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New Vaccine Halves Malaria Risk

An anonymous reader writes "According to a report in Reuters, scientists are celebrating the end of a clinical trial which found a malaria vaccine reduces infection risk by half in children. From the article: 'While scientists say it is no "silver bullet" and will not end the mosquito-borne infection on its own, it is being hailed as a crucial weapon in the fight against malaria and one that could speed the path to eventual worldwide eradication. Malaria is caused by a parasite carried in the saliva of mosquitoes. It kills more than 780,000 people per year, most of them babies or very young children in Africa. Cohen's vaccine goes to work at the point when the parasite enters the human bloodstream after a mosquito bite. By stimulating an immune response, it can prevent the parasite from maturing and multiplying in the liver. ... Cohen said that if all goes to plan, RTS,S could be licensed and rolled out by 2015.'"

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  1. Malaria seems to be adaptable by maroberts · · Score: 1

    ...so will this vaccine and others become useless in a few years, as malaria seems to have become resistant to other treatments over the years?

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    1. Re:Malaria seems to be adaptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Vaccines != antibiotics.

    2. Re:Malaria seems to be adaptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Over the years" - did you mean until the patent runs out?

    3. Re:Malaria seems to be adaptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Vaccines != antibiotics.

      So? Can't diseases become resistant to vaccination? Or to put it another way, what's to stop another strain of malaria arising that can infect people that have been vaccinated?

    4. Re:Malaria seems to be adaptable by andot · · Score: 2

      AFAIK humans are not primary carriers of malaria sporozoites. So elliminating humans from malaria life cycle is not enough to trigger rapid evolution in favor of other malaria strains.

    5. Re:Malaria seems to be adaptable by mlush · · Score: 1

      True but vaccines train the body to recognise markers so one presumes that a strain of malaria may arise without the markers that are recognised.

      Possibly, the big achievement is find anything to target. malarias coat proteins are highly polymorphic to better avoid the immune system and all the stable stuff is hidden under the coat protein.

      If a resistant strain does become prevalent it should be possible to create a vaccine against that targeting the same protein.

    6. Re:Malaria seems to be adaptable by mspohr · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Malaria has a complex life cycle, part in mosquitoes and part in humans. It also has a lot of natural variability in the surface antigens of the different life stages (these change frequently and have a large amount of regional variation). For these reasons, some people (in particular, Robert S. Desowitz) have held that it would be impossible to develop a malaria vaccine which would be effective for more than a short time in a given location.

      Malaria has been effective at developing resistance to treatments over the years and could also be effective at evading the vaccine.

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  2. Darwin? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If half of the parasite population survives, won't selection quickly favour the resistant part of the population?

    1. Re:Darwin? by Dragon+Bait · · Score: 2

      If half of the parasite population survives, won't selection quickly favour the resistant part of the population?

      If it were an antibiotic and not a vaccine, you'd be right.

      With a vaccine, you're encouraging the child's immune system to combat malaria. If the half that the vaccine doesn't work for die before procreation then overtime the vaccine would become more effective (assuming that why the vaccine works for some and not for others is genetic based).

  3. Not a silver bullet... by coinreturn · · Score: 1

    Is it just bronze then?

  4. Re:good or bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    About a million people die each year from Malaria. That's a drop in the ocean compared to the net increase in humans. Nothing short of massive cultural shifts in large swathes of the world will halt global population problems.

  5. Poverty is the REAL issue by WindBourne · · Score: 0

    So sad. Malaria is a major killer of ppl. That is a fact. HOWEVER, it occurs where poverty strikes. So, gates, copying Carnigie and Rockfellers to end up with a decent name, is working on this. Basically, he spends money now on curing human SYMPTOMS, while ignoring the main issue that really needs to worked on: poverty. For example, gates, like China, continues to pull money out of the west, and then talks about giving it away without making it productive. Yet, the man has the ability to bring the world out of recession by using that money to fund a large number of innovative start-ups around the world. Note that I said innovative, not necessarily profitable. These start-ups that help create wealth for MANY, that would then invest into their own nations conditions if taught to do so, as part of winning that money. Such a waste of money.

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    1. Re:Poverty is the REAL issue by dragonhunter21 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Is a man who dedicates half his fortune to curing a major cause of death in the third world to establish his good name really any worse than the man who does same for purely altruistic reasons? The money's the same, after all.

      It's a damn sight easier to eliminate a disease than to eliminate poverty. If they have more bodies available to work, then the economy will pick up. Baby steps.

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    2. Re:Poverty is the REAL issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      he is not dedicating half his fortune to that. Not even 5%.

    3. Re:Poverty is the REAL issue by Hentes · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If they have more bodies available to work, then the economy will pick up. Baby steps.

      Africa already has the highest population growth. A successful economy needs more then that just people.

    4. Re:Poverty is the REAL issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "More bodies available to work" is the problem, it depresses the average wage. In a time of famine, do you really want more people?

    5. Re:Poverty is the REAL issue by muon-catalyzed · · Score: 0

      > If they have more bodies available to work, then the economy will pick up..
      and more copies of OS could be sold, Gates knows this, the sales of Windows per country are function of population size.

    6. Re:Poverty is the REAL issue by dragonhunter21 · · Score: 1

      Really? You're looking to slam Gates so much that you're willing to overlook his over $28 billion in charitable contributions because the company he founded stands to make some cash off selling computers to them? I'm willing to bet that, even optimally, Gates won't make back a tenth of that as a result of this. Not everything has an ulterior motive.

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    7. Re:Poverty is the REAL issue by blizter · · Score: 1

      In Soviet Russia, if they have more bodies available to pick up, then the economy will work.

    8. Re:Poverty is the REAL issue by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Basically, he spends money now on curing human SYMPTOMS, while ignoring the main issue that really needs to worked on: poverty.

      You would make a really shitty triage doctor. When a patient is laying on the gurney with a gunshot wound, you don't throw your hands up and say "Well, until I can treat the underlying problem of gang violence that got him here, fuck it." Helping end disease in Africa will mean a major improvement in lives there. Would it be nice to ALSO end poverty? You betcha. But when you have limited resources, you don't START with the hardest and most intractable problems, you start out with the smaller problems that you can actually SOLVE with those limited resources.

      Even a Bill Gates, with his vast individual wealth, couldn't even begin to deal with the issue of poverty in Africa. That would take a coalition of dozens (if not hundreds) of governments willing to pool their resources and work together. And even then it would be a HUGE challenge.

