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ACTA To Be Signed This Weekend
We've been following the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement for over three years, from its secretive beginnings, to the controversy and debate that followed, and to the document it eventually evolved into. Now, Japan has announced that the agreement will finally be signed on Saturday during a ceremony that follows an anti-piracy symposium on Friday.
"The negotiation has been carried out among Australia, Canada, the European Union and its Member States, Japan, the Republic of Korea, Mexico, Morocco, New Zealand, Singapore, Switzerland, and the United States, and reached a general agreement at the negotiation meeting held in Japan in October 2010, followed by the completion of technical and translation work in April 2011. ... The signing ceremony will be attended by the representatives of all the participants in the ACTA negotiations, and those that have completed relevant domestic processes will sign the agreement. The agreement is open for signature until May 1, 2013."
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Well damn someone pass the lube I guess it's that time again.
Mexican Senate has already voted to not let president sign ACTA, yet, mexican IP officials and the content industry local representatives frequently make public statements about Mexico signing ACTA.
They will be at the Japan's signing ceremony as witnesses, but a few congress members haven't officially informed about recent developments concerning ACTA.
It's still as obscure as it was at the begining of the negotiations.
Don't be shocked if this follows the pattern laid out in the case of the WIPO anticircumvention treaty. It did not require anything nearly as strong as the DMCA, but the content industry kept waiving it in congressional faces, demanding that we pass something far too draconian to be justified by the treaty we had actually signed. In principle, this is set up to be in line with extant US law, thus not requiring a full Senate confirmation, but I wouldn't be shocked if (a) the content industries rammed down much stronger interpretations down other countries' throats, and (b) they then came back to the US and demanded that we "harmonize" with these stronger interpretations.
Has anyone heard about this in the Canadian media? No.
Is Herr Harper going to have it signed anyways? Of course. No need to discuss with the plebes what rights are being signed away. The elite have already been consulted.
... how's that 'representative democracy' working out for 'ya? Feel represented yet?
My God, it's Full of Source!
OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
America's top exports: pornography, hamburgers, movies, economic instability, and, of course, imbalanced copyright legislation. Damn it America, keep your garbage to yourself! We all have our own special interest lobby groups! The last thing we need is for our governments to feel the influence of YOUR lobby groups, too. There's hardly any highly developed countries left where people can live quiet lives with *sane* copyright legislation.
So they'll finally get around to kicking the stuffings out of large torrent sites. Then, everyone goes to Tor or some other darknet, and piracy will shift back to smaller scale.
Maybe.
Meanwhile, Usenet and IRC are still kicking, still the source of major warez, still the breeding ground for trolls, for ever and ever, world without end, amen.
That is what the US will become. The warriors of intellectual property. If we can't manufacture, create, and export tangible things, then god-dammit we'll charge for any intangible a lawyer can serve papers on.
'We are trying to prove ourselves wrong as quickly as possible, because only in that way can we find progress.' RPF
Australia, Canada, the European Union and its Member States, Japan, the Republic of Korea, Mexico, Morocco, New Zealand, Singapore, Switzerland....
Are all our bitches now.. You'll enforce our IP laws and fucking like it. And we might pretend to enforce your IP laws if it suits us. But i wouldn't bet on it if an american company is involved.
Mod me down. But it's still 100% true. Watch and see. We're now entering an age of a new unwinnable war.. The war on "piracy"! And it's going to cost us all BILLIONS!. Except hollywood and the music industry. They're the only winners.
Damm we're retarded. But hey... Not nearly as bad as.. Australia, Canada, the European Union and its Member States, Japan, the Republic of Korea, Mexico, Morocco, New Zealand, Singapore, Switzerland....
Civil disobedience.
No, I'm not a "pirate" and I don't steal stuff from "Rights Holders" and "Intellectual Property" evangelists. However, I do advocate boycotting them and everything they're selling for pushing draconian "legislation" such as ACTA. This sort of crap is not adding value to the world.
Nobody *needs* anything they're selling.
Don't buy it. Don't use it. Find other suppliers. There's plenty of them if you'd only look! Teach 'em how to rot in hell. Don't go there or play their game, and convince your friends not to as well.
They're slime, they're acting like slime, and you need not put up with actions such as theirs. They're also co-opting your government and legal system against you.
Just don't buy their !@#$. Watch 'em fade into history as they should.
"Tongue tied and twisted, just an Earth bound misfit
You should get into the fertilizer business with that amount of bullshit.
And then you proceed to bury the pile with double the volume.
