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Android Approved By Pentagon

sfcrazy writes "The Pentagon has approved a version of Android running on Dell hardware to be used by DoD officials, along with the BlackBerry. The approval of Android by the DoD is a major setback for Apple's iPhone. This doesn't mean that DoD employees can use any Android phone. The Pentagon has approved only Dell's hardware running Android 2.2. Interestingly Dell recently discontinued its Streak phone which runs Android 2.2. Dell is now offering Dell Venue which runs on Android 2.2. So, this is the phone which DoD employees can use."

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  1. No goodies for the DoD by wbr1 · · Score: 2

    I guess they won't be getting Ice Cream Sandwich without rooting either.

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    1. Re:No goodies for the DoD by gcnaddict · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Right, because rooting a phone you plan on using for handling sensitive compartmented information is such a good idea.

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    2. Re:No goodies for the DoD by Threni · · Score: 2

      Who cares? 2.3 is all you need. Seems like nothing but small, unimportant updates for ages now. No point in getting ICS for the sake of it, just like there was (is, in a lot of cases) no point in corporate windows users upgrading from XP to Vista or 7.

    3. Re:No goodies for the DoD by davester666 · · Score: 1

      I know it was past the first sentence, but it specifically mentions being limited to v2.2.

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    4. Re:No goodies for the DoD by gcnaddict · · Score: 1

      Actually, I didn't reply to it, but I do readily admit that my callous lack of knowledge for how SCI material is handled caught me off-guard with how many times I was corrected in the thread. I do happen to have a sense of humor, but I didn't originally see the joke.

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    5. Re:No goodies for the DoD by Hadlock · · Score: 4, Interesting

      After 4 days with ICS on my Nexus S, I am seriously considering downgrading. The only end-user changes are almost completely cosmetic, and app/widget support for ICS is poor at best for many things I use on a daily basis.

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    6. Re:No goodies for the DoD by gcnaddict · · Score: 1

      No, you're right. I mis-used the term; I only remembered that SCI is locked into SCIFs after the fact.

      Oh well, point taken.

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    7. Re:No goodies for the DoD by gcnaddict · · Score: 1

      You are a pure natural born idiot. I D I O T. Please go finish that bottle of glue now.

      ok! =)

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    8. Re:No goodies for the DoD by Threni · · Score: 1

      No, the first sentence was:

      "I guess they won't be getting Ice Cream Sandwich without rooting either."

    9. Re:No goodies for the DoD by gatkinso · · Score: 1

      Accreditation for mobile devices will only be up to collateral secret... and even that is a big "if."

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    10. Re:No goodies for the DoD by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      woosh.... MAJOR fucking WOOSH!

      More like General Whoosh.

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    11. Re:No goodies for the DoD by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      That whoosh really upset you gcnaddict. It's even funnier that you have a 6 digit ID. Calm down.

      AC has three digit ID FWIW

    12. Re:No goodies for the DoD by a_hanso · · Score: 1

      There's a colonel of truth to what you say.

    13. Re:No goodies for the DoD by DaVince21 · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily. If it was an actual joke, there's no point to replying seriously. But OP wasn't making a joke as far as I can tell, so the woosh was unwarranted.

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    14. Re:No goodies for the DoD by mikiN · · Score: 1

      I think CmdrTaco would agree.

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  2. Given the DoD's ongoing love affair with Windows by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... I have a hard time believing the open-source-ness of Android played any real part in the decision, no matter what TFA says. Someone at Dell made the right deal with the right people at the Pentagon.

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  3. iOS Devices Already In Use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, DOD employees have been allowed to use iOS devices since November with approval of their CIOs, and the same 'blanket' approval which Android 2.2 just received is forthcoming. So much FUD....

    1. Re:iOS Devices Already In Use by girlintraining · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wanna play a game of thermonuclear warfare? There's an app for that.

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    2. Re:iOS Devices Already In Use by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Losing a monopoly doesn't count as a major setback?

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    3. Re:iOS Devices Already In Use by HarrySquatter · · Score: 1

      Since when did they ever have a monopoly within the DoD? Oh right, they didn't.

    4. Re:iOS Devices Already In Use by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Have you not seen any of the articles about RIM collapsing on itself, and spinning off the handset devision before it loses all of it's value?

    5. Re:iOS Devices Already In Use by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Obviously I wasn't referring to supplying stuff like tanks and aircraft carriers, you fat cunt.

