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Anti-Piracy Lawyers Accuse Blind Man of Downloading Films

souravzzz writes "As the mass-lawsuits against BitTorrent users in the United States drag on, detail on the collateral damage this extortion-like scheme is costing becomes clear. It is likely that thousands of people have been wrongfully accused of sharing copyrighted material, yet they see no other option than to pay up. One of the cases that stands out is that of a California man who's incapable of watching the adult film he is accused of sharing because he is legally blind."

302 comments

  1. Wait a minute... by SpeZek · · Score: 5, Funny

    What if the movie he downloaded caused his blindness in the first place!? Check his palms!

    1. Re:Wait a minute... by EdIII · · Score: 1

      I was just thinking he was a pervert listen to women masturbating and might actually be guilty of the crime.

      Not that I have a problem with him being a pervert, listening to women masturbating, or pirating the film.

      Really just curious how big is the collection of this dirty perverted and blind pirate.

    2. Re:Wait a minute... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And considering how confusing the porn sites are - how did he find anything at all?

    3. Re:Wait a minute... by kentsex · · Score: 0

      He's got a job in the network security division of a software company, but didn't have the common sense to set up a password on his WiFi? No wonder he's worried about losing his job.

    4. Re:Wait a minute... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now this is just the level of dumb assed comments you come to expect from the slapshot generation , Maybe if you lot stopped trying to be smart arsed wankers and got on with control of those obvious troll companies the USA would be a better place, Right now it is full of money grabbing shit heads and tossers that have zero moral fiber.
       

    5. Re:Wait a minute... by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      How does any of what you said make him a pervert? I'm sorry but the one who falls a couple standard deviations out is YOU. Go back to your church/mosque and fantasize about raping little boys and all the other things you know you're "not allowed" to do, and leave us non perverts alone.

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    6. Re:Wait a minute... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder what might be pervert in listening to women masturbating?

    7. Re:Wait a minute... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have a problem with it but you still call him the derogatory word 'pervert'?
      Go away.

    8. Re:Wait a minute... by fancydresscostumes · · Score: 1

      Haha, dead on! Check his collection quick!

    9. Re:Wait a minute... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh come on, did you have to bring Uwe Boll into this?!

    10. Re:Wait a minute... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Not sure what kind of URL trickery you're trying to do there, but I substituted the goo.gl code for a known safe one and it didn't work, so you're doing it wrong.

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    11. Re:Wait a minute... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Didn't you know? A pervert is any man whose sex life consists of anything other than fucking his wife, with the lights off, in the missionary position, while still wearing as many clothes as possible, and with no dirty talk.

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    12. Re:Wait a minute... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      With modern technology, even men who fuck their wives are perverts. After all, you can easily conceive a child through artificial means these days, so that no contact between the mother and father is necessary.

    13. Re:Wait a minute... by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Ahh, but that makes you a masturbator, which is even worse than being a pervert. Unless of course you consent to having needles shoved directly into your testicles to remove the sperm, but I'm not sure that would work - sperm (and testicles in general) are a sequestered cell line which means they are not exposed to the body's immune system (just like the inside of your eyeballs funnily enough). So by poking holes in there and letting some tissue come into contact with your blood stream, you're likely to provoke an immune response that will ultimately lead in the body rejecting both testicles and causing sterility after a few months/years. Maybe if they cut your hands off after you masturbate then the invisible sky wizard will let you off the hook...

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    14. Re:Wait a minute... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Unless of course you consent to having needles shoved directly into your testicles to remove the sperm, but I'm not sure that would work - sperm (and testicles in general) are a sequestered cell line which means they are not exposed to the body's immune system (just like the inside of your eyeballs funnily enough). So by poking holes in there and letting some tissue come into contact with your blood stream, you're likely to provoke an immune response that will ultimately lead in the body rejecting both testicles and causing sterility after a few months/years.

      This is nonsense, and sounds like that crazy "science" stuff you non-fundamentalists believe in. Such a thing would only happen if God wanted it to happen, otherwise he'll protect you, just like he protects the snake handlers from being bitten and dying from the poison (well sometimes those people do die, but obviously it's because it was God's will).

    15. Re:Wait a minute... by EdIII · · Score: 1

      you consent to having needles shoved directly into your testicles to remove the sperm

      This is nonsense, and sounds like that crazy "science" stuff you non-fundamentalists believe in. Such a thing would only happen if God wanted it to happen, otherwise he'll protect you,

      Well, not being Christian, or a fundamentalist, but being an atheist that does subscribe to the crazy Science and all that rational, logical, fact based observation shenanigans, I now feel differently about God.

      All I can say if God does exist, and he really is precluding the possibility of needles being shoved directly into my testicles on a regular basis...... Respect for the Great Nizzle.

      Science or not..... knowing there is a higher power that cares about my testicles is actually quite comforting.

    16. Re:Wait a minute... by EdIII · · Score: 1

      Somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

      1) I never said a pervert was a bad thing.
      2) I specifically said I approved of it. Whether or not it was bad.
      3) I am a pervert. So I am Speaking from Authority. Seriously... I have been called as an expert witness in court and have the death sentence in 12 systems.

      It was supposed to be funny, and at that same time, pointing out that blind men are horny bastards like the rest of us and why would they not download and listen to porn, or go to strip clubs, or call 900 numbers?

      I am not religious, but if it requires thoughts or raping little boys and other "not allowed things", then you are certainly not selling me on the idea.

      You mentioned you are a non-pervert. Why? It's great. Come to the dark side... we have cookies and bondage films.

      Maybe you are a pervert, but just don't want to come out and say it? Well I ACCEPT you. Furthermore, I am ONE of you. You are not alone. I don't know what city you are in, or country, but I am sure there are weekly meetings you can attend. They might make you feel better, and even inspire you.

      P.S - The groups are co-ed.

    17. Re:Wait a minute... by EdIII · · Score: 1

      Who said pervert is derogatory? You did. I never considered it to be so.

      Much like Porch Monkey, we are taking it back.

      I think if you are not a pervert, you are the boring kind of person in the sack. Perverts rock. I am honestly befuddled why anyone thought I said otherwise.

  2. And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    So what? Why is him being blind mean he couldn't have still downloaded it? Does his blindness somehow make him unable to download movies as opposed to any other type of file? If someone is deaf does that mean there is no possibly way they could have downloaded cds?

    1. Re:And? by sjames · · Score: 1

      It sure makes it a lot less likely.

    2. Re:And? by P01d4 · · Score: 0

      Is there any possible way to download physical media?

    3. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And in that same vein, where are the stories excoriating the habitual downloaders who are doing it for the fun of free entertainment? Is the one-sided coverage supposed to prove some sort of "ethical" point beyond "Slashdotters shove their fingers in their ears when they're hearing something they don't like"? I mean if it's greedy of the copyright holders to protect their property, how is it not greedy of the collectors who download more movies than they'll ever watch just because they can't bear to be bored for 5 seconds and they feel entitled because they were born?

    4. Re:And? by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      Because all of those people probably have nearly identical stories. And, really, I don't think it'd be all that interesting.

      how is it not greedy of the collectors who download more movies than they'll ever watch just because they can't bear to be bored for 5 seconds and they feel entitled because they were born?

      That depends on someone's opinion of copyright and such.

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    5. Re:And? by Tanktalus · · Score: 1

      If you have a 3D printer at your end with which to reconstruct it, perhaps... :-)

    6. Re:And? by arth1 · · Score: 1

      mean if it's greedy of the copyright holders to protect their property, how is it not greedy of the collectors who download more movies than they'll ever watch just because they can't bear to be bored for 5 seconds and they feel entitled because they were born?

      One doesn't preclude the other.
      The guy can be guilty of downloading and sharing copyrighted porn movies and lying about it, and the copyright holders can be assholes at the same time
      I know this is an alien concept for those who prefer black-and-white dualism, but it's nevertheless true.
      So don't for a second think that if I slam a downloader that I side with the lawyers. Nor vice versa.

    7. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a civil matter; the word "proof" isn't applicable.

      His blindness influences how likely someone would look at the evidence and guess he probably did it, versus probably didn't do it.

      That is, if he hadn't settled. Now the whole question is moot.

      BTW, one might expect that people with various handicaps will have a harder time with employment, therefore (on average) be less likely to have the resources to defend themselves. Thus, finding blind people and accusing them of [anything] might be a good idea for generating revenue in the service of evil. It sounds bad at first (if it goes to trial you're less likely to win, than if you picked "normal" victims) but if the costs of litigation are high enough, it could still pay off. We should expect this formula to eventually become finely tuned by MAFIAA's expert lawyer/game_theorists.

    8. Re:And? by cdrguru · · Score: 5, Informative

      As someone that knows, you might find it interesting to understand the definition of "legally blind" vs. more functional blindness.

      I lived with a blind girl for a while. She was functionally blind and could see only extremely bright and extremely high contrast objects. For the most part, she couldn't see anything and was around five years old before she realized other people could see things.

      A friend of the blind girl's was "legally blind". This meant that she couldn't get a driver's license but otherwise was quite functional. She could certainly watch TV, go to movies and read large-print books.

      Legally blind does not mean "can't watch a movie" in any respect.

    9. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's see: MAFIAA wants to forcible deprive you of your money, and enlist government (first the legislature, then the courts) to that end.
      Hoarders don't deprive anyone else of anything, except the use of some bandwidth, which they pay their ISP for.

      Is it inconceivable that someone could see one of those as greedy and the other not, or at least as qualitatively different types of greed?

    10. Re:And? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Erh... where does that argument come from?

      The point here is not that IP holders want to protect it. The point is that they use the legal equivalent of carpet bombing, not caring who they catch as collateral damage. Sue them all, let the court sort them out.

      That guy is certainly not the only one innocently caught in this fallout. He's just "lucky" to be blind so it's blatantly obvious that the IP holders don't just want to protect their IP, they employ something that has become known on the battlefield as "shock and awe" tactics: Scare the enemy into submission.

      And, well, we've seen how well that tactic went on the battlefield...

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    11. Re:And? by snowgirl · · Score: 2

      As someone that knows, you might find it interesting to understand the definition of "legally blind" vs. more functional blindness.

      I lived with a blind girl for a while. She was functionally blind and could see only extremely bright and extremely high contrast objects. For the most part, she couldn't see anything and was around five years old before she realized other people could see things.

      A friend of the blind girl's was "legally blind". This meant that she couldn't get a driver's license but otherwise was quite functional. She could certainly watch TV, go to movies and read large-print books.

      Legally blind does not mean "can't watch a movie" in any respect.

      He needs emails read to him, and to have magnification. While "legally blind" does not alone constitute "cannot watch a movie", this guy in particular does not watch movies, because his legal blindness is close enough to "true" blindness that he can't see any of the imagery. So, while your point is valid, the particular circumstances of this case remain true... he wouldn't have downloaded a movie, because he doesn't/can't watch movies.

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    12. Re:And? by The+Jynx · · Score: 1

      Legally blind does not mean "can't watch a movie" in any respect.

      FTA: "Her husband is legally blind, with vision roughly 1/100th of that of a person with normal sight. He is physically incapable of watching any film, this particular porno included."

    13. Re:And? by shentino · · Score: 2

      When copyright cartels get so greedy they don't care about collateral damage from forcing innocent bystanders to cough up exorbitant settlements just to avoid an expensive legal defense. Standing up for yourself is suicide. Unfortunately, the MAFIAA knows this and accordingly sees fit to not care who they are aiming at. They are goliath.

      They've sued dead people and old grandmothers that couldn't possibly have been guilty. They even got some default judgements and pressed on knowing damn well they had no case.

      If they started leaving innocent bystanders alone, I would have a lot more respect for them.

      We need a loser pays system so that they can get stung when they fuck up. And so that innocent bystanders aren't afraid to fight back, possibly with the help of white knight sponsors like the EFF and whatnot that can then fund their defenses and get their money back when the lawsuit blows up in the plaintiff's face.

    14. Re:And? by shentino · · Score: 1

      And of course, the fact that it costs more to fight back than settle...

    15. Re:And? by jandersen · · Score: 1

      Why is him being blind mean he couldn't have still downloaded it?

      Don't be so pig-headed - this is not about whether blind persons would be able to download stuff, of course they can, at least in principle. This is about two things: a) what motive could a person have to download a movie they can't possibly watch, and b) it doesn't look at all sympathetic going after a disabled person.

      That said, though, "legally blind" does not mean that you can't see at all, only that your vision is sufficiently restricted to make you eligible to benifits.

    16. Re:And? by JockTroll · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately we'll never need a "loser pays" system because Big Money will never stand for it. It's good for them and they won't let it go, ever. They have the money and power to get any proposal in this direction shot down without a debate. The only thing that can work at the present time is physical violence: attack the lawyers working for the MAFIAA, attack their families, their property, their workplaces. For each and every citizen prosecuted by the copyright goons, a lawyer is assassinated, one family member kidnapped and executed, one office bombed. The only thing more powerful than money is death which, fortunately, is very cheap: just one screwdriver push through the eyesocket away.

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    17. Re:And? by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      Maybe he likes listening to the audio?

    18. Re:And? by MHolmesIV · · Score: 1

      My wife cannot read her phone screen without magnification, cannot read normal text without magnification, uses her Kindle DX at it's largest font setting (the size smaller is too small for her to read unaided) and uses her 24" monitor at 800x600 with large fonts. Legal blindness is defined as anything worse than 20/200 when corrected (the detail a normal person can see at 200 feet, the blind person needs to be 20 feet away to see the same detail). My wife is 20/400. She still watches movies.

      I have a friend who is completely blind. He, too, also watches movies.

      There is no reason that the person named in the suit could not have been responsible for the download. (I'm not saying he was, but blindness does not rule him out.)

    19. Re:And? by Kamiza+Ikioi · · Score: 1

      How in the world did the parents miss her being blind until she was 5? She had to have been pretty functional compared to other types of blindness to go that long.

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    20. Re:And? by nomadic · · Score: 1

      How does the "MAFIAA" forcibly deprive you of your money? This is not a rhetorical question.

    21. Re:And? by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Wow, you are a terrible human being. And big money LOVES loser pays; they've been pushing it for years.

    22. Re:And? by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Proof is just as applicable in civil matters as criminal ones. The standard of proof needed to make your case is just a little lessened.

    23. Re:And? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I have a friend who is completely blind. He, too, also watches movies.

      What kind?

      If you're completely blind, and watching character-based dramas or other such movies, it's basically exactly like listening to a radio play, and similar to an audio book. You might not be able to see what's going on, but you can hear all the dialog, and on movies like that, the dialog is really the most important thing.

      I'll bet your friend doesn't watch a lot of action movies, or sci-fi movies (unless they're again, very character-driven, rather than concentrating on effects and sets).

