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Chrome Becoming World's Second Most Popular Web Browser

redletterdave writes with news that Google Chrome is in the process of surpassing Firefox to become the second most popular web browser. Pinpointing the exact time of the change is difficult, of course, since different analytics firms collect slightly different data. The current crop of media reports were triggered by data from StatCounter, which shows Chrome at 25.69% and Firefox at 25.23% for November. Data from Net Applications shows Firefox still holding a 4% lead, but the trends suggest it will evaporate within a few months.

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  1. And still... by bwintx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And still Mozilla doesn't get a clue that some of the recent changes are driving away users. Amazing.

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    1. Re:And still... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Chrome today is what the early releases of Firefix were: a lean, fast browser with a stripped down UI.
      Firefox has become a bloated piece of garbage.

    2. Re:And still... by 0123456 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And still Mozilla doesn't get a clue that some of the recent changes are driving away users. Amazing.

      Every time Chrome gains market share, the Firefox developers think they need to make Firefox more like Chrome, when that's exactly what's driving people away.

    3. Re:And still... by oodaloop · · Score: 4, Funny

      Version 11 is due out next week and is supposed to be faster.

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    4. Re:And still... by recoiledsnake · · Score: 4, Funny

      The worst thing is that it took me a few seconds to realize you weren't joking.

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    5. Re:And still... by buchner.johannes · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think Mozilla is very happy with the stats, because the real news is that the IE usage went down to almost ~50%, and we have today a diversity of browser (engines). Diversity ensures that we don't drive into a dead end, and Mozilla paved the way for alternative browsers, pushing websites away from IE-only design, and making the new technologies we have today possible (CSS, everything beyond HTML4, fast JS) -- although we have to give Microsoft credit for inventing Ajax.

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    6. Re:And still... by Pope · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Every time Chrome gains market share, the Firefox developers think they need to make Firefox more like Chrome, when that's exactly what's driving people away.

      Took the words right out of my mouth. Firefox devs' biggest problem is that they're duplicating Chrome's interface without any reflection or realization of why Chrome does things a certain way.

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    7. Re:And still... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you haven't used it for a long while, how do you know it's still slow and unstable?

    8. Re:And still... by Millennium · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Pretty much this. That's not to say that Chrome is bad: it isn't. But Firefox is trying to be Chrome, and no one is ever going to be better at being Chrome better than Chrome itself (except possibly Chromium, but that's something of an academic debate).

      In the process, Firefox is rapidly losing its own way. This is a shame, because I found more than a few of Firefox's old ways better than its new ones, or Chrome's for that matter. We're losing choice in the browser market because it's coming down not so much to a choice between Chrome and Firefox as between Chrome and imitation-Chrome, and Chrome will always win that.

      tl;dr version - Firefox lost its way when it started imitating other browsers, because it will never be able to beat the originals. It must instead become its own original, as it once was.

    9. Re:And still... by cockroach2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yet the only thing they really need to copy to get me to come back and try Firefox again is to replace the 13-click procedure for broken SSL certificates with a simple pop-up window. As it used to be.

    10. Re:And still... by Rogerborg · · Score: 4, Funny

      Version 11 is due out next week and is supposed to be faster.

      Yeah, sure, if you want to use an obsolete version, go ahead, Consumer McSheep. All the cool development work is now being done on version 15... uh, I'm sorry, while I was typing, attention shifted to 17. Ooh, shiny.

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    11. Re:And still... by SomePgmr · · Score: 5, Interesting

      There's truth in this.

      I use chrome on my windows machines... have for a long time. I was using either chrome or chromium on linux for some time too. But as it turns out, very basic functionality in the linux builds has been broken for as long as I can remember and your patience eventually runs out. For instance, bookmarks have never worked right in Chromium or Chrome. There are something like 20 related bug tracker entries for the same issues and they've never been fixed. And I just can't get by without working bookmarks anymore... they're kinda essential to a decent browser.

      So I put firefox back on those machines, and I was impressed that everything just works, and it's plenty fast. I'm sure it's because I've only got two extensions installed but I'm happy with it. Now I'm considering moving the windows machines back.

      Either way, you've gotta love having choices.

    12. Re:And still... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You guys are such hypocrites. When versions aren't released fast enough and you end up with memory leaks for months, you whine. When Mozilla takes a pro-active stance and decides to do faster release to get more stable code out there faster, you whine because .. the browser updates? WHO GIVES A SHIT? It's a number you never see unless you actually look for it, and it gets you a better product in the end. Seriously, what the hell?

