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Ask Slashdot: Spoof an Email Bounce With Windows?
An anonymous reader writes "One cool feature I used on KMail years ago was the ability to generate a spoofed email bounce for any given message I had received, which claimed delivery failed because of an unknown recipient. While this doesn't exactly align with expected behaviour from a mail client, it was a useful way of easily getting off mailing lists (automated, or manually created by freaky acquaintances!). This is something I really miss, so I'm wondering if there are any mail clients for Windows that provide similar functionality?"
...or boot into Linux directly. :-P
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Why don't you call Microsoft support and ask them. After all, isn't this one of the things you pay for and they are supposed to provide stellar support with?
I'm not a fan of MS Outlook, but it's integrated VBA makes writing a custom plugin easy and painless. Visual Basic in any flavor had a bad stigma, however, having a development environment right in the application is exactly what I would think would solve your problem effectively.
"When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back!" -- Cave Johnson
Doesn't KDE run on Windows these days? You could probably just run KMail directly...
#!/bin/csh cat $0
If you don't speak SMTP as a second language you probably shouldn't have that feature.
*grin*
Not even a 550 SMTP session will get you off most mailing lists because, even if it is a legitimate list, the marketers are too aggressive to care. Also, a NDR after a successful session will likely go to either an unmonitored mailbox, a hapless user who won't understand it, or null. Weed through some email logs and you'll see. I see some lists that have been emailing the same address for ten years and I always disconnect with a 550. That said, try Pegasus Mail. I find that it does almost anything.
Eudora had this feature in the past, so you might want to look at it and see if it still does.
http://eudora.com/
It's apparently open source now, so if you could add this feature if it doesn't exist.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/mail-redirect/
yes... exactly, simply script it...
why not just build it yourself and publish it...
even outlook has scripting ability and hooks
maybe this is what you need :
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/mail-redirect/
or you could add to it...
regards
John Jones
While the spammy advertisement would normally warrant no attention, it does raise a point that is worth noting:
Because the from address is invariably forged, you do nothing with a bounce. In fact, it's worse than nothing, because you create backscatter. I have suffered from backscatter and it is a pain - it just multiplies the spam problem. So, could I request that you just stop it!
Mailwasher has that feature, plus a few more. http://www.mailwasher.net/
Kmail may have offered a bounce function, but this would not get you off spam lists. Just about every spam message is not from the domain the sender in the envelope claims to be from. You are sending a pointless message to the domain being fraudulently used. E.g. you get a spam "from" mydomain.com, you bounce back, mydomain.com didn't actually send the message but now has to deal with your junk response.
Because the from address is invariably forged, you do nothing with a bounce. In fact, it's worse than nothing, because you create backscatter. I have suffered from backscatter and it is a pain - it just multiplies the spam problem. So, could I request that you just stop it!
If you actually know the person who is sending you the email then you should try a more personal approach rather than a passive aggressive bounce.
Teaching to fish > giving fish
I work in the automotive industry, specifically related to roadside service (tow trucks and such). I can tell you without reservation that the worst cars today are still more reliable than the best cars of decades gone by. Use per capita for road service has been steadily going down since as far back as I'm aware of our records.
In the time it took you to be a twat like that you could have just helped.
"Helping" someone to be a helpless moron isn't really helping them with anything.
You're actually admitting my point. Since the time it took me to write a one-liner is enough time to solve his problem, it doesn't deserve a group discussion. Recognizing that makes ME the twat? I think pretending it's valid makes you the bleeding-heart jackass. You know that heart thing you have? Yeah it's great and so are the warm fuzzies you feel in it sometimes, even on occasion for idiots who burden other people and waste their time. You know that head/brain thing you also have? Yeah that's what you think with.
Why not?
I went back to the Just Works(tm) environment of Cubase + Win XP after nearly throwing my computer out the window trying to get that steaming pile of shit Jack to work with Ardour.
alpine is also truly free software now.
FYI, alpine was pine. UW forked it, added a better build system, put it under a new license, released it as alpine, then discontinued development. The community has taken that and created the re-alpine project on sourceforge, where you can find the latest version. re-alpine
Development continues, but isn't exactly what I'd call "active". But it's an ancient email client, and there's really not all that much that could be added. I still find it indispensable and use it constantly and I'm quite happy with it.
You never said you needed a windows-like UI, so this qualifies for the request, but YMMV.
