Renaming the Very Large Array

← Back to Stories (view on slashdot.org)

Renaming the Very Large Array

Posted by Soulskill on Saturday October 15, 2011 @07:39PM from the how-about-the-really-big-array dept.

New submitter mercurywoodrose writes "To commemorate a decade-long electronics upgrade, the Very Large Array in New Mexico is up for renaming. Submissions may be made at the National Radio Astronomy Observatory's website until December 1."

109 of 176 comments (clear)

Min score:

Reason:

Sort:

BART by JavaBear · 2011-10-15 19:45 · Score: 5, Funny

Big Ass Radio Telescope ?
1. Re:BART by ynp7 · 2011-10-15 20:51 · Score: 1
  
  How about "The Still Very Large Array"?
2. Re:BART by WillDraven · 2011-10-16 00:00 · Score: 1
  
  Very Large Array of Dishes Teleoperated Happily Expecting Important Measurements Predicting Alien Language Expressive Radios
  
  --
  This is my sig. There are many like it but this one is mine.
3. Re:BART by maxwell+demon · 2011-10-16 01:35 · Score: 1
  
  Or simply: Large Array of Radio Telescopes. :-)
  
  --
  The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
4. Re:BART by theshowmecanuck · 2011-10-16 04:50 · Score: 1
  
  Woosh!
  
  --
  -- I ignore anonymous replies to my comments and postings.
5. Re:BART by maxwell+demon · 2011-10-16 05:10 · Score: 2
  
  Whoosh yourself.
  Large
  Array of
  Radio
  Telescopes
  -> LART
  Get it now?
  
  --
  The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
6. Re:BART by theshowmecanuck · 2011-10-16 05:48 · Score: 1
  
  Too far down the list of juvenile acronyms put together by 'lusers' to register with me. Guess I wasn't 1337 enough to 'get it'. Must be spending too much time doing something useful. Apologies. Now I have to figure out some more, "no, no I patented 'that' first" jokes to get ready for the next Slashdot patent article.
  
  --
  -- I ignore anonymous replies to my comments and postings.
7. Re:BART by no1home · 2011-10-16 16:46 · Score: 1
  
  As a big fan and visitor of the VLA, I actually approve of this.
  
  --
  I hope this comment is well received... I could have moderated instead!
  
  Persecutors will be violated!
How about Sagan by rossdee · 2011-10-15 19:46 · Score: 5, Insightful

In Honor of Carl Sagan, the writer of Contact , and a populiser of astronomy
1. Re:How about Sagan by curio_city · 2011-10-15 20:35 · Score: 5, Funny
  
  Super Awesome Group of ANtennae?
2. Re:How about Sagan by stephanruby · 2011-10-15 21:03 · Score: 2
  
  They should just do like most Universities do with their buildings, have a reverse auction and rename the array, every couple of years.
3. Re:How about Sagan by John+Bresnahan · 2011-10-15 22:25 · Score: 2, Interesting
  
  Careful there. If the Sagan estate is still as litigious as Sagan used to be, the VLA might end up with the name "Butt-Head Astronomer Telescope". Wikipedia.org
4. Re:How about Sagan by zephvark · 2011-10-15 22:28 · Score: 1
  
  Butthead Astronomer Telescope. I like it. BAT it is.
5. Re:How about Sagan by nitehawk214 · 2011-10-16 03:03 · Score: 2
  
  Butthead Astronomer Telescope. I like it. BAT it is.
  How about the Beavis Astronomer Telescope?
  
  --
  I'm a good cook. I'm a fantastic eater. - Steven Brust
6. Re:How about Sagan by Ster · 2011-10-16 04:54 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  In Contact, the facility Ellie was at when The Message started arriving was called the Argus Array. Then when they made the movie, they actually used the VLA and called it the VLA. So why not make life imitate art and go with the Argus Array.
  -Ster
7. Re:How about Sagan by Ster · 2011-10-16 05:44 · Score: 1
  
  Oh, and the Argus Array in the book was located outside Socorro, New Mexico. Guess where the VLA is located?
  -Ster
8. Re:How about Sagan by Thuktun · 2011-10-16 16:05 · Score: 1
  