    13. Re:And still... by 0123456 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You guys are such hypocrites. When versions aren't released fast enough and you end up with memory leaks for months, you whine.

      Uh, what?

      Why do you need to go from version 9 to version 10 in order to fix a memory leak?

      The only difference I've seen between 3.6 and whatever the heck version Ubuntu is shipping right now is that every new version has removed useful features or moved them around on the menus so I have to hunt around to find the damn things again.

    14. Re:And still... by Tsingi · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, it does work nicely, albeit a) more slowly than Chrome and b) it tends to crash for stupid reasons (most often while typing up a comment on Facebook; then again, maybe the universe is trying to tell me something).

      I do wish Firefox would implement Chrome’s method of auto-updating in the background (thus eliminating the wait at startup) and finally stop one tab or extension from crashing the whole browser.

      I haven't had it crash on me, I run it on Linux boxes.

      I use all of the browsers for dev, for personal use I use two, Firefox and Chrome.

      Firefox for personal browsing. I can't see that changing any time soon. Chrome for HTML5.

      Firefox beats the rest at privacy and user control hands down. As far as I'm concerned that makes it the best browser. Maybe they should keep all that and switch to webkit as an engine?

      I like that idea.

    15. Re:And still... by Runaway1956 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ditto, here. My Firefox is at 11.0a1 (2011-11-23). My updates come from the Ubuntu repositories - maybe if I downloaded them directly, I'd be a build ahead.

      There are differences between all the browsers, but I really can't tell that either Chrome or Firefox is "better" than the other. What was it that Shakey guy said? "Much ado about nothing", I believe. I DO NOT like IE, but Chrome, Firefox, Opera, and Safari all get the job done for me. I don't pay much mind to the metrics, to be honest.

      Although, I do look forward to the day that IE falls to 2nd, then 3rd, and then to 4th place. Just doesn't matter who is in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd!

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    16. Re:And still... by icebraining · · Score: 5, Informative

      AMO now automatically updates the major version for every extension that passes a series of automated tests.

    17. Re:And still... by Frankie70 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Version 11 is due out next week and is supposed to be faster.

      I heard that V12 is so fast that it is due this week - even before V11.

    18. Re:And still... by rubycodez · · Score: 3, Interesting

      and the useful extensions don't pass. that mantra of yours is getting old....

    19. Re:And still... by DarkTempes · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think the difference is that Chrome updates all of the time but it does it transparently (to the user) and so doesn't impact their browsing experience.

      If Firefox updated in the background and it didn't break anything in the process then no one would care.
      Well, except when major GUI changes happened and then everyone would have a fit because they didn't get a choice to not update and keep things like they were.

      Chrome has avoided that so far by pretty much keeping the same GUI throughout its lifespan.
      Alternatively, Chrome's design makes some add-ons not feasible (Adblock Plus doesn't really work well at blocking flash ads on Chrome last time I checked).

    20. Re:And still... by Bucky24 · · Score: 4, Funny

      They must be using neutrinos.

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    21. Re:And still... by 9jack9 · · Score: 4, Informative

      And still Mozilla doesn't get a clue that some of the recent changes are driving away users

      Actually, I switched BACK to Firefox during this last year from several years of Chrome recently, and I couldn't be happier. Extensions have been a big part of that. So have the recent changes.

      Noscript and Ghoster have shown me how truly pervasive Google is. The majority of websites that I ever visit run some sort of Google scripting. I'm not being a hater here. I like Google. That aren't evil, right? I just like having some control. Or at least the illusion of it. And I know, Mozilla gets funding from Google. I hope that doesn't mean that FF reports every click back to the Google mothership, but you never know.

      I also run Chrome, IE, and Opera, but of the bunch, I'm the happiest with Firefox.

    22. Re:And still... by The+Moof · · Score: 3, Funny

      Watching two people go back and forth about the bloat of Firefox versus IE is like watching two morbidly obese people argue about who's fatter.

    23. Re:And still... by elashish14 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And yet some users (like myself) still prefer Firefox because that bloated garbage actually translates into useful features. Firefox is still the best browser in terms of customizability and (consequently) respecting users' privacy.

      As far as I see, Firefox and Chrome occupy different niches - Chrome for more of a lean, one-size-fits-all approach, and Firefox for a more custom browsing experience (which, in my opinion is what makes it great). I know that Chrome has come a ways with some of the essentials like script- and ad-blockers, but Firefox still has the edge. While I'm sad to see that more users choose Chrome than FF, it doesn't mean that the most popular browser is the best. If that were the case, IE would still be king.

      Though it still annoys me to no end that Firefox can take 700MB on memory. On this machine with only 1GB of RAM, that's pretty serious. But it's still worth it IMO. I'll be upgrading soon anyways

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    24. Re:And still... by Bj�rn · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not true. Firefox is rather lean when it comes to memory use, and Chrome is actually somewhat poor. There are many comparisons available on-line, and the ones I have seen all come to that conclusion.

      Here is one on Tom's Hardware: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/firefox-chrome-opera,2558-4.html

      When comparing ten tabs the article states. "The big surprise here is Opera's and Chrome's poor showing in the multi-tab tests. Overall, Firefox delivers the best memory usage results. It comes in first place for the five- and ten-tab usage tests, but fourth in the single-tab metric."

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    25. Re:And still... by DeadboltX · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yet the only thing they really need to copy to get me to come back and try Firefox again is to replace the 13-click procedure for broken SSL certificates with a simple pop-up window. As it used to be.

      You open a page with an invalid certificate:
      1) click "I understand the risks"
      2) click "add exception"
      3) click "confirm exception"

      I'm not sure where you're extra 10 clicks are coming from.

  2. Inevitable. by fantazem · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think this was inevitable given how much better Chrome is then all the competition. Once Chrome gets the breadth of plugins that Firefox has, it's game over.

    1. Re:Inevitable. by Freedom+Bug · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Once Chrome gets the breadth of plugins that Firefox has, it'll be no better than Firefox.

      Modern Firefox is virtually as fast as Chrome and actually uses less memory than Chrome. `The problem is that many Firefox extensions leak memory and really slow Firefox down. The reason that Chrome's plugins don't is that Chrome plugins simply aren't allowed to do a lot of the things that Firefox extensions do.

    2. Re:Inevitable. by jonnythan · · Score: 4, Informative

      AdBlock Plus runs on Chrome. It's in Google's Chrome Web Store.

    3. Re:Inevitable. by jenic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      AdBlock Plus runs on Chrome. It's in Google's Chrome Web Store.

      Get back to me when they have a fully functioning NoScript.

    4. Re:Inevitable. by ohnocitizen · · Score: 4, Informative
      The problems with modern Firefox are:
      1. The UI itself is slow and prone to freezes
      2. If one page slows/freezes the browser, the entire application slows/freezes
      3. Firefox is currently less stable than Chrome

      If they fix these issues, they will see more users flock their way.

    5. Re:Inevitable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And fully functioning adblock plus. Because right now, it sucks.

  3. Complete lack of surprise by Synerg1y · · Score: 4, Interesting

    With the way things have been going for firefox, it was a matter of time, not competition. The community said they wanted a swing and the firefox team has consistently provided a tire. I get that firefox is open source and they don't have the resources of google or microsoft, but still for a long time they were extremely competitive. What happened? My guess is they either stopped caring about anybody actually using firefox for anything reliable and began toying with the source, or senior developers left the project and were replaced by monkeys.

    I actually had a chat on slashdot with a developer of ff. The guy was so disillusioned towards why would people ever have expectations of an open source project and he can do wtf he wants cause he's not getting paid to do it. Well he's right, but what will he do when nobody is using firefox anymore?

    1. Re:Complete lack of surprise by kripkenstein · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How difficult is it to set a stable extensions API, make extension developers aware of it, and then making the browser get out of the way?

      It's very difficult, with certain types of extension APIs.

      We could just drop the current extension API entirely and replace it with one like Chrome has. That would make things much simpler, it could be stable, there would be no way for extensions to leak memory or slow down the browser, and the browser could auto-update very easily. However, that means throwing out all the current extensions that Firefox has. Worse, that new extension API would not allow recreating all the current extensions either - stable, safe extension APIs are necessarily more limiting: They are stable and safe because they don't let extensions do everything. The upside is safety and stability, the downside is the addons are less powerful, that is they can do less. As one example, Firefox addons can radically change how the browser looks, Chrome addons cannot. There is a tradeoff here, I am not saying one approach is better than the other, but just that you can't have everything.

