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Publicly Available Russian Election Results Hint At Fraud
gotfork writes "As some Russians protest the results of the recent election, several commentators (Russian), have started looking at the results which are posted to the election commission web site and there's very strong evidence of fraud. Voter turnout correlates strongly with percent voting for the ruling party, United Russia, and there are a lot of polling stations with nearly 100% turnout and 100% voting for United Russia in some unusual places. The raw data is posted so you can do your own analysis."
Do they do that at all in Russia? Still, 100%...lol. Putin doesn't even care anymore.
the Elections vote for you!
someone had to say it
And nothing's changed a bit.
I'm sure that if they used electronic voting machines the results would have been much more accurate. At least until Putin's old KGB friends got to them.
blindly antisocialist = antisocial
In Soviet Russia the government votes for you!
The ad should be retitled "Russia Doesn't Even Bother to Pretend to Have a Legitimate Election." Why would they? It's Russia. Historically speaking, it'd be weird to the point of unsettling if it weren't rotten to the core.
Look, he's even offering to throw a tea party for all of you with doubts. Drink up!
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
Palm trees and 8
In Soviet Russia, 137% vote for Putin!
...candidate votes for YOU!
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
I guess they really are united.
Someone tell me/us about Russian politics. Does it matter?
For example, here in the US, there is one party, with one set of goals (globalism, imperial global warfare everywhere, war on drugs, tax relief for the 1% and F the 99%, deindustrialize the country, expand the parasitical financial sector at all costs, etc). We have two independent marketing departments that put on a huge show to pacify the population into thinking it matters which marketing department did a better job, D or R. But, it doesn't really matter which side's marketing message was better, we'll have the same result in the end. We've had stolen elections here, but rioting about it would be as stupid as rioting about a sports game, or fighting over a card or board game, in other words some folks take advantage of the chaos to steal goods from stores, about a hundred people will show up on the news because they like being on the TV news, but most people wisely just don't care. Once you're beaten down, you're beaten down for good, here.
Is it the same way in Russia, basically one party rule and it doesn't matter who wins, or does it really matter in terms of policies and leadership? I'm just trying to figure out if I should care, if this could in any way really affect anyone, or if this is like US politics where its about as important as a bad umpire call in a ice hockey game.
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Someone's simplistic models do not explain observed facts. Therefore facts must be wrong.
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Russians are on the street protesting.
Americans are on the street protesting.
Europeans are on the street protesting.
The middle east is on the street protesting.
Africa is on the street protesting.
Dose anyone know a place where people are actually happy with their government?
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*Crosses arms while American flag waves in the background* "F(BLEEP)in" stupid Russians!"
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WOT is showing that link is "red"...get it...
Similar charts could obtained when results for opposition parties are plotted. Russia is BIG with large political swings and different voter activity depending on the region. Those are non independent variables, as result if significantly large and diverse region is taken . i.e Moscow the distributions are non Gaussian and multi-modal. The very similar looking distributions could be obtained for example for ultra-liberal "Jabloko" party.
I Guess its a very good thing, people came to demostrate for their rights! I would say that putin has to go home! Everybody knows that russia is corrupt. Its time to end it!
It was obscured by a dimpled chad.
The old saw about "voting early, and voting often" and shuttle buses to the polling places from all of the local cemetaries, a fine old tradition here in Chicago, was duly hijacked by Russia. At least they are not flying in the face of a tradition that we started... :rolleyes:
So, United Russian wants to make themselves look "legitimate"?
How is releasing results that confirm blatant voter fraud helping their argument? This is only going to bolster the opposition who'll hold these results up and say "See... see how they fucked us all!"
It appears to me that Putin and his political machine are if anything, not stupid. They want to stay in power, indefinitely. This does not achieve this aim.
I can only imagine that there's an angle to this story that my westernized perspective and extremely poor understanding of Russian culture/politics can't quite grasp.
Please Russian slashdotters... please explain this!
Yes Francis, the world has gone crazy.
...they'd got Diebold machines in.
Operation Guillotine is in effect.
Votes given before the voting started:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzOXn3wRjJU
Here's one with english subtitles:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLs8kv3u1hw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=Hw-5y9fy4zU
I have family in Russia. One of them told me about their colleague, a woman who's responsible for signing the ballot count. The votes are counted, the Communist Party is a clear winner in that riding, and she signs. Someone from United Russia then brings her a different paper, with the count modified to make United Russia (Putin's party) win. She says "I can't sign this, this is fraud." "Sign it." "No, I can't." "Sign it or you'll lose your job." Her meager salary is already not enough to live on, she can't afford to lose it. So she signs.
Reek of fraud would be a better choice of words. Spew forth a putrid stench of fraud, even. Bash you over the head with a hammer of fraud in a dark alley of fraud, leaving you bleeding and unconscious in a puddle of fraud as dismal raindrops of fraud fall from a fraudulent sky.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that it was very likely fraud.
