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First time accepted submitter dmiller1984 writes "I am a high school computer teacher and I've been put in the unique situation of designing my ideal computer lab since our high school will be undergoing a major expansion over the summer. I thought the Slashdot community might have some great ideas to help me out. I've never liked the lecture hall labs that I've seen in some schools, but I would like some way to get natural light in the room without worrying about glare on the computer screens (skylights, perhaps?). What are some of your ideas for a great computer lab for education?"

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  1. So.. by Anrego · · Score: 5, Informative

    Only thing I can think of is add some vegetation. A few well placed plants does wonders for a room. Maybe some geek paraphernalia around the room to get people in the right mindset

    As usual, ergonomics are important. Get chairs and monitors that adjust easily, keyboards/trays with the proper support (and again, adjustable) and maybe educate students on how they should set up their work environment before they. Oh, and a decent amount of desk space. Just because they are working on a computer doesn’t mean they won’t be working from a book or have some other reason to need a little room to work.

    Of course once you’ve drawn your balanced, well thought out and researched plan, it will promptly be rejected and the school can proceed to bring in some cheap tables and place an order with Dell ;p

    best of luck and have a great life!

    1. Re:So.. by Anrego · · Score: 1

      * before they start working every class

      I'm not the best when it comes to hammering out quick replies and tend to introduce mistakes like that, but sometimes, I swear slashdot is disappearing my words on me...

    2. Re:So.. by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 5, Funny

      What is geek paraphernalia? 1980's posters telling you that "Computers don't Byte?" Or a road sign that says " this way to the information super highway!". Ugh, eck. Wrong.

      Do it like it was done unto me.

      Put some vim posters, and maybe sections of kernel.h printed on ye old'e green and white.

      And make the room dark and foreboding. Loop 1980's new wave bands intermixed with psychedelic 60/70's. No natural light, sections of light banks that can be independently turned on and off as to provide just enough light to make out each other and the obstacles around you. Bonus points if more than one tube flickers and sends sparks intermittently.

      Develop some rituals for the students, some incantations to the mighty computers. Sell copious amounts of energy drinks and high sugar snacks on the down low to your students to buy better equipment than the school board provides and give them super human coding skills.

      Worked well enough for me and my cohorts.

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    3. Re:So.. by Anrego · · Score: 2

      I was thinking more like having an old TRS-80 (or dragon32.. which is what I learnt on) set up and functioning in the corner ;p

      I never got into the dark lighting thing. Vi(m) .. sure.. but always in a well lit room.

      And lose the techno...put on some pink floyd!

    4. Re:So.. by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      New wave isn't techno. Pink Floyd is 70's psychedelic, IMHO. That's exactly who I had in mind.

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    5. Re:So.. by Anrego · · Score: 1

      Yeah I realized that like 10 seconds after I posted. Knee jerk reaction. Slow brain day :(

    6. Re:So.. by jd · · Score: 2

      Plants are good. Not as I usually do (giant redwood cuttings) but something more appropriate. Real plants, though, not plastic. Because labs will vary in temperature more than most places, these'll need to be plants that can handle a decent range of conditions.

      Light isn't a problem if monitors have anti-glare screens. Clip-on anti-glare covers for flatscreens are just fine and then you will only need them for a small number of monitors.

      Ergonomics is absolutely vital, never mind important. I'd recommend getting reasonable-quality keyboards, too, because that impacts the user more than one might think.

      Desk space should be comparable to the lab space you'd expect someone in a chemistry lab to have, or a quality library. Enough for the computer, lab book, text book and the student. In fact, a chemistry lab makes an ideal template for space requirements. Just as it would be Really Bad if a thrashing elbow could topple a Bunsen burner or a beaker of hydrofluoric acid, it would be Really Bad if computer students disrupted each other in the course of perfectly normal working.

      Layout should depend on space available. There are definite advantages to a Greek Ampitheatre layout with the lecturer at the focal point. One is that this will eliminate the glare issue entirely, another is that the lecturer can be heard over large numbers of fans. The disadvantage is that it's space-hungry and schools often have to place a very high premium on space. (Inadequate funding being one major cause.) Curved workspaces look a bit more sci-fi and high-tech than boring rows.

      A picture of the current Linux kernel as seen via the Linux Kernel Graphing project (modified as needed) would look great, especially if you could get some students to turn the ceiling into a massive plotter and vector-draw the entire thing. An even better hack would be to make the ceiling a white-board and have it updated with every release, bonus credit to the first to spot the biggest change since last lab session.

      Wall art should not include boring or "motivational" phrases. A fresco of some major event in technology would be cool (and would help with inter-departmental politics since it would make a neat art project). Traditional adventure gaming maps of MUD1 and Dungeon, a mobile made of relic computer parts, maybe an old teletype in the corner (with a dunce's hat on it), something to show that technology is always in flux and that the rigid line between serious use and entertainment never existed at any time in the history of computing.

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    7. Re:So.. by wierd_w · · Score: 2

      Glare is caused by hard-incident light.

      Simply use frosted glass on the windows to diffuse the hard light, and monitor glare vanishes unless the monitors directly face the window. (Bad idea. It causes eyestrain from the contrast.)

      The rows should ideally form "[" shaped units that face outward, with the teacher's station near the center of the floorspace. This way the teacher can easily see what all the students are doing. Eye-contact with the lecture is overrated in my opinion, but swivel chairs would accomplish that too if the teacher insists on it. 2 of the walls should ideally be frosted glass, with droppable curtains to occult the light when using a digital projector. The projector shines on the wall behind the teacher's desk. In addition to the projector, student's screens should be swappable to the projector feed, in case students would rather see it that way. (This also keeps kids from fucking off on the computer during lecture material.)

      Some plants, a higher ceiling with recessed lights (cloudy days, winter classes, etc) to prevent hard light and to keep the room from feeling confined and stuffy are great ideas.

      Try not to jam workstations in like sardines. Each student needs at least a 3 square foot work envelope that is strictly thiers. 5ft is better. This minimizes cheating, since their neighbor's computer is too far away to be easily seen, and minimizes horseplay in the lab.

      The ability to turn on the radio over the presentation system is a nice perk, as is the ability to slave the overhead digital projector from a student's workstation for student presentations, such as software development projects. Both need to be easilly controlled from the teacher's workspace.

      Hardware wise, I would suggest creatively crippling the systems, and using a linux like environment. Wine can do anything MS office wants, so that isn't an issue. The added security features and increased difficulty of students secretly smuggling unapproved software onto the workstations is put to good use this way. I would suggest using diskless workstations with a local fileserver to further combat inappropriate use.

    8. Re:So.. by helix2301 · · Score: 1

      I would ask for a smart board makes showing videos, projections, powerpoints and interaction more fun and entertaining. A lot of schools are going with smart boards instead of regular white boards. Prometian makes a good one with USB support and ready made flip charts to help.

    9. Re:So.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      make sure you have nothing but macs in your lab my friend. ok you may pay a lot more for parts and to get moderately powerful machines you'll need to spend a small fortune, but the point is that we need to start training a new generation of brain-dead consumers and that has to take priority.

      good luck!

    10. Re:So.. by Tooke · · Score: 1

      Put some emacs posters, and maybe sections of kernel.h printed on ye old'e green and white.

      FTFY

      I almost wanted to mod you as a troll for a second there. Almost.

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    11. Re:So.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I agree with your comment on desk space. In my high school computer labs we did not have keyboard trays, just keyboards right on the desks. Desks that were very shallow to begin with. There was no space to take notes or anything. This is very frustrating when you are trying to balance an assignment sheet and textbook in a very cramped space.

    12. Re:So.. by duk242 · · Score: 2

      Noooo, Promethium boards aren't that good. The SmartTech SmartBoards are better, the software is much much nicer. Have a good look at the one you want, the new ones use DViT tech (ie. Cameras and InfraRed lights to work out where you're touching). The closer you can get without it registering a touch the better. I've got a Hitachi board and it registers your finger like 1.5cm out and the software is the worst I've ever seen. The SmartBoards are about 0.4cm out from the board that it registers your touch (ie. you pretty much have to touch the board for it to detect) and the software is quite good :)

    13. Re:So.. by theNAM666 · · Score: 1

      Lessee:

      1) Commorode PET / TRS-80s.

      2) PDP-11s or thereabouts.

      3) Sun 2 series, with SmallTalk-82 or so.

      Get the idea? Limitation can be good. Myself-- I'd say something with SmallTalk along the lines of OLPC versions.

    14. Re:So.. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Ok, who let you peek into my apartment?

      I have to up the security around here...

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    15. Re:So.. by martin-boundary · · Score: 1

      Put some emacs posters

      Bad idea, a normal sized emacs poster needs 8 walls when fully unfolded, and the kids will be constantly swapping the poster sections around whenever they want to open the door or the windows in the room. Why not try an ed(1) poster instead? It should fit snugly along a wall crack.

    16. Re:So.. by dingen · · Score: 1

      Allergic to *plants*? What? That's the saddest first world problem I've ever heard of. How the hell do keep yourself in a plant-free environment anyway?

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    17. Re:So.. by DnaK · · Score: 1

      Its not plants, per-say. But the pollen and other junk floating off of it.

    18. Re:So.. by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      Another good idea would be to take some old 90s box and use it to show the kids how it actually works as kids today often look at tech as "black boxes' so giving them some basics can be helpful.

      An engineering friend was asked to cook something up and he made a plexiglass top for an old 10gb HDD so the kids could see the drive actually work as it loaded the OS and programs, and had some posters made with graphics showing each step from the time you push the button until you are able to use the computer. It had all the steps from BIOS to OS and explained how all computers are in the end nothing but ones and zeroes and had set up a bank of LEDs that illustrated this, pretty neat i thought.

      Anyway just remember that kids aren't like we were, we got to use PEEK and POKE and got to see closer to the bare metal but they've completely grown up with GUIs so often they simply don't understand what is going on in the machine. Set up a few demos, show them how a couple of lines changed in say a DOOM wad (dating myself here) can change what is presented on the screen,bring up a WYSIWYG editor and show them how lines of code are turned into the web pages they see every day. Remember that while teaching them how to work office programs or whatever is all well and good you have a young mind there that needs stimulating and nothing stimulates like a hands on lesson!

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    19. Re:So.. by dingen · · Score: 1

      So don't put plants with flowers in. What possible harm could a simple orpine do? I mean seriously, we humans are native inhabitants of this planet, right? Why are we so out of sync with our world we can't even tolerate our most basic natural resources? Geez.

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    20. Re:So.. by AntiNazi · · Score: 1

      I do sys/net admin at a highschool that has promethian boards. We have quite a few different models due to acquiring them over time. They waste a fair amount of the help desk's time due to getting disconnected constantly and requiring someone to go help the teacher get them reconnected. Blue tooth ones seem to be the worst. It is possible we have a shit setup or exceptionally stupid teachers, I don't really deal directly with either (boards or teachers) so I'm not really sure if there is something we are doing to cause the high amount of disconnects.

    21. Re:So.. by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      So don't use a flowering plant...

      If people are allergic to a shrub or a cactus being in the same room as them, then bad luck for them they can live in the plastic bubble they must be in when getting to and from school anyway (and everytime someone opens a door or window).

    22. Re:So.. by jd · · Score: 1

      An excellent suggestion, and a great teaching tool in one. (If a kid is allergic to pollen, they may well have been told to stay away from plants -- which is stupid, as you note. By showing that there are plants that they're not allergic to, you teach them to not be paranoid and believe every fearful whisper but to investigate claims.)

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    23. Re:So.. by Ramin_HAL9001 · · Score: 1

      And lose the techno...put on some pink floyd!

      I often will listen to either Rammstein or Pink Floyd while coding with Vim, updating my files with Bash, all within the Gnome terminal emulator, while sitting in a well-lit room.

  2. Re:Duh. by KerrickStaley · · Score: 2

    Fedora:
    -Runs Gnome 3 and hence is easy-to-use and visually appealing
    -Similar to Red Hat, so people who can properly administer it are easier to find

  3. You can get mesh blinds for the windows... by Radical+Moderate · · Score: 3, Insightful

    they filter out some light but still allow a view to the outside. Pretty good compromise, I have them in one lab and they work well, we leave them down all the time.

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    1. Re:You can get mesh blinds for the windows... by NoobixCube · · Score: 1

      And no more frivolous, decadent candy, either. You shall eat only turnip! The efficient food for the worker!

      While some might feel more comfortable in a basement-like environment, if it's a high school computer lab, it will be used by students of all subjects. There's no worse way to make something appealing to a 14 year old with the attention span of a gnat than to lock them in a dungeon to do their schoolwork. Have you never studied education theory?

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  4. Re:Duh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Not to be pedantic...but labs don't run operating systems, computers do.

