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How To Stop the Next WikiLeaks

Hugh Pickens writes "Eli Lake reports that the U.S.'s 16 intelligence agencies are using a program called SureView that makes it easier to spy on the spies and catch whistleblowers early in the act. SureView is a type of auditing software that specializes in 'behavior-based internal monitoring' that monitors the intelligence officer's computer activity. If the officer acts like a potential leaker, sending an encrypted email or using an unregistered thumb drive, the analyst might push a button and watch a screen video of the officer's last hour of work. Once a case is made that a leak might be imminent, it is checkmate: the agent is thwarted. 'Had SureView been on Bradley Manning's machine, no one would know who Bradley Manning is today,' says Ryan Szedelo, manager for Raytheon's SureView software. The intelligence community has had auditing software for years. SureView came on the market in 2002. But the programs were buggy and often prone to false positives, alerting a network administrator too often to routine behavior. 'The technology has gotten substantially better in the last year,' says Jeffrey Harris, a former head of the National Reconnaissance Office. 'The problem with audit files was it took an army of people to understand them. Now we have rule-driven systems and expert systems that help us reason through the data.'"

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  1. Stay classy! by lisaparratt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    'Had SureView been on Bradley Manning's machine, no one would know who Bradley Manning is today,'

    They say that like it's a good thing...

    1. Re:Stay classy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      From the perspective of a person who makes security software, yes, it would probably be considered a good thing that their security software stops security breaches. Undoubtedly this thread will derail into endless rants from the tinfoil hat wearers about how the evil military industrial complex is brainwashing us all, but the fact is, if you think it's a good thing for any asshole in the military to be able to walk out the door with classified information, you're an idiot. Yes, this will potentially stop whistleblower leaks, but it will also help prevent spies in our military selling secrets to the North Koreans.

    2. Re:Stay classy! by tbannist · · Score: 1

      Indeed. They might as well say "If it had been on Bradley Manning's machines, no one would know about some of the crimes we've been covering up."

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    3. Re:Stay classy! by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      No it will not.

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    4. Re:Stay classy! by lisaparratt · · Score: 2

      I read the rather more sinister implication into the statement that he would have been permanently "disappeared".

      When it comes to leaks, it's all a matter of perspective, one that Yes Minister got down pat: "That's another of those irregular verbs, isn't it? I give confidential press briefings; you leak; he's being charged under section 2A of the Official Secrets Act."

    5. Re:Stay classy! by Gideon+Wells · · Score: 1

      A good thing is relative.

      For example, Harrisburg was just assigned to be in control of an appointed person by the Governor. Powers include being able to sign the city to contracts and sell what he/she chooses.

      The idea of a governor declaring they can pick a person to be a dictator to our state capital seems bad to me. My relatives of his party see it is a good and needed thing to fight the corruption there.

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    6. Re:Stay classy! by beh · · Score: 2

      From the article:

      the analyst might push a button and watch a screen video of the officer's last hour of work

      Hmmm, so it would need 'cleverness' like a closed shell window:

      $ sleep 3600 ; cp /path/to/secret.file /mnt/thumbdrive

      Then wait half an hour, insert your thumbdrive to be mounted to the proper location; open a completely harmless (but non-work document) from it, say - an invitation to a garden party, and print it -- all the while leaving the thumbdrive mounted, so that the sleep-job can write the document in the background after in the next hour...

      Then ensure the thumbdrive is only ejected once more than an hour has passed and the file has been written.

      Nothing untoward will ever have been on your screen in the half hour before the thumb-drive access. The worst they'll see on screen is you opening a private garden party invitation to print it at the office...

      Stupid system...

    7. Re:Stay classy! by thesh0ck · · Score: 1

      There are no secrets. Nothing is so important everyone shouldnt know it.You drank the cool aid.

    8. Re:Stay classy! by Hazel+Bergeron · · Score: 1

      Please respond with your full name, address, date of birth, SSN, bank details and credit and debit card details, a summary of your medical conditions, the themes of your last five masturbatory fantasies, and what you had for breakfast.

      Nothing is so important...

    9. Re:Stay classy! by starcraftsicko · · Score: 1

      Bradley Manning's life (for one) has been destroyed by his naivete in his participation in this activity. You can not think that he really got into all of this with his eyes open.

      Had this security system been in place, Manning would have probably done a couple of years in military prison (for attempt, and for stupidity) and then been booted to civilian life. Because it was not he will spend decades in the worse conditions allowed by military law.

    10. Re:Stay classy! by mjr167 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Manning knew the consequences of leaking classified information. They make it very clear to you when you get access. It's not just a form you sign, but an hour long meeting where they go into explicit details about duties, responsibilities, and consequences. They then repeat this training on an annual basis. He may have believed he wouldn't get caught, but he had no reason to not know the seriousness of what getting caught would mean.

    11. Re:Stay classy! by Securityemo · · Score: 1

      A thought: just because it only logs one hour of screen captures doesn't mean that it only logs one hour of "events".

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    12. Re:Stay classy! by Securityemo · · Score: 1

      From the chat logs released he seems like a really emotionally unstable guy. Kind of like someone with borderline, or some other serious problem. IANAP, at all, but he doesn't come off as "normal".

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    13. Re:Stay classy! by lisaparratt · · Score: 1

      Now *that* sounds like my sort of come-on! Wouldn't want a prospective dominatrix to be ill prepared!

