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Yahoo Blocked Emails About Wall Street Protests
itwbennett writes "People trying to email information about the Wall Street protests on Monday using Yahoo mail, found themselves on the receiving end of messages from Yahoo claiming 'suspicious activity'. ThinkProgress.org has a YouTube video of users trying to send emails that mention the 'OccupyWallSt.org' web site, which seemed to be the magic phrase to get your email blocked. Via Twitter, Yahoo announced the blockage was now fixed, but 'there may be residual delays.'"
Check out the footage of the tens of thousands that showed up for the Day of Rage at Wall Street.
I will certainly take my eyeballs elsewhere. You don't just not deliver email (yay double negative). Child porn, maybe. But once you start delivering this email but not that one.... well, that's not a direction I'd like to head.
There are a brazillion other webmail hosts out there. No need to worry if your emails are being delivered with most of them.
What doesn't kill you only delays the inevitable
Mail containing the same URL hit a bunch of spamtraps and caused a lot of complaints. That's the sort of thing that gets your mail blocked.
Nothing to see here, no grand conspiracy of censorship, just spam filters doing what they do.
Wow, I don't know a better way of driving users away from an email service, then to try to filter their content. I wonder if the stockholders could sue for mismanagement over something like this? It seems to be a gross mismanagement of the company to do something like this, given that there are a lot of clever users out there that will work out what you are doing pretty quickly.
HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
So, there are people still using yahoo to send email? :O I thought they were all spammers O_O
...will not be Yahoo-mailed.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
I remember now why I wrote the leetkey extension long time ago.
Encryption people - encrypt your emails.
You can't handle the truth.
This sounds eerily similar to the British monitoring twitter for riots... block the method of communication for the protestors and the problem will fix itself!
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2011/08/cameron-considers-blocking-facebook-twitter-after-riots.html
http://technology-corner.com/british-police-will-use-twitter-to-monitor-protests.html
I'm not sure if Yahoo did it intentionally (would be quite the coincidence), but if that is the case, a Yahoo account might not be the best thing to have for anybody with views of the government.
You mean there are still people that use YooHoo? Wow!
This is also why I don't usually send anything from my yahoo mail account. If someone needs to get in contact with me, they have my phone number.
I guess that's what I get for getting all my news from Slashdot.
I work in the Wall Street Area and for the last few days there's been literally dozens of cops, barricades, and they've blocking the subway stop ( at least the "J" which I use ). Coming to think of it, I did see a demonstration go by and a few people holding signs. But there are always demonstrations in the Wall Street area. It's just a common place for the cops to give demonstration permits in Manhattan I think.
If that what that was, I hate to break it to you guys, but the movement was a huge failure. At least so far. Besides the Authorities toughening security, it was business as usual
Since when is Yahoo a government agency?
Dumbass.
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
Accounts which did not have Yahoo's spam protection enabled did not have this blocked.
"To those who are overly cautious, everything is impossible. "
Enjoy your Constitutional Rights.
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Does anyone use it for anything else?
What evidence is there that this was some big conspiracy or that our government had anything to do with it? Sounds to me like Yahoo's spam filter caught the messages. If the government were involved I'd think there'd be more than just Yahoo mail affected. I'm not saying I don't think our government would stoop so low. I just don't think that's the case here.
If Yahoo is censoring emails, then they are intercepting a communication that is intended between two or more other parties, being the Sender or intended Recipients.
This is completely different from maintaining logs, and many states have their own laws regarding it. Ohio for example it falls under ORC 2933
prosicutors and legal authorities are hereby required to take legal action against Yahoo for this action, with the same vigor they would against an individual.
Any private attorneys looking to start a class action, this is your oportunity. I am sure many will stand behind you on it.
I know what site I'm on, but please anything with the word progress in it means overblown lying hippie garbage. Lets progress to not being able to think for ourselves.
No more safe haven for you, Yahoo!
Now lets see about that kiddie porn passing through your system. Unblocked.
Have gnu, will travel.
Can you really be sure it's the government who did this?
And not some republican yahoo users hitting the spam button (or the report suspicious phishing site button) when they saw an email they didn't like. This is not to say that I trust our government (or even Yahoo for that matter), but come on, can you really be sure this can't be a spam filter thing?
I wonder if the stockholders could sue for mismanagement over something like this?
