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Steve Jobs Dead At 56

SoCalChris writes "Apple cofounder Steve Jobs was found dead in his Cupertino home this morning. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him — even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon."

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  1. Lameness by cfalcon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    RIP. He was a visionary.

    1. Re:Lameness by FyRE666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Love or hate him, no-one can deny the guy achieved a hell of a lot in his life. Even though he'd resigned his post the man still had a lot to offer.

      RIP Steve.

    2. Re:Lameness by exomondo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Love or hate him, no-one can deny the guy achieved a hell of a lot in his life. Even though he'd resigned his post the man still had a lot to offer. RIP Steve.

      amen to that, he contributed more to driving the technology industry than just about anyone else.

    3. Re:Lameness by oakgrove · · Score: 4, Informative
      RIP

      Sent from my iPad.

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    4. Re:Lameness by Garridan · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I'm an Apple-hater from the Linux camp. The world just lost one of its preeminent technological visionaries, and reading the article brought a tear to my eye. Fuck cancer, indeed.

    5. Re:Lameness by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Yup. He was there in the beginning of the modern computing age...one of the main three that brought us the computer world we know now...Jobs, Wozniak, Gates.

      Think about them what you will, but no denying he's one on the big three that have brought us to the commonly known and use computer tech world that everyone knows today...

      RIP

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    6. Re:Lameness by sarysa · · Score: 2, Interesting

      amen to that, he contributed more to driving the technology industry than just about anyone else.

      Statements like this make me no longer care about the inappropriate timing of the comment I'm about to make, but I'll make it anyway: I sure hope the latest news means that objectivity will return to how devices are rated, how interfaces are criticized, how Apple is viewed by the media, and how computing will progress from here on out. From the fall of AOL to the rise of iComputing, we had a 12 year golden age where walled gardens were derided, people owned their own devices, and the landscape of the internet formed more or less naturally.

      That said, I will miss how he made it okay to latch onto a particular fashion and stick to it. That's one of the few things we'd agree on.

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    7. Re:Lameness by mug+funky · · Score: 2

      monospace hurts my eyes and brain.

      Steve would not have wanted this.

    8. Re:Lameness by digitig · · Score: 2

      I'm going to miss Bert Jansch more, but still a sad loss.

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    9. Re:Lameness by Beer+is+good · · Score: 2

      iCried

    10. Re:Lameness by Hijacked+Public · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I had maybe a dozen iPods, mostly for photo storage. Not sure how many Apple laptops. 3 iPhones.

      None of them ever tried to control me.

      I'd be sitting on the couch surfing the web with my MBP and would think "I want to go outside". I'd then do that, seemingly with no interference from the MBP. Similarly I'd be driving down the street with my iPhone in my pocket and never once felt like the phone was trying to get be to drive to the Apple store.

      But I will admit that the MBP I am typing this on auto-capilatized iPhone. Maybe that is what you mean...

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    11. Re:Lameness by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Insightful

      From the fall of AOL to the rise of iComputing, we had a 12 year golden age where walled gardens were derided, people owned their own devices, and the landscape of the internet formed more or less naturally.

      Nevermind things like WGA, TPM, DRM, the omni-present EULAs in nearly everything that the majority of humanity used, making backups of one's media was considered to be "theft", Windows(!?) was actually poised to take over the server room, decoding an encrypted file or a proprietary chip meant litigation and/or jail time, and many, many other examples...

      Golden age, my ass.

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    12. Re:Lameness by wildstoo · · Score: 2

      Totally. Steve was a bit of a hippy so I don't know if he believed in an afterlife. If he is up in iHeaven I hope keeps working. I want cool toys when I get there. Typed this on an Android tablet that probably wouldn't exist if it wasn't for Steve.

    13. Re:Lameness by artor3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No way. I don't want to in any way disparage the man, he was certainly a visionary, but it was the forgotten engineers and technicians, laboring away for 80 hours a week with no overtime who have driven and continue to drive the technology industry. People love to heap praise on the CEOs, because people like having a single figure to praise (and blame). But Apple would be nothing without the hard work of the faceless employees who actually gave form to Jobs's ideas.

      And before you say that Jobs contributed more than any individual one of them, let me ask: do you really even know how many of his contributions were truly his, and not his underlings'?

    14. Re:Lameness by dohnut · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And before you say that Jobs contributed more than any individual one of them, let me ask: do you really even know how many of his contributions were truly his, and not his underlings'?

      Doesn't matter. Being a great leader or CEO isn't about coming up with great ideas, it's about recognizing them.

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    15. Re:Lameness by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 2

      He was a flawed human being trying to make sense of this mess as best he could trying to leave things better than he found them, as are we all. He will be missed.

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    16. Re:Lameness by swalve · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Torvalds was 9 when Jobs and Wozniak were doing their revolutionizing. There is a good case to be made that without Woz, Torvalds wouldn't have done what he did.

    17. Re:Lameness by swalve · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Armies need generals, and generals need armies.

    18. Re:Lameness by Tragek · · Score: 5, Funny

      No reincarnation. Only 56. Lame.

      (RIP)

    19. Re:Lameness by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      I'm going to miss Bert Jansch

      Now I'm really bummed.

      RIP, Steve Jobs. As far as a life goes, you could do a lot worse than all that Jobs was able to accomplish in 56 years.

      I've had enough of good people dying young of cancer.

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    20. Re:Lameness by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Statements like this make me no longer care about the inappropriate timing of the comment I'm about to make, but I'll make it anyway: I sure hope the latest news means that objectivity will return to how devices are rated

      But, the decision to buy something isn't purely an objective decision. It's as much about preference as anything else -- do you need a customizable, extensible command line, or do you want something that's largely idiot proof?

      When I was in university, Linux was the coolest thing ever because I could endlessly discover all of the free stuff there was ... not to mention coolness and multi-tasking.

      Now, for sitting in my recliner, or in an airplane, or a hotel room and essentially just noodling around, my iPad is pretty much exactly something I've always wanted. I'm not writing code on it, or tuning databases ... I'm playing games, watching videos, surfing the web. And in a way a netbook would never be appealing to me.

      From the fall of AOL to the rise of iComputing, we had a 12 year golden age where walled gardens were derided, people owned their own devices, and the landscape of the internet formed more or less naturally.

      And, the notion of a walled garden and openness is a political position ... to a lot of people the ease of a well-managed 'walled garden' makes for a pleasant user experience. They have no idea what you're talking about for the most part, they just want to click the pretty buttons.

      To put it in free market terms (which I generally avoid using), the market has decided they like these products. People have exercised their free will and chosen to buy these products.

      You can say it's because these buyers are stupid, or trendy idiots, or smug people in coffee houses with pony tails all you like ... it's awfully hard to argue with the sales figures Jobs drove Apple to with these devices.

      And, contrary to your expectation of objectivity, I must say that subjectively I like the iPods, iTunes, and now iPad progression of nice toys. And, maybe, just maybe, all of these people buying these devices subjectively believe they get value for money.

      At which point you might as well be complaining about Coke vs Pepsi. Because there is no objective criteria, and just because you don't like the product doesn't mean that other people are required to not like it either.

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    21. Re:Lameness by WaywardGeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Jobs, Gates, Torvalds... I've spent a couple of decades slowly coming around to the idea that it's individual leaders who make the real difference, but everyone else who does the real work. Down below a guy is talking about all the brilliant engineers at Apple working 80+ hours per week, and how that's what really counts, and this CEO worship is stupid. Do you think Sun didn't have those guys? Did they fail because they were stupid and lazy?

      The world is far better off for having let Jobs lead. It's not that guys like Jobs are impossible to find, but getting them into places of power where they have permission to change the world... that is impossible to find. Sony had a guy like Jobs, and when he died, it left the music player market wide open for Jobs. The cell phone industry hadn't had a brilliant innovator with permission to make a difference since the Razor. Jobs fixed it. Bill Gates hasn't been a factor at Microsoft for a decade, and Jobs has walked all over them. The world is far better off due to what Jobs accomplished.

      That said, Jobs was an ass hole, who both saved us from the stupidity of failing innovation in several markets, and shacked us with the most oppressive crap ever invented. If you ever wondered why e-books now cost the same everywhere you normally by them, that's 100% pure evil genius, courtesy of Jobs, called the "agency model". Sony is banned from iPads, and GPL 3 software can't even run on any iOS device legally. Jobs arrogance had no bounds. He wanted no less than 30% of every dollar you spend, even if it was on bread. No one knows of any significant charity supported by this man.

      I hope Apple can find a new middle ground going forward that is somewhat innovative and somewhat less evil. However, the great man has passed through the veil, and while I'm not bashing Apple, there's no way their board could possibly let another Jobs take control. My guess is stock price is headed down... however, my stock advice is generally wrong.

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    22. Re:Lameness by mederbil · · Score: 2

      THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!

    23. Re:Lameness by mikael · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Steve Jobs and Woz did work for Atari as technicians.

      Wikipedia has a story on how they were paid to reduce the chip count on some arcade boards. They worked together to create one ASIC to replace 50 logic chips.

