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Linux Kernel 3.0 Released

Suchetha writes "In a posting on his Google+ page Linus Torvalds announced the launch of Linux kernel 3.0. This follows the kernel missing the planned release date of the 19th because of 'a subtle bug.'"

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  1. So what's new? by XanC · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:So what's new? by recharged95 · · Score: 1

      Yeah! XEN dom0 support

      Now only if my motherboard supported Vt-d this would be a game changer. A DX11 games in a Vbox game changer....

    2. Re:So what's new? by timeOday · · Score: 2

      Does this mean one could assign a PCI (express) slot with a graphics card to a virtual machine? If so it could become the easiest way to have a multi-seat box, which has always required some black magic until now.

    3. Re:So what's new? by MyFirstNameIsPaul · · Score: 1

      It's not about changes, it's about Google+.

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    4. Re:So what's new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see a marketing problem here. To most of humanity, XEN dom0 support has no connection whatsoever to playing games.

    5. Re:So what's new? by babai101 · · Score: 1

      Graphic cards are too complicated for that, its not possible yet.

    6. Re:So what's new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? I'm running Xen 4.1 on kernel 2.6.32 (from Debian Squeeze) with a Windows XP vm using the graphics card on the mainboard (Intel DQ67SW which supports vt-d). This was actually quite easy to setup.

      But I think having multiple vm's with each its own graphics card still requires black magic (on the Xen side, not so much in the kernel).

    7. Re:So what's new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've done it on QEMU-KVM :)

    8. Re:So what's new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You're wrong. It IS possible and it is very simple with xen 4.1 and Linux 3.0 as dom0.
      An early example here, with a previous kernel:
      Ubisoft Is Playing With Linux & Xen Virtualization

    9. Re:So what's new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it is, you can pass-through a GPU to a VM using Xen 4.0 or above: http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenVGAPassthrough

    10. Re:So what's new? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      I haven't heard such nonsense sence I did some consulting from the government.

      It's too hard and it can't be done?

      Just because it is complicated, it doesn't mean it cannot be done.

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    11. Re:So what's new? by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      You can actually get this to work with VMWare's free (as in beer) ESXi. I have played with it on laptops. You can assign the memory addresses of the graphics controller to one VM. I never solved the keyboard issue directly, had to plug in a USB keyboard. You also lose all access to the console itself, (not that you need any once things are setup).

      Naturally there is no way to toggle between VMs either so you will have to use the management tools from the machine you have the video assigned to create additional VMs and then interact with them over the virtual network.

      I wan't to try this with Zen now that it has dom0 support. It would be slick as hell to have physical access to one VM while having as many more instances of machines I as I like.

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    12. Re:So what's new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How does this differ from the Xen shipped with RHEL 5? Is it basically the same stuff, only a true part of the kernel now as opposed to something RH (or anyone else using Xen) had to patch in?

    13. Re:So what's new? by elashish14 · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, I think you just have to take the PCI Express port and reroute its DIMM slot through the motherboard's PSU with a flux capacitor to achieve thermonuclear fusion for optimal performance

      Also, it can create GUI interfaces in Visual Basic.

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    14. Re:So what's new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it too hard to spell "since" correctly?

    15. Re:So what's new? by zach_the_lizard · · Score: 1

      But can it track IP addresses with that GUI interface in Visual Basic? That's the real question.

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    16. Re:So what's new? by GooberToo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And in yet more exciting Linux 3.0 news, the RT tree has been rewritten, allowing them to finally move forward of the 2.6.33 kernel. The re-write better leverages SMP (per traditional kernel implementation), is dramatically smaller, easier to read and maintain, and leverages more stock kernel facilities rather than poorly implementing its own.

    17. Re:So what's new? by janimal · · Score: 1

      This reads like a commit log, not a list of great new features.

    18. Re:So what's new? by ulzeraj · · Score: 1

      From http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenVGAPassthrough

      Xen 4.0.0 is the first version to support VGA graphics adapter passthrough to Xen HVM (fully virtualized) guests. This means you can give HVM guest full and direct control of the graphics adapter, making it possible to have high performance full 3D and video acceleration in a virtual machine.

    19. Re:So what's new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure if troll or stupid.

    20. Re:So what's new? by recharged95 · · Score: 1

      Yes, that's what dom0 was suppose to solve. BUT it's to the MB vendor. Intel Vt-d is supported on the CPU, Bios and now in S/W, but the chipsets selected by the MB vendors need to support it--99% of the times they don't.

    21. Re:So what's new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never understood the dom0 meme, pr0n I understand but that would mean Do0m for XEN and that is wrong.

    22. Re:So what's new? by ckaminski · · Score: 1

      Strange - every PC I've gotten that's VT aware in the past two years supports VT-d. And I buy budget boards ($80-130).