  Along those lines, I submitted Sagan Array.
9. Re:How about Sagan by schroedingers_hat · 2011-10-16 16:59 · Score: 1
  
  Perhaps we should name it Butt-head tech CEO instead?
Most comments will be- by Zaldarr · 2011-10-15 19:49 · Score: 4, Interesting

The Array

--
I write professional videogame reviews! http://www.digitallydownloaded.net/
1. Re:Most comments will be- by Zaldarr · 2011-10-15 19:52 · Score: 1
  
  Silly less than and greater than signs messing with my gag! The *synonym of large* Array
  
  --
  I write professional videogame reviews! http://www.digitallydownloaded.net/
2. Re:Most comments will be- by maxwell+demon · 2011-10-15 20:08 · Score: 1
  
  Well, less than and greater than signs are done with < (&lt) and > (>).
  
  --
  The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
3. Re:Most comments will be- by maxwell+demon · 2011-10-15 20:09 · Score: 2
  
  Oh, and don't forget to proofread! :-)
  
  --
  The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
4. Re:Most comments will be- by Lexx+Greatrex · 2011-10-16 05:09 · Score: 1
  
  How 'bout "Very Large Array"?
5. Re:Most comments will be- by FredFredrickson · 2011-10-20 03:34 · Score: 1
  
  Chuck Norris doesn't need to prepare.
  
  --
  Belief? Hope? Preference?The Existential Vortex
FVLA? by G3ckoG33k · 2011-10-15 19:49 · Score: 2

Formerly Very Large Array?
1. Re:FVLA? by M8e · 2011-10-15 19:56 · Score: 1
  
  The Array Formerly Known as the Very Large Array.
2. Re:FVLA? by game+kid · 2011-10-15 20:13 · Score: 1
  
  Ta Ta Away From Keyboard At The Very Large Array.
  Yup, that ought to motivate the local Congressman to fund the project!
  
  --
  You can hold down the "B" button for continuous firing.
3. Re:FVLA? by black+soap · 2011-10-17 16:08 · Score: 1
  
  The Even Larger Array?
  From the article, there are no more dishes than before, and they aren't any bigger, they are just more sensetive. The "Just as Large Array"?
4. Re:FVLA? by FredFredrickson · 2011-10-20 03:36 · Score: 1
  
  Why don't we just pick out a symbol and let the media decide what they'll call it!
  
  --
  Belief? Hope? Preference?The Existential Vortex
I propose... by Anonymous Coward · 2011-10-15 19:53 · Score: 2, Funny

int *A = malloc(SIZE_MAX);
1. Re:I propose... by atisss · 2011-10-17 05:06 · Score: 1
  
  you'll have to actually do rename:
  A = VLA
  malloc would be unnecessary because you don't want to copy the array
1 question by aglider · 2011-10-15 19:55 · Score: 1

Why on earth? And also in the universe?

--
Sent as ripples into the electromagnetic field. No single photon has been harmed in the process.
1. Re:1 question by maxwell+demon · 2011-10-15 20:14 · Score: 2
  
  Why on earth? And also in the universe?
  While that's certainly an interesting name, I don't think it would be very good marketing. :-)
  (BTW those are two questions!)
  
  --
  The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
Charity by sirdude · 2011-10-15 19:56 · Score: 4, Insightful

Why not auction the name and donate the proceeds to a scientific charity? I suspect that big money can be made ...
1. Re:Charity by dkf · 2011-10-15 20:02 · Score: 2
  
  I suspect that big money can be made ...
  Only if you get the scaling factor on your printing press wrong!
  
  --
  "Little does he know, but there is no 'I' in 'Idiot'!"
2. Re:Charity by Quatloo · 2011-10-16 01:44 · Score: 1
  
  I was thinking along the same lines. What is wrong with "The MetLife VLA" or "The Microsoft VLA" ? It is worth more than first blush when you consider that the name will be registered and trademarked so that news stories and other publications need to reference the whole name.
3. Re:Charity by StikyPad · 2011-10-16 19:57 · Score: 1
  
  Same reason we don't call that 5-sided building in Virginia "The Lockheed Martin Military Complex."
  