      Reading computer magazines between the 1970's and1990's was an experience. Seeing the evolution of computing from home-assembled S-100 boards in the 1970's to Apple ]['s, Apple Mac, NEXT workstations in the early 1990's, hand-held devices like the Newton in the later years.

      How many other people need three separate pages of historical time lines to list all the products that they were involved in designing?

      Time Line of Apple Products

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    24. Re:Lameness by flappinbooger · · Score: 2

      Bravo. Needed to be said. Apple has survived because of Steve Jobs and also in spite of Steve Jobs.

      I don't have a mac or an iphone, but I wouldn't want to live in a world without them.

      RIP.

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    25. Re:Lameness by LocalH · · Score: 2

      That list is inaccurate anyway, it leaves off a whole slew of people. Even just regarding managerial and founding positions, you have Jobs, Wozniak, Gates, Allen, Tramiel, and Bushnell just off the top of my head. I would also include Don French, John Roach, and Steve Leininger of/for Tandy in this list. I would posit that Commodore, Atari, and Tandy had as much to do with "computing for the masses" as did MS and Apple.

      Remember, it's not the "big three", it was really the "big four" - Commodore, Atari, Apple, Tandy - that started out the idea of "computing for the masses". IBM's 5150 PC was designed as a business machine, not primarily as a machine one would have at home (although there were certainly 5150s in homes, I would posit there were far more Apples, Commodores, Ataris, and TRS-80s, even if you only look at one of those four lines).

      Nowhere in this list should Torvalds be included - he's a very intelligent man, and he was a visionary in how he handled Linux in the early days, but the computing industry was already going long before he arrived on the scene, he "merely" helped to popularize FOSS (which is an achievement in itself, by all means). Before the aforementioned people, there really was no such thing as "personal computing", in a practical sense.

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    26. Re:Lameness by Lord+Kano · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think you're misremembering what happened there. Jobs ripped off Woz in that deal. Woz did all of the work and Jobs pocketed most of the money.

      LK

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    27. Re:Lameness by Ixokai · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Leaders are rightly credited with the accomplishments of their team. Apple would be nothing without the "faceless employees", but would just the right faceless employees have come together, and excelled together without him?

      Jobs cultivated a lot of very excellent lieutenants, despite (or because of) his mixture of passion and draconian habits. His lieutenants were very smart people with thoughts and opinions and could argue with him: but they better be right. That's an actual compelling environment for some types of innovative people: not all, certainly. But he gathered together people who seemed to work quite well in it, and even thrived. These, in turn, cultivated their lieutenants, and down through the company. How many companies get bogged down by bureaucracies and middle-management? You don't end up with a company like Apple without leadership from top to bottom: leadership *matters*. As much as any other single factor, I think.

      Jobs has never claimed the one-man-wonder credit certain parts of the press often heaps on him; he has always praised his lieutenants and their teams by name even, publicly. Is there countless others who are not named? Well, of course. But he's always held that it was a team effort, and that the team mattered.

    28. Re:Lameness by jackbird · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Huh? 3D animation was on the desktop long before Jobs had anything to do with Pixar. Imagine 3D, Autodesk 3D Studio, and Lightwave (which started life as part of the Amiga-powered Video Toaster) brought real 3D animation tools to the desktop in the early 90s. While many of the great visionaries who laid the foundations of 3D animation ended up at Pixar, Pixar's Renderman-related patents also arguably held back the industry somewhat.

      And anyway, John Lasseter's genius directorial skills have a great deal more to do with Pixar's longstanding success than anything technological. Cars 2 was the first real dud from the studio after what, 12 features including a trilogy that didn't suck? And the graphics in Red's Dream are 1st-year student work by today's standards (although groundbreaking for the time), but the timing is brilliantly expressive and the script still makes you care about that unicycle 20-something years later.

      Anyway, back on topic - RIP Steve. I never liked using your computers myself, but I liked that they existed and I liked the things other people found easy to do with them.

    29. Re:Lameness by Morty · · Score: 4, Informative

      This reminds me that computing is unique in that a fair number of the pioneers are alive, or were until very recently. My list of major computer names is a lot longer: Alan Turing, Von Neumann, Claude Shannon, Doug Engelbart, Vint Cert, Bob Metcalfe, Ken Olsen, Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak, Bill Gates, Bill Joy, Linus Torvalds, Larry Wall, Guido van Rossum, James Gosling, Grace Hopper, Ken Thompson, Dennis Ritchie, Tim Berners-Lee, John McCarthy. Of those names, quite a few are still alive right now. It's actually possible to travel around and meet them. This is a feature of computing that differentiates it from many other fields. In Math, Physics, Biology, etc., most of your heroes died hundreds of years ago.

    30. Re:Lameness by Lord+Kano · · Score: 4, Informative

      Someone must have sanitized it. Look in the entry for Breakout. Anyway, Woz removed 50 chips from the design and the Jobs was paid $5,000 for the work. Jobs lead Woz to believe that it was a $750 reward, so he gave Woz half of that. In other words, Jobs pocketed $4625 for doing absolutely no work and screwed Woz.

      LK

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    31. Re:Lameness by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Do you think Sun didn't have those guys? Did they fail because they were stupid and lazy?

      I think other companies fail because those people working 80 hour weeks are only paid to create crap.

      Steve Jobs isn't terribly unique. What's unique is Steve Jobs in a position of influence to devote the resources needed to execute said vision.

      A perfect example is something like the iPhone 4s Siri feature. Last week I upgraded to the new version of Windows Phone 7.5 and I was trying out the voice control features. You can say "Text ___" but you can't say "Message ___" or "Send Text To ____"

      I was lamenting how incredibly stupid that was. It even shows that it perfectly understood my message "Send Text To _____" it just was too brain dead stupid to know what that means. It would take one intern an hour to come up with a list of phrases to *hard-code* into the phone for a number of situations and associate basic commands to them.

      "Send Text to____"
      "Message ___"
      "Send a text to _____"
      "SMS ______"
      "Send a Message to ____"

      Regex those suckers and the feature would actually be pretty cool instead of playing "Guess the magic keyword."

      I have to believe (for the sake of my soul) that someone at Microsoft wanted to do that but was *stopped* for some reason from adding the extra 0.5 KBs of synonymous commands for each of the included commands.

      It doesn't take a Steve Jobs visionary--it just takes getting rid of the all of the anti-visionaries who are stopping innovation.

      Another example, I have a Galaxy Tab. When it shipped its keyboard was useless. I don't just mean "bad" I mean useless. Typing a word would result in a 3-5 second delay. That was how it came out of the box. I fixed it by using a different browser or using a different keyboard.

      Who the #)@# ships hundreds of thousands of products but doesn't do something so basic as... I don't know... turn one on and see if the #*^! keyboard works?!

      The reason the ipad has been so successful isn't because it's some genius product--it's because the competition is evidently brain dead.

      Thank God for Steve Jobs or we might not even have 'acceptable' products. He really pushed at least mediocrity on the industry for which we should all be thankful.

    32. Re:Lameness by arth1 · · Score: 2

      Tandy? Radio Shack didn't have much presence outside the US, and "hobby computers" was a much bigger phenomenon in Europe (and later, Japan) than in the US.

      I'd like to mention these:

      Ed Roberts, MITS Altair 8800. Without that machine, Bill Gates' career would never have taken the path it did. Not all that high sales, but it set standards, like the S-100 bus. And it was arguably the main focus of the Homebrew Computer Club, where Jobs and Wozniak (Altair users, of course) joined.

      Sir Clive Sinclair, ZX-80 and ZX-81. (Later rebranded in the US as Timex Sinclair 1000). The ZX-81 was the first truly affordable hobby computer at under $100. In sales, the ZX-81 sold more in the first few months than the TRS-80 sold during its entire life span.

    33. Re:Lameness by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Gates created the IBM PC as much as anyone who worked for IBM.

      I suppose, in a way... His wasn't the only disk operating system. The IBM PC would not have been significantly different without him.

      The choice of MS-DOS and the non-exclusive licensing agreement they signed with Gates did have an effect on the PC-clone market that developed since they could use the exact same operating system.

      However it was Compaq who actually did all the technical work of reverse-engineering the IBM BIOS, and fought the resulting IBM lawsuit, that really enabled the PC-clone market. Gates' shrewd business decision wouldn't have mattered had it not been for that.

      And without that decision, the clones would have used a DOS work-alike and maybe the OS monopoly would never have gotten established. But now I'm just speculating.

      Nevertheless, I can't say Gates did nearly as much to create the PC as either IBM or Compaq.