    23. Re:So what's new? by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Welcome to documentation for Linux.

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    24. Re:So what's new? by monkyyy · · Score: 0

      IT CANT BE DONE

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  2. Google+? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, what's so special about Google+ that he preferred it over Twitter?

    1. Re:Google+? by Virtual_Raider · · Score: 3, Informative

      No Anonymous Cowards, for starters :) But on a more serious note, you can follow and be followed exactly like twitter except that you can publish a full-fledged post rather than a 140 char headline or note pointing to the actual post elsewhere. In this particular scenario, cuts a layer of middlemen.

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    2. Re:Google+? by Noughmad · · Score: 3, Funny

      In this particular scenario, the post was:

      3.0 pushed out.

      I think this would fitt even into Shatner's version of Twitter.

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    3. Re:Google+? by F.Ultra · · Score: 2

      And that of course implies that he will never (or has before) write longer messages...

    4. Re:Google+? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That he works there? :-)

    5. Re:Google+? by UnresolvedExternal · · Score: 1

      Arrgh - well Google+ is blocked by my companies web filter so I can't judge myself until I go home... I presume there are plenty of others in the same boat.

      It could get irritating if Google+ is adopted by others in this way.

    6. Re:Google+? by TyFoN · · Score: 1

      Luckily the IT staff here are not bright enough to pick up g+, but facebook and others are blocked so I suspect it's only a matter of time. That is what you have unblocked internet on the cell phone for :)

    7. Re:Google+? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think you mean "it could get irritating for people working at worthless companies". Don't blame others for your poor choice of employer.

    8. Re:Google+? by UnresolvedExternal · · Score: 1

      Indeed, however, poking at your phone is a bit harder to disguise as real work... ;)

      It does raise a valid (ever so slightly offtopic) point though, a company/person making their Google+ page their main portal will exclude a percentage of their audience for ~8 hours a day.

      Even if this isn't goofing off time (which I am sure we are all innocent of), it can be eating lunch at your desk or whatever. I keep my mayo fingers off my phone

      Yes, which does mean I get mayo on my mouse... and keyboard...

    9. Re:Google+? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you're getting "mayo" on your mouse and keyboard, you need to adjust your aim.

    10. Re:Google+? by GooberToo · · Score: 1

      you can follow and be followed exactly like twitter except that you can publish a full-fledged post rather than a 140 char headline

      You mean unlike twitter, Google+ might actually be useful. Niiiicceeeee....

    11. Re:Google+? by IpalindromeI · · Score: 1
      If you've got an Android phone, you can do the following:
      1. Install the Android Debug Bridge on your computer. http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/tools/adb.html
      2. Turn on USB debugging on your phone, and connect it to your computer.
      3. Install Tetherbot http://graha.ms/androidproxy/ on your phone, and start the Socks Proxy Server.
      4. Setup ADB to open a port on your computer that forwards to the port on your phone where the proxy server is listening: "adb forward tcp:5555 tcp:1080"
      5. Set your browser to use localhost:5555 as a proxy server.

      Now all your web browsing goes through your phone. If you run Firefox, you can get FoxyProxy to set up URL-based rules for which addresses go through your phone-proxy and which go through your regular company network connection. And no mayo gets on your phone.

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    12. Re:Google+? by UnresolvedExternal · · Score: 1

      OOOOoooooo this sounds good! Will try it out, many thanks!

    13. Re:Google+? by cwebster · · Score: 1

      It does raise a valid (ever so slightly offtopic) point though, a company/person making their Google+ page their main portal will exclude a percentage of their audience for ~8 hours a day.

      It is understood that humans require sleep.

    14. Re:Google+? by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

      convoluted. install the pc suite that came with your phone, click connect. works like that for me (sony x10 mini and nokia e71).

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    15. Re:Google+? by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

      Brevity is the soul of wit. Twitter is fantastic in that regard. Traditionally, some random asshole would express his opinion in the form of a blog, which nobody reads. Now, that same asshole can condense his snark into a single line, which nobody reads.

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    16. Re:Google+? by GooberToo · · Score: 1

      Brevity is the soul of wit.

      So you're very clearly saying two things. First of all, my post was witty and funny. Second of all, twitter is only good for telling extremely short, witty jokes. I don't disagree. Beyond that, twitter is largely useless.

    17. Re:Google+? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that would only work for Windows, you savage.

    18. Re:Google+? by DaVince21 · · Score: 1

      It implies that the reason offered makes no sense on this particular story... Had he worded it differently and shown the reason holds by showing older posts with more content, his reason given would have gotten so much less disputable.

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  3. And here comes.... by silveride · · Score: 1

    And here comes the 30th centuary!

    1. Re:And here comes.... by mjwx · · Score: 2

      And here comes the 30th centuary!

      Century...

      I'll just download the source on my 9 G phone running Android 50.0.