  --
  https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere
SCAT by macraig · 2011-10-15 19:57 · Score: 1

Super
Colossal
Alien
Tracker
The COLBERT array. by faulteh · 2011-10-15 19:57 · Score: 2

OK I haven't thought of what the acronym means yet but you can bet that the Colbert Nation is hard at work submitting recommendations.
Completely "Oldstuff Left Behind" Enhanced Radio Telescope
1. Re:The COLBERT array. by w00d · 2011-10-15 20:45 · Score: 1
  
  Colossally Oversized, Ludicrously Big Effin' Radio Telescope.
2. Re:The COLBERT array. by amRadioHed · 2011-10-15 21:37 · Score: 5, Funny
  
  How about "Configurable Observatory of Large Baseline Enhanced Radio Telescopes"
  
  --
  We hope your rules and wisdom choke you / Now we are one in everlasting peace
3. Re:The COLBERT array. by Alamais · 2011-10-15 23:54 · Score: 1
  
  You, good sir, win. Seriously, submit this to someone.
4. Re:The COLBERT array. by grumling · 2011-10-16 02:17 · Score: 1
  
  Make that the "Stephen Colbert Doritos Fiery Fusion Sizzlin' Cayenne & Cheese washed down with a Dr. Pepper" large array and I'll vote for it.
  
  --
  "Well, good luck finding a judge that doesn't run a bestiality site."
5. Re:The COLBERT array. by amRadioHed · 2011-10-16 18:28 · Score: 1
  
  You're right, I have submitted it to the Colbert Nation show suggestions forum. Hopefully someone from the show will see it and pick up the campaign!
  http://forums.colbertnation.com/?page=ThreadView&thread_id=29223
  
  --
  We hope your rules and wisdom choke you / Now we are one in everlasting peace
What about ... by maxwell+demon · 2011-10-15 20:02 · Score: 1, Funny

VLA 2.0? :-)

--
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
Obviously. by Anonymous Coward · 2011-10-15 20:09 · Score: 1

Dis Array.
Hmm by Haedrian · 2011-10-15 20:18 · Score: 1

The Array Formerly Known as Very Large Array
Legendarray (see what I did there?)
Homage to Fermi by djl4570 · 2011-10-15 20:28 · Score: 2

"Where are they?"
1. Re:Homage to Fermi by Tumbleweed · 2011-10-15 22:42 · Score: 1
  
  "Where are they?"
  Get out now - the signal's coming from your own planet!
Tip a hat to Slashdot by White+Flame · 2011-10-15 20:30 · Score: 3, Funny

IABCOD "Imagine a Beowulf cluster of dishes!"
1. Re:Tip a hat to Slashdot by Phase+Shifter · 2011-10-16 00:47 · Score: 1
  
  IABCOD "Imagine a Beowulf cluster of dishes!"
  Might as well get a few more of them out there:
  The BIG (Beaming Intergalactic Goatse) Array
  27 Dishes of Hot Grits
I know! by Jane+Q.+Public · 2011-10-15 20:33 · Score: 3, Funny

How about "Paul"?
Some perspective is in order. by Jane+Q.+Public · 2011-10-15 20:36 · Score: 2

Because all these constructions with their superlative names are always eventually surpassed by something else, I propose that we name this the "Pretty Big Array".
1. Re:Some perspective is in order. by Jane+Q.+Public · 2011-10-15 21:06 · Score: 3, Funny
  
  If that naming convention is going to be continued, each generation should at least sound bigger than the previous. To my ear, "Pretty Big Array" does not sound quite as big as "Very Large Array" (I'm not a native english speaker so I could be wrong). Anyway, its probably better to ditch this naming convention as you will end up in stupid names in relatively short time. For example, in few generations you could end up with something like "Ridiculously Oversized Array"
  But that was my whole point. We should start back a ways. Otherwise, we'll end up having "The Very Very Large Array", "The Even Larger Array", "Yet Another Extremely Sizable Array", and "Jesus Christ! Would You Look At That Array!"
  
  I think if we back up a bit, and start small, it will give us more room to grow.
2. Re:Some perspective is in order. by maxwell+demon · 2011-10-16 01:30 · Score: 1
  
  I think the current record in size naming is Overwhelmingly Large. However that's for optical telescopes.
  