  5. Ask the students by Chazus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously. Ask THEM what they would like to see in a computer lab. School for me, plainly put, sucked. I did poorly because I never had any reason or desire to motivate or engage myself. Environment is important, as someone else said, but it also needs to be a place that doesn't feel forced. Put meme posters (that are safe for school) on the wall. Interesting trivia. Places students can go whenever they want to learn (slashdot!). Encourage them to learn and understand. Bring in computer parts for display. Show them what real world internet is like. Discuss and have information about the difference between over-security, network security, theatrical security, and how that ties in with laws. I think the ideal computer room should have all the evidence of what I would want to impress upon my own children about computers and the internet.

    1. Re:Ask the students by stevenfuzz · · Score: 1

      I actually think this is a major problem with schools today. It has become more about students and standardized curriculum than preparing kids for the real world. Teachers are no longer the boss, when shit hits the fan it's the parents are the boss. Who cares what kids want? They have no experience with anything, have never done anything, and are pretty much useless until shown otherwise. If you don't know what you want in a computer lab, why would they?

    2. Re:Ask the students by KhabaLox · · Score: 1

      xkcd posters, of course.

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    3. Re:Ask the students by Random+Destruction · · Score: 1

      I really like the hardware idea. A torn apart hard drive and cd-rom and an old computer with the side off helps people understand that they aren't using a magical black box.

      Theyre using a magical black box full of neat-o spinning and buzzing things.

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    4. Re:Ask the students by Nimey · · Score: 1

      Some of the students will have ideas, but only a few of them will be good, and most of the students won't even have that.

      Good suggestions otherwise, though... but I'm not sure what you expect them to learn from Slashdot, other than that editing and fact-checking are unimportant.

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    5. Re:Ask the students by dmiller1984 · · Score: 1

      xkcd posters, of course.

      Funny you brought that up since my current room is covered with XKCD comics. That will definitely be a part of my future room.

    6. Re:Ask the students by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      And that's exactly what's wrong about schools today. Parents that want to see their dreams come true and teachers whose main concern is to cover their ass in the face of unjustified lawsuits popping up left and right. For fuck's sake, school's about the students. About NOBODY else.

      And the main reason why the students are frustrated and annoyed, and why they vent their anger on peers and equipment: They are ignored. Yes, the fuckin' problem is that what should be the main focus is simply ignored. And what do kids do when they get ignored? They try to get attention.

      Anyone wondering why schools are in the shape they're in? Ask your kids what they want to see in school. Sure, a lot will come up with highly irrational and outright silly ideas, but once they see that their input is taken serious, they will act seriously. This won't come over night. I mean, just look around and see what silly, harebrained idea people have about politics. Same deal, as long as my ideas are not taken serious, why should I be serious about making suggestions?

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    7. Re:Ask the students by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      The reason for the latter is often exactly what the problem is here, too. How are you supposed to learn that you're responsible to know what you want if you never learned it, if for your entire life everything is decided for you? 'til you're 18, you hand over decisions to your parents, and after that to your politicians. And people act like it's supposed to be that way.

      When should people have learned that their opinion and decision actually means something?

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    8. Re:Ask the students by emilper · · Score: 1

      do not just ask them, have them build it from scratch ... from choosing the software and hardware to cabling to setting up the computers themselves, with "authorized" professionals supervising them, if you're required by law to have "authorized" people do it.

  6. Make it like the real world... by stevenfuzz · · Score: 5, Funny

    If they want to get used to working in a real-world computer environment: 1. Terrible and abrasive neon lights. 2. Cubicles. 3. Every 5 minutes someone in the class needs to bother another student with a stupid question. Focus is a perk not a right. 4. Randomly stand over a students shoulder and demand a demo, and a reason why the project is not done yet. 5. If the students work is not progressing, fail them and outsource a student from India.

    1. Re:Make it like the real world... by Lotana · · Score: 2

      All too true.

      How I wish that my school brought someone from the industry to tell us what it is like and crush the naive, blind idealism right from the start, instead of spending years of specialization before finding out the lay of the land on the first job. There should be a compolsary subject covering "Office Politics".

      Best advice to all the students: Pursue what you love as much as you can in your own time, but never as a career. Othervise your passion will be used as a tool to manipulate and exploit you.

    2. Re:Make it like the real world... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I'd have a question about 5. Since when is progress an indicator whether or not your project gets ripped from you and outsourced to India? Just let them work for 2-3 weeks on it, then take it out of their hands, explain that you found someone who can do it cheaper and give them no credit for it.

      Perfect prep for the real world.

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    3. Re:Make it like the real world... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Oh, and make sure everyone gets nearly equal pay and praise (or lack thereof).

      You had me 'til here. But that's simply not a reflection of the real world. Instead, I'd suggest giving the person the biggest share of credit that keeps badgering you the most, who muscles in every time something needs to be presented or who does the best powerpoint presentations. Don't worry, it will be the least valuable person of the flock, the others are too busy working to badger you or prepare silly presentations.

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    4. Re:Make it like the real world... by syousef · · Score: 1

      If they want to get used to working in a real-world computer environment:

      1. Terrible and abrasive neon lights.
      2. Cubicles.

      Are these mainly male high school students? Do you have Interwebs access? Cubicles better have a large supply of tissues!!!

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    5. Re:Make it like the real world... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      In my experience, the stages of a project are

      Enthusiasm
      Disillusion
      Covering your ass
      Blaming someone who isn't at fault
      Promoting someone who had nothing to do with it at all

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  7. A basement motif by olsmeister · · Score: 1

    Complete with Cheetos bags and pictures of mommy. Oh, and throw in a Tesla coil and some Magic: The Gathering stuff. You want it to be realistic, right?

  8. Screens towards you by bloody_liberal · · Score: 1

    Screens towards you. This way the kids turn their back to the screen when they look at you, which would prevent them being distracted when you talk; it would also allow you to see what they are doing with a glance.

    1. Re:Screens towards you by Anrego · · Score: 1

      That has the disadvantage of not allowing them to follow along through a demo or glance up at stuff written on the board while they work.

      A better solution in my opinion is have the whiteboard and area where the teacher lectures at the front, and the teachers desk where he sits while they work at the back.

    2. Re:Screens towards you by masternerdguy · · Score: 1

      Oh you mean you cant spy on people. How is that bad?

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    3. Re:Screens towards you by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      ah, so they can be good little corporate cubical droids in the future, as they won't be able to see management sneaking up behind them. maybe some loud obnoxious sales and marketing wanks on speakerphones in the room too

    4. Re:Screens towards you by Teancum · · Score: 1

      Along this line of thought, also get the "screen capture" utilities (they are available from multiple vendors) so the instructor can not only be "watching over the shoulder" while the student is writing code, but more importantly so an instructor can grab something the student is working on and show the software being developed to the whole class on a projector for everybody to see, and encourage class collaboration on fixing bugs or trying to resolve issues that come up in the development process. Don't restrict this to just between the teacher and student, but allow other students to "peek in" on what their classmates are doing as well or to even collaboratively write software from multiple stations simultaneously.

      Another thing that would help here as well is to have "social network" tools available like instant messages and e-mails, with possibly the restriction that you can only contact other students within the school using those tools (various ways to accomplish that task). Include message boards or even a localized version of Diaspora (or something that approximates Facebook)... with the goal in mind that students can "network" with each other to solve assigned problems.

      Hopefully with such tools available, you don't have a teacher who thinks "Hello World" is a major accomplishment for students in a high school classroom.

    5. Re:Screens towards you by Macrat · · Score: 1

      That has the disadvantage of not allowing them to follow along through a demo or glance up at stuff written on the board

      Written on the board? Really?

      Real computer labs these days allow the teacher to send their computer screen to all the student computer screens. No need for a board to scribble on.

    6. Re:Screens towards you by jordanjay29 · · Score: 1

      Don't restrict this to just between the teacher and student, but allow other students to "peek in" on what their classmates are doing as well or to even collaboratively write software from multiple stations simultaneously.

      This has to be approached carefully so students don't get caught cheating, or letting one person carry the whole class.

      Another thing that would help here as well is to have "social network" tools available like instant messages and e-mails, with possibly the restriction that you can only contact other students within the school using those tools (various ways to accomplish that task). Include message boards or even a localized version of Diaspora (or something that approximates Facebook)... with the goal in mind that students can "network" with each other to solve assigned problems.

      Or Moodle. Yes, I know, Moodle isn't the best thing on earth, and its forum architecture is stuck in 2001, but it's more likely to be in an instructor's arsenal and be accessible to students (like used for other classes, so students might already have an account) than a localized Diaspora or similar mechanism. Also, a software like Moodle takes out the social aspects so students don't get distracted by commenting on each other's walls, getting the most friends or finding the perfect profile picture off the internet and will actually do their schoolwork.

    7. Re:Screens towards you by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Pretty good prep for office work, in my experience.

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    8. Re:Screens towards you by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yeah, prepares them for the ever popular copy/paste programming. Real real world prep.

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    9. Re:Screens towards you by Teancum · · Score: 1

      While I will admit that some of the "social network games" can be distracting (and certainly room to complain about Facebook), I disagree that Moodle is the best approach here either. Yes, I've used Moodle as well, and the problem is to me the "top down" control over the communication. Still, this particular software package is better than some approaches, and if the IT department of the school district forces a straight jacket on you then I guess you are stuck with it.

      Some of this is the issue of "cheating" too. I am approaching this from the perspective of somebody who has been "in the real world" trying to develop applications and not hung up in academia in some sort of walled garden that tries to separate students from each other and zap their creative energies. It certainly is not cheating if multiple students collaborate with each other.

      Yes, there is a need to evaluate students in some manner and to assign a "grade" to whatever it is that they are doing in the class. Lazy instructors (and educational policy makers as well) come up with standardized tests which often as not produce horrible results and don't translate very well to actual learning, or for that matter really prepare the students for how life will be like once they leave the classroom. I'm just suggesting here that I've seen some outstanding teachers over the years, now that I have children working their way through the education system themselves, and they use these techniques I am suggesting for other subjects and this concept certainly could be used for a computer science class as well.

  9. Resume? by swanzilla · · Score: 1

    Let me guess...software architect on there somewhere?

  10. Separate power strips by VIPERsssss · · Score: 2

    Separate power strips/UPS for each workstation so no one can accidentally kick the reset button and kill the power for everyone along that wall. Especially after everyone has been coding on their final project for the last hour or so.

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    1. Re:Separate power strips by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Teaches them the good ol' "save early, save often", what's wrong with this?

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    2. Re:Separate power strips by VIPERsssss · · Score: 1

      They beat you up during lunch period.

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  11. Physically secure things by skids · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... or your memory modules will walk, even if you don't think there is any opportunity for that to happen.

    1. Re:Physically secure things by Nimey · · Score: 4, Informative

      Absolutely. Use security screws on the cases, and use cables to secure the desktops, monitors, etc. to something immobile.

      Depending on your plans for the course, you might want to disable the USB ports and optical drives, and look into software like Deepfreeze.

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    2. Re:Physically secure things by plover · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Make sure the computer desks have anchor points and cables. Lock the monitors with security cables using microclips in the K-slot lock point holes, and run the same cable through a microclip in the PC case to lock the cases shut and secured. There are also cable trap devices so you can route USB cables for mice and keyboards through them. If possible keep the padlock ends of the cable under the desks, where bored fingers won't have an easy opportunity to pick them.

      Locking cabinets and drawers large enough for spare equipment. Think PC cabinets, monitors, cables.

      Filtered power strips along the table / desk tops.

      School logo mousepads, of course. :-) You'll probably have to have them screwed and glued to the desktops, though. :-(

      For equipment, I'm guessing your school already has a supplier of PCs, so you'll almost certainly be getting the school district's bog standard crap PCs. Nobody can help you there. Ask for second monitors, though.

      A projector that can hook to your machine. Use tools like VLC to display the student desktops when they're presenting from their machines.

      Have VMware virtual machines available on the desktops. It lets the students do work as system administrators without putting the actual host systems at too much risk.

      The rest of the suggestions are really more ideas that depend on what you're planning to teach them. Programming? Networking? Intro to PCs 101? Build-your-own? Pen testing? Security? Digital forensics? Computer graphic arts? Administration? DBAs? Modeling? Social engineering?

      Want to do network experiments? Have a free-standing rack mount visible at the front of the room. Mount two network switches and two routers in it so you can do networking experiments. It doesn't have to be connected to the school's network. You might put a classroom server in this rack. Again, security is important, so you would at least have to cable lock it down, if not keeping it in a locking cage rack.

      For build your own or PC 101, think about asking some parents at the start of the year for old computer donations, and have the students build or rebuild a few in class. Have a toolbox handy with the standard PC tools. Again, the locking cabinets are important for holding unfinished projects and components.