      I suppose it goes without saying that this post goes to 11.

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    2. Re:And here comes.... by Thantik · · Score: 2

      Hey, at least it's Android 50.0 and not Android 360.

    3. Re:And here comes.... by Jawnn · · Score: 1

      Hey, at least it's Android 50.0 and not Android 360.

      Right. That Version 360 would be for Firefox.

  4. Welcome Linux 3.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Juhu!! A new milestone begins!

  5. Compensation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So how much (if) Google is paying Mr. Torvalds to tweet (erm, microblog) about the release? (Maybe we could call G+ tweeting "G-t"-ing).

    1. Re:Compensation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut the fuck up, Donny.

  6. Feels the same as the last ones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Linux 3.0 feels a lot like Linux 3.0-rc7-git10. It really does! I installed the new Nvidia driver (also out today) and so am running both as I type this. Why do I get the feeling that I had an easier time building a new kernel and installing new video drivers than most Mac users have had installing MacOS Lion?

    1. Re:Feels the same as the last ones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because you live in your very own reality distortion field powered by ignorance.

    2. Re:Feels the same as the last ones by fadir · · Score: 1

      Maybe because there is a huge difference between a kernel and an operating system?
      Additionally the step from the latest release candidate to the release is so minor that it can barely count as a kernel update on its own.

      Compare an update from CentOS 5 to CentOS 6 with the update of Snow Leopard to Lion, or Windows Vista to Windows 7 if you like.

    3. Re:Feels the same as the last ones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      don't be an asshat.

    4. Re:Feels the same as the last ones by w0mprat · · Score: 1

      I had a easier time than you. I just installed some .deb packages. Yeah a lot easier than Lion, haven't managed that yet.

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    5. Re:Feels the same as the last ones by Island+Admin · · Score: 1

      As we say in Skype: (finger) (mooning) (rofl)

    6. Re:Feels the same as the last ones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do I get the feeling that I had an easier time building a new kernel and installing new video drivers than most Mac users have had installing MacOS Lion?

      I'm guessing because you didn't install Lion, and you are predisposed to believing your own fantasies about Linux's superiority.

    7. Re:Feels the same as the last ones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope that was sarcastic, otherwise Linux users live in a fantasy world.

    8. Re:Feels the same as the last ones by JohnnyBGod · · Score: 1

      Can't speak for CentOS, but an Ubuntu update is certainly easier than those.

    9. Re:Feels the same as the last ones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...as long as it works. Try to resolve the mess you're in after upgrade that has failed due to lack of disk space, for instance.

    10. Re:Feels the same as the last ones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because many people use Linux without equating it to some damned fool idealistic crusade.

    11. Re:Feels the same as the last ones by fadir · · Score: 1

      Maybe you didn't have any problems - neither did I when upgrading from Snow Leopard to Lion.

      There are certainly reports of people having problems on Ubuntu upgrades as well. Considering that more than 1 mio. people grabbed Lion just yesterday I'd say the reports of problems that show up account for only a very small percentage and lots of them are just minor issues, not real problems in the meaning "upgrade failed". In fact the worst I have seen are a few reports that people couldn't upgrade (usually because of some Bootcamp problems) - but that left them with a perfectly fine Snow Leopard system.

      So saying that Lion is troublesome to install is greatly exaggerated.

    12. Re:Feels the same as the last ones by Alex+Belits · · Score: 0

      gb2/b/

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    13. Re:Feels the same as the last ones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because it is free and runs on cheaper equally powerful hardware that isn't encumbered by a branding premium while allowing for a large selection of both open and/or proprietary software that the user is perfectly free to choose between themselves.

      the parent you responded to is obviously pointing out the fact that you can use Linux without being a fool crusader.

      Grow up a lil there, zealotroll.

    14. Re:Feels the same as the last ones by kikito · · Score: 1

      "In fact" I know at least one person whose mac book pro doesn't boot after the update to Lion (well it does, but on an endless "updating" loop)

    15. Re:Feels the same as the last ones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Definitely the last ones.

    16. Re:Feels the same as the last ones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because we pick an OS based on what it can do, not who its "for".

    17. Re:Feels the same as the last ones by Sinthet · · Score: 1

      This actually happened to me pretty recently. Maybe I was lucky, but almost nothing bad happened. X was partly broken, and the CUPS config file was zero'd out (No idea how this happened :/). Sudo apt-get install -f, after deleting some useless crap from the terminal fixed everything except for cups, which took me another 5 seconds to type mv ./config.default ./config.

    18. Re:Feels the same as the last ones by ArcherB · · Score: 1

      So if you're just going to use closed source software anyways (Nvidia drivers) then what's the point of using Linux? Why not just get your money up and buy a UNIX workstation that doesn't suck.

