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China Says Its Internet Policies Are Open and Clear
itwbennett writes "Responding to a U.S. request to explain China's policies regarding blocking U.S. websites, China's foreign ministry said the country's Internet policies have been open and clear. 'The Chinese government encourages and actively supports the Internet's development and we also protect the freedom of expression of citizens in China,' said Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu. 'We welcome foreign companies to invest and develop here, and we will continue to foster an open policy market.' The request, filed under World Trade Organization rules, is an effort to understand the trade impact of such blocking after a number of U.S. businesses have made complaints about access to their websites in China."
Act first, apologize later is how that regime acts! They're pathetic.
Bullshit.
Its very simple and clear:
1) Say something bad about use and we throw you in a dark hole
2) Piss us off in the process and we shoot you
Done!
This morning that crazy Italian MP and now this, what the fuck is going on today with the world ???
and we also protect the freedom of expression of citizens in China
I can't even come up with a response to this.
... in that it's no secret if you engage in activities deemed to be subversive, you will disappear.
Don't be mistaken. It's the policy that is open, this says nothing about the Internet. The policy of censorship can openly the non-openness of the Internet.
The Chinese people and government have made the decision that they do not have western style freedoms such as free speech.
I say, so what? Why is it your concern? If you don't live or work in China, it doesn't affect you in any way shape or form. Why is their such much angst over something that doesn't concern you?
I say, butt out and mind your own fucking business.
In other news the United States claims it is still the land of the free.
There's too much to say, about the f*cking censorship.
Here is one I discovered recently - I cannot download Python, I can open python.org, but when heading to python.org/download, I always get a connection reset.
Since we all know this is a lie...
I'm sure this "freedom of expression" includes all Chinese citizens' right and ability to comment on Tiananmen Square. Oh wait, you'd actually need to *know* about Tiananmen Square to express how you feel about it. Seems to me freedom of expression is hollow and meaningless without a the ability to freely get at any information you want. But that's me, I guess.
The Chinese people and government have made the decision that they do not have western style freedoms such as free speech.
Actually, the Chinese people demanded those Human -- not just "Western" -- rights in Tiananmen Square in 1989. The Government sent tanks against them. Best guesses are that at least 3,000 people were murdered.
It concerns me. This is my business. All men are brothers. Those men were my brothers. Those three thousand martyrs in the cause of Freedom are "Americans" in the truest sense and finest traditions of the word. I stand ashamed that MY government has forgotten them and betrayed their sacrifice.
He put his boots up on the table and made a face. "The sig," he smirked. "You can waste your life in search of the sig."
What is the sound of 1.33 billion people laughing their little yellow asses off?
"Responding to a U.S. request to explain China's policies regarding blocking U.S. websites, China's foreign ministry said the country's Internet policies have been open and clear. '
It's open and clear that if you speak up against the Chinese government, a Party member, or a western multinational, you will be imprisoned. If you persist, you will die, the family will be billed for the execution(whether by bullet or execution truck), with possible harvesting of organs.
The Chinese government encourages and actively supports the Internet's development and we also protect the freedom of expression of citizens in China,' said Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu.
Only if it doesnt interfere with Articles 54 and 55 of the
PRC's Constitution. Then those technologies are used to bring people into compliance by force.
'We welcome foreign companies to invest and develop here, and we will continue to foster an open policy market.'
Only if they allow China's home market to copy the foreign technology or use it to more efficiently put down dissidents.
(Before you wish to mod me into oblivion, consider the actions that China has done - instead of stating that I dont understand.)
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
There factories are like the very OLD US with no safety, have to pay for on site room and board, working off the clock, and other stuff.
Can they be open about there high speed rail system?
What about the full report on that high-speed train crash?
War is Peace,
Freedom is Slavery!
Chinas' internet policies *are* open and clear! They are very open with their policies, and very clear with their policies!
Eg: Its very clear that they will block any sites they deem detrimental to the communist party, the state, the army or anything else they deem inappropriate. They are quite open with this policy. They will tell anyone who asks, and will even inform people who didn't ask. Its their *internet* that isn't open or clear, but their *internet policies* are very open and clear. Call it semantics if you like, or even pedantic, but its true. I have every expectation that is exactly what they meant.
