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Microsoft Reveals More Windows 8 Details

Barence writes "Microsoft has released the first full details of Windows 8, with an all-or-nothing approach to touchscreen technology. All versions of Windows 8 — whether used on a touchscreen device or not — will use the operating system's new Metro interface, which was first developed for Windows Phone 7 devices. The advent of Windows 8 sees Microsoft introduce a new style of application, dubbed Metro Style apps, and its own app store. The company also claims to have boosted Windows 8 performance with fast boot/shutdown times, a new Task Manager and the option to refresh a PC with a clean install of the OS with apps and settings left intact."

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  1. I felt a great disturbance in the Force... by nman64 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...as if millions of PC users suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

    1. Re:I felt a great disturbance in the Force... by Dog-Cow · · Score: 3, Insightful

      MS did not decide that the desktop is no longer relevant. Apple did. MS, is as usual, following Apple's lead. (Witness Mission Control in Lion.)

    2. Re:I felt a great disturbance in the Force... by 0123456 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Metro is an alternative to the desktop interface, it doesn't replace it.

      When the OS boots up into a crappy phone interface which only gives you the option to switch to the desktop interface, and when the desktop start menu apparently switches you back to the crappy phone interface, that's a pretty damn good sign that Microsoft are abandoning the desktop.

    3. Re:I felt a great disturbance in the Force... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If Ubuntu can finish its LSD trip in time for the Windows 8 release and go back to being a solid desktop distro, this could be the best thing for desktop Linux since Vista.

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    4. Re:I felt a great disturbance in the Force... by Truekaiser · · Score: 3, Informative
    5. Re:I felt a great disturbance in the Force... by JRowe47 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      When they're demoing the mobile interface, but then reveal that you can switch to a real desktop mode, they've gone a step farther than any other mobile OS has so far. I can't tell you how sick I am of Android not having easy task management or windowing. Assuming they maintain their API (which they will) and release an appropriate toolchain (which they will, with free tools too) then recompiling windows programs to target mobile devices will now be possible. Whereas in iOS or Android, almost everything has to be built from scratch, or from Java, or shoehorned in using kludgy hacks or proprietary toolchains. With more than 80% of all computer users everywhere familiar with Windows, having the interface available on devices will give M$ a huge advantage. They're not abandoning the desktop. It's reaffirming the desktop's place as a fundamentally sound method of interfacing with a flat screen. GUI comes down to ease of use, and the desktop paradigm minimizes the number of steps required to switch between tasks and views, or utilizing multiple app views at the same time. Windows Phone 7 was a holdover while they were fixing the codebase for win8 to deploy on all targets. Too bad Android had to be a hackish copy of iOS, instead of being Linux on a phone, with dual phone/desktop interface. They'd have beat M$ to the finish line, but now we're seeing the beginning of a new era of Windows dominance.

  2. I for one look forward to windows 9 by Skarecrow77 · · Score: 4, Funny

    which should be the next good version, and if MS keeps to their historic release schedule, we should see sometime in 2014 to 2015. Not that long to wait really, since I'm sure Windows 7, which I find to be excellent, will tide me over while I wait.

    1. Re:I for one look forward to windows 9 by Noughmad · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's why you build your own and keep your OS disks.

      Fortunately, the guys I get my OS from keep regular backups on a public server, so I can re-download them anytime.

      If your OS vendor doesn't do that, they are most likely using an external service for the same purpose. I can't remember the service's exact name, but their site has a ship with black sails on the front page.

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  3. Nope! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There's not a fucking chance I'm using that shitty windows phone interface.

    1. Re:Nope! by Aggrajag · · Score: 3, Insightful

      First thing I've always done with Windows is to enable current incarnation of the classic theme.

    2. Re:Nope! by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But XP and Windows 7 UI still feel like a step back in some ways. I want SMALLER UI elements and they keep getting larger. The OS keeps trying to get into the foreground instead of being unnoticed in the background.

  4. Dear Microsoft by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My Desktop PC is NOT a smartphone with a 22 inch screen

    Please dont treat it like one

  5. Translation by poofmeisterp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Quote from link: "Every screen needs to be touch. A monitor without touch feels dead."

    Response: Like everything developed by every company that wants to have mass market sales, it's humorous to NOT hear "It's what we've noticed as something very popular with other types of [technology] that eats up peoples' time and develops even further interest in buying. Mystery and slow revelation with additional hidden secrets is the key to fast up-front sales. We'll jump on the bandwagon, but it's something completely different from the norm! Buy it and you'll find out how!"