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    34. Re:Lameness by ppanon · · Score: 2

      Yep. Without Woz there would have been no Apple and Apple ][. Not only did he design the motherboard, write the code in the ROMs, he also designed the floppy controller and produced colour video using tricks that had many other people scratching their heads at how he managed it with so few components. Without the success of the Apple ][, and the business software that eventually was written to work on it (Visicalc; word processing like Magic Window; simple flat databases) it's doubtful that IBM would have entered the market as soon it did. You didn't see a lot of Commodore 64s or Ataris in business environments prior to 1981, but you might come across some Apples. Commodore did have a lot of success with the VIC 20 and C-64, as did Atari with the 400 & 800, but Apple had a big hand in pushing them forward through competition. For starters, if IBM hadn't felt as rushed and had a few more years to put out the PC, they would have had the Moto 68000 as an option and might have gone for that instead.

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    35. Re:Lameness by Divebus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sun did some amazing things, so did a lot of other companies and individuals. The thing Steve Jobs did is make off the shelf technology useful. Ever try to make some random person care about ZFS or Solaris? They couldn't care less. But a music player that held 1,000 songs at high quality and didn't skip when you jogged with it was an innovation. Nobody had put that together like that before. For the next five years, they kept improving the function and form factor of the iPod by orders of magnitude in the face of almost no competition. Anyone can call it "nothing new was invented here" and it wasn't - but nobody ever put so much thought into the product, using slimmer, lightweight materials, menu layouts that made sense without an instruction manual, battery life that mattered and a hundred other things completely absent from anything made by a "competitor". It cost more to make than the other crap but it was worth it, so I wouldn't call it "overpriced". Ok, so maybe I'd want it to be a lot cheaper... but it worked well and I got way more value out of my iPods than any other music player (and I've had a few).

      That brings me to the "stifle competition" statement. Believe it if you like, but I view it as Apple selling something people actually wanted instead of the junkyard class crap getting shoveled out by everyone else. Making something that made anything else on the market look 10 years behind isn't "stifling" competition - it's embarrassing the competitors right out of the market.

      My $0.02

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    36. Re:Lameness by hairyfish · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Who the #)@# ships hundreds of thousands of products but doesn't do something so basic as... I don't know... turn one on and see if the #*^! keyboard works?!

      The reason the ipad has been so successful isn't because it's some genius product--it's because the competition is evidently brain dead.

      Mod up. I've lost count of the number of times I've tried a new product and thought "what the fuck were they thinking". Are Apple and MS the only companies in the world that do user interface testing?

    37. Re:Lameness by localman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Most of what you say is true, however:

          "he either openly ripped most of it off from the Palo Alto Research Center"

      Apple paid Xerox for the tech. You may think they got a good deal, but there was no theft or coercion and Xerox took it. That isn't ripping off.

          "Apple nearly died in the early 90's"

      That is correct, they almost died after Steve was booted. If you don't see how that fact, combined with their mind-blowing recovery after his return, indicates that he was an amazingly effective leader, then you seem to be lacking basic comprehension skills. I'm much more of a technical and creative guy than a leader, so it pains me to say this, but being an effective leader (what Steve did) is a much harder and rarer talent than being technologically proficient or creative. I've known many, many people with amazing minds for technology and creativity. I don't know if I've met _any_ great leaders personally.

      Hate him all you want, he had an impact. Your comments on the stock price indicate a profound misunderstanding of the market. Did you not notice that the stock closed higher today than it was before the iPhone 5 non-announcement? Why would anyone laugh their ass off at meaningless short term market fluctuations unless they were a creepy obsessive trying to feel better about their inability to make sense of the world?

      Good luck, sir. And stay classy.

    38. Re:Lameness by mcvos · · Score: 2

      Being a great leader or CEO isn't about coming up with great ideas, it's about recognizing them.

      This is very true. Who here hasn't had a boss who seemed incapable of recognizing good ideas?

      Though one of Jobs' strengths wasn't just using good ideas from engineers, it was also steering his engineers towards coming up with good ideas that added to a good user experience.

    39. Re:Lameness by scubamage · · Score: 2

      Not to mention Tim Berners-Lee, Alan Turing, Ada Lovelace.

    40. Re:Lameness by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But a music player that held 1,000 songs at high quality and didn't skip when you jogged with it was an innovation.

      Sure, it just wan't Apple's innovation. The day it was released and instantly panned by Taco for not being as good an iRiver has become part of Slashdot lore. Apple's genius was the scroll wheel interface, and perhaps making it easy to rip CDs with iTunes.

      Jobs didn't invent much, he just figured out how to make things easy to use so that consumers would buy them, going right back to their early computers. I'm not saying there wasn't some impressive technology too, but that wasn't his area.

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    41. Re:Lameness by Divebus · · Score: 2

      Point taken... the flip side being nobody else had the vision to launch a slim and capable MP3 player even though all the parts were already sitting there. Buying up all the production runs did more to aid Apple's bottom line. If it also disrupted competition, well, that's their problem. Apple came out of a long period of their competition not feeling sorry for it and they figured out how to beat it.

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    42. Re:Lameness by elrous0 · · Score: 2

      Being a great leader or CEO isn't about coming up with great ideas, it's about recognizing them.

      No, it's about how skilled you are in taking credit for yourself for them, and selling people on your own brilliance. Jobs was, without a doubt, a jedi master in that arena.

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  2. Goodbye by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sent from my iPhone

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    1. Re:Goodbye by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sue you later.

      Sent from my Galaxy S II

    2. Re:Goodbye by A.+B3ttik · · Score: 2

      I remain firmly convinced this is a prelude to proving the iPhone 5 can resurrect the dead.

    3. Re:Goodbye by roc97007 · · Score: 2

      There's an app for that...

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    4. Re:Goodbye by jo_ham · · Score: 3, Funny

      I bet the top execs at Samsung are all shitting themselves now.

      I mean, one of them has to have a copycat death - preferably the one closest to 56 years old.

      RIP Steve.

  3. http://www.apple.com/stevejobs/ by Fireking300 · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:http://www.apple.com/stevejobs/ by Kagura · · Score: 5, Funny

      His final will stated that he be buried in a glossy white coffin with no visible hinges or latches.

      RIP Steve.

    2. Re:http://www.apple.com/stevejobs/ by electron+sponge · · Score: 4, Funny

      His final will stated that he be buried in a glossy white coffin with no visible hinges or latches. RIP Steve.

      with rounded corners

    3. Re:http://www.apple.com/stevejobs/ by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 5, Insightful

      His final will stated that he be buried in a glossy white coffin with no visible hinges or latches. RIP Steve.

      with rounded corners

      Rounded rectangles are everywhere

    4. Re:http://www.apple.com/stevejobs/ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      His final will stated that he be buried in a glossy white coffin with no visible hinges or latches.

      That will guarantee that the Paulbearers "WILL HOLD IT WRONG!!!"

    5. Re:http://www.apple.com/stevejobs/ by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ashes to Ashes.. Dust to Dust. Now would the pallbearers please drag the casket to the trash can*.

      * :)

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    6. Re:http://www.apple.com/stevejobs/ by ArundelCastle · · Score: 4, Funny

      That must be a deprecated version of his will. The new coffin is supposed to be a single piece of curved glass with an aluminum base.

      iRP Steve.

    7. Re:http://www.apple.com/stevejobs/ by airfoobar · · Score: 2

      Don't be sad everybody! Mr Jobs is not dead, he's just moved on to a higher plane of existence. Now he can be downloaded as an app.

    8. Re:http://www.apple.com/stevejobs/ by reboot246 · · Score: 2

      His name wasn't Paul.

    9. Re:http://www.apple.com/stevejobs/ by Totenglocke · · Score: 2

      And it must be the thinnest, lightest coffin on the market.

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    10. Re:http://www.apple.com/stevejobs/ by xenobyte · · Score: 2

      And it will open and close at the touch of a button... THE button... The only one.

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    11. Re:http://www.apple.com/stevejobs/ by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

      Obviously you never had a Mac at that time. Because if you had, you knew why it is done like this and why it is super intuitve, contrarily to your believe.

      Imagine: how do you copy a file from a floppy to another floppy when you have no hard drive and only one floppy drive?

      You insert floppy A, which gets mounted as a disk icon on the desktop. Perhaps you open a document, the disk is now certainly "in use". Now you think that you would like to copy a file from that floppy A to another floppy. So you obviously need to insert that other floppy. What now? You hit Command-E or choose "Eject" from the Finders menu. Floppy A is ejected but its icon remains as a grey icon on the desktop, the open window with its files in is still open, and the document you opened before is still "open", too. In other words: the disk is still mounted but not in the drive.
      Now you insert the floppy B. You have the icon of B on the desktop. You drag files from the ejected floppy (its grey icon, you remember?) to the other floppy. The Finder is asking you to put in the approbriated disks. If the file is to big to fit into memory, or if you copy several files at once, this my be repeated several times.
      In the end you end up with a few floppies that you don't want to be on the desktop anymore. So you "dismount" them. Gray disks, e.g. can simply be thrown away by dropping them into the trash can. But if you still have a file open on that disk, the Finder and the Application using it will not let the disk go but complain (thats a win because you won't forget to save it).
      So finally for your ignorance: dragging a disk that is actually still in the drive to the trash can is a short cut for ejecting + unmounting. To make it perfectly clear to you: no you don't drag it to the trash to eject it, you drag it to the trash to unmount it. However ... I assume 90% of the Apple haters don't knwo what mounting and unmounting means ;D

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  4. I read somewhere... by ArcherB · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Bill Gates put a computer on every desk. Steve Jobs put one in every pocket, purse, dorm room and bedroom.

