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Philly Answers Youth Flash Mobs With Curfew Enforcement
Not that it's the first city to enforce a youth curfew, and not that kids on a crime-spree is the only variety of moral panic offered as a rationale, but Philadelphia is cracking down through increased enforcement of a youth curfew law after children and teenagers attacked two people in the Center City district — attacks which, according to police, were coordinated via text messaging.
And in this case, it wasn't really a flash mob at all, it was just a gang of hoodlums.
This story doesn't seem relevant to this site at all to me.
"There is no excuse for young people to be able to participate in coordinated, violent behavior if parents are doing their job. It is your responsibility, not the government's, to watch your kids."
There is no excuse for Philly police to be unable to catch coordinated, violent criminals, no matter what size the criminals are.
What if the parents are responsible and little Johnny has shown enough maturity to stay out late without a helicopter mom hovering nearby?
In the land of the free, I guess it's a crime to be out after 10 PM.
...everyone is aware that's not what a 'flash mob' is, right?
There are law enforcement issues issues with 'flash mobs', specifically, they work very well as a pre-scheduled distraction for the police, and can even be used for help with escape.
At some point, I suspect that will happen, that some bank robber wearing a clown outfit will actually escape into a flash mob of clowns, and everyone participating in the flash mob will be charged as an 'attractive nuisance', which is legal speak for 'behaving so stupidly that you make the job of criminals easier', and this whole 'flash mob' thing will die out, or at least the anonymous ones.
However, thugs that know each other, coordinating an attack via text messages, is not a 'flash mob'.
If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
Not many Republicans running Philly.
It's all the Tea party's fault? Come on, you've got the wrong narrative here. The "flash mobs" are African-Americans, and this new enforcement is just racism. Philadelphia is a highly liberal area. Of course, the idea that liberals are using the thug police to oppress African-Americans is bound to cause some cognitive dissonance, but it's nothing that reading some Marx won't cure.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Because the second link was a bit light on information and the NY Times still seems to think that dumbass John Street is still the mayor of Philadelphia I give you the local source. http://www.philly.com/philly/news/pennsylvania/126902753.html it really was a shame what they did to one of those guys but this is hardly a flash mob. What somone had a cell phone and all of a sudden it's "News for Nerds"? Please. I don't even live in Philadelphia (anymore) and I know it's not safe to walk around downtown at 10:00PM. Brotherly Love my ass.
"We are just a war away from Amerikastan. When god vs god the undoing of man." Dave Mustaine
Which would, presumably, explain why the Democrat government of Philadelphia decided to impose a curfew and then to enforce it?
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
Google black flash mob and you'll see this is becoming a more frequent and frightening phenomenon. The one previous to this was at the Wisconsin State Fair. Here's the link if you think I'm lying http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/126828998.html
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As a Philadelphian, I can vouch that a flash mob in Philly is not the same thing as a flash mob that you see on AT&T advertising campaigns. While a flash mob may make you think of a bunch of people dancing in unison to some obscure pop culture reference in a large public area, a Philadelphia flash mob is a band of nearly feral minority teenagers whose parent wants to get their drink on and expels them for the night from their section 8 houses in North Philadelphia. They then flood down in droves to the Center City business district and Old City/South Street area, where they attack people at random.
I am sorry if that comes off as bitter and slightly racist. I was involved in one of these on South Street a few months ago...the fear you feel is absolutely indescribable when you realize that kids as young as 10 were raised in a way where they feel assaulting and robbing people at random is an acceptable Saturday night activity.
I remember back when I was 17. I would think to myself, "If only there was a time of year where there was no school and I could get a job to earn some extra cash."
I hope one day future generations could have some kind of vacation in the summer where they could work to earn extra money, even if it involves the occasional late shift.
We can talk about rights all we want, but the fact here is that what we're experiencing here is the criminal element stripping our rights away. Being unable to safely walk somewhere late at night constitutes a loss of freedom. The problem is that Americans are so used to this sort of garbage that they don't even see the problem. But I lived overseas where I could walk the streets at 3am without a care in the world. It wasn't that crime was non-existent but it didn't factor into normal routine. Sketchy neighborhoods were rare.
But the problem here is that American law enforcement is reactive, not proactive. The approach taken to crime is similar to how oppressive regimes keep sectarian conflict in check: oppression. I don't mean that Americans practice anything nearly that severe. What I mean is that they address problems with aggressive tactics; increased police presence, more arrests, etc. That only addresses the symptoms and once they're gone the problems return. And making matters worse is that this approach dehumanizes police offices, it turns them into this faceless force. They don't interact nearly enough with communities. They should patrol on foot, not in police cars.