      Firefox is taking two paths here: First, we are adding a new, safe&stable extension API (Jetpack addons). But we are also keeping the existing one, and making a lot of complex changes to the browser to allow those addons to be updated automatically etc., so the current downsides are less troublesome. That takes time, but each release is an improvement (in the number of addons that can auto-update, for example).

  4. Re:Yay by MyLongNickName · · Score: 5, Funny

    I would have had first post but was applying my Firefox updates.

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  5. Re:ff sux by swinferno · · Score: 3, Informative

    it really does not. I still find the available plug-ins and interface reason enough to continue FF as my main browser even if it takes 2 second longer to load on start up...soit

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  6. Re:Yay by recoiledsnake · · Score: 5, Funny

    And your FirstPost extension broke?

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  7. Firefox is to blame by lsolano · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not saying that Chrome is not a good browser, but, what happened IMHO is not that Chrome is getting better, instead, FF is getting worse every day.

    I do not know how the Flash Plugin in a browser can suddenly take the 90% of a i7 CPU.

    FF people forgot what made them succeed: simplicity.

    1. Re:Firefox is to blame by dargaud · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes, particularly FF on Linux. It used to worked great, but in the last 6 months or so, after a few hours of use, FF maxes up my memory and CPU and starts crawling in molasses. Never had the problem before. A kill/restart fixes it but it's a PITA. Chrome is so much faster.

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  8. No surprise due to bundling by birukun · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We are constantly removing Chrome from the software packages that are bundling it. Kind of a turnoff for me.

    Just like getting a new PC with all the trialware crap.

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    1. Re:No surprise due to bundling by Hentes · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hey, it's perfectly okay because it's not Microsoft that's doing it but Google.

  9. Déjà vu by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When Firefox appeared on the scene, it gave Microsoft the kick up the arse it needed to improve their crappy, aging browser.

    When Chrome appeared on the scene, it gave Mozilla the kick up the arse it needed to improve their crappy, aging browser.

    It'll be interesting to see if the same thing happens in a few years with IE.

  10. They screwed it with the new release process by danielcolchete · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Do you know what changed between FF4 and FF10? Almost nothing! Really! From FF6 to FF10 it is nothing for sure. But they managed to break addon compability 7 times in between. So, from what I understood, we were going to have releases from often so that we could get more features more frequently. We got nothing! Or almost nothing. I jumped of from FF6 to Chrome and I lived happily ever after. By the way, 5% of the Internet users are stuck with the outdated FF3.6 today, without the HTML5 advances of FF4 and FF6, because of this new release process. It is as if we need another browser vendor holding the web back. Thank you Mozilla.

    1. Re:They screwed it with the new release process by Microlith · · Score: 3, Insightful

      they managed to break addon compability 7 times in between

      Which is inexcusable really, I mean, it's not like the betas are kept behind closed doors and dropped on users and addon developers at the same time. That addon developers can't be arsed to keep up with the changes and really, the shift from FF3.6 to 4.0 broke more addons than subsequent changes from 5-11 (especially if you use the Addon Compatibility Reporter to enable them.)

      Well, except for the competent ones like NoScript and AdblockPlus, which work great even up in the latest builds of Nightly.

    2. Re:They screwed it with the new release process by Freedom+Bug · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, Firefox has done a lot to improve addon compatibility. They now have a bot that checks the API calls of all addons in their repository and automatically marks those that don't use any changed API's.

  11. One advantage FF has over Chrome, IMO by bjdevil66 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Google's views on privacy. Maybe my view is born of ignorance about what Chrome actually does track vs. doesn't track, but as of now I just can't trust them enough to use that browser all the time. I can't get past the, "Just don't do anything wrong..." comments by the Google leadership a while back.

    1. Re:One advantage FF has over Chrome, IMO by fish+waffle · · Score: 4, Informative

      According to wikipedia at least, there is only one fully non-optional point at which chrome contacts its masters, and that's a unique token generated during install to count unique installs. After that you can avoid any info being sent back to google by turning off settings for instant search, not agreeing to send crash reports, not using google search, disabling auto-updates, and never mistyping a page name and getting a server not found error. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome#Usage_tracking

      It is more effort than is required with FF, and although they've _promised_ not to be evil it is wise to be wary of evolving intentions and what will become of all the info they collect. But note that use of instant google search and auto-suggest and the safe-search settings send info to google when using FF as well, so that's not much different.

  12. I'm sticking with Firefox. by Beelzebud · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I trust Firefox with my privacy rights more than I trust Google, which is simply an advertising company.