      Finally, porn is the most extreme in this way: it doesn't have any characters at all, and no real dialog. If you just listen to the audio, it's all the same: people having sex and saying "uhh uhh uhh give it to me baby!" and the like. What on earth would be the point of listening to that without the visual part? If a blind person wants to "consume" erotica, they'll most likely look for erotic books or stories and read those (or have them read to them by TTS).

      In a related point, this is why I think it's pointless to watch "chick flicks" and other character-based no-FX dramas in the theater. You're not really getting much out of the experience that you wouldn't get sitting at home watching it on Netflix, because the visuals aren't that important in these movies. Save your money and wait for it to come on Netflix or DVD, and only watch visual feasts like Avatar on the big screen, where you really do get a big benefit from seeing it in the theater.

    24. Re:And? by JockTroll · · Score: 1

      Why am I a terrible human being? For advocating violence against people who absolutely deserve it? Are you on the MPAA's payroll? And why so serious? Let's put a Glasgow smile on that face.

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    25. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can buy audio recordings of people having sex, so it is not as unusual as you think. I know several women who are more turned on by the audio than the video. To each his own.

    26. Re:And? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      What's the point of that? You don't even know if it's real; it's easy for people to make sex sounds without actually having sex. Billy Crystal and Meg Ryan even showed this in a movie a long time ago.

    27. Re:And? by jahudabudy · · Score: 1

      By suing innocent people and using the courts to threaten them into settlement?

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    28. Re:And? by MHolmesIV · · Score: 1

      What's the point of watching a movies like planet of the apes? You don't even know if it's real. It's easy to make computer generated apes without having real apes.

      If it's good enough that you can't tell the difference, then the "reality" of it is irrelevant. Heck, if "real" were a requirement, the porn industry would have died years ago.

      Just because something is not your kink does not rule it out as a kink.

    29. Re:And? by MHolmesIV · · Score: 1

      Most kinds I believe. I don't know if he uses DVS or not.

      My wife enjoys most kinds of movies (except "chick flicks" and those stupid "40 year old virgin" style comedies). The matrix did not impress her, with it's incomprehensible script and relying on a lot of visual information. She went through the whole of "Cowboys and aliens" thinking the lead character was Harrison Ford (and asked me afterwards who played the "old guy"). Unless it's a silent movie, you can get a whole bunch of information out of the audio and it can still be entertaining.

      We don't watch subtitled movies, for obvious reasons.

    30. Re:And? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      We don't watch subtitled movies, for obvious reasons.

      That's too bad. My wife and I, thanks to Netflix, are finding lots of great foreign films out there (mainly European), which are much better than most of the crap coming out of Hollywood these days. Of course, since we don't speak French or Spanish or Italian or Swedish, and my German is terrible, subtitles are necessary for understanding.

    31. Re:And? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Sure, fighting is always much more expensive than to roll over and give in, in court and usually in international politics, too.

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    32. Re:And? by shentino · · Score: 1

      And the fact that people prefer to roll over rather than fight means that the aggressors have every incentive to keep making threats.

      A bully extorting candy from a playground full of frightened babies can get quite a sweet tooth.

    33. Re:And? by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Ahh you internet tough guys are sooo hardcore.

    34. Re:And? by snowgirl · · Score: 1

      My wife [has 20/400 corrected vision]. She still watches movies.

      I have a friend who is completely blind. He, too, also watches movies.

      There is no reason that the person named in the suit could not have been responsible for the download. (I'm not saying he was, but blindness does not rule him out.)

      I'm glad that you have provided anecdotal evidence that some blind people do watch movies. Congratulations, you just restated exactly what the post I was responding to stated.

      However, you still have to throw out the evidence that this particular blind guy does not watch movies. Unless you have some amazing evidence that shows that all blind people watch movies, your argument is unpersuasive.

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    35. Re:And? by JockTroll · · Score: 1

      Well, someone has to balance out all the self-defeating chickenshit loserboy nerds.

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    36. Re:And? by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Let me guess, in real life you're a pasty, scrawny little guy who crosses the street when he sees a bunch of guys walking towards him. But you always wanted to be tough and you've found on the internet you can pretend to be. The only problem is nobody believes you're anything other than a wimp.

    37. Re:And? by JockTroll · · Score: 1

      Oh my, did I touch a nerve here? Were you one of the scrawny kids I beat up and swirled in school? Did the multiple beatings and humiliations mark you for life? Are you still traumatized, so you project your own insecurities and fears upon other people? Must be a terrible life indeed. Have you considered suicide?

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  3. Question not answered by iYk6 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Was the film in braille?

    1. Re:Question not answered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He downloaded it for the mood music. yeah yeah, oooooh

    2. Re:Question not answered by SGDarkKnight · · Score: 1

      no no, the film was entitiled "Braille -- Bump Bump Bump"

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    3. Re:Question not answered by MokuMokuRyoushi · · Score: 1

      Brasil - Bump Bump Bump? I'll watch that.

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  4. Did it ever occur to the article author that... by theillien · · Score: 1

    the guy is legally blind because of all the porn he downloaded and the activity he presumably would have partook in afterward?

    1. Re:Did it ever occur to the article author that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You cant go blind with huge quantities of porn. You are living proof of this ;)

    2. Re:Did it ever occur to the article author that... by retchdog · · Score: 1

      i'm posting from a braille terminal, you insensitive clod!

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  5. Sharing is not watching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Uh, you are aware that he is accused of SHARING the movie, not watching it, right? Being sighted is not a requirement for sharing a movie.

    1. Re:Sharing is not watching by hedwards · · Score: 2

      No, but it does require some degree of explanation as to why somebody is passing off a movie which he didn't watch. The most likely explanation would be that he wasn't the one that was sharing it.

    2. Re:Sharing is not watching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the most likely explanation is that he was sharing in order to pad his ratio at his favorite torrent site.

    3. Re:Sharing is not watching by arth1 · · Score: 2

      How do you know he didn't watch it? Lots of blind people enjoy movies, and even go to movie theatres. Who's to say he didn't get turned on by the moaning?

      And he's not blind either, but legally blind. Big difference. So am I, and I read and type this without a problem.
      This guy could use a computer through magnification. That means he could also watch video through magnification. Whether blurry or not, it couldn't have been blurrier than the text he's able to read, and likely better perceived quality than the 320x200 16-color animations people downloaded as porn from BBSes in the 80s.

    4. Re:Sharing is not watching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, but it does require some degree of explanation as to why somebody is passing off a movie which he didn't watch.

      1. Legally Blind is a technical term, it means you have poor vision NOT blindness.
      2. Even if he were missing both eyes, that does not mean he doesn't listen to the movies.
      3. There is value to having the software for use as barter material even if it's useless to him. For example, it might make a good swap for some text-to speech software for the blind.
      4. Maybe he's just being a dick, or has some kind of personal crusade to bankrupt the porn industry by giving away all their shit online. Yes, that's a bit of a stretch and sounds fairly crazy, but so does anything out of the Westborough Baptist Church.

    5. Re:Sharing is not watching by hedwards · · Score: 1

      And all of those are less likely than the firm getting it wrong. It's not like these sorts of leeches haven't accused all sorts of folks that weren't infringing.

  6. Sticky situation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    According to TFA the "accused" works in the "network security division of a Seattle-area software company"... and yet didn't bother putting a password on his WiFi? Besides, maybe he just downloaded it for the music...

    1. Re:Sticky situation... by dido · · Score: 2

      Well, Bruce Schneier doesn't put a password on his WiFi either for that matter from what I hear.

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    2. Re:Sticky situation... by monkyyy · · Score: 0

      passwords dont do much, he probably just did most private stuff over wired anyway

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    3. Re:Sticky situation... by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 1
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    4. Re:Sticky situation... by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      But there's no legal requirement to add password protection to wi-fi. Possibly his actual reason was plausible deniability in case he was sued for file sharing.

  7. Not implausible... by damn_registrars · · Score: 4, Funny

    Maybe he just wanted to listen to the deep conversation and intricate plot points. You know, just like some people buy playboy to read the articles...

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    1. Re:Not implausible... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "oooh, baby... make an illegal download in my ass."

    2. Re:Not implausible... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THERE ARE ARTICLES IN PLAYBOY? holy cow! i learned something today

    3. Re:Not implausible... by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

      In all seriousness, the Playboy issues I've read really do have some good articles, it's just kinda odd to have that kind of material and the pictures of nekkid women int he same magazine.

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    4. Re:Not implausible... by arth1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're joking, but blind people do listen to movies, and even go to movie theatres. The sound is still there, and your imagination does the rest.

      And this person isn't totally blind either - he is able to use a computer monitor with a magnifying lens. That can just as well be used for video as for text.

      Whether he's innocent or not, we'll never know. He settled.
      If he hadn't, I would have considered him innocent unless he was proven guilty, but now we'll never know.
      We know he lied about not being able to enjoy movies, though, because many completely blind people do.
      And I know I wouldn't hire him as a computer security expert, if he claims that his wi-fi setup was done by his wife clicking OK a few times.

    5. Re:Not implausible... by hozozco · · Score: 2

      My 3 year old daughter is legally blind. She is currently watching here favourite TV programme (ABC Playschool). She also loves the Wiggles. She watches at a distance of about 10cm (4 inches), but certainly sees a lot.

    6. Re:Not implausible... by Alex+Belits · · Score: 2

      In all seriousness, the Playboy issues I've read really do have some good articles, it's just kinda odd to have that kind of material and the pictures of nekkid women int he same magazine.

      That's nothing compared to 4chan.

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    7. Re:Not implausible... by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 1

      Got hold of a playboy of jan 1981 a couple of months back (a friend of mine's birth month).
      There was a 5 page article with Jhon Lennon and Yoko Ono, without pictures.

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    8. Re:Not implausible... by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      We know he lied about not being able to enjoy movies, though, because many completely blind people do.

      What kind of fucking twisted un-logic is that? Because many completely blind people enjoy movies, therefore this person also must enjoy movies? I just happen to do charity work with visually impaired and blind people, and know that the majority of them do not enjoy movies, specifically because they can't see them.

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    9. Re:Not implausible... by laejoh · · Score: 1

      Hey, this blind guy I know, Zampanò, even wrote an academic study of a documentary film!

    10. Re:Not implausible... by Narcogen · · Score: 0

      We know he lied about not being able to enjoy movies, though, because many completely blind people do.

      What kind of fucking twisted un-logic is that? Because many completely blind people enjoy movies, therefore this person also must enjoy movies? I just happen to do charity work with visually impaired and blind people, and know that the majority of them do not enjoy movies, specifically because they can't see them.

      It's perfectly good logic. This individual's defense boils down to 1) All blind people cannot enjoy movies. 2) I am a blind person. 3) Therefore, I cannot enjoy movies, had no motive for downloading this movie, and could not have done so.

      The existence of any significant minority of people who legally blind, or at least as blind if not more blind than the individual in question, who are capable of enjoying movies, invalidates his first assumption. That the "majority" of blind people do not enjoy them does not establish his premise, which was that ALL blind people not only do not enjoy movies, but are essentially incapable of doing so.

    11. Re:Not implausible... by vegiVamp · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't that be an upload?

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    12. Re:Not implausible... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't that be an upload?

      Depends on who's on top

    13. Re:Not implausible... by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      Were the pages stuck together? TNR is just a hot Font.

    14. Re:Not implausible... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well golly, why not hire him? The people who caught him couldnt find their ass in a lit room with both hands and a roadmap. That counts as blind and they are security people.

                Honestly, if I ever, EVER get put through a legal wringer by these clowns, I will personally take a literal pound of flesh from any party involved. That means hunting suits in the wild. I already have a collection of lawyers heads mounted over my mantle, need some media industry clowns on the other side of the room for aesthetic balance.

    15. Re:Not implausible... by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      >And I know I wouldn't hire him as a computer security expert, if he claims that his wi-fi setup was done by his wife clicking OK a few times.

      I wouldn't be so sure about that one. Have you noticed how many great plumbers have horrible plumbing in their own houses? Hell a lot of geeks I know have their own computers in a complete mess with cables all around the place. Why ? We work on this stuff all day, we get home, the last thing we want to do now is spend more time setting up computer stuff. We instead just watch a movie or (like me) log into wow with my fiance and go run some battlegrounds. I am fully aware that her PC's hard-drive will need a replacement soon. I know that my backup strategy is ... well attrocious, but do I really want to spend my leisure time doing exactly the same things I do at work all day ? In fact, worse - at work I'm a senior software engineer, do I really want to go home and do helldesk work ?

      Sheez last time I had a burned-out CPU I refused to fix it myself, I am fully capable of it, but I chose to take it to a good store where I trust the techs and have them fix it. Not because I can't, but because I really don't want to spend my away-from-office time doing crummy jobs like hardware replacements, stuff I worked very hard to get AWAY from in my professional life.

      So basically, he may be a network security expert, he may even be a very good one - the state of his home wifi doesn't say anything about that. It merely proves Schneier's law: when security is done at the cost of convenience, convenience *always* wins.

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    16. Re:Not implausible... by umghhh · · Score: 1

      As for his wife doing the stuff and as a consequence he not being a security expert - you never heard of marriage and about parting things to do? His wife obvioulsy did something and he was possibly doing something else - how is this an argument for his qualifications? Another thing your assumptions that he could "considered him innocent unless he was proven guilty" is probably wrong either. The justice system does not work like this and costs that are gathering during due process can force him into bankruptcy and he still can lose anyway even if he were innocent. I think you watched too many movies like 12 angry men and some CSI shit on top and now believ the (American) justice system actually works. What a joke.

    17. Re:Not implausible... by GauteL · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "It's perfectly good logic. This individual's defense boils down to 1) All blind people cannot enjoy movies. 2) I am a blind person. 3) Therefore, I cannot enjoy movies, had no motive for downloading this movie, and could not have done so."

      No. His defence was basically that he is legally blind and doesn't enjoy movies". He never said that "all blind people cannot enjoy movies", he said that HE doesn't enjoy movies because he is blind. There is absolutely no doubt that being blind detracts from the movie experience, and the existance of a minority which still finds some enjoyment in movies does not mean he is lying about this.

      Obviously a judge would have to decide whether he/she believed him, but given that he majority do not enjoy movies, it is likely that he is telling the truth.

    18. Re:Not implausible... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Playboy has a large braille subscriber base, actually.

    19. Re:Not implausible... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well said.

      I used to work at an agency dealing with the disabled and don't let the pleading to be considered different, fool you. The disabled may be different externally but inside they are absolutely identical to rest of the able-bodied! They love, hate, screw each over, watch porn, rob stores, steal, lie cheat, make love, fear, cuddle, puke, snot and moan like everyone else. Met some astounding people, who've worked hard against the odds and really taken life by the horns but I've also dealt with some serious scum-of-the-earth who've milked their situation for everything they can get from it.

