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Philly Answers Youth Flash Mobs With Curfew Enforcement
Not that it's the first city to enforce a youth curfew, and not that kids on a crime-spree is the only variety of moral panic offered as a rationale, but Philadelphia is cracking down through increased enforcement of a youth curfew law after children and teenagers attacked two people in the Center City district — attacks which, according to police, were coordinated via text messaging.
not.
And in this case, it wasn't really a flash mob at all, it was just a gang of hoodlums.
This story doesn't seem relevant to this site at all to me.
Gentlemen!!! First they came for me...
I am a [ Apple user ] of [ unknown age ] looking to organise an attack at [ any and all Apple stores ]. But keep it under your [ iPads ]!!! I wouldn't want them shutting down allllll [ Apple stores ].
I am a [ socialist ] of [ long hair ] looking to organise an attack at [ within 20 miles of every single government building ]. But keep it under your [ Lenin caps ]!!! I wouldn't want them shutting down allllll [ places where young people gather ].
See folks, as our economy declines into a Third World one - no thanks to the Republicans and the TEA Party - we're going to see more civil unrest. Of course, the rich and powerful are scared shitless of this and they're going to have more and more of these rules put into place until we have a police state. Of course, there will be plenty of backing from our fellow peons - you know the "law and order" and "if you do nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about" Republicans.
I'd rather give away half then having it all taken away.
-Joseph P. Kennedy when asked why a super rich guy like him backed the Democrats
The last two attacks were not organized online AND occurred BEFORE the proposed curfew times.
These wildings have also happening on and around the market and broad lines just after school dismission times.
And it has been happening with 10-11-year-olds and supposedly good graduates of the school system, not just some crack kids.
Shows how all the wonder of the center city revitalization can evaporate in a puff of smoke like the wildings of the 70's in NYC and other places can turn your nice condo and restaurant scene to shit real fast.
Nutter doesn't have a chance to solve this, but I bet that sadly most people will call for more street cameras and more stop-and-frisk.
suburbs of cleveland, oh have done the exact same thing too (Cleveland heights and a couple of others)
...a flashmugging?
...everyone is aware that's not what a 'flash mob' is, right?
There are law enforcement issues issues with 'flash mobs', specifically, they work very well as a pre-scheduled distraction for the police, and can even be used for help with escape.
At some point, I suspect that will happen, that some bank robber wearing a clown outfit will actually escape into a flash mob of clowns, and everyone participating in the flash mob will be charged as an 'attractive nuisance', which is legal speak for 'behaving so stupidly that you make the job of criminals easier', and this whole 'flash mob' thing will die out, or at least the anonymous ones.
However, thugs that know each other, coordinating an attack via text messages, is not a 'flash mob'.
If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
Subby needs to learn what a flash mob is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_mob.
Also, this is news for nerds because why?
You know, democracy and political correctness are completely and fundamentally incompatible.
Democracy can only work if people are free to discuss the issues that are effecting them.
Such discussions need to include all the facts. Political correctness censors all facts that expose that the ideologies that the government is trying to impose upon everyone is incompatible with reality. All reality that proves that such ideologies are impossible, bad idea, are politically incorrect to mention. Censored.
Unlimited alien (genetically) immigration is one of those ideologies. Any facts that show that importing racial enemies is a bad idea are censored.
An interesting conflict of their stance comes out of their trying to suppress reality. They claim that the world is becoming over populated. They then only ever say the solution is for us to stop breeding. They never say to cut off immigration from nations which are irresponsible with their own breeding rate. In one speech they will say we need more immigration because our birth rate is too low. In another speech they will say that we have too many people, stop breeding, stop being so irresponsible.
Such conflicts of paradigm occur when you fight reality and truth in order to promote your ideology.
Because the second link was a bit light on information and the NY Times still seems to think that dumbass John Street is still the mayor of Philadelphia I give you the local source. http://www.philly.com/philly/news/pennsylvania/126902753.html it really was a shame what they did to one of those guys but this is hardly a flash mob. What somone had a cell phone and all of a sudden it's "News for Nerds"? Please. I don't even live in Philadelphia (anymore) and I know it's not safe to walk around downtown at 10:00PM. Brotherly Love my ass.
"We are just a war away from Amerikastan. When god vs god the undoing of man." Dave Mustaine
... but a Douche Mob, 's'trewth!
It's not a flash mob unless at least 80 people participate in the mugging. txt me for details!!!!!
Google black flash mob and you'll see this is becoming a more frequent and frightening phenomenon. The one previous to this was at the Wisconsin State Fair. Here's the link if you think I'm lying http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/126828998.html
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
And not allowed Flash to run on their platform.
I think their are just trying to curb the numbers of citizens from Philidelphia migrating to Bel Air to stay with their aunties and uncles.
As a Philadelphian, I can vouch that a flash mob in Philly is not the same thing as a flash mob that you see on AT&T advertising campaigns. While a flash mob may make you think of a bunch of people dancing in unison to some obscure pop culture reference in a large public area, a Philadelphia flash mob is a band of nearly feral minority teenagers whose parent wants to get their drink on and expels them for the night from their section 8 houses in North Philadelphia. They then flood down in droves to the Center City business district and Old City/South Street area, where they attack people at random.
I am sorry if that comes off as bitter and slightly racist. I was involved in one of these on South Street a few months ago...the fear you feel is absolutely indescribable when you realize that kids as young as 10 were raised in a way where they feel assaulting and robbing people at random is an acceptable Saturday night activity.
That is the same mentality that has America running down the road of bankrupcy Corporate Enslavement, Police state, TSA, Runaway laws, Lawyer Greed hysteria
They should be banning private ownership of cellphones, which are obviously highly effective as terrorist weapons.
I guess African Americans was just too descriptive and racist. Youth is also ageist so perhaps it should be changed to 'people', yet perhaps that is too speciesist.
You know, democracy and political correctness are completely and fundamentally incompatible.
Democracy can only work if people are free to discuss the issues that are affecting them.
Such discussions need to include all the facts. Political correctness censors all facts that expose that the ideologies that the government is trying to impose upon everyone is incompatible with reality. All reality that proves that such ideologies are impossible, bad idea, are politically incorrect to mention. Censored.
Unlimited alien (genetically) immigration is one of those ideologies. Any facts that show that importing racial enemies is a bad idea are censored.
An interesting conflict of their stance comes out of their trying to suppress reality. They claim that the world is becoming over populated. They then only ever say the solution is for us to stop breeding. They never say to cut off immigration from nations which are irresponsible with their own breeding rate. In one speech they will say we need more immigration because our birth rate is too low. In another speech they will say that we have too many people, stop breeding, stop being so irresponsible.
If only those who are responsible and moral enough to decrease their fertility rate do so, then only people who cannot help themselves will be populating the earth. The will to control oneself for the good of the environment will be bred out of existence.
Such destructive results, such conflicts of paradigm, will always occur when you fight reality and truth in order to promote your ideology.
I remember back when I was 17. I would think to myself, "If only there was a time of year where there was no school and I could get a job to earn some extra cash."
I hope one day future generations could have some kind of vacation in the summer where they could work to earn extra money, even if it involves the occasional late shift.
We can talk about rights all we want, but the fact here is that what we're experiencing here is the criminal element stripping our rights away. Being unable to safely walk somewhere late at night constitutes a loss of freedom. The problem is that Americans are so used to this sort of garbage that they don't even see the problem. But I lived overseas where I could walk the streets at 3am without a care in the world. It wasn't that crime was non-existent but it didn't factor into normal routine. Sketchy neighborhoods were rare.
But the problem here is that American law enforcement is reactive, not proactive. The approach taken to crime is similar to how oppressive regimes keep sectarian conflict in check: oppression. I don't mean that Americans practice anything nearly that severe. What I mean is that they address problems with aggressive tactics; increased police presence, more arrests, etc. That only addresses the symptoms and once they're gone the problems return. And making matters worse is that this approach dehumanizes police offices, it turns them into this faceless force. They don't interact nearly enough with communities. They should patrol on foot, not in police cars.
However, the real problem are parents. Too many parents have abrogated their responsibilities. They don't care what their kids are doing, because if they did that kid wouldn't be out on the streets in the middle of the night. So, the responsibility ends up being foisted on the government. And what the government decides isn't always in the best interests of the citizens, especially when they're looking for quick results. Those quick results are effective over the current election cycle, but they never address the long term problems.