  13. Adblock by NYYz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I like Chrome, but until Adblock works as well as it does on Firefox I'm not interested. I'm not willing to watch Youtube commercials.

  14. stranglehold broken; don't do it again by Onymous+Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Diversity ensures that we don't drive into a dead end, and Mozilla paved the way for alternative browsers, pushing websites away from IE-only design, and making the new technologies we have today possible

    Exactly. Their main objective at the outset was to "take back the web". The shape of this graph, where it comes back from monopoly around 2004, is because of Firefox. We all have good reason to be thankful.

    Microsoft's stranglehold on the market let them define the standards including not make any progress for 5 damned years. Stuck with cross-browser incompatibilities, stuck without technological progress or many of the features we take for granted these days, stuck with a browser that got everyone's system hacked and ate up countless geek hours with reinstalls. Man, what a nightmare.

    And it wasn't just Microsoft's fault. It was also the fault of the users who did not opt for a heterogeneous browser ecosystem. Granted, it's a lot to ask the average person to defend a "heterogeneous browser ecosystem", but at least the geeks (and epidemiologists) should get it. And if you don't, let me spell it out for you: Don't push us towards browser monoculture . Not again, please. That sucked.

  15. Screw them both by DJ+Jones · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I switched to Opera just 2 days ago and it blew my mind. It's fast, lightweight and does everything you need and nothing more. It's what firefox used to be before it jumped the shark.

  16. Re:just keep copying opera by SJHillman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I use Opera as my primary browser and I absolutely love it, but I have to admit that it's not as idiot-friendly as Fx or Chrome so I rarely recommend it to other people. Opera is great for power users who appreciate the fact that you don't need to install plugins, extensions, add-ons or bells and whistles to make it a useable browser. However, I do highly recommend Opera Mini to users with mobile devices due to the fact it tends to be faster thanks to Oepra Turbo as well as more user friendly and intuitive than the native Android, etc browsers.

  17. Konquering the world by flyingfsck · · Score: 3, Informative

    I always liked KDE Konqueror browser, but never thought that it would supplant Firefox - albeit by a different name.

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  18. Try Perspectives by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

    they really need [...] to replace the 13-click procedure for broken SSL certificates with a simple pop-up window.

    Most people will just click past a broken certificate even when it's an obvious man in the middle (MITM) attack because they want to see the dancing bunnies.

    But there's an extension for that, and it's called Perspectives. A browser with the Perspectives extension communicates with notaries scattered throughout the Internet to make sure that the certificate you see is the same certificate that other people have been seeing. The one weakness happens when the MITM is between the SSL server and its only connection to the Internet, but the Perspectives developers appear to operate under the assumption what the whitepaper calls an "Lserver attack" won't happen often.

  19. Safari by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I use safari so I have to post an off topic comment right below the first post. In the 2 years I went from safari to firefox, cause it lacked plugins and compatibility, and then when firefox got slow to chrome which was lightning fast. But Then I noticed that for chrome didn't work well with Netflix streaming (Netflix tech support agrees so it's not me) and I also started getting more and more ads related to websites I visited. To solve the Netflix streaming issues, I went back to safari with Lion 10.7. And Wow, safari is now awesome. It's plenty fast and has plugins like flash block. It works on more sites than even Firefox. I briefly flirted with Opera but liked safari because it was more mac-like in expected behaviors.

    So for the next year I'm using safari. Which browser is king varies.

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  20. Thank you by Gordo_1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Slashdot bandwagon immediately sees the opportunity to point out that "Firefox sucks because 8.0 should be called 5.0.3" and you reveal the real reason that Chrome is everywhere: They're bundling it with bloody well everything but the kitchen sink and the same lemmings that used IE6 until recently are now finding Chrome icons on their desktops.

  21. Does Chrome have an identity crisis? by damn_registrars · · Score: 4, Interesting
    For example, this line from my web access log:

    124.82.44.82 - - [02/Dec/2011:03:22:20 -0500] "GET /favicon.ico HTTP/1.1" 200 247 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1) AppleWebKit/535.2 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/15.0.874.121 Safari/535.2"

    We see Mozilla, Chrome, and Safari all on the same line. And I see a lot of lines like that. In fact of 587 lines I saw in my log that accessed the favicon.ico page, they all mentioned Mozilla and only three did not mention Safari.

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  22. Angry Birds by bradgoodman · · Score: 3, Funny

    A true testimony to the power of Angry Birds...