However, the real problem are parents. Too many parents have abrogated their responsibilities. They don't care what their kids are doing, because if they did that kid wouldn't be out on the streets in the middle of the night. So, the responsibility ends up being foisted on the government. And what the government decides isn't always in the best interests of the citizens, especially when they're looking for quick results. Those quick results are effective over the current election cycle, but they never address the long term problems.
But the fact is the United States is suffering from serious cultural issues that perpetuates things like crime. Those need to be addressed properly, but honestly, I don't know see who could disagree with the benefits of enjoying safer streets, less vandalism, etc. But I suppose it's the tendency for Americans to want to stick it to the man, to the point of being irrational about it.
So, on one hand you want to be free, complain about the curfew as well as police having ability to enforce it.
On the other hand, you want police to take care of child criminals, absolving parents from responsibility.
Have you ever heard a saying "you can't have your cake and eat it too"?
the same things happen in other parts to the world, and it's not black kids doing it, it's poor kids doing it
the POVERTY is the issue, not the race
it's just revealing to me to see the right constantly falling into race based thinking, rather than class based thinking
it reveals the right doesn't understand the problems you create when you push social policies that create a large poor under class, rather than policies that support the growth of the middle class
the right pushes policies that makes people poor, and then they see poor people doing things because of their lame policies
and yet, they don't think "poor kids did this and that", they think "black kids did this and that"
very revealing
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
it's a problem with poverty
the overseas places you are talking about are rich places. there are also rich places you can walk around at 3 am in the usa
go to the favelas in rio, the slums outside mumbai or manila or cairo or nairobi, and you tell me again criminals running roughshod over your rights is some sort of american phenomenon
ridiculous
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Except that those are two different scenarios. On one hand, they don't want police enforcing a curfew. On the other hand, they want police to take care of the few people that actually commit crimes. The latter has little to do with the former.
Filthy, filthy copyrapists!
It bugs me the way older generations seem to expect young people to stay at home all day, and then think it strange when the go out and do these sort of things. This is a time when people are trying to make a name for themselves and decide who whey will become, people who want to be spineless, worthless stackers will sit at home and watch TV, but there are a lot of people who want more than that for themselves, and when this is the only real option they have, it's what they turn to.
Junior, West Virginia, a city so small it gets missed on a lot of maps, has a curfew law for everyone under the age of 21. Though not part of the curfew, usually suspicious vehicles or individuals are checked out quickly at night. Efforts to strike it down (all one of them that I've been told) failed.
The reason is that Junior has a problem with backwoods drug manufacturing and dealing. Like, massive, to the point that regular night time trafficking and drug use were becoming a safety issue for the entirety of the small town. Most people not on the main drag there are actually in the lower bracket of what we consider middle-class ~ around $17000 a year salary gross, but large when it only takes a steady $6000 to live in a rented home in the entire county, and often less.
The people being criminals were the richest people in town. They were not black. (other arguments on this story)
Worse still that the county seat recently had some of the cops outed, for what I'm told is complicity with the local drug market. Basically everyone and their brother has their hands up in that crap, and it's pretty harsh if you ever get tied up with it. These big cities should at least be grateful it's out in the open where it can be addressed.
You're wrong about one thing. It isn't their fault people have been giving them shit for free their whole lives. And when someone gets something for free, they naturally learn to expect it. Their expectations are completely rational and warranted as a result. The social programs are at fault, and the recipients of the social services are as much victims of system as anybody. We never should have expected a different result form the individuals involved.
If you're under 18 in the US, that's illegal in pretty much every state, unless you're in some exception, like working for your parents or yourself...
I live in a neighborhood that's going through that kind of thing & I am also in process evicting some blacks from properties I own for being late on payments and destroying my property piece by piece, as well as trespassing & attempted robberies of my neighbors' homes too in this particular property.
They called me a "cracker m'f'er" when I told them to move their things from that home's basement (not in rental agreement, was just a nicety I offered), & EVEN threatened me while I was on the phone with "911" saying:
"I am going to f up your shit" and "I am going to f you up"
(How STUPID can you be? This occurred while I am on the phone with 911 & this is being recorded by the police while it happened... I could not believe it! My neighbors to that property also heard & witnessed to the same thing, calling 911 as well. Nothing was done because it's a "civil matter").