But the fact is the United States is suffering from serious cultural issues that perpetuates things like crime. Those need to be addressed properly, but honestly, I don't know see who could disagree with the benefits of enjoying safer streets, less vandalism, etc. But I suppose it's the tendency for Americans to want to stick it to the man, to the point of being irrational about it.
the same things happen in other parts to the world, and it's not black kids doing it, it's poor kids doing it
the POVERTY is the issue, not the race
it's just revealing to me to see the right constantly falling into race based thinking, rather than class based thinking
it reveals the right doesn't understand the problems you create when you push social policies that create a large poor under class, rather than policies that support the growth of the middle class
the right pushes policies that makes people poor, and then they see poor people doing things because of their lame policies
and yet, they don't think "poor kids did this and that", they think "black kids did this and that"
very revealing
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
it's a problem with poverty
the overseas places you are talking about are rich places. there are also rich places you can walk around at 3 am in the usa
go to the favelas in rio, the slums outside mumbai or manila or cairo or nairobi, and you tell me again criminals running roughshod over your rights is some sort of american phenomenon
ridiculous
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Regardless of whether it would be effective at stopping crime, curfews are routinely struck down as unconstitutional. All this will do is cost the city of Philadelphia money in legal fees when it is inevitably challenged in court and struck down.
Local politicians rarely learn though.
Let me guess: your school system had year-round classes.
Self-defense! Carry a gun / knife / etc and fight back and when a couple of their friends start to die then they won't be attacking randoms anymore.
Most American cities have curfew laws, though it's hard for me to even remotely agree with having them. I fail to see how enforcing curfew laws will curtail mobs. What the mobs are doing is against the law and they don't care about that. What are the odds they're going to care about curfew? And since the entire underlying problem seems to be that police can't keep up with these insta-mobs, how are they going to keep up with these insta-curfew-violating-mobs?
And while we're at it - so what? The job of the police isn't to protect you from crime. It's to clean up afterward and MAYBE find the guilty party.
The problem is that no one takes any responsiblity - the liberal elite have pushed all these garbage social programs on us, claiming that this will fix the problem - and it hasn't. We OVERSPEND on stuff like this to fix poverty - and it doesn't fix the problem - you know why - ZERO PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Giving people unearned government benefits is essentially giving them NOTHING - people don't view these benefits as a gift, they start to believe that someone owes them something for nothing - instead of getting a job and taking some responsibility for themselves, they throw temper tantrums and demand the fruit of someone elses neighbor. The people who have their earnings stolen from them under the guise of providing a benefit for society then do absolutely nothing else - in their mind they have done enough. What's worse is instead of beating the living shit out of the flash mob participants and then enforcing standards of normal societal behavior (you know - like telling a kid this isn't acceptable no matter if you are rich or poor - you will act correctly no matter what) - we then tell them it isn't their fault. But the Liberals will never admit this , and instead work for less personal responsiblity and more government power, turning citizens into subjects.
I'm 100% correct.
W-O-O-O-O-S-H-SH!
The world runs 24/7 these days.
I work night shift
Could you please back these statements up with some facts? The truth is that our cities are not in general more dangerous than they were before, nor was there some kind of golden age when everyone was safer than we were now. Certainly I can point to times when things were much much worse.
While there are always hotspots of crime and danger, and you can always point at anecdotes of problems, I don't think you can support your assertions, and extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
What do you know I wrote a novel
Flash Mods are news for nerds because we're Larry Niven fans, I think.
I will be threshing anyone that touches my hard-earned computing equipment. Just because someone of poorer demographic is pissed they can't get a foothold into an industry with all the high-tech gadgets is no reason to steal people's phones. Farmers will hang a man for stealing a horse or their farming equipment, so it's not a matter of price but a matter of social jealousy that someone didn't earn.
How this relates to News For Nerds is that when one steals my pricey PDA phone how can I remotely lock and retrieve my data within a day of it being stolen, and how can I triangulate that PDA phone to when would be the most effective moment to orbitally bombard the carrier with ordinance? After-all, you wouldn't want anyone having hand-held unrestricted access to your website accounts to manipulate your finances or your reputation with active authentication tokens before that PDA phone was stolen.
PS: Why do Philadelphia Flash-Mob Youths eyes swell red and shut durring sex? It's the mace.
US cities of the present and some point in the past but US cities and non-US cities. Your demand for "some facts" in no way addresses the post you are replying to.
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If you read the fine blurb... it included this salient bit. Which, in my humble opinion, renders the entire discussion here somewhat dubious.
Police said the young people in the mob appeared to be communicating by text message.
Just what does the word "Appeared," in this context indicate? Does it mean they police couldn't actually understand the content of all the text messages they read, or they couldn't follow the tread(s) of conversation because they were too complex?
WTF... IDK... NVM... STFU dude.
Or is just another bit of ridiculous reporting... Was the 11 year old arrested for participating in the attack? Were the 'youth' in question gang-bangers with previous history? Are they running amok at night while their parents are working and can't provide adequate oversight.
Inquiring minds should want more than bland generalities to go by...
WTF is this 'article' posted for? Slashdot is near the end of a slide into irrelevance for me. Oh, and when did a gang of thugs using text messges come to be known as a flash mob?
It bugs me the way older generations seem to expect young people to stay at home all day, and then think it strange when the go out and do these sort of things. This is a time when people are trying to make a name for themselves and decide who whey will become, people who want to be spineless, worthless stackers will sit at home and watch TV, but there are a lot of people who want more than that for themselves, and when this is the only real option they have, it's what they turn to.
All that black paint must be a hint that the price of shoe-polish is valued among them. I wonder how many are White after their Flash-Mob Attire is washed by a good anti-riot Hydrant from a deployed Pirate's Fire Engine unit.
Fucking fascist.
I live in a neighborhood that's going through that kind of thing & I am also in process evicting some blacks from properties I own for being late on payments and destroying my property piece by piece, as well as trespassing & attempted robberies of my neighbors' homes too in this particular property.
They called me a "cracker m'f'er" when I told them to move their things from that home's basement (not in rental agreement, was just a nicety I offered), & EVEN threatened me while I was on the phone with "911" saying:
"I am going to f up your shit" and "I am going to f you up"
(How STUPID can you be? This occurred while I am on the phone with 911 & this is being recorded by the police while it happened... I could not believe it! My neighbors to that property also heard & witnessed to the same thing, calling 911 as well. Nothing was done because it's a "civil matter").
Then, they destroyed a garden of mine in "retaliation" (to which I followed my attorney's instructions to the letter, called the police & filed a report for felony criminal mischief). This was expected by my attorney in fact, I did not think it would happen. It did. He has experience here. He has the report filed & is filing/pressing criminal mischief felony charges.
They took off for days now, & have not been back in fact.
(I.E.-> Once they were spotted wrecking my gardens, they yanked their air conditioners & ran it seems thusfar!)
The city marshall came by today and posted the eviction notices on the property, etc./ et al, & told me:
"Get them out as fast as you can, you have a nice place here".
He was a nice man. All the police have been thusfar and told me pretty much the same. They also tell me that landlord-tenant laws ties their hands and they would have removed them if not for that.
See, the same officers showed up as before who filed the report when one of the "children" of the tenants was caught by myself breaking into another place I own, as well as my finding out he had done the same to a neighboring home also, and attempted to do so to yet another neighbors' home as well.
This prompted child protective services calls on the advisement of the police for a "lack of supervision" (as well as child abuse because I hear them getting beaten quite regularly as well). I don't mean little spankings either, I mean full blown BEATINGS (I can hear them screaming from another residence in fact).
Still, what bothers ME the MOST?
Well - My hands are tied, and I cannot use "other means" to stop them, until the eviction court date, as they destroy things in retaliation and I am not allowed to do anything DIRECTLY about it.
That, is bullshit.
I told the police if anything were to happen here, in them attempting to attack my person (with others they know also most likely), then, I would have to 'defend myself to the fullest extent' & they said "Feel free to do so" (clearly meaning they know what I am dealing with and what I would like to do in response).
My entire neighborhood wants them gone in fact, and are heading into court with me on the date of it soon... I am also pressing felony criminal mischief charges, but it's a shame I cannot do to they what they are doing to my properties & getting away with it (destroying things). I am not kidding. They do it, get away with it, & until that court date? My hands ARE TIED.