      What's REALLY sad that people on /. can't look past their mindless hatred of Bill Gates to acknowledge the real good he's doing in Africa. The bizarre thing is that some of these same people are the ones who cried like their daddy had died when Steve Jobs died--a man who lined his own pockets with billions while never doing ANYTHING to help the sick and impoverished. Not one fucking THING have you or your idol done for the poor in Africa, yet all you can do is criticize Bill Gates, one of the few who is actually getting off his ass and doing something to help.

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    9. Re:Poverty is the REAL issue by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2

      Very true. It also needs people who can survive until the age when they can begin contributing to society. This vaccine might help with that.

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    10. Re:Poverty is the REAL issue by Hentes · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Employment rates in Africa are terrible. The problem is not a shortage of workforce.

    11. Re:Poverty is the REAL issue by WindBourne · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, it is yourself that would make a shitty triage. You would obviously try to cure a broken leg or a gunshot wound to the arm, while ignoring the fact that the patient is not breathing and has no circulation.

      When you solve malaria, you will now cut the death rate. That will put pressure on the local community. LOADS of it. Right now, the reason why Malaria spread so quickly and easily is because mosquitoes carry it from one person to another. They are right next to each other. Once malaria is cured, then another disease will step right up there because more ppl will occupy the same space, but with the same amount of money to solve issues. Actually less overall as well as less per person. Once it is realized by gates that he screwed up, he will not want to solve the next symptom.

      The ONLY answer is to solve poverty. You solve poverty by creating new companies, and then have these companies invest into the local area. Those investments clean up the area, while employing ppl. Once you clean up an area, and have enough money to separate ppl, then disease drops.

      BTW, I suspect that even the above will be false. I doubt that gates or others like yourself will look at this rationally and logically. For example, America keeps pouring food and other resources into solving Africa and south America's problems. Yet, new ones pop up. The SMART solution is to work these locals and give them the same capabilities that we have: solve problems LOCALLY. By having enough to deal with it. Brazil is a nation that is building itself up this way. And they ARE addressing issues.

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    12. Re:Poverty is the REAL issue by SpeZek · · Score: 2

      It's quite amazing how many leaps of logic you take to assert that fighting a disease is a bad thing.

    13. Re:Poverty is the REAL issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Africa already has the highest population growth. A successful economy needs more then that just people.

      Quite right. It needs healthy people.

    14. Re:Poverty is the REAL issue by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

      Malaria is a major killer of ppl.

      Actually, it is a major killer of children. Gates foundation is not draining the U.S. coffers in their attempt to ease the pain and suffering of those children. Bill and Melinda Gates contribution and construction of the foundation is not a blank check to the foundation. Donations have been, and are still being, accepted from global contributers. China's money is not the U.S.'s money. Money spent on China's goods is gone. It belongs to China. If they wish to help children with their money, good for them. If money protected someone from getting bitten by a mosquito we would have clothing made from it.

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    15. Re:Poverty is the REAL issue by mutube · · Score: 2

      Quite right. It needs healthy people.

    16. Re:Poverty is the REAL issue by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      I did not say that fighting a disease a bad thing. I said that he is fighting a symptom, and not the cause. The root cause of this is poverty. The real issue is that once you solve THIS disase, unless you take care of the poverty issue, another will QUICKLY rise to the top and kill as many or more in total numbers. The reason is that once you stop the deaths, then you will have higher population densities in some of the worse places going.

      Beyond that, what leaps of logic did I make?

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    17. Re:Poverty is the REAL issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maybe poverty would stop if people kept dying of curable diseases

    18. Re:Poverty is the REAL issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you really so foolish to think that poverty isn't partially created by people getting sick, and dying? Disease isn't merely just a symptom of poverty, it's also a cause.

    19. Re:Poverty is the REAL issue by Gaygirlie · · Score: 2

      Actually, it is yourself that would make a shitty triage. You would obviously try to cure a broken leg or a gunshot wound to the arm, while ignoring the fact that the patient is not breathing and has no circulation.

      This is my first and only comment on this whole article, but... your analogy is bullsh*t.

    20. Re:Poverty is the REAL issue by Kyusaku+Natsume · · Score: 1

      Africa would get a good lift up if the Europeans and Americans paid reparations for the damage done under the colonial conquest of the continent and the slave trade. Despite being mostly a tax evading scheme, I will recognize Gates that at least him is doing it in a far bigger scale than what would be recommended by his accountants and enough to do a palpable good. Here in Mexico, our billionaires are 150% assholes.

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    21. Re:Poverty is the REAL issue by sonicmerlin · · Score: 1

      Haha adding people to starving African nations will most definitely not make their problems go away.

    22. Re:Poverty is the REAL issue by sonicmerlin · · Score: 1

      Nope, just China.

    23. Re:Poverty is the REAL issue by elsurexiste · · Score: 2

      Poverty is a complex, multicausal phenomena, as any sociologist, statistician, or demographer can tell you, and should be analyzed with a systemic perspective. Malaria, as any other health issue, is an indicator of poverty, but also a cause of poverty. That's why we build indicators like "Disability-adjusted life year", "Year-Life Loss", and "Healthy Life Years": they are useful as health indicators and as proxies for economic potential. A purely economic solution for economic problems, which is what you emphasize (massive investment in startups) would have limited impact.

      In layman's terms: malaria is expensive, both in social and economic terms. Getting rid of malaria would help a lot in reducing poverty, just by allowing that money to be invested elsewhere.

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    24. Re:Poverty is the REAL issue by j-beda · · Score: 5, Informative

      When you solve malaria, you will now cut the death rate. That will put pressure on the local community. LOADS of it. Right now, the reason why Malaria spread so quickly and easily is because mosquitoes carry it from one person to another. They are right next to each other. Once malaria is cured, then another disease will step right up there because more ppl will occupy the same space, but with the same amount of money to solve issues. Actually less overall as well as less per person. Once it is realized by gates that he screwed up, he will not want to solve the next symptom..

      I don't think you understand the drain on resources that malaria is. While many do die from malaria, most do not. Most are just chronically sick, and unless you are going to advocate shooting them in the head, these current chronically sick people are a much bigger drain on the entire social structure than the increased costs associated with fewer deaths due to malaria.