      I think Microsoft is still legally obligated to feel guilty about their monopolistic practices. Consider asking them for software suites appropriate with what you'll be teaching them. Ask for classroom copies for each server of Windows Server 2008, SQL Server 2008, get a copy of Visual Studio TFS 2010, and for each desktop ask for Windows 7, Office 2010 Professional Plus, Visio 2010, Expression Blend, and Visual Studio 2010 Premium Edition.

      You might need a forensic machine for studying hard disks removed from other computers.

      Web cams? Audio recorders and microphones? A big honkin' server to run blender? Robotics kits? Bluetooth transceivers?

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      John
    3. Re:Physically secure things by Nimey · · Score: 1

      "Depending on your plans for the course". Are you too fucking ideological and stupid to read? Are you an Internet Libertarian?

      You'll want to lock them down like that if you're just doing a typing class, or a beginning programming course. If you're doing something more advanced then you might want to back off the security a bit.

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  12. A lot depends on the equipment and use by TWX · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What is the lab being used for?

    What form factor are the computers?

    What kind of connectivity will the computers use?

    How many students at a time, and are these the top 20%, middle 60%, or bottom 20%?

    What size of space?

    These are all very important characteristics, and I've worked with all kinds of each. The one defining characteristic I can assert is that enough physical space both in the room and at the worksurfaces is important. When the room is cramped and the desks are cramped, the kids will be cramped, and will probably abuse the equipment more. It'll be harder to maintain and harder for custodial to keep the space clean.

    I also suggest that the teacher's station be in the back on a raised platform, such that the teacher can easily see all of the screens.

    I suggest a form factor like the "Small Desktop" form factor Dell has used for their Optiplex lines, and that the machines are mounted where with a little effort they can be reached by the user, but are otherwise somewhat out-of-sight, out-of-mind. Technicians performing maintenance will be pissed if they're on the back side of the desk where they can't be reached when in front of the console. Also, don't block too much access to the back, as the technician needs easy access to the connections.

    If you won't need to reconfigure the lab, go with permanent fixture desks, run the data and electrical infrastructure in the furniture. Be sure to keep a good separation between data and electrical to minimize interference. If you will need to reconfigure, go with a raised floor like computer rooms use, that will allow cabling to be moved around as needed based on furniture configuration.

    If the lab will be used for general ed computer-based learning rather than for technology-subject learning, put in short height partitions to separate students from each other a bit.

    Avoid lighting on the blue end of the spectrum, go for yellower tones. Blue will make them fall asleep.

    Avoid chairs that are too adjustable and on casters, they'll inevitably get destroyed. Chairs similar to those used in band and orchestra would be a good choice.

    If you put up a projector, get one with the same aspect ratio as the teacher's station's screen. If possible, go for the same resolution. Put in a sound system too, at least a set of stereo speakers in the front connected to a small amp. Wire for everything on the projector even if you don't need it now- if you need to hook up a Blu-ray player or VCR or something later it's nice to have cabling.

    Good luck. You're going to need it...

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    1. Re:A lot depends on the equipment and use by Ayanami_R · · Score: 3, Informative

      TWX is spot on in his comments. A bit to add...

      Get classroom management (for computer labs) software like LanSchool. Then you can face the machines however you want. With software like this you can see all the monitors, lock computers, turn the internet off, etc. You can get a demo version from their website (www.lanschool.com)

      Also make sure the room has proper cooling. We have schools losing machines left and right because AC is "too expensive" So is replacing lab machines every 2 years due to failure from overheating. At one school their entire lab failed in about 14 months, and cost 4x what installing AC would to replace. This brings another point, if a tech (like me) tells you something LISTEN TO IT. Usually this isn't a problem as it's the principals that truly don't listen to us. We tell you something, you tell your principal and then nothing happens. If this happens to you, email the tech and get a written suggestion from them, forward it to your principal. It'll save your ass if same principal tries to blame you later on for a failure that could have been avoided by LISTENING TO THE TECH. I hate to use caps, but it's that important.

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      "Science is the power of man"
    2. Re:A lot depends on the equipment and use by swalve · · Score: 1

      I was going to say the same thing, specifically, what is it going to be used for? Is it a general purpose lab, where students book time to get things done? Or an instruction lab? Or a specific purpose lab? In high school (1990-ish), there were three labs. One was full of PS/2s for teaching "business applications". One was full of vt100s hooked to a UNIX machine for the computer science people, and one was for "writers workbench" that was a kind of cool application that we used to improve our writing. We'd type our drivel in, and it would spit out statistics about grammar, word length, and so on.

      Anyway, each lab had different purposes and different setups. No instruction was done in some of them, so the partitions were higher. That, and the writer's lab, had larger desks because you'd need to spread out notes and things. Etc.

      I would strongly suggest using thin clients and some kind of term server, where the base image is unmodifiable and gets reset at each bootup. If it is for instruction, I might want a setup where I would flip a switch and turn off their monitors so they would pay attention while lecture is going on. If you are stuck with PCs, plan for constant re-imaging. Build a good image and write a script, using PXE if possible. Go draconian with locking the machines down, or get some really good firewall and antivirus software. Might even use some creative subnetting so that none of the other machines are visible to each other. It sucks to have to do that, but consider that the lab is a resource for everyone, and letting them "play" just costs other students the opportunity to use the resource. Let them go fuck up their own computers.

      Finally, make sure they actually work. Many times I've gone into labs with instructions to "use program X to do task Y" or "go to compaq.com and do the online learning module for FGH product" and the computers don't have some necessary software installed, and nobody can be found to correct the problem.

    3. Re:A lot depends on the equipment and use by Vegemeister · · Score: 1

      Also make sure the room has proper cooling. We have schools losing machines left and right because AC is "too expensive" So is replacing lab machines every 2 years due to failure from overheating. At one school their entire lab failed in about 14 months, and cost 4x what installing AC would to replace.

      Students can fail from overheating, too.

    4. Re:A lot depends on the equipment and use by Nemyst · · Score: 1

      Be wary with software like LanSchool. Having been on the receiving end of this particular one, I can say that it is definitely not a tool I would suggest to any self-respecting teacher. If you need such tools to get the students' attention, something's wrong. All you manage to do with them is aggravate students and make them hostile towards you, on top of giving a challenge to the curious ones (how to beat the software).

    5. Re:A lot depends on the equipment and use by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      I also suggest that the teacher's station be in the back on a raised platform, such that the teacher can easily see all of the screens.

      I'd suggest a bank of mirrors slightly inclined on the upper half of the walls in the back of the room. The idea would be to see their computer screen, but still be able to lecture in front of them at the same time.

  13. As a computer/technology teacher by Cramit · · Score: 2

    I like to have my lab set up with tables put together in the middle of the room with computers around that wall. This allows space for lessons and planning away from the keyboards. Students like to move tables around when they are working in groups. Computers around the wall gives me a view of all the screens allowing me to keep students on task.

    1. Re:As a computer/technology teacher by stevenfuzz · · Score: 1

      AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! AP Advanced C++ Flashback! Seriously, this is exactly how my high school CS classes were organized.

    2. Re:As a computer/technology teacher by swalve · · Score: 1

      Ha! That reminds me that I did AP CompSci in Pascal. I don't remember a word of it, nor whether it was A or AB, nor what score I got. I think it was a 5 though.

    3. Re:As a computer/technology teacher by stevenfuzz · · Score: 1

      Nice! I rocked those crazy tests. It's funny, C++ started getting taught right when I was taking it. Before it was Pascal. I'm pretty sure the second year non-AP class was Pascal (honors pascal), then once I got to my Junior year it because C++ instead. Imagine AP PHP?

  14. Virtualization by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    If you are even going to put workstations into the lab (at the university-level we are starting to think about getting rid of them in favour of student laptops) go virtual. It lets you easily switch the OS to suite the use of the room and there are cheap open source solutions available.

  15. Don't ask the students by TWX · · Score: 1

    Artwork will definitely be subject to school or district guidelines. Access to internet resources is probably controlled by the IS department and is out of the hands of the teacher.

    Please don't take this the wrong way, but there's a real balance to strike between exciting diversions and core curriculum, and while there are some companies that encourage expression at work, there are probably ten times as many that don't want even cubicle decoration. Don't stifle the kids, but at the same time, don't teach them to expect so much individuality in expression that they experience a severe culture shock when they get into the workplace later. And since each student is different, there is an expectation that some kids simply won't like the environment, even if the majority of the kids are fine with it. Since we can't afford individualized instruction to that level this is simply going to be the case.

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    1. Re:Don't ask the students by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      And what's wrong with telling them the limitations and regulations and tell them that they can't change those, but they are allowed to work within that frame? Like, say, it will actually be in the real world?

      That even works for 6 year olds that haven't been raised in the "entitlement" world of today but in a sensible, rule embedded framework. You'd be surprised how rational even small kids can be if they understand that there are rules and boundaries and that they should work within them.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  16. What is makeup of users' group? by TechForensics · · Score: 1

    How many students at one time, what career track (mostly)? Slackers or hackers? Important to know.

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  17. Best computer lab is not having a computer lab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You probably arent going to believe me now but in a few years you will figure out what I mean by this post.

    A computer lab is better when its not a computer lab. The magic happens when the students collaborate rather than sit in rows behind computers. You should provide them with an active learning environment that has pods rather than rows. Pods of about 6-8 with a large flat screen or two with a switcher that allows each student to put up their screen to share with the pod and interact.

    You spread the pods around the room and also have the ability to grab a screen and put it on the main overheads around the room. For instance you want to show what POD1 is doing, then you pull it on the main screens, show, talk, collaborate then go back and work, etc.

  18. How I Made My High School Lab by wetdogjp · · Score: 5, Informative

    I am also a high school computer teacher, and our building got renovated about three years ago. I was able to ask for lots of goodies too, but be prepared for the contractors to ignore whatever suggestions you make.

    That being said, there were a few important elements I insisted on. One is that I could see all the students' screens from a central location. Mostly that meant having all the PCs facing outward against three walls, with me in the middle. This was a huge improvement over the back-to-back rows we had before. The downside is that kids have to turn around if they need to see the board or the teacher.

    My class is in the Career and Technical Education school, so I'm training kids to be sysadmins, programmers, and technicians. Due to the nature of the class, we have a central rack with networking equipment that's easy for the kids to crowd around. If this is something you need, make sure there's plenty of space on all sides, and use a cable tray to bring in the wiring. Also, I asked for power to be dropped from the ceiling to the center of the room so we could setup work benches to troubleshoot hardware. (That's one of the things they neglected to give me.)

    Natural light is a wonderful thing, but I wouldn't worry too much about glare as long as you don't have shiny glass screens. If students will be sitting in front of these things for an hour or more at a stretch, good (and large) LCD displays will reduce eye strain. Similarly, don't expect kids to sit in crappy chairs for long periods of time. But don't get swivel rolling chairs; they'll just race and spin in them.

    Probably the most used piece of technology in my room is the projector. I'd definitely get a decent one and install it where everyone can see it. I also like to be mobile in my lab, so I've got an iPad to walk around with and take notes on student work.

    As long as you've got space to spare, give students as much elbow room as possible. High school kids need a little personal space so they don't get on each others' nerves. Also, more space per PC makes it easier for students to work in small groups, as they can gather three or four people around one PC.

    I've got some software I'm partial to, as well. It's nice having something like Faronics Insight in the lab, which allows me to monitor what everyone is looking at, limit Internet access, or share my screen with everyone. I'm not tied to that particular brand (thought it's what I'm using right now, and works on PCs and Macs), but rather any software system that has those functions.

    My lab is due to be upgraded in a year or two. I might go with laptops if it's in the budget, but we've got to work out accountability (for theft), upgradability, and a few other issues. I certainly wish I had one or two for myself, though.

    I hope this helps some.

    1. Re:How I Made My High School Lab by swalve · · Score: 1

      What would the upside of laptops in a lab be? Seems like it's just asking for trouble.

    2. Re:How I Made My High School Lab by Albanach · · Score: 1

      I think the suggestion above, to use monitoring software, would be an improvement. Student desks can then be situated in a U shape around a raised instructor platform so that kids can see the teacher and the teacher can see the kids, while at the same time being able to monitor any/all of the student's desktops.

      As long as the monitors aren't too huge, and the kids aren't too small, that should be achievable.

    3. Re:How I Made My High School Lab by Albanach · · Score: 1

      You could see over/round them more easily, allowing teacher/student interaction. That would be one advantage.

      Keeping a couple of hot spares would be a second advantage - no need for a class to be interrupted by a failed computer, the teacher can swap it out and the school tech can diagnose and repair or make the warranty call later.

