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Linux Kernel 3.0 Released
Suchetha writes "In a posting on his Google+ page Linus Torvalds announced the launch of Linux kernel 3.0. This follows the kernel missing the planned release date of the 19th because of 'a subtle bug.'"
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http://kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges
And here comes the 30th centuary!
So how much (if) Google is paying Mr. Torvalds to tweet (erm, microblog) about the release? (Maybe we could call G+ tweeting "G-t"-ing).
No Anonymous Cowards, for starters :)
But on a more serious note, you can follow and be followed exactly like twitter except that you can publish a full-fledged post rather than a 140 char headline or note pointing to the actual post elsewhere. In this particular scenario, cuts a layer of middlemen.
+Raider of the lost BBS
Linux 3.0 feels a lot like Linux 3.0-rc7-git10. It really does! I installed the new Nvidia driver (also out today) and so am running both as I type this. Why do I get the feeling that I had an easier time building a new kernel and installing new video drivers than most Mac users have had installing MacOS Lion?
From 3.0 on they will be now be referred to as "Subtle Features".
you guys can share bunk beds
I hope that is not an ill omen.... .
-SS "Teach the ignorant, care for the dumb, and punish the stupid."
Well, lets see, 2010 was the year of Linux on the cellphone (android, webos, maemo), a year of Linux on the tv (boxee box, google tv, all the embedded TV experiences), yet another year of Linux on the server, yet another year of Linux for embedded devices...
Really, the desktop's all that's left for 2011.
In this particular scenario, the post was:
3.0 pushed out.
I think this would fitt even into Shatner's version of Twitter.
PlusFive Slashdot reader for Android. Can post comments.
And that of course implies that he will never (or has before) write longer messages...
Make menuconfig and be happy.
It isn't. If you're counting operating systems on mobile platforms, Android beats all the other smartphone platforms.
Operating system share, Q4 2010
* Android : 33%
* Symbian : 31%
* iOS : 16%
* Blackberry : 14%
* Windows Mobile : 3%
* Other : 3%
The Android kernel is a fork of Linux.
Is there nothing the open source community won't copy from Microsoft?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Er- no. 2% usage on the desktop/laptop equates to around 20 million with about a billion desktops in the world if I recall correctly. There are not 20 million windows phone users.
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Obvious 4chan troll is obviously not suited to trolling
"People don't want to learn linux" hasn't been a valid excuse since '03.
That's not entirely true. If you compare 2.6.0 to 3.0, there's a crapload of changes. However, if you're comparing 2.6.39 to 3.0, it's true that there aren't any big changes. The main reason is because there was no experimental 2.7 branch. If 2.6 had progressed to around 2.6.5 or so, then received nothing but occasional bug fixes, I'd think we'd be amazed by all the new features. Linux development has changed quite a lot since the early days, when the stable kernel branch was considered delicate and protected from any major changes. Now that we've changed the way that Linux is developed (old way: even numbered minor versions are stable, odd numbered minor versions are experimental; new way: new features are continually added to the kernel, rather than going to the experimental branch), added in crazy amounts of features, and it's getting to be a bigger pain to maintain, why not bump the major version?
Was there a compelling reason to bump the major version number? It depends on your point of view, really. I agree with Linus on this matter. It was a good a time as any, plus it was warranted. I understand that some people are disappointed that 3.0 doesn't bring substantial changes from the very last 2.6 patch, but that's not how Linux is developed any more. Is the new way better? Who knows. It seems to be working out well, though.
Just to be certain, this was a joke, right?
Subtle means it has potentially serious effects but is hard to investigate in detail. Subtle != !serious.
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why? Microsoft mostly worked on improving earlier microsoft hyper-v code, it was below standards and needed a lot of work to be of acceptable quality. you could also state you will be upgrading immideately so earlier bad microsoft code will be replaced by acceptable quality ASAP! whatever you prefer either bad or good code from microsoft on your machine.
I've been predicting for a while now that when Linux finally arrives on the desktop no home users will have desktops. Already the recycling sites and web sites and streets around where I live are filling up with unwanted computer desks while everyone migrates to PS3s, iPhones or laptops...
If you don't risk failure you don't risk success.
Arrgh - well Google+ is blocked by my companies web filter so I can't judge myself until I go home... I presume there are plenty of others in the same boat.
It could get irritating if Google+ is adopted by others in this way.