Probably not. Now to jump off the deep end they could have been considered to be acting in the best interest of their stock holders as they were blocking e-mails about a protest of wall street.
Time to offend someone
Yahoo has however colluded and collaborated with governments like the PRC to hand over information to incriminate political dissidents and support unequivocal censorship like the Great Firewall and similar principles.
So many people watched Yahoo do these things in China and said 'oh well, it won't happen here, so why should we worry?'
Ahem. The chickens are home to roost. Even if this was some kind of coincidental misfire of an adaptive spam filter, it demonstrates the capability if not the intent to do exactly the sort of things that the company has done in/with totalitarian states.
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When?
When it, as a corporation, has more rights than a REAL corpus, a flesh and blood person. Corporations have always bought of Congressmen with "campaign contributions", which used to be called bribes, but since the SCOTUS ruling a couple years ago that corporations can bribe as many as they want with what ever amounts they want and they don't have to account to anyone showing how much and too whom, the Cabal is now complete. There already exists a revolving door arrangement between corporate CEOs & managers and the heads of the FDA, FCC, SEC, etc... Instead of fulfilling their mandate to protect the citizens from corporate greed and evil, they now protect the corporations from the wrath of the taxpayers.
So, when millions of voters elect a person or campaign for legislation to enable their wishes, a few million dollars, well placed, nullifies the votes of millions of REAL citizens. That kind of evil makes corporations an extension of our government and turns our republic into a cabal.
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Trend Micro OfficeScan Event
URL Blocked
The URL that you are attempting to access is a potential security risk. Trend Micro OfficeScan has blocked this URL in keeping with network security policy.
URL: http://occupywallst.org/
Risk Level: Dangerous
Details: Verified fraud page or threat source
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Heads Up, Freedom Fighters:
Network Solutions (one of America's largest Internet Service Providers) is using Cloudmark, the same "spam filter" used for Internet censorship in China...
http://tinyurl.com/3b5ct4r ...to block emails referencing URLs (links) related to the "Occupy Wall Street" and "U.S. Day of Rage" events. Here is an example of one such email, which was sent but never delivered:
http://tinyurl.com/cloudmark-censors-occupywallst
Why is Network Solutions blocking legitimate political emails like this one? I don't know for sure, but tracing their origin, history and ownership is something I recommend for all who oppose the Kleptocracy:
http://tinyurl.com/3ep7k6g
And we all know who Big Brother answers to, so why should we expect less from an ISP founded by spooks?
http://tinyurl.com/edxn5
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The Big Picture:
http://ldrlongdistancerider.com/images/Cloudmark_nsCensorship.png
As others have said - if this URL was sent out en masse in a manner that many people would consider "spammish", then those emails would have been flagged by many as spam, and then future emails with that URL would be MUCH more likely to hit a spam filter.
Same reason, for example, emails from the Republican National Convention might be more likely to have issues going through gmail than the DNC - Not because of any political affiliations, but because the RNC are a bunch of damn spammers. I usually vote Democrat but will consider voting Republican if it's a particular case of a moderate Republican and the Democrat is a scumbag (both parties have plenty of scumbags...) - However, if in the runup to the election I get a bunch of rhetoric-laden spam emails, I'm going to make a point of NOT voting for the party who sent the spam.
So far, for whatever reason, I get rhetoric-laden spam every few days from the RNC, never from anyone with affiliations with the Democratic party, and I always immediately flag it as spam, to the point where that crap now automatically goes to my spam folder about 50% of the time.
retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
I'm also referring to the general communications blackout going on at this protest. Agreed, I guess yahoo can do whatever the fuck they want. But all the big media networks are conveniently looking the other way and ignoring protests up 10k + people. And people on the ground are getting arrested, cameras are being seized, and I've already seen several video accounts of police brutality. Yahoo may not be a government agency, but there are blatant violations of civil rights going on here, and the government doesn't seem interested in protecting peaceful protestors against those violations.
Before everyone starts crying "censorship" consider this, far more likely, scenario:
Among protesters there are always a number of morons. One of these morons thought it would be a good idea to use a few of his Yahoo mail accounts to send out thousands of emails promoting the OccopyWallSt website. This triggers Yahoo's outgoing spam filter, and OccupyWallSt.org is placed along with CheapViagraForYourPenis.net on the "100% certain spam" list. Any email trying to promote this website is blocked.