Article 54. It is the duty of citizens of the People's Republic of China to safeguard the security, honour and interests of the motherland; they must not commit acts detrimental to the security, honour and interests of the motherland.
Article 55. It is the sacred obligation of every citizen of the People's Republic of China to defend the motherland and resist aggression. It is the honourable duty of citizens of the People's Republic of China to perform military service and join the militia in accordance with the law.
Imagine the Patriot Act on a massive dose of despotic steroids, as a Constitutional Amendment. That is Article
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
'The Chinese government encourages and actively supports the Internet's development and we also protect the freedom of expression of citizens in China,'
Translation: 'The Chinese government encourages and actively supports the Internet's development as a State-controlled and censored network and we also protect the State-monitored and scripted freedom of expression of citizens in China,'
'We welcome foreign companies to invest and develop here, and we will continue to foster an open policy market.'
Translation: 'We welcome foreign companies to invest and develop here as long as they conform to State-mandated censorship policies and anything else we care to dictate to them, and we will continue to foster the illusion of an open policy market.'
..and before any of you decide to moderate me down as a "Troll": Yes, I strongly dislike the Chinese government, and would sooner trust the word of some strung-out meth-head with the DT's than anything they would say -- and furthermore I think you're a fool if you think otherwise.
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
That excuse has been replayed so many times that it has to be written down as an official excuse of the PRC.
Likewise with China and the US. Since China hasnt left the US alone (Lenovo acquisition, CNOOC attempted acquisition, various attempts to buy influence with the Chamber of Commerce), attacks on China are fair game.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
Nope.
Whatever a government recognizes is what rights you get. All rights are "alienable". You 'deserve' nothing.
It's only what the greater education of a government agrees upon is what you get for rights. Some folks up top found the awesome trifecta to crush us with because they dare us to be "against terrorism", "Against protecting children" and your choice of a third.
Look at that Computer Black Box proposed. That's the attempt at a Grand Slam. Who knows what a Black Box records.
I know now what 2012 is, it's the collision of all this social tech tension. The Mayans nailed it to the year.
My first Journal Entry ever, in 8 years! http://slashdot.org/journal/365947/aphelion-scifi-fantasy-horror-poetry-webzine
Inflation not just hit all cities in china, but also villages too. From my visit to my hometown, I noticed that one kilogram of eggs, last year, was 4 yuans. Now it is 10 yuans. When my wife was in high school, an egg roll snack would cost 2.5 yuans. Now it is 6 yuans. I fully support Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu as she is looking out for the interests of Chinese citizens. I am proud of China for what it is - capitalistic, energetic, and full of opportunities.
What is the sound of 1.33 billion people laughing their little yellow asses off?
Nope, it is 1.4 billion people laughing off. Perhaps you need to catch up with news fast.
The policies are open but not their Internets
Why does the Chinese government need to make internet access open for US companies? Did I miss the headline about China becoming another US state or is China still a sovereign nation free to make up its own policies?
"America, fuck yeah! Coming again, to save the mother fucking day yeah!"
I watched Tiananmen as it happened, so yes, it made an impression. As for the others, you'd see a radically different world if I were in charge. :-)
He put his boots up on the table and made a face. "The sig," he smirked. "You can waste your life in search of the sig."
Up is Down, Right is Left, Black is White.
Notice any resemblance to the current administration...?
This is part of the reason why the internet here in America needs to be officially declared as a utility, much like the telephone, so that companies and the government are unable to filter or censor it, or to give certain companies advantages over others in what travels across it.
Seriously, the internet is in 75+% of homes by now. I bet when the telephone was considered a utility, it was still in far fewer homes than that. What's the difference?
Widget salesman says widgets are great.
All the nations engage in censorship. It doesn't justify it, but what's the difference between:
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
They don't "protect" a damn thing.
If you support free expression of the people, STOP FUCKING WITH THEIR INTERNET.
Obviously if they said or posted something, THATS THEIR FREE EXPRESSION.
Oh why are the slit eyed nations so focused on doublespeak and oppression. Pitiful.