      The disability might hamper some to greater or lesser degrees but they're just like you and me, some good and some bad.

    20. Re:Not implausible... by Goboxer · · Score: 1

      Who would buy playboy for the naked ladies? You can get that shit free on the internet.

    21. Re:Not implausible... by Devoidoid · · Score: 1

      We work on this stuff all day, we get home, the last thing we want to do now is spend more time setting up computer stuff. We instead just watch a movie

      Ah HA!

    22. Re:Not implausible... by Garion911 · · Score: 1

      Kinda like my sig..

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    23. Re:Not implausible... by arth1 · · Score: 1

      No. His defence was basically that he is legally blind and doesn't enjoy movies".

      Given that there are legally blind people enjoying movies, his statement boils down to "I don't enjoy movies".
      What kind of defence is that?

      There is absolutely no doubt that being blind detracts from the movie experience

      There is absolutely no doubt in your mind. The human body and mind is remarkable, and humans make the most of the senses they have, and don't dwell on those they don't have. Only the healthy people can afford to do that.

      Also keep in mind that this wasn't a "movie experience" - it was a moaner. If you don't think sound can arouse the human mind, explain the popularity of Gainsbourg's "Je'Taime (moi non plus)" and Enigma's "Principles of Lust".

      It all boils down to that his legal blindness is irrelevant, and doesn't in any way justify the claim that he cannot have been a consumer of the movie.

    24. Re:Not implausible... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every page you go to any more has a 'share this' button and the technology giants have automatic shares popping up in folders and now every mother fucking lawyer is jumping on this shit when the companies made this a key selling point with the software and browsers? Go fuck yourselves you mother fucking whores.

    25. Re:Not implausible... by arth1 · · Score: 1

      As for his wife doing the stuff and as a consequence he not being a security expert - you never heard of marriage and about parting things to do?

      That his wife did it wasn't the issue. That he accepted that his wife did it by clicking a couple of times and accepting the defaults means he's not security-minded.

    26. Re:Not implausible... by Calibax · · Score: 1

      Porn movies tend to be highly biased towards the visual sense, notwithstanding your two counter examples. Are you seriously suggesting that a blind person would (illegally) download a porn movie in the expectation that the sound track would be that exciting?

      If all he wants to hear is moaning there are many legal ways to do that, and I doubt that moaning differs in any significant aspect between the vast majority of porn movies. Or maybe he was downloading it for the plot?

    27. Re:Not implausible... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...And this person isn't totally blind either - he is able to use a computer monitor with a magnifying lens. That can just as well be used for video as for text...

      Hmmmm.

    28. Re:Not implausible... by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      *innocent whistle*
      I don't know WHAT you are talking about...

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    29. Re:Not implausible... by GauteL · · Score: 1

      "Given that there are legally blind people enjoying movies, his statement boils down to "I don't enjoy movies".
      What kind of defence is that?"

      No. He is statement boils down to: "I don't enjoy movies. You may or not believe me, but due to my disability it is highly likely that I am telling the truth".

      Testimony is evidence. The judge or jury has to decide whether they believe that the testimony is truthful or not. If there is a particularly good reason why the testimony is convincing, then the judge is obviously more likely to believe it.

      "There is absolutely no doubt in your mind. The human body and mind is remarkable, and humans make the most of the senses they have, and don't dwell on those they don't have. Only the healthy people can afford to do that."

      I call hand-waving bullshit on this. A film can be experienced using two senses; sight and hearing. If you have only one of these senses, then your experience of the film is by definition impaired. Whether you can still have enjoyment out of it depends on how much of the film can be enjoyed using only your hearing. A drama or a Tarantino film may be quite enjoyable without the images, but an action film where most of the audio is explosions is unlikely to give the blind anything at all. But unless the film has no pictures (in which case it isn't a movie), then there is by definition going to be some loss of experience for the blind. "The human body and mind is remarkable" my ass, tell this bullshit to a blind person and he'd laugh at you.

  8. Audio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He may be blind, but I'm sure his hearing is excellent!

  9. Check his palms for what? by intellitech · · Score: 0

    Cum shot residue?

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    1. Re:Check his palms for what? by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      hair you numbnut, its the oldest joke in the freakin book

    2. Re:Check his palms for what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i don't get it.

    3. Re:Check his palms for what? by tibit · · Score: 2

      So, you never looked at your hands afterwards? :)

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    4. Re:Check his palms for what? by M0j0_j0j0 · · Score: 1

      maybe the lady shaves...

    5. Re:Check his palms for what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i still don't get it.

    6. Re:Check his palms for what? by tibit · · Score: 1

      Whooosh. I'll ruin the joke, but I guess it has to be explained. When you masturbate, you're likely to pull your pubic hair out (no matter your gender). They may well get stuck between your fingers and other areas of your hand. intellitech was thinking about "cum shot residue" -- that's close enough, but it'd be too obvious to make a good joke IMHO. The joke is, thus, that you can check if someone masturbates by looking inside their palms/between their fingers for pubic hair. Of course it's only a joke: if for nothing else than men and women still like to occasionally scratch themselves on their privates, and may as well pull a pubic hair or two without having to masturbate. Is that clear?

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    7. Re:Check his palms for what? by arth1 · · Score: 2

      When you masturbate, you're likely to pull your pubic hair out (no matter your gender).

      Surely this depends on how you masturbate, how well endowed you are, how hirsute you are, whether you're mutilated or not, and a bunch of other factors.

    8. Re:Check his palms for what? by SpeZek · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, no. That makes no sense, and that's not the joke. The joke comes from the very old myth that masturbating makes one grow hair on their palms (hence everyone will know you're a bad person).
      Don't explain if you don't know the explanation.

    9. Re:Check his palms for what? by arth1 · · Score: 2

      Yeah, no. That makes no sense, and that's not the joke. The joke comes from the very old myth that masturbating makes one grow hair on their palms (hence everyone will know you're a bad person).

      It's not a myth so much as it is a way for nosy parents and priests to check whether kids have started masturbating. Mention this lie while talking between adults, and if the kids sneak looks at their palms, they probably have. Not that it's any business of the adults.

    10. Re:Check his palms for what? by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty certain that it's very much a business of an adult raising a child to know that his/her child has started masturbating. Problem arises when they (adults) react in a childish/stupid way to it. A good parent will put this information in good use.

      Granted most parents that come from puritan cultures tend to react to this information very badly.

    11. Re:Check his palms for what? by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "When you masturbate, you're likely to pull your pubic hair out (no matter your gender)."

      Pubic hair?

      How old _are_ you?

    12. Re:Check his palms for what? by tibit · · Score: 1

      I guess meta jokes are not all the rage anymore, huh? Anyway, obviously the real answer is that masturbation is what makes blind people get beautiful eyelashes. There.

      The discussion that follows is hilarious enough, that was my intent, if half-assed. Mission accomplished?

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    13. Re:Check his palms for what? by quenda · · Score: 2

      , and if the kids sneak looks at their palms, they probably have.

      Conversely, if the kids do not sneak a look, they probably have anyway.

    14. Re:Check his palms for what? by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      numbnut, a common side-effect.

    15. Re:Check his palms for what? by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      It's much simpler than that. For hundreds of years religiously motivated parents tried to discourage their sons from masturbating by warning that they will grow hairy palms if they do (completely untrue of course).
      That's what the joke is about.

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    16. Re:Check his palms for what? by CProgrammer98 · · Score: 1

      what has referring pubic hair, the correct term for it, got to do with any indication of age?

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    17. Re:Check his palms for what? by shentino · · Score: 1

      And what business is it of society to say what business it is of the parents?

    18. Re:Check his palms for what? by jekewa · · Score: 1

      I think (s)he's is suggesting (s)he isn't old enough to have any...

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    19. Re:Check his palms for what? by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Whooosh. I'll ruin the joke, but I guess it has to be explained. When you masturbate, you're likely to pull your pubic hair out (no matter your gender).

      It's a good attempt, but I think you're way off ...

      Certain groups who view masturbation as sinful (*cough* Catholics *cough*), in an attempt to dissuade kids from doing it, would suggest that it would cause you to have hairy palms, or go blind. The implication being that engaging in that very sinful act would have long term consequences that would be visible to the outside world. Basically, shame and fear -- the usual.

      I have never heard any body attempt to say that it's from your pubic hair falling out into your palm. I think you get a Whoosh for attempting to explain an idiom you don't know the origins of.

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    20. Re:Check his palms for what? by turtledawn · · Score: 1

      What possible good use is there for that piece of information? Knowing when leaving a copy of Sex for One under their bed is less likely to inspire confusion than embarrassment?

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    21. Re:Check his palms for what? by Hertzyscowicz · · Score: 1

      i still don't get it.

      Sorry, but you haven't been set up to feed that straight line.

    22. Re:Check his palms for what? by tibit · · Score: 1

      'twas a meta-joke -- obviously I'm no good at it. I apologize.

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    23. Re:Check his palms for what? by tibit · · Score: 1

      Obviously, people who are old enough know enough about zoology to be able to invoke, say, semi-aquatic nocturnal rodents. If you're into botany instead, you may talk of shrubs. Use of vernacular seems to be all-defining to some people. Talking like someone with at least half of a brain, seemingly makes you a kid. Hey, I wouldn't mind to be a kid again!

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    24. Re:Check his palms for what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A good parent will put this information in good use.

      Blackmail, of course

      Timmy, I see the trash hasn't been taken out... you wouldn't want your friends to know what you've been doing in the bathroom, would you?

    25. Re:Check his palms for what? by robot_love · · Score: 1

      Surely this depends on how you masturbate, how well endowed you are, how hirsute you are, whether you're mutilated or not, and a bunch of other factors.

      Get out of my dreams!

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    26. Re:Check his palms for what? by arth1 · · Score: 1

      And what business is it of society to say what business it is of the parents?

      As long as children grow up to become politicians, policemen, doctors, nuclear powerplant engineers and other important pillars of society, it is indeed in society's interest to ensure that children won't become damaged by their parents.

    27. Re:Check his palms for what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoosh!!!

      (get it yet?)

    28. Re:Check his palms for what? by shentino · · Score: 1

      True enough, but since it takes place in the confines of the home, and from biological material that is of the parents in the first place, parents ARE entitled to be presumed to know what they are doing and to have every right to raise their children as they damn please so long as they are not harming them.

      The burden of proof is on the child and on society to prove incompetence, not on the parent to prove correctness.

      Hell, even the authority of schools is subordinate to parents, as "in loco parentis" means that the school is only exercising authority on behalf of the parents to begin with.

    29. Re:Check his palms for what? by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      I don't think you understand what's on the wikipedia page you linked to. You might want to read it again.

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    30. Re:Check his palms for what? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      There's ample evidence from all of human history to show that sexually repressing people is harmful. Just look at the priests in the Roman Catholic Church.

    31. Re:Check his palms for what? by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Hint: masturbation is not that embarassing when you don't live in a puritan society and have a good relationship with your parents.

    32. Re:Check his palms for what? by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      What nice culture you live in.

    33. Re:Check his palms for what? by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      Because it means it's certainly time to have the slightly more extended version of the birds and the bees that also contains West Nile virus and colony collapse disorder...
      Seriously, as a parent of an 8yo girl and 6yo boy they already know what makes mommy and daddy different, they already know the proper words for their private parts and the general social rules governing talking about them as well as touching/showing/having them touched. They, however, are sexually immature and thus do not need the burden of just exactly how a girl gets pregnant, what a plethora of nasties you can catch is you are not picky &&|| careful...

      Once they are old enough to start masturbating, then they are likely old enough that the more detailed talks should begin. It is an indicator of physiological development, and can be used as such by a parent to be a *better parent*. (not to say there won't be some blushing by said child at onset of conversation)

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    34. Re:Check his palms for what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The sense of humor is weak in this one.

    35. Re:Check his palms for what? by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      There was a grand total of zero humor in this one, and 100% of sadness.

    36. Re:Check his palms for what? by turtledawn · · Score: 1

      Ah. My family utilized National Geographic documentaries about wildlife and epidemics to initiate those conversations. Interesting fact: Most fetuses masturbate in utero after about six months, which is a hilarious way to really gross out conservative first time mothers.

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  10. At least the UK Govt gives a concession.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one/for-your-home/blindseverely-sight-impaired-aud5/

    from the page ..
    You can get a 50% reduction on the TV Licence fee if you’re blind/severely sight impaired.
      Your licence will also cover anyone who lives with you.

    You need a TV Licence if you wish to watch or record television programmes as they're being
      shown on TV. This includes the use of devices such as a TV, computer, mobile phone,
    games console, digital box or DVD/VHS recorder.

    1. Re:At least the UK Govt gives a concession.. by vegiVamp · · Score: 1

      "as they're being shown"

      So does the license cover watching programmes you've recorded, at times they're no longer being shown on TV? And if so, does it matter wether you've actually recorded it yourself or wether you've simply downloaded the recording?

      If you are simply entitled to watch everything that is being shown on TV, that could (and maybe should) be construed as a license to download everything that has already been shown - but not before ti's been shown.

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    2. Re:At least the UK Govt gives a concession.. by Jon+Stone · · Score: 1

      In the UK you require a license to watch or record TV as it is being broadcast, or to install TV receiving equipment for the purpose of watching/records TV as it is broadcast.

      The requirement is worded to be independent of the technology used - terrestrial, satellite broadcasts, cable, internet etc

      You don't require a license to watch recordings, so if you only ever watch DVDs, BBC iPlayer and 4OD you don't require a license. Copyright is a different issue - the TV license is a license to install/use equipment and is nothing to do with copyright.

    3. Re:At least the UK Govt gives a concession.. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      You need the license to operate equipment capable of receiving broadcast television signals (including a video recorded connected to an antenna). You also need it to watch live streaming of television channels over the Internet (i.e. the stream is at the same time as the live broadcast). You do not need to to watch live streams of things that are not shown on TV (e.g. webcams), streams that are not live (e.g. iPlayer or 4oD streams of things that have already been on television), or to play back recordings.

      Normal copyright applies independently of the TV license.

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  11. Free Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    the network-security professional recounts the rookie mistake that got him into this mess.

    "I didn't have time to set up the wireless network in my old apartment,"

    This is not a mistake. Providing a free wireless Internet connection to neighbors is legal. An IP address is not a person.

    1. Re:Free Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Providing a free wireless Internet connection to neighbors is legal. An IP address is not a person.

      That sounds nice but that's not reality. It's practically illegal simply because governments and media lobby groups want it to be.

    2. Re:Free Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depending on your service agreement, under some definitions it's fraud and theft of service on your part because you signed a user agreement which said you would not provide internet connectivity to others. In fact it's entirely possible that having a /router/ is against the terms you signed up to and that your service is supposed to provide internet to a single computing device used by the named user.

