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Microsoft Ousts IE Mobile Manager For Revealing Nokia Phone Details
suraj.sun writes with an article in CNet concerning the axing of a Microsoft employee for revealing a few too many details about the upcoming Nokia Windows Phone. From the article: "...Joe Marini, who worked as a Seattle-based principal program manager on the Windows Phone team, tweeted: 'I just got a chance to try out one of the slickest looking #Nokia phones I have ever seen. Soon, you will too!' The tweet contained a Windows Phone 7 hashtag, #WP7. Marini sent subsequent tweets about the device, including one that rated it an '8' and another that said 'the camera was good, but I didn't have optimal lighting.' ... Marini stepped down after being informed that he would be let go for violating Microsoft's social-media and blogging policy (PDF). "
it doesn't really matter what the content was, it's probably more that he was blogging about confidential unreleased products. If he signed something that said he would not do this, and went on to do just that, he violated the agreement even though his comments were positive.
It's not even particularly new for companies to be super paranoid about "leaks", and to interpret what constitutes a leak very broadly. Apple is probably more paranoid, for example, and Apple employees tend to just avoid Tweeting anything Apple-related for that reason.
I do agree that this was stupid, unless there's something more to the story; it doesn't appear that he actually leaked anything that could plausibly be considered secret, and certainly not any interesting secrets.
I also like the now-self-referential part of the policy that recommends employees think, before they take an action online:
10 PRINT CHR$(205.5+RND(1)); : GOTO 10
No, the tweets mentioned in the article are still there but that is all.
I'll be buying the one with Meego installed.
"I've got more toys than Teruhisa Kitahara."
They can't hear you as their ears are blocked by piles of Microsoft cash.
"He's lost in a 'floyd hole"
Not just any "Android" but CyanogenMod. It just rocks.
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Don’t post anything marked “Confidential,” “Proprietary,” or “Privileged” or material from any internal corporate emails, web pages or documents (including these FAQs).
So... who posted the FAQs?
Unfortunately CyanogenMod is all but dead since Samsung bought out the primary developer. Yeah I know all about the "state of cyanogen" blog post but the fact is, the ROM has had very little progress in months and these types of situations rarely get better.
It's dead unless someone forks it and takes over.
From the Blogging FAQ:
Microsoft considers Slashdot to be on the same level as the New York Times! The Ironic thing is the original tweet did not make slashdot. The reaction from Microsoft did.
Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
I read through most of the policy and given the nature of his tweets, it seems a reach to fire the guy.
Can I disclose confidential information when blogging? ... ...
Most importantly, to preserve Microsoft’s rights to protect its innovations through
patents, do not disclose or describe any new features, functionalities, or
innovations that have not been publicly disclosed or released without first
checking with your business unit management or your LCA patent contact
This section mentions not revealing new features, but from what was broadcast, he did not reveal anything specific nor anything that was not already basically understood. I could see getting a reprimand, held back from promotion type of punishment, but to just say "bugger off" for making positive comments about a MS product? ULM is not weird, their stupid. This could have been turned into a marketing scoop, getting the lemmings talking about it and perhaps now wanting to try it out. Since we don't know much about the man as an employee, perhaps he was horrible as a manager and they just needed a reason to boot his butt out. My sense, they just took what could have been both a teaching moment for employees and a marketing bonazza into more negative PR for an already tarnished image.
Bad form Microsoft, bad form.
Life is a great ride, the vehicle doesn't matter
Obviously, because of his loose tongue, WP7 will surely fail.
Yes, they are preparing a scapegoat.
I'll be buying the one with Meego installed.
Meego is dead, Webos is dead, and I don't feel very well.
All advertising is good advertising. The tweets didn't make Slashdot, but this did. Legitimately firing someone is a completely cost-free way to get the Nokia phone into the public consciousness.
They should make a cool phone and call it Meego Phoenix ;D
I read them too and I took them as a positive and complimentary of the device. Microsoft reaction to me is what leads me to look at the phone as probably not being so great. When a business acts that parinoid it doesn't promote confidence in the next product, Apple, RIM, and the bazillions of Android device makers are not worried about Uncle Balmer and his merry men.