It's total bullshit.
APK
P.S.=> So, as you can see? Well - I am with you, 100%, from REAL EXPERIENCE, right now, hairyfeet... it's happening around me right now as I write this to you. I am fully insured thank goodness at least and all the property & taxes are paid up in full, so, the police are more than willing to help & park their vehicles here now not even a few feet away from the properties in fact @ night... it's insane!
Now, I know what I'd LIKE to do, to stop this, but the law ties my hands, the police's hands, & even child protective services' hands (
1.) How come neighborhoods blacks live in become run down, crime ridden, & drug infested hell holes most every time (from what I have seen around here that is certain)?
2.) How come whites came to this nation & fluorished by comparison largely (creating the nation of the USA in all its greatness, yes, even now)??
3.) Explain what is here then:
http://niggermania.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?25-Nigger-Crime/page2&s=6071a5dce4dbeb67a9f79f83012cf007&order=desc
Based from actual news and police reports???
Now - You complain of slavery, but the africans themselves also sold their own people as slaves (ones captured from other villages during wars, or their own malcontents). Funny you don't note that much eh? I was informed of that by a former African classmate of mine during my CSC degree studies, a Mr. Charles Batali, no less.
APK
P.S.=> Not all blacks are "evil & bogus", but those that are, are extremely so in my experience - you may want to see that link above also... it's disgusting!
(And, yes, there is white trash too, I live around both types as well as good folks too)
However, I was asked those questions above I listed, & shown that link by others when I rented to blacks trying to give them a chance at a nice life in this neighborhood... Guess what my experience has been thusfar?
Well, they tried to rob my & my neighbors' home, destroyed properties of mine when I notified I am evicting them (going on now in fact), & more (calling me "cracker m'fer" & more etc.) as well as threatening my life & properties... apk
So, what's your point here, other than being an off topic troll though on your part>
"I got news for ya, dude. Making them use a HOSTS file isn't going to turn them into better tenants." - by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 06, @06:21PM (#37010538)
I wish it could though, but it can't... The legal system, which I am respectful of, will though, hopefully, as well as improving my life & those of my neighbors also.
* Still - DO answer my bolded question above please... &, thank you.
APK
P.S.=> I mean, seriously: If you don't have anything better to do than being an off-topic troll, I feel sorry for you actually... I truly, do!
Life goes by quickly, I know (I am nearing 50 now, hard to believe but true), and it's up to you how you use your time in it, & trolling on YOUR part now, & probably before directed my way, imo @ least? Isn't an effective means of improving yourself or the lives of others either...
... apk
Never mind that virtually all of the major incidents in Philly happened before 10 PM.
what about Necking? or Fucking?
every day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random
A curfew to fight behavior that happens during the day works so well. Next, the Philadelphia Fire Department will hose down the river to fight house fires, and the Philadelphia building inspectors will be heading into the deep forest to check out the safety of the city's skyscrapers.
Calling me racist too? I am a POLISH person, I have been called "polack" all my life, so don't go trying your "pot calling the kettle black" b.s. on me, ok??
I know better. Had it done to me, first of all. Now, to tear you up, point by point:
"They become run down because black neighborhoods are marginalized by the political process (think gerrymandering)." - by PCM2 (4486) on Saturday August 06, @06:46PM (#37010674) Homepage
Bullshit, that's blaming others for their problems... plain & simple: NOBODY HAS TO LIVE LIKE ANYTHING & CONTROL THEIR OWN WORLDS IF THEY WORK HARD ENOUGH @ IT!
(Who are you trying to fool here? See subject-line above, & spare us the bullshit!)
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"They also become run down because they are poor (think property taxes)." - by PCM2 (4486) on Saturday August 06, @06:46PM (#37010674) Homepage
I live in a home & pay them myself, do you? That's just MORE BULLSHIT passing the buck b.s. from you!
Fact is, I have a neighbor who rents a house a block away, & just the other night I met he... He is only a tenant, but I thought he was the owner... he has improved the place! He trades his labor for rent in fact or breaks on the rent...
So quit trying to "blame others" as you are OBVIOUSLY "WONT TO DO" evidenced here in your b.s. statements!
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"They become crime ridden and drug infested because the people who live there are poor, have few opportunities, and can find no way to escape (think Detroit)." - by PCM2 (4486) on Saturday August 06, @06:46PM (#37010674) Homepage
Unbelievable - There is ALWAYS A WAY OUT: Go to the military if you have to, instead of dealing drugs or robbing for example!
OR
Get good grades & get scholarship or be a good athelete (I was both in my day) & get aid to go to school!
It's better than BLAMING OTHERS for your bullshit!
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"Really? You expect me to explain what's on a site called "Niggermania.net"? Explain your racism and ignorance yourself, because I have no excuses for you.." - by PCM2 (4486) on Saturday August 06, @06:46PM (#37010674) Homepage
OH please... lol, see above, & this: You have no excuse for running away from a site that I didn't name, I was only pointed to it by others... I don't own or run it either, or even post there mind you.
No... I just read news reports and facts from it... FACTS YOU RUN FROM BOY!
(Funny that last part, eh?)
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"You are an ignorant racist. Learn your history." - by PCM2 (4486) on Saturday August 06, @06:46PM (#37010674) Homepage
Funny, like I said: An actual AFRICAN BLACK MAN I was classmates with for my CSC schooling, Mr. Charles Batali, even told me that you sold your own into slavery... are you trying to say you DID NOT?
If so, that is complete bullshit...
(Yes, as usual here? YOU only blame others for your own mess pal, no questions asked after seeing your b.s. here now, running from my points/questions, & even facts from the news on the site posted, & TRIED TO CALL ME RACIST? Again - I've had "racism" in being called a "POLACK" directed my way, my ENTIRE LIFE... I don't direct it to others. I know better!)
However - I will use facts, & clearly ONES YOU RAN FROM & tried to blame others for your own messes!
(Face it - People create their own messes, but only fools blame others for them, period... & there is ALWAYS A WAY OUT/ESCAPE IF YOU TRY HARD ENOUGH!)
APK
P.S.=> Plus, see subject-line: & secondly, Blacks can get a job before a white man will due to reverse discriminatory practices, & also have the SAME OPPORTUNITIES A WHITE MAN DOES IN THE USA, & you're trying to tell me that b.s.? Please... give us a break!
... apk
Notice how wherever there are 1st-generation IMMIGRANTS and NIGGERS, then the death and thief rates are high. Even if you look at the arrest reports wherever thre is a crime done by a white, just consider the fact that the FBI conceals Hispanic crimes (immigrant population) under the demographic as WHITE ( http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/mywesttexas.com/content/tncms/assets/editorial/d/7b/3a0/d7b3a084-c5fd-11df-8a00-001cc4c03286-revisions/4c997f34907f7.preview-300.jpg ). The United States of North America was a place where your defence against being killed and burgled was in your hands depending how you patronized the sporting-goods store or hired a privateer such as the incorporated hoodlums known as the local police bureau. That has not changed, because The United States migrates more 3rd-world scum into America than anyone else because the nature of their currency and defaulted debt crisis is eased by the fact their currency is fabricated from the future interests of the people pledged to pay the debts. Thus, to pay-off the existing debt The United States must migrate more foreigners into America just to collateralize their birth certificates with the Federal Reserve System. Given the fact that 9 of 10 rapes are Black males against White females ( http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww15/TempJim2009/DOJ_Homicidedata.jpg or by analysis http://www.library.flawlesslogic.com/rape.htm ), it's not much different in all the other venues. Blacks simply aren't native anywhere outside of East Africa where is evidence of them existing longer than Mediterranean Africa-North where they and Moors had pillaged.
It's either that or get bought-out, like what the China Bank of Reconstruction and the IMF has been doing to Americans all this time, while The United States just sits-back like a mis-managing trustee blaming all the problems on Americans despite being hired and well-payed to fix the problem in a calculated skillful manner that has been over-simulated in countless scholastic scenarios. There is no excuse for how The United States has caused all it's own problems: they are intending to sell-out America and ruin the existing culture of 1492 Americans ever since 1776.