Except that saying just fucking google it isn't teaching somebody to fish either. It's very quick to enter terms into a search engine if you know what the answer is, and quite a bit more difficult if you have no idea what the answer should look like.
In this case you have to figure out how to exclude the various ways of saying anti-spoof while not excluding essential links. And google often times makes it a pain in the ass to find things as any appearance of the terms anywhere in the page is by default considered a match. Even if they're not only not in the same sentence, but not even in the same paragraph. My favorite thing is when the engine finds the words in a link bar on the side of the page or as contact information at the bottom.
It's not enough time to solve the problem. There have been plenty of times where even after a couple hours of searching for an answer somebody else who knew what to look for could find it in about 30 seconds. And I know there have been times where I could find something almost instantly because I knew the cause from years back.
Just fucking google it is really not an acceptable response in cases like this.
When you generate these faked bounces they are generated through your receiving mail server. Invariably, some of those bounces go back to spam trap email addresses that are used in forged headers, causing your ISP's mail server to be black listed.
I have plugged in a customer 'milter' in our mail server to block this 'feature' from working. (bounces that the server doesn't create get routed to /dev/null.)
Mailwasher does it. Can do it automatically so you won't even see it. But not free. http://tinyurl.com/6fprnb9
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At least since KDE 4, and from what I recall, maybe 3.4 or even 3.3, this feature was dropped.
Your time to bitch about it? That would be thataway.
Sidestepping the whole garbage that your post was, how the hell is this an OS function? It isn't in Linux either. And there is no reason why it couldn't be done on any OS.
I just setup a mail template that essentially says "Undeliverable" and then setup a mail filter to auto-respond with that template if a certain person emailed me.
The text of the message is:
Your message to:{your email}
Was undeliverable. No further diagnostics available.
MTA-Intermail550
That last part, my provider uses Intermail so I looked up it's error codes and just used the 550 message.
I own a domain of (for example) example.org that I have wildcarded to my INBOX. I get A LOT of all sorts of interesting misdirected emails meant for exampleinc.org and example.org.au including invoices, meeting confirmation messages, and frantic "why aren't you answering my email messages"
In Mail.APP on the Mac I used to do a bounce and they'd see that they screwed up and stop. If I send a personal email explaining often people go ape shit and get paranoid wondering why I am reading their email. (Unfortunately Apple removed that functionality as well)
So sometimes a more impersonal response IS better.
ps, yeah, I know, I could fiddle with my MTA and have it refuse the repeat offenders.... and I do now. Not as convenient though.
Hey twat, who the hell are you replying to? That quote doesn't come from anywhere in this thread. Or are you assuming that someone will say it, so you can bitch about it?
But to try to stay on topic.
I really hate these threads. By the time I turn to Google to find the answer to a problem, it usually means I've exhausted my vast knowledge, and that of my friends. More often than not, I find plenty of these threads saying "go figure it out yourself" and "don't you know how to work a search engine?" Sometimes they'll post links back to their own page on the subject, but the page will have been gone for years, and it wouldn't have attracted the attention of archive.org. So, no answers.
If you have an answer for someone, say what the fucking answer is. Don't pretend that you're so much smarter, and they can go figure it out themselves. As I've learned, most of the people who play that game, don't know the answer themselves.
I'm not replying to the OP, because I don't have an answer. I do have some rather complicated ones, but those don't seem to be the ones that he wants. That would be something like, make another account on a Linux machine. Forward messages he wants bounced to that account. That account should have .forward pointing to a script (Perl would be my choice), which removes the forwarding information, and crafts a nice legitimate looking bounce message.
Serious? Seriousness is well above my pay grade.
Don't you people ever get tired of the Linux vs. Windows pillow fight?
Most people use Windows because it is very functional and there are more application programs written for it than for Linux or any other operating system.
Get over it, Linux people. Windows is here to stay and Linux will never be more popular than it is.
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bonus points for mentioning Lada....
I doubt if it'll get you less spam, but manually bouncing mail is one of the many standard features of the Fastmail webclient. Runs on any platform that has a web browser.
I use it occasionally to get rid of humans...
Apple pulled this from Mail with Lion for that reason. Spammers don't really care if your email is real or not. At least not much.
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Doesn't email have something to do with the interwebs?
That means this should be a function of Internet Explorer.
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
How does getting your email client trying to spoof a bounce, help when the upstream email server has ALREADY accepted the email as legitimate for delivery? As another user noted, your creating backscatter, and any email systems using basic SPAM filtering, will automatically drop the email from you.