      Have a read:
      http://www.rbm.who.int/cmc_upload/0/000/015/363/RBMInfosheet_10.htm

      "Annual economic growth in countries with high malaria transmission has historically been lower than in countries without malaria. Economists believe that malaria is responsible for a ‘growth penalty' of up to 1.3% per year in some African countries. When compounded over the years, this penalty leads to substantial differences in GDP between countries with and without malaria and severely restrains the economic growth of the entire region.

      The direct costs of malaria include a combination of personal and public expenditures on both prevention and treatment of the disease. Personal expenditures include individual or family spending on insecticide treated mosquito nets (ITNs), doctors' fees, anti-malarial drugs, transport to health facilities, support for the patient and sometimes an accompanying family member during hospital stays. Public expenditures include spending by government on maintaining health facilities and health care infrastructure, publicly managed vector control, education and research. In some countries with a heavy malaria burden, the disease may account for as much as 40% of public health expenditure, 30-50% of inpatient admissions, and up to 50% of outpatient visits.

      The indirect costs of malaria include lost productivity or income associated with illness or death. This might be expressed as the cost of lost workdays or absenteeism from formal employment and the value of unpaid work done in the home by both men and women. In the case of death, the indirect cost includes the discounted future lifetime earnings of those who die.

      Malaria has a greater impact on Africa's human resources than simple lost earnings. Although difficult to express in dollar terms, another indirect cost of malaria is the human pain and suffering caused by the disease. Malaria also hampers children's schooling and social development through both absenteeism and permanent neurological and other damage associated with severe episodes of the disease.

      The simple presence of malaria in a community or country also hampers individual and national prosperity due to its influence on social and economic decisions. The risk of contracting malaria in endemic areas can deter investment, both internal and external and affect individual and household decision making in many ways that have a negative impact on economic productivity and growth."

    25. Re:Poverty is the REAL issue by dragonhunter21 · · Score: 1

      Having people to work the farms and factories to make money could, though.

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    26. Re:Poverty is the REAL issue by tmarsh86 · · Score: 2

      No, malaria is the issue. Most people with malaria do not die and they cause a drain on the resources- both in needing help and in not being able to work to help their families and communities. Once you knock malaria down to something much smaller and more manageable the people and the communities can be in a better position to accept economic help to build their communities up and knock poverty down to something manageable.

    27. Re:Poverty is the REAL issue by Guppy · · Score: 1

      If they have more bodies available to work, then the economy will pick up. Baby steps.

      Following the end of the Chinese Civil war, this was Mao's stance on population growth -- that people were a resource, so they should encourage lots of population growth. This stance (combined with social and economic mis-management) resulted in the famines that contributed to China's current restrictive policies.

      Similarly, Romania's Ceausescu had a similar stance, which produced chaos instead of the expected benefits. So while it's true that people are an economic resource, there is a fine balance between economic development and population growth.

    28. Re:Poverty is the REAL issue by Princeofcups · · Score: 1

      Is a man who dedicates half his fortune to curing a major cause of death in the third world to establish his good name really any worse than the man who does same for purely altruistic reasons? The money's the same, after all.

      It is no worse. It is just as bad. Isn't that reason enough? And no, there is no "altruism" involved. That implies some sense of compassion. It is just a standard foundation tax dodge to hide the money so that when he dies to pass the money on to his kids it can't be taxed. And yes I have a friend who married a trust fund baby who's family did this very thing.

      It's a damn sight easier to eliminate a disease than to eliminate poverty. If they have more bodies available to work, then the economy will pick up. Baby steps.

      You are assuming a 1st world economy where food is plentiful and jobs are based on services. Without enough good farmland, money to produce more (and destroy virgin forest in the process), and people to farm it to feed the young, there will be serious starvation. This has already happened over and over again.

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    29. Re:Poverty is the REAL issue by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Yes. As a one-time microbiologist/geneticist that worked for CDC (I was on the ground floor of HIV in 1980-1982; I know at least some of the things that the band played on really missed), I KNOW a bit about malaria. However, I recall polio and small pox. Small Pox is not out in the wild, while polio WAS gone from the west (it no longer is). However, nature moves in with new diseases. Even now, Polio is making its rounds back to the west because we are not vaccinating 100%. Part of that is caused by idiots that scream that vaccinations harm their kids. But the other real and the larger part of that, is lack of money. Basically, POVERTY.

      The fact is, that once you get rid of malaria, another disease is already there putting pressure on the population. Unless there is an economic plan IN PLACE AND PROGRESSING, then solving one disease will simply increase the population pressures quickly, which will make it harder to put in place an economic change.

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  6. "Licensed and Rolled Out" by GeneralTurgidson · · Score: 2

    A vaccine which could save almost a million lives should be donated to humanity.

    1. Re:"Licensed and Rolled Out" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who the hell would develop it then? You may not like it but this research costs real money.

    2. Re:"Licensed and Rolled Out" by tverbeek · · Score: 0

      There's this concept that's been catching on in (most of) the civilized world for the past few millennia called "government". It typically collects money from individuals and pools it to be spent on things that address the greater good of humanity.

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    3. Re:"Licensed and Rolled Out" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's this concept call "thinking" that has been catching on. You ought to try it sometime. Contrary to your moronic statement, governments do not spend money on things "for the greater good of humanity". They spend money on things that are good for their nation. How much money do you think that the countries affected by malaria have to spend on developing a vaccine for malaria?

    4. Re:"Licensed and Rolled Out" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever heard of the UN, fucktard?

    5. Re:"Licensed and Rolled Out" by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      The governments of the nations that need it the most didn't do or pay for the research and tend to not have the money for it.
      Funny but odds are that Bill Gates will pay a large amount of the cost. Makes me want to forgive him for AmigaBasic being full of bugs, all those years of DOS and Windows, and even Windows ME. I will bet you the license will cost next to nothing for any company in those nations.
      Oh and here is a concept that is catching on for a few millennia, Charity "http://path.org/donate/index.php" Instead of complaining that the government should take your money from you to do good works you can just do it yourself. The government will even cut your taxes to encourage you to choose this.

      I am so sick of the answer "THEY" should do this or that. If you think that this should be done here is a way to do it. "http://path.org/donate/index.php" so pony up.

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    6. Re:"Licensed and Rolled Out" by kevinNCSU · · Score: 1

      There's this concept call "thinking" that has been catching on. You ought to try it sometime. Contrary to your moronic statement, governments do not spend money on things "for the greater good of humanity". They spend money on things that are good for their nation. How much money do you think that the countries affected by malaria have to spend on developing a vaccine for malaria?