& FUNNY HOW YOU OMIT ALSO I STATE THERE ARE GOOD BLACKS TOO IN MY P.S. here in my original reply:
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2367798&cid=37010406
and here too:
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2367798&cid=37010296
(Funny that, eh? NOT!)
Fact is, this:
You're a b.s. artist that "tries to 'blame the system'" a system that gives BETTER OPPORTUNITIES TO BLACKS THAN WHITES IN FACT (antidiscriminatory laws on civil service exams being an example. A white man/woman could score higher than a black, but a QUOTA must be met for blacks... explain that please! That's clearly "reverse discrimination", in fact!).
A black man does NOT have to be a drug dealer or criminal. He can enter the military, go overseas & make his first U.S. Dollars $80,000 TAX FREE, same as a white man.
A black man can also be a good student or good athlete (I was, got aid too for both) & get an education instead of being a "thug 4 life" too!
Don't hand me your b.s., trying to blame others... an individual has to blame himself, & then FIX IT FOR HIMSELF, period!
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"You might be a racist if ... you think your ethnic background is proof that it's impossible for you to be racist" - by PCM2 (4486) on Saturday August 06, @09:40PM (#37011626) Homepage
Ok, as you said & my subject-line said? Prove I am racist then... good luck - I know better, as I have had it directed my way many times my ENTIRE LIFE - it's not my ethnicity alone that does it, it's my LIFE EXPERIENCE!
However: It doesn't really bother me though, as it does some others!
Simply because I know better about myself, inside.
I mean - Things I've done in my life in the art & science of computing ALONE show it (would you like to see a list of proofs thereof? Ask! You CAN change your life, I don't care WHO YOU ARE or WHAT YOUR CIRCUMSTANCES ARE...).
You're trying to tell us "there is no way out for the black man" & that's b.s.... and YOU KNOW IT!
I point out a couple ways above earlier to you, in fact!
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More "horseshit" from you upcoming now:
"Use logic (if you can). Property taxes are based on a percentage of the value of the property. If you are poor, you live where property values are affordable to you. That means the properties aren't worth very much. If the properties aren't worth very much, they don't bring in much in the way of property taxes" - by PCM2 (4486) on Saturday August 06, @09:40PM (#37011626) Homepage
Ahem: I use REALITY pal... & AGAIN, YOU AVOIDED MY QUESTION: DO YOU OWN PROPERTY & PAY TAXES ON IT YOURSELF EVEN?
Answer that...
(Yes, I do, and I know all of that... I am not "rich/wealthy" by any means either, but I don't rob, thieve, etc. either!)
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"This hardly refutes my argument that blacks in many cities have been systematically disenfranchised by the political system." - by PCM2 (4486) on Saturday August 06, @09:40PM (#37011626) Homepage
Gosh: President Obama seems to have done PRETTY WELL, & he's black!
(Who are you TRYING TO FOOL?)
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"That means those neighborhoods don't get the same access to infrastructure projects as rich neighborhoods do." - by PCM2 (4486) on Saturday August 06, @09:40PM (#37011626) Homepage
No, they have EQUAL RIGHTS, NAACP, & OTHER AGENCIES WORKING FOR THEM (again, civil service exam quotas ASSURE blacks a job, even if they score lower on tests!)... please, don't try that crap here, ok? I am too well-informed on this for you to even BEGIN to try to "get the best of me"...
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"They certai
See subject-line above, & you've tried to attack me before also, here, libelling me as well:
http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2025178&cid=35442390
You're cold busted!
So, please - your "trollish motivations" are shown for what they are, as well as your character there in that link above...
Yea, I bet you think I didn't have that bookmarked, didn't you? WRONG!
LOL!
There? Hilarious...
* You ran from your outright LIBELLING of myself there, iirc, when I asked if you can prove you yourself are "EXPERT" in that area, of psychiatry too!
You are a troll, and your fav. color? MUST BE "TRANSPARENT"... I've been called "polack" many times in my life, but I don't act racist to others.
I judge a man by WHO HE IS & what he shows me. I also use facts, & that site I posted? It's backed by news reports... disprove them! Good luck, you'll NEED it.
APK
P.S.=> I used that as a source I have been pointed to before... if I used CNN or Fox News, would THAT be different? Disprove the news reports they post at that site then, & don't point the finger at me... argue with the source! I don't post there, never have once, but I did read PART of it, gave up after 10 pages or so, because I see that around me where I live in fact (inner urban area)...apk
See subject-line above, & you've tried to attack me before also, here, libelling me as well (as you are now, calling me more names... poor tactic, the adhominem attack & illogical too):
http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2025178&cid=35442390
(You're cold busted!)
So, please - your "trollish motivations" are shown for what they are, as well as your character there in that link above...
Yea, I bet you think I didn't have that bookmarked, didn't you? WRONG!
LOL!
There? Hilarious...
* You ran from your outright LIBELLING of myself there, iirc, when I asked if you can prove you yourself are "EXPERT" in that area, of psychiatry too!
You are a troll, and your fav. color? MUST BE "TRANSPARENT"
Again, Fact is, this: I've been called "polack" many times in my life, but I don't act racist to others. I know better about myself, & worked hard to make it so.
(Plus - I judge a man by WHO HE IS & what he shows me. I also have black MEN who are my pals, not the word YOU YOUSELF USED!)
Lastly, I also use facts, & that site I posted? It's backed by news reports... disprove them!
Good luck, you'll NEED it.
APK
P.S.=> I used that as a source I have been pointed to before... if I used CNN or Fox News, would THAT be different? Disprove the news reports they post at that site then, & don't point the finger at me... argue with the source! I don't post there, never have once, but I did read PART of it, gave up after 10 pages or so, because I see that around me where I live in fact (inner urban area)...apk
A black man (an OUTSTANDING one) here? http://broncotalk.net/2009/08/8572/broncos-news/finally-floyd-little-gets-his-shot/
WHAT I POSTED, VERBATIM:
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"Floyd Little was an OUTSTANDING "combined threat" who could run with the best of them (iirc, only O.J. Simpson gained more yards from 1967-1973 for example running the ball), catch with the best of them, and even return kicks (and block great too). What more do people want? A great football player SHOULD be in the "Hall of Fame", & this guy? Was one of the all-time greats (& the rushing charts @ the time of his retirement showed that much)... APK"
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* I judge a man by his deeds/accomplishments, & to the worthy/just, I give credit (he made it into the Hall of Fame iirc, by the by, also).
APK
P.S.=> Answer my question... thank you! apk
A black man (an OUTSTANDING one) here? http://broncotalk.net/2009/08/8572/broncos-news/finally-floyd-little-gets-his-shot/
WHAT I POSTED, VERBATIM:
---
"Floyd Little was an OUTSTANDING "combined threat" who could run with the best of them (iirc, only O.J. Simpson gained more yards from 1967-1973 for example running the ball), catch with the best of them, and even return kicks (and block great too). What more do people want? A great football player SHOULD be in the "Hall of Fame", & this guy? Was one of the all-time greats (& the rushing charts @ the time of his retirement showed that much)... APK"
---
* I judge a man by his deeds/accomplishments, & to the worthy/just, I give credit AND SUPPORT (he made it into the Hall of Fame iirc, by the by, also).
APK
P.S.=> Answer my question... thank you! apk
Why would I champion a black man (an OUTSTANDING one) here if I was racist -> http://broncotalk.net/2009/08/8572/broncos-news/finally-floyd-little-gets-his-shot/
WHAT I POSTED, VERBATIM:
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"Floyd Little was an OUTSTANDING "combined threat" who could run with the best of them (iirc, only O.J. Simpson gained more yards from 1967-1973 for example running the ball), catch with the best of them, and even return kicks (and block great too). What more do people want? A great football player SHOULD be in the "Hall of Fame", & this guy? Was one of the all-time greats (& the rushing charts @ the time of his retirement showed that much)... APK"
---
* I judge a man by his deeds/accomplishments, & to the worthy/just, I give credit (he made it into the Hall of Fame iirc, by the by, also).
APK
P.S.=> Answer my question... thank you! apk
All these dumb niggers have have it too good. Bring back some black oppression and watch them pick their manners back up when they cant even go out at night or walk on the wrong side of the street without being beat up by anyone wanting to vent some frustration.
They call me racist for putting them all in the same stereotypical box, yet they're the ones acting like stereotypical niggers. Who's to blame? I blame the government for bending over backwards and giving them everything they want as soon as someone cries "racism!"