      Because nVidia didn't need permission to write the drivers and I don't have to install them. There are also open source drivers for most nVidia cards out there that I can use instead or I can just use the standard 2D drivers that work fine as long as you don't hope to do OpenGL. Then again, why would you have an nVidia card if you don't plan on doing 3D?

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    19. Re:Feels the same as the last ones by ArcherB · · Score: 1

      "In fact" I know at least one person whose mac book pro doesn't boot after the update to Lion (well it does, but on an endless "updating" loop)

      That's an easy fix. It is so easy in fact, it shows the power of Apple computers.

      Here are the steps you take:
      1) Power the system off
      2) Press and hold to power button to turn the machine on. Keep holding this down. If you release this button, the system will boot normally, so keep holding it down.
      3) As soon as the Apple logo appears, press the command-control-shift-alt-C, F1, F12, and ESC keys at the same time and hold them down.
      4) Right before you hear the Apple opening chord sound, place your Lion CD into the drive. It has to be within 1.5 seconds before the sound or it won't work. ...
      Wait, what? You don't have the CD?

      OK, do this:
      1) Get your OS9 CD from your old B&W Mac. ...

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    20. Re:Feels the same as the last ones by JohnnyBGod · · Score: 1

      I wasn't saying it was troublesome, just that I didn't think it would be easier than just clicking on an "Update" button and waiting.

    21. Re:Feels the same as the last ones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also base my OS decisions on what it can do... not what it costs, but I suppose for less successful people Linux is a decent entry level UNIX environment.

    22. Re:Feels the same as the last ones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... or Snow Leopard from the same machine you're using...
      and use CMD-OPT-SHIFT-DELETE

      But I know you're just attempting to be an ass.

    23. Re:Feels the same as the last ones by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Linux 3.0 feels a lot like Linux 3.0-rc7-git10.

      That would be the definition of a Release Candidate, yeah.

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    24. Re:Feels the same as the last ones by ArcherB · · Score: 2

      ... or Snow Leopard from the same machine you're using...
      and use CMD-OPT-SHIFT-DELETE

      But I know you're just attempting to be an ass.

      Actually, I thought I was quite successful at being an ass.

      Truth be told, I love Macs. I really wish I could have one. Unfortunately, money is tight. When I'm looking at getting a new computer, my options are to build my own, top of the line machine with quality components for $500 (drives, case, video card, monitor, keyboards and mouse usually get reused, add about $300 to replace those), or I can buy a mid-range Mac with much lower specs that I can't upgrade for $799. This is Apple store price as of right now for a Mac Mini with a 2.5GHz dual-core Intel Core i5, 4GB memory, a 500GB hard drive, and an AMD Radeon HD 6630M (no monitor, keyboard, or mouse). An iMac *STARTS* at $1199 and a Mac Pro *STARTS* at $2499, both with lower or similar specs to the Mac Mini.

      Think I'll stick with building my own. I guess now I'm an ass that just proved that Apple products are over priced. How ya like them Apples?!

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    25. Re:Feels the same as the last ones by DaVince21 · · Score: 1

      It sounds like they're making installing MacOS Lion more difficult than it needs to be...

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    26. Re:Feels the same as the last ones by armanox · · Score: 1

      Visit flea markets and computer shows. I bought my Macbook Pro for $200 at Hamfest (given, I bought a Core Duo one, so no Lion for me, but if I had gotten there sooner...oh well).

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    27. Re:Feels the same as the last ones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you suggesting that the mental residence of every Linux user in the entire world is determined by the sarcasm or otherwise of one single Anonymous Coward post on Slashdot?

  7. It had to be said... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But does it run Linux?

  8. well, the fact that 'defragment' has returned by decora · · Score: 0

    imho is far worse than goatse

    1. Re:well, the fact that 'defragment' has returned by Riceballsan · · Score: 1

      Has returned if you chose to use btrfs with COW. As far as I know no distrobution is even considering btrfs as a default.

    2. Re:well, the fact that 'defragment' has returned by iarnell · · Score: 2

      Fedora's considering btrfs.

  9. Re:what happened to open source by Vecanti · · Score: 1

    From 3.0 on they will be now be referred to as "Subtle Features".

  10. Video drivers? by ecotax · · Score: 0

    That's games like Carmageddon, right?
    Most Mac users don't use video drivers.
    Or at least none that they are aware of.

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  11. Re:(odd).x.x by OnB · · Score: 1

    you guys can share bunk beds

  12. Finally!! by Vecanti · · Score: 0

    2011 will be the year of Linux on the desktop!

    1. Re:Finally!! by dlgeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, lets see, 2010 was the year of Linux on the cellphone (android, webos, maemo), a year of Linux on the tv (boxee box, google tv, all the embedded TV experiences), yet another year of Linux on the server, yet another year of Linux for embedded devices...