      If only there were some sort of organized union of nations that each paid towards operating costs in order to work on world issues of security, health and economic development.

    7. Re:"Licensed and Rolled Out" by tverbeek · · Score: 0

      I'm not complaining that the government should do it, just suggesting that looking to soulless corporations (who already have my money) to do it was even stupider.

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    8. Re:"Licensed and Rolled Out" by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Funny but Bill "The Borg" Gates made all that money from a soulless corporation. IMHO he found is humanity when he became a father. That does seem to happen a lot from my observation.

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    9. Re:"Licensed and Rolled Out" by SoftwareArtist · · Score: 2
      That's basically what they're doing. From Reuters:

      The company has previously said it would charge only the cost of manufacturing it plus a 5 percent mark-up, which would be reinvested into tropical disease research. "We are not going to make any money from this project," Witty said.

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    10. Re:"Licensed and Rolled Out" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you really are fucking dense arent you?

  7. Sickle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it Sickle Cell?

  8. Child vaccine by flyingfsck · · Score: 0

    Africa needs an effective vaccine against babies more than a vaccine against mosquitoes.

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    1. Re:Child vaccine by timeOday · · Score: 5, Informative
      Boy did you walk into that one!

      One of the Gates Foundation biggest health initiatives is family planning.

      Family Planning Overview

      Family planning saves lives.

      One of the most cost-effective public health interventions available today is family planning. Voluntary family planning is a critical lifesaving intervention that can significantly improve the health of women and their families.

      Through family planning:

      • Maternal mortality is reduced. Family planning could prevent up to one third of all maternal deaths by allowing women to delay motherhood, space births, avoid unintended pregnancies and unsafe abortions, and stop childbearing when they have reached their desired family size.
      • Deaths and illness among young women are reduced. Pregnancy is the leading cause of death for women under 19, with complications of childbirth and unsafe abortion being the major factors. Adolescents aged 15 to 19 are twice as likely to die in childbirth as those in their 20s, and girls under 15 are five times as likely to die as those in their 20s.
      • Child health and survival is improved. Reducing the number of births less than two years apart, births to very young and older women, and higher-order births, family planning lowers child and infant mortality. For example, if women spaced their births at least 36 months apart, almost 3 million deaths to children under age 5 could be averted.

        ...

      Seriously, they get it. Enough that they are drawing the ire of certain other groups, for what it's worth.

    2. Re:Child vaccine by tverbeek · · Score: 0

      Yeah, most people would be ashamed to post something so fucking stupid.

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    3. Re:Child vaccine by maroberts · · Score: 2

      Africa needs an effective vaccine against babies more than a vaccine against mosquitoes.

      The two are related; people have more babies when they are aware that many of their offspring may not survive till adulthood. They will generally have less if the chances that their children will survive are greater.

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    4. Re:Child vaccine by tverbeek · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When people that insane are against you, there's a good chance you're doing something right.

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    5. Re:Child vaccine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But he still suckered you in, troll bate.

    6. Re:Child vaccine by Princeofcups · · Score: 1

      VOLUNTARY family planning. When has that EVER worked in a poor heavily Catholic or Muslim country?

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  9. Incredible Result by Covalent · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Malaria is incredibly resistant to both the immune system and treatment. This is an impressive result.

    And as for all of the "Won't this lead to overpopulation" comments, I think it will do the opposite. Birth rates in malaria areas are very high in part because of the poverty and lack of education in those areas. Those areas are poor in part because of malaria and its ability to ravage families. There may be an initial population spike from this vaccine, but time and again we have seen that increasing the standard of living lowers the birth rate. The best way to control overpopulation is to reduce poverty and educate people (specifically women). This vaccine goes a long way to doing both.

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    1. Re:Incredible Result by swb · · Score: 1

      So which lowers birth rates, increased economic standards of living or relief from the disease pressure of malaria? I also don't see where preventing malaria increases education, women's or anyone else's, or reduces poverty by any direct means.

      I think this is great for people who live in malarial areas as a means to reduce misery, but I think there's a lot of weak conclusions drawn about the larger impact of reducing malaria, especially in the face of endemic poverty, political instability, political repression and in many cases, rampant tribalism.

      I'm not sure it will greatly increase population pressures, but I also don't think it will do much to help them and overpopulation (7 Billion and counting) is a real problem.

    2. Re:Incredible Result by kkwst2 · · Score: 1

      Well, for one, a huge amount of resources now are spent by humanitarian organizations in treating and fighting malaria. If this puts a significant dent in that, some of the expense and effort put into fighting malaria can be used for education, training, building infrastructure, etc.

    3. Re:Incredible Result by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it's reasonably possible that all your children will die if you get only x children, then people will have x+1 children or more. Curing diseases reduces x, so people don't have to have as many children to be reasonably sure of having surviving children. Any way to reduce x is helping, both in reducing deaths and in reducing population.

    4. Re:Incredible Result by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Children with malaria don't go to school. Siblings of children with malaria stay home and take care of their siblings. And if one of the parents gets malaria?

      There is a very real loss of education and economic growth here, not to mention all

    5. Re:Incredible Result by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Posting AC for this, not trolling. Those areas are already over populated, the best way to combat it would be to stop feeding them. Education doesn't work in america, why should it work in Africa?

    6. Re:Incredible Result by j-beda · · Score: 1

      Children with malaria don't go to school. Siblings of children with malaria stay home and take care of their siblings. And if one of the parents gets malaria?

      There is a very real loss of education and economic growth here, not to mention all

      very good points

    7. Re:Incredible Result by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      You're a school age child, particularly a girl. Your family is better off than some, and you have a chance to go to school. Someone in your family gets sick. Now you either have to stay home and care for him or her, or you have to stay home and do his job. Perhaps he recovers, perhaps he doesn't. Either way, you're probably not going back to school.

      Maybe it's you that's sick. Same effect. Malaria doesn't just kill instantly, it makes you sick for an extended period of time. If you recover you often suffer periodic recurrences.

      The conclusions about standards of living and education going up (and population growth going down) when disease is eliminated are based on hundreds of years of observation. The other problems you mentioned, poverty, instability, repression and tribalism also tend to be alleviated with a healthier population.