Of course the results are fraudulent... they just aren't as good at hiding that shit as our politicians are. Of course, over there they just shoot people for asking the wrong questions whereas over here the government pretends to give a shit and gives politicians a slap on the wrist for getting caught...
The thing is that the author of such analysis makes the claim that the % of votes for a particular party does not depend on voter turnout. He thinks that percentage does not change, regardless of whether you have 10% turnout or 100% turnout. That's the lynchpin of his argument. I am not sure one can make that claim. You would have to be a sociologist, not a mathematician.
I don't see any protesters there. It must be the happiest place on the planet.
I was promised a flying car. Where is my flying car?
Looking at the totals at the bottom of the article, the fraud would only lower the votes for Putin's United Russia by 6 percentage units. However, this would be enough to make a coalition of the second, third and fourth party larger than United Russia.
A kleptocracy run by exKGB (current KGB?) who stifles speech and protest "against the national interest" has some voting irregularities. Who woulda thunk it?
I think election fraud is more common in Democracies than one would think or, at the very least, attempts are common. One only need point out the Diebold electronic voting machine scandal where a purported "bug" skewed election results in favor of the Republicans. While there is a remote possibility that this was an honest bug, I am not naive enough to believe it. Diebold refused to divulge their code and the machines didn't even have any auditing facilities. It is absolutely ripe for manipulation and enough money secretly changing hands can sway an election. I guess an honest politician is mostly an oxymoron.
In America, it's been done at least 3 times, and there was no riot, hardly any protest, and those few who did stand up against it were told to get back in line and not make a fuss.
Who can name the three times? And no, picking Lincoln doesn't count.
Putin's advisor says: ... Mr. Putin, I have good news and bad news. The bad news is your party only got 15% of the votes...
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- And the good news?
- You still won!
Every end has half a stick.
If the Russian authorities are going to commit electoral fraud, do you think they are going to do it by having a 100% turnout with 100% voting for United Russia?
Of-course it is all fraud, there are plenty of videos shot during the elections of so called 'carousel' (merry go-round) voters, who were paid to go and vote multiple times in dozens of locations for United Russia. There are cases of just stealing the final results and replacing them with fake pro-United Russia results. There are cases of pre-made voting ballots being thrown into the voting urns, all this is true.
But after the anti-Putin protest that happened last week, with over 40 thousand people attending just in Moscow (video) Here is a video of the anti-anti-Putin protesters (so pro-United Russia protest), that just happened, and this so called 'protest' was shown on the First Channel (main pro-government TV channel), saying that there were 25 thousand people in the crowd, which is nonsense, but more interestingly what kind of people were there. In that video the attendees are asked why did they come to this 'protest' and they either don't respond, or they are drunk and respond with pure nonsense, or they barely speak Russian (don't forget, United Russia) and they don't even understand the question well, but they answer that they are here at work or from their work.
So it's a sham, everything, start to finish (related videos to that one show people being invited to these pro-Putin protests with promises of money). Then there is this video, where people are being paid just after the pro-Putin protest. A girl in the video says: this is how we sell out Russia.
Yes, it's a sham.
You can't handle the truth.
Forgot to include the link from the 10th of December anti-Putin, anti-United Russia protests.
You can't handle the truth.
The US won't put voting results online. Won't make them public. Won't allow analysis.
Wow, we're worse than RUSSIA!!!
I suppose maybe before we whine about THEIR elections we should make ours as transparent and fair.
Good luck with that.
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Well, for most of 2011 at least.
For those not following the news, Belgium was without a government for the longest time in history, closing in on two years before FINALLY a government formed at the end of this year.
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Russians are on the street protesting.
Americans are on the street protesting.
Europeans are on the street protesting.
The middle east is on the street protesting.
Africa is on the street protesting.
Dose anyone know a place where people are actually happy with their government?
Iceland - they nationalised the banks and told the IMF to fuck off.
They devalued their currency, and their economy is now growing.
The President and Prime Minister are very popular.
why the US can't manage to get 50% turnout even in a presidential election year
Because they don't want what government is trying to sell them (i.e. more government).
When you vote, you vote for more government, no matter who you vote for. How do I know this? Because in a system which claims to offer these two distinct choices -- more government and less government -- the only result has been more government.
Conclusion: You can't vote for less government, because less government isn't a true choice, but merely lip service.
So graze on, graze, you peaceful peoples!
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You will not wake to honor’s call.
What need have herds for gifts of freedom?
They’re used to shears and butcher’s stall.
(Original in Russian here. Could not pass
Sigh. Four years ago, United Russia fraudulently got the 2/3 majority in the current parliament, in the same way, with all the same-looking statistics. This parliament passed, without a contest, some "nice" constitution changes (extending the presidential term from four to six years, extending the parliamentary term from four to five years). Now United Russia has a simple majority, by fraud. Yeah, these are "very minor inconsistencies not affecting the election outcome", as Putin has replied the protesters days ago.