    His contribution will be sorely missed.

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    1. Re:I read somewhere... by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Informative

      I think you're not giving Jobs enough credit even for the first wave of personal computers. The Apple II was probably the most important step into the world of computers in the home, school and business, moving us from the era of hobbiest kit computer to what we view as the standard computer, keyboard and monitor. Jobs was instrumental in that as well. This is a man, whether you liked him or not or approved of everything he did or not, who was in fact instrumental in a number of steps in the post-1960s computer revolution.

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    2. Re:I read somewhere... by LordLucless · · Score: 2, Insightful

      His contribution will be sorely missed

      No, it won't. He might be sorely missed, but his contribution is still here.

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    3. Re:I read somewhere... by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2

      Hey man, I think you read that wrong. I don't think he's saying that Bill was better or worse. I think he was putting them on the same pedestal.

      I don't think he was aiming for anything disrespectful.

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    4. Re:I read somewhere... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think you're not giving Jobs enough credit even for the first wave of personal computers.

      I think you're not giving Woz enough credit.

      This is a man, whether you liked him or not or approved of everything he did or not, who was in fact instrumental in a number of steps in the post-1960s computer revolution.

      Although Jobs had his part, it was Woz that designed the first two generations of apple computers himself.

      I'm not trying to make light of this death, but the engineers behind all the devices are still alive.

    5. Re:I read somewhere... by Osgeld · · Score: 2

      The apple 2 was nearly 6 years old when the C64 was released
      The apple 2 was nearly 5 years old when the TI99, Acorn, and Sinclair was released
      The apple 2 was nearly 2 years old when the Atari 400/800 was released

      The apple II even beats the trash80 by a couple months

    6. Re:I read somewhere... by iMaple · · Score: 4, Informative
      Bill Gates respects and misses him too http://allthingsd.com/20111005/bill-gates-i-will-miss-steve-immensely/

      I'm truly saddened to learn of Steve Jobs' death. Melinda and I extend our sincere condolences to his family and friends, and to everyone Steve has touched through his work. Steve and I first met nearly 30 years ago, and have been colleagues, competitors and friends over the course of more than half our lives. The world rarely sees someone who has had the profound impact Steve has had, the effects of which will be felt for many generations to come. For those of us lucky enough to get to work with him, it's been an insanely great honor. I will miss Steve immensely.

    7. Re:I read somewhere... by EdIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My 2nd computer was an Apple II. My first was a Commodore 64.

      I never cared much for Apple..... or Microsoft. Despite my disagreements that have mostly to do with privacy, hardware ownership, walled gardens, and perpetual live unpaid beta testing (Microsoft you...) the fact remains that without Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, The Woz all of us geeks would be enjoying a world that is far far less cool than it is.

      Those men made technology cool. If it were not for them, there were would be near infinitely less hot blondes that needed their computer fixed. Consider that :)

      I can't say I ever agreed with Steve much on his approach, but I will always be deeply awed and respectful by just how much he helped change the world. He truly was a genius at what he did.

      At Stanford in 2005:

      Your work is going to fill a large part of your life, and the only way to be truly satisfied is to do what you believe is great work. And the only way to do great work is to love what you do.

      R.I.P

    8. Re:I read somewhere... by Raenex · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Somebody like Woz needed somebody like Jobs to reach the masses, at least before the Internet came around. He wasn't just "design and marketing", though those are areas are extremely important. He was also the guy who had a vision for a consumer product and brought the company to fruition. Woz was never going to do that on his own.

      It's not just Jobs, and it's not just Woz. They were a team.

    9. Re:I read somewhere... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Woz would still be doing what his boss at HP told him to do if it wasn't for Steve.

    10. Re:I read somewhere... by Solandri · · Score: 2

      I think you're not giving Jobs enough credit even for the first wave of personal computers.

      I think you're not giving Woz enough credit.

      Although Jobs had his part, it was Woz that designed the first two generations of apple computers himself.

      (I am an engineer.) Most engineers who found their first company go bankrupt because they think a product will sell on its technical merits alone. They eschew marketing, considering marketers to be liars who sell through deception. The ones who succeed do so after figuring out that a successful company needs a combination of good engineering and good marketing.

      Woz was the engineering genius. Jobs was the marketing genius. Without each other, they both likely would've ended up mere footnotes in history.

    11. Re:I read somewhere... by xero314 · · Score: 2

      I think you're not giving Jobs enough credit even for the first wave of personal computers.

      Not to down play Jobs importance in the personal computing revolution, but the name you are looking for is Chuck Peddle. Without Chuck Peddle's inovation in manufacturing cheap microprocessors there would have been no Apple to begin with. Chuck was also the head of engineering behind the first personal computer to sell 1 million units and the best selling personal computer of all times.

      Now what Jobs did in his later years was truly remarkable. He turned computing devices into a status symbol. You might not think that is significant, but there would be a lot less computing devices around if it was not for that.

    12. Re:I read somewhere... by leptons · · Score: 2

      The Apple II was not 'the most important step into the world of comptuers in the home, school and business', not at all really, this is just stupid. Commodore far out-shined Apple in bringing computers to the masses. The early apple computers were way overpriced compared to their competition (and they had plenty of competition), much like their later models. The commodore 64 was the best selling computer model of all time. Apple were one of many, and not even the most prolific. Apple computers still hover around only 10% market share. Saying all this stuff to aggrandize apple because stevie is dead is just lame. I love my iPad, but really, all this over-the-top praise of a dead businessman is making me a bit nauseous.

    13. Re:I read somewhere... by nine-times · · Score: 2

      I think it should also be recognized that Jobs relentlessly pursued the idea that computers should be able to be used by normal people, that computers should not be frustrating, and that computers can be tools for making beautiful things and not just utilitarian things. At various times in the history of personal computing, Jobs pushed these ideas forward in ways that changed the direction of the industry.

      So we can argue whether Windows is better than OSX or whether Android phones are better than iPhones, but without Apple (and Jobs) pushing the idea that computers should be easy to use and that they should be beautiful, it's unlikely that Windows and Android would be as good as they are.

    14. Re:I read somewhere... by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      What are you talking about? The only computer Commodore had out when the Apple II was released was the PET, which, beyond a few educational institutions, had almost no penetration at all. Commodore didn't begin dominating the market until the early 1980s.

      The major systems available around the same time as the Apple II were the Commodore PET and the TRS-80 Model I, but for those first years, Apple had the dominant platform. A lot of computer historians over the years have pointed out that the Apple II with Visicalc pretty much created the notion of microcomputer as a small business machine.

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    15. Re:I read somewhere... by epine · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The Apple II had a forty column display of upper case only, which made it well suited neither for programming nor word processing. The TRS-80 had 64 columns, but no lower case, either; despite the font ROM having these characters, the video memory was organized as 1Kx7 bits, to save a single 1024x1 memory chip. Early versions of the Commodore Pet were also limited to 40 columns.

      The Apple III has a proper 80 column display, but it also had bank switched memory, and did not become successful.

      The early success of the IBM PC was in large measure driven by providing a decent keyboard and monitor, which I regard as ergonomic virtues. It certainly wasn't sold on performance.

      I purchased a fat Mac with dual floppies which I soon regretted. Trying to run a compiler, it would constantly request a floppy by ejecting the floppy it would immediately need next. I'd have to push that one back in and paperclip the other one (or was there a keystroke if I was feeling less bitter?) The hard drive upgrade was prohibitively expensive, so I purchased a beige crap-box with a 20MB hard drive, and finally managed to write some code without being in a constant state of exasperation.

      Jobs was brilliant at marketing, but I never felt Apple lead the market in technical innovation. Mac OS had tragic memory management for years and years. For everything they got right, they got another thing wrong.

      What Jobs had was the vision to define the customer's aspirations. All these aspirated customers go around redefining history, but what can you do?

      Moore's law more or less dictates that innovation follows a straight line (e.g. the slow adoption of adequate displays). The person who gets to claim the innovation is whichever sales guy is good at getting the customer to buy a more expensive machine before others can afford it. The real innovation took place--in almost every case--in the context of designs that hardly anyone could yet afford.

      His real genius for innovation didn't emerge until devices became a lot less expensive.

    16. Re:I read somewhere... by bronney · · Score: 2

      Those men made technology cool. If it were not for them, there were would be near infinitely less hot blondes that needed their computer fixed. Consider that :)

      The damn thing is, he made computers that don't break and don't need fixing... *RAGE* But yeah, RIP Steve-o :D Always thought apple is pretentious and gay until I got my first iPod Touch. Changed my life.

    17. Re:I read somewhere... by SteeldrivingJon · · Score: 2

      Woz would probably have been happy if the Apple Computer had remained at roughly the Apple 1 "some assembly required" stage of development.