    8. Re:Incredible Result by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you connect malaria to overpopulation?
      I don't know about you but those babies dying of malaria didn't get a chance to pick what area they want to be born in otherwise they wouldn't pick the area where there is malaria. Did you get that chance? do you consider malaria as a measure to control population by killing innocent babies? Sick..
      If you have children, niece, nephew, grand children look at then and contemplate your comment, they also could have been born in those area! want to change your comment? apologize maybe?

    9. Re:Incredible Result by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One reason for high birth rate in poverty stricken areas is high mortality of the young. To ensure some children survive to adulthood, you have lots of them. When most children survive to adulthood, there isn't a strong need for lots of kids for 'insurance'.

    10. Re:Incredible Result by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The author of the article left out the fact this only had a 47% success rate, for the vaccine to be considered commercially viable it has be over or at 90%.. The researchers may want to rethink about the 2015 deadline. There probably is going to be some mutation and or the vaccine itself causes some type of defect or damage to the person body. They seem to be rushing this, I totally understand the need for this vaccine, but they should be closely monitor all the subjects for the unknowns that often come with modern medicine.

  10. Re:good or bad? by WindBourne · · Score: 1, Troll

    It will not. Ppl as a whole, do what brings them pleasure. When you do not have a job or money, then you spend your time focused on roughly one thing: sex. Now, when nations are controlled by roman catholics, islam, mormons, etc, or you have idiots like reagan and W that say no money to BC, well, you end up with a high birth rate.

    If gates REALLY wanted to solve humanities ills, then he would focus on doing large numbers of INNOVATIVE start-ups all over the world. In return, he would require a number of small items: executives earn no more than say 10x what the bottom person earns; The company must invest 1% of revenues to local non-governmental, non-religious charities and 2% of profits to local hospitals, schools, etc;

    By doing that, Gates would get a multiplier effect while re-starting the global economy.

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  11. Re:good or bad? by exploder · · Score: 1

    Good or bad that babies (somewhere else, conveniently) are dying? Is that the question? Fuck you.

    (I wish I thought this guy was a troll.)

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  12. Re:Just what we need, more 3rd world children by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they can't feed themselves then curing malaria is irrelevant to population growth in the third world and will only benefit that proportionally tiny amount of malarial infections of people in the developed world. So you should be happy anyway.

    Troll rebuffed.

  13. Re:good or bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Agreed on W, but Reagan really didn't attack birth control while in office.

    Then again, if you are still using "ppl" in a slashdot post, little things like facts don't bother you.

  14. The European Union could learn from this by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 1

    If we vaccinate humans, we can fight a disease with immunity. But we won't vaccinate cattle. Rather than fight the diseases, we gladly slaughter our entire fauna, but won't fight the diseases.

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    1. Re:The European Union could learn from this by jpstanle · · Score: 1

      Huh? Is malaria infection a big problem with European cattle? Is there some other disease ravaging European cattle herds that could easily be prevented with a vaccine that isn't used?

      I don't quite understand what point you are trying to get across. Could you clarify?

    2. Re:The European Union could learn from this by rvw · · Score: 1

      Huh? Is malaria infection a big problem with European cattle? Is there some other disease ravaging European cattle herds that could easily be prevented with a vaccine that isn't used?

      I don't quite understand what point you are trying to get across. Could you clarify?

      Not malaria, but diseases like Q-fever and pig plague/swine fever do have vaccins. For some reason they don't want to vaccinate, and thus they kill the complete stock. I believe using the vaccine results in not being able to get a clear picture of the disease, where is spreads, if it stops, etc.

  15. Africans immune to malaria by Compaqt · · Score: 2

    I was going to say, aren't Africans immune to malaria? But wiki sayeth: apparently only a third of sub-Saharan Africans are immune to malaria.

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    1. Re:Africans immune to malaria by tverbeek · · Score: 0

      Where on earth would you get the idea that Africans were immune? Did you think that it was only killing hundreds of thousands of Europeans and Asians per year in Africa?

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    2. Re:Africans immune to malaria by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2

      In the happy side effect camp, the "immunity" to malaria involves sickle cell anemia which has its own huge set of problems. If you end malaria, then you also end natural selection for sickle cell and make their whole society healthier in the long term.

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    3. Re:Africans immune to malaria by Compaqt · · Score: 1

      >Where on earth would you get the idea that Africans were immune?

      Am I missing something? The reference is right there in the post you responded to.

      I thought it was well known that Africans who have sick-cell anemia have the upside of being immune to malaria. What I didn't know is that not all Africans have this immunity, which I luckily checked before posting.

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    4. Re:Africans immune to malaria by kkwst2 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you are missing that your comment demonstrated an astounding combination of ignorance and lack of reading comprehension. Sickle cell TRAIT (heterozygotes) makes you resistant, not immune, to malaria. Sickle cell anemia (homozygotes) makes you die early (and generally have a painful and debilitating life before that without treatment). Says so right in the article you linked to. And to not know that nearly a million Africans are dying from malaria each year is remarkable.

    5. Re:Africans immune to malaria by tverbeek · · Score: 0

      Where on earth would you get the idea that all Africans have sickle cell anemia? And again I ask: Who did you think all those reports about the horrible death toll due to malaria in Africa were talking about?

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    6. Re:Africans immune to malaria by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who modded the guy who has to check wiki to unlearn his ignorant assumptions about malaria as "interesting"?

  16. Health Care in Emerging Markets by retroworks · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Malaria kills about 2414 people per day. But the number one cause of death for women in places like Lagos and Cairo is blood loss during childbirth. The West's invention of a malaria vaccine will be hugely important. But in the meantime, during Cohen's 24 years of working on the vaccines, the west has criminalized the sale of surplus property from USA hospitals to emerging markets. Shredding our own surplus property causes our health care costs to go up, and forces emerging markets to buy brand new equipment they cannot afford, which takes money they need - to buy malaria vaccines. They need computers and need basic things like hospital beds. Here is a link to a story which ran yesterday, that "medical waste" was illegally shipped to Brazil. Had the story translated... it was uniforms and beds. The message is that Western hospitals cannot share surplus property - computers, blood gas analyzers, or beds - with emerging markets. By coincidence, 24 years ago I lived in Africa as a Peace Corps volunteer, and had to dig a grave for a colleagues two year old son. I kept links there and have been trying to help the hospitals during the same 24 years. During the past 24 years, while Cohen perfected his vaccine, donations of surplus property to hospitals in Africa has been criminalized. Sometimes simple things, like donating hospital beds, can save as many people over the period as a new vaccine. The system is sick. http://retroworks.blogspot.com/2011/10/headline-medical-waste-exported-to.html

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    1. Re:Health Care in Emerging Markets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As byzantine as some laws are I suspect the goal is to prevent the spread of disease by preventing contaminated bedding/linens from being sent to a country ill prepared for it. Sure some stuff that is useful is barred by this, but you also prevent the introduction of e.g. multi-drug resistant TB to a country ill equipped to handle it.