    4. Re:How I Made My High School Lab by SecurityGuy · · Score: 1

      I am also a high school computer teacher, and our building got renovated about three years ago. I was able to ask for lots of goodies too, but be prepared for the contractors to ignore whatever suggestions you make.

      Well, of course. Contractors work on contracts. They are not the right people to ask for things. You need to get it into the RFP or spec or whatever your corner of the world calls the document that tells the contractors what to do in order to get money.

  19. Dual monitors by claar · · Score: 1

    I realize this is for high school, but get them started on dual monitors early if possible. The expense isn't bad, especially since monitors usually out-last the computers two-fold or more.

    We have dual monitors in our computer labs in our engineering labs, and our students always flock to our labs over the single-monitor ones the general university provides.

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    1. Re:Dual monitors by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      hah! you'd never get the budget for that approved in 99% of schools. and most workplaces don't have them either for the same reason. neither do most homes. dual monitors is something most of them won't have later.

    2. Re:Dual monitors by GrayHound · · Score: 1

      If it's possible to get that number of new machines and possible room renovations, dual monitors will be way down on the top budget violator list. And I can't describe how much it improves working conditions. Plus haven't seen any "serious" workplace where anyone who's work was related to coding wouldn't be offered dual monitors. Basically, it's a great ideas and you should push for it.

    3. Re:Dual monitors by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      You're right. I have three 24" 1080p monitors.

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  20. Re:One word: by nakedman · · Score: 1

    Incorrect. One word: wicat (Amusement Park, anybody?)

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  21. Make it silent by Richard_J_N · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is hugely more pleasant to work in a computer lab where the noise of fans isn't deafening. Actually, you can pretty much get total silence now, and I strongly recommend it. Specify computers with fanless coolers (usually this is $25 even for a high-powered i7 cooler), avoid rotating disks (use SSDs or etherboot), avoid case-fans, and use silent PSUs (these are usually equipped with fan for use when flat-out, but tend to run inaudibly; they cost a little more, but last much longer).

    1. Re:Make it silent by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      hahaha, my 1980s computer lab was a partition in the raised floor data center, with glass wall separating us from the 4381 mainframe. It was noisy, windy, cold, painfully bright and a long walk outside to the bins where the 11x14" greenbar output from the line printers (roaring like machine guns) was placed.

    2. Re:Make it silent by swalve · · Score: 1

      Good point! Nothing is more distracting than noise like that. We have a demo lab at work, and it seems like a good setup. Conference table in the middle, various products around the walls, and the racks of blinking lights and loud fans are behind glass double doors so it's quiet when it needs to be. I miss the old fashioned concept of putting the computers behind glass.

  22. What is the budget and intended purpose? by director_mr · · Score: 1

    It would be helpful to know what the budget for the lab is, how many workstations are they hoping to accommodate, and what the purpose for the lab would be. Without that information, its hard to give any useful suggestions. I recommend LED lighting, as it is dimmable and easy on the eyes, but also saves electricity.

  23. Re:Duh. by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 2

    Ubuntu is the distro for people who don't get Linux.

    So it's perfect for all but one or two of the computer geeks in the class.

  24. Vague question, please be more specific... by bogaboga · · Score: 1
    I am sorry to say but the question is vague. When you talk of ideal, what do you mean?

    Could these options help focus your mind to what you need?

    • A lab that is facilitates learning...
    • A lab that will reduce the potential impact of interruptions from outside sources...
    • A lab that helps students explore the inner workings of either software or related hardware...
    • A lab that helps focus students to today's and tomorrow's likely IT trends...
    • A lab that will make the Systems Administrator's life easy...
    • A lab that will be easily upgrade-able to new software and hardware as they become available...
    • A lab that will not be bound to a single software or hardware support paradigm...

    Please be more specific and make up your mind. This is (I am sure you know), Slashdot.

    1. Re:Vague question, please be more specific... by dmiller1984 · · Score: 1

      I am sorry to say but the question is vague. When you talk of ideal, what do you mean?

      Could these options help focus your mind to what you need?

      • A lab that is facilitates learning...
      • A lab that will reduce the potential impact of interruptions from outside sources...
      • A lab that helps students explore the inner workings of either software or related hardware...
      • A lab that helps focus students to today's and tomorrow's likely IT trends...
      • A lab that will make the Systems Administrator's life easy...
      • A lab that will be easily upgrade-able to new software and hardware as they become available...
      • A lab that will not be bound to a single software or hardware support paradigm...

      Please be more specific and make up your mind. This is (I am sure you know), Slashdot.

      A lab that facilitates learning is definitely the #1 requirement. I mainly teach web design and programming so exploring hardware isn't quite as important. I do have a "play" computer and several computer parts in my current room, though.

  25. Variety of OS's by vga_init · · Score: 1

    When I was in high school and was a budding sysadmin, I was really fascinated with operating systems. I didn't just want to use Linux, but I wanted to try every OS that I could get my hands on. I tried all kinds of Linux distros, and I also spent a lot of time running FreeBSD. I also tried BeOS, but it was dead by the time I got to it.

    What would be really neat is if students had access to a variety of OS's that they could play with and learn to work with, such as Linux, OpenSolaris, BSD, and of course even Windows and Mac OS. You might even try getting some of the oddball systems to run like SkyOS, Syllable, ReactOS, Haiku, FreeDOS--the more the better.

    Of course, computer labs are for more than just OS experimentation, but if you set aside a couple of older boxes with multiboot or maybe just install some nice VM software somewhere I think you'll attract some inquisitive students and inspire them to learn.

    1. Re:Variety of OS's by supremebob · · Score: 1

      Unless you put a bunch of games on the Linux PC's that aren't on the Windows PC's, 90% of the students will never bother to use it. People like to stick with what they already know from home use when they get a chance... they're lazy like that.

      The 10% that do will probably be the classroom geeks that already know what they're doing.

    2. Re:Variety of OS's by sys_mast · · Score: 1

      When I was learning we had a desktop with a removal drive in the front. This allowed ustp to build an OS and have it the same when we returned. A box in the back, locked for only the teacher, allowed other classes to use the PCs each teach had a box of drives per class.

      Also, if it applies, a server for every two students. Depending on the lab allowed two students to share the server work and still see it all. The teach should have a server also, so if the lab dosnt have any value on the server side the kids can point at the teach's server.

      Also firewall off the lab subnet from the rest of campus. Some student will eventually setup a dhcp server, and for somebody it will be faster than the schools dhcp server.

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      Those who can, do.
    3. Re:Variety of OS's by swalve · · Score: 1

      I like that idea, if only for a history of computing section. Show them how hard it used to be, and they will both understand more about what the computer is doing, AND appreciate how cool everything is now. Fire up an IBM PC/AT and a Mac 512k for them.

      And don't forget to get an old VAX/VMS system.

  26. The said it best in The Matrix... by AngryDeuce · · Score: 1

    "Guns. Lots of guns."

  27. Cover-less cases by Yvanhoe · · Score: 2

    Or at least with openable cases. Have a drawer with spare parts, allow student to freely play with the hardware. Or at least have some stations that are "fair game".

    Have a few stations with arduinos and basic electronics linked.

    Give students a homepage with a kind of dynamic pages activated (php, python, perl, cgi, whatever)

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    1. Re:Cover-less cases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This is high school. Then innards will be picked clean in less than a week.

    2. Re:Cover-less cases by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      I was expecting a kind of supervision, no ?

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  28. Provide unusual resources by roc97007 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Fill the lab with Winders or fruit and students will tend to skid to a halt at a "power user" level of proficiency. Fill it with uninstalled white box PCs and Linux CDs, and they will learn many valuable things in the process of creating a usable network. Sure, they may never again need to do a lot of that stuff, but at least they will understand why it's necessary.

    "You know that teacher we hated in the high school computer course? I just realized I learned something that year that prevented a corporate meltdown today."

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    Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
    1. Re:Provide unusual resources by roc97007 · · Score: 2

      > Computers are just a commodity tool nowadays. Why should students learn or care how they work inside?

      Because somebody has to.

      > Do we require students to go through a paper factory before assigning them reading? Do they have to learn to harvest their own wood and craft their own pencils?

      You're talking to the wrong person. My daughter goes to art school, and she's required to make a lot of her own materials and some of her tools, even though you can buy the stuff off the shelf. The idea is to understand where the materials come from and what they consist of, not just how to manipulate them.

      So, I wouldn't necessarily expect someone to have to make their own writing implements in a writing course, which is just putting words together and isn't bound tightly to the implement, but I could see it for a calligraphy course or an art course. (Actually have seen that -- sharpening your own quills, for instance, and even mixing your own ink.)

      Understanding what happens behind the curtain is advantageous in a number of ways, not all of which are obvious.

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      Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
    2. Re:Provide unusual resources by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      > just a select few who plan on going into

      ...and how do you know which those are? (Going into anything, not just computers.)

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      Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
    3. Re:Provide unusual resources by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      If computers are not important, why is the poster giving those students computer classes for?

      Also, some visits to factories, mils, crop fields, etc would be great for students. Understand the details of how things are done make for a much wider world view.

  29. Standing-heighth desks!!! by jduhls · · Score: 1

    Standing-heighth desks!!! Changed my "crap, gotta sit on my ass all day" life.

  30. Model a Hackerspace by swifticus · · Score: 1

    Get a 3D printer, vinyl cutter, poster printer, and other fabrication tools so that the computers can be applied to a wider domain. Grab some arduinos and electronics to interface computers with sensors and motors. Consider getting some easily hackable gadgets like kinects, wii-motes, webcams. A couple DSLRs w/ fluorescent light kits & green screen?

    I'd include ubuntu, OS X, and windows in your network if you can; if you're creating a budget of some sort, don't forget creative software costs (Visual Studio, Adobe Suite, Autodesk).

    Make sure you will be able to grant administrator access without compromising the lab (you can use something like windows steady state, but I'd also keep backup images at a clean state). A local storage server with redundancy is a good idea to keep system images and other work safe.

    Go for the skylights and vegetation; there are a lot of shade loving vines and plants that thrive with only a little light.

  31. Stating the obvious here... by gman003 · · Score: 1

    Make sure the computers themselves are capable of running what you need them to run. Sounds obvious, but I'm currently enrolled in a college course that has us running IIS, Visual Studio and MS Office inside Windows Server 08, all inside VMWare. On a reasonably modern computer with plenty of memory, it would be tolerable. On the Pentium IV, 2GB RAM machines we're using, though, we spend as much time working as we do waiting for the computer to respond.

    (If you're about to say "just use LAMP ffs", that's what I told the prof. He said MS is requiring the class be taught this way for them to maintain their MSAA license).

    1. Re:Stating the obvious here... by rubycodez · · Score: 2

      You might be able renegotiate that requirement. Invite your Microsoft MSAA liaison to a gourmet steak restaurant. Then stab him with a steak knife. Fucker.

    2. Re:Stating the obvious here... by gman003 · · Score: 2

      Sorry, it's my last year. With senioritis and all, I can barely be assed to actually pay attention, let alone commit a murder over a class. I mean, hiding a body is hard work, and that my normal dump site is still full from the Adobe Illustrator class...

      Besides, I just bring my laptop in and do my work for other classes while waiting for IIS. Or play Unreal Tournament.

  32. Ideal College Lab by Teancum · · Score: 1, Interesting

    While this is perhaps a bit over the top for a High School lab, I think the ideal college computer lab would be one that puts an absolute prohibition on software going into the lab. The idea here is that competent computer science students ought to be capable of writing all of the software necessary for such a lab... including the operating system and even the TCP/IP stack and even the compilers. Since it is all being done there in the school.... document it and make sure that everybody knows what you are doing.

    No, it wouldn't be something built in a single semester or term, but it would do a whole lot of good for people coming out of a college being exposed to actual hardware and working out the problems of how software is built, or why certain things are being done.

    Of course this concept of a computer lab is something that professors and university administrators bent on producing an assembly line of future workers for IT companies would hate, because obviously they wouldn't be able to learn the "cool" tools being used elsewhere. But it would give them exposure to actual computer science and be able to understand how operating systems actually work rather than taking it on blind faith and assuming it is a black box.

    In that lab, I'd also put paper copies of most of the RFCs from the IETF (or perhaps ASCII text files), as well as copies of the ACM and IEEE journals as well as other legitimate sources of information that competent programmers ought to be reading anyway. Games would be permitted, but it would have to be games that were developed inside the lab and not brought in from outside. Give access to this lab 24/7 to students, and see what some very creative people could actually come up with. Since the OS was just something thrown together by another student, encouraging students to rewrite parts of the OS would even be encouraged (and source code would be presumably available in such situations). Depending on school policies, encourage or even expect students to release everything developed in the lab under some sort of "open source" license (preferably GPL or MIT).