Why would I champion a black man (an OUTSTANDING one) here if I was racist -> http://broncotalk.net/2009/08/8572/broncos-news/finally-floyd-little-gets-his-shot/
WHAT I POSTED, VERBATIM:
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"Floyd Little was an OUTSTANDING "combined threat" who could run with the best of them (iirc, only O.J. Simpson gained more yards from 1967-1973 for example running the ball), catch with the best of them, and even return kicks (and block great too). What more do people want? A great football player SHOULD be in the "Hall of Fame", & this guy? Was one of the all-time greats (& the rushing charts @ the time of his retirement showed that much)... APK"
---
* I judge a man by his deeds/accomplishments, & to the worthy/just, I give credit & YES, support also (he made it into the Hall of Fame iirc, by the by, also).
APK
P.S.=> Answer my question... thank you! apk
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=183054&cid=15128564
REQUOTING MYSELF vs.a real racist named ringbarer here on /. no less (After others used the "N word" here as DocHoncho has here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2367798&cid=37012014 ):
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"Man, listen up please:
I suppose that you can say what you want about black folks in this nation (U.S.A.) because you DO have the right to free speech...
HOWEVER, they are not ALL bad (or, ALL good, just like other races).
There does tend to be a propensity for crime amongst them, there's no doubt of that in their neighborhoods in cities (I live in one that has gone from primarily caucasian to negro in content/population in fact over a decade now & I do see that everyday in fact, there is much to be said about it and it does seem to ring true).
Still, that is not something I understand WHY it happens fully...
What does bother me is 2 things:
1.) They often say we enslaved them (it's true, & shameful, but my family came "off the boat" in the 1950's to the states, so we had NOTHING to do with that), but often times from what I understand?
When black tribes went to war, they often took prisoners from the losing tribe & sold them off to slavers...
I.E. -> They sold their OWN into such a life...
&
2.) Also, the fact that if a white guy & a black guy go after a job, if the white guy scores higher on exams, but the organization/company in question lacks a quota of black dudes/people? The black guy gets the job... that is WRONG!
Nothing's perfect, but those are my 2 bitches about it.
BUT, back on track:
NOW, I imagine, like anyone might, think that they say to themselves "Why work @ Burger King, making $100/week, when I can do XYZ (crime) and make $1,000/week"...
(Most likely, this IS the case - taking the path of least resistance to make a living, most folks do of ANY race imo: Work "smarter", not harder in effect).
BOTTOM-LINE THOUGH:
Black folks in the U.S.A. @ least afaik & see, have had theirs fight for this nation in the armed forces & paid with their blood & lives!
So they have the right to be here as much as anyone.
So lay off the racial shit man!
(Stating that crap just really makes you seem stupider than you say black folks are, which some of them are VERY intelligent & successful!)
APK
P.S.=> See, I've heard the same shit my entire life @ times (racial slurs etc./et all), because of the "Tribe" I am a descendant of, & @ times it bothers me!
So I imagine it would be the same for any black people reading what you wrote... apk" - by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 14 2006, @08:59AM (#15128564)
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Disprove I said that too please... good luck! It's quite old from me, & my take on "the N word" being said here by others like DocHoncho here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2367798&cid=37011784 !
APK
P.S.=> You're right, & I only tell is how it is, how I have seen it, by actually LIVING in the "inner urban" area, & I judge a man by what he shows me, not his skin color, as I did here championing a black man too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2367798&cid=37012014
... apk
Seriously, when you hear the term "flash mobs" what comes to your mind?
To me, it's a large group of people, flashing. You know, whipping open some trench coats and showing their privates.
So I guess I can understand, why these spontainous performance people are called flash mobs, seeing as they tend to wear trench coats, but instead of flashing some naughty bits, they perform something for us.
Cool, i can live with that.
But how does people using text messages to communicate coordination between different people make it a flash mob?
I'm pretty sure if me and all my friends text each other so we could meet up, we don't call that a flash mob when we all end up at the party/whatever together and pull out our pipes and weed (or whatever).
I'm getting tired of peeps taking terms and trying to invent new usages for them. It's like there isn't enough words, or letters, or combinations of those to make up new sayings for stuff, instead of taking recent new sayings and trying to make them into something else.
Unlimited should mean just that. NOT limited.
Flash Mob should be used when a group of people coordinate an surprise performance somewhere.
am I asking for too much?
Be seeing you...
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=183054&cid=15128564
REQUOTING MYSELF vs.a real racist named ringbarer here on /. no less (After others used the "N word" here as DocHoncho has here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2367798&cid=37012014 ):
---
"Man, listen up please:
I suppose that you can say what you want about black folks in this nation (U.S.A.) because you DO have the right to free speech...
HOWEVER, they are not ALL bad (or, ALL good, just like other races).
There does tend to be a propensity for crime amongst them, there's no doubt of that in their neighborhoods in cities (I live in one that has gone from primarily caucasian to negro in content/population in fact over a decade now & I do see that everyday in fact, there is much to be said about it and it does seem to ring true).
Still, that is not something I understand WHY it happens fully...
What does bother me is 2 things:
1.) They often say we enslaved them (it's true, & shameful, but my family came "off the boat" in the 1950's to the states, so we had NOTHING to do with that), but often times from what I understand?
When black tribes went to war, they often took prisoners from the losing tribe & sold them off to slavers...
I.E. -> They sold their OWN into such a life...
&
2.) Also, the fact that if a white guy & a black guy go after a job, if the white guy scores higher on exams, but the organization/company in question lacks a quota of black dudes/people? The black guy gets the job... that is WRONG!
Nothing's perfect, but those are my 2 bitches about it.
BUT, back on track:
NOW, I imagine, like anyone might, think that they say to themselves "Why work @ Burger King, making $100/week, when I can do XYZ (crime) and make $1,000/week"...
(Most likely, this IS the case - taking the path of least resistance to make a living, most folks do of ANY race imo: Work "smarter", not harder in effect).
BOTTOM-LINE THOUGH:
Black folks in the U.S.A. @ least afaik & see, have had theirs fight for this nation in the armed forces & paid with their blood & lives!
So they have the right to be here as much as anyone.
So lay off the racial shit man!
(Stating that crap just really makes you seem stupider than you say black folks are, which some of them are VERY intelligent & successful!)
APK
P.S.=> See, I've heard the same shit my entire life @ times (racial slurs etc./et all), because of the "Tribe" I am a descendant of, & @ times it bothers me!
So I imagine it would be the same for any black people reading what you wrote... apk" - by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 14 2006, @08:59AM (#15128564)
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Disprove I said that too please... good luck!
It's quite old from me, & my take on "the N word" being said here by others like DocHoncho here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2367798&cid=37011784 !
APK
P.S.=> You're right, & I only tell is how it is, how I have seen it, by actually LIVING in the "inner urban" area, & I judge a man by what he shows me, not his skin color, as I did here championing a black man too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2367798&cid=37012014
... apk
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=183054&cid=15128564
REQUOTING MYSELF vs.a real racist named ringbarer here on /. no less (After others used the "N word" here as DocHoncho has here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2367798&cid=37011784 ):
---
"Man, listen up please:
I suppose that you can say what you want about black folks in this nation (U.S.A.) because you DO have the right to free speech...
HOWEVER, they are not ALL bad (or, ALL good, just like other races).
There does tend to be a propensity for crime amongst them, there's no doubt of that in their neighborhoods in cities (I live in one that has gone from primarily caucasian to negro in content/population in fact over a decade now & I do see that everyday in fact, there is much to be said about it and it does seem to ring true).
Still, that is not something I understand WHY it happens fully...
What does bother me is 2 things:
1.) They often say we enslaved them (it's true, & shameful, but my family came "off the boat" in the 1950's to the states, so we had NOTHING to do with that), but often times from what I understand?
When black tribes went to war, they often took prisoners from the losing tribe & sold them off to slavers...
I.E. -> They sold their OWN into such a life...
&
2.) Also, the fact that if a white guy & a black guy go after a job, if the white guy scores higher on exams, but the organization/company in question lacks a quota of black dudes/people? The black guy gets the job... that is WRONG!
Nothing's perfect, but those are my 2 bitches about it.