      Woz may have designed the hardware, and done a fantastic job, but I expect it was Jobs who pushed to give it the polish and ease-of-use necessary to make it work as a product for people who don't know how to solder.

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    18. Re:I read somewhere... by RogerWilco · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yeah, but I think Jobs proved that it's not just the engineers that make a product a success.

      I think Jobs brilliance was in steering brilliant engineers to make something non-engineers can understand and use.

      Engineers left to their own devices will give you Linux and BSD, but Jobs could get them to make OSX.

      An engineer will give you an IBM PC, Jobs had the vision to have them make a Mac.

      An engineer will give you an Alienware, Steve got us the iMac.

      An engineer will give you fixed font, Steve thought text should look good.

      iRiver vs. iPod, Windows Mobile vs. iOS, iPAQ vs. iPhone, PirateBay vs. iTunes, netbook vs. iPad, the list goes on...

      What Steve was good at, is getting some brilliant engineers together, and have them make something that my grandmother and my 3 year old kid would be able to use almost intuitively.

      He will be missed, because ow the engineers will take over again. (I'm one of them).

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    19. Re:I read somewhere... by laird · · Score: 3, Informative

      Good point. But while I think that Woz is a brilliant engineer (his Apple ][ floppy disk controller made personal computers feasible), there are great engineers at all sorts of companies, and very few companies that can have a clear, unified vision and execute on it. So as much as I admire Woz, it was Jobs that had the vision and the drive to take Woz' technical brilliance, Ives' industrial design, etc., and drive them to produce brilliant products.

  5. RIP Steve Jobs by crafty.munchkin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Thank you for giving people something to be smug about, no matter what side of the argument they are on.

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    1. Re:RIP Steve Jobs by ACS+Solver · · Score: 2

      Sad news. I don't own Apple products and the last time I used one, there was no OS X yet, but I have a deep respect for Jobs. I admire his spirit, his constant desire and drive to innovate and push things forward, and his efforts in making technology more accessible.

      So RIP Steve Jobs, a man with profound impact on personal computing.

  6. I recommend people read this blog by EkriirkE · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you haven't already, filter through http://folklore.org/ , his antics at the beginning of Apple are hilarious.

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    1. Re:I recommend people read this blog by Niris · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Watch Pirates of Silicon Valley, too. Good flick, and a fair amount of background on Jobs' early years.

    2. Re:I recommend people read this blog by Uberbah · · Score: 2

      While remembering that Xerox got paid....a little detail left out of the movie for dramatic purposes.

    3. Re:I recommend people read this blog by Deus.1.01 · · Score: 2

      After that, get the three part documentary "Triumph of the nerds".

      Sometimes i run it in the background for some hacker inspiration while I'm coding.

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  7. RIP by flosofl · · Score: 2

    RIP, Steve. Love or hate you, you definitely made a huge impact on the tech industry.

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  8. RIP by danbuter · · Score: 2, Interesting

    While I'm not a fan of Apple's business practices, Steve made a lot of advances in technology. RIP.

  9. Sad day by schnikies79 · · Score: 2

    :(

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  10. RIP Steve. by bartyboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Also, if CmdrTaco's trend continues, tomorrow will be a very bad day for him.

  11. What he took away is more precious than given by unity100 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He brought user friendliness, usability concepts to top of the pile, and caused computer technology to go for more style, but what he did with locking in his customers, limiting their freedoms and then making enormous profits over these, has caused almost all other companies to follow the same style. now every company, even google, is trying to lock in people to things so that they can cash-cow them. imagine how internet would be if it was limited to 10-15 companies and their app stores, estores, media stores etc from the start.

    unfortunately, due to what he did, this is the direction the movers and shakers of the information technology are taking.

    talk about the openness, freedom of apple at the starting stages, and talk about after jobs. i wonder if the other steve can turn things around and make apple more in line with the spirit of information technology freedom and progress again ...

    1. Re:What he took away is more precious than given by electron+sponge · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He brought user friendliness, usability concepts to top of the pile, and caused computer technology to go for more style, but what he did with locking in his customers, limiting their freedoms and then making enormous profits over these, has caused almost all other companies to follow the same style. now every company, even google, is trying to lock in people to things so that they can cash-cow them. imagine how internet would be if it was limited to 10-15 companies and their app stores, estores, media stores etc from the start. unfortunately, due to what he did, this is the direction the movers and shakers of the information technology are taking. talk about the openness, freedom of apple at the starting stages, and talk about after jobs. i wonder if the other steve can turn things around and make apple more in line with the spirit of information technology freedom and progress again ...

      I hate to dance on a grave. So, I won't. His family and friends are saddened today, and I would offer condolences.

      But the Apple model is not one we want to have replicated - and it is being replicated. In 20 years will we mourn Jobs or curse him? A brilliant man, there is no doubt. Walled gardens do us no favors.

    2. Re:What he took away is more precious than given by peragrin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Gardens don't like walls. either you control it to tightly and everything whither and dies, or you let it loose and it over grows beyond real control.

      maintaining a perfect balance for any length of time is extremely difficult. Apple's controls will either be ripped away from them, or they will control it to tightly and it will whither. All it takes is time. It has been 4 years and the competition is just really catching up. In another 5 we shall see.

      All that said steve's push for usable interfaces pushed computing technology in directions that no other manufacturer dared to go. For that alone he will be missed.

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    3. Re:What he took away is more precious than given by geekoid · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sigh, not true. They all have based things off each other. Android has many features before the iPhone. It still has feature the iPhone doesn't.

      If you want a single group top point at about computers, point to Xerox PARC
      How soon people for get the MS wrote software for Apple.well, a guess a couple of decades isn't soon, but still.

      MS and Apple where working on the GUI at the same time. Apple release a few months earlier.

      It's like me saying Apple copied MS because the went to a hierarchical structure after 1985. That would, of course, be misleading at the best.

      At that time, Gates, Jobs, Woz were all in communication, and all pretty much reading the same stuff and talking to the same people.

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    4. Re:What he took away is more precious than given by PhunkySchtuff · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Walled gardens do us no favors.

      I don't know about you, but I kind of like not having to worry about running malware scanners on my phone.

    5. Re:What he took away is more precious than given by CannonballHead · · Score: 2, Informative

      While I agree that Jobs was apparently a good CEO and realize that many people love Apple products...

      The history of Windows dates back to September 1981, when Chase Bishop, a computer scientist, designed the first model of an electronic device and project "Interface Manager" was started. It was announced in November 1983 (after the Apple Lisa, but before the Macintosh) under the name "Windows", but Windows 1.0 was not released until November 1985.

      (wikipedia article on Windows)

      And from the wikipedia article on the X windows system:

      Several bitmap display systems preceded X. From Xerox came the Alto (1973) and the Star (1981). From Apollo Computer came Display Manager (1981). From Apple came the Lisa (1983) and the Macintosh (1984). The Unix world had the Andrew Project (1982) and Rob Pike's Blit terminal (1982).

      .

      The whole "who came up with the idea of "windows" in a GUI" argument can get rather frustrating. It appears that the real first was the Xerox Alto and the Xeros Star back in 1973:

      The Xerox Alto (and later Xerox Star ) was an early personal computer developed at Xerox PARC in 1973. It was the first computer to use the desktop metaphor and mouse-driven graphical user interface (GUI).

      It was not a commercial product, but several thousand units were built and were heavily used at PARC, other Xerox facilities, and at several universities for many years. The Alto greatly influenced the design of personal computers in the following decades, notably the Apple Macintosh and the first Sun workstations.

    6. Re:What he took away is more precious than given by rapidreload · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't know about you, but I kind of like not having to worry about running malware scanners [google.com.au] on my phone.

      Agreed.

      I used to have an idealistic belief that the walled garden was a bad thing too, that user convenience and security should not take precident over a locked-down infrastructure. But as I've gotten older that belief has withered away. People have clearly shown they LIKE the walled garden because it makes things the experience ultimately less painful, and more enjoyable. People seem to prefer a walled garden environment, and companies like Apple are gladly going to give them what they want. Geeks prefer the open environment but as it turns out, the benefits aren't substantial enough to negate all the other problems.

      Steve Jobs knew what he was doing, and Apple succeeded because of the fact he didn't believe the die-hard geeks were worth listening to. Sometimes it's important to realize geeks don't understand what normal people want in technology.

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    7. Re:What he took away is more precious than given by evil_aaronm · · Score: 2

      WTF are you on about? IBM, HP and many others tried for far more "vendor lock-in" than Apple. I got tons of Apple gear, but I'm not locked into Apple at all. I could take my data off of my MacBook Pro and use it just as well on a Linux or Win box. In fact, I store a large portion of my data on both Windows partitions and Solaris partitions, and that data is used by other users on both platforms. How is that locking me in?

    8. Re:What he took away is more precious than given by ScottyLad · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Sometimes it's important to realize geeks don't understand what normal people want in technology.

      This is an important point which is often overlooked in technology discussion forums such as this one.