All webmail sites that offer free signup without any ID check must implement something like this, or they will be overrun by spammers.
The one responsible for the "censorship" is the moron who decided to send out the spam in the first place.
(Of course it is theoretically possible that it was somebody opposed to the protests who sent out the spam to trigger the blocking, but I find that scenario far less likely.)
Since when is Yahoo a government agency?
Dumbass.
Nice.
Yahoo! is hugely commercial, which is why I don't use it. Yahoo and the government have the same clients and the same product. You are the product, the clients (the ones who pay the bills) are big business.
Dumbass.
I doubt they would knowingly censor emails (other than if it had the earmarks of spam). Why bother I'm sure the percentage of those protesters that use Yahoo as their email is quite small. So blocking them would have little to no effect.
(If at first you don't succeed, do it different next time!)
Their spam filtering is pretty weak if it can categorize something as spam on the basis of a single URL. From what I understand, this was confirmed by different people with Yahoo! accounts.
Is it censorship or incompetence?
And why couldn't it be fix immediately?
An argument could be made that when a company grows to a position of such power that it has a level of control close to that of government, then it should be subject to the same constitutional controls as the government. Yahoo, however, is not even close to that level of power. Even at their height, they wern't.
Facebook, perhaps. They do control a mass-surveillance system and data mining operation that would be the envy of most governments.
really? we're posting this bullshit? I miss good Slashdot.
There is no other conclusion to The Cloud. You send all your information (email in this case) to a 3rd party you have no real influence over, other than being one of many customers. If they shut down your service for unethical reasons, you are left with a TOS that lets them do anything they want. Outsourcing has massive risks that are never talked about because so many "independent" experts depend on outsourcing for their livelihood that "core business" is the buzzword of the failing companies.
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the USA is a corporatocracy.
The corporations are its government.
Yahoo is a de facto government agency in this regard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
I remember hearing about this from a friend, but couldn't find any news articles, didn't see it covered by the TV media, didn't hear about it on the radio, and now it's turning out that ytou can't email about it either...
And we're complaining about China?
And BTW: The "SEC" is cracking down on Standard and Poors, as well as anyone else that had the audacity to bet against the US during the credit downgrade.
How interesting. If any of you still believe you're in the land of the free, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. You're under the heel of your corporate masters, who are running Washington.
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
well, it is now in our new corporate oligocracy.
Dumbass.
I was thinking he was a smartass. We should compromise and just call him an ass.
What was there to fix? They put up a block, got caught, and then stopped the block.
Am I to believe some filter on emails was innocently blocking any mention of the recently created "OccupyWallSt.org"?
Collusion with the government in prevention of protected speech is as bad as the government prevention of protected speech.
Maybe you could make a movie about corporate zombies. That would be great.
I don't know, perhaps about the time AT&T became one?
While I agree with your overall sentiment, I think in this case, your anger is misplaced. This looks a lot more like a spam filter doing what it was supposed to do rather than government censorship. Absent any evidence to suggest that the government pressured Yahoo into blocking these e-mails, I'm not inclined to blame the Feds for this one.
MCSE? No, sir...I don't do Windows. Yes, I am an idealist. What's your point?
It's not a total media blackout. It's just not front page news.
One of our competitors trademarked the term "hypothesis". From now on, we will call them "boneheaded ideas".
So now "Peaceful Protest" are a "crime." I guess your the type that would like to see every hippie shot in the head.
Way to be an "American."
I'm sad for our world. If America is lost the world will be lost.
I have yet to see any real protest come from this. You don't change policy by willingly confining yourself to the "free speech zones" that the police have set up. You don't change policy by going limp and zipping your mouth when confronted. You certainly don't change policy by loitering around a park eating pizza all weekend.
Instead of disrupting Wall Street, this group has done little more than create a weekend spectacle. They've largely played by the rules, and while that's great at making cops look like bullies, it doesn't actually achieve anything beyond a brief morning headline.
We need real protest. We don't need empty gestures and symbolic marches. We need action. We need rioting, and yes, even outright violence. The system is hostile toward us, why not repay the favor?
"He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." --Paul Atreides, Dune
Peaceful protest is a crime now, I guess.
Time to edit the civics books!