    14. Re:Stay classy! by kilfarsnar · · Score: 3, Interesting

      From a security perspective, yes it is a good thing. But at the same time the level of secrecy and classification has become absurd. It is undermining our democracy because the citizenry cannot find out some basic stuff that their government is doing. It is (or should be) common knowledge that the three letter agencies (and a bunch you've never heard of) spy on Americans on an ongoing basis. We can't find out just what they are doing because it is classified, and if we try to sue we have no standing because we can't prove we were spied upon because it's classified. That is absurd and Kafkaesque. These days leakers are the only way we find out about the shenanigans our agencies pull.

      On a side note "senior white house officials speaking on the condition of anonymity" leak classified material all the time. But they are never prosecuted. I wonder why.

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    15. Re:Stay classy! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      Please respond with your full name, address, date of birth, SSN, bank details and credit and debit card details, a summary of your medical conditions, the themes of your last five masturbatory fantasies, and what you had for breakfast.

      Do you understand things that are done individually and things that are done as a group?

      Government/economy is what we do as a group. My name, address, etc are what I do individually.

      Maybe if we didn't have so many secrets in the first we wouldn't need so many in the second.

      So let me give you this slight adjustment to the statement you found so perturbative:

      Nothing we do as a group should be kept secret from members of the group.

      If you were in a car with three friends, wouldn't you want to know that the other three were planning to knock over a 7/11 and kill a cop?

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    16. Re:Stay classy! by cavreader · · Score: 1

      "It is (or should be) common knowledge that the three letter agencies (and a bunch you've never heard of) spy on Americans on an ongoing basis." So you are saying all this spying is common knowledge but your next statement proclaims "We can't find out just what they are doing because it is classified", well then how in the hell did it become common knowledge? Are you just making shit up to support your own paranoid fantasies? You re-enforce this pattern further by stating "we can't prove we were spied upon because it's classified". This type of circular reasoning is just one more example of people creating their own "facts" by cherry picking facts or statements out of context . believing anything a "leaker" claims to be true without question, and creating conspiracy theories to tie all of your unsupported nonsense together in an effort to validate your world view.

    17. Re:Stay classy! by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      If you keep making this much sense I'm going to have to take you off my foes list...

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    18. Re:Stay classy! by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 1

      No offense, but I wish you and those who also believe this were dead.

      Mindless minions serving evil overlords. Holy shit there must be some really convincing arguments, oh wait they sign away all rights to information.

      CNN is so biased it's unbelievable, CIA edited CNN must be even worse!

    19. Re:Stay classy! by mjr167 · · Score: 1

      Nice leap from "knowing that your actions have consequences" to "mindless minions that deserve to die." Good to know that you oppose informed decisions so strongly.

    20. Re:Stay classy! by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      But having the ability to authorize a closed-source software to send screencaps of military computers to a remote location is such a gooooood idea. Absolutely nothing can go wrong there.

      Oh, btw, stuxnet 2 has been spotted, gathering intelligence about various networks vulnerabilities, just saying...

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    21. Re:Stay classy! by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      My first thought was that most government workstations don't run Linux, but the second and more pertinent one is that any software agent like this (I assume it is at least partially client-side) is easily bypassed with a simple Linux live CD/DVD. Boot to that and you're done. Granted that will violate your usage policy, but if you're leaking you probably don't care too much about that.

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    22. Re:Stay classy! by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      Keeping him naked and depriving him of sleep are not "standard" even for people who are suicidal. Those sort of techniques are usually part of an interrogation, not simple imprisonment awaiting trial.

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    23. Re:Stay classy! by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

      Exposing military misconduct is obviously moral behavior. A system that punishes moral behavior is immoral. It does't matter whether he knew there would be consequences. It's the consequences that are the problem.

    24. Re:Stay classy! by Bucky24 · · Score: 1

      "Where were you for the last hour? You weren't at your desk. Oh you were? Then why was your computer off? It wasn't? So then what exactly were you doing that you didn't want us to see?"

      Just saying...

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    25. Re:Stay classy! by Bucky24 · · Score: 1

      Um.... Yes I believe that people who get high security clearance have to go to meetings about it. I suspect a lot of other people do too. You seem to be confusing what parent said with "Bradly Manning was bad and shouldn't have leaked". From what I can tell parent said nothing of the sort, just that Manning knew what he was getting into. I too believe he knew what he was getting into. I hold no opinion on if it was right or not.

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    26. Re:Stay classy! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      If you keep making this much sense I'm going to have to take you off my foes list...

      You better hold off.

      It's the weekend and I'm certain to become less sensible pretty soon.

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    27. Re:Stay classy! by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      the themes of your last five masturbatory fantasies

      The heart-rate biofeedback system I trained my penis on years ago.

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    28. Re:Stay classy! by mjr167 · · Score: 1

      I trust that you know the key difference between a patriot and a traitor? It is the same difference as a Freedom Fighter and an Insurgent. Benjamin Franklin, George Washington and that lot were all traitors. Had they been caught by the British they would have been executed as traitors. Their revolution, however, was successful and thus today we call them patriots. I guarantee you that at the time British believed they were morally justified in the squashing of the insurrection and the cowardly colonials who shot from the bushes. It is too early to tell yet what history will write of Manning, but the fact is he betrayed his oath and his country. He may or may not have been "morally justified" depending on your perspective. Regardless, if you commit a crime, no matter how justified you believe it to be, you must be prepared to pay the consequences because it is still a crime.

    29. Re:Stay classy! by Raenex · · Score: 1

      No offense, but I wish you and those who also believe this were dead.

      No offense, but I wish you were dead.
      .
      .
      .
      Well, actually, I don't. I'm just trying to point out how ridiculous your comment was.

  2. Detection and rules by skgrey · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The problem is that the system is only as good as the ruleset and detection; it's the same theory behind antivirus. If you have a zero-day exploit that acts differently it's going to get through, and if you have someone that figures out a different way to capture data then the leak will happen. Can the software detect someone taking a picture of a document on the screen with their camera? Can it detect getting booted from an OS CD? Can it stop a person from telling someone what they read? This is just more window-dressing to make the people in charge feel a little safer.

    1. Re:Detection and rules by Securityemo · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but far from all people who leak data can be assumed to have technical competence. Mounting a forensics dist and just reading the data off a laptops drive is easy, but not for everyone. Also, connecting to stuff on the company intranet (by stealing the vpn key off the drive and logging in via another computer or live cd) would be mighty suspicious? And any attack where you (say) connect to the presumed VPN with a computer placed in front of the monitored one, letting it transparently forward the "legit" data back home while you connect to internal services from the one in front would also presumably be detected, unless this system doesn't correlate activity on the internal protected services also?

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  3. Recursion by GhigoRenzulli · · Score: 4, Funny

    If a spy spies a spy who spies, who spies the spy who spies the spy?

    In italian is funnier because both "spy" and "spies" translate into "spia".

    Se una spia spia una spia che spia, chi spia la spia che spia la spia?

  4. The real purpose by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    'Had SureView been on Bradley Manning's machine, no one would know who Bradley Manning is today,' says Ryan Szedelo, manager for Raytheon's SureView software.

    And nobody would have evidence of the serious crimes he told the world about. That's what they're really worried about.

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    1. Re:The real purpose by should_be_linear · · Score: 2

      And Gaddafi would be probably just fine right now, in his palace. Thats awesome technology!

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    2. Re:The real purpose by Tsingi · · Score: 1

      Good, we have the evidence, and what have we done with it?

      Nothing, of course.

      At least we can point at it and call it bullshit. They'll still deny it, but we "know" that it is. That is worth something.

    3. Re:The real purpose by starcraftsicko · · Score: 1

      And nobody would have evidence of the serious crimes he told the world about. That's what they're really worried about.

      Manning just copied everything and Wikileaks spewed it all over. The noise to signal ratio is so high in that mess that it's hard to say he told the world anything...

    4. Re:The real purpose by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      It's not hard at all, considering that in the following months there seemed to be a new story every other day saying 'previously unknown detail x revealed in wikileaks cables'.

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    5. Re:The real purpose by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      Arguably not, because anyone familiar with the history of the Vietnam War learned not to trust anything the US military said about its own operations.

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    6. Re:The real purpose by Bucky24 · · Score: 1

      How would this have prevented the uprising in Libya?

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  5. Hello Big Brother by forgot_my_username · · Score: 1

    Why are we just making it easier for skynet to take over?

  6. What many people know is no secret by Hentes · · Score: 1

    Don't give millions of government employees access to confidential documents. The Manning documents were likely already in the possession of all major powers.

    1. Re:What many people know is no secret by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 2

      Don't give millions of government employees access to confidential documents. The Manning documents were likely already in the possession of all major powers.

      That may very well be true. However, that isn't what he is really in trouble about. He's in trouble because he was instrumental in the documents being released to the public !

    2. Re:What many people know is no secret by Hentes · · Score: 1

      True, I get the feeling that leaks are only a problem when they are to the public.

  7. Another solution by Kidbro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or, you could stop committing and covering up crimes and routinely classify any and all information regardless if it's needed or not. Then nobody would feel the need to leak the things that are rightfully secret.

    Just a thought.

    1. Re:Another solution by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 1
      Maybe we could get some kind of bill of evil.

      "These acts are evil, we won't do them": At least then we'd have a hope of reacting appropriately.

      News of horrors coming out of the U.S. comes out every day and heads never seem to roll. Your country looks more and more like a fascism every day with bread and circuses fueling a bizarre patriotism that sees everyone else as inferior and less free. Even though the U.S. comes in at the lowest end of every statistic on overall quality of life (in the developed world).

      The rest of the developed world seems to be largely moving away from nationalism, the E.U. came together, the Asian nations have strong economic ties and massive immigration and emigration.

      Considering that the U.S. is multi ethnic it begs the question what are they protecting? I mean the only way the U.S. really stands out is that they're a large economy with a large military and that they're the third most conservative country in the world (behind Somalia and Israel).

      The division of church and state seems to be proceeding a pace... perhaps it's my Canadian rose coloured glasses which allow me to think that the need for division is lessening but I really just don't see the purpose. Yes the U.S. is becoming less and less relevant. Yes they are coasting on cultural superiority (which leads to success in software and hardware ventures, I.E.
      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg

      ).

      There's a thin line between suppressing madness and suppressing subversion and brilliance. I don't think the kind of people who would implement a program like this are at all capable of making those kinds of judgments. The more I imagine the culture in those kinds of places the more I pity them for the blinders they have to put on.

    2. Re:Another solution by triffid_98 · · Score: 1

      Or, you could stop committing and covering up crimes and routinely classify any and all information regardless if it's needed or not.

      What he said x 1000. Why on earth do we need to redact 80% of what gets 'declassified' in 50 year old documents and re-classify the rest? Whomevers dirty laundry this is is long since gone, but clearly your tax dollars are hard at work...

      "Washington, D.C., February 21, 2006 - The CIA and other federal agencies have secretly reclassified over 55,000 pages of records taken from the open shelves at the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA), according to a report published today on the World Wide Web by the National Security Archive at George Washington University. Matthew Aid, author of the report and a visiting fellow at the Archive, discovered this secret program through his wide-ranging research in intelligence, military, and diplomatic records at NARA and found that the CIA and military agencies have reviewed millions of pages at an unknown cost to taxpayers in order to sequester documents from collections that had been open for years."....

  8. Hmmm by Zouden · · Score: 1

    "Had SureView been on Bradley Manning's machine, no one would know who Bradley Manning is today,"
    This quote sends shivers down my spine.

    Imagine if King George III had had this kind of technology. Then no one would know who George Washington is today. Why would anybody think this is a bad thing?

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    1. Re:Hmmm by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      George Washington and the other Founders were not employees of the British government at the time of the Revolution, so this particular technology would have had no impact on them whatsoever if it was in the hands of George III.

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    2. Re:Hmmm by Domini+Canes · · Score: 1

      You are thinking in terms of current epoch..... employees shmemployees.
      Yes they were not employees, but they were subjects of the crown, and that is stronger binding that some eeezy peeezy work agreement.

    3. Re:Hmmm by starcraftsicko · · Score: 1

      Which secret documents did George Washington steal and / or publish?

    4. Re:Hmmm by denis-The-menace · · Score: 1

      None but he helped "rebel" against the king.
      In those days that was treason.

      But thanks to SureView, all his plans and "accomplices" were "dealt with"...

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    5. Re:Hmmm by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      Yes, but since they were not employees of the crown, they would not have been working on computers with this technology. I did not read the article, but from the summary (and my understanding of such software) putting this software on private computers would yield way too many false positives.

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    6. Re:Hmmm by Fned · · Score: 1

      Yes, but since they were not employees of the crown, they would not have been working on computers with this technology.

      In ten years or so, every single citizen of the UK will be working on computers with this technology.

  9. Awe, cute by ludomancer · · Score: 1

    Another fly-by-night software developer conned some tech-ignorant government institute into buying their shit-software under the guise that it would stop their latest .

    Go America! I'm sure this will work out just fine for everyone.

    1. Re:Awe, cute by NJRoadfan · · Score: 1

      Raytheon is fly-by-night?

  10. Re:What if... by masternerdguy · · Score: 1

    They'll just take you to Guantanamo and beat you until you decrypt them.

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  11. I think Dr Seuss said it best by Rogerborg · · Score: 4, Informative

    Oh, the jobs people work at!
    Out west, near Hawtch-Hawtch,
    there's a Hawtch-Hawtcher Bee-Watcher.
    His job is to watch...
    is to keep both his eyes on the lazy town bee.
    A bee that is watched will work harder, you see.

    Well... he watched and he watched.
    But, in spite of his watch,
    that bee didn't work any harder. Not Mawtch.

    So somebody said,
    "Our old-bee-watching man
    just isn't bee-watching as hard as he can.
    He ought to be watched by another Hawtch-Hawtcher!
    The thing that we need
    is a Bee-Watcher-Watcher!"

    WELL...

    The Bee-Watcher-Watcher watched the Bee-Watcher.
    He didn't watch well. So another Hawtch-Hawtcher
    had to come in as a Watch-Watcher-Watcher!
    And today all the Hawtchers who live in Hawtch-Hawtch
    are watching on Watch-Watcher-Watchering-Watch,
    Watch-Watching the Watcher who's watching the bee.
    You're not a Hawtch-Watcher. You're lucky, you see!

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    1. Re:I think Dr Seuss said it best by kibbey · · Score: 1

      Bravo!

  12. Coming soon by anti-pop-frustration · · Score: 1

    Coming soon to a corporate network near you : SureView Enterprise.

    If a worker acts like a potential human, sending a personal email, visiting an unregistered website or trying to conduct union activities on site, the analyst might push a button and watch a screen video of the officer's last hour of work. Once a case is made that something might be imminent, it is checkmate: the worker is thwarted.

    1. Re:Coming soon by thesh0ck · · Score: 2

      Most of corporate america has had this for about 10 years. I found out my old boss was using similar software like this to spy on us one day when he called me into his office with screen shots from my computer showing me looking at a tech news site and asking why I wasny working for those 5 minutes. I said, "well I am entitled 1 hour of break time per day. I never use this break time, eat lunch while working and answeing phone to be more efficient so I figured 5 minutes of looking at a job related news website would be okay." He shut up but I was horrified that hewas so paranoid. He only had 3 employees. He then installed cameras everywhere too so he could not only see what you were doing on your computer but what you were doing at your computer. This was a small comapny and we had this.. imagine what large companies have.

    2. Re:Coming soon by LurkerXXX · · Score: 1

      I work at a major hospital. Remote software commonly used for remote troubleshooting fires off quite regularly. I expect every workstation in the place has screen-shots taken. It's not an hour of video, but probably because that would be too expensive.

    3. Re:Coming soon by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 1

      There are just so many wankers on /. these days

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  13. Re:What if... by Riceballsan · · Score: 1

    Well considering it looks for things to flag people as "suspicious", I would say only sending encrypted e-mail, counts as suspicious.

  14. Was wikileaks a leak at all? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I have not read most of it, but I closely followed for a while the WL releases for the countries I am familiar with. The "leaks" were basically the reports of the embassy intelligence figurehead, and consisted exclusively of two things -- translations of rumors and newspaper articles, dutifully translated to English by hired locals, and some general political commentary, which usually closely echoed the pro-American media on the ground. Actually, considering the report dates, it seems the other way around -- the pro-US media on the ground closely echoed the points of the reports. Not a single instance of really secret, juicy information has been leaked so far, for a total of four countries, two of which are rather important.

    At the beginning, there was a lot of brouhaha about Assange and what not, so I entertained the idea that this was a real leak. But as it turned out that WL was mostly regurgitation of local news and political commentary, I am starting to seriously consider the possibility it was a controlled operation. I think that Assange and Mannings believed they were leaking important stuff, but is that all the story?

    The timing of the leaks, the amazing and sudden "galvanizing" effect they allegedly had in Africa and the Middle East, the timings of the spyops that raised the "revolutions" and the subsequent NATO military operations, etc. all seem too smooth for coincidences. I doubt WL will be the last leak of this kind we see.

  15. If you don't want the world to know... by vpaul · · Score: 2

    ...that you are a murderer, stop murdering.

  16. To stop "the next Wikileaks" by porter235 · · Score: 1

    Minimize access to sensitive docs, keep those with access happy, and most importantly, always be ethical.

  17. In the land of the "free"... by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 1

    Big Brother is watching you!

    I wonder when they make this compulsory for civilians as well?

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  18. Or we could stop doing bad stuff by assemblerex · · Score: 1

    You know, all that war, killing and hiding the truth could just end. Nah.

    1. Re:Or we could stop doing bad stuff by inviolet · · Score: 1

      You know, all that war, killing and hiding the truth could just end. Nah.

      I think the problem here is that other countries intend to continue with the dirty deeds. If we intend to fight back (i.e. the CIA), our activities must remain secret, simply because most American's cannot handle the cognitive dissonance of "there are no good guys, not even us".

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    2. Re:Or we could stop doing bad stuff by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      Yeah, no, sorry, too profitable.

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  19. Re:What if... by arkenian · · Score: 1

    I feel obliged to note that on most of the systems likely to have this sort of thing attached, encryption is nearly the default setting for e-mail, and is basically never considered a bad thing. This program isn't about e-mails and outbound comms so much as it is about what you access internally, and media writes etc.

  20. stop right there criminal scum by garlicbready · · Score: 1

    A new counter-counter-counter intelligence method is devised
    set your wallpaper to goatse people

  21. Its easy to stop the next wikileaks by Snaller · · Score: 1

    Just act like a decent moral human being. If you do "because" someone is going to blow the whistle on you.

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    1. Re:Its easy to stop the next wikileaks by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "Just act like a decent moral human being."

      History suggests doing that isn't globally competitive, however much idealists wish it were.

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  22. Who watches the Watchers? by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 1

    If the officer acts like a potential leaker, sending an encrypted email or using an unregistered thumb drive, the analyst might push a button and watch a screen video of the officer's last hour of work.

    So, then, the analyst becomes the leaker. (Or the spy that a 3rd party hires)

    A more likely senario, is that the "officer" (who is an analyst himself), plays it safe, and doesn't gather enough intel together to actually figure out what the real bad guys are doing.

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    1. Re:Who watches the Watchers? by Bucky24 · · Score: 1

      You're right! A human can't be trusted. We need more software to look over the results of this software. (sarcasm, for those of you who have trouble getting sarcasm)

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  23. Re:Whatever..... by Tsingi · · Score: 1

    +1

  24. Re:What if... by durrr · · Score: 3, Informative

    Use a VGA/DVI interception hardware device to save to external storage. People will be stuck thinking in the box so you'll have no problems whatsoever as long as you don't save or move any data "in-system".

    Please don't forget to mention how SureView is awsome and ensures 100% data security while at it to keep the blinders on.

  25. Mislieading title by mapkinase · · Score: 1

    Summary is actually about stopping leaks and the latter existed long before Assange's website. Inasmuch I am glad Manning's load became public, but for a security agency any leak-preventing policy seems a reasonable and logical step.

    The risk an insider takes to publicize the data that is prohibited from publicizing by law should be compensated for the society in case the activity he is publicizing is criminal (that is breaking other laws).

    Now, there are probably internal rules on how to fight crime inside the walls of security agency, but I am pretty sure they are not covering a lot of real situations that are not only real but actually already happened in the past.

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  26. help prevent..selling secrets to the North Koreans by fredrated · · Score: 1

    And there you have it: the North Koreans represent such a definitive immenent high level threat that we must be prepared to destroy the earth to stop them!!! By the way, where is this 'North Korea' that you speak of?

  27. Don't even need wikileaks to see righ through this by roman_mir · · Score: 2

    At the age when US president openly murders US citizens on a hunch and starts whatever war he wants, like a Boss (like a King) and the rest of the government doesn't stop him in his tracks.

    At the age when US Supreme Court doesn't see anything wrong with the federal government going way beyond its authority on pretty much every issue, every law, every regulation, every tax.

    At the age when Congress and Senate bail out banks and companies and vote to increase debt limit without ever considering the consequences.

    At the age when Federal Reserve is counterfeiting currency left right and center.

    At the age of fascism/corporatism on the top and Marxism/communism on the bottom.

    What do you need wikileaks for? Are you blind?

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    Of-course they want the specifics of their secrets to remain secrets, they are now your rulers, not your servants.

  28. Re:What if... by l00sr · · Score: 1

    I actually find it hilarious that the three-letter agencies regard sending encrypted email as 'suspicious', and then wonder why how security breaches happen...

  29. Encrypted email == warning sign by Sloppy · · Score: 1

    You know you've hopelessly fucked up, when the one guy who sends an encrypted email is suspected of being the leak.

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  30. Re:What if... by bberens · · Score: 1

    od -c /opt/supersecretprogram/binarydatafile

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  31. Re:What if... by Larryish · · Score: 1

    And what about the analog hole?

    If eyes can see it, cameras can film it.

    If ears can hear it, recording devices can record it.

  32. Military folks aren't exactly the brightest by AdamJS · · Score: 1

    Most of their leaks could probably be stopped with a very small script or service that sends out a very bright warning whenever a large file or amount of files are copied or generated.

  33. Re:Noise and Signals by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    Absolutely not true in the modern age of computers.

    Given a juicy chunk of data, a smart guy with a few software tricks will dig that info out. The power of the internet is it only takes ONE smart guy, (or gal!) and then the results are rebroadcast in sound bite form.

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  34. Scary by shawnhcorey · · Score: 1

    With Halloween coming, I should expect scary things but this, "'Had SureView been on Bradley Manning's machine, no one would know who Bradley Manning is today,' says Ryan Szedelo,..." is probably the scariest thing I'll read all month.

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  35. Re:What if... by Jiro · · Score: 1

    This isn't going to be practical for thousands of pages of documents, that would take hours of filming rather than a few seconds to copy.

  36. Ooh! And Then... "The Accident"? by Greyfox · · Score: 1
    Finding your leak isn't the fun part! It's arranging the "accident" afterwards! And then telling his parents, "We regret to inform you that your son has been killed in a FREAK AUTOEROTIC ASPHYXIATION accident, involving an inflatable goat, a tub of lube and an electric toaster! Here are what we could find of his remains..." (Delivers right nipple).

    Does SureView have a plug-in for that?

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    1. Re:Ooh! And Then... "The Accident"? by Genda · · Score: 1

      Yes they do, his name is Waldo, and if I say any more, they will find me with SureView and all anyone will ever find of me is my right nipple.

  37. Re:Don't even need wikileaks to see righ through t by roman_mir · · Score: 1

    Read my journal.

  38. Re:Whatever..... by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

    You think? Ask Abdulrahman al-Awlaki about how his US citizenship helped him.

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  39. Lemmiwinks! by daniel_i_l · · Score: 1

    A team of cats would also do the trick.

  40. How to stop the next wikileaks? by dbIII · · Score: 3, Funny

    Three Swedish girls next time.
    And two guys willing to throw everything away from the Bank of America leak.

  41. Re:What if... by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I am a federal contractor and we're required to encrypt attachments that contain 'sensitive' information. (Which isn't to say 'classified' since that's not supposed to get tossed around in the first place.) If this were rolled out in the agency I work with, everybody and their dog would be setting off this 'alarm' every hour of every day.

    Sounds like bullshit to me.

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  42. Re:What if... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    HDCP could be used to prevent this, although there are a few inline HDCP interception devices on the market. If they can monitor for the disconnection of the encrypted data stream they could prevent these from being hooked up, unless the device is turned off first, and I'd assume that any newly booted devices would have to be manually confirmed by an administrator before being allowed access to prevent such attacks.

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  43. An easier way by DrXym · · Score: 1
    Here is a simpler way to trap people who leak documents with one modified bit of data. Produce a 32 bit unique hash of the user's id and a 32 bit hash of the document. Based on the document's hash (e.g. the first char mod 32) choose and test one bit of the user's hash and if its set change just one character in the document, e.g. put an extra space in, or perhaps change a comma to a semi-colon.

    If a leak occurs do the same test for every employee with access to the document, and discard the half for whom the correct character was visible. Keep repeating for every subsequent leak, halving the group each time. It wouldn't take many documents on average to identify who the culprit was.

    1. Re:An easier way by Bucky24 · · Score: 1

      But you would have to let leaks slip through while you tried to track down the leaker. Yes, it is guaranteed to work, but I imagine any higher up in the government would freak if you said "well see you have to just let x number of leaks go so that you can find the person leaking".

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    2. Re:An easier way by DrXym · · Score: 1

      I'm not suggesting that you don't have other measures in place (e.g. triggers which flag users viewing an unusual number of documents), but if documents appear in the wild you want to track down the culprit. If someone leaked 20 documents, a small fraction of the wikileaks dump you'd likely be able to nail the person.

  44. Re:What if... by RivenAleem · · Score: 2

    Care to explain why you have so many blind people on your staff? Is it some kind of security measure?

  45. Not a good thing by jdavidb · · Score: 1

    This is sad to hear. The government reserves the right to spy on literally everybody, but will not permit itself to be observed. Who does watch the watchers, anyway?

    Like all institutions, the government is concerned mainly with perpetuating its own existence. And since the general public equates the government's existence with their security and their own existence, they tolerate all kinds of wrong deeds and imbalances of power like this.

