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+Pool Would Let New Yorkers Go River Swimming
cylonlover writes "Three young entrepreneurs have proposed a way of getting New Yorkers into the Hudson, East and/or Bronx Rivers. It's called the +Pool (Plus Pool) — a public swimming pool that would float in the river, allowing people to swim in filtered river water. River water would flow into the pool through permeable walls, which would be composed of three layers filtering out the river nasties."
I don't want some New Yorker peeing in my pool.
...to filter out the New Yorkers.
Still too nasty for me.
The rivers smell so bad, I'd think the biggest problem would be convincing people to get near them, let alone in them. I think they'd have to be enclosed.
Unmentioned in the article is that one also needs the conventional cleaning system to clean the water from (speaking carefully now) pollutants generated internally, too.
What happens in winter?
as opposed to the normal everyday minus pool
They're called "ocean swimming pools", and have been around for over a hundred years now. Help yourself to a google image search and enjoy the beautiful images.
Sure, filtering for parasites, and particulate waste is fine, but what about chemicals?
What was all that business about New York water showing unnatural traces of caffeine and acetaminophen?
The cost of insurance for a venture such as this would be outrageous!
They could use these magical three layers to filter farther upstream where likely several inconsiderate companies are flushing nasties into the river and make those companies pay for it. THEN people could swim in the river like they should be able to. Letting people put nasties into the river is the problem. Duh.
What about the massive increase in subluxation diagnoses that have occurred as the a result of increased number of chiropractors?
It has been proven that a single chiropractor can cause dozens of subluxation diagnoses!
How those Jersey Shore people get their orange "tans".
I eat only the real part of complex carbohydrates.
I thought US Airways already tried to do this with an old Airbus A-320 back in '09? It wasn't quite as popular back then because it was January and frigid,. . .
Damn, are trying to out kook APK? Good start, but you'll have to work harder.
http://www.chirowatch.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic_controversy_and_criticism
http://www.ukskeptics.com/chiropractic.php
Chiropractic was invented in 1895 by Canadian-born Daniel David Palmer; a medically unqualified layman. He had been a grocer before becoming a "magnetic healer" (transferring "healing energy" to patients by touching or waving hands over them) in Burlington, Iowa, USA.
LOL.
...and what exactly is the point? To separate the rich hedonists from a little more of their disposable income? I sure don't see those of us commoners being able to take "advantage" of such a ridiculous luxury.
Nice Slashvertisement.
Maintenance costs would kill this thing quickly, as would the passage of chemicals the filters failed to catch. Cleaning the inside of a pool sucks, but cleaning BOTH sides? Lovely.
"This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
In the narrow sense, this seems like a reasonably clever, if not entirely novel solution; but in the broader sense it leaves me skeptical.
If your river has sufficiently high levels of pathogenic viruses and bacteria that it isn't swimmable, you should seriously consider pretending to be a first-world country for 15 minutes and check out this cool "sanitation systems, so you don't have to drink and swim in your own shit!" fad that all the cool civil engineers have been nattering on about since, oh, the Roman Empire or so...
If your river has sufficiently high levels of chemical nasties and heavy metals that it isn't swimmable, trusting a pool filter to remove them probably isn't the best idea, and maybe you should be doing something about the 'chemical plants upstream of major population centers' problem. Isn't that stuff supposed to be in New Jersey, anyway?
If your swimmers just can't handle the terror of a little silt or the normal flora of a watershed ecosystem, maybe they need a psych referral, not a pool filter.
Chiropractic practitioners are glorified scam artists. Please do us all a favor and stop using posting your lies on every article, as there is no proof that anything you have claimed on here was even partially accurate. Chiropractors cannot help with cancer, this is a known fact. Chiropractors cannot fix chemical related illnesses, this is also a known fact.
Your entire field of study was created by a man with no medical knowledge who was attempting to make himself rich while pedaling voodooesque techniques, and anyone who buys into them has one critical problem above all else. They are damned retarded.
Chiropractor diagnosed illnesses are one thing above all else, a lie.
Swimming pools are a toxic soup of deadly chemicals like Chlorine, Bromine, Cyanuric Acid, Sodium Bisulphate and Sodium Carbonate.