BUT, back on track:
NOW, I imagine, like anyone might, think that they say to themselves "Why work @ Burger King, making $100/week, when I can do XYZ (crime) and make $1,000/week"...
(Most likely, this IS the case - taking the path of least resistance to make a living, most folks do of ANY race imo: Work "smarter", not harder in effect).
BOTTOM-LINE THOUGH:
Black folks in the U.S.A. @ least afaik & see, have had theirs fight for this nation in the armed forces & paid with their blood & lives!
So they have the right to be here as much as anyone.
So lay off the racial shit man!
(Stating that crap just really makes you seem stupider than you say black folks are, which some of them are VERY intelligent & successful!)
APK
P.S.=> See, I've heard the same shit my entire life @ times (racial slurs etc./et all), because of the "Tribe" I am a descendant of, & @ times it bothers me!
So I imagine it would be the same for any black people reading what you wrote... apk" - by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 14 2006, @08:59AM (#15128564)
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Disprove I said that too please... good luck!
It's quite old from me, & my take on "the N word" being said here by others like DocHoncho here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2367798&cid=37011784 !
APK
P.S.=> You're right, & I only tell is how it is, how I have seen it, by actually LIVING in the "inner urban" area, & I judge a man by what he shows me, not his skin color, as I did here championing a black man too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2367798&cid=37012014
... apk
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=183054&cid=15128564
REQUOTING MYSELF vs.a real racist named ringbarer here on /. no less (After others used the "N word" here as DocHoncho has here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2367798&cid=37011784 ):
---
"Man, listen up please:
I suppose that you can say what you want about black folks in this nation (U.S.A.) because you DO have the right to free speech...
HOWEVER, they are not ALL bad (or, ALL good, just like other races).
There does tend to be a propensity for crime amongst them, there's no doubt of that in their neighborhoods in cities (I live in one that has gone from primarily caucasian to negro in content/population in fact over a decade now & I do see that everyday in fact, there is much to be said about it and it does seem to ring true).
Still, that is not something I understand WHY it happens fully...
What does bother me is 2 things:
1.) They often say we enslaved them (it's true, & shameful, but my family came "off the boat" in the 1950's to the states, so we had NOTHING to do with that), but often times from what I understand?
When black tribes went to war, they often took prisoners from the losing tribe & sold them off to slavers...
I.E. -> They sold their OWN into such a life...
&
2.) Also, the fact that if a white guy & a black guy go after a job, if the white guy scores higher on exams, but the organization/company in question lacks a quota of black dudes/people? The black guy gets the job... that is WRONG!
Nothing's perfect, but those are my 2 bitches about it.
BUT, back on track:
NOW, I imagine, like anyone might, think that they say to themselves "Why work @ Burger King, making $100/week, when I can do XYZ (crime) and make $1,000/week"...
(Most likely, this IS the case - taking the path of least resistance to make a living, most folks do of ANY race imo: Work "smarter", not harder in effect).
BOTTOM-LINE THOUGH:
Black folks in the U.S.A. @ least afaik & see, have had theirs fight for this nation in the armed forces & paid with their blood & lives!
So they have the right to be here as much as anyone.
So lay off the racial shit man!
(Stating that crap just really makes you seem stupider than you say black folks are, which some of them are VERY intelligent & successful!)
APK
P.S.=> See, I've heard the same shit my entire life @ times (racial slurs etc./et all), because of the "Tribe" I am a descendant of, & @ times it bothers me!
So I imagine it would be the same for any black people reading what you wrote... apk" - by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 14 2006, @08:59AM (#15128564)
---
Disprove I said that too please... good luck! It's from 1/2 a decade ago here no less...
It's quite old from me, & my take on "the N word" being said here by others like DocHoncho here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2367798&cid=37011784 !
APK
P.S.=> You're right, & I only tell is how it is, how I have seen it, by actually LIVING in the "inner urban" area, & I judge a man by what he shows me, not his skin color, as I did here championing a black man too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2367798&cid=37012014
... apk
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=183054&cid=15128564
REQUOTING MYSELF vs.a real racist named ringbarer here on /. no less (After others used the "N word" here as DocHoncho has here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2367798&cid=37011784 ):
---
"Man, listen up please:
I suppose that you can say what you want about black folks in this nation (U.S.A.) because you DO have the right to free speech...
HOWEVER, they are not ALL bad (or, ALL good, just like other races).
There does tend to be a propensity for crime amongst them, there's no doubt of that in their neighborhoods in cities (I live in one that has gone from primarily caucasian to negro in content/population in fact over a decade now & I do see that everyday in fact, there is much to be said about it and it does seem to ring true).
Still, that is not something I understand WHY it happens fully...
What does bother me is 2 things:
1.) They often say we enslaved them (it's true, & shameful, but my family came "off the boat" in the 1950's to the states, so we had NOTHING to do with that), but often times from what I understand?
When black tribes went to war, they often took prisoners from the losing tribe & sold them off to slavers...
I.E. -> They sold their OWN into such a life...
&
2.) Also, the fact that if a white guy & a black guy go after a job, if the white guy scores higher on exams, but the organization/company in question lacks a quota of black dudes/people? The black guy gets the job... that is WRONG!
Nothing's perfect, but those are my 2 bitches about it.
BUT, back on track:
NOW, I imagine, like anyone might, think that they say to themselves "Why work @ Burger King, making $100/week, when I can do XYZ (crime) and make $1,000/week"...
(Most likely, this IS the case - taking the path of least resistance to make a living, most folks do of ANY race imo: Work "smarter", not harder in effect).
BOTTOM-LINE THOUGH:
Black folks in the U.S.A. @ least afaik & see, have had theirs fight for this nation in the armed forces & paid with their blood & lives!
So they have the right to be here as much as anyone.
So lay off the racial shit man!
(Stating that crap just really makes you seem stupider than you say black folks are, which some of them are VERY intelligent & successful!)
APK
P.S.=> See, I've heard the same shit my entire life @ times (racial slurs etc./et all), because of the "Tribe" I am a descendant of, & @ times it bothers me!
So I imagine it would be the same for any black people reading what you wrote... apk" - by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 14 2006, @08:59AM (#15128564)
---
Disprove I said that too please... good luck! It's from 1/2 a decade ago here no less...
It's quite old from me, & my take on "the N word" being said here by others like DocHoncho here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2367798&cid=37011784 !
APK
P.S.=> You're right, & I only tell is how it is, how I have seen it, by actually LIVING in the "inner urban" area, & I judge a man by what he shows me, not his skin color, as I did here championing a black man too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2367798&cid=37012014
... apk
A black man (an OUTSTANDING one) here? http://broncotalk.net/2009/08/8572/broncos-news/finally-floyd-little-gets-his-shot/
WHAT I POSTED, VERBATIM:
---
"Floyd Little was an OUTSTANDING "combined threat" who could run with the best of them (iirc, only O.J. Simpson gained more yards from 1967-1973 for example running the ball), catch with the best of them, and even return kicks (and block great too). What more do people want? A great football player SHOULD be in the "Hall of Fame", & this guy? Was one of the all-time greats (& the rushing charts @ the time of his retirement showed that much)... APK"
---
* I judge a man by his deeds/accomplishments, & to the worthy/just, I give credit AND SUPPORT (he made it into the Hall of Fame iirc, by the by, also).
APK
P.S.=> Answer my question... thank you! apk
Someone else told me that too, & I love dogs (even though I have a kitten now, she's the one that woke me up along with the windows crashing stuff down when he tried it (kitten licked my face to wake me during a nap in fact, she does every a.m. around 5 a.m. in fact, good cat)).
I grew up with pooches, & you're right - they will LAY DOWN THEIR LIVES FOR YOU, gratis, as long as you feed & love them... gotta love dogs!
* I think you posted in the wrong spot though man... you replied to "ObsessiveMathsFreak", not I! No biggie, I got your point, & thank you for reminding me of that... going to "get on it" actually & save some poor good animal's life hopefully!
APK
P.S.=> I've said this here, AND many other times online in diff. forums:
"DOGS ARE BETTER PEOPLE THAN PEOPLE!"
(And, unfortunately for us humans? I meant it...)
