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Solaris 11 Released
angry tapir writes "Oracle has updated its Unix-based operating system Solaris, adding some features that would make the OS more suitable for running cloud deployments, as well as integrating it more tightly with other Oracle products. While not as widely known for its cloud software, Oracle has been marketing Solaris as a cloud-friendly OS. In Oracle's architecture, users can set up different partitions, called Zones, inside a Solaris implementation, which would allow different workloads to run simultaneously, each within their own environment, on a single machine."
I know it is the usual thing to hate on slashdot, but Solaris combined with cloud hosting works wonders for our company. It's generally much more easier to deploy than Linux based distros, and comes with extra performance. Our sites usually have a stable amount of traffic, but sometimes it peaks, and those are the times we really want the website to perform well. Solaris+Cloud hosting is perfect for that. As fallback, we have Azure, which also performs really good, but it requires extra work as it's different platform. But generally, scalable cloud hosting really is good for hosting big traffic sites.
Given how much they've done negatively to OpenSolaris (taking it from developer-friendly to "we don't care how many people get compromised, we're not going to hand out security updates without a large-fee contract", Oracle's made it worse than AIX.
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can you believe they are trying to impose 8 character user names???
And what's with the not being able to select packages on install... it's just one size fits all.
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10 years and counting and still no ZFS bp rewrite implemented. For those that care, this presumably is required to implement such uninteresting things as vdev removal and defragmentation. And please, no defrag-denialists here... ZFS fragments like a cheap suit dipped into liquid nitrogen.
Zones have been around in Solaris 10 for years. They're very nice, btw.
Michael J.
Root, God, what is difference?
Partitions in solaris are so.... 1996.
e10k was a POS.... though it was trying mighty hard to keep up with LPARs under AIX...
I only use real Unix, like Solaris and Mac OS X, rather than cheap, reverse-engineered, and possibly illegal copies like Linux. At my age and high salary, I should be living like an adult and not steal digital content (like Unix software, movies, or music). I guess if you're young, stupid, and/or poor, then you can go ahead and do immoral things (like touching yourself at night as you stroke your neckbeard, which is what 90% of you do).
Oracle has messed up Solaris and pretty much everything they have acquired (Java, Vbox, OO).
Move along. Get Linux.
Let me quote from an email that an associate of mine recently sent me on his experience with Oracle.
"Oracle Solaris Cloud leverages core skillsets and world-class synergy through teamwork to provide clients worldwide with robust, scalable, modern turnkey implementations of flexible, personalized, cutting-edge Internet-enabled ebusiness application product suite esolution architectures that accelerate response to customer and real-world market demands and reliably adapt to evolving technology needs, seamlessly and efficiently integrating and synchronizing with their existing legacy infrastructure, enhancing the sodomy-readiness capabilities of their ecommerce production environments across the enterprise while giving them a critical competitive advantage and taking them to the next level."
...And firmware.
No ridiculously overpriced contract; no firmware updates.
Solaris? Wasn't that a lame sci-fi movie with George Clooney? It's a Unix-based OS from Oracle you say? Humm, never heard of it....
I guess Ellison changed his mind about cloud computing... here's him a year or two back ranting about how stupid the idea is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FacYAI6DY0
solaris is terrible for distributed compiling
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I think what I'm most excited for with this release is seeing if Oracle follows through on their promise to put out the source for the up-to-the-date work on ZFS. While ZFS at v28 has proven to be both a lot of fun and very useful for many of us, the updates since (first available for general use with Solaris 11 Express last year I believe) add a few really nice features, including crypto and work on block pointer rewrite. While the illumos project could certainly fork it if required, it would be really great if everyone could stay in sync more. After the acquisition, rather then do nightly releases there was a decision to opt for only releasing code with major versions, which while disappointing at least offered hope going forward. I don't see that Oracle has anything to lose here by staying open with that component, filesystems benefit a lot from widespread use and lots of testing, but, well, it is Oracle.
Ever since Oracle bought out Sun, they went overboard with the licensing costs for Solaris. Remember a few years back when Sun will let you run Solaris 10 for free? Well no more, if you have a non-Oracle two processor server it will cost you $2,000 per year. You don't own a license, you are basically renting the privilege to run Solaris on a server for one year. Also, you only get one flavor of support which they laughably call "premium". Their support is a joke now, and in my experience the good Sun engineers left a long time ago. For starters, you now get to talk to an overseas helpdesk which logs your call and for severity one issues, they give you a call back in an hour (if you're lucky). It used to be you will call an easy to remember number (1-800-USA-4SUN) and you will get a live transfer to a knowledgeable engineer to fix your problem. A few years ago I used to be a staunch supporter of Sun and Solaris but it seems like Oracle has done everything to drive me away from Sun's hardware and software. I am pretty sure I am not the only one either.
ZFS development has moved to FreeBSD.
Last I checked the most recent ZFS on-disk version available for FreeBSD was quite old. ZFS development has been picked up in earnest by Illumos as of late with a lot of backing from companies like Nexenta and Joyent.
ZFS development has moved to FreeBSD.
No. No, it has not.
Correct me if I'm wrong but:
* FreeBSD's ZFS is years behind what Illumos offers in features, and shows no signs of catching up.
* The same can be said about hardware support (and by support, I mean drivers which are considered stable) and a generally bug-free implementation. It's largely comparable to btrfs, but less verbose in actually telling you when something fucks up.
* the FreeBSD implementation is still dogged by performance issues. Any significant workload on ZFS is still marginal compared to, well, pretty much anything else (including, dare I say, NTFS on Windows).
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* FreeBSD's ZFS is years behind what Illumos offers in features, and shows no signs of catching up.
If you know so much about it, would you mind updating the Wikipedia article about ZFS that lists "Notable ZFS storage pool versions" with FreeBSD and Illumos both on 28.
... use the SmartOS fork instead. Do you really trust Oracle?
Come on Slashdot: surely the headline should have been "Solaris goes up too 11" !!
FreeBSD's ZFS is years behind what Illumos offers in features, and shows no signs of catching up.
FreeBSD 8-STABLE and 9-RELEASE contain ZFS v28, the same version of ZFS as OpenSolaris. iXSystems is now funding development, and it has seen quite a lot of bug fixes that have yet to be back-ported to any Solaris version.
the FreeBSD implementation is still dogged by performance issues. Any significant workload on ZFS is still marginal compared to, well, pretty much anything else (including, dare I say, NTFS on Windows).
I installed FreeBSD 9 BETA on a machine with three disks in a RAID-Z configuration and the only time the bottleneck for reading and writing to the array was not the GigE connection, was when I was writing to a compressed deduplicated filesystem. Then the CPU was the limit, at about 20-30MB/s. That's with a pretty anaemic CPU (1.6GHz AMD Fusion) and with WITNESS turned on in the kernel, which adds lots of extra error checking around kernel code and slows everything down.
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Solaris Zones have been around for years... more stupid "it's new & cloud-based" crap when is just re-marketing their old technology.
IBM destroyed the mainframe clone market. While I don't know much about it, Amdahl and others had machines compatible with the 360 architecture that would run IBM's operating systems. IBM has been successful in even keeping the free Hercules emulator from legally running their OS.
Larry Ellison has never destroyed a major competetor - Sybase and Informix still stand.
Ellison also did not build Union Carbide, Dow Chemical, or Monsanto. Ellison can sleep at night, deservedly so.
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is that the last version of OpenSolaris, released in the middle of 2009?