Just Microsoft's latest attempt to imitate Apple. In this case we're talking about marketing: build excitement about a new product no one has seen by creating controversy with a "leak" and a possible firing. Only Apple did it with more style, as you'd expect, leaving a disguised iPhone 4 prototype in a bar. I guess it's cheaper, cleaner, and more AstroTurf-like (in the 90s MS paid a bunch of economics professors to form a group and write letters saying the antitrust trial was bad for the economy?) to have one of your employees make some vague statements about how awesome an unreleased product (for which there is very little demand) is, then fire him. I wonder how large his severence package was, or if he was already planning on leaving.
Now they have more publicity for their upcoming phone. Well played.
It's purely speculation, but one would think that Microsoft would simply reprimand its employee in these circumstances. However, Nokia and Microsoft undoubtedly have a confidentiality agreement -- to try desperately to protect Nokia's existing handset sales -- and perhaps Nokia insisted on Marini's scalp. Few if any people like working in a "police state" environment, though. I wonder how this firing will affect the Windows Phone development team's morale.
Sold out, I believe.
Give it a touchscreen and a physical keyboard like my last 3 phones had, and I'll buy it!
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
I don't know. I played with the WP "Mango" beta the other evening. Metro may not be as aesthetically pleasing as iOS but it was definitely an improvement in terms of integration of contacts, social media, and apps, and yet I could still see how to manage them separately.
In terms of appearance and functionality it was better than any Android phone I've played with.
I equated their appearance this way. WP8 is to Facebook as Android is to MySpace.
WP7 does not appear to be even distantly related to the old Windows Mobile 6.5 CE crap. They did a decent job with this one. (first impressions only so far, of course.)
John
If he was under an NDA, he's lucky he didn't get fined, possible jail time.
Oh, I still have my iPhone tucked in my pocket. There wasn't enough temptation to replace it. But it was surprisingly close.
John
Worst possible software? I hate to swoop in and defend Microsoft of all things, but Windows Phone 7 isn't that bad. It's not perfect, but I think it has a lot of potential. I'm personally excited to see what it can do with some decent hardware (Nokia).
ok, I work there, so this is firsthand information. In the last 4 months it has been beat into us NOT to tweet/talk/post/facebook anything about anything not yet released. It all started around the MGX leaks of the past, feeding into the WP7 announcements, and the recent Win8 announcements. We are not to even tweet anything that has been recently released. (Win8). An entirely new program has been developed around the new social medis policies, and people are going to the HR training for it. There is no way you can miss all of the warnings and decrees from on high about this. Sorry, a very important rule was broken. He is being made the example. Sucks, but don't break important rules.
Well WP7 will not necessarily be like Windows Mobile so let's just save the bashing until it comes out.
This is a non-story.
Microsoft employee violated company policy about blogging by posting details about the phone. Employee was going to be fired for violating the policy. It doesn't matter if the violation was benign or not. The only reasons this is on slashdot is because
A. The story is about Microsoft.
B. It's about company policies perhaps being "unfair".
I think it's mostly A and very little B.
"Lack of speed can be overcome. In the worst case by patience." --Znork
As a frequent lurker in #maemo on freenode.net, most users of nokia's N900 bought it because it had a linux kernel with gnu/etc tools included, not because of the Nokia logo.
This is possibly the most boring story slashdot has ever posted.
Most likely, there are unseen contracts between Nokia and Microsoft that forbid any mention of new products before release. Such things have happened before when the iPhone was first released - an AT&T manager was let go for saying that it was "great."
I said no... but I missed and it came out yes.
Both myself and my wife agree that WP7 is way better than Android in usability and lack of bloat.{ . . . } Untill then STFU and stop spreading the FUD.
FUD NIH
If he was under an NDA, he's lucky he didn't get fined, possible jail time.
NDA is a contract, in this case part of the employment contract. You can't get jail time or a fine for breach of employment contract. You can, and this guy did, lose your job for breach of employment contract.
Patience, my friend. That's Nokias Plan C, to begin in earnest in 12 months time when Ballmers Plan A (build better phones) and Plan B (litigate the competitors out of business) have failed. WP7 will be as relevant then as it is now ( 1%) and the board realise trojan Elop and the whole m$ fiasco was just the most embarrassing low point of their history which they need to move on from as quickly as possible.