Luckily the IT staff here are not bright enough to pick up g+, but facebook and others are blocked so I suspect it's only a matter of time. That is what you have unblocked internet on the cell phone for :)
Linux Radio is now broadcasting the Linux 3.0 kernel live! http://www.linux.fm/ Pay attention to the kernel, listen to its wisdom : it speaks the truth!
I think you mean "it could get irritating for people working at worthless companies". Don't blame others for your poor choice of employer.
They contributed code to a specific driver, used for running Linux under their own virtualisation solution. You won't even build that code unless you select that driver. It is the biggest single contribution to this release because this is the first release after they finally cleaned it up enough to get accepted in to the mainline kernel.
# cat
Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
Indeed, however, poking at your phone is a bit harder to disguise as real work... ;)
It does raise a valid (ever so slightly offtopic) point though, a company/person making their Google+ page their main portal will exclude a percentage of their audience for ~8 hours a day.
Even if this isn't goofing off time (which I am sure we are all innocent of), it can be eating lunch at your desk or whatever. I keep my mayo fingers off my phone
Yes, which does mean I get mayo on my mouse... and keyboard...
Actually it is a joke, and it is very funny; you just don't realize it. The changes made by M$ were very specific to one area of code related to VM support for Windows. The changes were specifically requested by the kernel developers to fix M$'s sloppy work. Also, all changes made were signed off in true Open Source fashion. There is no reason to worry that M$ has tainted anything.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
There will always be a segment using desktops for, you know, work. Those professional machines might look a little different than now, but they wont be situated in front of a 50" LCD and couch or in a lap (usually).
I've found linux and freebsd more than competent for work, and I'm not alone.
PS: I don't reply to ACs.
I've been predicting for a while now that when Linux finally arrives on the desktop no home users will have desktops. Already the recycling sites and web sites and streets around where I live are filling up with unwanted computer desks while everyone migrates to PS3s, iPhones or laptops...
Well, you're not getting many psychic points for predicting the move from desktop to laptops, that trend has been going on for years and laptop sales overtook desktops in Q3 2008. But laptops are in every way the traditional "desktop" with desktop software, except with portable hardware. So either you're predicting something that's not very spectacular, indeed has pretty much already happened and wouldn't reduce the potential market anyway, or you're predicting the death of the "desktop" as such and people migrating to PS3s, iPhones and other devices which I find that very hard to believe. The laptop is very much alive and kicking, even if the desktop is relegated to a niche - yet a much bigger niche still than say "Macs" is, just for comparison.
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
That desktop is on its way out, too. When smartphones with Mini-HDMI output proliferate then many people will have lost their last reason to have a real computer.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
So it finally made it out of staging? That's great. Their previous drivers have been a little lacking; I've had them lock up on me. Is the enlightened mouse driver in there as well?
SSC
I for one will be testing 3.0 out to see how stable it is. We run Hyper-V in house (mostly a Windows shop, actually founded by ex-MSFTies) and we had to add some Linux images. It's probably not production quality, but I'd like to get a chance to test drive it to see what improvements we can expect down the line. Now they need to update their SCOM agent for Linux....
SSC
For a while its going to be like when the year changes and you keep writing checks with the previous year by mistake. Probably 99% of Linux users have only used a 2.0 series kernel. Heck, Slashdot didn't even exist before the 2.0 kernel.
Has returned if you chose to use btrfs with COW. As far as I know no distrobution is even considering btrfs as a default.
If you're getting "mayo" on your mouse and keyboard, you need to adjust your aim.
> a year of Linux on the tv (boxee box, google tv, all the embedded TV experiences)
Could be TVs are running Linux underneath now, in which case, another embedded win. As for the other two, let's stick with hardware people actually buy. Google will drop their hardware experiment, and boxee will be gone within two years, I guarantee it.
Tivo runs Linux. As does the DVR that came from DishNetwork. I believe many of the others run Linux as well, but I only have one TV provider.
Oh, and GoogeTV is being embedded in many TV's and is an option on several DVR's provided by Cable/TV providers.
There is no "I disagree" mod for a reason. Flamebait, Troll, and Overrated are not substitutes.
That desktop is on its way out, too. When smartphones with Mini-HDMI output proliferate then many people will have lost their last reason to have a real computer.
You're close.
Keyboard and mouse. That's my main reason for continuing to use a computer.
I predict universal docking stations for phones soon. Everywhere you go, you have your "computer" with you. When you get to the office or house, you simply drop your phone into the dock (or not if wireless) and you are doing your work/play on your 24" LCD with full keyboard and mouse.