Then, they destroyed a garden of mine in "retaliation" (to which I followed my attorney's instructions to the letter, called the police & filed a report for felony criminal mischief). This was expected by my attorney in fact, I did not think it would happen. It did. He has experience here. He has the report filed & is filing/pressing criminal mischief felony charges.
They took off for days now, & have not been back in fact.
(I.E.-> Once they were spotted wrecking my gardens, they yanked their air conditioners & ran it seems thusfar!)
The city marshall came by today and posted the eviction notices on the property, etc./ et al, & told me:
"Get them out as fast as you can, you have a nice place here".
He was a nice man. All the police have been thusfar and told me pretty much the same. They also tell me that landlord-tenant laws ties their hands and they would have removed them if not for that.
See, the same officers showed up as before who filed the report when one of the "children" of the tenants was caught by myself breaking into another place I own, as well as my finding out he had done the same to a neighboring home also, and attempted to do so to yet another neighbors' home as well.
This prompted child protective services calls on the advisement of the police for a "lack of supervision" (as well as child abuse because I hear them getting beaten quite regularly as well). I don't mean little spankings either, I mean full blown BEATINGS (I can hear them screaming from another residence in fact).
Still, what bothers ME the MOST?
Well - My hands are tied, and I cannot use "other means" to stop them, until the eviction court date, as they destroy things in retaliation and I am not allowed to do anything DIRECTLY about it.
That, is bullshit.
I told the police if anything were to happen here, in them attempting to attack my person (with others they know also most likely), then, I would have to 'defend myself to the fullest extent' & they said "Feel free to do so" (clearly meaning they know what I am dealing with and what I would like to do in response).
My entire neighborhood wants them gone in fact, and are heading into court with me on the date of it soon... I am also pressing felony criminal mischief charges, but it's a shame I cannot do to they what they are doing to my properties & getting away with it (destroying things). I am not kidding. They do it, get away with it, & until that court date? My hands ARE TIED.
It's total bullshit.
APK
P.S.=> So, as you can see? Well - I am with you, 100%, from REAL EXPERIENCE, right now, hairyfeet... it's happening around me right now as I write this to you. I am fully insured thank goodness at least and all the property & taxes are paid up in full, so, the police are more than willing to help & park their vehicles here now not even a few feet away from the properties in fact @ night... it's insane!
Now, I know what I'd LIKE to do, to stop this, but the law ties my hands, the police's hands, & even child protective services' hands (
1.) How come neighborhoods blacks live in become run down, crime ridden, & drug infested hell holes most every time (from what I have seen around here that is certain)?
They become run down because black neighborhoods are marginalized by the political process (think gerrymandering). They also become run down because they are poor (think property taxes). They become crime ridden and drug infested because the people who live there are poor, have few opportunities, and can find no way to escape (think Detroit).
2.) How come whites came to this nation & fluorished by comparison largely (creating the nation of the USA in all its greatness, yes, even now)??
Are you out of your mind? Whites "fluorished" because they built this nation on free slave labor. Blacks came to this nation in chains. You see the difference, yes?
3.) Explain what is here then:
Really? You expect me to explain what's on a site called "Niggermania.net"? Explain your racism and ignorance yourself, because I have no excuses for you.
Now - You complain of slavery, but the africans themselves also sold their own people as slaves
You are an ignorant racist. Learn your history.
Well, they tried to rob my & my neighbors' home, destroyed properties of mine when I notified I am evicting them (going on now in fact), & more (calling me "cracker m'fer" & more etc.) as well as threatening my life & properties... apk
And if it was a white guy who tried to rob you, what "them" would you be talking about? Your life is a tragic case, all right ... seek counseling for your rage issues, then educate yourself.
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Dude, you're arguing with the most trollingest troll ever. This guy is a dyed in the wool moron who will respond to your ever post with an incoherent mixture of words and meaningless punctuation. Sorry man but YHBT.
I know it, and I'm pretty much stopping now, but you know... there's just certain things that I don't feel you should let slide. I'm not trying to convince this guy of anything. I'm trying to let him make a fool of himself. Whether he's a troll or not, his bullshit stays on /. forever. I'd rather his legacy be looking like a clown than helping make /. the kind of place where racists can come to get their rocks off. There are plenty of sites for that.
(And troll-dude, FWIW, I've posted a couple GNAA trolls myself in my time -- funny ones, too -- but this kind of racist horseshit crosses a line. It's not funny, it's just dumb.)
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