... apk
Blacks didn't arrive on America in chains. That is propoganda trying to assert that Blacks are a primitive dangerous kind of people that only belong in Africa. There is plenty of evidence that there have been Blacks living on America long before Europeans arrive, and I am referring to documented legends of explorations parallel to Leif Ericson and such. If you think everything you read in History Books from The United States is true, well let me remind you that The United States forces children to attend school at the point of a gun and starts wars in foreign countries with intention to lose their most devoted citizen the army soldier. Anyone that believes Blacks arrived to America in chains by the Europeans is obviously someone that is harboring the same kind of subversive Statist religion that pushed American TRUE indians onto reservations which enjoy the highest mortality rate greater and lowest lifespan than even Blacks worldwide.
The fact about blacks is the ones that did arrive in chains were bought out of their prior slavery of their own kind and brought into a different kind of nullifiable slavery that was religious-based. And to make my statement plain, the first kind of actual slavery on America was prior to the United States ever existing when back in the Colonies there was a Black man named Anthony Johnson of Northampton Virginia that enslaved another Black man. Foremost, he was a perpetual slave unlike the kind of slaver prosecuted by the United States who either owed debts they wouldn't pay or were severely violent thugs. Durring the Confederacy, more slaves were manumit (dissolved title of ownership) by Confederates declaring them equal and good standing along with receiving a well-endowed firearm and moving onto farming as actual cattle owneders, whereas The United did a counter-process known as "emancipationg " which tranfers title of ownership in contrast to manumit being the proper "dissolving" that title. The other well known aspects of slavers were that durring the 1800's in the heyday of State Independence were Black women owning Black men perpetually and of'course this was before the Civil War and at a time when slavery to Whites was more bearable because those debts were dischargable by time whereas slavery to another Black was no-different than a tradition brought from Africa. Her name was .
Focussing on the Blacks that so-called "arrived in chains" is that despite how much disorder they are in and have caused others is they are still better than the Blacks that pushed them here. Seriously, at the sub-concious level, Blacks require more training because the differences between themselves and others is so meticulous that they just need to not be distracted being around others not after their kind.
At the criminal level, they are not as efficient and discreet concerning untracable violent crimes is because they simply have more winding in their mind that prevents them from undertaking such act of aggression as compared to other races. Take for instance the Wichita Massacre as only heard on broadcast at the following URL http://www.natvan.com/internet-radio/ts/101902.mp3 and consider the fact that as back in Africa and now brought to America is the Black man in chains that uses Rape as a weapon of war soley to spread schizophrenia if not viral diseases.
Whatever argument you had with the prior troll, it is all invalidatable. At a community-level, the only reason why Blacks haven't made it into the History books of the most atrocities is because their primitive abilities hampered by a short attention span prevents them from progressing their education into a more efficient killing machine. This is like saying the reason why the most evil of Brittanic Whites had the cruelist image is because they have supplanted reason into their wickedness as the sole endorsement of a more efficient killing machine; such as allowing a diseased man to return to a country where to spread that disease along with the
See subject-line, and I suggest you disprove the news articles & more from the link posted, ok? See my p.s. below, because I gave up after 10 pages of reading it... why?? I have SEEN it, first hand, living in the inner urban area MOST OF MY LIFE... it's no surprise to me, seen it...
* So, on that note? See subject-line, first, & GOOD luck disproving what's in my p.s. below based on actual news &/or police reports... you'll NEED it...
Above ALL else also?
Man... I never said "all blacks are bad", in fact, FAR FROM IT (see my p.s. in the post you replied to for one, & here are others):
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2367798&cid=37011968
AND
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2367798&cid=37012094
Despite the trolls here trying to "put words in my mouth I never stated" once... poor tactic, along with their usual ILLOGICAL adhominem attacks directed my way!
(No, you're trying to "outsmart" someone with an entire ARSENAL of facts in defense of myself, & more importantly, some concrete, undeniable truths based on actual news reports/police reports & more below...!))
APK
P.S.=> Again, for your reference:
http://niggermania.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?25-Nigger-Crime/page2&s=6071a5dce4dbeb67a9f79f83012cf007&order=desc
I don't post there, nor did I name that site (as others seem to have tried to insinuate to me here, PCM &/or DocHoncho who called them "The 'N word'" but I never have (polish here, been called "polack" enough times to KNOW better than doing the same))...
HOWEVER, it was pointed out to me once I rented a property of mine to blacks, & I was defending them actually to my neighbors in fact, my mistake!
I tried to give them a better life & rent to they in this nice part of this neighborhood I live in & own properties in, &?
Well - They have systematically destroyed the house interior, attempted to rob myself, 2 of my neighbors (trespass etc.), & set fires in the home itself & in places they lived before it (found that out a couple days back too)) - then, destroyed a garden of mine they KNOW I worked hard on in retaliation & threatened my life + properties (caught on a 911 phone call 2-3 days ago no less))!
Yea... this was my "reward"? No thank you...
... apk
Hence why in my past I have defended & championed GOOD blacks & chastised others for reprehensible racist behavior on this very site no less (polish here, heard "stupid polack" many times in my life but I know better about myself):
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2367798&cid=37012118
and
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2367798&cid=37012094
APK
P.S.=>
"This individual is acting this way because he / she is an ignorant, uneducated dumbass...not because of his/her Race. Keep that in mind as you evict the retarded m'fer." - by capn_mc_escher (1016966) on Sunday August 07, @12:29AM (#37012222) Homepage
No doubt, & so much so, that while I was on the phone with the 911 system which gets recorded & afaik IS ADMISSIBLE IN COURT because the police make the recordings they threatened my LIFE & PROPERTIES!
I mean, right then while I called 911 in my doorway (& while the neighbors did also I found out)?
They:
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1.) Threatened my LIFE
2.) Threatened my properties with destruction
3.) & have wrecked them AFTER even... & what they've done to the property itself (destroyed much inside, set fires, attempted robberies/trespass police reports & more too not only of myself, but my neighbors also)...
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This I suspect, per my attorney, is going to result in a criminal mischief felony for they in fact I wager, per my attorney & FAR more such as child abuse, lack of supervision, & possibly welfare fraud too (this I am having looked into now)...
... apk
He's just like PCM2 who was EXACTLY what I suspected: A suburbanite trying to tell me "HOW IT IS" when he himself doesn't even live (& I suspect hasn't lived) in an inner urban environs as I have most of my days on this planet... he hasn't SEEN the "uglies" of it (there's GOOD too, but the ugly is incredible). He's simply ignorant. In a way, I feel great for they, being "out of it", but then again, being ignorant of it, & talking out of their behinds? Worst thing a person can DO is speak from lack of experience - because they're EXACTLY who gets victimized & robbed I have found... in most anything imo!
"No teh math freak was giving us the classic liberal "Its teh system keeping teh black man down!" bullshit and I wanted to let him know it was indeed bullshit." - by hairyfeet (841228) on Sunday August 07, @02:19AM (#37012520)
Far from it, & same with "white trash" too. Put it this way: I know for a fact even a felon can do well in society if they reform themselves, get educated, get work, save & try hard. It's bullshit when I hear "the system is keeping me down" - fine, then DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, because bitching doesn't solve a damn thing 9/10 times... but, efforts usually do!
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"i know plenty of good black folks that got the fuck away from the ghettos, busted their asses in school, got a decent education, started businesses or worked their way up, same as everybody else." - by hairyfeet (841228) on Sunday August 07, @02:19AM (#37012520)
Exactly, as do I... & when an (insert skin color here) does great things? I admire & respect them (as I have shown here in fact) + even SUPPORT THEM for it.
The power of "great people" is inspiring others, not just their good-great deeds/accomplishments - in fact, I think that's their GREATEST ACCOMPLISHMENT, inspiring the rest of us to be better men/women, because we all have potentials for it, even in little things (the biggest things of all imo).
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"the "Its teh system!" white guilt bullshit hurts the blacks as much as the whites as it just gives excuses to the "thug life"ers." - by hairyfeet (841228) on Sunday August 07, @02:19AM (#37012520)
You sound like you've had some BAD experiences with blacks... the stuff going on here? Not a first in the property in question either - another young black did the same years ago & got shot at a few times for it & ran (he was caught by policemen after trying it a second time (when he was shot at in fact)). He was hitting every house on this block & my brother wanted to do some things ontop of that!