I wasn't speaking of the tone of his comments but that he didn't disclose any specific feature at all. What he said could be true to any other smartphone.
Its been out long enough to become the most popular smartphone OS on the planet, that's how long.
Yup, Android is a disaster. So much so that I traded my Android phone for (stay away from the following shock) Symbian^3 on the E7-00.
What a bliss...
Windows 7 is technically way better than that Java Virtual Machine OS based on an out-of-date Linux kernel without upstream driver development, locked by locked bootloaders, plagued by horrible software fragmentation and fragmented interfaces that do not co-operate with each others widgets. Oh, they call it Android...
Ditch this shit...
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As sibling said - an NDA is a civil affair, not a criminal one. The only types of NDA that could possibly land you in jail or in fines over violation would be for a government security clearance.
The worst that can happen in this case? The guy could get sued by the company, and they would have a hard time getting much of anything out of him for the effort spent. That's it.
Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
Huh? WP7 phones have been available for months.
It's a sure fire way for Nokia to claim financial damages from MS due to one of their employees breaching a confidentiality agreement. There are likely to be some very nasty (for MS) clauses within the contract with Nokia, and I imagine that figured pretty heavily in the decision to fire the guy (that and attempting to demonstrate to Nokia that they are serious about not allowing a breach to happen in future)
No Operating Knowledge of Ideas like Android
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He blogged/tweeted/whatever about an unreleased product and its features..... and that is probably what the blogging policy was about. If you are an employee you don't talk about unannounced products or features without explicit approval. It's one of the most important policies companies have, especially in this industry.
Is there any good alternative to CyanogenMod ? I have a Samsung Galaxy Europa i5500 and I've been thinking about modding it just out of the desire to tinker with it. The phone was cheap enough (even without a contract) that if I brick it I can just buy another.
English is not my first language. Corrections and suggestions are welcome.
Microsoft has been burned too many times in the past when there are "unauthorized" disclosures about company directions, plans, features, etc.
Suppose we talk about a feature or capability that ends up not shipping? That erodes enthusiasm for the product, it ruins customer relationships, it hurts the bottom line of partners and competitors alike.
There are other aspects of this, like marketing/advertising people who, say what you will about them, try to figure out how to manage information disclosures in such a way so as to generate maximum buzz, excitement, etc. They think about the right schedule, what to disclose when, where it should hit first, etc.
We have no steve jobs and attendant RDF; accordingly we have to pay people to think of how to make things like compilers and word processors sound exciting. That's an art in and of itself. And well intentioned employees who are excited about what they are working on or what the company is doing can throw a tremendous wrench in all of that.
The employees generally have lots of enthusiasm about what they're working on, and so it is incredibly frustrating for us to read stuff here (and elsewhere) that we can share some expertise on and address questions, concerns, falsehoods -- whatever. But we just have to wait until the bits are out there, and then the queued up blog posts and other stuff start coming in rapid succession.
My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily represent those of my employer.
I couldn't find any specific thing in his tweets that would justify firing the man.
He mentioned that there will be WP7 on a Nokia device. He also stated that he wasn't happy because the lighting wasn't right in a picture due to his own failure. *gasp*
...Goes to show that you can enforce rules where no harm was done in order to "save face." At the _same time_ you can do things you can't be openly "caught" with, such as hiring non-qualified employees because you "know them" or were in the same "[insert group here]" as them in the past.
/friendly_sarcasm
Not trying to be an ass, for the record. Sharing information. Hopefully I'm not doing a horrid thing like Mr. Ex-Microsoft. ;-)
Harmless speech.... Hmm.. Reminds me of some post in the past about teachers and students talking on facebook in a harmless way...
Doesn't matter if it's harmless or not, unfortunately. If it 100% legally, documentationally (my new word of the day) correct to higher-ups, it's a danger element in the game of business. I wish people would loosen up more, but loose speech = blame and suits (all definitions of the word).
is it something spectacular or the opposite. From a company which released beta's like handing our Halloween candy they sure seem to have move to the paranoid side.