Bush kidnapped and tortured people on a whim
This policy is continued today under Obama. So perhaps thats more the CIA than the president..
stole hundred of billions of dollars from the nation in the form of unfunded wars and mandates
Are banks and automobile companies really so different? Not to mention there is Libya...
Obama told schoolchildren that they should stay in school, and was excoriated in the media for Soviet brainwashing.
Methinks you have dropped all context totally there, as well as misunderstanding what "the media" did.
He tried to reimburse doctors for helping patients write a living will, and was accused of setting of Nazi Death Panels
The Death Panels part came not from doctors writing wills but from forming, well, panels deciding how much care people would get - or not. And when you don't get the care you need because the panel thinks you are too old and the treatment too expensive... draw your own conclusions.
Or actually don't, since you seem to be unable to rationally do so otherwise.
I don't have time to wade any further through your "output" so I'll just leave it at that, and let you have the last response since a liberal that far into the vapors will not see reason no matter how many times you read them the Golden Book on it.
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how's that 'representative democracy' working out for 'ya?
Its working out extremely well if anti-counterfeiting legislation is near the top of our list of concerns.
The Obama administration has made it possible to create petitions which, if they get sufficient signatures, will be
responded to and potentially acted on. I've created one at http://wh.gov/4PW which I encourage all to read and
sign if they agree with it. We can defeat this!
switch to GPL! and your soul will be saved from ACTA
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Are all our bitches now.. You'll enforce our IP laws and fucking like it. And we might pretend to enforce your IP laws if it suits us. But i wouldn't bet on it if an american company is involved.
Don't bet for it for the future, though. It's not like the creation of new IP is a monopoly of US... and while US companies will be busy fighting among themselves and the rest of the world (Apple, Oracle, Google, ) the rest of the world won't stop, watch and eat popcorn, "Berne convention" or ACTA be damned.
Questions raise, answers kill. Raise questions to stay alive.
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One of the best I ever had was a nice juicy ground chuck patty with swiss cheese, then a slab of ham on top then a ring of pineapple, then the usual lettuce/tomato/etc. Messy, but *really* good.
we're all out.
i wish this would have worked out and that we would won. but it seems "democracy" is only useful when we need to bomb the hell out of a nation we don't like.
http://www.stopacta.info/about
maybe there's still time to reverse that idiocy. suggestions?
Semantics is the gravity of abstraction
And if you ask why nobody trusts you: those shenanigans are why.
Anyone wanna join me in Norway? Wealthy, non-EU state with lots of jobs!
Fuck You.
Put me in jail.
I defend the second amendment with cold hard steel.
I hold very few opinions. I hold information based on observation and fact. If you wish to disagree, please use facts.
Done. I had to reload the page a couple of times for the "petition tool" to display correctly. Probably the server is overloaded...
Of course, we are naive to believe that the O'bummer administration (or any administration) will pay attention to opinions that it dislikes. Don't expect this to change anything...
Enjoy life! This is not a dress rehearsal.
Missing from the list. Too bad that the west can't get some backbone and go after the biggest counterfeiters and really protect western interests - all our interests and not just the entertainment industry.
blindly antisocialist = antisocial
Saying "representative democracy only works when people pay attention to government" is like saying "communism only works if people aren't lazy and greedy". Ignorance is just as inherent quality of human beings as greed. Hence democracy/capitalism is also flawed as communism/planned economy/other forms of government.
Until we design a decision making process that works with selfish lazy greedy ignorant people, we won't get anywhere. I believe it can be done, using ideas like ant colony optimization or error detection or correction. We can make electronics work with a certain percentage of flaws- so why not human systems?
--Coder
I liked the Cracked article that described our future as FARTS based economy. That is Forced ARTificial Scarcity. Perfectly fitting acronym for it.
--Coder
Politicians, lobbyists et. al might actually understand what post-scarcity means.
They'll never change anyone's behavior. The genie is out of the bottle, people have no qualms about sharing things.
All they're doing is challenging devs to create better p2p mechanisms.
Did we get ANY public consultation at all about this? Did we see a legitimate draft of the text, versus unintentionally leaked versions?
I mean, what the hell???
and you get out too. dont poison that predominantly social democrat country with high standards of humanity and living with your shitty, destructive american right wing capitalist mindset.
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I'm surprised Google isn't at the forefront of this odious pice of drek.
Since its value to the artist is still as high as before, absent a tiny trickle.
Now, when your only product is the selling of someone else's work, what happens when nobody will let you sell their work?
That's right: you are unemployed.
This conversation is about ACTA. I know your petty partisanship seems mighty important to you, but the reality is it is not relevant to the wider picture at all. I believe there are numerous partisan argument forums on the web, please retire to one of those and let this thread be about something that actually matters at all.