You'll take your PC with you, everywhere you go.
There is no "I disagree" mod for a reason. Flamebait, Troll, and Overrated are not substitutes.
Thanks for your reply, i refer you to my original comment (emphasis added)
"when Linux finally arrives on the desktop no home users will have desktops"
If you don't risk failure you don't risk success.
Is zero even or odd?
Keyboard and mouse. That's my main reason for continuing to use a computer.
Is there a phone with Mini-HDMI output without Bluetooth?
I predict universal docking stations for phones soon.
Well, they are now standardizing a connector, so it's not actually impossible; but it is unnecessary, so long as you have wireless input devices.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
If this follows the pattern of Microsoft Windows, this means that Linux has finally reached the point of offering what Linux kernel 1.0 promised, and has become usable as a day-to-day operating system. When Linux kernel 3.1 comes out, it'll finally have the features it needs to become widely used, and application developers will start treating it as their primary business-critical platform, instead of just a necessary kludge for certain kinds of apps!
Which may mean that version numbers don't really mean as much as some people think.
http://alternatives.rzero.com/
Is zero even or odd?
Yes, probably.
They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance. - Terry Pratchett
Fedora's considering btrfs.
you can follow and be followed exactly like twitter except that you can publish a full-fledged post rather than a 140 char headline
You mean unlike twitter, Google+ might actually be useful. Niiiicceeeee....
Now all your web browsing goes through your phone. If you run Firefox, you can get FoxyProxy to set up URL-based rules for which addresses go through your phone-proxy and which go through your regular company network connection. And no mayo gets on your phone.
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Promoting critical thinking since 1994.
OOOOoooooo this sounds good! Will try it out, many thanks!
It does raise a valid (ever so slightly offtopic) point though, a company/person making their Google+ page their main portal will exclude a percentage of their audience for ~8 hours a day.
It is understood that humans require sleep.
'When' HDMI proliferates on smartphones? At least a year ago, I saw a smartphone with HDMI on someone I'm pretty sure wasn't the most technical user; my two year old phone *came* with a component out cable. More and more, it's looking like the way to go is to get a portable bluetooth keyboard and mouse, HDMI cable, and just plug in your phone with 64GB+ of storage to the nearest HDMI display. No more laptop or tablet computer needed.
Nathan's blog
convoluted. install the pc suite that came with your phone, click connect. works like that for me (sony x10 mini and nokia e71).
Wealth is the gift that keeps on giving.
Brevity is the soul of wit. Twitter is fantastic in that regard. Traditionally, some random asshole would express his opinion in the form of a blog, which nobody reads. Now, that same asshole can condense his snark into a single line, which nobody reads.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
2% is just wrong. more like 0.2% or more accurately, a rounding error.
Wealth is the gift that keeps on giving.
They ought to follow the apache versioning standards (major version for completely incompatible changes, minor for backwards- but not forwards-compatible changes, patch for bidirectional-compatible changes). Of course, given the kernel's attitude to compatibility that would probably lead to every release being a major version.
I am trolling
Brevity is the soul of wit.
So you're very clearly saying two things. First of all, my post was witty and funny. Second of all, twitter is only good for telling extremely short, witty jokes. I don't disagree. Beyond that, twitter is largely useless.
0 mod 2 = 0, so zero is even.
0 mod 1 = 0, so zero is odd.
Is zero even or odd?
based on the two above segments, I'd say, YES. Is it odd? yes. Is it even? yes. Is it neither? yes. Is it both? yes.
Linux 3.0 quantum computing? possibly.
source: google.com
queries:
0 mod 1
0 mod 2
Is zero even or odd?
Yes, probably.
yes. source: google.com
0 mod 1 = 0, so zero is odd.
Any integer mod 1 = 0. So every integer is odd?
I hear you, I just can't imagine ever actually being one of those homes ;)
PS: I don't reply to ACs.
Eat statistics microsoft shill!
"People don't want to learn linux" hasn't been a valid excuse since '03.
we were talking about desktop/laptop share. the wiki link includes servers too.
Wealth is the gift that keeps on giving.
Usage share of web client operating systems.
Emphasis mine. Linux use actually has been growing the past few months. Not that I think this or next year will be the year of linux on the desktop.
"People don't want to learn linux" hasn't been a valid excuse since '03.
It implies that the reason offered makes no sense on this particular story... Had he worded it differently and shown the reason holds by showing older posts with more content, his reason given would have gotten so much less disputable.
I am not devoid of humor.