  --
  The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
How bout what it really is... by Anonymous Coward · 2011-10-15 20:40 · Score: 1

Future budget cut.
Too easy. by SolemnLord · 2011-10-15 20:41 · Score: 1

Very Large Upgraded Array.
Do new names really stick? by jklovanc · 2011-10-15 20:51 · Score: 4, Insightful

Astronomer 1: did you see what "insert new name here" found?
Astronomer 2: "new name"??
Astronomer 1: The Very Large Array..
Astronomer 2: Oh yeah, they changed the name. Go on.
Old names have a tendency to stick around in proportion to how long they were used. Since the Very Large Array has been around for a while the name will probably be around for a while more.
Another issue is that researchers could be confused when the same piece of scientific gear is referred to by more than one name. It would be easy to miss the fact that the Very Large Array and "insert new name here" are actually the same piece of equipment.
1. Re:Do new names really stick? by zippthorne · 2011-10-16 05:50 · Score: 1
  
  Further, wouldn't changing the name necessitate a potentially costly update of all the signage? Surely that's money better spent doing, I don't know, something useful?
  
  --
  Can you be Even More Awesome?!
2. Re:Do new names really stick? by JetScootr · 2011-10-16 10:05 · Score: 1
  
  Astronomers, as a group, are every bit as smart as rocket scientists. I've worked with both at NASA. I think they can handle the name change.
  
  --
  Pavlov wouldn't be so famous if he'd used a can opener instead of a bell.
3. Re:Do new names really stick? by Dhalka226 · 2011-10-16 13:25 · Score: 1
  
  Forgetfulness is certainly one aspect, but spite is another. That's how it goes with the Sears Tower. It hasn't been named that for years, but it's still what almost everybody around here calls it -- including some professional publications. We just sort of pretend the name change never happened.
  That's especially likely in this case if the name or the acronym turn out to be especially obnoxious to say.
4. Re:Do new names really stick? by jklovanc · 2011-10-16 20:40 · Score: 1
  
  It has nothing to do with smarts. The issue is that there is a relation between the current facility and the name people carry around in their heads. In almost all cases, and particularly in people with Asperger Syndrome, this is a one to one relationship; one facility, one name. Now the same facility will have two names; the one in literature written before the change and one in the literature after the change. These new relationships can be difficult to deal with.
  I have Aspergers. A new building was built on the Uvic campus and for a year it was call the Class Room Building. It finally got an official name but it will always be the CRB to me. Aspergers is quite prevalent in high tech fields.
5. Re:Do new names really stick? by jklovanc · 2011-10-16 20:54 · Score: 1
  
  Sorry but the facility does exactly the same thing it did before the upgrade; it just does it more accurately, faster and with better communications to off site computers.
6. Re:Do new names really stick? by c++0xFF · 2011-10-17 05:32 · Score: 1
  
  Another issue is that researchers could be confused when the same piece of scientific gear is referred to by more than one name. It would be easy to miss the fact that the Very Large Array and "insert new name here" are actually the same piece of equipment.
  On the other hand, this name change follows a significant upgrade to the VLA's equipment. Having a different name provides an easy way to tell the difference.
  Something like how we change the name of software when there's significant changes. "XP, Vista, 7" ... I don't hear anybody getting confused about those. By that respect, a name change for the VLA might even be welcome.
BFA 9000 by Jonah+Hex · 2011-10-15 21:34 · Score: 4, Funny

Modify it a bit to BFA 9000

--
Horror & SciFi Erotic Nudes
If size is so important... by itsdapead · 2011-10-15 22:37 · Score: 3, Funny

If this size-based naming goes much further we're going to end up with telescopes with names like The Bigger Than The Very Large Array But Not As Big As The Extremely Large Array Array...
Or they could just admit to their resolution envy and call it the Particularly Enormous Network of Interferometric Sensors.

--
In a survey of 100 programmers, 111111 thought that duck-typing was a good idea.
It's not my fault! by Tumbleweed · 2011-10-15 22:45 · Score: 1

The "Big-Boned" Array.
or
The "Husky" Array
or
The "Once You Go Very Large Array, You Never Go Back" Array
or
Array con Pollo (wait, never mind about this one, I'm just hungry.)
or
Uncle Bob
Special High Intensity Telescope by syousef · 2011-10-15 22:51 · Score: 2

Call it SHIT if you want, just don't cut the fucking budget!