LoB
"Anyone who stands out in the middle of a road looks like roadkill to me." --Linus
Totally. It reminds me of another recent Slashdot Article:
Justification For Canadian Copyright Reform Revealed
The only reason that's on slashdot is because
A. The story is about copyright
B. Canada
Most people would say it's primarily because of A. But I blame Canada.
replace "if it 100%" with "if it isn't 100%".
Does it go up in flames when the OS reaches the end of life?
Yes, but it might be reborn as a fox or possibly a weasel...
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
Actually, they could press charges for breach of contract. It's rare, but possible.
Siblings are mostly correct. You normally can't get jail time for violating an NDA. However, you can if it constitutes fraud; if you sign the NDA knowing or expecting to violate it and it causes actual loss to the company, in order to receive some compensation or benefit.
However, this was clearly not premeditated or fraudulent. Merely careless..
I would say that story at least has more validity to be on Slashdot than this one. It does involve the distribution of the document about how the Canadian government was responding to copyright among other things. It basically presented a FAQ that wasn't normally available.
This story is just....
I blogged!
I got fired because I blogged in violation of company confidentiality policy!
Is there any other substance to it? Not really. Maybe that they guy gave some favorable opinions about WP7.
As far as stories go, this is the same vein as an "Ask Slashdot" story. The content is pretty much solely generated through the comments on the "story".
"Lack of speed can be overcome. In the worst case by patience." --Znork
I thank you for your compliment. At least I'm taking it as a compliment.
You're basically telling me I'm probably better than the current crop of Slashdot editors. Given the general nature of the comments on Slashdot regarding the editors that doesn't seem to be too hard of a bar to surpass.
"Lack of speed can be overcome. In the worst case by patience." --Znork
All advertising is good advertising.
On the contrary, there is the Osborne Effect
This guy was an insider and revealed information that was not public knowledge. You don't have to trade on insider information to be charged under insider trading laws and the information that you leaks does not have to belong to your employer. If you leak information about a client, supplier or business partner you can be charged with insider trading. The SEC could also potentially fine MSFT for the actions of this employee.
Rumours and leaks might be "popular" but improperly disclosing non-public information can get you fired or jail time and it can damage the reputation of your company with regulators.
I'm shocked that nobody else hear caught onto this. Anyone working for a publicly traded company should know this.
Jesus was a compassionate social conservative who called individuals to sin no more.
Well, by talking about the phone he opened Microsoft up to potential liability from Nokia for breaking the NDA. Companies tend to fire people pretty quickly for doing things that could get them sued, even if the people on the inside (including those doing the firing) know that it's silly. Silly or not, he pretty much had to be let go. Also, he gave the phone an 8/10. Implying that there's better phones on the market than the one you're working directly with a business partner on is just a bad idea.
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Other companys pay people to do this type of 'revealing'.
Disclaimer: This is all IMHO, of course.
It looks bad to those with a hint of intelligence to have any evidence that it was a paid move.
It looks a lot more true w/ a dash of subconscious advertisement when you play it as a violation of company secrecy or other policy. Tech geeks are more likely to take this seriously than a typical paid advertisement or revelation. We read between the lines, but sometimes we forget to read between the lines that are between the lines.
All just speculation, but it works. I'm just throwin' it out there.
CyanogenMod is OPEN SOURCE, so ... it cannot die. Developers can come and go. And, if Nokia (or any other MFG) wanted they could "sponsor" the project, and professional development (like others do with Linux). If I was a Phone manufacturer, that is what I would be doing. The thing that is most sick about CyanogenMod is that a bunch of part time hobbyists are able to make better system than those whose core business IS making the stuff work.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
How good are you at hating companies you hate, loving the ones you love, and seeing vast canyons of difference between the two where only blurred lines exist?
Bonus points if you think Android is a panacea of "free" and "open" :)
GP is right, Android is like cheap toilet paper. If you really care about saving money and trees then it's great, but for most of us the whole sandpaper effect just doesn't cut it.
I have yet to meet anyone who doesn't read Slashdot that did regret getting an Android phone. It seems like the stats bear that out.
So they both suck?
There are many developers on the CyanogenMod team that are still dedicated to further development. There's been little progress because they're all waiting for a new version of android, and more recently the kernel.org hack put a halt to current efforts. I think reports of CM's death have been greatly exaggerated.