  17. Will it work in mosquitos? by beh · · Score: 1

    Unlikely, but, would it be possible to design it in a way that it works in mosquitoes as well? (So, that the mosquito might possibly get the antibodies as well?)

    If oral vaccination works for polio in humans - would it be possible to design an oral vaccination that might help eradicate the Malaria pathogens in mosquitoes? (i.e. can we 'cure' the mosquitoes before they bite us again?)

    1. Re:Will it work in mosquitos? by tverbeek · · Score: 0

      It works by triggering the human immune system. I can't imagine that mosquitoes have anything resembling that to work with.

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    2. Re:Will it work in mosquitos? by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

      can we 'cure' the mosquitoes before they bite us again?

      We can introduce male mosquito genetically altered to have glow in the dark genes. This would help to eradicate the species of mosquito that caries malaria.

      http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/life/genetic/gm-mosquito.htm

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    3. Re:Will it work in mosquitos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if you can completely swamp the population with your engineered males. Any members of the population that remain glow-gene free will just become the new race of malaria mosquitos. You'd have to get this population below sustainable density for it to work. I don't see it working. Maybe engineering an infectious mosquito disease that attacks larva, but engineering diseases is a big can of worms.

      The article you link actually talks about making *stronger* mosquitos that both outcompete the normal strain and are immune to the malaria parasite. That's different - they will naturally tend to displace the malarial sub-population of that species of mosquitos. You could even throw in a weakness that they normally don't encounter in the wild that will let you wipe them out later if you want.

    4. Re:Will it work in mosquitos? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      There has been some work on vaccinating mosquitos. It was posted on Slashdot a few years ago.

    5. Re:Will it work in mosquitos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not trolling, that's explaining basic biology a lot more politely than the idiot deserved,

    6. Re:Will it work in mosquitos? by beh · · Score: 1

      Dear anonymous coward: Am I really an idiot for asking whether something is being researched?

      If there are pathogens that can jump species - like bird flu - why should it be impossible to make the opposite work, a vaccine that can jump species?

      Look at the various plans that are being discussed in different places:

        - vaccination of humans - doesn't solve the problem in the long term, as it would require constant re-vaccination of new generations of children.
        - there's Myrvold's mosquito-zapping laser - is it a permanent solution? No - only permanent in that it will take permanent sales of new units over time, once the old ones die. (Perfect moneyspinner, though - for the "long" term).
      - exterminating the mosquitoes - possible, but unlikely that that will succeed, and incalculable in terms of further damage to the ecosystems (what about animals that might live off mosquitoes, and animals living of those? Or is the mosquito really the top-of-the-line predator)?

      The best solution, it seems would most likely be to eradicate the disease itself - which will also require that the pathogen be purged from mosquitoes as well. This is not a quick fix, but it will take a very long time - still somehow I think developing a vaccine that might work on mosquitoes will be very, very difficult, but it might just open a good possibility of getting rid of the disease.

      Vaccinating mosquitoes themselves is going to be very difficult - I doubt you'll find a way of getting them to line up for the vaccine; so is there a possibility of making a vaccine that might jump from one of the mosquitoes prey (humans or animals) to the mosquitoes as carriers? If we find a single species with a 'manageable' number of creatures to be vaccinated that would in turn over time help to vaccinate all the mosquitoes as well?

      This may be sci-fi right now, but given that we have both
        - vaccinations that can be delivered orally (like polio vaccines), and
        - pathogens that CAN jump species

      IS there a way that both could be combined, to make a vaccine that will make it up the food chain, to get mosquitoes to suck up the vaccine WITH the blood of its prey?

      However unlikely it may be - has such a way been investigated as a possibility?
       

  18. Re:good or bad? by dragonhunter21 · · Score: 2

    The reason they have so many kids is because infant mortality is so high. They have to have six kids just to make sure that one of them survives to adulthood.

    We've seen in other countries that as quality of life improves, birth rate drops. This is a solid first step towards improving the quality of life.

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  19. Re:Just what we need, more 3rd world children by retroworks · · Score: 2

    Written by a troll on a computer with a hard drive engineered in Singapore. Fifty years ago, Singapore was a malaria pit. Today it has hospitals which rival anything in the West. And they engineer hard drives used to write crap about people who will be engineers and software designers fifty years from today if we allow free and fair trade to run its course.

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  20. Re:good or bad? by Kjella · · Score: 1

    It will not. Ppl as a whole, do what brings them pleasure. When you do not have a job or money, then you spend your time focused on roughly one thing: sex. Now, when nations are controlled by roman catholics, islam, mormons, etc, or you have idiots like reagan and W that say no money to BC, well, you end up with a high birth rate.

    Though only a few would seriously have the ten kids they'd have if they just kept fucking and fucking with no birth control. So in practice the disconnect between having sex and having kids has already happened. The only battleground is where this not-for-reproduction sex happens. Most that practically deal with teenagers have quietly added "but if you do anyway use protection so you don't get pregnant or catch an STD" in additon to the puritan bullshit.

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  21. Re:good or bad? by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    My boss's boss worked for reagan. I seriously doubt that you had anything to do with reagan or know even a fraction of what transpired under him. reagan DID attack BC. In fact, reagan did a lot of things that so few realize.

    Nice ad hominem from a coward.

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  22. What's the hold up? by slasho81 · · Score: 1

    Why 2015? What's taking 3 years?

    1. Re:What's the hold up? by Lockyy · · Score: 1

      Production of vast amounts of vaccine won't be quick, nor cheap.

  23. Re:good or bad? by jellomizer · · Score: 2

    Exactly there is actually a problem in some "First World Countries" that their population is dropping. Because their lives are not so filled with death, they feel they have the time to wait to have a child when it is the most convent or not at all, and limit their children to 1 or 2.

    Of course there is this funny concept that these countries at the same time complain both about their population from birth dropping being a bad thing, and the population influx from immigrants being a bad thing as well.

    I guess population growth is only good for these countries if you are white.

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  24. Oh, come on now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get over yourself. World population needs some trimming.