  33. Prepare them for the real world! by NEDHead · · Score: 1

    Dark and dank - think mom's basement. A fridge with energy drinks, Twinkies, and supplied with dual floppy Apple IIs.

  34. Re:Duh. by rubycodez · · Score: 2, Informative

    nonsense, it's 97% Debian, and with newer kernels and software versions to boot.

  35. Re:Duh. by stanlyb · · Score: 1

    NOthing is wrong. if it is at most 11.04. Any other newer release is screwed.

  36. Re:Nix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Get something on the computers besides windows or osx.

    Yeah, because educating them to use the systems that they're most likely to encounter would be just lame.

    On that note, make sure to focus most of your attention on a nice alternative programming language, like ALGOL or INTERCAL.

    Linux or a real UNIX is great, but start with the things that they're likely to encounter in the real world before you start getting esoteric.

  37. Some kind of library by steveha · · Score: 1

    To go with the computers, it would be great if you had some sort of library. Even just one bookshelf with useful reference books: introduction to programming in Python, HTML 5 reference, vim reference, etc.

    I'd like to suggest a Safari site license, if you can afford it. They might offer an affordable Safari license for schools?

    http://safaribooksonline.com/

    P.S. I hope the computers will have Linux available at least as an option.

    steveha

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  38. My impression by fermion · · Score: 1

    In terms of lighting, I would say windows perpendicular to the rows. I there is a lecture area, the computers can be facing into a center, with desks or tables in the center. If the students are going to have to practice techniques that you demonstrate, there should be at least three projectors facing the three directions. Some people have TVs set up, but no one can read those. If you have software to take over the computer and display what is doing, that doesn't work because students just disable or ignore it. Have an elmo so that you can show documents, also connected to all the screens. If you want, get some monitors to set at seated eye level around the room so that students with bad eyesight can look at the monitors. Basically everything you do is mirrored around the room on various devices.

    I would recommend something that restores the computer to a known state on restart. I would have a server for each student to store work, and for the teacher to store materials the students much access. This can be done remotely, but even today the WAN is not 100% perfect, so having a LAN in the room i really helpful.If each student can have an account with space limitations, that is also good.

    But when I think of a computer lab I also think of maintaining the resources for all computer and providing the relative level of supervision that each student requires. That means that the teachers location is generally behind rows of computers rather than in front. Laptops are good from older or well trained younger students, but not for on level freshman. The reason is that laptops can be easily damaged, for example keyboard ripped up or screen broken, and the whole units has to be replaced. Laptops also have to be secured if they are not collected after every class, preferable with an alarmed cable.

    This is an issue as students do not always have a clear way to express their frustration, and sometimes the computer seems the most obvious target, not only because it is a source of frustration but if the computer is not working then they cannot be expected to do work. Also, off task students can inadvertently or purposefully disable a computer. This if sometime done in an attempt to prove the student is smarter than the teacher, but it really doesn't. Defense is always more costly than attack, and a teacher who spends time fixing computers disabled by the smartest students is not teaching, so these smartest kids are denying educational opportunities to others. Therefore a lab has to be setup to minimize time spent on technical issues, and maximize the time the students spend learning fundamental concepts of computing.

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  39. Too obvious by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ask Slashdot: Ideal High School Computer Lab?

    That's easy. Give every student a laptop and a copy of Ubuntu and let the world be their lab. Hire a few geeks to answer questions and help the students if they get stuck.

    And please, no remote control cameras on the computers. Assistant Principals tend to be pervs.

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  40. Raised floor and HVAC by Spazmania · · Score: 5, Informative

    1. Raised floor. 4", a short one. And get extra tiles. Tech changes and you'll need to reconfigure the room every couple years to keep up. With raised floor you can put network and power on flexible whips and move them around where you need them. This'll allow you to move desks, move computers, move everything. You're going to put holes in these tiles. Later you'll discover you need some of the holes filled in. That isn't possible. So you'll need the extra tiles to cut new.

    2. Dedicated supplemental HVAC. A room full of computers will get hotter than the ordinary school HVAC can handle during the spring and fall. It'll get even hotter during the winter when the school heating system pumps out the heat. The normal solution - a thermostat-controlled duct damper - isn't going to do you much good. You need a small, inexpensive HVAC that can put out a couple tons of cooling supplementing the normal school HVAC.

    3. Second dedicated HVAC for the server closet unless you're remoting the class servers in the school's IT room. In which case, make sure the school's IT room has a dedicated HVAC.

    4. 200 amp subpanel in the room. You'll find you need to reconfigure the electrical when you reconfigure the room. Reconfiguring all the way back to a basement circuit breaker panel will be costly and problematic.

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  41. My Ideal Computer Classroom by bryanandaimee · · Score: 1

    Well as has been said, it depends on what you are teaching, but "High School Computer Teacher" may mean A+ computer repair, Programming, Microsoft office, etc. I taught computer repair, and the thing I wanted most was work space. It would be nice if the monitors could swing away under or behind the desks and have some hooks for keyboard and mouse on the side or something so you could clear the desk space for doing actual labs like tear down some donated computers and reassemble them, explore the parts etc. To facilitate this the computer should not be on top of the desk. In so many labs I've seen the computer/monitor/keyboard take up every inch of desk space so that you can't even find a good place for reference material, books, or other tools. If I go really crazy the classroom looks like this.

    1. Small form factor computers under the desk or attached to the underside.
    2. Pico projector and pull down/up screen built in rather than a monitor
    3. Place to stow keyboard and mouse

    The projector should automatically go to sleep when the screen is rolled up. Going from computers on to computers gone should take ~10 seconds. You do your lectures, labs and other exercises with the computers completely out of the way, and bring them right back up when they are required. Oh and the screens should be slightly translucent so you can see what the kids are doing from both the front and the back of the classroom.

  42. Seriously....here's what you want to do. by PortHaven · · Score: 1

    First off, drop the posters. I agree...

    You want little neon lights strings illuminating the room so it looks like TRON.

    You want posts of Yori & Quora. So girls know they can be programs too!

    Seriously, I'm not sure the room is the biggest deal. But I would press for the following.

    Two high res projectors or better yet 55"-65" LCD screens. On opposite sides from each other.

    I would use L desks. Four workstations to an L. Two students on each wing of the L.

    Why?

    Because this facilitates paired programming, and small group programming (2,4). And if arranged in an offset (8) students.

    All computers should be dual monitor. This will allow you to present and it be viewed on one screen while they work on the other.

    Suggest putting in an order for a couple of Kinects as well. As these could provide an avenue for development that the kids might enjoy.

    Arrange the room so that you can have two groups, each with a large screen and a Kinect. This can allow them to compete.

    ****

    As for GLARE, it's really simple. Put up huge honking windows. But have them be completely covered with white cotton. Essentially turning all of the windows into large "light soft boxes".

    This way the room is bright but glare is reduced. Try to get "matte finish" monitors.

    Ask to have all computers equipped with two hard drives. One which contains the core OS and software. A second which can contain a virtual machine software and for which students can muck around and learn.

    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/Standard-Softboxes/ci/1337/N/4276734332

  43. I did this once in 1988... by JoeMerchant · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I designed a small space for 6 workstations that was used for 2 years, it was pretty popular among the students, they hung out there and worked all hours of the day and night, usually 4 or 5 of the workstations were occupied during "normal working" hours. Then, I was asked to design the upgraded lab with 18 terminals in a larger space. The main thing I asked for from a lighting/facility aspect was workspace spotlights (in those days, incandescent lights in a can which throw a spot on the desk but not on the screens - today I'd go LED), and I asked for 72" desks because our students worked in pairs. I arranged the 18 desks in a sort of random/scattered layout (both for the 6 and 18 terminal labs), which put most workstations in a semi-isolated space, usually with at most one other workstation in a "hey, can you tell me..." line of sight asking distance.

    Well, it was 20+ years ago, so I don't remember if I actually got the can-spots or not, what I do remember was that the man in charge said "thanks a lot for the design, but we're going to lay them out in rows so that when a visitor looks in the window from the hallway they will see all the screens, it's impressive." Yeah, it was impressive alright. The desks shrank to 54" to make 3 rows of 6 work in the available space, people were on each other's elbows all the time and, generally speaking, no more than 3 or 4 workstations were ever occupied at a time because people felt cramped if more than half the terminals were full, so they generally stayed away except for absolutely required lab time.

  44. Re:Duh. by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 2

    If you can get away with licensing it, Windows/*nix dual boot machines. Windows because at high school level it's irresponsible not to make the least techie pupil au fait with what they will probably face in the workplace.

    Then you have your *nix system for the "real work". Even one years experience will be a good head start for any student wanting to go into science and engineering. If you go with something with a nice GUI then you can introduce the lower level students to the idea that "it's not just Windows..."

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  45. Re:Duh. by icebike · · Score: 4, Funny

    Not to be pedantic...but labs don't run operating systems, computers do.

    That's true, and pedantry is welcome. This is slashdot after all.

    I knew things were off to a rocky start when the story started with this quote:

    "I am a high school computer teacher and I've been put in the unique situation of designing my ideal computer lab

    To be perfectly pedantic: "computer teachers" probably don't need a lab at all.
    Just an ssh connection to each computer, and you can program (teach) the computers what ever you want.

    Why build a lab, that invariably attracts students, who always mess things up.
    Get a Gorilla rack and put it in the basement somewhere, but what ever you do, keep those pesky kids away.

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  46. Well, it depends on the type of classes. by bussdriver · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've used many layouts. For high school I am not sure. Depends on usage.

    The silly typing courses many high schools have-- if that is all it is for, then old terminals are plenty good + make it more office like with typical office chairs etc since posture is part of that topic. Adjustable screens, keyboards etc should be part of it-- as the parent post suggests. possibly even have a couple styles to choose from (learning to type is a waste of time, but learning to save your hands and back is so important later...) no desk needed for such a class... Classic typewriters would outlast any computer and work just as well to build that skill. keyboards are cheap; typing programs run just fine on Apple ][s. I might have a WORKING one in the basement, probably still runs typing tutor...

    The worst "lab" I've had is a normal room with a parameter of computers desks. This makes it easy to see what people are doing and stand in the center area; its horrible for college lectures because they can't use the computer and see what you are showing; on the plus side, they can't use the computer... Our newer "labs" decided upon this kind of layout to make a clean break between lecture and computer lab time physically; I hate this while others like it. For high school this may work out; despite it requiring more floor space than a normal room - its not all that disruptive to make them move during class; they are kids and likely need some moving around...and some discipline in doing so maturely. Without locked down machines you know they'll goof off and if you lock it down, a kid like myself will be distracted by that challenge... You can easily see what is going on with a parameter layout (plus equip the room far cheaper.)

    The coolest lab I've seen was one with individual desks that had monitors IN THE DESK; it was odd to look downward but also really cool. takes a little getting used to-- I've not got that lab, the math dept has it. probably good for their needs.

    Daylight is nice; however, a brightly lit room is more important than windows; full spectrum bulbs are enough. When I was in school it was dim all the time; now they seem to have double the lights! A board student or easily distracted student LOVES WINDOWS. I shut the blinds. Skylights waste energy in heating or cooling in most places.

    Every computer lab I've used which was full became stuffy after a while; I figured it was the extra heat in the room that caused it to feel that way; except in rooms designed as labs where they had extra venting planned... Those would often seem too cold and dry (I should complain someday.) I would STRONGLY recommend some of the NASA plants... actually, a ton of them would be needed-- hang them around the parameter of the room up high and SOLID. The feeling of the room is greatly improved by this; plus the humidity will be more natural and the oxygen level will be higher. (see snake plant, I think its the best one on the list. I don't have a room of my own or I would do this.) Peppermint. Its a smell, not a taste and its a mental stimulant like ginko (it works, ginko doesn't do jack for me.) Two proven impacts: 1) mental subconscious connection to the room and past situation upon entering the room. 2) it wakes you up mentally although it has to be rather strong for that. There is no official allergy, but I sprinkle the oil around the room secretly before class. The plant doesn't smell as much but you could grow that... (I suggest putting a few drops on the keyboards, haven't busted one yet!)

    Metalic PAINT... I hate cell phones... the kids these days (girls) can text amazingly fast... if you could only get them to properly type gossip to each other under their desks...

    ANY kind of development work can use LARGE monitors! actually, 2 cheaper ones makes a lot of sense... since most people are going to laptops and will hook up a 2nd display... If you do any graphic work, get nice monitors; if its just typing any crap will do. DO NOT get all-in-one computers. that is just stupid. Also if you do developm

    1. Re:Well, it depends on the type of classes. by Macrat · · Score: 1

      The silly typing courses many high schools have--

      Typing is taught in 1st grade. You are really out of date.