I'm fairly sure Windows is a general purpose OS with no one philosophy. It has a market share of over 90% - every kind of person uses Windows. There's a fair share of programmers (even FOSS ones) and hackers (in the good sense) too.
"Let me google that for you" http://lmgtfy.com/ would seem to make a lot more sense, since you would actually be helping someone learn a search term that works, vs the thousands that don't.
But of course, if you're just trying to be a dick, your link is much better.
Very strange I am using linux since 2 years for the exact opposite reason. I have Ubuntu. It is a system that does not degrade with time. My computer is still marvellously fast as it was 2 years ago. With windows, I was always loosing time fixing issues. Now, I spend 100% of my time using the applications. I know openoffice is not perfect, but it is always improving automatically, not always degrading like microsoft office. When I need a new application, it is free and trivial to install. With windows, most of the applications available on internet are malwares, often very hard to fully uninstall.
You can do it with any language that lets you open a network connection and send raw text. The hard part is integrating it with your email client.
Did you even read the post?
He asked for a mail client that runs on windows with this functionality.
Derp.
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Sometimes Windows is a rabid pit bull, causing massive issues outside its circle.
But then just like any dog can bite, and OS can cause massive issues!
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That sounds like an excellent question for Ask Slashdot...
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That's weird; with Windows, I have to waste all kinds of time hunting down drivers for devices, and the UI is so deficient I can't get much work done because there's no virtual desktops to separate my activities into, and the one workspace gets so cluttered with dozens of open windows.
As someone who has gone from Windows to Linux and now uses both equally for various purposes, I understand the addiction of virtual desktops. In fact, when KDE went from 3.5 to 4.0 and took away the ability to have a different background image for each desktop (yes, I know, petty; but that is a quirk of mine), I ended up shopping around for a new desktop environment, eventually discovering Enlightenment.
Anyway, for Windows, if you are using ATI or nVidia video cards, the driver and utility packages for them should have a virtual desktop feature (I'm sure at least the ATI Catalyst package does. Can't remember if the nVidia package does as well.) However, even though I have both ATI and nVidia on various systems, I have become rather fond of Virtual Dimension. If you must have virtual desktops on Windows, this is definitely a good one worth looking at.
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You can just use kmail on windows...
Most of us, um, buy a machine with Windows installed and then never touch it again. I've built all my Windows/Linux machines since my first Windows machine, but it's a tremendous waste of time and really something I only do for the fun of it.
Once you have an HP/Dell/Sony/whatever, the resident memory-hogging auto updater keeps everything up-to-date. The days of hunting down drivers on Windows have been lost to the last century.
That said, you're post is tremendously misleading unless you have a rig bought specifically with Linux in mind or you are lucky and you have older hardware. Wireless drivers are still a pain half the time and laptops are a real PITA overall.
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That said, you're post is tremendously misleading unless you have a rig bought specifically with Linux in mind or you are lucky and you have older hardware. Wireless drivers are still a pain half the time and laptops are a real PITA overall.
Sorry, I haven't noticed that. Maybe on crap hardware, but I bought a Thinkpad T510 earlier this year and Linux Mint installed on it with no issues at all, including drivers for the Broadcom wireless chip.
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"I'm fairly sure Windows is a general purpose OS with no one philosophy"
Then, IMNSHO your are wrong.
"It has a market share of over 90% - every kind of person uses Windows."
Flawed argument: almost every kind of person uses Windows... in basically the same way.
I downloaded Bounce Spam quite a few years ago. I might have been still using Windows 95 at the time. I use it now with Windows XP. This is freeware by Albert Yale. A Google search on "Albert Yale" and "bounce" will result in several download sites.
I do NOT use Bounce Spam for actual spam for two reasons. First of all, the From or Reply-to address in spam is often the address of some unfortunate innocent person; I do not want to flood such individuals with my faked bounce message. Then, my ISP has very effective anti-spam controls on its POP incoming E-mail server.
I use Bounce Spam to return messages to foul individuals who are angry about what they read on my Web site. Those individuals do not realize they can disagree without being disagreeable. They are exceptionally disagreeable.
This kind of arrogance is why we can't have nice things. Most of the time when I find an answer to something that's stumped me the thread doesn't contain any one post or sentence that includes all of the symptoms. Mainly because the person asking for help doesn't know what the relevant information is.