The SEC could also potentially fine MSFT for the actions of this employee.
i'm not sure the SEC would care since the information was made public. the SEC cares if information exits the company but does not enter the public domain.
Unfortunately CyanogenMod is all but dead
Bullshit. That's a list of the nightly's for the Nexus S. Notice the dates. The last stable release was in May which was just 4 months ago. How often do you think they should be releasing? Every week? Get serious. People, not even modders, want to flash their phone that often. Every 4-6 months when a worthwhile number of upgrades get added to a ROM, release a stable update and keep the nightly's going for the truly insane. Anything else is ludicrous.
The soylentnews experiment has been a dismal failure.
Well, I have an HD7 that a friend gave me and I have a few impressions I would like to add. First off, why doesn't text reflow when I zoom in on the browser? I can't read text that is .5 mm tall and if a website forces the text to stay wide, I have to pan the screen back and forth if I want to zoom in. That's just ridiculous and is a solved problem on iOS and Android since antiquity. Also, why can't I type in a url in landscape mode? I hate having to constantly switch orientation just to do this as one of the unfortunate side effects is sometimes websites get stuck in jumbo text mode where you can't zoom out at all. Also, why is the home screen stuck in portrait? My next question is why do apps take so long to start vs my Droid and my iPad? Another question might be, why are third party apps so choppy? Have you tried the Engadget app? It's practically a slide show at times. Another impression... my HD7 came with an extended battery. It barely lasts a day and a half of light use. Windows phone has a long way to go before it is even close to iOS or Android are in terms of overall utility and it shows in the fact that while Androids fly off the shelves, windows phones continue to collect dust.
The soylentnews experiment has been a dismal failure.
No, it's not. What's ridiculous is breaking company policy and revealing information about unreleased products.
The fact that the product is unreleased and could, for example, be cancelled, as well as the potential impact of an Osborne effect, are reasons that your statement is wrong.
Your troll posts are kind of faltering lately, Mensa Babe.
GP is right, Android is like cheap toilet paper. If you really care about saving money and trees then it's great, but for most of us the whole sandpaper effect just doesn't cut it.
Wow, are you so full of yourself that you think your opinion stands for "most of us"? How about letting other people actually think what they want to think for a change?
I have yet to meet anyone who doesn't read Slashdot that did regret getting an Android phone.
That sentence made no sense.
It seems like the stats bear that out.
The word Android appears nowhere in the article you sited and in no other way does the article support your claims. Please troll harder.
The soylentnews experiment has been a dismal failure.
Nokia made a good decision after a series of really bad ones.
Nothing in your post supports this.
Windows allows them to retain revenue from services
Android would allow them to retain revenue from services
and also a level of differentiation that Android would not give them.
Tell that to Amazon and FusionGarage who both are releasing tablets based on Android that are nothing like traditional Android. It is patently absurd to pretend that Nokia will be able to do with closed Windows phone what they could have done with open source Android. MS won't allow them to change it too much as that would interfere with their relationships with other Windows phone OEM's like Samsung and HTC.
It's still quite possible that after a few months/years of bad sales with windows they go the Android route but then they would only be making money on the hardware and the margins are really thin there.
Samsung and HTC have made hundreds of millions with Android. How much has anybody made with windows phone?
Nokia wants a slice of the add and app/media sales revenue.
No, they wanted that billion dollars that MS handed them. There is no other way that they can realistically hope to make more money with wp than Android.
There are currently only Apple and Android who stands to profit massively from smartphones.
If by Android, you mean Samsung, HTC, Motorola, LG, Huawei and the slew of other vendors, then yes.
The soylentnews experiment has been a dismal failure.
I would agree on the Osborne effect, but since Nokia practically can't give away any of their current lineup I'm not sure they could parasitise their market ;)
sorry, s/did regret/didn't regret/, shoot me.
i'm expressing my opinion on a comment, not necessarily the article. i don't need you premission.
In terms of appearance and functionality it was better than any Android phone I've played with.
Even accounting for all the apps that Android has (and WP7 doesn't, yet)?
WP7 reportedly has 30,000+ apps, which ones do you miss?
My exception safety is -fno-exceptions.
You're right. It's hard to see the position of Microsoft and Nokia on this if you're an employee who has watched people get screwed over in the past (that would be me). I've seen several people get let go for something that no one ever saw them do or had any data to show that they did it. Anyhow, hindsight - I was jumping the gun.