      Really, the desktop's all that's left for 2011.

    2. Re:Finally!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > a year of Linux on the tv (boxee box, google tv, all the embedded TV experiences)

      Could be TVs are running Linux underneath now, in which case, another embedded win. As for the other two, let's stick with hardware people actually buy. Google will drop their hardware experiment, and boxee will be gone within two years, I guarantee it.

    3. Re:Finally!! by cyclomedia · · Score: 1

      I've been predicting for a while now that when Linux finally arrives on the desktop no home users will have desktops. Already the recycling sites and web sites and streets around where I live are filling up with unwanted computer desks while everyone migrates to PS3s, iPhones or laptops...

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    4. Re:Finally!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Laptops? Seriously? That's so 2005.

      I mean, on one hand laptop doesn't replace a desktop if you absolutely need ergonomic keyboard, vacom and 48 inches of screen estate and on the other phones and tablets are eating the more casual market very quickly. Just about the only reason to have a laptop few years from now is that you're behind your times and need to carry your documents&software around in a physical form.

    5. Re:Finally!! by ThorGod · · Score: 1

      There will always be a segment using desktops for, you know, work. Those professional machines might look a little different than now, but they wont be situated in front of a 50" LCD and couch or in a lap (usually).

      I've found linux and freebsd more than competent for work, and I'm not alone.

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    6. Re:Finally!! by Kjella · · Score: 1

      I've been predicting for a while now that when Linux finally arrives on the desktop no home users will have desktops. Already the recycling sites and web sites and streets around where I live are filling up with unwanted computer desks while everyone migrates to PS3s, iPhones or laptops...

      Well, you're not getting many psychic points for predicting the move from desktop to laptops, that trend has been going on for years and laptop sales overtook desktops in Q3 2008. But laptops are in every way the traditional "desktop" with desktop software, except with portable hardware. So either you're predicting something that's not very spectacular, indeed has pretty much already happened and wouldn't reduce the potential market anyway, or you're predicting the death of the "desktop" as such and people migrating to PS3s, iPhones and other devices which I find that very hard to believe. The laptop is very much alive and kicking, even if the desktop is relegated to a niche - yet a much bigger niche still than say "Macs" is, just for comparison.

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    7. Re:Finally!! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      That desktop is on its way out, too. When smartphones with Mini-HDMI output proliferate then many people will have lost their last reason to have a real computer.

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    8. Re:Finally!! by ArcherB · · Score: 1

      > a year of Linux on the tv (boxee box, google tv, all the embedded TV experiences)

      Could be TVs are running Linux underneath now, in which case, another embedded win. As for the other two, let's stick with hardware people actually buy. Google will drop their hardware experiment, and boxee will be gone within two years, I guarantee it.

      Tivo runs Linux. As does the DVR that came from DishNetwork. I believe many of the others run Linux as well, but I only have one TV provider.

      Oh, and GoogeTV is being embedded in many TV's and is an option on several DVR's provided by Cable/TV providers.

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    9. Re:Finally!! by ArcherB · · Score: 1

      That desktop is on its way out, too. When smartphones with Mini-HDMI output proliferate then many people will have lost their last reason to have a real computer.

      You're close.

      Keyboard and mouse. That's my main reason for continuing to use a computer.

      I predict universal docking stations for phones soon. Everywhere you go, you have your "computer" with you. When you get to the office or house, you simply drop your phone into the dock (or not if wireless) and you are doing your work/play on your 24" LCD with full keyboard and mouse.

      You'll take your PC with you, everywhere you go.

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    10. Re:Finally!! by cyclomedia · · Score: 1

      Thanks for your reply, i refer you to my original comment (emphasis added)

      "when Linux finally arrives on the desktop no home users will have desktops"

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    11. Re:Finally!! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Keyboard and mouse. That's my main reason for continuing to use a computer.

      Is there a phone with Mini-HDMI output without Bluetooth?

      I predict universal docking stations for phones soon.

      Well, they are now standardizing a connector, so it's not actually impossible; but it is unnecessary, so long as you have wireless input devices.

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    12. Re:Finally!! by npsimons · · Score: 1

      When smartphones with Mini-HDMI output proliferate then many people will have lost their last reason to have a real computer.

      'When' HDMI proliferates on smartphones? At least a year ago, I saw a smartphone with HDMI on someone I'm pretty sure wasn't the most technical user; my two year old phone *came* with a component out cable. More and more, it's looking like the way to go is to get a portable bluetooth keyboard and mouse, HDMI cable, and just plug in your phone with 64GB+ of storage to the nearest HDMI display. No more laptop or tablet computer needed.

    13. Re:Finally!! by ThorGod · · Score: 1

      I hear you, I just can't imagine ever actually being one of those homes ;)

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  13. It's the same thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too bad the biggest change in linux 3.0 is the fact that it's called linux 3.0

    1. Re:It's the same thing by Elbereth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's not entirely true. If you compare 2.6.0 to 3.0, there's a crapload of changes. However, if you're comparing 2.6.39 to 3.0, it's true that there aren't any big changes. The main reason is because there was no experimental 2.7 branch. If 2.6 had progressed to around 2.6.5 or so, then received nothing but occasional bug fixes, I'd think we'd be amazed by all the new features. Linux development has changed quite a lot since the early days, when the stable kernel branch was considered delicate and protected from any major changes. Now that we've changed the way that Linux is developed (old way: even numbered minor versions are stable, odd numbered minor versions are experimental; new way: new features are continually added to the kernel, rather than going to the experimental branch), added in crazy amounts of features, and it's getting to be a bigger pain to maintain, why not bump the major version?

      Was there a compelling reason to bump the major version number? It depends on your point of view, really. I agree with Linus on this matter. It was a good a time as any, plus it was warranted. I understand that some people are disappointed that 3.0 doesn't bring substantial changes from the very last 2.6 patch, but that's not how Linux is developed any more. Is the new way better? Who knows. It seems to be working out well, though.

    2. Re:It's the same thing by m50d · · Score: 1

      They ought to follow the apache versioning standards (major version for completely incompatible changes, minor for backwards- but not forwards-compatible changes, patch for bidirectional-compatible changes). Of course, given the kernel's attitude to compatibility that would probably lead to every release being a major version.

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  14. "3.0 Pushed Out" -- Linus by sstamps · · Score: 1

    I hope that is not an ill omen.... .

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    -SS "Teach the ignorant, care for the dumb, and punish the stupid."
    1. Re:"3.0 Pushed Out" -- Linus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux is a highly polished turd!

    2. Re:"3.0 Pushed Out" -- Linus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I pushed something out last night too. It wasn't a kernel, but had some kernels in it!

    3. Re:"3.0 Pushed Out" -- Linus by FurtiveGlancer · · Score: 1

      Midwives are always catching things that have been pushed out. They wash them up and hand them to Mommy.

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    4. Re:"3.0 Pushed Out" -- Linus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hint: git push

  15. 0 bugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now that they have found "the subtle bug" in Linux, I can sleep better knowing that 3.0 won't have bugs.

  16. Re:Bloat, bloat, bloat. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Time to switch to an OS that is quick.

    I still find the ZX81 OS has a very agreeable footprint and user experience.

  17. Re:Bloat, bloat, bloat. by sjames · · Score: 1

    Make menuconfig and be happy.

  18. Re:SORRY FACT IS MORE WINPHO USERS THAN LINUX USER by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 3, Informative

    It isn't. If you're counting operating systems on mobile platforms, Android beats all the other smartphone platforms.

    Operating system share, Q4 2010

    * Android : 33%
    * Symbian : 31%
    * iOS : 16%
    * Blackberry : 14%
    * Windows Mobile : 3%
    * Other : 3%

      The Android kernel is a fork of Linux.

  19. Re:MOD DOWN! Goatse redirect! by shentino · · Score: 0

    Mod down, frivolous warning about a goatse that isn't actually a goatse.

  20. Re:what happened to open source by Hognoxious · · Score: 1, Funny

    Is there nothing the open source community won't copy from Microsoft?

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  21. Re:SORRY FACT IS MORE WINPHO USERS THAN LINUX USER by Lanteran · · Score: 1

    Er- no. 2% usage on the desktop/laptop equates to around 20 million with about a billion desktops in the world if I recall correctly. There are not 20 million windows phone users.

    Obvious 4chan troll is obviously not suited to trolling /.

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    "People don't want to learn linux" hasn't been a valid excuse since '03.
  22. Can't wait for version 4.0 of Linux Kernel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... but I ain't gonna hold my breath, tho

    BTW, any idea what new features that will appear on version 4.0 of Linux?

  23. Re:With Microsoft being the biggest contributor to by bieber · · Score: 1

    Just to be certain, this was a joke, right?

  24. Re:what happened to open source by GrandTeddyBearOfDoom · · Score: 2

    Subtle means it has potentially serious effects but is hard to investigate in detail.  Subtle != !serious.

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  25. Re:With Microsoft being the biggest contributor to by bitflusher · · Score: 2

    why? Microsoft mostly worked on improving earlier microsoft hyper-v code, it was below standards and needed a lot of work to be of acceptable quality. you could also state you will be upgrading immideately so earlier bad microsoft code will be replaced by acceptable quality ASAP! whatever you prefer either bad or good code from microsoft on your machine.

  26. Re:Bloat, bloat, bloat. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    anshin anshin.

  27. No, it doesn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You JERK

  28. Re:With Microsoft being the biggest contributor to by Burz · · Score: 0

    Just to be certain, this was a joke, right?