      Those would, of course, be very draconian terms and it's not like that would ever be hidden deep within your service contract terms...

    3. Re:Free Internet by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      An IP address is not a person.

      Yeah but it's close enough for law enforcement work :-P

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    4. Re:Free Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It may be illegal depending on the policies of residential Internet service providers. An argument can be made whether it should be illegal; that argument may be why it is illegal for some ISPs. Sharing wireless internet isn't like sharing cable TV.

    5. Re:Free Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Might be legal - but in this day and age its pretty dumb too.

    6. Re:Free Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Providing a free wireless Internet connection to neighbors is legal."

      Actually, providing access to your neighbors, while legal, takes a customer away from an ISP. ISP's don't like that, so they explicitly forbid it in the service contract. The consequence for sharing is possibly a disconnection from your ISP.

      Everyone is out to protect their little empires.

    7. Re:Free Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Methinks we need a new mod: Score: -1, Regurgitation of Lame Argument

    8. Re:Free Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good luck with that in court.

      Unless you made every juror take a ccna course they will just never understand.
      This is where a jury of your peers is suppose to step in people who understand. But we like everything else over time corrupted it til complete failure.

    9. Re:Free Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell that to this day and age. I'd as well personally allow free wifi... if not for the obvious problem of 'anything that happens on it is immediately my problem, no matter what I say'.

      It doesn't matter what the law says, you ARE guilty until proven innocent, and it's not possible to prove innocence without tens of thousands of spare dollars lying around and a world class lawyer.

    10. Re:Free Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone who calls themselves a network-security professional didn't have time to set up their wifi network? Seriously? It only takes a couple of minutes.

      It is one thing to do it deliberately, because you want to share with your neighbours, but for a so-called professional in that field to say they didn't have time makes it sound like they are competent to do their job.

  12. Threshold for filing suit by l2718 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Currently the minimal threshold for filing suit is way too low. The "rights holders" here surely have some colorable claim that infringement happened (i.e. some kind of network monitoring log, and a claim from an ISP that the monitored IP address belonged to this guy). So far US courts have decided that this is enough to file a lawsuit, something which creates a lot of work for lawyers and greatly advantages those who file extortionate suits -- the cost of actually defending a suit like this (tends of thousands of dollars) is much higher than the cost of settling. Worse, by filing suit the plaintiffs get the right to use the courts to coerce the defendant into assisting in the investigation (and to pay the costs of that!).

    A second problem is that even if you are successful in defending a lawsuit you are unlikely to get your legal (let alone indirect) costs reimbursed.

    So, the solution is: first, to require more evidence before a lawsuit can be filed, and, second, to make cost shifting the default when a lawsuit is dismissed on the pleading.

    1. Re:Threshold for filing suit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More evidence before a lawsuit is filed?

      GREAT, thanks, with that idea you'll be playing right into the hands of the corporations instead.

      Injured parties will suffer because of that idea, and you can bet that it will be to the detriment of regular folks more than corporations instead.

      Especially since one of the reasons why a lawsuit happens is BECAUSE they can't legally get evidence first any other way, and I'll be honest, I don't want them acting outside the auspices of the courts. Or do you think they'd just sit on their hands and go off crying?

      That's quite optimistic.

      I get that you want to fix the system, I get that you're concerned about abuses, but sometimes things exist for a reason, and sometimes that reason is because the other way of doing things is worse.

      At least come up with some way to avoid the clear problems with your ideas. I don't want you making it hard for us to sue them to fix a problem with them suing us.

    2. Re:Threshold for filing suit by cheaphomemadeacid · · Score: 0

      you know, in a real country you could probably go to the police and report them for extortion and mafia practices...

    3. Re:Threshold for filing suit by dkf · · Score: 1

      So, the solution is: first, to require more evidence before a lawsuit can be filed, and, second, to make cost shifting the default when a lawsuit is dismissed on the pleading.

      Actually, it's the reimbursement of reasonable costs that is important. If a plaintiff withdraws their suit, they should have to make the defendant whole (pay legal costs, etc.) though only if those costs are proportionate to the action. (This is vital: lawyers must not be encouraged to pad out costs, and everyone needs to use an appropriate level of legal representation, and not jump straight to the most expensive method in the hope of scaring off the other side.) Similarly, if a plaintiff wins their case then their reasonable legal costs should also be reimbursed; the court must not be stacked against either plaintiff or defendant (other than in the level of proof required for criminal cases, of course).

      The only just goal must be to discourage the bringing of cases without sufficient merit, not to deny fair access to the law.

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    4. Re:Threshold for filing suit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...So, the solution is: to fix copyright law into something sane.

      FTFY.

    5. Re:Threshold for filing suit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it's not too low. If someone

      1. Have the film on your computer (or the family shared computer) and
      2. It's shared for other users to download

      They are guilty. Period. No exceptions except for the stick-it-to-the-man idiots out there.

      Shouldn't even matter if the film was downloaded or ripped from DVD or Blu-ray, you are guilty.

      (How about some company profits off free open source without obeying the GPL--that should be okay, right? No, everyone would cry foul.)

      NO SHARING OF COPYRIGHTED MATERIAl AGAINST ITS LICENSE AGREEMENT, PERIOD.

      Oh yeah, and there shouldn't even be a trial--the evidence is there, the guilty is already proven. It should just be pay the fine or be incarcerated.

    6. Re:Threshold for filing suit by Travelsonic · · Score: 1

      The problem, derpazoid, is four fold: 1. PROVING it, 1. targeting the RIGHT people, and making sure that methods are used with a far lower rate of error, 3. reimbursing the people WRONGFULLY accused and dreagged through the legal system for no reason, and 4. A LOGICAL, REASONABLE result that doesn't involve bankrupting the accused-and-actually-proven-guilty.

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  13. real reason..? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's worried that the downloaded porn could jeopardize his Network Security job?

    I'd be more worried about them finding out about the unsecured home wireless he's blaming for his 'unwholesome' listening habits.

  14. Re:Big ol' curses by monkyyy · · Score: 0, Redundant

    tl;dr

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  15. Legally blind != Totally blind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just because someone is legally blind, does not mean they have no sight whatsoever. There is a massive difference. I do know people who are legally blind who download and watch plenty of things. They can see, but just not very well. It is possible this guy could watch porn, he just can't legally drive a car.

    1. Re:Legally blind != Totally blind by Amyntas · · Score: 1

      Precisely. I was about to make the same point, but I found yours. ;)

      Stolen off the internet: ( I'll probably be in court next week for this! ) :P
      "In North America and most of Europe, legal blindness is defined as visual acuity (vision) of 20/200 (6/60) or less in the better eye with best correction possible. ... Approximately *ten percent* of those deemed legally blind, by any measure, have no vision. "

      So, as you said, by no means does 'Legally Blind' make him totally blind.

    2. Re:Legally blind != Totally blind by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Just because someone is legally blind, does not mean they have no sight whatsoever. There is a massive difference. I do know people who are legally blind who download and watch plenty of things. They can see, but just not very well. It is possible this guy could watch porn, he just can't legally drive a car.

      Being legally blind doesn't necessarily hinder one from driving a car either. The blindness can be situational, for a situation that never occurs in a car.

      But more to the point, this movie is a moaner, and blind people enjoy listening to porn as much as seeing people enjoy watching it, so even if he had had no vision at all, he could still "enjoy" the movie.

    3. Re:Legally blind != Totally blind by Sedated2000 · · Score: 1

      It has been pointed out already though, that his blindness was more severe than simply not being able to drive a car. From the descriptions provided, his vision means his computer use is almost nonexistant without the express help of his wife. I am more inclined in this case to give him the benefit of doubt.

    4. Re:Legally blind != Totally blind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good point. The wife probably did the downloading. They should sue her too.

    5. Re:Legally blind != Totally blind by embolalia · · Score: 1

      The article states that he "is legally blind, with vision roughly 1/100th of that of a person with normal sight." Now, I would assume that that means 20/2000 as opposed to 20/20. Relatively-but-not-entirely-undisgraced former New York Governor David Paterson has 20/400 vision, if I remember correctly, and signed his name like this: http://news.icanhascheezburger.com/tag/david-paterson/ I think it's safe to say the man wasn't watching for the video (though he may enjoy listening). You aren't wrong; legally blind is absolutely different from completely blind. But in this case, the distinction is essentially trivial.

  16. That's some great detective work they're doing. by rebelwarlock · · Score: 1

    So far they've brought lawsuits on dead people, children, and now a blind guy. What's next, someone who doesn't even own a computer? Oh wait, they totally did that already.

    1. Re:That's some great detective work they're doing. by vgerclover · · Score: 1

      Or a printer.

  17. Downloaded for the Audio? by Peebz · · Score: 1

    Playing devil's advocate here, but did it occur to anyone that maybe he downloaded it for the audio? A solid audio track can let the imagination run wild :)

    1. Re:Downloaded for the Audio? by nloop · · Score: 1

      Or that "legally blind" can still mean usable vision. He uses a screen magnifier according to the article.

    2. Re:Downloaded for the Audio? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Might as well download some ASCII porn then.

    3. Re:Downloaded for the Audio? by sjames · · Score: 1

      You need to try an experiment. Find a TV with a 72inch or larger screen. Play a movie on it. Now, place the tip of your nose on the screen. Enjoy, you can see the movie better than he can with the magnifier.

      Legally blind doesn't NECESSARILY mean a person can't watch a movie, but in many cases, it does. TFA also noted he has 1/100 normal vision, so about 20/2000 and that he doesn't watch movies.

    4. Re:Downloaded for the Audio? by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      If he can read text on a computer with that magnifier, I think he can make out female anatomy. And that notwithstanding, you think blind people can't listen to porn?

      Not saying he did it, but his disability is definitely not a particularly strong alibi. And wow, his excuse that he never even thought to secure his home network doesn't help either his case or his credibility in *network security*!

    5. Re:Downloaded for the Audio? by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      TFA also noted [...] that he doesn't watch movies.

      Yes, imagine if the guys lawyers said "He's blind but he watches movies, so he couldn't possible have downloaded movies".
      No, instead imagine the possibility of - I know it's hard to concieve, but purely hypothetically speaking - a lawyer lying.

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    6. Re:Downloaded for the Audio? by sjames · · Score: 1

      Text on a computer screen doesn't move. You can read it character by character if necessary.

      As for his network, it may just mean that he doesn't spout the usual cargo cult rules of thumb. A home network is a low value target, especially if the machines on it are independently secured (and they should be). He may not have considered the case of someone downloading porn and getting a shake down from a slimeball lawyer aided and abetted by the full weight of the U.S. courts (many people actually have no idea the courts have become such patsys). After all, the social contract is SUPPOSED to include the rule that if you don't do anything wrong, you have nothing to fear from the courts or the police (if only that was still true).

      Given the track record of the IP extortionists, it really doesn't take all that much to convince me that they are once again (and again and again) wrong. Being nearly blind coupled with a plausible explanation (the open wifi) is good enough.Given that the plaintiff's strongest evidence (they say they saw his IP address in a torrent swarm) is entirely explained away, they have nothing.

    7. Re:Downloaded for the Audio? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Yeah I have an uncle who needs the fonts on his computer amped up to jumbo-size to see them at all and sits with his knees to his near-50" TV, he can't see well enough to drive and would likely be considered legally blind (hasn't been tested), but he can still watch things just fine if they're up close and big enough.

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    8. Re:Downloaded for the Audio? by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      As for his network, it may just mean that he doesn't spout the usual cargo cult rules of thumb.

      Again, I think the way the government handles these types of things is naive and unprofessional, and personally I think these types of lawsuits should allow punitive damages for false claims that are so high one or two of them can put the paintiff out of business (*and* the law firm that pursued it, since they are just as guilty). I also believe the guy's story, I was just pointing out that it's in no way an airtight alibi, since blind people can "experience" porn in different ways (and in his case he can clearly see something, even if it's more like a scrambled analog Playboy channel form the 80's) If this case is pursued, it's the same argument a lawyer could make...

      But CLEARLY those security rules of thumb are there for a reason - this is not the first time someone has been accused of piracy or something worse like child pornography, and as a security expert he has undoubtedly seen these cases. If his reason for not securing his network was that he doesn't like to follow "cargo cult rules of thumb", that's even worse than just making a mistake, because it was an intentional lack of judgement in security matters that burned him.

      But anyway, from the article it's already clear it has nothing to do with rules of thumb or evaluation of risk, he already admitted it was a mistake of oversight - an embarrassing one, but one I'm sure he won't make again...

    9. Re:Downloaded for the Audio? by sjames · · Score: 1

      As for the security aspect, to be fair, we have no reason to believe that his machines have been compromised in any way. Other than the patently unjust workings of the civil court system and these copyright trolls, there actually IS no good reason to secure a home WiFi as long as the machines in your home are secured appropriately for being on a public network or you segregate the wired and wireless networks.

      He also wouldn't be the first security expert to advocate open wifi. Back in the days of WEP, it really was best to make it open to avoid creating any silly illusion that it was anything but wide open.

      It is sad but true that the screwed up legal system is one after the other making what used to be considered simple decency and good manners inadvisable under any circumstances.

  18. Why wouldn't a blind man watch a movie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why on earth would anyone make the assumption that a man is incapable of watching a movie because he is legally blind? First off, the standard for being legally blind includes a wide range of low vision conditions that would most certainly make it possible for the person to watch movies visually. Secondly, even totally blind people often enjoy movies (and will use the idiom of 'watching' a movie routinely) because many movies can be enjoyed quite well without being able to visually see them (sometimes with minor or moderate verbal commentary from a friend or so).

    Clearly, visual impairment and blindness is still majorly misunderstood.

  19. Always so quick to judge... by Spodi · · Score: 1

    There are plenty of reason why a blind individual could be downloading porn. Audio being one. Or for boosting ratio. Or just for the heck of sharing. Maybe he downloaded it for a friend? Maybe his neighbor was using his internet connection. Hell, maybe it was his wife. There are plenty of reasons, even if they are stupid ones. I'm all for torrenting, but to think someone is innocent because they downloaded a movie they can't see is just stupid.

    1. Re:Always so quick to judge... by PPH · · Score: 1

      The dog did it.

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  20. Don't be so sure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I would be cautious about that, some ISP contracts do require you to take steps to secure your wireless if you have one, and otherwise make you agree to be liable to anything that happens with the internet access they are providing to you.

    It may not be a crime, per se, but it can be illegal as a contract violation.

    1. Re:Don't be so sure. by vegiVamp · · Score: 1

      An ISP contract cannot make you legally liable to other people's actions that have nothing to do with the ISP themselves. You can't ask for more volume based off "other people used it, not me"; but they can't say "if you don't secure your wireless you are legally responsible for BP's oil spills".

