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Canadian Government Says DRM Circumvention Not Related To Copyright

An anonymous reader writes "Michael Geist has followed up a recent release of internal government talking points on copyright with the full, internal clause-by-clause analysis of Bill C-32. A new copyright bill is expected as soon as this week and the government document confirms there is no defense to violations of the digital lock rules, noting 'a contravention of this prohibition is not an infringement of copyright and the defenses to infringement of copyright are not defenses to these prohibitions.' The government's own words on the digital lock provisions confirm that they may be unconstitutional since they fall outside the boundaries of copyright." Basically, if you break DRM even without violating copyright in the process you can still be held liable, and from this any defense based on copyright law (fair use, etc.) is not valid in such cases. On the flipside, several legal experts think that makes those provisions of the law less likely to stand up in court.

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  1. What is this, minority report by Moheeheeko · · Score: 2

    You are under violation of thinking about breaking copyright law!

    1. Re:What is this, minority report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      > Punish illegal act.
      Error: fair use clause makes act legal.
      >sudo Punish illegal act.
      Punished.

    2. Re:What is this, minority report by countertrolling · · Score: 2

      We all did by consent...

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  2. So then what this is saying... by JordanL · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...is that DRM represents an in perpetuum algorithmic representation of law that supercedes all haebeus corpus, or the belief of reasonable doubt. In order for DRM to be treated this way, DRM has to be a computer algorithm that is more correct about how to assess law than the justice system itself. Or at least, that's the consequence of this law.

    1. Re:So then what this is saying... by click2005 · · Score: 2

      So instead of ripping your own DVDs you have to download a copy ripped by someone else?

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  3. This is all about by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Funny

    Protecting revenues from sale of SCTV episodes, eh!

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  4. It makes sense now by Moheeheeko · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Law protecting DRM proposed in canada. What company, based in Montreal, has the worst DRM of any other developer? Ubisoft. The always online DRM is so bad people who bought their games are breaking it. This is a law to protect the Ubisoft DRM, plain and simple.

    1. Re:It makes sense now by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 4, Funny

      There were several unsolved murders committed in Montreal last year. I always wondered who commits all these murders, but now I think I have my answer! The world is made so simple with foregone conclusions!

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  5. It would be nice... by Demonantis · · Score: 2

    if our politicians could at least write law so that it looks like it would stand up in court. I understand that there is a fair bit of stuff that isn't clear cut with the whole body of law considered that needs court time. But in instances like this it feels like the politicians are just giving into the lobbyists without even giving a second thought about the values the country that gave them their job was built on. It is rather sickening.

    1. Re:It would be nice... by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 2

      Lobbyists do everything.

      Do you live in Canada, you Anonymous Coward? While there are certainly lobbyists here in Canada, their power is considerably less than their American counterparts. The lobby laws are stricter, and the very strict campaign finance laws in Canada mean the lobbyists are unable to wield the same degree of influence as they do in the USA as they have very little cash to throw around.

    2. Re:It would be nice... by mbone · · Score: 2

      That sure ain't how it seems from here. Do you really think that your MPs went to their ridings and got the considered opinion of their constituents before they cobbled together this bill ? Or, rather, that when the lobbyists said jump, the Canadian House of Commons said, "How high?"

  6. Re:I thought DRM was inherently broken? by mywhitewolf · · Score: 2

    that's a very good point, almost entirely invalidated by the EULA of "you don't own the software, you've purchased access to it" if that didn't stand up in court then modifying the DRM wouldn't be illegal (hell, modifying the software wouldn't be illegal).

    Don't get me wrong, i don't think it should be this way, but that's the way it is.

  7. Re:DMCA by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How have the constitutionally invalid provisions of the US DMCA not been ripped to shreds in the US courts?

    For one thing, justice is expensive. Members of the public and charities acting in the public interest don't necessarily have the cash to hire competent attorneys with experience before the Supreme Court. For another, federal courts are slow.

  8. Re:I thought DRM was inherently broken? by Rary · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In DRM, B and C are NOT the same person. B is the approved* media player equipment. C is the consumer.

    The problem is that B is not a person, but rather a device that is the legal property of C. It makes no sense to grant rights to an inanimate object that are not also granted to the legal owner of that inanimate object. B and C should be, legally speaking, one and the same.

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  9. Victory against the MPAA and RIAA by TRRosen · · Score: 2

    Hey what this says is circumventing DRM is a violation of a civil contract with the rights holder and not a violation of the copyright itself. That would mean you can only be held responsible FOR ACTUAL DAMAGES. It would be very hard if not impossible for anyone to establish any damage from an individual breaking DRM for fair use. It's the copyright laws that have the outrageous statutory damages.

    1. Re:Victory against the MPAA and RIAA by vux984 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The MPAA, RIAA and fair use don't exist in Canada

      CMPDA (Canadian Motion Picture Distributors Association) ~= MPAA
      CRIA (Canadian Recording Industry Association) ~= RIAA
      Fair Dealing ~= Fair Use

      Not the same, but not exactly different either.

      Fair Dealing in Canada I'd argue is actually superior to fair use in the States.

      The Canadian Supreme court clarified in one of its rulings:

      Procedurally, a defendant is required to prove that his or her dealing with a work has been fair; however, the fair dealing exception is perhaps more properly understood as an integral part of the Copyright Act than simply a defence. Any act falling within the fair dealing exception will not be an infringement of copyright. The fair dealing exception, like other exceptions in the Copyright Act, is a user's right. In order to maintain the proper balance between the rights of a copyright owner and users' interests, it must not be interpreted restrictively.

  10. Re:DMCA by Trogre · · Score: 2

    Unfortunately, this is not unconstitutional at all, precisely because the Supreme Court has not yet declared it as such.

    If you don't like it, please think carefully about the system you voted in.

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  11. It's simple by coalrestall · · Score: 2

    Give artists/distributors the choice – their works can either be protected by copyright, or by DRM, but not both. If the DRM is effective then they won't need copyright protection. Plus it's illegal to break the lock. That said, if the lock is broken, the content is no longer protected and the public can do what they like with it (except the person that broke the lock – they're going to prison, if we can establish who they are...)

  12. Re:DMCA by Imrik · · Score: 2

    For another, you have to actually be tried under those provisions to challenge them in court.

  13. DRM? Then no copyright by kanweg · · Score: 2

    While unpopular with the /. crowd, IP laws are a "contract" between society and creator. The creator gets rewarded with a temporary right to prohibit others from copying etc. After that period, the creative work enters the public domain. It should be blindingly obvious that of the IP laws, it is the copyright law that has become completely out of whack, given the insane duration of copyright.

    With DRM it gets even worse: The creator (or usually the person who obtained the rights from the creator) doesn't intend to fulfill his end of the contract. DRM prevents a work from entering the public domain.

    Bert
    (patent attorney)

  14. As Alan Cox put it on /. when US made same mistake by D4C5CE · · Score: 2
    Digital Restrictions Management and copyright are so obviously "unrelated" as in:

    "[Y]ou can easily get a longer sentence for helping grandma read than kicking her down the stairs."

    Anti-circumvention provisions being "bad law and bad policy" as Lawrence Lessig called them in his 2001 op-ed piece Jail Time in the Digital Age must be the reason why they get adopted the world over (Ayn Rand comes to mind). :-( It's a logical next step for him to have focused on corruption research.