Under your suggestion I wouldn't find any of those examples because it's post by post and bit by bit. Which works, assuming you use the same spelling as the poster and you don't need to combine it with other things and it's not a dependency etc. The fact that Google chooses not to parse anything out is just going to make things worse.
Then again, I really wish that Ballmer would make good on fucking killing Google because Google's effect on the search industry has been more than a little regressive.
No making snarky wise-ass comments makes you a twat. Posting it as an AC makes you pathetic.
You got lucky :)
That laptop is apparently very well supported, but even then features like on-demand video switching probably don't work, and getting both video cards working even when switching them manually on boot is not something that "just works". Unless you just have the integrated version, in which case you are good. You are also lucky regarding power management - laptops are notorious on any OS for buggy ACPI, and Linux is usually pretty unforgiving and you end up updating the BIOS and praying. And of course the laptop custom keyboard buttons almost never work without fiddling.
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No, mine's the lower-end version with integrated graphics. This is Linux; I'm not playing high-end games here. Admittedly, video-chip-switching is one place where Linux definitely doesn't work at all, but that's really a fairly new feature in laptops unless I'm mistaken. But again, if you're using a laptop for work and not games, integrated graphics really should be sufficient. I have a desktop PC with a larger Nvidia card if I want to do any more-serious 3D work.
The key to Linux on laptops is to get a laptop that's known to work well with Linux. That's harder of course than a regular desktop PC (where almost all hardware works great on Linux, although obviously you need to use the proprietary video drivers for the best results there). But you wouldn't go buy some random consumer-grade laptop and expect to run MacOS on it; same goes for Linux, except that you'll do a lot better than MacOS on any given random hardware, just not as well as Windows.
If you're counting on an automated process to handle your forged bounce, it probably won't work. In a strict sense, bounces sent with a non-empty Return-Path are incorrect and unless you're running your own SMTP server, you probably won't be able to send mail with an empty Return-Path header.
If you're counting on a manual process to handle your forged bounce, I admire your faith in humanity.
I just fucking Googled it. Last result on the first page nails it.
404: sig not found.
He's posting on Slashdot. It's assumed he knows how to search.
404: sig not found.
the thing with linux is a lot of it's tools lack the polish of commercial software, mainly because it is designed to run as a server, or a tablet(with ubuntu unity). and they add support for software very cautiously with little imagination. heck some installers for linux are like a maze and if you don't know the right map to get it installed it doesn't even work...
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
I can solve that. See that disc you are using, the one that says "XP" on it? Yeah its older than the shit in the bottom of your fridge, now throw that stinky shit away!
Now you see this real pretty little DVD that says "Windows 7" on it? yeah try that....what did you say? Windows found all the drivers and did all the work while you had a soda? Congratulations, its called progress.
As for Linux IF and ONLY IF all of your hardware is supported OOTB by your distro of choice are you gonna be having anything as close to easy as 7. Otherwise its "welcome to the forum dance!" which is kind of like a square dance but even less fun and nobody wears pretty clothes. you better know the make/rev/ firmware of said device and hope somebody has a 'fix" for whatever is FUBAR, and you'll probably either have to tweak it, because they wrote it for kernel X-hardware-y make Z and you have kernel x4 hardware y6 and make za rev 2, or you'll get a tarball and get to figure out what needs to be fiddled with to get it going.
Hell if my 71 year old dad can install Windows 7 with nothing but the DVD, not even the driver CD that came with the box (because I wasn't planning on letting him install it so it was in the bottom of the case) and when I show up a week later not a single thing is wrong or broken, or needs fiddling with, it even popped up on first launch "hey you don't have an AV, would you like us to take you to a page with several to choose from?" all nicely labeled into two separate groups for free and for pay and the ONLY thing I had to do was show him where to get Firefox from? you are gonna HONESTLY say Linux is simpler than that? Because i'm gonna have to call bullshit as according to Gartner Linux is at 1.1% which it wouldn't be if it was THAT simple. Which at least in my experience from a half a dozen distros its not.
Which is why I say that while Linux guys compare themselves to Windows constantly the truer comparison would be to Mac. Unlike Windows which has support for just about every piece of current hardware Linux, like Mac OSX, really runs well IF you stick strictly with Linux hardware with strong Linux support in a Linux ecosystem, problem is you don't have Linux stores with Guru bars to make it easy for folks to FIND the Linux hardware and if you try to use Windows hardware? Well unless you are damned lucky you just earned yourself a seat at the forum dance every 6 months for the life of the machine.