      As an ISP is nothing but a carrier (this is why net neutrality is important), they cannot make you responsible for copyright infringements other people commit on your open network.

      *if* the ISP is not liable for those copyright infringements otherwise; and *if* the law doesn't make you liable already.

      Then again, IANAL; there may be backdoors that prevent common sense from being useful. Come to think of it, there probably are.

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    2. Re:Don't be so sure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The owner of a car is liable for any traffic infringements committed with it. They automatically receive fines in the mail for eg. being caught by a speed camera.
      If you weren't driving at the time, you can provide a stautory declaration saying so, and who WAS driving it, if you know.
      You either need to prove you couldn't have been driving at the time (eg. video surveillance of you being elsewhere, or a police report listing it stolen before the infringement), or the named person needs to admit guilt. If they don't, you can sue them, but you'll still need to prove it.

      Internet accounts aren't much differenent. If you're the account holder you'll automatically receive copyright infringement notices. You're assumed to be the perpetrator, until you legally declare you aren't. If you can easily prove it, or get someone else to admit guilt, chances are you'll be absolved of blame without the courts being involved. If you can't, you're welcome to take it to court and fight it. This guy did. He didn't win.

      The whole fucking point is that the majority of these people AREN'T proving their innocence. You can't be held liable for crimes someone else commits (disregarding accessory, conspiracy, receiving stolen property etc), but if it's done under your credentials, using your services, or using items you own, it's assumed to be you unless you prove otherwise. That's common sense.

    3. Re:Don't be so sure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An ISP contract cannot make you legally liable to other people's actions that have nothing to do with the ISP themselves. You can't ask for more volume based off "other people used it, not me"; but they can't say "if you don't secure your wireless you are legally responsible for BP's oil spills".

      Don't be a moron. There's a distinct difference between not you securing your wi-fi and being held responsible for what BP does on their oil rigs.

      Courts are certainly capable of realizing such facts on their own. They do it all the time, with negligence and malpractice cases, so don't fool yourself into thinking they don't.

      As an ISP is nothing but a carrier (this is why net neutrality is important), they cannot make you responsible for copyright infringements other people commit on your open network.

      *if* the ISP is not liable for those copyright infringements otherwise; and *if* the law doesn't make you liable already.

      Then again, IANAL; there may be backdoors that prevent common sense from being useful. Come to think of it, there probably are.

      You are not a lawyer, and you are not using common sense. Your contract with your ISP can, and probably does, make you responsible for activity on your account, and that includes securing your wireless if you have it.

      That makes you liable if you don't do it, because clearly you should have known better.

      People who fall back on the "Oh, I didn't know what was happening" may get some credit, perhaps, with a sympathetic judge, but perhaps not, judges do know that kind of lie IS a common excuse. They do have experience with offenders denying responsibility after all.

      So don't expect not to be held responsible.

  21. meh by ajzimm3rman · · Score: 0

    "tracked his Internet protocol (IP) address, the unique number assigned to a computer when it connects to the Web"

    1. Re:meh by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Well at least he's upgraded to IPv6.

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  22. Jeopardizing his career? by phizi0n · · Score: 1

    "The amusement quickly turned to anxiety. Doe, then living in Santa Clara, Calif., had just accepted a job in the network-security division of a Seattle software company. (He is able to work using a pair of computer programs that read his e-mails aloud and magnify a portion of his computer screen.) The mere suggestion that he swaps illicit smut online could jeopardize his career."

    "'I didn't have time to set up the wireless network in my old apartment,' he says. 'I was working 18-hour days so I just told my wife to go to Best Buy and pick up a router. She installed it, hit next, next, finish, and boom, that was it. We lived in a very upscale building, there was no riffraff. We just assumed we didn't have anything to worry about.'"

    Isn't the fact that he's working in network security and didn't secure his own wireless network, assuming there was nothing to worry about, much more damaging to his career than whatever porn he may or may not have pirated.

    1. Re:Jeopardizing his career? by PPH · · Score: 3, Funny

      The mere suggestion that he swaps illicit smut online could jeopardize his career.

      At very least, HR would have questioned the status of his being blind and taken away his handicapped parking privileges.

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    2. Re:Jeopardizing his career? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HR: "You downloaded a porn flick via bittorrent?"
      blind guy: "Unfortunately, Comcast thinks so.."
      HR: "That's it, you faker! Park in the Scratchy Lot like everyone else. The tram runs every 10 minutes..."

    3. Re:Jeopardizing his career? by vgerclover · · Score: 2

      You people give handicapped parking privileges to legally blind employees?

    4. Re:Jeopardizing his career? by Dahamma · · Score: 2

      Hopefully they would have done that the first time the *blind* guy parked his car in that spot...

    5. Re:Jeopardizing his career? by pxc · · Score: 1

      As silly as this sounds, there are actually reasonable times this should happen. Depending on the local law, legally blind persons can keep or earn a driver's license provided that they go through some approved adaptive driving program. These programs involve the use of accessibility devices like special glasses featuring mounted bifocal binoculars (yes, they are as hard to use as it sounds). Without these devices, the driving would be both illegal and unfeasible. In an effort not to lose them, I'd imagine most legally blind people, not much suited to searching for things, leave them in the car rather than take them inside to work or wherever they go. (I know some people who leave them in their car just to avoid the stares.)

      This all sets you up for a situation where a legally blind employee (without an assigned parking space) who drove to work exits the building, enters the parking lot, and has a very hard time finding their car. If employees of their rank don't usually get designated parking spaces, depending on the size of the campus, this can be seriously hopeless. It seems to me that the easiest thing to do in that scenario (esp. granted that they have a registered disability since they need to go through some registration process to even get their special driver's license) is to just give them a handicapped space. Being closer to the building is also helpful.

      There's also the case that the legally blind person isn't even the driver or car owner. Think of the wheelchair painted on those spaces: does the person in the wheelchair always (or even usually) actually drive that car?

      (Sorry for strangling your joke.)

    6. Re:Jeopardizing his career? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Damn right. I bring pirated movies to work for the other guys in the IT department and talk about pirating stuff all the time. I just helped my boss get his satellite-pirating box working. Hasn't hurt my career. If anything it makes me look more l33t.

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    7. Re:Jeopardizing his career? by PPH · · Score: 1

      In an effort not to lose them, I'd imagine most legally blind people, not much suited to searching for things, leave them in the car rather than take them inside to work or wherever they go. (I know some people who leave them in their car just to avoid the stares.)

      Most Major League Baseball umpires do.

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  23. Presidential Appointments are Important by Jodka · · Score: 5, Informative

    A former RIAA lobbyist, Beryl Howell, is a now a federal judge ruling on these copyright extortion cases and siding with the extortionists:

    Most cyber-pirates are prosecuted in the nation's capital. More than 85,000 John Does are currently caught in ongoing litigation in the district's federal court, according to the EFF. Not only is D.C. the home court of Dunlap, Grubb and Weaver, it is also the jurisdiction of Judge Beryl Howell, who worked as a lobbyist for the RIAA from 2004 to 2009, during the peak of the organization's anti-piracy campaign....

    Naturally, Howell's background has prompted skepticism about her impartiality when it comes to ruling on John Doe cases. She was paid $415,000 to lobby on the RIAA's behalf as the Executive Managing Director and General Counsel at Stroz Friedberg LLC, a consulting firm, according to the Center for Responsive Politics and the implu Corporation, a company that tracks spending by lobbying firms.

    This appointment mischief was covered previouslyon Slashdot.

    As pointed out previously, Beryl Howard is a Obama appointee, and not his first RIAA appointee.

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    1. Re:Presidential Appointments are Important by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      I've always found this strange about the american justice system.
      Could you please explain why a judge is elected through politics? It practically guarentees them to be partial.
      There's supposed to be three independant branches of government, yet the legislative seems to control the judicial branch.

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    2. Re:Presidential Appointments are Important by Solandri · · Score: 1

      Back when the U.S. was founded, the country was mostly rural and agrarian. Education was spotty, and it was assumed that most people weren't smart enough / not educated enough to make a good political decision. Voting was initially limited to white male landowners.

      Against this backdrop, the founders wanted government powers not just split 3-ways, but with different sections of government less responsive to the "heat of passion" of the electorate. The House of Representatives was to be most responsive to the electorate, coming up for re-election every 2 years. The President was next, coming up for re-election every 4 years. Senators and judges were insulated from the electorate. Senators were appointed for 6 years by state legislatures. And judges were appointed for life by the President, but the Senate has to approve the appointment.

      The landowning requirement was dropped in the early 1800s, followed by race after the Civil War (1860s), then gender (1920). Election of Senators was moved away from the state legislature and to the electorate in 1913. Judges are the last remaining government branch insulated from the direct electorate. Having Senators directly elected probably took some of the steam out of political will for direct election of judges (since the Senate has to approve judicial appointments). FWIW, many judges at the State and local level do have to be elected or have their appointments regularly approved by the electorate.

    3. Re:Presidential Appointments are Important by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

      >>Could you please explain why a judge is elected through politics? It practically guarentees them to be partial.
      >>There's supposed to be three independant branches of government, yet the legislative seems to control the judicial branch.

      Popular elections elect a lot of local judges, not congress.

      Judges rarely face challenges in a lot of districts, but sometimes they'll do something that pisses off the electorate so much they lose the next election. It's a check-and-balance type thing.

    4. Re:Presidential Appointments are Important by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      I am confused. How would you select judges?
      However, your perception of how American judges are selected seems to be distorted. The first thing to realize is that there are two completely separate categories of judges in the American judicial system. The first two groups are state judges and federal judges (this particular judge is a federal judge). Federal judges are appointed by the President, subject to approval or rejection by the Senate. Once they are approved, they hold that seat for life unless they resign it (either to retire, or to accept another position) or are impeached by Congress. How state judges get their jobs is more complicated, as that depends on the laws and constitution of the individual state. Some states hold elections for judges. Some states have the governor appoint the judges subject to approval by the state legislature. I believe one or two states have some sort of commission that selects judges. Additionally, some states where the governor appoints judges require that they stand for re-election after a period of time.

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    5. Re:Presidential Appointments are Important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why Obama got the Nobel for. Circumventing rule of law has always been a big favorite of the committee.

  24. Assholes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've had enough of this. From now on I won't pay anything for "artistic work". Stupid fucks. Any artist here? Tough luck. Get a job.

  25. IT WAS A "PRE-CRIME" ARREST by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    In anticipation of the innovation of digital "Smell-o-Vision", by pornographers.

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  26. Okay, I Get That The Guy Didn't Download It, But.. by crackspackle · · Score: 2

    For those that do use bittorrent for movies, why do you still do it ? The question isn't about the propriety but rather the risk. It takes a $1 to rent a movie from Redbox and about an hour to rip it on a Core i7. That's as opposed to 3 hour/day/months to download it from the Net and you could wind up getting a bad encode as well as a case of the lawyer - ISP crabs. Granted Redbox doesn't do porn, but places like SugarDVD do and you get to choose what you want.

  27. copyright is dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The authors of the article still don't get it. They talk as if suing 1000s of Does is a bad answer to the problem of how to enforce copyright. Despite the critical tone of the article, they still worship at the altar of Holy Copyright, and never question the law itself, just the tactics of the lawers.

    Copyright isn't the goal, copyright is the problem. The goal is to encourage progress in the arts and sciences. Copyright is only a means, one that always had a lot of problems, and which now works so poorly that it should be replaced.

  28. Re:Okay, I Get That The Guy Didn't Download It, Bu by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

    The question isn't about the propriety but rather the risk.

    The risk is probably pretty small if you know what you're doing.

    It takes a $1 to rent a movie from Redbox and about an hour to rip it on a Core i7.

    Well, for people that do pirate these movies, they might not want to make any trips or sign up for any services. Or, if they're "greedy" by most peoples' standards, they might just want to save a dollar.

    And perhaps the time it takes them to download it and such is irrelevant to them. All they're really doing most of that time is waiting, and typically, they can do other things while they wait. Maybe it just doesn't matter to them if it'll take a bit longer.

    and you could wind up getting a bad encode

    Probably not likely if you pay attention to comments (assuming they exist).

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  29. Re:Okay, I Get That The Guy Didn't Download It, Bu by Jiro · · Score: 1

    If you don't do it, that won't get rid of your risk. Cue the stories about people without computers being sued.

  30. Psychic by lopaka1998 · · Score: 1

    He can see the movie magically in his head as it plays. He envisions the movie's "psychic vibe rays" in the air as it is projected across to the wall. He can do this in real time, before the light actually hits the wall, so he can see the movie's end before anyone else can. All good psychics can, you know!

  31. Re:Okay, I Get That The Guy Didn't Download It, Bu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For those that do use bittorrent for movies, why do you still do it ? The question isn't about the propriety but rather the risk. It takes a $1 to rent a movie from Redbox and about an hour to rip it on a Core i7. That's as opposed to 3 hour/day/months to download it from the Net and you could wind up getting a bad encode as well as a case of the lawyer - ISP crabs. Granted Redbox doesn't do porn, but places like SugarDVD do and you get to choose what you want.

    If you live in a country with decent internet speeds/prices and use private trackers, it takes 5-10 mins to download a 20 minute porn scene in 1920x1080 resolution (about 500-600mb)... or so I have heard :p

    Private trackers have a very low risk of "ISP crabs" and usually have screenshots and comments so you can see if the quality is good. Anyway, who actually pays for porn?

  32. legally blind doesn't mean he can't see porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That just legal excess playing stupid to get people worked up...
    legally blind means vision is too impaired to drive, etc... it does not mean he cannot see colors, shapes, movement... "legally bilind" is not sufficient to rule out enjoyment of porn films... adtually, legally blind people can see with powerful eye glasses in many cases, or other vision augmenting systems.

  33. Downloading is Not Theft by TemperedAlchemist · · Score: 1

    "because of the nature of the swarm downloads . . . every infringer is simultaneously stealing copyrighted material."

    No, not stealing. Stealing copyrighted material is going into the store and shoplifting a DVD. Don't they teach grammar in law school?

    1. Re:Downloading is Not Theft by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      So, because the word "Stealing" was invented/defined before the internet was created, crimes committed online cannot be stealing?

      What if you interpret stealing to be "Obtaining non-free content without paying for it". Now it doesn't matter whether you shoplift it, or download it. No matter which way you try to bend words, downloading movies is a form of theft. Do not be under the allusion that it isn't, or try to quote "Information wants to be free".

      "Sticking it to the Man" is also not acceptable. If you don't like the RIAA, you boycott them by NOT WATCHING IT. Not liking them does not mean it's not longer illegal to steal from them.

    2. Re:Downloading is Not Theft by GauteL · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "What if you interpret stealing to be "Obtaining non-free content without paying for it". Now it doesn't matter whether you shoplift it, or download it. No matter which way you try to bend words, downloading movies is a form of theft"

      Interpretation would not be enough. You would have to redefine the word theft.