Skype, for starters. A GTalk client with push notifications that works in background without me having to share my credentials with some third party would be a good thing, as well. Also, a proper GMail client (with label support).
As far as work-related needs go, it's ironic that Android has an Office Communicator / Lync client, while WP7 still doesn't.
This guy was an insider and revealed information that was not public knowledge. You don't have to trade on insider information to be charged under insider trading laws and the information that you leaks does not have to belong to your employer. If you leak information about a client, supplier or business partner you can be charged with insider trading. The SEC could also potentially fine MSFT for the actions of this employee.
Rumours and leaks might be "popular" but improperly disclosing non-public information can get you fired or jail time and it can damage the reputation of your company with regulators.
I'm shocked that nobody else hear caught onto this. Anyone working for a publicly traded company should know this.
I am a securities lawyer, and this is terribly misguided information.
Is it really? Please explain. What constitutes publishing it? Is letting some of your friends know at a party about a hot tip considered publishing in the same way as a twitter post? Does this guy not deserve to get fired for leaking information about a business partner's device without permission of either their employer or Nokia?
I'd really like for you to enlighten us all. Please do so.
Jesus was a compassionate social conservative who called individuals to sin no more.
The SEC could also potentially fine MSFT for the actions of this employee.
i'm not sure the SEC would care since the information was made public. the SEC cares if information exits the company but does not enter the public domain.
The information was not made public, it was leaked by an unauthorized person. Making something public would involve an official press release. Acting on inside information would require the insider waiting for not only for the press release to go out but allowing enough time for the public to absorb the information to avoid insider trading.
Say that you work for a company and you know about a new product or initiative. As an insider, you would not be allowed to trade on that information until a press release was put out by your company and the public had sufficient time to absorb the news. That time would usually be about a day or so. Acting on the info right after the release of the press announcement could still be considered insider trading.
Jesus was a compassionate social conservative who called individuals to sin no more.
you know what the real shame is?? that people started buying crap hw made by apple/samsung/lg just because of 'oohh...shiny!'. nokia's hw has always been atleast 6 months ahead of the curve (n900, n95, 6600, n91, many more). their phones had 3.5g when 3g networks were _just_ being set up.
enter apple, with their overpriced devices and a huge load of shiny. nowadays, cheap android phones by lg/samsung have such crappy screens that my 5 year old nokia looks like it has amazing clarity.
Wealth is the gift that keeps on giving.
i'm sure the ultra-advanced hw (made by nokia) helped.
Wealth is the gift that keeps on giving.
Actually, the reason the nightly development changelog and builds had stopped was because of the kernel.org breach. Development has resumed at an even faster pace and nightlies, as well as changelogs are available on a daily basis again. CyanogenMod is not "all but dead" as claimed...
Considering that Microsoft owns Skype, in a few years down the road it's reasonable to expect that only GTalk and special features of GMail may still be missing.
Push notifications with end-to-end authentication is a goodie that Nokia could add; it is developing at least service-side support for unified push notifications.
My exception safety is -fno-exceptions.
Yeah; the key phrase is "few years down the road" (more likely months, but anyway).
Problem is, right now WP7 is as much walled garden as iOS is, but without a rich, high-quality (look how many 2- and 3-star rated apps are in "featured" section of WP7 Marketplace!) app library that makes it worthwhile to tolerate. From developer's perspective, sure, the tools are nice, but no native code and no C/C++ in general is a major downer (= no code reuse from other platforms, have to rewrite from scratch).
Symbian 60 was the worst possible software, that's why Nokia are in this mess. Whether WP7 will eventually be any better who knows, but Nokia have had years to come up with a smart phone that didn't suck. They failed. Their management was disfunctional, they couldn't decide what their future direction was so they ended up a whole bunch of different products all of which sucked, instead of one which was good.
I don't know if this will be a good thing for Nokia, but I'm sick to death of people putting on their rose tinted glasses and pretending that Nokia's smart phone strategy has not been an epic fail.
Nobody wants a physical keyboard, grandpa.
I don't know how people suffer with on-screen keyboards. I want to be able to type, fast.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel