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iPhone 4S Has Been Jailbroken, Hack Enables Siri on iPhone 4
Diggester writes "Unless their chipset has already been exploited and jailbroken on a previous device, it takes a lot of time for the iOS jailbreaking community to jailbreak for a new iOS device. The iPhone 4S and iPad 2, both of which are based on a still unexploited dual-core A5 chip, haven't received a jailbreak for iOS 5 yet. However, it appears they'll be getting one soon, as a certain eminent iPhone hacker has let us know that the iPhone 4S has jailbroken, and a jailbreak for the iPad 2 is in the works." In related news, Hackers have succeeded in bringing a limited port of Apple's new Siri voice assistant feature onto jailbroken versions of the iPhone 4 and the fourth-generation iPod touch.
I'm confused. Are we supposed to complain about having to jailbreak the 4S or whine about how dumb Siri is?
You shouldn't make these threads so complicated.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
Since there's not much of a technical reason the iPhone 4 cannot have Siri, I think a big part of why it's only on the 4s (and not even the iPad 2) is to help Apple understand server load from the service before it goes live for 100 million+ people.
I am thinking early next year Siri will be rolled out to iPhone 4 and iPad 2 owners (it may be the 3Gs is too old to handle it properly, as some audio cleanup and compression is probably done on the phone before transmission). Possibly it would even be iOS5 wide.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
meh... they want to give people a reason to upgrade to 4S from 4
Apple could've easily built a larger server farm to handle the larger load. They chose not to.
Slashdot actually allow you to skip the news you don't want to read - It takes zero clicks to be accomplished.
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Or maybe they just needed to invent a reason for people to buy the iphone 4S.
I would hope a more fair assessment of the Slashdot "we" would categorize us as people who recognize that Android and iOS are both very significant mobile platforms, and are thus neither surprised nor outraged when an important milestone on a product with millions of current or future users is reported here. Especially a milestone likely to be directly of interest to a "hacker" community.
So I would instead say: the rest of us are well-adjusted enough not to take the slightest pretext to open up a platform religious war of in which everyone is already fully aware of the pros and cons on both sides.
Since there's not much of a technical reason the iPhone 4 cannot have Siri, I think a big part of why it's only on the 4s (and not even the iPad 2) is to help Apple understand server load from the service before it goes live for 100 million+ people.
Are you kidding? It's a big part of the product differentiation for the iPhone 4s. They just launched the iPhone 4s and made a big deal out of the new voice assistant, Siri. They want people to buy the iPhone 4s for the new voice assistant, Siri. And you're wondering if the reason that they only make the new voice assistant, Siri, available for the iPhone 4s, the phone you'll have to buy if you you want the new voice assistant, is because they want to understand server load???
"(...) a certain eminent iPhone hacker has let us know that the has already been jailbroken with a jailbreak for iPad 2 in the works."
furthermore, slashdot even allows users to exclude stories by topic...
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Wait, I don't get it, what's the name of that new voice assistant again?
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I might be wrong but I don't think they bought Siri on a per device license. as far as the ipad2 it's not that surprising, the iPhone 4 has a more limited voice control that does not exist on either iPad model.
That is not how you use the word "crapshoot".
A regular "dumb" cellphone will work as long as the antennas and services are in place.
Then you will want the 5 for more gpu, cpu, 64 bit and the next gen of games that will never work on any 4 ect.....
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
It's obviously to get people to buy the 4s.
Apple does this CONSTANTLY - they leave features out of their early versions of things just so a year later they can release the same hardware BUT WITH A CAMERA ADDED and idiot Apple fans will then plunk down another $500 for the new version.
Are you kidding? It's a big part of the product differentiation for the iPhone 4s. They just launched the iPhone 4s and made a big deal out of the new voice assistant, Siri. They want people to buy the iPhone 4s for the new voice assistant, Siri
But they also continue to sell the iPhone 4, and even the 3Gs. Yes it is something of a differentiator but a new customer would likely end up with a 4s anyway, if for no other reason than the camera is much better.
I'm not saying that marketing was not also a factor, but I am thinking that even if that were taken out Siri would have launched iPhone 4s only for valid technical reasons.
As I said, I think later the spread of devices that can use it will get wider.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
The rest of us are smart enough to not buy such devices.
By 'smart' you mean the side you're on. Normally I wouldn't be so pedantic, but your 'smartness' is based mainly on the Slashdot headlines you've read.
This is where you complain about being modded down by 'fanboys' and high-five all the 'smart' people you agree with.
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
Wait, I don't get it, what's the name of that new voice assistant again?
Exactly!
"Hack enables Siri" is not a catchy head line.
I suggest "I can haz Siri" or "Make Siri your bitch."
Since there's not much of a technical reason the iPhone 4 cannot have Siri, I think a big part of why it's only on the 4s (and not even the iPad 2) is to help Apple understand server load from the service before it goes live for 100 million+ people.
That plausible but I'd suspect a couple other reasons too. First, when you rollout something new you want to make sure it does not get a reputation for sucking. One way to do this is to roll it out only on the best machines. And also as you say a smaller foot print helps control things. Second, I'd bet it is full of debugging code and is not optimized. It is known already it chews batteries. If you put this on older phones with tired batteries it's going to get a bad reputation.
So there's reasons besides the naked one of forcing upgrades.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
It's real simple: The hacker has been jailbroken and soon that jailbreak will work on the iPad 2. You can install anything on him!
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
So does an abacus ... you could even unearth one and it might still be functional ...
meh... they want to give people a reason to upgrade to 4S from 4
I think considering that the iPad 2, which has a faster processor than the 4s doesn't have Siri, this is a very strong probability.
I'm annoyed that I haven't found much in the app store that takes advantage of the new processor.
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
Microsoft has been doing this with Windows for about 15 years and you eat that right up so what's your problem? Not successful enough to afford Apple products?
I've read the GP's post several times now, and I see absolutely no mention of Android or any other non-Apple mobile OS. The only one trying to turn this into an Android-versus-iOS "religious war", as you put it, is you.
You don't even stop to consider how irrelevant this so-called news truly is. The adoption of smartphones has reached saturation levels in most developed countries, and even in many developing ones. Even with many millions of devices out there today, there are still far fewer of them than there are desktops, laptops, netbooks and servers. Mobile computing is such a small percentage of all computing that it's basically irrelevant. Sure, it gets a lot of press and media hype, but it's still quite irrelevant.
Furthermore, many of the major mobile OSes are merely just Linux. Linux isn't anything new or special. We've had various forms of embedded Linux for many years now. Likewise, there's nothing remarkable about iOS other than that it's a very locked-down platform.
The GP has been wrongly modded down to -1, but his plea for relevant news stories here is a valid one. We come here to read interesting news that we can't find elsewhere. We don't come here to read useless details about comparatively minor operating systems in a comparatively minor segment of the computing market.
That's a rather generous interpretation of Apple's motivation. Another interpretation might be that they needed to differentiate their minor hardware upgrade to convince iPhone 4 owners that it was worth upgrading.
When can I get a phone with WATSON??
I do not respond to cowards. Especially anonymous ones.
It is natural that a lot of people would be going hog wild over Siri at first, greatly overusing that service for a while until they settled down into what would become the typical usage patterns. By rolling it out more incrementally, Apple didn't need a massive amount of infrastructure for just a short period of time, and thus they won't be stuck with a massive amount of unused surplus server power that was only really needed for the initial release of iOS5 (if Siri had been enabled on iPhone 4 devices).
Better known as 318230.
We don't come here to read useless details about comparatively minor operating systems in a comparatively minor segment of the computing market.
Since when? I've read everything I 'know' about os/2 from slashdot. Heck, linux, *bsd, and Sun news have always been covered here. Mobile computing and mobile OSes are just another step on the trail. It may be annoying that there's more activity with the new OSes, but that doesn't make them irrelevant.
Nerdy news *is* non-Windows news!
PS: I don't reply to ACs.
If Apple does something remarkable, or if somebody does something remarkable with Apple products, then by all means post such a story. This sort of article doesn't qualify, however.
Disagree. This is about things skilled hackers do for the general good and therefore is on topic for Slashdot.
See, it's not about Apple, it's about us.
Have you got your LWN subscription yet?
I dislike Apple with an intensity that few can match. Nevertheless, I often read Apple-related articles because I might learn something about a topic that is relatively unknown to me. It's even possible that I might learn something useful that can be applied in areas that I already know very well. Besides, it's good to go past your own biases every now and then... it keeps you frombecoming insular and stagnant.
Getting tired of Slashdot... moving to Usenet comp.misc for a while.
I am thinking early next year Siri will be rolled out to iPhone 4 and iPad 2 owners
No doubt I'll be wrong in some spectacular way but my guess is that it'll be a paid option for the iPhone 4 and iPad 2. If that's correct it'll probably cost Apple's usual "token" amount of $10 or so.
Oh wow! Oh wow! Oh wow!
rewriting history since 2109
The heavy lifting is done on Apple's servers, not locally on the phone.
That's kind of eerie when you think about it...
In corporate America, Apple has you in their pocket.
My brain may be addled, but I believe I was using Siri as a stand-alone app on my 3GS already, before it was bought up by Apple? As it's own app, it was not as good as the integrated thing it has become, but it was okay for searches. I also was using Apple's own voice recognition on my 3GS 2 years ago to dial numbers or "call home" or what not. Wasn't terribly good, which is why I hardly used it, but all I had to do was press and hold down the single button until it came up.
The reason it's not on the 3GS/4 is to make it an exclusive feature on the 4s as a reason to upgrade to it. Not that I care. I bought mine on the features it had at the time, not future promises. What make the 4s worth my while is the factory unlocked version coming to the US in November that's compatible with all networks (Verizon, Sprint, ATT, GSM worldwide). Since I travel internationally to a select few countries, I'm really anticipating a phone where I can swap out native sim cards at will, so I don't have to pay the ridiculous international roaming fees or carry 2 phones.
But they also continue to sell the iPhone 4, and even the 3Gs. Yes it is something of a differentiator but a new customer would likely end up with a 4s anyway, if for no other reason than the camera is much better.
yes true, but if siri was enabled on a 4, then less people who already have a 4 would upgrade to a 4s.
i spent five minutes thinking and all i got was this crappy sig
FYI, the unlocked version is GSM-only. (Fine print at the bottom of http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_iphone/family/iphone/iphone4s )
For all those that don't get my point...
There's no "oh shit, my phone can't the new OS" moment. I can't become outdated the same way a smartphone does.
two cans and a string work without the antennas or service.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
Maybe you should just grow some balls and learn to ignore articles that you don't care about? I know, it's almost as if the articles never existed, AMAZING.
that you have to preface your post with a disclaimer about the intensity of your dislike for a major corporation that doesn't know you exist? It speaks to something very sad about this community when you have pledge your intifada-like hatred for Apple as the intro to any post which is even tangentially related to Apple.
It would save time if you could just use a quick arm gesture and short phrase to make your allegiance clear. Maybe just shoot out your right arm straight at a 45 degree angle above the shoulder and say, "Heil, Google"--something like that.
Actually, if you can fool Apples servers into thinking you have a 4s (by modifying what goes out over the network) then you can get it working.
Siri was, of course, available as an app for iPhones going back to the original 2G, correct? And on 4S launch day, Apple (having bought Siri from the original developer) disabled Siri for everyone who was already using it, in a naked attempt to force their loyal fanbase to upgrade, if I'm not mistaken? It's amazing to me how Apple fanboys can continue to stay so fanatically loyal after every punch in the beanbag from Cupertino.
Oh okay. They changed the wording on that since I looked at it when the 4s first came out and it seemed to be able to use all carriers. Too bad I can't use all US carriers.
out of date = unusable?
why did you buy something that would deactivate itself as soon as an update was available?
I cannot imagine Apple ever considered the possibility that people would upgrade to a 4S from a 4. A 3GS, probably. A 3, most definitely. But definitely not a 4. No I do not have an iPhone. And, no, I know of no one who has even considered the possibility of upgrading their 1 year old phone so they can get Siri...
I was pretty disappointed, too. I'd like to be able to easily try out different carriers, or get a prepaid US SIM for times when Sprint has poor service while I'm travelling. Unfortunately, I suspect that the reason for the lockdowns is totally to do with the carriers.
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i didn't realise following my manufacturers instructions was considered "breaking" my device.
yes unlocked bootloader is not root, however it allows you to use the required tools which there is no attempt to block.
calling pre-installed apps spyware doesn't make them so.
also a manufacturer not coming up with an update for latest OS is not the same as intentionally restricting what the user can do.
i spent five minutes thinking and all i got was this crappy sig
It's just about people who were stupid enough to buy a product that they have to intentionally "break" in order to use it to its full potential. That's not newsworthy in any way.
Wait, it was? I guess I misread the article, because I didn't realize it was about rooting your Android phone so you could actually us ICS, or for that matter, just remove the vendor applied spyware.
really? vendor applied spyware? .......
well i got an HTC android device from vodafone uk... and guess what apple fanboi ac??.... no crapware... spyware or any such shit on it.also i don't need to get it unlocked as it's not locked to the vodafone network as my last trip to Denver from the UK showed when i slipped a US SIM into it...... no unlock code needed at all.....
i can also install whatever the fuck i want on my phone from where-ever the fuck i want
Dude, it's Apple. They could take the iPhone 4, put it in a different case, call it the iPhone 5, and fanbois would line up to get one.
Heck, they could put an iPhone 3 in a new case, call it an iPhone 5, and probably most Apple fanbois would want one.
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meh... they want to give people a reason to upgrade to 4S from 4
Apple could've easily built a larger server farm to handle the larger load. They chose not to.
Actually the grand parent is right, Apple knows the gimmick will fizzle out in short order (just like face time did) and there is no need to spend on new servers.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
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I highly doubt Apple is expecting 4 owners, still under contract, to pay a penalty to upgrade to 4S. There are plenty of people like me for whom the 4S is their first iPhone.
If I used a sig over again, would anyone notice?
Looking at the Slashdot front page right now, the topics are:
Student Loans
iPhone 4s jailbreak
Red Hat vs CentOS
Fish and toxic sludge
Microsoft law suit
Apple solar farm
Mock Zombie Invasion
Dennis Ritchie
FBI tracking
Open hardware
Portugal school and OSS
Hybrid quantum computers
Google Street VIew
GLobal Warming
Battlefield 3
EEPROM programmer
Anonymous vs Drug Cartel
AWS Load Balancer
Career Advice for Programmers
Android Browser privacy
Qantas grounded
Police UAV
US Debt
Android wristwatch
Cellular antenna tech
Nokia bendable phone
HP touchpads all gone
Blue Coat devices in Syria
Image recognition for races
Firefox PDF reader
Human Motion software
RIM privacy issue in India
Microsoft tried to buy Netscape
Compromised CAs
So out of 34 stories, two are about Microsoft, one is about Google (with two about Android), and two , yes TWO, are about Apple. /. commenters derail other stories and make them about MS, Apple, or Google, whose fault is that? ...and who is trolling?
Now if the
...the future crusty old bastards are already drinking the Kool-Aid.
You'd think so, but I remember seeing an article with statistics showing the older iPhone users being less likely to upgrade than the newer ones.
...the future crusty old bastards are already drinking the Kool-Aid.
What - what's this? A rational explanation, based on sound business logic (ie: money) that doesn't involve intentional evil? On Slashdot, of all places?
I don't know where you are, but I feel that I owe you a beer.
Kid-proof tablet..
Christ. I can't believe this never-ending stream of fanboy nonsense from SuperKendall still gets modded up.
Bump.
Macheads with mod points seem to be scurrying around tonight.
Have you got your LWN subscription yet?
A rational explanation that justifies a tech giant being unable to rent some datacenter resources, instead opting for not providing a service to a certain class of customers, is not rational at all.
If somebody came up with a variant, say: let's roll out the service for the new phones, so we have also time for proper deployment and customer assistance, and make vague promises for the older one: when most of potential switchers have upgraded to the new phone we sell a version who performs noticeably slower on older phones, making money and making them wish to upgrade at the same time.
Call it evil, call it marketing, no difference.
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Some probably would upgrade. After all, some people have unlimited money for all intents and purposes in this discussion. But mainly I think it is a product differentiator for new customers or the old customers that are upgrading from an older iPhone to one of the newer ones.
I recently upgraded from an iPhone 3G to an iPhone 4. The reason I didn't go with the 4s is that it was more expensive and the faster CPU and Siri didn't really appeal to me.
I don't believe the faster CPU and GPU are a big sell on their own to the general public. Apple needed some VISIBLE new feature to differentiate the 4s. They came up with Siri, which TBH currently appears a little dumb to me.
Great, you can run Siri on an iPod touch. Well done.
Now try convincing the world at large that jailbreaking is not primarily motivated by the running of pirated apps.
I think this is correct...
...but I suspect that the lack of a noise-cancelling microphone in the iPad 2 has more to do with it.
I could be wrong but I think you will find they have the same CPU
Since there's not much of a technical reason the iPhone 4 cannot have Siri, I think a big part of why it's only on the 4s (and not even the iPad 2) is to help Apple understand server load from the service before it goes live for 100 million+ people.
Yes, I've heard Dan Benjamin complain on one of his podcasts that there's some disruption of Siri services when there's a large influx of users, such as when the US east coast wakes up. So this would seem to be at least part of the reasoning.
If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error.
Anyone who spells fanboy as "fanboi" deserves every bad thing that happens to him.
You should stop looking at the world through hatred-colored lenses. It may make you a better person.
"Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument."
Most haters do not argue from fact, leaving nothing to rebut.
I doubt if Apple will roll it out to older iPhones. Siri is not just an application, it is a service, which Apple has chosen to charge for as part of the purchase price of the iPhone 4s. I suppose Apple could offer it as an extra-cost option for older devices, but I suspect that this would not win them any points with owners of those devices. So it makes more sense for Apple to treat it simply as a feature of the iPhone 4s. I suppose Apple might consider adding it to the iPad 2, which was released not long before the iPhone 4s, but it wouldn't surprise me if they decided to reserve it for their phone line.
And it's not as if owners of older devices are not getting new features with iOS 5--just not this one.
This was my thought exactly. Siri is still listed as a product in beta, and all the logic is cloud-based. Sales of the 4S exceeded expectations, and I don't think it's a coincidence that last week several users across the country were reporting frequent problems with Siri connecting to the network. There's really not a lot of work done on the client, so there's no reason that Siri would not be available on any device capable of running iOS5 when it goes GA. If it shows promise, expect it to be open to all devices. If not, expect it to fade into obscurity.
It's a beta. This reduces the initial load until they can tune the servers.
You know, the same way Google limited the early beta test of Google+... but I guess betas from Google = good, getas from Apple = bad...
i love the new 4s. it has mirroring capability which is great for me since now i can project everything i load on my iphone without worrying about if the app has video out capabilities. Connecting it to my aaxa p4 takes seconds.
You should start addressing actual points people make, rather than ad-hominems.
Bingo Dictionary - Pragmatist, n. A myopic idealist.
good point, and another interesting one is that my supposed hatred didn't prevent me from being a substantially happy apple customer for approximately 20 years, till 2005.
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I may be wrong but the last time I read about it the 4S has the same processor but its' clocked slightly slower.
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
The camera is not much better, it is a bit less crappy.
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Note: I'm not an Apple fan.
Kid-proof tablet..
Jailbreak for iPad2 is in the works? Ummm... Mine is already jailbroken. Has been for several months.
Ok, I just found out that Verizon will unlock your phone after 60 days for international travel which is exactly what I need.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2394536,00.asp#fbid=Qzjzk7NRtVm
Good to know! Thanks for the pointer!