      Steve's genius was in predicting the things nobody thought they wanted until he showed it to them. "You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them," he once said. "By the time you get it built, they'll want something new."

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    9. Re:What he took away is more precious than given by sootman · · Score: 2

      Yeah, because nobody tried to lock in customers before Apple.

      There is always a yin and a yang, a back and forth, an up and down, everywhere. You might see iDevices as a low point in the cycle but they are not the first step on the road towards the end of computing freedom. Apple has done plenty of stuff in the open direction, too. Putting a rather open, very-tinkerable UNIX on tens of millions of desktops? WebKit? Thoughts on music? Thoughts on Flash? All the work they did to make Web apps as close to first-class citizens as possible on mobile devices?

      No one is perfect, but I think (and I think history will show) that he gave a LOT more than he took.

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    10. Re:What he took away is more precious than given by The+Conductor · · Score: 2

      That is sort of the crux though. Steve Jobs takes things out: the SD slot, the keyboard, the command prompt, the floppy drive. Taking stuff out makes it possible to simplfy the user interface. If anyone else did this, the product would fail in the market for being feature-poor, but he could get away with it because he was trusted (by some, not all) to do it well. Granted, some of the stuff Jobs took out should have been left in, the lack of fan on the early Macs comes to mind. That is the charisma, the RDF, or maybe just street cred for having introduced the Mac. Whatever it is, it accrued to him personally, not to Apple as an organization which went adrift whae he was gone.

      That also explains the stupid holy wars that surround Apple:

      • Look at Apple's new product! It is so innovative and easy to use! (Because he took stuff out and simplified)
      • It is not innovative! Everything there was already done by others. (True, but that is not what makes it easy to use)
      • Apple's stuff is merely a toy! (It is lacking certain features, but that is the price of simplicity. You are not the intended market.)
      • Apple is an industry leader! Everyone copies them! (Now everyone else can take those things out without being accused of being feature-poor.)
    11. Re:What he took away is more precious than given by rapidreload · · Score: 2

      The removal of stuff is a mixed bag. To do it successfully requires one to be very careful about what you're removing and why, as well as having something to replace that lost functionality if it's still important. Steve got rid of the floppy drive - this didn't matter since removable media turned to flash drives. Was the move to flash media pushed by the loss of the floppy drive? I don't know if Apple had much influence to spurn the replacement, but maybe Steve Jobs had enough insight to realize floppies were dead and some form of removable media was going to flourish soon enough anyway.

      GNOME has tried (and continues to try) the Apple approach of removing stuff to make things easier, but in my experience the GNOME team removes too MUCH stuff without some kind of replacement. They haven't learnt the reasons *why* stuff is removed, they just copy Apple's approach without knowing why, except that if Apple does it, maybe GNOME will benefit by copying said approach.

      I try to avoid operating system/browser/editor/tech holy wars these days. They don't achieve much because the few posters who post good, well articulated and balanced views with accurate information end up completely ignored by others in the battle to rage louder than the next guy.

      Oh, and Steve definitely had charisma, that's for sure.

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    12. Re:What he took away is more precious than given by jo_ham · · Score: 2

      Yes, that's fine - geeks and "normal" people want different things. Where it gets iffy is when geeks say "What Apple is doing is evil! Burn them!" because they don't agree with how they're doing it, or they categorise people who use Apple products as clueless sheep with no intelligence or mind of their own because they don;t want the same things out of technology as the geeks do.

      That viewpoint is rife around here, and it's extremely short sighted and arrogant. It also creates the incredulity that Apple can be doing so well making "inferior" products - such that they scramble about for an explanation and blame it entirely on marketing or "cult status".

      Somehow they miss the Occam's Razor explanation that Apple are making products that many people want to buy, not because they've been brainwashed into it, but because their products actually offer an experience and features that they want!

      To swing it away from computers and use the inevitable car analogy, it's the tale of two cars - one that comes as a kit (although you bought it ready assembled, it's designed to be easy to mess with and alter etc), and one that was factory assembled with limited emphasis put on home modification. Some people want the former, some people want the latter. What I don't see is people in the former group questioning the intelligence, sexuality and social standing of those in the latter group. Sometimes you just want a car, you know?

  12. Re:RIP by willie3204 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    At times like this it is best to remember the good contributions from a man who provided so much to our industry. Thank you Steve wherever you are now

  13. Bummer, and that's no exaggeration by milbournosphere · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You may disagree with his ideologies, but you have to admit that he changed the world we live in. Allow me to hold up my glass and tip my hat to a man to made the world just a little bit better.

  14. Battery? by jmac_the_man · · Score: 2, Interesting
    If only he had a user replacable battery.

    jk...I'm not a big fan of his company, but RIP.

  15. Some interesting insights by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 4, Informative

    Some inspirational speeches
    "Focus is not about saying Yes, but about saying No"
    http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-jobs-1997-video-2011-6

    Steve Jobs' 2005 Stanford Commencement Address
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF8uR6Z6KLc

    âoeThis was a very typical time. I was single. All you needed was a cup of tea, a light, and your stereo, you know, and thatâ(TM)s what I had.â ...Steve Jobs, at home in 1982.
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/pacman3000/4042368287/

  16. Gone too soon. by ethoxyethaan · · Score: 3, Funny

    The IPhone 4S announcement must have hit him really hard.

    1. Re:Gone too soon. by Macgrrl · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe the "S" stands for "Steve".

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  17. Here's to the crazy ones. by bheer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes.

    The ones who see things differently. They're not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them.

    About the only thing you can't do is ignore them. Because they change things. They invent. They imagine. They heal. They explore. They create. They inspire. They push the human race forward.

    Maybe they have to be crazy.

    How else can you stare at an empty canvas and see a work of art? Or sit in silence and hear a song that's never been written? Or gaze at a red planet and see a laboratory on wheels?

    ====

    The reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. --George Bernard Shaw

    ====

    Goodbye Steve, and thanks for everything. Even the stuff I hated.

    1. Re:Here's to the crazy ones. by Stormwatch · · Score: 4, Informative

      Here's the complete version:

      - - -

      Here's to the crazy ones.
              The misfits.
                      The rebels.
                              The troublemakers.
                                      The round pegs in the square holes.
      The ones who see things differently.

      They're not fond of rules.
              And they have no respect for the status quo.

      You can praise them, disagree with them, quote them,
              disbelieve them, glorify them or vilify them.
      About the only thing you can't do is ignore them.

      Because they change things.
              They invent. They imagine. They heal.
              They explore. They create. They inspire.
      They push the human race forward.

      Maybe they have to be crazy.
      How else can you stare at an empty canvas and see a work of art?
              Or sit in silence and hear a song that's never been written?
      Or gaze at a red planet and see a laboratory on wheels?

      We make tools for these kinds of people.
      Because while some see them as the crazy ones, we see genius.

      And it's the people who are crazy enough to think they can
      change the world who actually do.

    2. Re:Here's to the crazy ones. by Third+Position · · Score: 2

      Truly tragic, but not really unexpected. When he stepped down from Apple you had to believe there was something critical going on behind the scenes. He wasn't the kind of guy who would have walked away if he'd had any other choice.

      RIP Steve.

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  18. Thank you for inspiring us... by SixDimensionalArray · · Score: 3, Informative

    Thank you for inspiring millions and helping make some really cool dreams into realities.

  19. iSad by xjerky · · Score: 4, Informative

    'Nuff Said.

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  20. God Damn It All by gelfling · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Damn it all

  21. RIP Steve. by Deathlizard · · Score: 2

    I'll be honest. I've never been a fan of Apple products, But I have and will always be a fan of Steve Jobs.

    The man was truly one of the last great manager's and CEO's of American Business. Competitive to the end, Dedicated to the end, and capable of pushing people to their absolute limits for better or for worse to the point that something insanely great gets produced.

  22. Re:RIP by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Informative

    Everything builds on everything else. He was instrumental in the Apple II, and that was, no matter what anybody may say, a titanic shift in the manufacture, marketing and public perception of the computer.

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  23. Can we have Woz back now? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Can we have Woz back in charge now?

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    1. Re:Can we have Woz back now? by unity100 · · Score: 2

      yes.

    2. Re:Can we have Woz back now? by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 3, Informative

      The guy freely acknowledges he can't run a company nor does he want to, that's why Apple is a story of 2 Steves instead of 1.

      "I designed the computers just to do it and show the world that it could be done and help them happen. Later Steve Jobs suggested starting a company to make money from it. I'd been giving out schematics for free at the Homebrew Computer Club. That's what I believed in. It was hard for me to even start the company when it looked like there might be real money in it." - Woz

      "Steve and I are very different. Mainly, I want to be an engineer and make neat things for my own fun, forever. I told Steve and Mike Markkula that I wouldn't expand Apple into a real company because I had to quit HP (I'd designed all the Apple stuff moonlighting for a year!). I loved HP. But I finally realized that I could do it and not have to run it. From the start, Steve wanted to run a company and learn the ways to. " - Woz

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  24. Cause of death? by caywen · · Score: 2

    The immediate cause of death wasn't made clear, but this is immensely sad news for me. I have a friend who has recently been diagnosed with the same type of (rare) pancreatic cancer. Jobs' version of the cancer is supposed to be more treatable, and he wouldn't have lived as long as he did had he the more common, deadly form. I had hoped that he would survive longer.