Straight from Wikipedia:
Sodium carbonate is a food additive (E500) used as an acidity regulator, anti-caking agent, raising agent and stabilizer. It is one of the components of kansui, a solution of alkaline salts used to give ramen noodles their characteristic flavor and texture.[5][6] Sodium carbonate is also used in the production of sherbet powder. The cooling and fizzing sensation results from the endothermic reaction between sodium carbonate and a weak acid, commonly citric acid, releasing carbon dioxide gas, which occurs when the sherbet is moistened by saliva.
You know what? I'm not even going to bother looking up the rest of those chemical compounds.
If the worst effect of a toxine is a subluxation..... well .... isn't "toxic" a bit misleading??
"OMG he just ate arsenic - get a chiropractor - QUICK! !!"
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Dr. Bob, I fear it is attitudes and chiropractors that have these kinds of "theories" that give chiropractic medicine a bad name. If you can point to journals or actual scientific studies which support these theories then I would be less inclined to dismiss. My brother is a chiropractor and so I am very familiar with what they can and can't do for you and how they can really help you. Health education and all is great and a part of it, but baseless statements with no documentation is not a way to promote the benefits of chiropractic medicine.
Vaccines are a necessary item to cause herd immunity to diseases. We stop using them and things like small pox and polio and that sort return. It's your kind that is killing people and creating super diseases and you should be put on trial as the accomplice to murder that you are.
There was another man people called great spouting nonsensical gibberish too. They made a religion from his books called Scientology. That doesn't mean he still wasn't a crackpot though (hint: they both were)
Ah, APK!
He was good for epic lulz before "lulz" was even coined as a term.
I've been seeing this same copy and image set for nearly two years now, here and there online. Will this just keep getting rehashed until it gets the funding/approvals that it needs?
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I still prefer the HOSTS file guy.
If the pool IS the filter, how would you go about cleaning/changing the filters so they filter properly? Change the entire pool out? I can't think of any other way to do it. It's just like my reverse-osmosis water system. The filters clog, and need replacing or cleaning. There's no way to do that here.
Bite my shiny metal ass!
It's a "toe-may-toe" "toe-mah-toe" thing:
Isn't that reflexology? Or am I thinking about retifism?
The "East River" is what people outside of New York City like to call the Atlantic Ocean.
You can already go swimming in it, but as I understand it the idea here is to let you swim in the ocean without worrying about jellyfish, the tide pulling you out to sea, or the occasional shark frightening you.
You can also go swimming in the Hudson which is an actual river. There it is best to stay within the designated swimming areas mostly because it's relatively easy to get washed out to sea.
Do you have any peer reviewed sources that have actually withstood real scientific scrutiny? NaturalNews is far from a credible source, and Journal of Vertebral subluxation research is obviously a biased source. As for the Dr, well this disclaimer kind of sums it up at the bottom of his page * These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease. If you are pregnant, nursing, taking medication, or have a medical condition, consult your physician before using this product.
Yeah yeah, it's a radical idea. But maybe if you didn't dump so much crap in the the East River, it wouldn't be hazardous to swim in.
The world is made by those who show up for the job.
Give it a rest, Tom/Barbie. Only you care about the HOSTS file guy.
I still prefer the HOSTS file guy.
isnt APK the HOSTS file guy?
Or are you saying you like the name "HOSTS file guy" better?
Your insinuation that Chlorine is a carcinogin is not supported by science or even anecdotal experience.
The main problem with swimming pools & chlorine causing irritation is ironically caused by *not enough* chlorine, since the the chlorine combines with septic materials to form chloramines. which are highly irritating to people. Look it up on Wikipedia, its basically forms of ammonia.
In fact, most swimming pools would benefit from significantly higher levels of chlorine. It would be safer and cleaner.
Chlorine gets a bad rap from people who generally don't know what they're talking about, or have something expensive to sell you.
And yes, I have decades of pool experience.
Yes, yes. Just like oncologists have "massively increase[d]" cancer diagnoses. I go to a chiropractor for certain injuries where experience tells me that I will get back to life-as-normal much faster with adjustments from the chiropractor than going to a normal doctor (whom I'm unlikely to get in to see within a week anyway) or just managing it on my own. That doesn't mean I believe half their crap, and I've never had any chiropractor use the term "subluxation" on me (I'd probably find a new chiropractor after that). All that said, that fact that a group of professionals (let's use the term loosely, for the sake of argument) arises and a corresponding rise in diagnoses made by said professionals occurs does not mean that they're snake-oil salesmen. It's entirely reasonable to deduce that these issues were on-going prior to chiropractic and we now have people trained to diagnose and treat them. Of course, the fact that it's reasonable and plausible doesn't make it true, either. My point is that correlation != causation, and you're making the same ascientific blunder that the rest of society does which is so derided on slashdot, but because it's against chiropractic, it's acceptable for some uninformed reason.