Linux is GREAT for embedded, its damned nice for programmers, its good for admins, but saying "its as easy to set up and use as Windows!" is like saying "and giant batwings pop out of my ass and I fly south for the winter!" you've just passed believable about 3 exits back bud. Unless of course you wanna compare it to an OS 2 and soon to be 3 versions behind like XP, which is that case we really should be comparing it to the first release of Ubuntu or even the 2001 release of Debian, whatever that was.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
yeah, google gave up proper boolean operations a long long time ago, now they try to outsmart the user, but with a very stupid algorithm. Very frustrating.
since the guy obviously can't tell the difference between a request and a demand in the first place, of course the only thing he has left is to make jokes or be a jerk.
guess that means this post is me being a jerk as well.
seems that's become S.O.P. for most slashdotters these days
I've installed Linux (various versions over the years) on about 5 laptops (Dell, IBM, AST) and haven't had problems with video, power management, sound, WiFi, etc. Never updated any BIOS. I think your meme is old (but I am older).
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
The reasons this misfeature has become less common in MUA's over time are that it is fundamentally fraudulent and that it doesn't really work. Spammers who use their own working return path addresses are far more likely to have working unsubscribe mechanisms than they are to have working mechanisms for handling asynchronous bounce messages. That's because in many places (including the USA) unsub mechanisms are legally mandated, but bounce handling is not required and is an inherently hard problem. As a result, there are legally compliant spamming operations like Constant Contact that have fully functional unsub systems and that deal with standard 5xx responses to the RCPT command in SMTP properly, but which basically ignore asynchronous bounce messages and error responses at other points in SMTP.
The only use for video-chip-switching (actually running them in parallel) is multiple monitors. That laptop of yours can do three monitors under Windows, which is pretty cool for certain tasks. Of course, with a capable desktop of similar power going for less than $500-600, why not have a desktop for that kind of work?
Linux has worked on every desktop I've ever tried it on, though it sometimes throws fits over the ACPI and so I can't use sleep reliably. It sometimes doesn't like on-board ethernet, so I have to throw a $10 card in there. As you say, I generally check for Linux support prior to purchase but I forget some of these embedded parts sometimes. That goes double for FreeBSD. I find Linux easier to load on a PC than Windows, but as I said... how often do you have to load Windows on a PC? Usually it comes with it, and if you feed it the install disks it will be right back at the same state as when it was new.
And of course, there is Mac... simplest install but crazy limited hardware choices :)
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The only use for video-chip-switching (actually running them in parallel) is multiple monitors.
Maybe we're talking about something else; I thought lately it was more for having one low-power GPU (the integrated crappy one) for regular work to extend battery life, and then being able to switch to a high-power AMD or Nvidia GPU for more demanding tasks, but on the same monitor.
I'll tell you though, I've been pretty happy with my car (Toyota, for what it's worth) that over 6.5 years I've only opened the hood once, just so I knew how in case I ever had to.
Can't say the client doesn't have a nuisance factor but it does have a bounce function.
Windows DOES have telnet, you know. But I agree, "sending fake postmaster messages" doesnt really sound like the job of an email client, it sounds like the job of a smtp toolkit or mass-mailer.
OP's request sounds kind of shady, TBQH; if you want to get off of the list, either unsubscribe, or block them as spam. Sending them a fake mesage is probably not the most effective way to do this.
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You don't have to know the operators; that's what the "advanced search" button does for you. You then look at the query, and remember the ones you might use often. I use "word * otherword" -"word badphrase" pretty often when I need to filter results more, for example.
For learning the terms to search, I find that searching for something close enough usually helps me stumble upon the right search terms sometime in the first page or two.
All that learning does come from experience with searching - not from having the answers spoon-fed to you by asking on Slashdot. :) In this specific case, I typed "windows fake bounce email", and got a program that can do it on the first hit. I tries "spoof" rather than "fake", and ignoring the first four hits on Slashdot, the first link (which would've been returned before this question existed) provided a solution. But you're right - the original link was mildly offensive; he should've used lmgtft, as in http://lmgtfy.com/?q=windows+fake+bounce+email. That does a way nicer job of teaching how Teh Googles works. ;)
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(like adding virtual desktops, etc.)
Adding? It already has them...
It won't get you off maillists. It will just generate backscatter spam.