    It's no joke.

  29. Listen to the kernel! by fcbs · · Score: 2

    Linux Radio is now broadcasting the Linux 3.0 kernel live! http://www.linux.fm/ Pay attention to the kernel, listen to its wisdom : it speaks the truth!

    1. Re:Listen to the kernel! by paulej72 · · Score: 1

      But is it running Linux 3.0?

  30. The REAL Announcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    Get the real announcement on LKML: http://lkml.org/lkml/2011/7/21/455

  31. Re:With Microsoft being the biggest contributor to by bcmm · · Score: 2

    They contributed code to a specific driver, used for running Linux under their own virtualisation solution. You won't even build that code unless you select that driver. It is the biggest single contribution to this release because this is the first release after they finally cleaned it up enough to get accepted in to the mainline kernel.

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    Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
  32. just 3.0 !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, Linux kernel is only on v3.0 !!,
    that is not half good as Windows
    and not even a third of MacOSX.

  33. Kerberised NFS4 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So if I mount /home nfs4 sec=krb5, will I be able to come back to the machine the next morning and not have it sitting there spinning a whole core irrecoverably moaning that the GSS session expired? NFS is supposed to just block when things go away...

    The last time this all worked properly was 2.6.32 seemingly (Debian stable).

  34. Weeks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What happened to the weeks of automated testing?

  35. Is that you, chicken little? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

    Actually it is a joke, and it is very funny; you just don't realize it. The changes made by M$ were very specific to one area of code related to VM support for Windows. The changes were specifically requested by the kernel developers to fix M$'s sloppy work. Also, all changes made were signed off in true Open Source fashion. There is no reason to worry that M$ has tainted anything.

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  36. Bandwidth Limit Exceeded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just went to www.linux.org and...

    Bandwidth Limit Exceeded
    The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to the site owner reaching his/her bandwidth limit. Please try again later.

  37. Re:With Microsoft being the biggest contributor to by zach_the_lizard · · Score: 1

    So it finally made it out of staging? That's great. Their previous drivers have been a little lacking; I've had them lock up on me. Is the enlightened mouse driver in there as well?

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  38. Re:With Microsoft being the biggest contributor to by zach_the_lizard · · Score: 1

    I for one will be testing 3.0 out to see how stable it is. We run Hyper-V in house (mostly a Windows shop, actually founded by ex-MSFTies) and we had to add some Linux images. It's probably not production quality, but I'd like to get a chance to test drive it to see what improvements we can expect down the line. Now they need to update their SCOM agent for Linux....

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    SSC
  39. Putting a 3 at the beginning by suso · · Score: 1

    For a while its going to be like when the year changes and you keep writing checks with the previous year by mistake. Probably 99% of Linux users have only used a 2.0 series kernel. Heck, Slashdot didn't even exist before the 2.0 kernel.

    1. Re:Putting a 3 at the beginning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup, it's crazy to think that this would happen. I cut my teeth on Slackware 3.2 (Linux 2.0.29). I think Linux 2 was a little over a year old by that point. We've been running Linux 2 for about 15 years.

    2. Re:Putting a 3 at the beginning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably 99% of Linux users have only used a 2.0 series kernel.

      And 98% have only used 2.6.x series.

    3. Re:Putting a 3 at the beginning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2.0 came out in 1996, that's 15 years ago...2.1 came out the same year ;)
        most of the current web wasn't thought of when it came out. Only a seasoned (or just older) Linux user would have been around when it was used.

      That being said, it's probably a *good* thing it's not remembered since the "growing pains" between 1.x & 2.0 were pretty bad.
      I remember it, and it was actually hard to move over to 2.0 for a while because of issues that cropped up. It was so bad in the beginning parts that I jokingly called 2.0 the pre-alpha development tree.

    4. Re:Putting a 3 at the beginning by X3J11 · · Score: 1

      I feel like such an old fart. My first recollections of messing with the Linux kernel are of answering endless lines of Y/N questions (no menuconfig), modules were still more or less experimental, and ELF hadn't quite replaced COFF. Early Slackware (which has consistently remained my distribution of choice for about 15 years) on a 486 DX2/66 with 16MB of RAM.

      Now get off my lawn you young whippersnappers!

    5. Re:Putting a 3 at the beginning by Spugglefink · · Score: 1

      Probably 99% of Linux users have only used a 2.0 series kernel.

      That's definitely true here. I've been around over a decade, and never used anything but a 2.0 series kernel. What I find really interesting, though, is the fact that I have no idea what kernel I'm running at this moment. I really haven't had to pay attention to the kernel in years. When I got started, I used to spend a lot of time diddling the compile options on the kernel and waiting for every new release with bated breath, hoping it would cure my woes. These days, meh, everything basically just works.