--
These posts express my own personal views, not those of my employer
1. Re:Special High Intensity Telescope by maxwell+demon · 2011-10-16 01:11 · Score: 2
  
  Call it SHIT if you want, just don't cut the fucking budget!
  They have a separate budget for fucking? :-)
  
  --
  The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
stolen from fark.com... by TheSHAD0W · 2011-10-15 23:00 · Score: 1

IMO the best new name for the array is Leon.
People by hackertourist · 2011-10-15 23:21 · Score: 3, Insightful

How about naming it after one of the pioneers of radio astronomy?
- Karl Jansky, first to realize that there were radio waves coming from space
- Grote Reber, first to build a radio telescope
- Sir Martin Ryle, who came up with radio interferometry (although he's already had a radio telescope named after him)
1. Re:People by hackertourist · 2011-10-17 03:02 · Score: 1
  
  Reber would be an interesting choice given the current name. "Grote" is Dutch for "large".
Big Brother by deniable · 2011-10-15 23:34 · Score: 1

It's got a long reach.
Slatibarfast by sproketboy · 2011-10-15 23:58 · Score: 1

Obviously.
Re:The array formerly known as by Sulphur · 2011-10-16 00:03 · Score: 1

Plow lines between the dishes on the array, make a nice vector logo, and make the logo its name and refer to it as the Array Formerly Known as the Very Large Array.
Sagan Nazca Array?
We all know how this will end up... by anon+mouse-cow-aard · 2011-10-16 00:25 · Score: 1

It's and online poll, If they are honest, it'll be the Colbert Big Ensemble for Astronomy in the Radio Spectrum. http://www.cio.com/article/489397/Will_NASA_Name_Space_Station_After_Comedian_Colbert_ (Colbert has an issue with BEARS. I think his main motivation would be to detect any extraplanetary bears way ahead of time.) http://wikiality.wikia.com/Bears
GINVLA by estestvoispytatel · 2011-10-16 01:07 · Score: 1

= Ginvla Is Not Very Large Array.
1. Re:GINVLA by poofmeisterp · 2011-10-16 01:44 · Score: 1
  
  GINGAVITIS?
  Gigantic Interstellar, New Ginormous Asynchronous, Very Integral Telescope Is Sequential...?
How about... by Chris+Mattern · 2011-10-16 01:34 · Score: 1

the "My God It's Huge Array"?
Stephen Colbert Very Large Array by jufineath · 2011-10-16 01:37 · Score: 1

Its about time for another rush by Colbert Nation!
The Ritchie Array... by SwedishChef · 2011-10-16 02:02 · Score: 2

Something should be named after Dennis Ritchie.

--
No one ever had to evacuate a city because the solar panels broke!
1. Re:The Ritchie Array... by Linknoid · 2011-10-16 03:33 · Score: 2
  
  I think it would be more appropriate to name a sea after him.
WAPIMA(TM) by poofmeisterp · 2011-10-16 02:03 · Score: 1

WAPIMA(TM)
What A Pain In My Ass (To Maintain)
In memory of Dennis Ritchie... by sp332 · 2011-10-16 02:48 · Score: 2

space* dennis_ritchie[]; // The Dennis Ritchie Array of Pointers to Space
How about by s2jcpete · 2011-10-16 02:53 · Score: 1

Verne Large Array
Arrays got Back by nitehawk214 · 2011-10-16 03:12 · Score: 1

I like Big Arrays, I cannot lie.
No? Ok, how about a name that keeps the VLA acronym intact. Voluminous Leering Apparatus
Acronym Attic has some guesses.

--
I'm a good cook. I'm a fantastic eater. - Steven Brust
Panoptes by Martin+S. · 2011-10-16 03:21 · Score: 2

After the giant watchman in Greek mythology that kept a constant watch with his 100 eyes only closing a few at a time.
1. Re:Panoptes by SpaceCracker · 2011-10-16 20:46 · Score: 1
  
  As opposed to wise-ass remarks to this post, including mine, your suggestion is actually a good one. Did you suggest it on their site?
  "Zeus had Argus slain by Hermes [who] first put all of Argus's eyes asleep with boring stories." (Wikipedia)
  In case Panoptes wins, I suggest installing a boring story alarm.
  