There they will be represented by a life size screen and a 100 W speaker.
And all without leaving home-town and electoral district!
Exactly. There should be no reason for these guys all to fly to Washington DC, all to assemble in one room.
Get them onto the Internet, connect them into a virtual room, have this thing broadcast over youtube.
NO MORE PRIVATE BS CONVERSATIONS.
Record everything they do. Anything that's not recorded must be illegal for them. Force them to live in places that they are supposed to represent.
Have a huge ass LCD screen in every city of the State, constantly showing what the elected officials are doing.
They better get used to this, because that's what they want to perpetrate on every one of YOU.
You can't handle the truth.
The everyone continues to get American jobs except Americans bill.
So now you know the countries that are part of this. Consist of less than half of the world population. Hardly what the people wants.
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"Sign this petition" is greyed out for me, IE 7 or FireFox 6. It says to sign in, but at the bottom is says Welcome {me} and I can't sign in - only sign out. Is this what everyone else is seeing?
So much for the "transparency in government" that the Obama Administration had promised us. ACTA is nothing more than a Hollywood Democrat backed hand-out to 'copyright holders' and corporate media.
One of the bigger reasons I didn't vote for Obama was because of Joe Biden and his absolutely terrible track record when it comes to tech privacy and kissing ass to Hollywood. Same with Clinton and Feinstein. They have been bending over backwards to their Hollywood MPAA/RIAA financial donors for many years now. Wikileaks exposed this as well, but it's something most of us have seen for years.
It's back to six of one, half dozen of the other when we vote these days.
We need this. There are credible movements to legalize pot. Without contraband, how will gangsters put food on their family?
Want to boycott the major record labels and their affiliated music publishers? Good luck walking into a grocery store without hearing major-label music.
I wanted to vote for Ron Paul, but he was mathematically eliminated from the 2008 presidential race before the primary even got to Indiana. But even if he had won, a states' rights platform wouldn't make a difference in this case: the Constitution gives Congress the exclusive right to grant patents and copyrights.
i am opposed to political freedom as such. there should be no freedom to perpetuate ideologies that end freedoms.
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if you had the mindset i talked about, it would mean you were more american than norwegian.
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Ron Paul is becoming a crazy old man. He's _mostly_ still there, but he's losing it. My concern is that he's so principled that he won't bother to think things through and instead rely on the philosophies he's spent decades building (read: like a crutch). If you don't think things through, you misapply stuff, make mistakes, and destroy lives.
Most of what he stands for is good, but I think he's past his expiration date.
I don't understand the problem. IANAL but looking at the treaty it doesn't allow the US to do anything more than can be done today.
For Example:
in accordance with its laws and regulations, its competent authorities with the authority to order an online service provider to disclose expeditiously to a right holder information sufficient to identify a subscriber whose account was allegedly used for infringement
Maybe I'm missing something, but this doesn't give any more permission to do anything.
Well maybe should start thinking of a better one then. A lot of systems have been tried, but never before in history of humankind we had capability to do automated information processing and cheap communication. Hence some systems that were unfeasible in the past can be implemented using todays technology, and maybe new ones can emerge.
Yes, I know I have no specific solutions. However we should realize democracy+capitalism DOESN'T work as advertized, and I doubt it ever will with corporations and mass media and education being the way they are. We should start the effort to design something better. It won't be easy though...
--Coder
you are living in a world where freedom of enslaving is banned. not only that, but the proliferation of that idea is also banned. yet, you are talking about freedoms.
with your proposition people who would want to enslave people or preach that are being ripped off their freedoms. its censorship.
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it just means that you people in the west dont know shit yet. you think if you let people talk and preach, but ban practice of what they preach, 'freedoms' will work out.
it doesnt work out. the parties wanting to end freedoms increasingly gain supporters, and start demanding an end to the freedoms you though everyone was going to have for eternity. the simplest of these examples from europe are the proceeds of islamist groups in europe, and from america, the fact that the right-wing sources have now started to give speeches and statements evaluating to 'slavery was not bad' on governorial level in midwest states of america.
it was no different with fascism in italy, or nazism in germany. once let out of the bottle, the movements that want to end freedoms do not stay in 'talking' level.
and im no right wing. just, you are naive.
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China does not seem to be very concerned with this "problem" and, oh well, they just manufacture more stuff than anybody else and their economy is booming.
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Interstate Commerce - this is a CLEAR example of where the feds belong; even the constitution itself goes into "IP" law. What you should argue is that some extensions are unconstitutional because they CHANGE the constitution without an amendment.