Wow, I don't know a better way of driving users away from an email service, then to try to filter their content.
Not filtering outgoing email only enables spambots. I use gmail because it does a great job filtering content.
So Yahoo made it harder for some criminals to commit crimes. And Slashdot editors think we should be upset with Yahoo.
Uh, crime? Protesting is a crime? What autocratic paradise do you hail from Kohath, where protesting is a crime? Surely America could be a perfect place too, if only everyone stopped complaining. It is unfortunate America has too much freedom. We could be so much better if we outlawed protests.
Now all you would need to do is to show any collaboration with the US, state or local government in this instance.
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Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
Umm... I think not http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2439254&cid=37470742
Sorry but I doubt that any news channel would not show 10,000 protesters on Wall Street. Since the food committee only has $14000 that comes to a buck forty per person. https://www.wepay.com/donate/99275
Yea sure there is this massive secret protest going on.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/ doesn't even see it worth covering. I found a few news stores about it. Let me sum it up for you. Tiny, fringe, crackpot, protest.
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Umm If you do not request that email and it was mass mailed it is spam.
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So Yahoo made it harder for some criminals to commit crimes. And Slashdot editors think we should be upset with Yahoo.
I'm assuming you are referring to the bankers?
Yeah, that's the real story here. Anyone asking for accountability from the criminals on Wall Street is a crack pot. On the other hand, those who demand the government keep its hands off of their social security, are patriots.
Give me Classic Slashdot or give me death!
Nothing to see here. The spam filtering even on my spamdump Yahoo account has been excellent for the eleven years I've used it.
"This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
That would mean that it was OBAMA's Government that did this. Wow, never would have thought that a bunch of left wing loons would make this case but, yeah, lets go with it!
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Since when is the government not required to stop companies from doing what Yahoo did?
Voting the fuckers out doesn't help, because the new guy will have the same puppet master pulling the strings in the background. New actor, same old script.
Until we the (physical) people take take back ownership of our monetary system and go back to limiting the "rights" of corporations, it doesn't matter what you do in the voting booth.
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Corporations = Government these days.
Dumbass.
That is all.
depending on how your workplace regards close-up photos of rather good-looking bikini crotches.
DRM: Terminator crops for your mind!
This is at least one of the things that's been bugging me about Slashdot as of late. It's almost to the point that sites like Reddit et al are at; widespread belief of government-level conspiracy, "news blackouts," and the notion that there's a massive secret protest going on somewhere. I'm really beginning to believe most of the posters here are either completely delusional or trolling. I'm hoping for the latter, but since many of them seem pretty vehement about it, I'm not holding out much hope. Of course, I doubt any of them will make the connection you did, because they'll fail to see the dichotomy they've created, and they're likely to call you numerous unsavory things for pointing out the obvious.
Years ago, Slashdot was somewhat unique in that it had more critical thinkers per capita than most other sites at the time. While I still enjoy most of the conversations and at least some of the posts, I can't help but wonder how it's possible for such a large (or perhaps mostly vocal) chunk of the Slashdot community to repeat nonsense they hear elsewhere without any obvious effort put into considering whether or not it's even possible, true, or plausible.
Blaming Wallstreet for an "information blackout" (and ultimately for the current economic situation, while simultaneously giving the government a free pass) is one such thing that comes to mind. If the economy falters, companies are bringing in less revenue; anyone who's taken a basic business class ought to know that companies have only two obligations: 1) to the shareholders and, by extension 2) growth. Considering the selling of assets, outsourcing, closing of factories, etc., it sure seems to me that the problem isn't with Wallstreet but rather a weakened economy. Of course, trying to explain this to the typical poster here is impossible. You'll be met with either "you're one of them!" or "you're a shill for (company|politician|ideology)!"
Then again, I guess that's the best thing about being delusional. You can be faced with valid criticisms and blow them all off with ad hominem discourse while feeling you're maintaining your own intellectual integrity!
He who has no
I like the nytimes picture that shows a cardboard sign with the worlds "OBVIOUS THEIFZ IS OBVIOUS"
"Lack of speed can be overcome. In the worst case by patience." --Znork
So I didn't think about a spam button that would logically be on such a service. Thanks.
I guess it would be based on individual motive. I can understanding rallying against their bailout at the expense of the general public. I can understand rallying against their constant buying of politicians to enact policy contrary to the good of the general public. I can see a few specific grievances.