(I stopped him though - he's a great man whom I respect & yes, love, but also FEAR... he's literally HUGE (think Capt. America from the film, same build) & VERY dangerous (martial artist, military combat & weapons, you-name-it), & the military has made him so as well as a bronze-star decorated Officer & a Gentleman - trust me: NOBODY to "mess with"... & his best pals in highschool? Blacks - he is an EXPERT on them, from the inside, & knows what they respect/fear, as do I... but the law ties your hands. I won't let a great man throw his life out for trash in other words... no way!)).
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""Oh its not the fact i'm slinging dope while carrying a 9mm with tats all over myself, nope its teh man keepin teh black man down!" horseshit." - by hairyfeet (841228) on Sunday August 07, @02:19AM (#37012520)
OH, trust me: I live around it (only a few blocks off) & see it daily... I hear sirens every few minutes, & gunshots go off like MAD around here, especially @ night. It's that way, but, I *think* enough people are starting to do what I am doing to get rid of it, piece-by-piece where they can & cleaning up the neighborhood's homes too (many are improving their "lots in life" is what I am seeing, especially the oriental folks around here (they're amazin
Perhaps intentionally I suspect, but... He's right about economic imbalance though, I have to give he that... but, he doesn't mention it IS A FIGHT for resources, & though he also alludes to the fact (or not) that some use "nefarious unfair means" to achieve their goals of wealth? Others do not & go slower/steady about it.
I mean, for example (from another system changing forms of energy as monies change hands) - Nature even works on equilibrium in energy patterns on the planet to maintain harmony - this is NOT in place & I think banks are largely to blame as well as the corporatocracy (after all, Amschel Rothchild, ancestor to one of the FED's founders no less (the FED itself's NOT federal, or even really legal (no full house/senate (congress) EVER approved it for starters) said:
"Give me control of a nation's money supply & I care not who makes it's laws"
This I DO place blame on both our corporate leaders & governmental leaders for though (as well as all of us, most folks are just beginnning to "wake up" to the fact that economically the USA is in trouble). After all - they ARE the controllers & rules makers + "referees". They are NOT doing their jobs & the results show now (US lost its Triple/AAA credit rating for example 2 days ago).
Yes - Everything comes from the top & at home (where we are initially shaped in the 1st 2-4 yrs. of our lives).
From what I have seen now over a lifetime? Since the early 1990's, MANY of our leaders are truly "the best money can REALLY buy" many times (think corporate lobbyists & bribes to dirty politicians), & use the "revolving door" to get into political power, change laws to profit by them, & back to corporate world again (once they rig things)... think Darth Cheney as the PRIME example thereof.
BUT THAT IS SYSTEMS, NOT INDIVIDUALS, & THERE IS ALWAYS A WAY TO BETTER YOUR LIFE... may take time, I've been there & done it largely via education & work experience... so, trying to blame others for "the systems' keeping me down" is BULLSHIT!
* That I agree with you on, by all means, when it comes to the individual.
(Personally, I *think* we're on the verge of a GREAT CHANGE in world society, & very soon... mark my words on this in fact!)
APK
P.S.=> Still, that doesn't mean one cannot fight or work his way out of a ghetto &/or being a scumbag product.
Everyone is entitled to make a mistake now & then, but, trick is CAN YOU PULL YOURSELF UP BY YOUR SHOESTRINGS & CHANGE IT?
Change, good change, starts with the individual, & nobody's going to tell me it cannot be done (I am sure most of you have had some adversity in your lives & turned it around - I absolutely KNOW I have, & IF I CAN DO IT? So can anyone else!))...
... apk
As per usual for most of what you've said here, hairyfeet. Had a long discussion with a guy @ the store about all of this as well, & he's DEEP IN THE HEART of the "Ghetto" around here not too far from I... he amazed me @ how much HE KNEW, & he told me "You know, I never was into this stuff, but lately because it's harming me, I have to be..."
I really DO have to agree with he on imbalance of power, real power, which IS money in the world economic system we have... it never EVER ends up being righteous. Not really.
(This is how it starts - awareness!)
* Sometimes, it means "chopping out the cancer" @ its roots, which is what I am about here, & also trying to determine its causation as well (secondary though on this latter note).
APK
P.S.=> If the folks @ the top would fix the economy (i.e. spending on stupid wars, actually being qualified for DOING their jobs (which is solving problems, which politicians are not trained for mind you, only "the art of compromise" which means nobody wins or is happy), & OUTSOURCING JOBS (which cripples the economy by removing spenders/consumers, which in turn wrecks companies (& the "international market"'s NOT doing it either))? Then, MOST of what we've been bitching about here, would most likely HOPEFULLY, stop... because nobody I have EVER met in the street or otherwise, wants to really be a drug-dealer or bank robber, etc. (then again, I don't like talking "absolutes" either - because prisons nowadays are LARGELY PRIVATIZED & a big money industry, so it PAYS THEIR STOCKHOLDERS TO HAVE THE IN-OUT REVOLVING DOOR SYSTEM IN PLACE WITH RECIDIVISTIC CRIMINALS as well as a "law-enforcement system + judicial process" that fosters it))... no, things are a LOT more "f'd up" from the "top" (& that's NOT politicians people) than most folks care to realize - personally, I think the biggest criminals in HISTORY are out there "running the show now" & showing that they're NOT VERY GOOD @ IT, not for the masses @ least (but then, they never were in it for that... to they? There are NO FLAGS!))...
... apk
First, a disclaimer: I don't know the correct terms since English is not my mother tongue, but bear with me for a moment. :P
This is quite a deviation from gang violence. Those are characterized by value cohesion (even if they are counter-cultural values), and a strict hierarchy and police within the group.
I also read a study from François Dubet, and these acts are somewhat like the "incivilités" of France, in which violence is directed against anything that represents the state, like parks or stuff like that.
I find the best equivalent to be the "barderos" from Argentina. These are groups that are non-cohesive and amoral, in the sense that legal and illegal acts are performed and legitimated. Interestingly, while robbery and violence are accepted, drugs are not, because the need for higher organization and control goes backwards to the way these groups operate. There isn't a sense of belonging, just an instrumental need for a group, and they see it as a way to preserve social ties with a neighborhood that has forsaken them, not as a way to get revenge.
These groups originate mainly because of (a) social/economic exclusion and (b) income distribution inequality. You don't want to leave this problem unattended for more than 10 years, because then the parents' values don't pass onto their children. Implementing a curfew is as useful as praying. They must provide work and education/training for the teenagers and their parents. If they can't get a decent job (of the kind that provides true social mobility), then this problem perpetuates itself, as they only get access to low-income, high-risk, precarious jobs. Also, they must narrow the gap between rich and poor people (there is a higher correlation between income distribution inequality and violence than between unemployment and violence). Just remove the tax breaks for the rich and watch the country flourish.
I rarely respond to comments. Also, don't ask for clarifications: a brain and Google are faster, believe me!
See subject-line, & you're dead up right on all accounts noted, no questions asked - the worst part is, it feels like dirt I can't "wash off"... this entire experience. It really bugged me some they would stoop to destroying a bunch of helpless plants though in the garden. Plants don't do anything wrong, & they don't fight back... Ordinarily, I would, but I cannot (this bothers me the MOST actually).
In any event, I am going to have the legal system try to do its best & I am pressing every matter I noted (criminal mischief felony charges, possible welfare fraud, & utter removal of the thieves & pyros as well as "thug4life" type mentality I saw revealed finally (did a good job of hiding it on their end for a month though, but it finally revealed itself)).
That link I posted that has actual news reports & police reports about the type you speak of, that was pointed out to me - Well, if you read it, from the sounds of what your thoughts are on this subject??
I wouldn't recommend reading it. You'll be even more upset.
I am honestly trying NOT to be, but pretty much all of what you've noted has gone on here and it bends me up to hell, really, Really, REALLY BADLY. I try not to let it though, because then, they win.
You get it?
Anyhow, unless those 2 fools DocHonco & PCM2 post again, I am taking a break from this one. It's gotten me even worse worked up over this situation. 8 days from now, it's hopefully going to be all over though, thank the merciful Lord, hopefully.
APK
P.S.=> Thanks for understanding & the advisement on your part also - I only now, finally & fully, understand where you are coming from, albeit "the hard way"! Sucks, it really does... Yea, I didn't like "the lesson" of it (my neighbor told me "You're going to get an education man, and not one you'll like!"... boy, was HE RIGHT!)
... apk