    1. Re:Cause of death? by pclminion · · Score: 2

      I recently lost a coworker to the same disease. Obviously I didn't know Steve Jobs at all, but it still feels like another body blow. Fuck cancer. Stupid piece of shit buggy firmware is what we have there. Hopefully my friend is now chatting it up with Steve somewhere non-corporeal.

  25. Re:He was not 'found' dead! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    11.09am: Steve Jobs's family has released a statement:

    Mr Jobs "died peacefully today surrounded by his family ... We know many of you will mourn with us, and we ask that you respect our privacy during our time of grief."

  26. Re:WTF, this story on homepage, really? by cfoushee · · Score: 2

    I came to Slashdot specifically to read about it because I wanted to among friends that would pay their respect to Jobs from the point of view of geeks/nerds. So, yea I think this is exactly what Slashdot is here for and I would have felt an emptiness had it not been here. I am all broken up about his passing. No, I didn't know him personally, but I do want pay may respect to his obvious contributions to our lives and our community.

  27. Re:And Thus Spoketh The Lord by Fned · · Score: 2

    "Holde it juste exactlie thisse waye or yon WiFi will take a shite."

  28. This morning? by ktappe · · Score: 2

    I'm seeing nothing in any story including the CNN one linked to that says he was "found dead in his home this morning". Seems dubious.

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  29. RIP steve. by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 2

    âZ"No one wants to die. Even people who want to go to heaven don't want to die to get there. And yet, death is the destination we all share. No one has ever escaped it, and that is how it should be, because death is very likely the single best invention of life. It's life's change agent. It clears out the old to make way for the new."

    I wish I was more in tune with his philosophy earlier on in life. When I was a teenager, I really could've fucking used it.

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  30. Very sad news. by Gavin+Scott · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I never met him in person, but for a while my company leased space in an Apple-owned building on Valley Green Drive, and Steve would frequently walk past my window on the sidewalk on his way back and forth from HQ to various buildings on VGD (which tended to have all the windows covered up or painted black). He would just be walking alone without any entourage or anything, at a time when Carly was running HP and seemingly couldn't leave her office without press followers, support staff, security detail with automatic weapons, and a helicopter.

    I can't imagine how much different (and for the worse) the history of the last thirty years of computing would have been without him.

    He will be greatly missed by friends and foes alike.

    G.

  31. he was an idea man (even if taken from PARC) by k6mfw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Steve saw the future of computers from the mouse/windows concept those guys at Xerox PARC developed. He pushed to bring that kind of IO into the markets beginning with LISA. It bombed but he still had the vision so Steve wouldn't give up and brought out the Mac. Say what you want (many called him a AH) but like other visionaries they don't care what others think (good thing he didn't do a market survey of what computers should be, i.e. if Henry Ford did one, people would ask for a faster horse). If not for Steve (and others working 24/7/365) the IO many of us use on computers will probably still sitting in some building at an unknown address in Palo Alto. Then there's the iphone, etc....

    I could not help but noticed the tagline on bottom of /. "Man's reach must exceed his grasp, for why else the heavens?"

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  32. Classic headline by goldspider · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well-played Subby!

    Are Stephen King and Alan Thicke still OK?

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  33. Re:I hate Apple by geekoid · · Score: 2

    Suck it up Severus.

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  34. Thank you sir by dasspunk · · Score: 2

    It was a pleasure to work for you...

  35. This is also by mario_grgic · · Score: 3, Informative

    text on the TextEdit app icon on every Mac OS X installation :D.

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  36. Thanks, Jobs by JBMcB · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was ten years old. After wearing out a Timex Sinclair 1000 and a VIC-20, my dad took me to the computer shop to pick out a new one. They all looked cool and incredibly complex - the TI/99 with it's bizarre cartridge slot, the Apple II with it's strange ribbon cables coming out of the back (sorry Woz) the Atari 400 with it's horrid keyboard, the clunky PC with it's austere green display.

    Then there was the Macintosh. It made the other machines look like junk. It had real fonts. It had *graphics*. It could make sounds other than a harsh piezoelectric bleep. You looked at it and could figure out how to get something done. My dad saved up and pulled a deal from a friend, and my early Christmas (and birthday and second Christmas) present that year was a shiny new beige Macintosh 512K with a wide-carriage Imagewriter and external floppy drive. Using it felt like you were using something from Star Trek. I learned how to touch type doing papers on that thing. I learned how to program using Microsoft Basic, then Metrowerks Pascal. I took it to Heathkit and had it upgraded to a 512KE with an enormous 800k drive. While there I drooled over the completely maxed-out Mac II with color ImageWriter II, LaserWriter II, dual 1.44MB floppies, a stack of SCSI drives (40MB HD, tape backup, and CD-ROM) and every desk accessory known to man loaded and ready to go. I finally retired it when I got a job out of high school and saved up enough to buy a PowerMac 6100/60, which I still have, and still works. Since then I've gotten into DIY, building my own PC compatables to experiment with Windows, Linux, Inferno, BeOS, and OS/2. Then I needed a PC at home to run all the development environments I had to learn for work. But I still have a soft spot for the elegance and simplicity of Mac hardware and software.

    Thanks, Jobs, for pushing computer design forward on all fronts - from UI design to standardizing iconography used for ports, and forcing everyone else to at least attempt to be as innovative. I think, for my next computer, I'm retiring the water cooled behemoth running Windows 7 under my desk, and buying a Macbook Air.

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    1. Re:Thanks, Jobs by JBMcB · · Score: 2

      You mean this?

      http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b3/Amiga_Workbench_1_0.png

      The Amiga was a technically superior machine in many respects. Too bad the UI looked like arse.

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  37. One Last Thing by medcalf · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Jobs made life better for millions of people. The world was inarguably a better place for his having lived. What higher praise could there be than that?

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  38. Re:He was not 'found' dead! by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Informative

    Nowhere in the actual story does it say that Jobs was 'found' dead... yet somehow that's what the summary says.

    The wording of the summary is a paraphrase of a long-running Slashdot meme. Just a little gallows humor for us old-timers.

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  39. Re:He'll be back again... by caitsith01 · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...he's a Buddhist.

    In unrelated news, a squirrel in Central Park was this morning observed to be installing small devices on acorns which prevented other squirrels from eating those acorns without permission. The squirrel was quoted as saying that it wished to "streamline the acorn experience" for other squirrels in order to remove the "distraction" of being able to eat acorns however they wanted to.

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  40. Re:He was not 'found' dead! by sootman · · Score: 5, Funny

    Also, he didn't live in Cupertino.

    Slashdot is sending him away the only way they know how... inaccurately.

    But hey, I was half expecting "No pulse. Less respiration than Ellison. Lame."

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  41. Re:On the other hand... by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 2

    I don't think that having recently died should preclude criticism of what a person did while alive

    However, the comments on the story announcing his death is not the place for it.

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  42. Re:He was not 'found' dead! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's the phrasing from a 2002 era troll, if not earlier. (the mid-2001 references Google has seem to be replies to deleted posts.)

    Context:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kadin2048/Slashdot_Trolling_Phenomena#Stephen_King_is_dead

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=41759&cid=4414746

  43. you just do not fucking get it by decora · · Score: 2

    steve wozniak: "hey check out this l33t floppy drive controller i made! sweet eh?"

    steve jobs: "we can sell this"

    ordinary people: "i did this on my mac. no, i didnt need an $8,000 workstation"

    school children: "fd 40; rt 80; fd 40; lt 80;"

  44. Re:RIP by EdIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At times like this it is best to remember the good contributions from a man who provided so much to our industry. Thank you Steve wherever you are now

    I would say helped create our industry. Both Jobs and Gates were instrumental in showing the world what was possible with computing. I sincerely doubt there would even be an Internet without them. Geeks would not be the new coolness, or at least in such demand, and I truly have no idea what computing would be like.

    I have been with computing from the start of it and can honestly say that despite all the faults of both Microsoft and Apple, the entire industry was spawned by those two men and the groups of people they led.

    Everybody else was just a 3rd party vendor.

    Seriously... try to imagine an alternate reality where neither Apple or Microsoft existed. Who was going to create our industry the way that it is?

    IBM? I sincerely doubt it. They would have never believed in personal computing, or that there could even be personal computing. Computers would still be AS400 mainframes to this day most likely.

  45. Re:RIP by bug1 · · Score: 2

    "All technology is built off the shoulders of giants. Innovation is usually a process of small steps on uncharted terrain, and very seldom giant leaps over mountains."

    It would nice if Apple acknowledged the shoulders it has stood on.

    e.g. The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio_PMP300 by Diamond multimedia was the first commercially successful portable mp3 player, release in 98. In contrast, the iPod was released three years later in 2001.