It's easy to say "the party of crooks and thieves," but the problem that lets this happen is deeper... it's in the people, in the deeply rooted customs of the country.
17779 eligible voters in a district, 17779 'vote' as one. This is Russia.
Those horrible, corrupt foreign Governments.
30 Major U.S. Corporations Paid More to Lobby Congress Than Income Taxes, 2008-2010
"Despite a growing federal deficit and the widespread economic stability that has swept the U.S since 2008, the companies in question managed to accumulate profits of $164 billion between 2008 and 2010, while receiving combined tax rebates totaling almost $11 billion. Moreover, Public Campaign reports these companies spent about $476 million during the same period to lobby the U.S. Congress, as well as another $22 million on federal campaigns, while in some instances laying off employees and increasing executive compensation."
To keep profits inflated by capturing legislation, favorable to their businesses. Free market, my arsehol3.
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Never been known to fail..."
And do you have to propose for Russia you facebook controled monkeys?
If you don't like your country, you can always emigrate, you know there are many opportunities in America for "inteligent" people like you
Go Putin go!
Wow, a KGB agent learned to use a keyboard. That's 'intelligent' for you, dumb ass.
You can't handle the truth.
The majority of the military still votes Republican, so the Democrats are the ones you will find challenging their absentee ballots. It was a big stink in Florida in 2000, where Bush won largely on those absentee ballots. The Democrats were trying to throw out as many of them as possible.
If there was any effort to prevent your aunt from voting, it would have been by the Democrats in order to hinder that Republican voting bloc.
Where's Jimmy?
"The Borba"
Corrupt politics has been so heavily ingrained in two systems in our country's history, that there was absolutely no way to operate there without being directly involved in the corruption.
This isn't just "corrupt things happen here or there," but an entire system based on entrenched corruption and patronage. The party bosses run the show regardless of what the people or individual elected politicians might want.
Chicago is one, New York's Tammany Hall prior to the 1950s is the other. Both are Democrat. Although to his credit, the Democrat FDR helped kill Tammany Hall.
As far as Obama's involvement, he was practically appointed to his first State Senate seat by the incumbent Alice Palmer, who endorsed him as her successor when she decided to run for Congress. In a classic twist, he had her disqualified after she decided to keep the seat, thus securing the nomination for himself. By the rules of Chicago politics, the election doesn't matter, only who gets the Democrat nomination, since that person is guaranteed to win by the machine. He is a very skillful within the framework of a corrupt political machine.
The bigger the government, the more this will happen.
Imagine a government that didn't have the power to create entire new industries, the power to pick winners and losers in the commercial sector, through regulation or legislation. The corporations that make money through this now wouldn't have anybody to lobby, they wouldn't have any influence.
Wow. I totally agree with roman_mir. That's something unusual.
Might be due to the lack of street though...
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There are a few interesting videos on YouTube. Some show men with hundreds of prepared ballots going into the box at a time (by the same hand). Its easier if you tip the box over and push 30-40 in at a time. I worked with a lady who grew up in Soviet Union. She said that elections don't matter because either 1) one party is just as bad (corrupt/useless) as another, and 2) even if you bother to vote, the pre-arranged party will always come out on top. I was disappointed by her statements, but looking at what the Republicans did under G.W. Bush, and then what has happened under Obama, (1) looks approximately correct, leaving just (2). At the very least, the new guys have to be re-bribed by the corporations, and it will cost them money to get their way (and there might be an (albeit slim)) chance that some might not be bribe-able. In Russia, they are hoping for a change in (1), and at the very least, they can try for (2). It looks like Putin and United Russia might have tried to fix (1) ala George W. "hanging chads" Bush. Florida went Republican when 60% of the people voted Democrat. What up?
FYI, the 40,000 protesters is a sham. Someone has counted the heads, literally, in one rectangular area, then extrapolated it, and got the 20-25,000 number at the very maximum: http://dazor.livejournal.com/105114.html
Someone else used a program to count the protesters: http://politrash-ru.livejournal.com/59110.html, got the same 25,000 number.
Whatever, you shill, people were coming in and moving out and that 'program' uses faulty counting based on 'dark dots' or whatever. Definitely nobody was paid to go there unlike with these pro-putin bullshit.
You can't handle the truth.
Disabled veterans are eligible for a Department of Defense ID card, not just VA. It is considered a valid form of federal identification. Spouses and children of active duty personnel also receive a DoD ID card, valid as identification.