(This is not a slight against the GP - their rant is entirely parody, making fun of the chiropractic claims, and thus is actually making a similar claim against chiropractic that I'm making against the parent, but doing so through parody instead of directly.)
Yeah, not everyone knows who APK is but everyone who saw the epic post knows that HOSTS file guy means.
The picture shows the view of Manhattan from Hoboken, NJ. Those aren't New Yorkers in the picture. Those are the Jerseyites that we so love to make fun of!
Not to mentioned countless excellent Chiropractic videos on YouTube. Some have dozens of thumbs up from other Chiros: peer review in action.
That's all it takes to establish truth?
So, what you're saying is, because a bunch of teenagers have fart pipes and giant wings on their hand-me-down civic, and other teenagers give their youtube videos thumbs up, we ALL need to have 3-level wings and coffee can exhaust?
Shit man, your wisdom is boundless!
Wait, does your chiropractic office sell wings and fart pipes? I just want to make sure you're not trying to mislead me here with biased conflict-of-interest.
"Chiropractor-diagnosed illness in which the subluxation contained extraordinarily high levels of Chlorine"
This statement is so full of win I don't know where to start. so now subluxations are like sponges. got it. but manipulating the sponge will squeeze out the chlorine? will we see a mop bucket style squeezer at the next chiro-conference?
Chiro's can help with musculoskeletal problems in very similar fashion to physical therapy. everything else is snake oil.
A steaming liter bowl of radioactivity sound delicious right now!! Then I can subluxate all over the place. Then my chiropractor will touch my radioactive subluxations and he will subluxate everywhere. Soon the entire world will be a steaming pile of subluxations all because of my liter of warm zesty radioactivity. BWAHAHAHAHA
Seems like that would be an even better idea. But what do I know?
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I think someone missed the point. Methinks it should be modded +5, Funny
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Actually, Dr Bob makes these posts all the time, I doubt he's a parody.
I was making a joke though, woosh!
...it filters out hypodermic needles?
On a more serious note, last time I docked my boat at a marina in NYC (on my way to the long island sound), not only was the water disgustingly dirty, but the smell was overbearing. The rest of my family stayed in a hotel the rest of the night while I roughed it out on the boat to keep an eye on things. In the morning, a garbage truck showed up to empty some of the large garbage bins out. When they lifted it up with the truck, the liquid sludge in the bottom of the bin started to leak out the bottom. They then drove it over to the edge, and let it empty into the river. I have never smelled a worse smell in my entire life.
I love NYC and NY in general. But swimming in the water down there? No thanks.
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Coming from a pool owner: most of those chemicals are all actually legit in the maintenance of a pool.
- Chlorine kills algae
- Bromine is used mostly in hot tubs and spas I think, I've never used it in our pool but see it for sale at the pool/spa/hot tub supplier.
- Cyanuric Acid is stabilizer for the chlorine. It helps prevent sunlight from neutralizing the chlorine. "Stabilized Chlorine" has the acid included in the granules or pucks.
- Sodium Bisulphate is an acid used to bring down high pH levels. Commonly called "pH down" by the manufacturers.
- Sodium Carbonate raised pH levels. Commonly called "pH up" by the manufactureres.
That all said, I don't recall reading about dangerous subluxations on the MSDS...
Trolling is a art,
The earliest story was about the desgin idea ......the recent news is that they are in stage three ie material & prototype testing and have a kickstarter campaign running until July 15th.
Stage two funding was self funded by a few groups with the in-house expertise.
So given the timeline I think they are advancing this project at a decent pace and that an update on the project is warranted.
You shouldn't be bothered. You've been trolled.
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New Yorkers in general have dirty mouths. How are they planning to clean ~that water? Ok, I'm kidding. Hey, don't make me do this.. Fuhgettaboutit!
Coming from a pool owner: most of those chemicals are all actually legit in the maintenance of a pool.
No doubt. I was just pointing out that not only are they not hazardous to humans in levels found in swimming pools, but the last one at least is so non-hazardous (ok, nothing is 100% non-hazardous) that it's added to our food - it's basically about as hazardous as baking soda.