Otherwise, hate of the corporations and the rich is quite often simply overly-broad, blind, ignorant venting of frustration. Admittedly, that probably described the majority of protesters.
Yeah Anonymous Cowards. Camping out on Wall Street and trying to disrupt the daily lives of people there is a crime.
A peaceful protest is holding up a sign with a slogan. Blocking doors and streets and harassing people is a crime.
While I agree with you in spirit, I gotta ask: WHY ARE YOU HERE? Get out there and start kicking ass Internet Tough Guy. I'll be right behind you!
Amen. Mod parent up.
The distinction between large corporations and government is becoming more blurred with each passing day, while we're distracted with the equivalent of WWF smack talk, ringside bikini girls, cheap beer and hotdogs.
I can see the fnords!
Yahoo Mail's spam filtering is the least effective spam filtering known to man. Every day I get dozens of offers for credit cards, weight loss pills, penile enlargement pills, etc. How can they say with a straight face this is simply an overzealous spam filter?
And whoever heard of "residual delays?" That just means they blocked it on purpose, lied about it, and are now lying about fixing it.
Yea because sitting around WallStreet eating donated pizza is going to do anything. Please they have a committee to decide what pizza to get.
Crack pot to say that 10,000 showed up.
Crack pot to say that their spam being stopped was censorship.
Crack pot to say that there was no coverage of their little protest.
Hey I am the first to say that corps are out of control The media corps own the Democrats, Finance owns the GOP, the Telcomms seem to own both. What we need is a good Republican president like Teddy Roosevelt.
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the same was true under bush
it doesn't speak very highly of your intelligence that you blame a charismatic person instead of the system itself
go back to reading celebrity gossip. it is a subject matter more in tune with your mentality
or, to put it more succinctly:
Small minds discuss people.
Average minds discuss events.
Great minds discuss ideas.
you are a small mind
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Why on earth would NetSol need a spam filter???
All the world's a CPU, and all the men and women merely AI agents
No, it's not going to do anything. At this point, nothing will do anything. Still better to do something than sit around moaning.
It's not like these people don't have a legitimate grievance. High Finance is an outright criminal institution these days. They orchestrated the largest property crime in history, and not one of them is being prosecuted for it.
Who's really the crack pot? The ones who want these criminals tried, or the ones who want them free?
Give me Classic Slashdot or give me death!
That's why I USE their email service (viewed via Thunderbird to dodge their annoying site design).
I have a spamdump account with Yahoo I've used since 1999 and hardly get ten spams a day. My "regular" Yahoo accounts get even less.
If you want to spam people, don't use a Yahoo account.
"This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
Why does Yahoo get to do whatever the fuck they want? Do you let people who visit your house do whatever the fuck they want? Yahoo operates in the United States, which belongs to all of us.
You know, Yahoo email is about the only decent product Yahoo has left, and I know a lot of people that still use it. I have a Yahoo and a Gmail email account, and neither is really better than the other. Yahoo is easier if I need to set up a secondary email account for some reason.
Let me sum it up for you. Tiny, fringe, crackpot, protest.
Sumed up nicely.
You missed my point. You have a left wing loon blaming Corporations and Government, but neglecting to notice the "government" is what they probably want (more or less). If this was Bush's economy, there would be no excuses, but this is Obama's so ... we blame Bush. And it comes out in the GP poster's comments that they are sill in the this is Bush's Government.
And the great thing about Conspiracies, is that you don't actually have to prove them to keep believing. "That is what I want to believe, don't confuse me with the facts " happens on both sides of the aisles.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Only brown people get revolutions with blood and confrontation, we smart whitey people do it with memes, memes and iphones and segways lolololercopteroz! /s
There is no difference between corporations and the government. It's just a convenient fiction used to manipulate you.
True, we all know that both the US governments and Yahoo are well managed and making a lot of money, No connection there.
Ever heard of a story called "the boy who cried wolf?" Their price list for selling out customer information was released via wikileaks some time ago. Don't consistently paint a history of yourself selling out your customers to any government official who can cross your palms with silver and expect people not to draw the same conclusion in future events. It may not be malevolence this time, but they've already built a logical conclusion for people to jump to.
You would be wrong.
Wall Street ? Watch Inside Job (2010). All banks/bankers should be wiped off because they're acting against people.