      You commit two major sins in this debate. The first is the straw man of assuming that just because someone objects to equating copyright infringement with theft that they approve of copyright infringement. The second straw man is that in your attempt to ridicule to opponent you misrepresent him by mentioning a coupel of his possible lesser important arguments, leaving out the biggest reason that copyright infringement is not theft.

      Theft takes an object away from the original owner. If someone steals my car, the spiteful part of me may hope that the thief won't enjoy it, but the major reason I'm feeling pissed off is that I no longer have a car. Copyright infringement does no such thing. Since copyright infringement doesn't share the most important property of theft, it is not theft.

      Copyright infringement, may take a sale away from the copyright holder. This is by no means certain, the infringer may not have legally licensed/purchased even if he couldn't get it for free. At best you can say that copyright infringement take away a potential sale. In some cases this is not even true, since some infringers does indeed end up purchasing the product.

      So these two actions are different and the reason copyright holders want to equate them is an attempt to get more sympathy from the public. This attempt at redefining the word "theft" is disingenuous but you seem to have fallen for it nonetheless.

      Note that this post does not mean that I approve of copyright infringement. It is a different action, but it may still be objectionable.

    3. Re:Downloading is Not Theft by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      I know that this a meme among many people here on slashdot, but it is wrong. The use of the words "steal" and "theft" to apply to making copies of copyrighted works without the permission of the copyright owner goes back as far as I can track. I found a contemporary record mentioning someone "stealing" Shakespeare's work (which I believe predates all copyright law).

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      The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
    4. Re:Downloading is Not Theft by geekoid · · Score: 1

      If I steal your TV, you have lost a TV.
      If I copy your TV, you have lost nothing. Not stealing.

      The TV manufacture lost is a potential sale.

      Just to be clear, It's illegal and calling it by it's proper name prevent confusion and emotional manipulation.

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      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    5. Re:Downloading is Not Theft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it was free -> The pirate bay charges nothing for this content. (You see it is very hard to define words)

      It is hard to define such terms since there are many cases in the grey zone:
      1. There is a pay wall but the link is exposed (that is you find the link to the file and can directly download it). (Is this stealing?)
      2. Your friend buys a DVD rips it and gives it to you to watch it (Is this stealing?)
      3. You find the movie uploaded on a third party server with open access. (Is this stealing?)
      4. You make a copy of a movie you downloaded by paying the company. (Is this stealing?)
      5. You download the movie from a third party site (which illegally sells copies - bootleg).

      You see it is hard to define stealing in digital content since we are dealing with intangible content. You CAN steal a chair but that is material and easy to determine if you steal it, however, it is very hard to STEAL something that is immaterial (since there is no one owner and can be created in matter of seconds).

      What we need is to define what stealing is in digital content, and make companies and lawyers to stop claiming theft of immaterial items. (Yes illegally distributed the film without a license is ok, but stealing your line of thought is not possible)

    6. Re:Downloading is Not Theft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By every definition, taking something that you did not pay for, that was not rightfully given to you, is theft. Torrenting programs, media, or other items that are not legally in the public domain (ie. that no one has a claim to), is ABSOLUTELY theft. Just because you found it on the net, doesn't mean it's free.

      Anyone who torrents is responsible for the bits of detritus that are stored on their system by the software. Whether it is pirated movies or software, or even kiddie porn, it's YOUR responsibility.

    7. Re:Downloading is Not Theft by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      well.. "stealing" information is not the same as stealing silk. you might be stealing the livelihood of some people if you tell them how silk is made, but you could only argue the actual stealing of silk moths needed for the process would qualify as theft. what you qualify as information then changes a lot - I bet a lot of people would indeed be willing to steal original film copies for pretty vain reasons, but copies of copies of copies.. that turns into just being information, information on how the world came to be as it is now and information of what was written, recorded and published. why do you think text books to africa are so expensive? why would it take 400 times some kenyans yearly income to get up to speed on current culture? Luther wasn't stealing from Vatican when he spilled the beans on what's actually written in the bible to masses, but he didn't do it by stealing biblical manuscripts, but he did cause a lot of grief for Vaticans proxy taxing.

      also copyright legislation has been twisted during the past 70 years to be something entirely else than what it was intended to be for the benefit of all mankind.. what's the amount of profit that an art piece should get? that can't be defined, ever. if the people who make art for profit would get to choose, you wouldn't be even allowed to mention that duke nukem forever looks like it's shit because then you're "stealing from them". furthermore every single guy who works in electronic games industries these days copied games - and in the 80's they even ripped commercial songs, rewrote them to .sid and their work got called brilliant - now try that today? fair for whom?

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    8. Re:Downloading is Not Theft by RivenAleem · · Score: 0

      Well those are the big questions, what is the most important property of theft, and do you need to fulfill all, some, or just major properties to be considered a true theft?

      Being the Internet, it's hard to assure yourself of a 100% honest answer, but really, how many people can truely say, "with hand on heart" that they never willingly downloaded copyrighted content, with the intention of watching it so they could avoid paying for it. You might have a motivation like "well I heard it was bad, so I felt it wasn't worth the asking price" or "but surely it doesn't hurt the artists, I've seen how much money they make".

      Are you still breaking the spirit of it by taking for free, what someone has attached a price to it.

      You might argue that you would never have bought it in the first place, so taking it for free doesn't count. But that still doesn't take away the fact that you are receiving (regardless of the distributing of content by virtue of peer-to-peer transfer) something that has a monetary value attached to it, and not by way of a gift from the person who 'owns' said content.

      Another little thing to think about. You are surely aware of the line "You stole my idea!". And your last line would lead me to believe that you are not adverse to the ideals of patenting truly innovative inventions, a system in place to allow someone time to get an idea from concept to a marketable product. Well, surely stealing someone's idea does not remove the idea from their mind, you haven't deprived them of anything. They are still able to go with that idea and attempt to take it farther. What stops big companies from then looking at patent applications, ripping them off and getting to market faster than an individual can. Since you haven't _Physically_ taken anything away from anyone, it isn't theft.

      While copyright and patents are 2 different things, there is a definite parallel to be drawn. Theft does not mean the physical removal of something of worth from one player, leaving them without access to it anymore. It can also mean you are depriving someone of the potential to earn from what they have, or could, create.

      So to summarise, whether you were going to buy or not should be irrelevant, as soon as you download it, you have broken "the law", and you do not make amends for it until you Really buy what it was you downloaded. If you get caught between the download and the buying, they surely have the right to prosecute you for violation and theft. Second, you can steal something from someone without removing anything physical from their possession.

    9. Re:Downloading is Not Theft by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      If you came up with an idea for a new product, and I saw your blue prints, could I potentially steal it from you, without leaving you unable to develop your idea?

      Like my other post, you can steal something without removing it from their possession. Or in order to steal an idea, do I need to then kill/lobotomise you to ensure you no longer are in possession of it?

      This "its not stealing, it's copying" is getting tiring. If you try to euphamise it, are you not also guilty of emotional manipulation? The owner of the copyrighted material has lost _something_ but just not exactly what you are trying to say he lost.

    10. Re:Downloading is Not Theft by Travelsonic · · Score: 1

      OF course, you operate under the faulty presumption that theft is merely "taking something without paying for it" in the simplest form, when permissions or lack thereof is the true deciding factor - same with downloading copyrighted works, it is about permissions or lack thereof, not the status alone of the work.

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    11. Re:Downloading is Not Theft by Travelsonic · · Score: 1

      Well, you're talking in a lingual non-legal sense - which when taken to be literal, IMO of course, is wrong by proof by contradiction - the meme of course is talking LEGALLY.

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    12. Re:Downloading is Not Theft by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      If I steal your TV, you have lost a TV.

      And stimulated the economy! It's almost as good as a space-alien invasion!

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    13. Re:Downloading is Not Theft by TemperedAlchemist · · Score: 2

      The quote said, "stealing copyrighted material". In English, this means one was stealing something that was copyrighted, since "copyrighted" is an adjective. All definitions of stealing accepted that I'm familiar with regard stealing as "taking away wrongfully". Stealing a DVD from a store is an example of this, since it satisfies that that the material stolen is copyrighted.

      However, even if we were to look past this grammatical error and say, "they're also guilty of stealing," we create the problem touched on that downloading information is not stealing. It is copyright infringement. There is no taking away from anything. The information is merely copied, just as much if I were to take a picture of a painting. I did not steal the painting, I simply copied its information. If stealing were copyright infringement, then copyright infringement would have no use to the legal system. Stealing and downloading would be equals, and treated as the same. Because what's the difference between stealing 20 DVDs from a store and downloading 20 DVDs then?

      Copyrights were invented to help contend with this problem that it isn't stealing. Copyright infringement is its own crime, but calling infringers guilty of stealing as well is simply wrong and an attempt to tug at our feelings. I know they teach logic in law school, but lawyers do seem to love to make the appeal to emotion fallacy.

    14. Re:Downloading is Not Theft by Travelsonic · · Score: 1

      [citations needed, herr anonymous coward]

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    15. Re:Downloading is Not Theft by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      No, the person I was replying to clearly referred to "grammar" (although to be perfectly honest, I'm not quite sure what grammar has to do with incorrect use of a word). By using the word grammar, the poster was clearly referring to common usage, not legal profession specific usage. By common usage, one of the definitions of the word "steal" is making unauthorized copies of copyrighted material (and has been for several centuries).

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      The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
    16. Re:Downloading is Not Theft by Fned · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Now it so happened in the days of old Edo, as Tokyo was once called, that the storytellers told marvelous tales of the wit and wisdom of His Honorable Honor, Ooka Tadasuke.

      This famous judge never refused to hear a complaint, even if it seemed strange or unreasonable. People sometimes came to his court with the most unusual cases, but Ooka always agreed to listen. And the strangest case of all was the famous Case of the Stolen Smell.

      It all began when a poor student rented a room over a tempura shop - a shop where fried food could be bought. The student was a most likeable young man, but the shopkeeper was a miser who suspected everyone of trying to get the better of him. One day he heard the student talking with one of his friends.

      "It is sad to be so poor that one can only afford to eat plain rice," the friend complained.

      "Oh," said the student, "I have found a very satisfactory answer to the problem. I eat my rice each day while the shopkeeper downstairs fries his fish. The smell comes up, and my humble rice seems to have much more flavor. It is really the smell, you know, that makes things taste so good."

      The shopkeeper was furious. To think that someone was enjoying the smell of his fish for nothing! "Thief!" he shouted, "I demand that you pay me for the smells you have stolen."

      "A smell is a smell," the young man replied. "Anyone can smell what he wants to. I will pay you nothing!"

      Scarlet with rage, the shopkeeper rushed to Ooka's court and charged the student with theft. Of course, everyone laughed at him, for how could anyone steal a smell? Ooka would surely send the man about his business. But to everyone's astonishment, the judge agreed to hear the case.

      "Every man is entitled to his hour in court," he explained. "If this man feels strongly enough about his smell to make a complaint, it is only right that I, as city magistrate, should hear the case." He frowned at the amused spectators.

      Gravely, Ooka sat on the dais and heard the evidence. Then he delivered his verdict.

      "The student is obviously guilty," he said severely. "Taking another person's property is theft, and I cannot see that a smell is different from any other property."

      The shopkeeper was delighted, but the student was horrified. He was very poor, and he owed the shopkeeper for three month's smelling. He would surely be thrown into prison.

      "How much money have you?," Ooka asked him.

      "Only five mon, Honorable Honor," the boy replied. "I need that to pay my rent, or I will be thrown out into the street."

      "Let me see the money," said the judge.

      The young man held out his hand. Ooka nodded and told him to drop the coins from one hand to the other.

      The judge listened to the pleasant clink of the money and said to the shopkeeper, "You have now been paid. If you have any other complaints in the future, please bring them to the court. It is our wish that all injustices be punished and all virtue rewarded.

      "But most Honorable Honor," the shopkeeper protested, "I did not get the money! The thief dropped it from one hand to the other. See! I have nothing." He held up his empty hands to show the judge.

      Ooka stared at him gravely. "It is the court's judgement that the punishment should fit the crime. I have decided that the price of the smell of food shall be the sound of money. Justice has prevailed as usual in my court."

    17. Re:Downloading is Not Theft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sorry man you can't just redefine a word because it suites you or your cause. so yes copying music or movies from others isn't stealing if they want to call it something else and make that illegal they can, but its still not stealing

    18. Re:Downloading is Not Theft by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      How is this relevant? This is like comparing a movie to it's trailer, or a description of the movie on a review site, you are only getting part of the produce, the part that is freely available to the world, the part that cannot be governed.

    19. Re:Downloading is Not Theft by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1
      A thought experiment might help clarify this.

      Suppose a novelist writes a book and accidentally leaves a copy of the electronic manuscript on a public computer (or in another place where it might be accessible, though the author didn't intend it to be). Another person finds it and publishes it first -- making millions of dollars.

      Is that theft?

      Theft occurs when someone takes away something of value from someone else. Whether that thing is a physical object or not is to some extent irrelevant.

      By the way, the example I give is a better example of traditional copyright infringement, i.e., infringing on the right to make copies (and the subsequent profits that come from them). While I don't agree with our current copyright system, I also don't think it's an error to think of distributing someone else's work without their permission as a kind of "theft."

      What we need to do is reform the system to make it more rational and workable, not try to undermine the value of intellectual property -- otherwise, creators lose any incentive to invest their time in making something of value. (Note that I am not in favor of rewarding their descendants a century after they die or anything like that, as we do in the ridiculous current system -- the original copyrights were for only a few years to allow authors and publishers to recoup costs.)

    20. Re:Downloading is Not Theft by TemperedAlchemist · · Score: 1

      Not in any definition of theft or steal that I know of.

    21. Re:Downloading is Not Theft by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/steal
      Definition 2
      to appropriate (ideas, credit, words, etc.) without right or acknowledgment.

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      The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
    22. Re:Downloading is Not Theft by TemperedAlchemist · · Score: 1

      Yes, and "to appropriate" means to take for oneself.

    23. Re:Downloading is Not Theft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By every definition, taking something that you did not pay for, that was not rightfully given to you, is theft.

      No, that isn't the definition of theft. I mean, Jesus, you could've typed "theft definition" in that box on the top right of your screen and gotten it right.

    24. Re:Downloading is Not Theft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      otherwise, creators lose any incentive to invest their time in making something of value

      Meanwhile, in the real world, creators have been making things of value since before recorded history, all the way up until now, and will continue to do so in the future, whether there are any intellectual property protections or not. Not all, but a great many, and dare I say it, many enough.

      Weird, but importantly: True.