  40. Re:SORRY FACT IS MORE WINPHO USERS THAN LINUX USER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Desktop? Linux is 0.2%, as in less than one percent. 1/5th of 1 pct. Not to worry. 2012 is definitely the year. Mark my words. Again.

  41. Re:lol Linux 3.0 is a 0-beta release. NSFW. by FunkyELF · · Score: 1

    Is zero even or odd?

  42. Its actually just rc7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A follow up post said that it will have to be 3.0rc7, and that there will be at least another RC due to a couple bugs.

  43. by analogy by tverbeek · · Score: 2

    If this follows the pattern of Microsoft Windows, this means that Linux has finally reached the point of offering what Linux kernel 1.0 promised, and has become usable as a day-to-day operating system. When Linux kernel 3.1 comes out, it'll finally have the features it needs to become widely used, and application developers will start treating it as their primary business-critical platform, instead of just a necessary kludge for certain kinds of apps!

    Which may mean that version numbers don't really mean as much as some people think.

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    1. Re:by analogy by bobbomo · · Score: 1

      and 3.11 will support TCP/IP networking!

    2. Re:by analogy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And now we're stuck at Web 2.0.

      At least we have 4G . . .

    3. Re:by analogy by Dr.Dubious+DDQ · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Linux 3.11 for Workgroups" is going to be AWESOME!

    4. Re:by analogy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm waiting until they release Linux NT instead. That one should really rock!

    5. Re:by analogy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Finally we'll have a real network stack! Oh wait...

    6. Re:by analogy by nerdyalien · · Score: 1

      Linux ME gonna rock in 7 years time !!!!

    7. Re:by analogy by twosat · · Score: 1

      So, does this mean that 2095 will be the Year of Linux when Linux 95 is released?

    8. Re:by analogy by DeeEff · · Score: 1

      In that line of thinking we'll have to adopt the Firefox method of versioning if we ever want to get to 7 in the next ten years.

    9. Re:by analogy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you are describing doesn't have much to do with the kernel. For many, the kernel has delivered on it's promises. It continues to dominate the server world, and now dominates the smart phone world. Complains about Linux as a desktop operating system should be directed to the desktop environments - Gnome, KDE, XFCE, and so on. (I think that these projects should be criticized in many ways for lagging behind Apple in terms of usability)

  44. Re:lol Linux 3.0 is a 0-beta release. NSFW. by Abstrackt · · Score: 1

    Is zero even or odd?

    Yes, probably.

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  45. Re:lol Linux 3.0 is a 0-beta release. NSFW. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    0 mod 2 = 0, so zero is even.

  46. Re:SORRY FACT IS MORE WINPHO USERS THAN LINUX USER by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

    2% is just wrong. more like 0.2% or more accurately, a rounding error.

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  47. Re:lol Linux 3.0 is a 0-beta release. NSFW. by obergfellja · · Score: 1

    0 mod 2 = 0, so zero is even.

    0 mod 1 = 0, so zero is odd.

    Is zero even or odd?

    based on the two above segments, I'd say, YES. Is it odd? yes. Is it even? yes. Is it neither? yes. Is it both? yes.
    Linux 3.0 quantum computing? possibly.

    source: google.com
    queries:

    0 mod 1
    0 mod 2

  48. Re:lol Linux 3.0 is a 0-beta release. NSFW. by obergfellja · · Score: 1

    Is zero even or odd?

    Yes, probably.

    yes. source: google.com

  49. Re:lol Linux 3.0 is a 0-beta release. NSFW. by Rudolf · · Score: 1

    0 mod 1 = 0, so zero is odd.
    Any integer mod 1 = 0. So every integer is odd?

  50. Re:lol Linux 3.0 is a 0-beta release. NSFW. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    x = 0 (mod 1)
    means x is an integer
    x = 0 (mod 2)
    means x is an even integer
    x = 1 (mod 2)
    means x is an odd integer

    Grandparent is an idiot.

  51. Re:SORRY FACT IS MORE WINPHO USERS THAN LINUX USER by Lanteran · · Score: 1

    Eat statistics microsoft shill!

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  52. Re:SORRY FACT IS MORE WINPHO USERS THAN LINUX USER by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

    we were talking about desktop/laptop share. the wiki link includes servers too.

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  53. Re:SORRY FACT IS MORE WINPHO USERS THAN LINUX USER by Lanteran · · Score: 1

    Usage share of web client operating systems.

    Emphasis mine. Linux use actually has been growing the past few months. Not that I think this or next year will be the year of linux on the desktop.

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  54. Zero is even, not odd. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also, parent answered with "`Yes', probably" and in Boolean a True result is used as 1 or "Yes" in this category, thus the truth is always odd while the lie is even.

    zero is a lie. 0 != 1. There is no such thing as an equal or "even" result. We are doomed, but the Truthers will keep marching oddly.