Recipes for USA bankrupt - http://tinypaste.com/0d66f dd = dollar deluge (printed in the infinity)
I am not trying to be a jackass or be sarcastic. But let me ask you why you aren't considering starting a protest? I wouldn't advise violence of any kind though for the simple reason that the ultimate result of violence is more and more hatred.. and the cycle of violence will be hard to stop.
But there are so many homeless people in the US - and so many unemployed people; many of whom who lost their jobs because of the greed of the banks and the super rich. These people may be very willing to join in a protest - but they need someone to start it for them; and also handle all the planning and the logistics involved.
If you are a person who can handle this, why don't you consider starting the protest. I am serious.
If one were to sit down and write out a plan for a long, prolonged protest which is both popularly supported as well as sustainable - at least sustainable enough to bring about change, then what would that plan include:
1. It would include a set of points which the government / wall street must agree to. This must be clear and specific so that progress can be measured. These should be communicated very clearly to the government and to all volunteers who join the protest.
2. It would include setting up volunteers to:
a) Recruit more volunteers
b) Provide the logistics needed to handle the crowds
c) Manage the marketing
c.1) To transfer the enthusiasm of the core group managing the protest so that the crowd can buy into the overall vision behind the protest.
c.2) T-Shirts, banners and all sorts of media work
d) Manage the dissemination of news and public relationships
e) Handle the legal aspects such as permits, getting legal services to those who are arrested etc.
f) Manage the generation of funds
g) Manage the accounting of the funds so that there is no misappropriation etc.
I am sure there are many on Slashdot who may be willing to step in to help with this.
I am not American and neither do I reside in the US, but if I were there, I would definitely either start this protest or join in long term in the protest.
Blaming Wallstreet for an "information blackout" (and ultimately for the current economic situation, while simultaneously giving the government a free pass
The housing crisis, caused by lending institutions granting mortgages to unqualified applicants, wasn't the fault of large banking corporations? They knew they could shove their losses off on Fannie and Freddie, so they had no risk, took the money and ran. Not that the govt wasn't complicit as well, dishing out TARP funds did nothing but encourage this anti-social behavior.
If the economy falters, companies are bringing in less revenue
Seriously? What planet are you on?
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/24/business/economy/24econ.html"Corporate Profits Were the Highest on Record Last Quarter"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/23/corporate-profits-q3-2010-_n_787573.html"Corporate Profits Hit New Record, U.S. Workers Still Struggling "
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2011/performers/companies/profits/"Top companies: Most profitable" # Note, you have to go to #27 before you find one reporting a loss, and out of the top 50, only 5 report a loss
http://www.economist.com/node/18073369"How much longer can corporate America keep on delivering bumper increases in profits?"
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/income-inequality-in-america-chart-graph"It's the Inequality, Stupid" Sorry, their title, not mine. Anyway, this gives an idea where that profit is going. If you are NOT in the top 1% of income earners, your after tax income has likely gone down since 1979. If you are in the top 1%, it has gone up more than 120%.
http://www.businessinsider.com/15-charts-about-wealth-and-inequality-in-america-2010-4#the-last-two-decades-were-greatif-you-were-a-ceo-or-owner-not-if-you-were-anyone-else-5"15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America" # CEO pay up 298% from 1990 to 2005, while the average workers pay is up 4.3%.
I would go on, but I have to get back to my wage-slave existence so I can have a roof over my head and something to eat tonight. Crying and/or going postal in the office would probably get me marked down on my performance review.
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Blocking doors and streets and harassing people is a crime.
That was true even back when Rosa Parks, MLK,and Mahatma Gandhi were all protesting for their rights. I'm Surprised they aren't all still in prison for their unlawful protests.
Don't even get me started on those dirty, ungrateful hippies protesting the vietnam war.
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Big Corporations is not where most of the wealth is. Nor is it where most of the Jobs come from. Nor is setting policies in such a way that target them going to fix whatever problem you think they have.
The problem for you is you make no distinction between HUGE MEGA CORP and Mom N Pop Corp. And so, the policies that liberals put in place to "stick it to the man" affects people who are definitely not "the man". And you will never admit it.
As for housing crisis, just ask Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and Barney Frank. I'm not saying the big corps are blameless, but so are the policies mandated by your friends, and UNTIL you can admit that Government Interference had partial blame in the matter, then we can't fix things.