  46. Re:Simple by cavreader · · Score: 1

    Evidently you never visited E. Germany before the wall came down or spent any time in Iran, Yemen, Syria, N. Korea, or any similar countries recently. Data mining is used by everyone not just the government. The most dangerous online groups are criminals looking to collect credit card and other information they can use in a criminal enterprise. Most of the people complaining today about privacy issues are the same morons posting their life history on Face book. If you chose to participate in today's online world don't be surprised when your information becomes public. And yes, the US government does have the ability to collect massive amounts of data being transmitted through the Internet and mobile device infrastructure but even with sophisticated mining algorithms they are limited in how much data they can truly process. If the government becomes interested in your online activities it is usually because someone has pointed them in your specific direction.

  47. Here's a thought... by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 1

    ...stop doing terrible things that are worth leaking?

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  48. Re:What if... by TheLink · · Score: 1

    There are plenty of other holes too.

    1) They talk about unregistered usb drives. If you can plug in usb devices they better make sure you can't boot off usb devices otherwise everything can be bypassed ;).

    2) "reverse ssh" outbound on port 443, or similar stuff- you can set it up with plausible deniability - victim of hack etc.

    3) Taking the hardware away for a while- worse if people are actually allowed notebook PCs.

    4) If there's firewire, this can be a big hole.

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  49. Re:What if... by Aeros · · Score: 1

    Exactly, same here. I don't know why some people think that we only send un-encrypted emails. Sure some sectors of the governments might but the majority will be using it.

  50. Re:What if... by Flyerman · · Score: 1

    They aren't blind, but yes. The dogs and their doggie-sized PCs are a security measure.

  51. Re:Simple by just_a_monkey · · Score: 1

    And this will never ever change. The government will never be able to monitor us all all the time. Therefore, we do not need to figure out a way to hinder them from monitoring us all the time.

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  52. Don't worry; this is Raytheon software ... by Squidlips · · Score: 1

    Isn't Raytheon the people who had the Patriot missile software bug? Since this software was written by a defense contractor you can rest assured that the motivation was purely profit not delivering an effective product. And all the programmers were probably laid off as soon as the project was finished (but not necessarily done).

  53. FUBAR by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    I can only imagine the bushel-baskets of false positives this cash-grab fiasco will generate. But they'll just make even more lucre trying to fix it.

    There are some chillingly anti-human corporations out there; ADM is one; Raytheon is another.

  54. Anagram by istartedi · · Score: 1

    Eli Lake is an anagram for "leak lie". Is it his real name? Too funny.

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  55. Government Intelligence... by Genda · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I know, its an oxymoron. Sadly never more than today. Our government has too many secrets. Too many bodies buried. Too many skeletons in the closet. The secrets its keeping are not in your best interest, or they'd share them with you. No, the only way to keep government in check is with transparency. When an employee of the government see's gross negligence, naked aggression, illegal activities, or profound betrayals of the Constitution or the American People, they are honor bound to make that information public, and any attempt to stop them is itself a crime against the nation. More, they should be treated as heroes, not black listed and hung out to dry or worse prosecuted.

    Time after time we hear of some government atrocity, a person of impeccable integrity looks to get redress for the perceived wrong, and is basically told its none of his business not once but time after time. Finally he has nobody left in government to speak to so he tell the media. At which point they either remains anonymous, or they get crucified.

    Now they tell us we can all be proud that our government has so wisely spent hundreds of millions of our tax dollars to plug up those nasty leaks and keep those rotten secrets, secret. Isn't that wonderful, now we can all enjoy the benefits of plausible deniability, while our rogue government bombs brown people for oil on behalf of Exxon-Mobil.

    Folks, this might be a fine time to howl at your representatives... you know, the folks who are supposed to represent us? Let them know how we feel about government transparency. We're all in this together, and if what Government is doing is obscene, immoral or just plain illegal, there's a good reason why we all should know, and that's because you shouldn't be doing it! God Bless the Whistle Blowers!!!

    Its high time we remind our Government its they who are here to serve us, and not the other way around!

  56. Now all they have to do is sell it... by Genda · · Score: 1

    Hi America... SureView... its like DEPENDS for the government. It prevents embarrassing leaks!

  57. the legacy of Dr Strangelove by epine · · Score: 1

    'The technology has gotten substantially better in the last year,' says Jeffrey Harris, a former head of the National Reconnaissance Office.

    This is what J. L. Austin analyzed as a performative: the truth lies in the fact that you said it, such as stating "I christen thee the Titanic" then smashing a bottle.

    If people fear this technology, the outcome it exists to promote automatically improves. Interesting.

    In the service of this handy performative, it's not necessary to divulge any correct information about the true workings of the program. That would be counterproduct, in fact. Best to cast your dart into the red herring suburb of vaguely truthful.

    Nice to know that our intelligence agencies actually got the Dr Strangelove memo: deterrents are more effective when you boast in public. What the horny Dr failed to mention is that your boasts need to be merely plausible--and not necessarily truthful--to have roughly the same effect.

    Maybe the program sucks at picking up the first order behaviours, but is pretty good at picking up dodges a nervous person might make concerned the program is looking over his shoulder. Wheels within wheels. You game such as system at your own peril.

    We might not have heard of Manning, but we've certainly heard of the guest facilities where the people we've never heard of are sure to end up.

  58. moral... by starcraftsicko · · Score: 1

    Exposing military misconduct is obviously moral behavior. A system that punishes moral behavior is immoral. It does't matter whether he knew there would be consequences. It's the consequences that are the problem.