It's easy for someone who gets one of these fake bounces to tell it's not a real MTA generated bounce.
This feature was removed from most mailers for a reason - it doesn't work.
the e-mail headers will give away, that its not a real bounce. Then the spammers even know "ah, this e-mail address is active, somebody thinks its worth to send fake-bounce mail"
http://spamlinks.net/prevent-secure-backscatter-fake.htm
Impressively, you now look like an even bigger twat than you did to start with.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
You really think that googling for an answer is more difficult than submitting a question to slashdot, getting it approved as a story, and then sorting through all of the various answers? I would hope that some one who finds that to be the case, wouldn't have too many questions they needed answered.
Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
Why wouldn't you just set up a client rule to mark the message as read and automatically delete it? That way, there's no potential of backscatter and you're not bothered by spam or unwanted forwarding. As I understand it, most mail clients are able to automate this process.
This may not work for your particular application, and if this is the case you are free to disregard.
Go on, citizen, stamp the vote card. R or D, your choice.
...and you've never had trouble figuring out the search terms that will give you useful information on a subject?
I'm pretty good at searching, but there are times I stumble because I don't know the proper terminology.
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Relays (MTAs) bounce/reject mail. Mail clients (MUAs), do not. You can't do this.
If you want to, you must run your own mail server. Then it is trivial. I personally use MimeDefang for such things, but you can also do it directly from sendmail's configuration without resorting to miltering.
If you don't have a clue about what I am talking about, then you need to just hire somebody to do what you want, because these are very basic mail concepts.
http://en.kioskea.net/contents/courrier-electronique/fonctionnement-mta-mua.php3
I'm sorry you think I was trying to be arrogant. It's just the way most (consumer) search engines have worked since the days of Hotbot and Lycos. At least it's better than inserting brackets and uppercase keywords like AND, OR and NOT as some engines have required.
You are right, but Lenovo offers an option under Windows where you can run both at the same time to support more monitors. My comment was in the context that it is unlikely that you are playing 3D games in Linux... :)
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"Haven't had problems" means different things to different people. You might be more comfortable fiddling. WiFi certainly didn't work 5 years ago unless you were very careful in selecting the hardware or you used one of the Windows driver wrappers. The video usually "works" in some regard, but getting 3D going was not something that just worked without fiddling. Power management is a sore spot for me - I feel like all laptops should do as well as Apple laptops do: sleep when the lid is closed and spring to life when opened. Windows laptops sometimes get this almost right, but with Linux I don't have the skill set and it certainly doesn't work like this upon a fresh install. I haven't had problems with sound on Linux in probably 10 years.
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Power management has always "just worked" on my Linux laptops. Close the lid to sleep and start when you open it. No fiddling required. The laptops with built in WiFi all worked just fine. On older computers with PCMCIA cards... some worked, some didn't but it was easy to change the card to one that worked. I never had to fiddle with the NDIS wrappers. I don't do gaming so high performance video was not a priority. The video always just worked on install. The only problems I had were the cheap Intel graphics cards in some of the machines which had lousy 3D drivers and it was easier to not run 3D.
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
LOL, I need to know what brand you use. That's like Nirvana.
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Dell and IBM
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
IBM (Lenovo) seem to be very well supported, and they are good solid laptops in general. I'll have to remember that if I need a Linux machine. To be truthful, these days I usually just virtualize it, which kills the need for supported hardware.
I never even tried a Dell - they don't seem to work right running Windows! :)
W..w..W - Willy Waterloo washes Warren Wiggins who is washing Waldo Woo.
Oh shit, I just remembered! Google only gives the first 10 search results and the rest are lost forever!
404: sig not found.
Take the title, remove common words "an" and "with."
404: sig not found.
No, YOU are wrong. Nepka is right. The OS is entirely irrelevant, this is 100% application-space stuff. Furthermore, with administrative access you can run ANYTHING on Windows. You can play with devices if you want, it's just one kernel-mode driver to write and away you go. tl;dr the hood isn't welded shut, it's just locked and you need the administrators key.
I just add them to a blacklist. It's a more permanent solution.
Skot Nelson music is my saviour / i was maimed by rock and roll
which is to say: your method depends on a person receiving the response, noticing it, parsing it properly for your email address, and then remembering to delete it from their address book/list of remembered email addresses.
which is to say that it doesn't really work.
Skot Nelson music is my saviour / i was maimed by rock and roll