It's the opposite of clear, even the ISPs have trouble telling the difference between a network outage and governmental interference. We quite often call them up to get them to help us identify what the issue is.
The only reason I can see they are doing this subtle blocking is to make the local population believe that these foreign services are unreliable. When I first got here, it was common opinion that google docs was unreliable, slow and had many outages (something thats just not true). A short list of other ones: Amazon AWS - blocked in 20 minute segments several times a week. gmail being throttled so that it is excessively slow. gmail being blocked. Google search terms (nothing sensitive) being blocked. VPN ports being throttled (and or blocked). The only style of VPN that seems to reliably work here is OpenVPN running on port 80.
of course....
The policy has been very CLEAR that anything against the party are blocked.
The Chinese goverment uses anyone and anything they want to their end. To do that, they have to be complete liars and thieves, which they are. They steal our technology, use little girls for political purposes by stealing them from their familes, and steal information from anyone to subjogate their population. There is absolutely nothing a Chinese politician can say that isn't a 100% absolute lie. Of course, then there is our politicians and the last two democratic presidents that were professional liars....
The policy is "all Internet access is censored, not open and not clear". This policy is open and clear.
I think us Americans should be more concerned about what's happening with our great democratic allies such as the French, with random censorship that would make Chairman Mao proud, than to worried about the godless commies in China.
Now perhaps my wife can go back to her country to visit her parents without getting picked up at the airport by uniformed men, or maybe her parents will be allowed to get a visa without first having to sign a document where they betray their personal beliefs.
For the unwashed masses: they happen to practice Falun Gong.
"We also protect the freedom of expression of citizens in China" - they [Chinese authorities] continue to lie blatantly. They throw regime opponents in jail, and then proclaim they protect freedom of expression. They still don't see the ridicule of their own behavior.
"Open and Clear". Reminds me of the "Fair and Balanced" claim.
Table-ized A.I.
That's not so hard. The guy in charge initially was obsessed with speed. He created difference classes of trains with matching tracks. Each class operating at a different maximum speed. Under his 10+ year watch there were no major accidents with high speeds trains.
However, his bosses were scared of his obsession for speed and had him replaced. (That's the official reason anyway - maybe someone just didn't like the guy or promised the job to their buddy.)
The new guy then goes ahead to lower the speed of the trains. How? By combining different classes of trains on the same track! This means that slower trains need to transfer to a bypass, stop and wait, while a faster class passes. You can imagine how this makes scheduling much more complicated, and hence things go horribly wrong when the right train is not at the right place at the right moment due to a minor failure elsewhere.
FYI the more recent crash in Shanghai, also mostly accident free for years, has also been placed under this new guys' watch.
Just ask any Chinese person, they will all aggree with this statement (or experience some random connection problems).
Our internet policies are open and clear... about how closed and restricting they are.
Pretty much all I have to say, since it's so damn to find a "Made in US" sticker now.
Guess this explains why my employees have set up VPN access to Google Mail for Chinese relatives? It's open and clear that Google Mail doesn't work in China 50% of the time?
"In China, we don't have software blocking Internet sites. Sometimes we have trouble accessing them. But that's a different problem." -- Yang Xiaokun, Chinese diplomat, at the 2006 Internet Governance Forum in Athens
They'll lie right to your face and expect you to believe it. They're probably so used to their own people cowering in fear of calling out government lies they actually think we will too.
China: "We also protect the freedom of expression of citizens in China".
Sure. And "The check's in the mail" and "I won't come in your mouth."
Since when did soon to be deadbeat losers start to tell the rich guys how to run their business.
Make no mistake about it, the United States will NEVER be able to pay back $14^12 (and growing) without something drastic happening.
In Chinese: 'We welcome foreign companies to invest and develop here, and we will continue to foster an open policy market.'
In English: 'We really want you to come here so that we can rip your IP off and then compete with you in your local markets with prices that are very low due to our feudal employment policies and government subsidies. In fact, Germany you are not moving enough production to China and we need you to because we haven't managed to spy on you much because your security is too good and we aren't smart enough to copy your stuff.'
Yes, for once the chinese have made a very clear and true statement, without a doubt their internet policies are open and clear:
"Whatever we don't like is banned"
Can't get clearer or more open than that