  --
  sigo ergo sum
Follow Precedent by UnoriginalBoringNick · 2011-10-16 03:27 · Score: 1

USB Low Speed 1.536 Mbit/s 192 kB/s
USB Full Speed 12 Mbit/s 1.5 MB/s
USB Hi-Speed (USB 2.0) 480 Mbit/s 60 MB/s
So call it the Full Size Array and wait for developments
More Than Research by shawnhcorey · 2011-10-16 03:50 · Score: 1

How about the Intergalactic Communication Unit (ICU) to remind people that it can be used for communication as well as research.

--
Don't stop where the ink does.
Name it "Mr. Johnson" by Jeremiah+Cornelius · 2011-10-16 03:53 · Score: 1

Or "John Holmes".

--
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
How about... by alienzed · 2011-10-16 04:40 · Score: 1

Stargate.

--
Never say never. Ah!! I did it again!
Naming rights by PPH · 2011-10-16 05:06 · Score: 1

Sell them. Make some money.
JP Morgan, Bank of America, and Citibank are all in need of some good PR right about now. Its up for sale.

--
Have gnu, will travel.
SOAP by justthinkit · 2011-10-16 05:20 · Score: 1

Slightly Ostentatious Array Project

--
I come here for the love
Voila by yeshuawatso · 2011-10-16 05:56 · Score: 1

Very Old Interstellar Large Array.
Obvious: by korgitser · 2011-10-16 06:15 · Score: 1

Colbert 6000

--
FCKGW 09F9 42
"Buzzing Sign Diner" by Mjollnir · 2011-10-16 06:44 · Score: 1

Simple, descriptive, to the point.
Complete Disharray by SkyratesPlayer · 2011-10-16 10:26 · Score: 2

Just to have some pun...
Tip 'o the Hat to Iain M Banks by Flere+Imsaho · 2011-10-16 10:34 · Score: 1

Ultimate Array The Second

--
It gripped her hand gently. 'Regret is for humans,' it said.
Re:In memory of Dennis Ritchie... - deserves funny by Capt.Albatross · 2011-10-16 14:44 · Score: 1

Given the ' funny' posts above, this definitely deserves 'witty'.
My suggestion by mercurywoodrose · 2011-10-16 17:15 · Score: 1

I didnt want to make my post an editorial platform (just the facts, maam), but i submitted to the agency my idea: The Mind-Bogglingly Big Array. as in "Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean you may think it's a long walk down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space. Listen..." I leave the determination of who (or what) said this as an exercise for the reader.

--
You hear about the person who didn't rely on anecdotal evidence to support his belief system?
Achievements by SpaceCracker · 2011-10-16 20:31 · Score: 1

In TFA, NRAO director Fred Lo is quoted: "The new name should clearly reflect the VLA's leading role in the future of astronomy, while honouring its multitude of past achievements." I guess the achievements are the VLA's guest appearances in Contact and Independence Day. I therefore suggest:
Big Antennas That Are Looking For Aliens

--
sigo ergo sum
Array of Big Synchronized Upgraded Radio Dishes by SpaceCracker · 2011-10-16 20:35 · Score: 1

The title says it all.
(I could not submit a blank comment)

--
sigo ergo sum
Re:VVLA by nacturation · 2011-10-16 20:51 · Score: 1

If they get military funding: ARRAY, LARGE, VERY

--
Want to improve your Karma? Instead of "Post Anonymously", try the "Post Humously" option.
The Mushroom Farm by braindrainbahrain · 2011-10-16 23:33 · Score: 1

I heard that this is the nickname pilots have given it. It is what the VLA looks like to them from the air
Viagra Very Large... by bodland · 2011-10-17 02:46 · Score: 1

nevermind...
Horkheimer Array by Dammital · 2011-10-17 08:45 · Score: 1

Keep looking up!
The Upgraded Very Large Array by Tolkien · 2011-10-17 11:22 · Score: 1

My vote. :) Otherwise, just add a superlative every time it gets upgraded or repaired.

--
how is babby formed?
Submission? by black+soap · 2011-10-17 16:15 · Score: 1

I wonder just how many of my fellow nerds submitted this same story?