(And if ramen noodles have a toxic, deadly chemical in them, I'm in a heap of trouble. Though some would claim that MSG is pretty bad, so it's not like I eat them all the time.)
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Maybe this is a dumb question, but what about something like the pool plus, except not in the river? I mean the swimming pool is an old idea, what the point of putting it in a river? Why not put it next to the river, treat the water river water with chlorine, put it in the pool, and dump the old water back into the river or just down the sewer?
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KRAMER: Well my swimming pool problems are solved. I just found myself miles and miles of open lanes.
JERRY: What is that smell?
KRAMER: That's East River.
JERRY: You're swimming in the East River? The most heavily trafficked overly contaminated waterway on the eastern seaboard?
KRAMER: Technically Norfolk has more gross tonnage.
JERRY: How could you swim in that water?
KRAMER: I saw a couple of other guys out there.
JERRY: Swimming?
KRAMER: Floating, they weren't moving much. But they were out there.
A pool in the hudson would be filled with a lot of dihydrogen monoxide. This might be the main hazard people will be exposed to.
Dihydrogen monoxide:
is called "hydroxyl acid", the substance is the major component of acid rain.
contributes to the "greenhouse effect".
may cause severe burns.
is fatal if inhaled.
contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape.
accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.
may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes.
has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.
Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:
as an industrial solvent and coolant.
in nuclear power plants.
in the production of Styrofoam.
as a fire retardant.
in many forms of cruel animal research.
in the distribution of pesticides. Even after washing, produce remains contaminated by this chemical.
as an additive in certain "junk-foods" and other food products.
PS.. mod as funny ;)
Ok, maybe I could believe in this if they could produce a picture of a subluxation. X-Ray, MRI, even a photograph. They can't do it.
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Recently, they had a chiropractor visit their hospital to give a presentation on how all of this is libel, perpetrated by the enemies of the chiropractic profession. The presentation was cut short by a heated argument between the presenter and one of the neurology chiefs: they could not agree on the main point of the presentation.
So while the correlation between doctors and diseases is rather famous, if chiropractor visits correlate with subsequent neurological issues, it is a little worrying.
Parody? Perhaps. Troll? Definitely. But, by Cthulhu's Tentacles, he is a damn fine one. Just look how many people swallow his bait hook, line and sinker in every single story. Getting his same pitch in on topic in lots of threads, mostly making FP and not even bragging about it. Dr Bob walks tall amongst trolls. He is a paragon of trolldom and a shining example for the young generation. I salute him.
Ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
I know he's a troll. Sometimes it's just amusing to pretend he's serious and take pot shots at the ridiculous crap he posts, though.
And to be honest I'm not entirely convinced that he doesn't really believe the stuff he posts.
Or they could just swim in the river like normal people. People swim in the hudson all the time, and it is a busy river for recreational boating. Absolutely nothing wrong with that water. City folk and other yuppie snobs like those who can afford or would want to live in the city see anything but clear water as dirty. News flash: Most rivers are murky and do not have great clarity, especially tidal rivers that are dredged for big shipping traffic.
It would never work. You can take the river water out of New York, but you just can't get the New York out of the river.
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...one of the most sad an pathetic stories I've read this week. The idea is genius, but the need for it is an indictment.
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I find the idea moderately interesting. But, the article says that the water would be filtered by the permeable membrains. I don't know if the laws are different in NY, but here in FL, any non-residential swimming pool has to have a pump and filter running 24x7, so I'm guessing this is also true here. The membranes keep the big junk out and the traditional pumps and filters keep the water somewhat clean.
If this actually came about, it would probably be a fad that people found interesting for a year or so and then interest would probably die off. I'd be interested to know how many times the water is changed per hour/day/week, etc. If the membranes only change 10% of the water a day, I don't know that I'd want to swim in it. If they don't chlorinate the water and 20 people take a leak in it, I don't want to be swimming in there.
I was in New York a few years ago and the river water didn't seem all that bad.
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Would you drink a litre of radioactivity?
Radioactivity is energy. You cannot measure it in volume. You could say something like a liter of radioactive waste, but of course that doesn't tell you how much radioactivity is involved, as you could have a very small amount of radioactive material in a liter of otherwise uninteresting water.
You didn't actually study physics in college, did you?
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