    2. Re:Well, it depends on the type of classes. by cryoman23 · · Score: 1

      2nd mouse would be nice if anything supported that....

      the latest Xorg supports the option of multiple mice having thier own cursor or sharing the same one(s) if im not mistaken

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    3. Re:Well, it depends on the type of classes. by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      We agree on a lot of issues.

      I suggested using frosted/etched glass to eliminate glare. This would simultaneously solve the "ooh! There's a dog outside!" Type distractions. Kids can't see much more than a colored smudge through the frosted glass, and that is only for things really close to the glass, like plants.

      Stuffiness is a serious issue. A high ceiling helps to deal with that by giving more dead air space for hot air to rise into. Coupled with good ventilation in the room, this deals with most instances of stuffiness.

    4. Re:Well, it depends on the type of classes. by MrAngryForNoReason · · Score: 1

      learning to type is a waste of time

      Seriously? Do you also think that teaching children to write is a waste of time? Being able to type quickly and accurately is a huge plus in any office based job.

    5. Re:Well, it depends on the type of classes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      must have his parameters wrong

    6. Re:Well, it depends on the type of classes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You keep using the word parameter. 'Parameter of computers desks'. 'Parameter layout'. 'parameter of the room'. Is this a usage of the word parameter that I'm unfamiliar with, or did you type that on something which has auto-correct and 'parameter' is supposed to 'perimeter'?

    7. Re:Well, it depends on the type of classes. by bussdriver · · Score: 1

      Hey, I was in a hurry. you got the point. Besides I never type perimeter but I do type parameter plenty-- ever notice how you think one thing and do another? happens more as I get older; conditioned patterns pop up without noticing. proof reading? forget it.

    8. Re:Well, it depends on the type of classes. by bussdriver · · Score: 1

      School has more important things to teach than typing. Kids grow up with typing exposure; not much time needs to be put into it if any time at all. Somebody who needs it for a job can learn proper typing on their own instead of wasting a whole semester on it as my high school offered while allowing students to graduate with almost NO science education. My relative's children must take typing and computers around 9th grade; its not optional. That is even more stupid, they learn MS Office as well. They were doing papers and operating a computer beforehand just fine.

      WRITING as I've frequently been told by a developmental child psychologist, is important to early brain development and will impact other subjects later on. Even though we do not need to write anything down anymore (except in math class) children should at least get that mental exercise. Typing is NOT as effective so handwriting should be taught-- me, I'd kill off cursive to spend more time on math (or maybe just cut down the time on cursive down a lot.) Sadly, we need to teach how to read an analog clock - I thought that was a waste of time but then apparently so did many schools and I've run into ADULTS who can't read a clock!!! unbelievable if I hadn't seen it multiple times.

      The real problem is teaching people to learn on their own-- any dimwit should be able to figure out how to read a clock but here we have a bunch of adults who "can't read a clock" with some sort of mental block because even passively one has to pick it up somehow. (as I did BEFORE it was taught to me in school.) I run into way too many adults crippled by similar mental blocks and the older they are the worse it is-- because older people have developed and entrenched more defensive behavior patterns (this is partially why people generally appear to get more conservative with age.)

      If a child has ANY computer class in school, that time should be used for applying education psychology more than any current (likely out of date already) technology. Its rare to have that kind of time to focus on meta-cognition and psychology and no stupid testing system to dictate everything. I would bone up on my developmental psychology and learning theories and use that time to do critical thinking projects. programming would be likely involved. Typing would get maybe a week at most just so everybody knows where their hands should go and how to sit. I'd probably re-read my copy of MindStorms and The Children's Machine. Maybe I could get legos involved, just because kids are so mechanically/spatially retarded (except the shop kids, who are "exceptional" relative to the new norm and I could go into depth on that one...) I KNOW people who buy new TV remotes when the batteries go dead! (Apple users too; I don't wonder how apple got the idea.)

      The more I learn about learning/education and development the less realistic the popular views become. There is no born-in natural IQ; people can mold their brains far more than is realized (yet everybody hears about brain damaged people re-learning amazingly impossible things but doesn't realize their fully functional brain should be more capable of such big changes.)

  47. highschooler here by freezway · · Score: 2

    Our computer lab was awesome until the district fucked it up. The computers all autoreimaged themselves from a seperate partition on reboot, so you could fuck it up hard and nothing bad would happen. Everyone was admin. It worked great! Need a program installed? No problem! Seriously, do this.

  48. start by asking students by cohomology · · Score: 1

    A good way to start is to ask current and former students, and teachers at other schools. Also think about the type of environment you would like to learn in.

    When I was in high school ( class of 1972; IBM 1620; punched cards ) I loved my computer course so much that I came in before first class to read manuals and do stuff on my own. I was not aware of my physical environment.

    Also, please make sure some attractive, physically mature, but reckless young women are in each class.

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  49. Some way they can show off by goldcd · · Score: 2

    One of the lovely things about IT is that (theoretically) one person can make something that can instantly be used by millions.
    Possibly that's a little bit optimistic, but the best motivation for anything I've made is somebody looking at something I've built and and just saying "I like that"
    Or maybe even better - "I would like it even more if it did x", then building "x" and then getting the feedback (mainly when you realize not including x was a retarded over-sight).
    I'm not quite sure how you support this in the design of the room, but maybe find a way of allowing those not in the class to see what's happening. Windows into the room, something that people can look at if they just wander in - maybe even just a 40" screen outside pointing to stuff available to all on a site of what's been made in the room that day.
    I guess my point would be that the room shouldn't just be for people making things (50 ergonomic workstations are lovely - but they'll only ever look like 50 ergonomic workstations) - it should help show the rest of the world what's being produced in that room. 'Selling' what's being made isn't really for the people they're selling to, but to provide encouragement to the creators.

  50. white boards by mcsqueak · · Score: 1

    I haven't read all the comments that have been posted, but...

    I think having very long white boards (or even entire walls painted out with that "whiteboard" paint) would be a great way for the kids/instructors to be able to communally hash out ideas in meatspace. Most rooms don't seem to have enough spaces like this to jot down ideas, draw, write, and think out loud...

  51. Projectors and Computer Desks by Shifty0x88 · · Score: 1

    Dual projectors that are hooked up to the teacher's(your) computer, or a overhead projector of sorts, and a lot of those desks that can hold an entire computer system ( monitors on arms that hide inside the desk, drawer under for keyboard and mouse, and a little platform for the actual tower). This makes it easy to see if people are cheating (if they can't use the computers on a test) because it is obvious that the monitor is up and out.

  52. Whiteboards by high_rolla · · Score: 1

    And not just one at the front for the teacher to use. Several of them, on all walls, for the students to use.
    Whatever it is they are doing on the computers they can benefit from some planning and collaboration first and whiteboards are great for facilitating this.
    Don't go with smartboards either. A plain low-tech whiteboard will work much better.

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  53. Infrastructure by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Start with the Infrastructure: wiring, power, desks, layout etc. Computers come and go, and even if you buy brand new computers, they will be gone in 5 years. Infrastructure will last, so make sure it is done RIGHT!!

    Second, think about HOW you're going to teach "computers", and what that really means. You asked about "computers" and I'm thinking you don't know what you are teaching. Probably "Word", "Excel", and "Powerpoint", but if you want to do your students a favor, don't teach "Programs" or "Applications" teach what they do "writing", "spreadsheet", and "presentation" ... and make them use a variety of programs to accomplish the assignments.

    Finally, make sure you have something like VISION in your lab.

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    1. Re:Infrastructure by dmiller1984 · · Score: 2

      Start with the Infrastructure: wiring, power, desks, layout etc. Computers come and go, and even if you buy brand new computers, they will be gone in 5 years. Infrastructure will last, so make sure it is done RIGHT!!

      Second, think about HOW you're going to teach "computers", and what that really means. You asked about "computers" and I'm thinking you don't know what you are teaching. Probably "Word", "Excel", and "Powerpoint", but if you want to do your students a favor, don't teach "Programs" or "Applications" teach what they do "writing", "spreadsheet", and "presentation" ... and make them use a variety of programs to accomplish the assignments.

      Finally, make sure you have something like VISION in your lab.

      I'm glad you pointed out the infrastructure. That is probably something I would have overlooked. I mainly teach web design and programming courses, including AP Computer Science.

    2. Re:Infrastructure by Uber+Banker · · Score: 1

      Overbid to an extent, with good justification, because you may not get all you want.

      Make a list yourself with fields 'urgent' 'important' 'cost'. Not everything important will be high cost, and not everything high cost will be important. Stay credible, but overbid a little. Really break things down in your Work Breakdown Schedule so everything's within +/- 5% in estimated cost, so you informally have a good idea of your budget provided, and you overbid by about 10% or more depending on your experience on how bidding works in your school.

      I totally agree with the above suggestions on creating an environment. Make a vibe, a buzz. Have small low cost events too. A secret santa programming contest making a Christmas or Easter website. A legacy PC with Lynx. Whatever.

      And make sure everything of value locked down if you think that's a risk. Not imposingly, but I remember in the 90s my class would strip down a PC when the teacher's not looking, from taking a strip of RAM to switching a DX100 for a DX33 [or something like that, it's a while back].

  54. My experiences by cos(0) · · Score: 3, Informative

    I am the entire IT department for a private K-12 school. I also teach an accelerated C++ class to high schoolers in that lab over the summer. We have one computer lab with 25 PCs. Here are some of the things I've done or plan to do to make it a pleasant and productive work environment, in no particular order:

    1) Have a good projector. Our projector does not support resolutions above 1024x768 and it can be a pain when the working window is needlessly smaller because of large static elements like the taskbar and toolbars.

    2) Install in-ceiling speakers connected to the teacher workstation to distribute sound evenly. I recommend in-ceiling speakers from Monoprice.

    3) Have a free-for-all shared network drive for students. We have three shared drives: one for students, one for all staff, and one for just office workers. This is probably one of the features that's easiest to set up yet appreciated the most.

    4) Use centralized logins. At my school I have a passwordless "student" account with a mandatory profile, while all other accounts are roaming profiles with redirected folders. I've not heard any complaints about this. Students get the same desktop experience on every computer, and teachers love that their settings are shared between computers. I also offer (through the logon pop-up message) to create roaming profiles to students who want this feature, but no one has yet taken me up on this. Probably because no one ever reads that message.

    5) Set up Fortres Grand Clean Slate or Faronics Deep Freeze on at least a few computers and configure them such that every account is an Administrator. There will always be students who'll want to install a legit program you haven't foreseen. Let them.

    6) Keep software up-to-date. No one likes using Firefox 2.0 or MSIE 6.0 on locked-down PCs. Do this either through group policy (if you're fearless) or by reimaging PCs on student breaks. Reimaging works because everyone's documents and settings already live on the server.

    7) This is controversial, but allow students and staff to attach any personal device to the network. We have a schoolwide wireless network, so this allows everyone to stay connected no matter what part of the building they're in. This has been tremendously popular at my school, and so far haven't had any issues.

    8) Use standby. No one minds it, and it saves a huge amount of energy. Use something like Faronics Power Save Enterprise if you want fine-grained control, or just configure Windows power settings to go on standby after X minutes of inactivity. As a bonus, standby is also quick to reveal defective RAM. (Bluescreen, "hardware problem, contact manufacturer")

    If anyone reading this is in Cedar Rapids / Iowa City of Iowa, I am an IT consultant and would love to implement this at more schools. :-)

  55. deep freeze is good and you don't need lock down t by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    deep freeze is good and you don't need lock down to the point of braking app's and makeing it hard to do stuff.

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  57. I would not worry by NSN+A392-99-964-5927 · · Score: 1

    Periodic tables you should be worrying about and adding to it ;-) How are you going to make progress as a scientist if you are worried about you computer system or network.

    Just a few deep thoughts to help you think about something far more important.

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    1. Re:I would not worry by NSN+A392-99-964-5927 · · Score: 1

      In fairness to computer scientists who do discover new techniques and algorithms that can have a substantial impact upon humanity, what does adding a new element onto the end of the period table really accomplish any more? Dmitri Mendeleev has certainly been proven over and over again that his "discovery" was very useful and some profound insights can be found from a purposeful study of that table, but most of the new elements only have dozens or fewer atoms that you can play with.... assuming you are the lead researcher in a team which has access to the equipment necessary to push on toward the end of the periodic table anyway.

      Heck, discovering a new element isn't even a place where you can make an impact in terms of physics. I would suggest that discovering a new planet is something a whole lot more worthwhile, and something that perhaps even a classroom full of kids in high school could accomplish with some of the tools that are available now for astronomical research. It certainly is a field with more data than researchers can keep up with, and something for which a room full of budding computer technicians and researchers might be able to come up with new ways to cope with that fire hose of data spewing forth. Folks who are working to find new elements are happy if they provide a new data point for some physical property of elements, like discovering that Bismuth actually has a half-life.