    Behavior that I disagree with, which makes me uncomfortable, or that I don't like is not necessarily (or even probably) misconduct. But even if it was...

    Doing 'whatever I want' with information that I do not own after agreeing not to do so is not a moral act. Stealing information is not a moral act. Imposing my discomfort or dislikes on you; making you conform to my personal likes; is not a moral act. Trying to avoid responsibility for committing an immoral act... is not a moral act. Committing immoral acts in the hope of exposing other immoral acts seems like hypocrisy at best.

    Mr. Manning appears not to be a moral actor in this case. Any system that seeks to prevent immoral actors from acting immorally is...?

    1. Re:moral... by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

      Killing journalists, then lying to cover it up is misconduct.

    2. Re:moral... by starcraftsicko · · Score: 1

      Killing anyone - probably - is not a moral act. I propose that self righteous journalists may be the exception that proves the rule. I am certain that anyone who actually calls themselves a "journalist" deserves no protection, sympathy, or remorse.

      That said... I am aware of a video that seems to show individuals killed by a helicopter. The one or more of the individuals were probably journalists but may have looked like something else from the air (Press passes are hard to read from 1500 ft in a war zone). The killing of unidentified people by soldiers following their ROE... Well to be honest, the video makes me uncomfortable, but does not represent misconduct as far as I can determine. It sucks when that sort of thing happens.

      I am not aware of a coverup. (A coverup requires awareness by the coverors that they are covering something. Never attribute an act to malice while incompetence is still in play.) I doubt that Mr. Manning was aware of a 'coverup'.

      Committing immoral acts to expose other possibly immoral acts is... ?
       

  59. Re:Simple by cavreader · · Score: 1

    The government has always had the means to collect information on it's citizens. Tax Returns, real estate records, banking records, school registration records, public utility bills, telephone books, drivers licenses, and other information has always been available it just took longer to get it. Just like the limits and caveats included in the Freedom of Speech or Assembly the to Privacy does not translate to the right of total anonymity.

  60. Re:Don't even need wikileaks to see righ through t by Bucky24 · · Score: 1

    We need wikileaks because the things that you see are only the tip of what is going on behind closed doors.

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  61. Counter intelligence against your own people. by majesticmerc · · Score: 1

    Does all this not just amount to counter-intelligence against your own people? I mean, if the people you serve want to know, let them know! I'm not naive enough to think that everything should be available, but a lot of the stuff that has leaked has been really quite important, and evidence enough that if you think you can hide it, people will commit the most attrocious acts in the name of "serving the greater good". We're living in a time that is a horrible cross between 1984 and V for Vendetta, yet the western world seems perfectly happy to bend over and take it!

    I'd say that in a hundred years, people are going to look back on this decade as the dark ages of the information age, but we already know that now. Wikileaks was only the start.

  62. Do we forget so easily? by Dripdry · · Score: 1

    They're still out there trying stop Wikileaks (obviously), these intelligence firms. Their aims?

    Feed the fuel between the feuding groups. Disinformation. Create messages around actions of sabotage or discredit the opposing organizations. Submit fake documents and then call out the error.
      Create concern over the security of the infrastructure. Create exposure stories. If the process is believed not to be secure they are done.
      Cyber attacks against the infrastructure to get data on document submitters. This would kill the project. Since the servers are now in Sweden and France putting a team together to get access is more straightforward.
      Media campaign to push the radial and reckless nature of WikiLeaks activities. Sustain pressure. Does nothing for the fanatics, but creates concern and doubt among moderates.
      Search for leaks. Use social media to profile and identify risky behavior of employees.

    They might stop one employee, but if we all do it they won't have enough manpower to keep going. It's disobedience, and it works when enough people say,"I won't be part of this anymore."

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  63. Follow-up by Dripdry · · Score: 1

    oh, and one more thing about all this wikileaks BS.

    I've known a few fed employees who hold the line on this insanity. You know what they're afraid of losing? They don't have kids, they're aren't living in squalor or anything... they're worried about losing their FUCKING PINBALL MACHINES and their LORD OF THE RINGS COLLECTION!!!!!!

    People are shredding YOUR rights so they can have a bunch of STUPID toys! It's OBSCENE!

    I am sorry for the rant, but I feel quite strongly about this subject, and knowing some of the people who perpetrate it first hand, it makes me even sicker to see our democratic republic die for a fucking movie series. We ALL deserve better.

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  64. Re:What if... by Kagura · · Score: 1

    Use a VGA/DVI interception hardware device to save to external storage. People will be stuck thinking in the box so you'll have no problems whatsoever as long as you don't save or move any data "in-system". Please don't forget to mention how SureView is awsome and ensures 100% data security while at it to keep the blinders on.

    Wow. Pretty clever.

  65. mod parent up! by reiisi · · Score: 1

    (I have no mod points today.)

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  66. Well DOH ! by microphage · · Score: 1

    "Had SureView been on Bradley Manning's machine, no one would know who Bradley Manning is today,"

    Who is their right mind keeps such material and how can we trust to monitor such a system.

  67. That material was taken and destroyed by dbIII · · Score: 1

    The guy in Germany who left to set up his own "better" version of Wikileaks took all the leaked copies of the BOA documents with him but destroyed them instead of releasing them, and the "better" leak site never actually released anything and has gone. Unless the original leaker has copies and sends them onto somebody else we (and interested governments and law enforcement) are not going to see them.