And from what I can see, no amount of evil can be avoided when people excuse evil in the name of good intentions.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Big Corporations is not where most of the wealth is. Nor is it where most of the Jobs come from. Nor is setting policies in such a way that target them going to fix whatever problem you think they have.
If wealth is defined by income or net worth, you are way off base. If that net worth and income is not due to affiliation with Big Corporations, please enlighten me. The wealthiest 1% of the population control 34+% of the net worth, the wealthiest 10% control of 73%. That leaves 27% of the value in the US for the other 90%. I don't have any ready links regarding jobs, I'd be glad to check them out.
Of the first 100 entries on the Forbes 400 wealthiest americans seems to be mostly populated by Corporate execs and investment bankers. I'll grant you the few with a source of income listed as "diversified", but there are not many. I also didn't bother digging through the 200-400 pages.
The problem for you is you make no distinction between HUGE MEGA CORP and Mom N Pop Corp. And so, the policies that liberals put in place to "stick it to the man" affects people who are definitely not "the man". And you will never admit it.
I did not make that distinction, and it is a valid one. I don't know why you think so, but I will be the first one to admit the difference. The fact that legislation that is supposed to limit Corporations (howabout I use the cap-C to notate large, multinational corps for the sake of simplicity) but ends up a burden on small business is no surprise at all. I don't know if you are referring to any specific legislation, but I would expect lobbyists from Corporations to spend heavily to push any such legislation, if not writing it directly.
so are the policies mandated by your friends
My friends? Do you have some mistaken belief that I am a fan of the govt in general, or any specific party?
and UNTIL you can admit that Government Interference had partial blame in the matter, then we can't fix things.
UNTIL I can admit it? I never said government wasn't to blame, government interference is certainly part of the problem. In fact, a big part of the problem is the merger of Corporations and government. Movement of executives between government agencies and the Corporations they are supposed to regulate is nothing more than the fox guarding the hen house. "Too big to fail" should cause anyone claiming to be a capitalist to burst a blood vessel.
I have scorn for a long list of facilitators of the current economic clusterfuck.
Clinton - signed the The Grammâ"Leachâ"Bliley Act (GLB), also known as the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999. This removed the separation between investment banks, savings banks, and insurance companies that was institued by the Glass-Steagall Act.
How about George Bush? Signed the TARP act, bailing out the banks that should have been buried by their poor decisions.
And don't forget that Obama voted for it while he was still in the Senate. He seems to think you can tax and spend your way out of a hole. It may look nice for a while but eventually the piper needs to be paid, and he is going to be paid by your children and grand-children
no amount of evil can be avoided when people excuse evil in the name of good intentions.
There is something I think we can agree on.
What is going to fix this?
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People who just dismiss this as unimportant "spam trapping" miss the larger picture. WHAT A PERFECT COVER FOR CENSORSHIP!!!
What this really highlights is that email provides have refused to fix email and rid us of real spam once and for all. It's not that hard. There are two ways the problem can be solved.
1) When you receive an email from an address that you have never received email from before they are automatically sent a response that requires them to verify they are human Using a captcha or some such verification. By doing so their original email will be passed on, otherwise it goes in the spam basket.
2) Penny exchange. It costs a penny to send an email, and the penny is given to the person receiving the email. So we all have plenty of pennies to use for our everyday emails, but it would cost mass spammers a lot of money.
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To start with, I'd suggest anyone who had an email blocked contact yahoo! and ask why they are reading and censoring your email in violation of their own privacy policy.
http://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/
Better might be to contact their office at:
Yahoo! Inc.
Customer Care - Privacy Policy Issues
701 First Avenue
Sunnyvale, CA 94089
(408) 349-5070
I was agreeing with you in a tongue-in-cheek sense (and I do agree, don't mistake that otherwise). I apologize that I did not make that quite clear. I happened to want to rant, and your post was a good one to bounce off of, so...
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Now, now, let's keep this civil.
I neglected to include the term generally speaking in that statement. However, I can't help but notice that most of the articles you pulled were from Q3 2010.
Some sectors (Yum! brands comes to mind) are bringing in record profits precisely because if the strength in international markets (China, for instance), so looking at the numbers without objective context may be mostly meaningless.
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