As far as food stamps, remember that the lower ranks are equal to entry-level jobs in any other profession (actually a bit better). They don't pay much, so it's not a good idea to start a large family at those pay levels. A young E4 makes $2,000 a month, which is great for a single guy who also gets free food, housing, utilities and health care. Get a wife who doesn't work and have four kids, you just screwed yourself (although the military actually pays more for that).
But still, there is no way that 40% need food stamps. Even then, any number is inflated because the USDA (the agency overseeing food stamps) doesn't count free government housing as income. Most military food stamp recipients live on base, getting this free housing, which technically brings their income into food stamp eligibility. If they lived off post and were receiving housing allowance (which is counted) equal to their rent and utilities, they would be making too much for food stamps.
1. Very detailed (down to individual voting stations) voting results were made available, although they were used to do similar analysis after the past elections.
2. United Russia was barely able to get the majority in Duma, even with all the "irregularities"
3. Internet was used to organize a mass rally (30-50k people in Moscow, thousands in other places). This one is a first. And these were not radicals that are happy to rally for whatever cause, but middle class - people that didn't go to the streets since 1991.
This is the first time in a while I have some hope for the future of Russia.
The alternatives are COMMUNISM and ultranationalists! Those are far, far worse than Putin could ever be. Who cares about voter fraud or some rally on TV? Communism has killed millions upon millions of people, it is an evil that must be opposed, just like the Nazi party. Ultranationalists would drive Russia into war and nuclear armageddon.
Your voting alternative to Putin isn't Obama. It's Stalin. It's a real-life Imran Zakhaev. What do you think your protests and standard of living will look like then? The alternatives to United Russia are so bad you should be absolutely terrified of them losing power. The downfall of communism and ultranationalism is something people have historically thought were worth fighting for. Worth dying for. And you would welcome them with open arms because... some crowd sizes weren't consistently reported on TV? Do you know what your TV would look like if the ultranationalists took over?
"And remember... no Russian."
I do have a comment on the choices, there are no good choices in Russia, but saying Putin is the only choice because he is the least worst, the is the tallest midget in the room (no disrespect to the small people), is also wrong. To wrongs don't make a right, and so Putin needs to be removed, by force if needed.
You can't handle the truth.
And do you have to propose for Russia you facebook controled monkeys?
For starters, an actual democracy where people get exactly what they vote for.
In Russia the belief in the secret ballot is so strong that not even the voter gets to see the ballot before it goes in the box.
Finally! A year of moderation! Ready for 2019?
We typically don't give a fuck as long as long as someone ensures we have a beer in one hand.
It is a insightful comment, and I agree with you. It sucks, and the Russian people should have better than the status quo. Putin won't get Russia to any sort of ideal. But communism and ultranationalists won't either. They're a step in the wrong direction, and are even worse. You know as well as I do you would see more abuses of power, and less chance of a strong middle class forming.
Replacing Putin, violently or not, is only of benefit if the replacement is better than Putin, and United Russia. When they are worse in every way, it is pointless. Change isn't always a good thing, and killing is a two-way street.
Also, in the US, petroleum and mining jobs are very lucrative, and petroleum and mining engineers are at the upper end of the middle class. Even with corruption present the Russian standard of living and average income has increased significantly under Putin. That's pretty good, considering Putin came into a worse mess than even Obama, and walks a very, very fine line. Putin also did clean up a great deal of corruption and oligarchs from Yeltsin's time; if trying to do so gets you assassinated in Russia, then Putin is a very lucky man to get his tea without polonium.
I've heard there's some precincts with 130% turnout!
I tried looking at Benford's Law for various parts of the data. It looks OK, i.e. the numbers weren't just raw fabrication:
https://github.com/jywarren/benfords-law
http://unterbahn.com/2011/12/what-are-kremlin-activists-using-to-analyze-vote-data/
I checked the results (the 65K at least) for the individual parties, and United Russia and the communists came out very odd to the others.
Publicly Available Russian Election Results Scream Fraud loud and clear.
They also wouldn't have any reigns. A multi-billion dollar corporation has very few limits not imposed by the government, and the fact that they can spend that money to influence the government into removing those limits isn't made better by removing the governing body and all its limits in the first place. Imagine instead a government where such lobbying via-pocketbook isn't permitted, and legal merits are argued on purely equal grounds. Since we're both in the business of imagining fantasy worlds that is, where everything would just work the way we imagine it would.
Is the high inflation making their money somewhat valueless, the lack of any international credibility in the business markets, other countries viewing them as a basketcase, and them ending up more isolated than they really want to be in the world in the current era. Their populace may think everything is ok, but even they must have noticed that imported goods are becoming expensive at a greater rate than home produce is.
Citation needed.
Get real.
Someone's done the analysis on the raw data: http://uwdatasci.wordpress.com/2011/12/13/graphing-russias-election-fraud/ It shows some pretty awesome fraud going on.
Well we were going to protest against the government, but people were either being poisoned by fauna or watching the cricket.