    25. Re:Downloading is Not Theft by Travelsonic · · Score: 1

      A thought experiment might help clarify this. Suppose a novelist writes a book and accidentally leaves a copy of the electronic manuscript on a public computer (or in another place where it might be accessible, though the author didn't intend it to be). Another person finds it and publishes it first -- making millions of dollars. Is that theft?

      Considering you copied a copy left behind - assuming the author copied for himself a copy of the work in question and was merely careless / didn't delete the file when he was done, I'd say no - what occurred was fraud.

      Theft occurs when someone takes away something of value from someone else.

      No, it occurs when somebody takes something away from somebody else - value or not.
      Being physical or not to an extent does matter though, since aside from digital currency and how that operates, nonphysical mediums like MP3s, text documents, etc can be created, copied, transformed in a number of ways that physical things can NOT [yet] - hence the distinctions being IMO of course absolutely relevant.

      I also don't think it's an error to think of distributing someone else's work without their permission as a kind of "theft."

      IMO then the question legitimately becomes, why [if you support that assertion], or why not for somebody who does not.

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      If you believe in privacy, and believe you have "nothing to hide" at the same time, you're a goddammed idiot
    26. Re:Downloading is Not Theft by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      I also don't think it's an error to think of distributing someone else's work without their permission as a kind of "theft."

      IMO then the question legitimately becomes, why [if you support that assertion], or why not for somebody who does not.

      Words have meanings that are determined by cultural usage. In law, they are often defined to have particular legal meanings.

      There are always some meanings that almost all speakers of a language agree on. For many words, there are often meanings that some people agree on or are aware of, while other people wouldn't use a word in that sense.

      "Theft" is the taking of someone's property without their permission. While you are trying to have a semantic argument about "theft," you're really questioning the meaning of "property." In legal terms, "intellectual property" is a well-established concept, dating back as term more than a century, and as a concept for quite a few centuries.

      When you sue someone for depriving you of property, you can often sue them for things that result from that property, as well as the value of the physical item (or the item itself). Damages are often computed based on what it cost you to be deprived of a piece of property, what value you might have accrued in said property had it been in your possession during the period of theft, etc. These are all intangibles relating to the theft of the property. I think one can reasonably understand a statement like, "When you stole that item, you also took my ability to do X," or "Your theft was not only of the item itself, but of the profits that would have accrued from it."

      Perhaps you would classify such usage as metaphorical use of the word "theft," but I think most English speakers would understand your meaning.

      In sum, intangible value can be "stolen," in the basic sense that theft deprives you of value you'd have otherwise. Yes, it's more abstract than the taking of a physical item, but people use such metaphors about intangibles ("He stole my time," etc.).

      Anyhow, you obviously don't believe that intellectual "property" exists. All I can say is that the law says it does. We can have a semantic argument about whether or not "intellectual property" makes sense, but if it does, it can be the object of "theft," at least in a metaphorical sense that is analogous to theft of a physical object in terms of its value to the owner.

    27. Re:Downloading is Not Theft by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile, in the real world, creators have been making things of value since before recorded history, all the way up until now, and will continue to do so in the future, whether there are any intellectual property protections or not. Not all, but a great many, and dare I say it, many enough.

      Weird, but importantly: True.

      Myths of romantic visions of artists. So 19th century.

      Also, most of those people who had the time to make significant contributions were rich -- they often had slaves or servants to do their work for them, since they were generally born into privilege, which allowed them the freedom to devote their time to the intellect or art or whatever.

      I'd like to think we've moved beyond a time when only rich people get to be creative.

      There's a reason copyright came into existence, and that is that publication used to be an expensive and time-consuming task, when it first started. Whether and how it is still relevant to the production of copies today is an interesting question, but creators still need to invest time in creating quality works. When rich people stopped supporting creators, the copyright system was the only way someone could make a living. Almost all of the big artists of the past few hundred years worked for a living -- either for rich people, or by selling their work. You can't sell your work if you don't have control over it.

      To your point, there are people who volunteer to do all sorts of things. Those who devote significant parts of their lives to things, if not their entire careers, often have a better chance of doing something well.

      I'd prefer to have a surgeon who has had good quality training and who has worked professionally for a while. I'd prefer to have an engineer design a bridge after having quality training and experience. I'd be less certain about the surgeon or the engineer if they acquired their abilities through informal study on weekends in their spare time.

      Does that mean that such a "spare-time" amateur surgeon can't be successful or an amateur civil engineer? Sure they might be occasionally. But I think we all recognize that there is enough value in having quality in surgery or bridges that we would prefer someone who devote much of their lives to something.

      While there will always be rich people who want to be creative and poor people who muddle through life trying to be creative without proper training, don't we as a society want to support creativity -- to allow a poor or middle-class person to have the choice to go to a school, learn something about a craft, and then be rewarded in their lives for doing it?

      Most artistic production (books, music, etc.) is already mediocre. Without allowing a person to be rewarded for investing time in such work (since all copyrightable work requires up-front time investment, not to mention generally training and practice beforehand), the chance that any particular person -- who isn't already rich -- will bother to produce something of quality and value is decreased.

      We used to have rich people and a "leisure class" who produced most of the quality art of the past, or who financed it by paying artists to do it. You can make all these arguments about altruism or devotion to creation or whatever drive you think people have who will do it anyway, but Michaelangelo didn't paint the Sistine Chapel for free. Bach didn't write his music for free. Poets and novelists were often more well-off, but when they weren't, they worked for money.

      Artists have to eat, just as much as doctors and engineers. But you have the temerity to insult artists by not valuing their craft enough to pay them. Shame on you.

      (P.S. By the way, in none of the preceding do I mean to imply that our current copyright system is fair or just -- it is completely broken and needs major reform, as I said in my original post. But the mythology that creators just do things because they suit them and have done so throughout history... NO -- THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEM DID IT FOR THE MONEY, OR THEY ALREADY WERE WELL-OFF ENOUGH OR IN OTHER POSITIONS THAT THEY DIDN'T NEED IT.)

  34. Re:Okay, I Get That The Guy Didn't Download It, Bu by crackspackle · · Score: 1

    A fair point, but that number is probably small compared to the ones who were actually downloading.

  35. Gibbon said the Roman empire failed... by ibsteve2u · · Score: 1

    ...because of the loss of 'civic virtue'. Me, I'm trying to figure out whether the institutionalized acceptance of any immoral act as long as it is for profit is a separate and distinct cause, or just a symptom of the loss of 'civic virtue'.

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    Orwell: "In a Time of Universal Deceit, telling the Truth is a Revolutionary Act"
    1. Re:Gibbon said the Roman empire failed... by Alex+Belits · · Score: 1

      It is a separate and distinct case, because it is specific to one country in one historical period. Everyone else either had people openly acting in blatantly immoral manner, hid harmful actions as still being shameful, did not have the harmful nature of some traditions and activities widely recognized, or invented excuses downplaying harm and emphasizing supposed virtues and benefits provided by wrongdoers.

      Modern US ideology is the first (and I hope, the last) case in the history of mankind when desire to something widely accepted as harmful and immoral is used as an excuse. Greed is not even alone in this list -- for example, look at how popular culture lionizes pimps.

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    2. Re:Gibbon said the Roman empire failed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, suing millions of innocent people will certainly weaken respect for our system of law. And deservedly. It's reckless, unfair, damaging, expensive, and pointless. They're fighting change. They're on the wrong side of history. It's lawyers vandalizing our legal system. The courts must be fair, and must not blindly enforce bad laws, must not give these legal sharks easy means to fish all of us all at once. Some laws are passed not because they are in the public interest, but as a favor to a special interest. It is almost expected that the courts see through such favoritism, and strike it down. Then the lawmakers can tell their donors that they tried, blame it all on the courts, and secretly be glad of the outcome. But if the courts miss it or are compromised, if they blow the many opportunities they will have to stop the madness, there will be trouble.

      To compound the injury, it's our tax money that is being spent on all this legal extortion, and our subscription fees that ISPs are being bullied into using to monitor us.

      Oh, that wasn't the immorality you meant?

  36. Re:Okay, I Get That The Guy Didn't Download It, Bu by travbrad · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think the biggest reason people pirate movies is simply convenience. It's the same reason people use Redbox and Netflix. The problem with Redbox is the selection is extremely limited. It really only works if you are interested in the newest and most popular movies. Redbox also requires a physical trip, and while a few mile drive may not seem like much, a few miles is still a lot more than none (particularly if you live through Minnesota winters like me).

    Netflix has a lot better selection, but it still doesn't come anywhere close to what is available to pirate (there are even out-of-print movies). A lot of Netflix's movies aren't available for streaming either, so a 15min torrent download is about 2 days faster than waiting 2 days for mail. I'm not sure what kind of internet you have that it takes days to download a movie, but a typical ripped/encoded movie torrent is only about 2GB.

    Now I'm not saying these reasons excuse/justify movie piracy, I'm just giving some thoughts on why people still do it. I bet a lot of people don't even know about these anti-piracy lawsuits either (it seems like common knowledge to a slashdot user), and probably assume they aren't going to be sued for millions of dollars because that would be insane. ;)

  37. Re:Okay, I Get That The Guy Didn't Download It, Bu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Small private trackers -- I don't see any reason MAFIAA agents can't infiltrate private trackers (despite the bullshit some people spew about "entrapment"), but they go for the big places where they can catch more pirates for the same efforts.

    2. How the fuck do you get months? Even on dialup, you could transfer a 1.4GB 720p x264 in under 3 days; at 1 Mb/s it's less than 4 hours, and anything over 2Mb/s is basically real-time (i.e. torrent the next movie while you're watching this one, or use a seedbox to leech one down in 10 minutes, then stream it direct). Of course, with a fast connection you'll probably spring for a 4.4GB 1080p version, but it's still not an issue, since you don't watch movies 24 hours a day. rsync and cron are your friends!

    (To be fair: I do spend nearly the cost of a streaming-only Netflix subscription on extra disk space for my VPS, so I can haul down multi-season TV packs and transfer them at leisure -- if I didn't download movies/TV, I'd still have the VPS, but I'd save that $6 a month on HDD space. But for torrenting single movies, 10 or 20GB is plenty.)

    3. Bad encodes? Oh, don't tell me, you've only ever used public trackers. Get on any private tracker, and you won't have to worry about that -- people who upload shit get their uploading permissions revoked.

  38. legally speaking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    legally blind != blind

  39. Re:Okay, I Get That The Guy Didn't Download It, Bu by crackspackle · · Score: 1

    Private trackers have a very low risk of "ISP crabs" and usually have screenshots and comments so you can see if the quality is good.

    My experience is that only newer stuff is available at reasonable speeds. Most seeders stop seeding soon after their share ratio gets over one and that really hurts the longevity of less popular or older data. Nothing's worse than getting >90% of a a huge file only to have the last seeder with a full file drop off. Second, there's no such thing as a safe private tracker unless you're the only one who has access, along the same lines of the only way to keep a secret is not to tell anyone. Once you start adding people, even those you know well, the risk of a compromise goes up. If unknowns are ever added, then it's definitely not safe. That's compounded by the fact you need a reasonably sized population to get enough variety and seeders to make it worthwhile.

    All that aside, I think the risk with bittorrent is too great now and getting worse. 100,000 users in the United States were sued last year and while most may get off, that's a large number compared to the number of people who actually use bittorrent in the U.S. . As money is made of these cases, you can expect that count and the number of lawyers participating to go up. Combined with the shame of being caught downloading porn, and I have no doubt you'll soon see some porn studios using shills to release their warez on the Net with the express purpose of suing those who download it.

    ( Meant as food for thought. I am not telling anyone what they should or shouldn't do).

  40. Legally blind does not mean sightless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...you insensitive clods. Legally blind means visual acuity of 20/200 or less on the Snellen scale. Movies are still quite watchable, albeit at 10+ times closer to the screen than normal viewing distance.

  41. Re:Okay, I Get That The Guy Didn't Download It, Bu by elashish14 · · Score: 1

    See!? 2GB / 2 days = 12.13 kB/s. Netflix is barely better than dial-up!

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  42. Re:Okay, I Get That The Guy Didn't Download It, Bu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How crappy is your internet?
    An average 700mb movie takes 10 minutes, TOPS to download.

    Also, streaming. That includes porn.

  43. They need to change the law... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... in these types of cases, if you are accused and win, the accuser needs to have to pay all legal fees, and a fine of 1 Million dollars. That would take away the lawyer's incentive, as well as incentivize the accused to fight the allegations.

  44. Blind people can still hear by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

    I know for a fact atleast some blind people go to the movies because they can still hear the story.
    Some movies (with actual stories and dialog) are better suited for this than others (from Hollywood), but the sounds of a typical porn might just get the job done for some blind folk.

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    1. Re:Blind people can still hear by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      And because there's generally someone in the row behind you giving a full running commentary of what's going on.

    2. Re:Blind people can still hear by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 1

      Yes because blind people would rather masturbate to dead silence than a bunch of Tokyo cougars moaning away.

  45. Simultaneous theft by qxcv · · Score: 1

    There's a quote I'd like to single out in that article from Voltage Pictures:

    Essentially, because of the nature of the swarm downloads as described above, every infringer is simultaneously stealing copyrighted material from many ISPs in numerous jurisdictions around the country.

    Next time somebody claims that downloading a film is analogous to stealing a car, I'm going to throw this one at them. "But I'm simultaneously stealing the car with a network of over 20, 000 of my peers, and each time one of them steals the car it creates a new car which is physically identical".
     
    We need a term for copyright trolls - if they can compare duplicating data to the practise of attacking and robbing ships at sea, surely we can throw a dictionary of FUD analogies at them, right?

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  46. Re:Okay, I Get That The Guy Didn't Download It, Bu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uhh.. you are aware that Redbox has a quite small collection of movies? Not everyone wants to watch the popular hollywood movies from 6 months ago.

  47. But how blind he is is described by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1

    I did know some blind people, granted fully blind as in being unable to see anything at all and while they did indeed hear tv and movies they did so mostly to fit in. It just isn't a medium aimed at them. Just as a deaf person might go to a concert just to experience it so he at least has some idea what everyone else is talking about or someone with no taste might go to a fine restaurant because that is where the party is being held.

    The idea that a person with a very high degree of blindness watches porn is not completely insane but it is highly unlikely. It is described in the article just how blind he is, note he has to have his email read out to him. So he obviously can't even READ pure text comfortable enough, the magnyfying probably allows him to see buttons and hit checkboxes.

    It is a different world, not completely seperate but there is a difference to listening to a movie so you can talk to your seeing friends AND listening to porn in private.

    Just because some legally blind people can see something doesn't mean all can. 99% blind is damned fucking blind.