    Take the safety labels off everything, I say.

  25. It's a really horrible question to have to ask... by pev · · Score: 1

    I was under the impression that most African countries that have the highest incidences of death by Malaria roughly correlate to the countries that also have death via famine. If that is the case, where's the food coming from for the extra 390,000 people that won't be dying every year? Will they just end up dying of starvation instead?

  26. Gates already has a good name by Shivetya · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Some times the pathetic attitude of people here really disappoints me.

    Even with his billions he can't lift the world out of recession, he has the same hamstring everyone does, government. How do you propose solving government induced poverty? Spend his billions trying to overthrow petty tyrants? How do you expect him to sort out which start ups have a possibility at success let alone are not scams or will simply succumb to the corrupt governments of the countries they are in?

    You seem to ascribe a lot of guilt to one man who actually is trying do good. Did you ever consider that he has evaluated his options and is taking the choice that provides the best bang for the buck?

    What are you doing, please don't say that since you don't have X amount of money you cannot help.

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    1. Re:Gates already has a good name by kkwst2 · · Score: 2

      Well I'm over 35, have met him, and don't think he's an asshole. I'd hang out with him over Steve Jobs (RIP) any day. His egocentricity does not approach that of what Jobs was. He is giving away his money. He already has. You appear to not like how he's using it, but it doesn't take away from the fact that he's giving away hundreds of millions to different research groups and charities.

    2. Re:Gates already has a good name by WindBourne · · Score: 3, Insightful

      First off, I am 52 and have known plenty of ppl that have worked closely with him. Gates has a well earn reputation as being an asshole esp. in Seattle (and yes, jobs is supposed to have been quite a bit meaner; not an ellison, but up there).

      It is HIS money. He can spend it the way that he sees fit. HOWEVER, just as America's efforts on Africa for the last 60 years have hardly paid off. We never solved the real issue which is POVERTY. We gave them free food which in turn, took local farmers out of work. How can you compete with FREE food? YOu can not. Gate's solution is the same way. he will solve one problem, but it will only increase the other issues: population increases without monetary increases.

      The only workable solution is to help them start businesses and build up infrastructures such as hospitals and schools. Mostly schools.

      Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. teach a man to fish, you feed him and his kin for life. If nothing else, look at how much good we did in Europe, Japan, and south korea with marshal plan and then later in China with our current stuff. Europe was brought back to life after being devasted in WWII by working closely with them. By the 70's, they Europe, japan were on their feet. SK has come into their own over the last 2 decades.
      China is a different issue. We sought to do the same, but Chinese leaders are in a cold war with the west, which is why we are going to have to do something soon. The best thing that we can do with Africa and South America is help them expand economically.

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    3. Re:Gates already has a good name by Vellmont · · Score: 1


      Gate's solution is the same way. he will solve one problem, but it will only increase the other issues: population increases without monetary increases.

      Sheesh. You'd think the guy was pissing on your lawn. Has it ever occurred to you that death (especially childhood death) is extremely costly? Costly emotionally, costly financially, costly economically, and costly spiritually. In many of these poor countries a couple has to have many children to guarantee a couple of them survive to adulthood. Having them die early only causes people to have more children, (so they can increase odds of childhood survival). A childs death only puts a greater strain on the family, in all the ways I just mentioned. Avoiding that death in the first place can lead to couples having to have less children, and less financial strain.

      Think about the amount of resources that go to keeping a child healthy and raising it to adulthood. Food, medicine, education, shelter. All that goes to waste when the child dies before reaching adulthood. The obvious (and terrible) consequence is to the family and friends of that child who died. The hidden consequence is to the society. All that went into the child is wasted when the child dies.

      As far as "only solving one problem", you're right. But so what? Poverty comes from multiple sources, one of which is early death.

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  27. Will a successful vaccine create new problems? by RNLockwood · · Score: 2

    If this really works and is widely deployed then governments need to figure out how to clothe, feed, educate, and find jobs for the the increased population. If not the increase of disadvantaged persons will probably breed civil unrest and war.

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    1. Re:Will a successful vaccine create new problems? by mjr167 · · Score: 1

      So I suppose we should just nuke Africa because those people aren't worth saving?

    2. Re:Will a successful vaccine create new problems? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What africa really needs is less Africans. Those niggers are incapable of doing anything productive themselves. As evidenced by their lack of economic progress in the face of abundant natural resources. Seriously, has anything good been invented there since ancient times?

    3. Re:Will a successful vaccine create new problems? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe one of the people who would otherwise have died of malaria will be the one to figure out how to feed, clothe, educate, and employ the increased population. Maybe they'll even figure out how to feed, clothe, educate, and employ those of us who live in the West.

    4. Re:Will a successful vaccine create new problems? by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      We could just nuke them from orbit.

      Malaria doesn't just kill you right there and then. It can produce a life time of sickness. Victims of Malaria can now work as hard as healthy people. Cutting the number of not just deaths but infections will free up resources that got to treatment now plus create new resources of healthy people to feed, educate, and clothe those nations. Hopefully. The problem will still be those "groups" of armed idiots and corrupt governments.

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    5. Re:Will a successful vaccine create new problems? by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      You do know that is an equally good argument to ban abortion and birth control. Just saying that it isn't a great argument in the form you presented.

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    6. Re:Will a successful vaccine create new problems? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not at all, the point is that more resources will be needed down the line.if the vaccine is both effective and popular and "we" had better plan ahead for this.

    7. Re:Will a successful vaccine create new problems? by zephvark · · Score: 1

      We can only hope. Most of the problem is the governments, which tend to exist to reap the citizens for the benefit of Dear Leader.

  28. Vaccines != Antibiotics by maroberts · · Score: 1

    True but vaccines train the body to recognise markers so one presumes that a strain of malaria may arise without the markers that are recognised.

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    1. Re:Vaccines != Antibiotics by mlush · · Score: 1

      True but vaccines train the body to recognise markers so one presumes that a strain of malaria may arise without the markers that are recognised.

      Possibly, the big achievement is find anything to target. malarias coat proteins are highly polymorphic to better avoid the immune system and all the stable stuff is hidden under the coat protein.

      If a resistant strain does become prevalent it should be possible to create a vaccine against that

  29. MALARIA CURE DISCOVERED!!! by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

    Pliny knew you could cure malaria by drinking tea made from olive leaf. It is not an accident that 75% of all medications are derived or synthesized from natural sources.