      You need a serious modding up for your post thank you for saying what I wanted to!

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  58. faronics this faronics that by decora · · Score: 1

    nevermind you can do everything faronics does with linux + ntfsclone for the cost of labor
    and farnoics is a gigantic vendor lockin clusterfuck to the twin houses of money wasting and mysterious breakage.

    1. Re:faronics this faronics that by cos(0) · · Score: 2

      I am sorry, but nothing you've said is remotely true.

      How does ntfsclone replace any Faronics product? I happen to use and love ntfsclone to reimage PCs. It's very nice, and like you said cheap, but it requires a reboot into Windows, a clone process that takes a while, and a mini-setup of Windows where it generates SIDs and other stuff.

      Deep Freeze and Clean Slate, on the other hand, allow anyone to reboot or even log off (in the case of Clean Slate) and get everything restored to normal. Now students can get a pristine image for every class period or anytime they want, instead of having me reimage it with ntfsclone daily, weekly, or monthly. In summary, ntfsclone is not a replacement for or a competitor to Faronics or Fortres Grand products. Unless you can point to a free product that has the same functionality, it's not "money wasting."

      As far as Faronics being a vendor lock-in -- again I have no idea what you're talking about. Deep Freeze is a single, well-contained product. It does not try to integrate with anything else, take over any other program, or cause any other headaches.

      Finally, "mysterious breakage"? Again, Deep Freeze is one of the most reliable products I've ever used. It's reliable because it's simple: it redirects disk writes at the block level, keeps a temporary mapping of these redirects, then purges it at reboot. Clean Slate is similar in results, but it works at the filesystem level, so a logoff is sufficient to reset the PC to a pristine state. Both work very well in my testing and field experience. I'd love to hear about your mysterious breakage.

  59. the physical artefacts dont matter that much by decora · · Score: 1

    what matters is that the students have the freedom to build things and explore their creativity and imagination.

    other than that, it doesnt matter if you have a bunch of old pentiums or a $500,000 artist designed "dead tech post modern bullshit" decor.

    education is about the relationship between people, not about gadgets, whiteboards, network policies, projectors, natural light, or any of that other bullshit.

  60. visibility by vtcodger · · Score: 1

    Didn't bother to read all the comments so maybe this has been covered. But just in case:

    Speaking from experience. Make sure that there is a comfortable place in the room from which you, or whoever is watching over the lab can see every monitor. Do not depend on tools that allow you to look at the screens one by one. You want to know what is going on in your lab, who is having trouble, what forbidden conduct is going on, etc. You don't have to pounce on every transgression BTW. If an otherwise OK student wants to play Freecell toward the end of the lab period, maybe it's OK to overlook it. Your call.

    But you want to try to make sure that the "troublemakers" -- who may well be smarter and more computer savvy than you are -- have not bypassed the firewall and are not adding pornography as an optional feature on the school's website.

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    1. Re:visibility by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      Those "troublemakers" should be encouraged to do just that. Those are the ones that will do well in computing and it can be used as an effective tool to engage them. Sure you'll have to do some clean up on occasion but it's better than shutting them down on something they show skill at.

      Let the students do what they will on the computers, so long as they're completing what you've asked.

      - Depending on your OS: Deep Freeze http://www.faronics.com/enterprise/deep-freeze/ on every computer.
      - Give them a honeypot to hack into and poke around
      - Human interface devices. Let them see how their actions on a computer can do something in the real world. LEGO robotics software is great for this stuff.
      - Software to allow integration with other classes... doing a catapult launch in science? simulate the physics and test designs before making them. Algebra? Link it to programming. etc
      - Build in problems for students to diagnose/resolve into your software and hardware setup. Nothing complicated but problem solving is the best way to learn computers imo.

      Whatever you do, never treat someone as a troublemaker.

    2. Re:visibility by vtcodger · · Score: 1

      They should be encouraged, but they need a bit of supervision. They don't lack brains. But they very likely do lack judgment. Trust me on this. You don't need to stomp on them as long as what they are doing is more or less harmless. But you really, really want to know what they are up to.

      As for your other ideas. If you spend some time in a school, you'll find that they take all take loads of time and resource. If you are prepared to donate a lot of your time for free, you might be able to implement one of them ... maybe ... Which one?

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    3. Re:visibility by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      The first two will save time and are very easy to setup. Of the others, LEGO is by far the best... kids love it (even those that aren't geeks) and you can do some really creative things with them that can branch over multiple teaching units.

  61. Nice Idea, Unfortunately Frozen State Exists by AverageWindowsUser · · Score: 1

    Thats the way it really should be. Can anyone here hack Frozen State ???

  62. Awesome opportunity by andrew.morrison · · Score: 2

    Please don't focus on making a lab with rows of desks. Research is showing that if you want students to engage with ICTs in the learning process, it needs to move away from how the ergonomics of the room is setup. Will the lab be used across all KLA (subjects areas)? If it is, consider what these subjects need to really engage with the technology. Desks which can be reconfigured to collaborate in breakout spaces should be considered. Read up on some of the stuff that Stephen Heppell has to say about agile learning spaces. Some of the stuff from the UK future labs should be considered also. Consider putting up LCDs on the side walls to replicate what is shown on the front screen. Also if students can collaborate in groups and project on the screens in small groups. Sure, wired Ethernet is king for management. For collaborative learning it's hard to beat ubiquitous wireless. Kids arent tethered to locations. Power pits in floor if you can afford it. Does your school run a 1:1 program? We are slowly phasing out labs, and turning them into general purpose areas. Keep asking. Sure, Ubuntu and the other suggestions might be good, but what's the total cost of ownership? If non-tech teachers are trying to engage in there, make it as simple as possible. Good luck!

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  64. Environment/Lighting by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Natural lighting is good if strategically placed and diffused to raise the general ambient level. In general though keep those obnoxious old-school fluorescent tube lights to a modest minimum (if at all). They're hell on the eyes, especially if not bounced off a ceiling first. Let them do the job of minimal ambient and save the workspace lighting tasks for point lighting fixtures.

    As for environment, light colored wood (think bamboo), some greenery, and pictures--actual props even if possible--themed from the history of computing. Avoid long rows of computer stations. Think small groups or short lines. For instance lecture space up front, short lines of three workstations facing angled to the outside on either side of an aisle such that you can walk up and down and easily see the screens but the students don't have to unnaturally twist all the way around to follow you up at the front.

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  65. Re:deep freeze is good and you don't need lock dow by TWX · · Score: 1

    We used Deepfreeze for awhile but they tried Clean Slate because it was cheaper. Now we're going back to Deepfreeze because Cleanslate won't let us install Ie8 or Office 2010 even when disabled.

    I wish they'd just spent the money to train someone how to set policies, but they never did and probably never will.

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    Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
  66. Light by lightknight · · Score: 1

    Large glass windows, preferably on the second story on up.

    Don't put any windows on the first floor, as someone will put a brick through them and make off with the machines in the middle of the night. Repeatedly, as experience recalls.

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  67. Grattan grade school in San Francisco by mdahlman · · Score: 1

    You should take a look at Grattan primary school in the San Francisco school district. The link is good, and googling will turn up more. It's outrageously good. The kids love it. Yes, those are live plants and live bugs. Yes, several of the computers are in a tree house and several are in a huge canoe.

    Many of the ideas could apply to a high school computer lab, though probably not every detail is appropriate.

  68. Steady State by JBMcB · · Score: 1

    Keep the machines themselves pretty open - let them dink around with settings, install junk, play around with stuff, etc... But have a steady-state client locked down and active in the pre-boot environment, so every time they log out and/or reboot the machine everything gets wiped and you start fresh. Keeps down on the viruses, too.

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  69. Re:the by jordanjay29 · · Score: 1

    You don't even need the last part. Stick in the most computer illiterate girls you can find and put them next to the techie geek kids. Then sit back and watch them blossom...or scrape off the geek's guts out of the locker they were shoved into by the girl's husky football/hockey/basketball/wrestling/etc player boyfriend.

    Don't worry, I'm sure you didn't mean for that to happen.

  70. Re:Privacy? by jordanjay29 · · Score: 1

    You must not have been in school recently. There's no surfing for ANYTHING with some schools' locked down networks. Even a glimpse of the wrong word on a page gets a website blocked. Even slashdot isn't safe, tech blogs can get blocked for being distracting, too. I've seen it happen.

  71. Ventilighter to brighten your room using sunlight by santoshtara · · Score: 1

    Please have a look at this concept of a window / ventilator http://www.flickr.com/photos/46922157@N00/

  72. Good quality keyboards! by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 1

    Not only are good keyboards good for ergonomics, but wear. These keyboards will take a beating. If you get the cheap $10 keyboards, you might as well get 5 for each workstation so when one breaks, you get the next out of the closet.

    1. Re:Good quality keyboards! by Glonoinha · · Score: 1

      See also : IBM Model M keyboard.
      The number 1391403 sticks out in my mind for this one, but good luck finding that one in any quantity.

      It's like the Tonka Truck of keyboards. Not easy to break, but easily used to break other things. You hit someone with a Model M keyboard and they are GOING DOWN.

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    2. Re:Good quality keyboards! by shtrom · · Score: 1

      While you're at it, end the stupid typewriter hegemony in the egg. No more jagged and oddly-located keys.

      I've been using a TypeMatrix keyboard (http://typematrix.com/) for a while, and am quite satisfied with it. I'm now eyeing the TrulyErgonomic one (http://www.trulyergonomic.com/) which seems even better.

      I think it's about time people know that well thought keyboards exist, and start getting them before RSI sets in. On that matter, a break timer may also be good to give them good habits early.

      Next rant: dvorak, but it may be too early (;

  73. Re:Privacy? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Dude, if you can't get around your parent's net nanny, you do not deserve porn. It's an important start into the world of hacking, and if this doesn't motivate the average teenager, what possibly could?

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  74. Use only 1 computer! by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 1
    Instead of spending money on a computer for each student, look at a server/thin client solution.

    If you use Aqua Connect you can provide each student with a Mac desktop, but be able to lock it down, eliminate fan noise (most thin clients don't need fans, and reduce power consumption. Or if you want to force the students into a Windows environment, there is Windows Terminal Server.

  75. Also with regards to infrastructure by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    Overbuilt that shit, if you have the money. Reason is that as the GP says it'll outlast, it is a pain to replace, and demands will probably go up. The one I'd try for sure to over-spec is the network. Put in Cat-6a cable. I know it looks like 10 gigabit is something totally unnecessary but will it still be that way in 20 years? Because the lab will still probably be there. If you put in Cat-5e in 10 or 20 years, there is a reasonable chance the wiring will need to be replaced or the speeds will be "slow". Put in 6a and maybe it takes more like 30-40 years to get to that point.

    I'd also go heavy on the power provision. While I hear plenty of people say "Computer aren't going to keep using more power, they already use too much," they keep finding ways to use more power. While a dedicated circuit per station is probably too expensive, go as close to that as you can. Try and make sure there is at least 4 amps per station for computer and monitor and extras. That means just 5 stations per 20 amp circuit. Yes that is a lot of extra power, but it means that in the future someone won't be cursing because new systems use more power than the setup can handle.

    Also on the power lines, make sure each station has more than two outlets. Have at least one in easy reach for a laptop or the like, and have two to four extras for other stuff. Maybe it is speakers, maybe it is a tool for learning (like an NI-EVVIS) whatever the case, life will be much easier if the outlets are there and there doesn't have to be tons of power strips laying around haphazardly.

    In terms of furniture, think durability. Like most things it won't get replaced often, so it needs to last. Get fabrics and designs that can stand up to abuse. That will probably cost more and will certainly exclude some "designer" crap but that is what you want.

    In terms of computer hardware only thing I'd say it look at getting some decent monitors. Monitors tend to outlast computer a good bit, so long as they don't fail, are large enough, etc. It can be worth it to spend a bit more on good monitors so they can last through 2-4 computer replacements.

    1. Re:Also with regards to infrastructure by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      Overbuilt that shit, if you have the money.

      I'd just disagree here. Overbuilt the infrastructure. There is not "if", you do have the money.

      If you are creating an entire lab, infrastructure costs a very small fraction of that. Buy some slightly worse computers if you need, and overbuid the infrastructure.

    2. Re:Also with regards to infrastructure by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      On monitors, I would add: Go dual 24", or bigger if you can. The second monitor can be used for documentation, or to see the assignment being broadcast from the teacher workstation, while allowing the student to work on the other computer. KVMs, or reverse switches would be handy here too. If you get the Dell or HP monitors, you will even have extra connections you could drop down for the laptop users.

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  76. ASR-33's and a CRT terminal by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    We had two ASR-33 Teletypes and a CRT dumb terminal.