    Honesty is too painful to just throw out there, I guess. :)

    Not troll material or flamebait at all - It's just something I see constantly and I find it humorous. I may love Windows 8, I may hate it. Don't know until I use it.

  6. Reboot faster! by Vrallis · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just think about it... Microsoft has probably made the biggest improvement to their software in two decades... You can now reboot far faster than ever before! Just think about the time saved per week for your average Windows user!

  7. Re:FUD in the article by rubycodez · · Score: 4, Insightful

    FUD back at you, when most apps require the Metro, that won't be a useful solution.

  8. Windows 8 Metro by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Funny

    Can we refer to Windows 8 users as Metrosexuals?

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    1. Re:Windows 8 Metro by OzPeter · · Score: 4, Funny

      Can we refer to Windows 8 users as Metrosexuals?

      Well with all that prodding and touching and caressing of the screens they certainly are some kind of "sexuals"

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  9. Re:I don't believe it... well, OK, I do. by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hmm. I wonder where I've heard these ideas before.

    You heard of the app store first probably with some Linux distribution in the 1990s. You heard of full screen mode before you ever heard of any alternative, with nearly every post-dumbterm but pre-windowed platform (e.g. MS-DOS, C64, etc) since fullscreen was all they had.

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  10. And more important by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why the fuck would we want that on a desktop? Part of what makes a desktop system so useful is having multiple things open that you can switch between, position around, and so on. Right now I have my browser up on top of my primary window, but my e-mail client hiding behind it. I can see when new mail comes in. On my secondary monitor is the interface for our digital security system so I can watch over the cameras. There are a few other things loaded and running, but the windows are occluded at the moment. I don't want to be "immersed" in any of this shit. The ability to have multiple things going is why I like my desktop, it's why I have 4 cores, 8GB of memory and north of 4 million pixels of total display.

    I do not get this obsession with trying to make computers work like phones. No, bad idea. When I heard of what they were doing with Lion I said "What a horrible idea." Now MS is doing the same? What the fuck? How about you give me a phone interface on a phone and a computer interface on a computer?

  11. Re:I don't believe it... well, OK, I do. by JustinOpinion · · Score: 5, Insightful
    They are indeed mimicking Apple. And making the same mistakes, in my opinion.

    "Every single pixel of your beautiful screen is for your app," said Harris. "You're just immersed in the content."

    As I said when OS X Lion was released, I think this push towards full-screen apps is a move backwards. Yes, having the app fill the screen makes a lot of sense for smartphones and tablets, where screen/interface space is limited and you're typically focusing on a single task at a time. But on a desktop?

    The whole point of a multi-purpose desktop computer is to be able to do a myriad of things, and more importantly to combine all the various resources/applications together in powerful ways. I want to be able to have a web-page reference document open while I code something, or copy-and-paste something from a spreadsheet into a text document. I want to be able to cross-compare multiple graphs/images/whatever at the same time. To do all this, I need to be able to tile, stack, and move windows on my screen. Endless alt-tabbing just doesn't cut it.

    With desktop monitors getting bigger and bigger, fullscreen apps just don't make sense. Even maximized apps don't make sense: your mouse has to travel ridiculously far to get from content to controls if you make your app fullscreen on a 30-inch monitor. (There are of course times when you want a single app fullscreen; e.g. photo editing on a large monitor gives you a much better view of the content.) One of the main advantages of modern large monitors is the ability to have multiple apps open at once, without them blocking each other or being ridiculously constrained. Why are we throwing away these advantages?

    I'm fully aware of the cognitive science research on multi-tasking (specifically, that people are bad at it and that focusing on a single task for a longer period of time has big advantages). What I'm questioning is whether any non-trivial task can really be accomplished using a single application. We should be optimizing our user interfaces to maximize the efficiency and focus on tasks and workflows: not boxing ourselves into stripped-down full-screen apps.

  12. Re:I don't believe it... well, OK, I do. by Waccoon · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think this push towards full-screen apps is a move backwards.

    Only for us who know better. Unfortunately, we are not the target market, anymore. All I see all day at work is people swishing their middle fingers around on their smartphones, and they seem to love all this stuff.

    From Firefox to Unity to Aero to Chrome to Ribbon to iAnything, everything released within the last 6 years has driven me nuts. I'm really trying to give this stuff a chance, but I just hate everything I come across. It was the obscure error messages and badly designed menus that confused people, not the taskbars, status bars, and maximize gadgets.

    What really frightens me is that the Linux community is heading in this direction, too. WTF?