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  30. Gates Foundation is selfserving by arcite · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Do some research on how they invest their funds; the corporations where they hold their monies; the entire charity is a tax shelter, a self-serving monument to one man's ego. If this drug were truly revolutionary, it would be released for free and made available to the generic drug makers.

    1. Re:Gates Foundation is selfserving by mcmonkey · · Score: 1

      Do some research on how they invest their funds; the corporations where they hold their monies; the entire charity is a tax shelter, a self-serving monument to one man's ego. If this drug were truly revolutionary, it would be released for free and made available to the generic drug makers.

      If it was released for free, you'd just come back and say they'd charge for it if it was worth anything.

  31. Wow that such a scam is allowed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is sickening. So someone has created and will be "licensing" a vaccine to very poor third world countries for something that can be eradicated with proper nutrition and hygiene. Completely and totally unethical. The stupidity and greed needs to stop. Ranks right up there with Paul Offit's diarrhea vaccine.

  32. Re:good or bad? by j-pimp · · Score: 1

    My boss's boss worked for reagan. I seriously doubt that you had anything to do with reagan or know even a fraction of what transpired under him. reagan DID attack BC. In fact, reagan did a lot of things that so few realize.

    Care to cite something he did that was anti-BC?

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  33. They don't need a vaccine. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A little self-discipline goes a long way.

  34. Re:Do some research by bws111 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You're an idiot. Which is better? A foundation that invests in things that make money, and can therefore give the profits of those investments to charities for an extended period of time (forever, if the investments are good), or a foundation that gives away all it's worth at once?

  35. Re:It's a really horrible question to have to ask. by rvw · · Score: 2

    I was under the impression that most African countries that have the highest incidences of death by Malaria roughly correlate to the countries that also have death via famine. If that is the case, where's the food coming from for the extra 390,000 people that won't be dying every year? Will they just end up dying of starvation instead?

    If a woman gives birth to a child that dies, that's a big waste of human energy. Having to give birth just three times (in a lifetime) instead of five (as an example) means more time and energy for work and earning money. Plus think of the grief of the loss of those children, that has a big impact on your life, another waste of energy, even if it's quite common in Africa.

  36. Re:It's a really horrible question to have to ask. by rvw · · Score: 1

    I was under the impression that most African countries that have the highest incidences of death by Malaria roughly correlate to the countries that also have death via famine. If that is the case, where's the food coming from for the extra 390,000 people that won't be dying every year? Will they just end up dying of starvation instead?

    If a woman gives birth to a child that dies, that's a big waste of human energy. Having to give birth just three times (in a lifetime) instead of five (as an example) means more time and energy for work and earning money. Plus think of the grief of the loss of those children, that has a big impact on your life, another waste of energy, even if it's quite common in Africa.

    Plus, there are not more children born, probably only less children die. There might be a spike in the first few years however.

  37. Dont take vaccines! by xmorg · · Score: 1

    Vacines give you #$%#$% terrets! Syn#$%$#drom!
    dont take them, im not even #$%# playin.

  38. Just what we needed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...more cases of autism.

  39. Re:Do some research by h4rr4r · · Score: 0

    No matter what you do with ill gotten gains, it does not remove the original crime/sin.

  40. Re:good or bad? by slackbheep · · Score: 1

    Yeah well my uncles friends cousin worked for David Icke, Turns out Icke is really a monkey who went to space and returned with amazing powers of speech, now he wages a war against the reptilian power structure of the world in order to conquer it for his simian brothers. You can believe me, because my information is from such a highly placed source.

  41. Re:Do some research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Quick, tear the flesh from your bones to feed your children.

  42. Re:good or bad? by tmosley · · Score: 1

    Everyone fears change, not just white people.

    A hundred years ago, people feared that the US would become a Catholic nation with the influx of immigrants from Ireland and Southern Europe. Today, we don't really care if someone is Irish or Italian or whathaveyou. A hundred years from now, no-one will care if you have slightly darker skin. Hopefully they won't care about your skin color at all.

  43. healthy kids may cut poverty by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Families maynot have as many kids then. Then they put more resources behind each existing kid who grows up with a better financial outlook. this has happened time and again as developing countries have transitioned into devleoped countries.

  44. Re:Just what we need, more 3rd world children by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

    You're an idiot. The things that slow down population growth are education and women's rights. Leaving disease intact just means you have a large, poor, diseased population that has even more trouble educating itself.

  45. Half is bad by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    Knocking out the weaklings and leaving the all-stars; how is this just not a fast-track to even more resistant malaria strains? This could end up as yet another unintended consequence wreaked on Africa by (this time) well-meaning Westerners.

    1. Re:Half is bad by raygundan · · Score: 1

      It's not an antibiotic.

    2. Re:Half is bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you are very optimistic about their motives. You did catch the meaning of the "Licensing" part right. It means $$$$$$ is the motivation. And being that the vaccine is mostly going to be targeted at third world countries you will here nothing at all if it starts screwing up the unlucky recipients, and they will of course have no recourse against the manufacturer. Nice win win for Pig Pharma.

  46. Partial study results by Med-trump · · Score: 2

    There are couple of issues with the paper. 1. effect on young patients have not been analyzed. 2. The participants received exceptional medical care and therefore there was no difference between control and experimental group in terms of mortality. 3. Protection is partial unlike other vaccines. 4. It is not clear why did they publish the partial results. The associated editorial in the issue by Nicholas J. White is thought-provoking.

  47. not necessarily by publiclurker · · Score: 1

    In many cases, they have large families just to be sure that some of them will live long enough to grow up. If you can prevent childhood death, then the need to produce replacement children goes down.

  48. Re:good or bad? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1
    Lip service. The last thing a conservative politician wants is the removal of his or her wedge issues. Imagine if abortion, birth control, welfare queens all went away, evolution was made illegal to teach, and an anti-flag burning amendment was passed, and most important of all, capital gains taxes went away like 0 percent.

    What is left? To proclaim Leeburals as stupid poopypants? The wedge issues are critical when opponent castigation is the main tool of election. If the wedge issues go away, the job is much harder.

    Reagan was astute enough to know all of this, as are most Republican politicians. We've had a lot of republican administrations and congresses in my day. Ever wander why they didn't pass legislation in this regard? Cynicism or incompetence?

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    The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
  49. Re:Just what we need, more 3rd world children by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And they engineer hard drives used to write crap about people

    You don't even have the slightest idea of how a computer works, do you?