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  48. Re:Okay, I Get That The Guy Didn't Download It, Bu by simoncpu+was+here · · Score: 2

    Answer: there is no Redbox DVD rental service in my location, you insensitive clod. :) The (legal) DVD stores in my location only sells old movies. The legal stores have actually reduced their price to match the price of an illegal DVD, but they still don't have the advantage of being able to sell the latest movies.

  49. Network-security professional? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's a "network-security professional", but his alibi is that he left his wireless router open? That seems more contradictory than a blind man downloading a porn film.

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  51. Re:Okay, I Get That The Guy Didn't Download It, Bu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It works out a lot quicker and easier for me to download a film than to get hold of the dvd and then spend time ripping it and then take the dvd back. A popular film will download in about 30-40 minutes. It's also less work involved to search for a film, click on a link or two to download it and come back a while later to find it all ready.

    If you're careful, there's only minimal risk involved and of course you realise that ripping a dvd is still copyright infringement, although you'd have to be unlucky to get caught doing that.

    Another consideration is the availability of new or rare films. Often, a dvd isn't released in my country (UK) whereas it's easily available to download - guess whether I'll bother waiting or just click, download and watch.

  52. Private Trackers - A Totally Different Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a user of private trackers exclusively, these are the reasons I continue to torrent movies:

    1. my ISP doesn't harass bittorrent users, so no trouble there

    2. Netflix Streaming and Redbox have a pitiful selection. To stage a comparison, the size of the Netflix catalog is something close to 12,000 titles including movies and TV shows. One of the three trackers I use for movies (no TV shows) currently has over 43,000 movies across several formats to make up over 73,000 torrents.

    4. I have a good, fast Internet connection. If I don't throttle my own use, I get download speeds of 2.5 MiB/s (yes, big-B). Well-seeded torrents are FAST. This means I can be out on a walk with friends, hear about an interesting film, set it to download on my home computer using my smartphone, and have it ready to watch by the time we get back to my house in 30 minutes.

    5. I'm still a student, and don't have a permanent job. Sometimes I have no income at all, and for that reason I avoid most monthly recurring expenses.

    To address your specific observations about problems with torrenting: I don't download, buy, or rent porn; my downloads do usually not take even 3 hours, and never several days; bad encodes aren't a problem on actively managed private trackers— on the one I used in a previous example, not only are the encodes all verifiably good, but almost every film available comes with subtitles on the site or embedded in the video container.

    As for the risk of getting caught: the membership on good, private trackers is exclusive, and very paranoid. Depending on your offense, getting banned can result in the banning of your invite tree as well as your parent member's entire invite tree. Such bans also extend to other sites, as the admins of different trackers know each other. Using different usernames on different sites won't necessarily save you from a cross-site ban, either, because trackers which have interview processes require that you disclose all other memberships to them during the application. Failing to do so is one of the offenses that typically results in one of these megabans. And of course, the logs tell stories that the admins can tell each other. Perhaps as another measure to avoid infiltration, such sites also sometimes employ an IP block blacklist similar to PeerBlock's in filtering their own membership.

    Finally, since users on these sites have modern torrent clients (each tracker has a whitelist of allowed clients), almost all nodes allow encryption, so using encrypted peers only doesn't cripple your download speed too badly. The privacy of membership all but negates the risk of the usual MPAA honeypot entrapment, and encryption + noise severely impedes attempts at packet analysis systems (like the one at my university).

    Oh! And of course there's this: private trackers often comprise the most enthusiastic lovers of art you'll find anywhere. Music trackers are filled with critics, producers, artists, and generally people of broad, nuanced taste. Movie trackers make a great place to discover new films, or even entire genres, for much the same reason. Netflix, for all it's convenience, ain't cookin' with love. ;-)

    1. Re:Private Trackers - A Totally Different Game by crackspackle · · Score: 1

      Thank you and all for your replies. You make some good points, particularly with the use of private trackers.

  53. Typical US insanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah the fucked up US judicial system.
    How about the filing magistrates only accepting REAL, plausible damages (using common sense) when taking on a case and not some imaginary sum thought up by a greedy lawyer ?
    ex : illegal download of Latex Bimbos in Maple Syrup 7, that's REAL damage to "copyright" (which could be dismissed as having no claim because of obscenity and no artistic merit but that's another argument) owner of 25$. Seeded it 20 times to others ? 25x20=500$ worth of damages. Minimum sum of damages to go to court : 3000$, so not receivable by a regular court. Try judge Judy then maybe ?

  54. Re:Okay, I Get That The Guy Didn't Download It, Bu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You suppose that RedBox has the kind of material that I or others want to pirate.

    Personally, I used to watch a lot of anime. Anime companies rarely sue, so the risk was very low anyway, even if RedBox might one day have a series I'm interested in a few years after it gets commercially released. (And before you say, "Crunchyroll," they don't have everything and don't always have a translation I like on the things they do.)

    The person in the article was accused of downloading porn. Porn isn't that available at RedBox either, and not everyone wants their name (via credit card) associated with their porn habits or browse some creepy ass store.

    Even with mainstream movies, there's always the itch to watch something that isn't hot or recent.

  55. Call it MPAA/Disney - a call to arms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    MPAA doesn't do anything Disney doesn't want it to do.
    Same for "doesn't see anything good having come from the internet. Period." Sony.

    Let's start giving credit where credit is due.

    Pierce the sockpuppet veil! No more "We can be as evil as we want. We just do it with a wholly own subsidiary, and people are so dumb they won't associated with our brand".

    It's not "MPAA" that's being slime, it's "MPAA/Disney". Or "MPAA (including Viacom, owner of MTV and Nickelodeon)". Disney, being the most concerned with its image, is the low hanging fruit. It's also largest.

    Similarly, anytime the MAFIAA mention starving artists, post comments on Hollywood accounting. http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100708/02510310122.shtml

    We can't make them not evil. But we can force them to work at it a little harder.
    And maybe, just maybe, avoid having another US presidential administration quite as completely owned as this one.

  56. Re:Okay, I Get That The Guy Didn't Download It, Bu by hitmark · · Score: 1

    Seeing those numbers reinforce my suspicion that ISP backends in US are set up based on numbers gathered in the dial-up era, while the usage pattern have changed.

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  57. Oh please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Who's to say he didn't get turned on by the moaning?"

    Most porn aficionados turn off the sound to porn movies; they find it distracting.

    1. Re:Oh please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I only do that if the woman is obviously faking, otherwise I prefer the sound to be on :D

    2. Re:Oh please by Greystripe · · Score: 1

      I tried that, she bit my hand.

  58. You make assumptions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    about what a blind person can or cannot do

    it's basically the same thing as racism

  59. Billy in 4-C by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They also found him with some other items, a few baseball cards, a sack of marbles,
    [cough]
    Petey

  60. He can listen . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ohhhhh, Baby!

    Yes!

    YES

  61. Re:Supporting your community by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    By this reasoning a porch light is illegal because it might be used for an illegal activity. And be sure to not help your neighbor as that could get you into deep trouble.

    Providing Internet access can improve the quality of life and save lives. You have a moral obligation to provide access to your neighbors using an access point that supports guest access.

    Our communities are more important than the off chance the RIAA will prey upon you.

  62. Group W by jamiesan · · Score: 1

    This is a case of blind justice.

  63. Audio! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People pay for phone sex, so the fact that he can only hear the videos doesn't necessarily mean he couldn't enjoy them. Seems unlikely, though.

  64. Re:Okay, I Get That The Guy Didn't Download It, Bu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It takes a $1 to rent a movie from Redbox and about an hour to rip it on a Core i7. That's as opposed to 3 hour/day/months to download it from the Net

    3 hours? What are you on, dialup?

    I wanted to watch a several year old movie that was showing the other day Starz on Demand. I've been having problems with some channels breaking up with my cable provider, and the particular channel it was being streamed to me on made the VOD pause for about 3 seconds every 20 seconds or so. It was annoying. I ended up just downloading it as a xvid video in about 5 minutes. It would take me that long to get my shoes on and walk out to the car, let alone drive down to the nearest Redbox if they even had it. If I wanted the 1080p BD rip, it would have taken about 30 minutes.

    It's not about the money. It's about the convenience.

  65. Re:Okay, I Get That The Guy Didn't Download It, Bu by crackspackle · · Score: 1

    How the fuck do you get months?

    I get months on some rare files that are seeded by one or maybe two who appear to be effectively on dial up and are dropping off/coming back, the way they limit their upload speeds. No, it doesn't happen on most files, but it does happen.

  66. oh come ON! by geekoid · · Score: 1

    First:
    "He is able to work using a pair of computer programs that read his e-mails aloud and magnify a portion of his computer screen."

    Then:
    "At least at the outset, he could remain anonymous. "

    Yeah anonymous among all the other blind people going to work for a security company that uses an e-mail and a special computer screen.

    The writer should have left his tools and the fact it's a IT firm.

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  67. "Legally Blind" by uigrad_2000 · · Score: 1

    In the U.S. If your better eye is 20/200 or worse without aid of contact lens, then you are legally blind. I've known several people who are legally blind who can certainly see well enough to watch movies.

    The argument these movies had no value because of his bad eyesight is bad is quite silly, in my opinion.

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  68. Re:Okay, I Get That The Guy Didn't Download It, Bu by hoggoth · · Score: 1

    Specious argument. People aren't being sued for downloading old out-of-print movies.

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  69. also by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 1

    You do realize women watch porn too right? So what he's blind doesn't mean his wife didn't watch it. Also he freely admits he can see something as he uses screen magnification at work to do his job. Not saying not innocent just it isn't only guys that watch porn and he isn't completely blind either so still a possibility that he did it.

  70. RIFT by Kaffien · · Score: 1

    RIFT, that is why and that is all.

  71. I quote by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 1
    "We lived in a very upscale building, there was no riffraff."

    Ah, so only poor riffraff would be interested in seeing naked women. Oh how naive.

  72. Re:Okay, I Get That The Guy Didn't Download It, Bu by gl4ss · · Score: 1

    does redbox/netflix carry porno and the latest tv-series without region discrimination and do you get to keep the file for later date? I thought not.

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  73. Lawyer: "well, yeah, but he could still listen to by spads · · Score: 1

    the groaning!"

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  74. Re:Okay, I Get That The Guy Didn't Download It, Bu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Force encryption and only download from private trackers. At that point you've got about the same chance to get busted as someone who doesn't pirate at all (as shown in the OP) and get the side benefit of getting a bunch of free shit.

  75. high def TVs require piracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For those that do use bittorrent for movies, why do you still do it ? The question isn't about the propriety but rather the risk. It takes a $1 to rent a movie from Redbox and about an hour to rip it on a Core i7.

    That's fine for DVDs, but if your woman spent $1500 on a TV she wants to see 720p and 1080p stuff. That's what happened to me.

    I don't know if Blu-Rays are also as easily rentable as what you described (I simply haven't looked) but the software it takes to read them is rare. AFAIK there's only one: it's proprietary, runs on hardly any platforms, and needs frequent updates to deal with BD+ changes. That makes legit usage of Blu-Rays so inconvenient that it just ain't happening.

    DRM killed the high def movie market. It simply won't exist until they do something about this problem.

    Then there's a funny chain reaction thing. I's true that you can violate DMCA and watch DVDs in your home without anyone ever knowing, and without you bearing any serious inconvenience. But Blu-Rays (and 'premium' cable TV boxes with their lack of high-def outputs) get you into the pirate infrastructure habit. If you have to use pirate infrastructure (or else abstain watching high-def movies), then you get into the habit of using that infrastructure. At some point you stop thinking before you click, "Wait, is this movie an exception -- something that I could actually get on readable optical disk? Is this movie actually for sale or rental, unlike all recent movies?"

    MPAA trained us to pirate. So perversely, DRM (on Blu-Rays and cable TV transmission) has nearly killed the low-def market too!

    As for the risk, it's negligible. That isn't to say people aren't at risk of getting settlement "offers", but the relationship between getting letters from lawyers and piracy is loose. Even if you don't pirate, you're just about as likely to get one of those letters as I am.

    If MAFIAA wants to stop piracy, they need to kill DRM as soon as possible and widely advertise that they've done so, and formally release the keys on all previously-sold DRMed media (and grant authorization to use them). You can't have a market for stuff people aren't allowed to use. I am not going to buy or rent a movie that I'm not allowed to play or that I have to jump through hoops (i.e. install Windows and AnyDVD) to play. I just have to get something for my money, or else I won't part with that money. It's just common sense.

  76. Re:Okay, I Get That The Guy Didn't Download It, Bu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bet a lot of people don't even know about these anti-piracy lawsuits either (it seems like common knowledge to a slashdot user), and probably assume they aren't going to be sued for millions of dollars because that would be insane

    So you're suggesting that they would have to have gained awareness of what a bit torrent client even is, reasearched and chose one, performed the required internet research to get it properly set up (port forwarding and all) and been aware of, and searched, all the torrent sites for movies to download, without ever crossing paths of a discussion thread indicating that they may get sued, the whole time fully aware that the first thing they see on any movie they ever watched is an anti-piracy warning, and the legal implications thereof?

    Wow!! Really?!? You actually believe that is possible?

    Oh, btw, I got this bridge for sale, if you're interested. Dirt cheap!!

  77. Maybe he's got a girlfriend? by MindPrison · · Score: 1

    You know...wink wink, nudge nudge...

    "Wanna see how good a blind man is with a computer, I can torrent too baby, yeah - watcha wanna watch, eh?"

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  78. If he gets fired, it won't be for downloading by chemosh6969 · · Score: 1
    "had just accepted a job in the network-security division of a Seattle software company."

    "I didn't have time to set up the wireless network in my old apartment," he says. "I was working 18-hour days so I just told my wife to go to Best Buy and pick up a router. She installed it, hit next, next, finish, and boom, that was it. We lived in a very upscale building, there was no riffraff. We just assumed we didn't have anything to worry about."

    Yes, this is the man that I want working network security. Nope, there's no possible way that this shows any incompetence on his part.

  79. silver lining in every cloud by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

    you saying there's some really good stuff amidst all the dreck 4chan is known for?
    I wouldn't be surprised; I think the "there's a silver lining in every cloud" metaphor is actually quite accurate.

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  80. Re:Okay, I Get That The Guy Didn't Download It, Bu by spidr_mnky · · Score: 1

    Perhaps it is about propriety. My understanding is that you won't get in trouble for downloading (personal gain), but for uploading (giving to the community). If someone really thinks that sharing content with others is morally or ethically a good thing to do, then it stands to reason that giving up the practice because of intimidation just wouldn't be, well, proper.

    Not that every torrenter is a saint. The motivation might just be "fuck the man", which amounts to the same thing in a perverse way. Of course, there's always ignorance. The fact that an activity is a bad idea doesn't seem to prevent large numbers of people from engaging in it. (Smoking, any number of bad driving habits, unprotected sex, being belligerent to police, posting compromising photos online, developing in Flash ...)