    Everybody vied to get on the CRT terminal because it displayed upper case and was 300 baud. The teletypes were 110 baud.

    It was good enough for us. 640K? You're kidding, right?

  77. I think you thought too hard... by raehl · · Score: 2

    ...if you are considering what should be included in a high school computer lab, the obvious answer is....

    Girls.

  78. Go for the lecture hall layout, here's why ... by MacTO · · Score: 1

    I look for three things in a classroom: can the students collaborate, can I freely move around the class to work with each student, and can I present information to the entire class. The lecture hall layout with the rows widely spaced is the easiest way to do that.

    When the desks are in rows, the students can work with their peers to the left and the right. They can see each other's monitor and talk face-to-face.

    Widely spaced rows allow the teacher to move around the classroom to assist students, and offers the teacher a clear sight-line to other rows to monitor progress.

    Finally, the students are always facing the front of the room when you need to present information to the class.

    The only real problem with the lecture hall layout is that it is stigmatized: it is old school schooling, therefore bad. That attitude is silly. Modern teaching methodologies are about human interactions. As long as the teacher has the freedom to move around the classroom and students have the ability to work with each other face to face, you are facilitating those human interactions.

    (Note: I usually use a different layout, but I teach children. Their small bodies allow me to use "L" shaped pods with clearly defined groups for activities.)

  79. What we're doing... by physman_wiu · · Score: 1

    We're renovating (well adding) a computer room this year. What we're doing is making the whole room modular. The desks will have metal plates that the PCs (AIOs) will mount on. The tiling on the floor will allow for the desks to be moved into any sort of grid arrangement that will fit in the classroom, and then posts will secure the desks to the floor. The server is in a separate room and the PCs connect through the network through wi-fi. Also each student is able to log on to the system using their NFC student cards. The desk themselves allow for either standing or sitting since the monitors can be angled back and brought down or up if needed. The entire room will be covered in white boards as well, allowing for brainstorming anywhere in the room. This is great to allow students to brainstorm in groups around the room, then go back to the PCs to do their work. We will also have a 5 foot touch wall for interactive demonstrations and teaching. The desks power system will be piggy backed, so we don't spend too much money on setting up plugs everywhere.

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  80. I was a HS lab tech for 2 years by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

    I worked in a high school that had gone through a massive investment in computer technology under the assumption that the mere presence of PCs in every classroom was some kind of education panacea. And, they were on the way to buying laptops for *every* high school student with just as little preparation.

    The first thing you need to start with is having a game plan to make use of your computers as well as a way to educate all the teachers that will be accessing your labs to craft lesson plans. Second, you need to make an honest assessment of how much access your lab(s) will have. Then, and only then do the normal network admin issues come into play.

    I will say this; high school kids will do the damnedest things in your labs and you better be prepared to deal with them. Some posters here think that jacking with a school IT network is a geek's rite of passage, but it's not fun scrubbing systems after a bunch of pimply wannabe hackers have clumsily manipulated your configurations:

    * A 16-ish girl looking at lingerie catalogs online to apparently entice the 30-ish boyfriend I saw her in town with.
    * Kids stealing mouse tracking balls because they were "neat".
    * Porn downloads of course. I even found a beastiality mpeg on a machine once :(
    * Expect zero sophistication when it comes to downloading files.
    * Usual script kiddie crap.

    I'd say the one advantage you have is with well-communicated policies, you can convince your superiors to enforce stricter policies than in other environments because you're dealing with children at their most devious.

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  81. Virtualization redifines the computer lab by hotsushi · · Score: 1

    Hi, I just retired from 15 years at a community college teaching NetWare then NT derivatives and finally, Internet delivered classes in Linux and network security. For me, VirtualBox (or similar) has been the most valuable advance in the hands-on lab assignments so common to teaching about computers. First, virtualization allows the quick and easy creation of virtual hosts with any common O/S and a suite of configured applications. You can clone a host, make snapshots, play with networking, etc. Note that Apple software may not be used on non-Apple hardware. Second, if a students own machine can run the virtualization software, everyone in the class has the same platform for doing the homework. -no more incompatible hardware. -less lab to buy and support. -computer labs have drawbacks as a place to learn. Third, virtualization is hot. No more dual-boot or removable drive trays. With USB-3, it's practical to carry a dozen virtual machines in your pocket. Plus, students learn about virtualization. See youtube videos by wetlinux. Cheers

  82. Perfection in the eye of the beholder. by Ostracus · · Score: 1

    What are some of your ideas for a great computer lab for education?

    The Perfect Educational Computer Lab

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    1. Re:Perfection in the eye of the beholder. by Ostracus · · Score: 1
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  83. Ceramic Tiles! by GNious · · Score: 1

    Do what I saw at one school: Place it in an old meat-processing hall, with ceramic tiles on the walls, and a minimum of light.
    The humm from the computers and printers will reverb nicely off the tiles, and with help of the artificial light will induce the right kind of headache to steer any student away from using computers - ever!

  84. use Linux / teach Python by Mormz · · Score: 1

    The kids will be grateful later on for the opportunity to break out of MS lock-in, and Python is a fun, easy language to learn, though surprisingly powerful. Design the classroom so that a pair of students (as in pair programming) sit opposite each other so they can look each other in the face, not each others monitor. Give assignments per pair, not the same assignment to the whole class. Use source-code control. (So you can check on their progress after class). Give them assignments that span several school-hours, to occupy them. Not just stupid hello world/word counter programs that are too boring and don't do anything useful. Design the classroom so the pairs all see the whiteboard/projection place, yet have space enough to stretch out. Award collaboration (not cheating kind of collab), but also award individual flashes of insight. Do base your CS class on programming as it is a useful skill even for those who won't work as IT people. Meaning really, most of these kids today know how to use word processing and/or spreadsheet software, and if you captivate them with something interesting and fun, they'll be less likely to cause havoc in the classroom. If you must use Windows, somebody mentioned Faronics ... good choice. If you want to go with some fancy stuff like VDI or Thin Client enviroment (which I highly recommend) ... use something like https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/ or even better the SUSE version http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP because of Yast (management tool, not all powerful, but just enough). Configure thin clients with LXDE or some hybrid containing Awesome WM, deploy Firefox, Thunderbird, Eclipse, OpenOffice (apps that use local workstation resources, but boot over network) and you're be set for another 4-5 years. If you must use Windows, everything here applies but you change the server from Linux Terminal Server Project to this... http://www.xpunlimited.com/ ... and deal with the clients accordingly ... probably with WPKG (http://wpkg.org/). You can do everything, even on a tight budget, you just have to have some imagination, and a good working knowledge in tinkering with various open-source software.

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  86. let them hack by xenopain · · Score: 1

    I cannot comment on infrastructure/layout/interior design, but what I can comment on from experience is - create opportunities for your students to hack. Put restrictions that they will feel compelled to hack around - maybe like prevent access to youtube, in a way that if they learn how DNS works, they will be able to actually go an youtube. This will teach them a lot more hands on experience that you can possibly give.

  87. A lab is a waste. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    Schools shouldn't waste money on computer labs, (Keep a few computers in the library for real research on the net) because schools don't teach kids how to really use computers. They teach them the lameo stuff over and over again. How to use Word, Excel, Powerpoint and look up crap on the web.

    Back in my day, in 4th and 5th grade we had computer classes and what did they teach to these 9-12 year olds How to program in Basic or Logo, how to use the computer to solve problems.

    Today computer education is a wast of everyone's money.

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  88. My Ideal Lab Space by Frightened_Turtle · · Score: 1

    Nasa has a list of plants that actually clean the air. A PDF of the original study is here, or you can go to a simplified list on Wikipedia. I think we are all aware of "sasquatches", individuals who while technically gifted are hygienically challenged. Having been 'squatched (trapped in an enclosed area by a sasquatch with precious little fresh air rejuvenation) far too many times, I also offer up a list of scented plants that can help. Humans tend to respond most favorably to rose-scented flowers (hence the popularity of roses). Sickly-sweet perfumes (such as lilies) can be unpleasant to some people. Miniature roses and rose-scented geraniums are probably the easiest to care for. Avoid poisonous plants (e.g. Angel trumpet) as at some point, a teenager (with little or no impulse control) is going to think it's funny (or for revenge) to slip a few bits of the plant into someone's drink or food without giving much thought to the potential outcome. If your high school has a gardening club, it would be wise to involve them. This could be a good lesson plan for students interested in biology and interior design.

    Remove all fluorescent light tubes and replace them with LED banks. Preferably full spectrum or with a blend of colors. Make sure the lighting is always indirect and that the source points (the LEDs themselves) are not directly viewable. This makes for good, soft all-around lighting with little or no glare. Very easy on the eyes. Fluorescent lighting is very harsh on the eyes. I would build the banks based on five LEDs: cool white, warm white, red, green, and blue. I would also sprinkle in a couple of black-light purple LEDs. Turn this into a lesson and have the kids build such banks with an Arduino to control them. The kids could learn to program various light levels and colors to simulate various natural lighting situations. You could program the LED banks along the walls to actually change the color of the room. Also, full-spectrum lighting is good for the plants, just as it is calming for the humans in the room.

    The room design is important as well. I would have the walls painted white with a slight bluish or cool grayish tint to it. Neutral grey colors are best for rooms where computer graphic design or image processing are taking place, to avoid the eyes being fooled about the color balance of an image. While greys are a cold and sterile color, the room can be warmed up by adjusting the color balance of the LED lights mentioned above. One wall should have a 16:9 rectangle painted in reflective paint to be used as a screen or have a retractable screen in front of an optional chalkboard for lessons. In a computer class, the teacher can then show code samples on the screen and demonstrations of changes to the code. Outgoing vents should be placed along the chalkboard or whiteboard, so dust from chalk and fumes and dust from the markers exits the room via the vents to protect the computers from dust. Good ventilation is also important due to the incidence of 'squatches mentioned above.

    Chairs should have gel padding in the seats. There should be footrests beneath the desks. Being comfortable is vital when coding. Cheap, hard, plastic seats become uncomfortable very quickly and that becomes distracting while trying to work out some code.

    For equipment, I would suggest Unix-based computers with a centralized administration console. Students should only have non-administrative accounts on their computers. Windows could be run via WINE or Parallels or Fusion, depending on the parent OS of the computers. Virtualized environments can easily be cleansed should a student introduce or create malicious software. Students should be encouraged to try and figure out how to escalate their permi

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  89. Natural light by cshark · · Score: 1

    It's very important. People so often forget to include that in office designs, and I think it's absolutely essential when working on computers, and people that use them. So think sky lights, and nice tall windows. Also, low glare flat screens, nice big low glare matted flat screens. Those would be good too. Also, don't forget to spend some actual money on these machines. Go to geeks.com and ebay to get the most computer for the money, but come up with a good spec that'll be relevant for awhile. I'm spending a lot of time on these sites today, as I'm looking to build a Hackintosh (yes, totally giving up on desktop Linux, thanks Ubuntu) in 2012. I'm finding that it's gotten a lot easier to build a really nice system, if you're conscious about how far your budget can go.

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  90. what i would do on the walls by stephen.gagliardi · · Score: 1

    from our experience if you are building a new room you may want to use idea paint it is the coolest thing to draw on the walls with dry erase markers. http://www.ideapaint.com/ we are beginning to use it at our schools. AND, if you are going to be doing computer science the computers i would use in the lab would be linux based or apple computers(BSD), and include the topics scripting, functional, programming and object oriented.

  91. Energy Positive by philosopher3000 · · Score: 1

    Make sure any new building is a "net-zero" addition, with LEED Platinum level energy efficiency, and enough renewable energy to make the building energy neutral or energy positive. http://www.usgbc.org/DisplayPage.aspx?CategoryID=19 Include things like SolarTubes for natural light: http://www.solatube.com/ Include lots of plug-trees in open spaces for laptops (that's where you can put plants). Include a secluded quiet zone, for serious programming or study, and a glass walled meeting room for discussions and media development. Personally, I like a library with all the tech manuals, programing books, software manuals, etc. even out of date books give us valuable perspective and unique understanding. Remember you are teaching the spectrum of computer skills, from basic literacy to specialized science, include areas for business, programing, and creative visual arts. (A serious lab for robotics, AI, and smart phone apps wouldn't hurt).

  92. And for the computers? by h00manist · · Score: 1

    Maybe universities have dedicated the most effort into making the ideal computer lab system.
    http://vcl.ncsu.edu/

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  93. The heck with pictures by Seraphim_72 · · Score: 1

    Find a nice spot of wall, put down something comfy to sit/lay/lounge on, think soft carpet, and odd shaped pillow things. Then on the wall glue on a bunch of green lego plates, then add a box of basic bricks. better yet, put it in a corner, make sure the soda machine is next to it.

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