    The designers of the RIO got no credit for being innovative, but they did get recognition from the RIAA, who sued them.

    The ipod three years later got all sorts of awards for being an innovative _product_, however the most innovative thing about it was the fact they managed to do a deal with the RIAA and sell music online.

    Another example would be Mac OSX being based on BSD.

    I agree with you he was a visionary, he influenced the world in ways nobody else had (or is likely too), but while praising him for what he was. We shouldnâ(TM)t give him credit for what others did.

  46. Vision vs. Engineering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think you're not giving Jobs enough credit even for the first wave of personal computers.

    I think you're not giving Woz enough credit.

    This is a man, whether you liked him or not or approved of everything he did or not, who was in fact instrumental in a number of steps in the post-1960s computer revolution.

    Although Jobs had his part, it was Woz that designed the first two generations of apple computers himself.

    I'm not trying to make light of this death, but the engineers behind all the devices are still alive.

    So? He was an engineer. And he did a damn awesome job of it, too. Without Woz, early PCs might have taken longer to bring to market; they would have had more chips and would have cost more because of it. It probably would have taken an army of engineers to build what Woz did.

    But the world has armies and armies of engineers.

    On the other hand Steve Jobs, more than anyone, realized that computers could be made into consumer appliances that every housewife, artist, author, schoolchild and, yes, hipster would want to own. The design and marketing of computers and smartphones to ordinary people, not just businesspeople or techies.

    Woz without Jobs would have been happy to stay in his garage and solder. Linus Torvalds would probably still have been inspired to create an open-source OS for geeks to play with and build upon. Bill Gates would have gone ahead and put business machines on the desks of every cubicle drone in the corporate world. But without Steve Jobs, personal computers would never have become personal.

    Much of Slashdot hates him for this, of course. They hate the lack of choice, the warm and fuzzy design, the drool-proof UI and the high prices. But what they really hate is that he took this wonderful world of powerful technology, a world where they are kings, and turned the keys over to the unwashed masses of housewives, schoolkids, artists, and, yes, hipsters.

  47. Re:Jeopardy by rsborg · · Score: 2

    Sad new about Jobs. But I sure as hell didn't need ABC to break into the middle of the Double Jeopardy round and give me a fucking seven-minute retrospective of his career, hailing him as the god of all modern technology.

    ABC is owned by Disney, who's largest single owner of stock was... Steve Jobs. Not that I agree with their decision, but maybe the folks there felt a bit more strongly about Jobs' passing a bit more than the people at NBC / CBS.

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  48. One last message from Steve. by Dutchmaan · · Score: 2, Funny

    Thanks for all the heart felt sympathies.

    Sent from my iPhone 5

  49. Re:RIP by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 2

    iDevices with cut-down OSes optimised for being dumb terminals to the Cloud, and centralised oligopoly providers of rentable computing: Amazon, Google and Facebook.

    iDevices are anything but dumb terminals. Google is the one that's trying to move everything into the cloud, Apple's the opposite putting devices in your pocket that sync from the cloud to your devices (the cloud as syncing mechanism) with a strong focus on local applications.

    he didn't necessarily aim to make the production of computing content, rather than its consumption, open and democratic.

    Is that why every mac ships with a free development environment, a music creation application and a video editing application ? Oh and iMovie and Garageband are also available on iOS.

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  50. Re:RIP by leptons · · Score: 2

    >While I'm not a fan of Apple's business practices, Steve made a lot of advances in technology. Like what exactly? What advances in technology did Steve Jobs make? I'd really like to know. What did he actually invent instead of borrow or steal?

  51. Disgusted with some people here dancing on the cof by melted · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Disgusted with some people here dancing on the coffin.

    WTF is wrong with you? "Walled garden" my ass. It was his garden. Don't like it — buy something else, he never forced anyone to buy Apple products. The guy was a visionary. If it wasn't for him, the tech industry would be where it was 10 years ago, if that. Had Apple not released iPhone, your Android would look like ass today, which is what it looked like shortly before iPhone was released. That's assuming there'd even _be_ Android. Your PC laptops would be 1.5 inches thick and would have a battery life of 1 hour. Had NeXT not existed, Tim Berners Lee might not have invented the web. Had Steve not taken those typography classes way back when, chances are we'd have shitty monospaced fonts everywhere. Linux would be a lot more CDE like, and Windows would not look the same either, assuming there'd even be Windows. There would be no Toy Story, no Cars, no Up, no Finding Nemo, all computers would be made of shitty beige plastic, USB, CD/DVDs and WiFi would be set back years, there'd be no Chrome, no usable Clang and LLVM, no mainstream UNIX OSs, no DRM-free downloadable music, no ideas for other people to rip off.

    Steve's reach extended far beyond Apple and iPhone. The guy simply gave a lot to this world, while not really taking much for himself. He has put a dent in the universe. You may glorify him or vilify him, but you can't ignore him. And if you're a decent human being, you can't cheer his death either.

  52. Marcel Duchamp keeps popping into my mind. by niktemadur · · Score: 2

    Duchamp took a urinal and stuck it in a gallery wall, stating "this is art".

    Jobs took a powerful yet arid piece of digital machinery, eliminated the aridness (command line interface), and as the object grew more powerful, turned it smaller and sleeker, time and time again.

    All in all, a brilliant, earnest response to Duchamp's rhetorical provocation.

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  53. About 1985 by texchanchan · · Score: 2

    In about 1985, at TI somebody brought in one of the first Macs and we got to play with it. It was different from everything on the market, not counting the old Xerox Star which was probably not still around at that point. The Mac was the first computer that was actually a personal computer and not a minimalist mainframe. Circumstances left me on the PC side of things, but it was clear they were following what was going on over there. There was more to it than that, but - good job, Steve. I wish you'd had 30 more years.

  54. Re:He'll not be missed by EdIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The reason you should be modded down, and not up, is that it is not appropriate to bring it up on the day the man dies.

    Neither you or I have a great appreciation for how Apple does things, but make no mistake about it.... that man was partly responsible along with some other great men in ushering in a new age of technology.

    All great men stand on the shoulders of other great men, and through the ability to benefit on their achievements make their own.

    You sit here on Slashdot today, on a computer, with the Internet, and talk badly about the man on the day he dies without even realizing (or at least acknowledging) that the very same man contributed to your ability to do so in the first place.

    Give respect where respect is due. You have 30+ years in computing... you should know better.

  55. Re:He'll not be missed by Pecisk · · Score: 2

    He'll *will* be missed - just not by you. And probably no one will care about that.

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  56. Showmanship by Arnold+Reinhold · · Score: 2

    I attended the World Wide Developers' conference when the Mac II was introduced. Rumors insisted it was to be the first color Macintosh. When the exhibit hall doors opened, there was a Mac II with its big (for the time) monitor, but the image was the original Mac's crisp black and white. It was only when I got closer that I noticed the Apple logo in the upper left corner of the screen--it alone displayed in bright rainbow color. That was Job's showmanship.

  57. Re:RIP by jo_ham · · Score: 2

    NeXT, for one. Founded it, helped to shape it into what it became (including the first web server and web browser; cheers Tim Berners Lee), and took it with him when Apple bought it.

    He was responsible for driving the early creation of the Apple II along with Woz - two essential sides of a coin - one could not have succeeded in quite the way they did without the other.

    He was extremely good at what he did, and had an eye for helping to shape technology to take it beyond the realm of geeks and tech-minded people. You may not think that's a worthy skill, but it is a large part of why Apple is so successful.

  58. After an august organ by grepppo · · Score: 2

    Alas the passing of Mr Jobs
    Gone to the Walled garden
    From where there is no jailbreak
    Flash ah ahhhhh
    That wasn't one of yours..


    E J Thribb 44 11/12

  59. my first experience with a Macintosh by PixMan · · Score: 2

    It was 1984 at Carnegie Mellon University... in this era the cutting-edge Microsoft (PC) operating system was MS-DOS 3.0.... it looked like this: http://www.operating-system.org/betriebssystem/gfx/logo/msdos_screenshot.jpg . In this era, when using Microsoft PC's with MS-DOS it was quite common for people to lose hours of work unless they manually saved their work constantly, even if they did nothing wrong because the the computer often "froze up" with no warning. Anyway, I was trying out the Paint software on the new Mac, which looked like this: http://www.forevergeek.com/wp-content/media/2010/08/MacPaint-Japanese-Girl.png . Keep in mind that at this time there were no hard disks in PC's or Macs... just floppies. I had spent about an hour drawing a picture on the Mac but had not saved my work at all. I stretched my legs a bit under the computer table and my foot accidentally kicked the power cord out of the socket. The computer instantly died. I was bummed that I had lost my picture but I plugged the computer back in and watched it boot up again from the floppy. Did it come up with an error message "your computer was not shut down properly" (which you will see with a Microsoft Windows computer to this very day). No. Did it just boot up normally as if nothing had happened? No. Without a single message and without asking me a single question, it booted directly into the Paint software WITH MY ENTIRE PICTURE INTACT.