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    6. Re:iOS Devices Already In Use by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      Oh dear, you lose the argument by default since we can't hear you from the Naughty Step.

      Either way, the implication was that iOS had a monopoly in the DoD, presumably on cellphones which is so far right of the truth I think Glenn Beck is frantically scribbling it down for his next book.

    7. Re:iOS Devices Already In Use by gatkinso · · Score: 1

      I don't see iOS listed on the NIAP.

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  4. Misleading headline; Why? by bogaboga · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This doesn't mean that DoD employees can use any Android phone. The Pentagon has approved only Dell's hardware running Android 2.2.

    How about a headline that goes:

    Dell scores one with Android

    More accurate, right?

    1. Re:Misleading headline; Why? by aplusjimages · · Score: 3, Funny

      I was thinking:
      Uncle Sam Hates Steve Jobs
      That'll get more reads

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    2. Re:Misleading headline; Why? by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

      Actually you are more right than you realize. For the most part the DoD doesn't actually go out and look for stuff to approve, the companies themselves have to submit their products to be "Common Criteria" certified. After which the DoD evaluates and either approves or declines the submitted hw/sw... this is all done on the companies dime. So in all likelihood Dell actually paid a decent chunk of change to get this thing certified in hopes that they can sell a lot of units to the DoD.

    3. Re:Misleading headline; Why? by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      Slashdot is typically very pro-Android; at least, the commenters and moderators are.

      Not me - I'm still hoping for a debian-based fusion of webos, meego and wayland, running Android apps in an IcedRobot container.

      I think Slashdot is more pro-Cyanogenmod than pro-Android. Plus hating Apple is fun for some people.

    4. Re:Misleading headline; Why? by RobbieThe1st · · Score: 1

      /me agrees completely.
      My Maemo-based N900 is excellent, but the hardware's getting slightly old.

    5. Re:Misleading headline; Why? by drkstr1 · · Score: 1

      I was just thinking:
      Uncle Sam Must Hate Steve Jobs
      That'll get more reads

      FIFY :)

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    6. Re:Misleading headline; Why? by Galestar · · Score: 1

      the problem is that people are getting modded down now if they praise anything Apple does or criticize anything related to Google or Android.

      You get modded down for trolling.
      And you get modded up for spreading your Apple shill. Stop playing around, you are getting modded up enough already.

      I especially like how you get first post on every Android/Apple article, somehow writing 10 paragraphs and still in FP. And you do get modded up even though 50% of what you wrote is total bullshit.

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  5. Carrier IQ by farnsworth · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've always wondered how the military et al cope with things like Carrier IQ. Do they get special builds of iOS and Android that exclude it? How do they keep top secret data from leaking out to third parties?

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    1. Re:Carrier IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They're the ones writing things like Carrier IQ.

    2. Re:Carrier IQ by viperidaenz · · Score: 4, Informative

      Its my understanding you don't need a "special build" of Android to not get Carrier IQ. You need a "special build" to get it - like those created by/for the carriers

    3. Re:Carrier IQ by AG+the+other · · Score: 1

      If such a thing as Carrier IQ were on a phone under review by DOD it would have to be removed.

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    4. Re:Carrier IQ by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      Its my understanding you don't need a "special build" of Android to not get Carrier IQ. You need a "special build" to get it - like those created by/for the carriers

      correct. with ios it was probably bit tricker since they baked it in by default for some versions and I suppose thats one of the reasons they removed it, so they wouldn't be excluded from certifications in future.

      and well, for everyday things except combat stuff, military would trust telecoms as usual customers(meetings where they discuss stuff like if some base gets budget or not - those talks are with politicians anyhow).

      and the secret, combat etc stuff goes over their own radios and coms anyhow. in most militaries anyways.

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    5. Re:Carrier IQ by Baloroth · · Score: 2

      How do they keep top secret data from leaking out to third parties?

      First of all, you don't put top secret stuff on your phone. That is a quick way to lose your security clearance. There are very strict rules about what top secret data can and cannot be placed on: putting it on public-internet facing devices like a phone will get you in shitloads of trouble. It's possible they have Android builds that work on SIPRNET (I've heard the President gets something like that from Blackberry) with a physical switch (SIPRNET devices have to be physically separate in some way from ARPANET devices), but this doesn't sound at all similar. So classified information should never be on these devices to be leaked.

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    6. Re:Carrier IQ by farnsworth · · Score: 1

      Do you really think these things will be used to handle classified information?

      This is why I asked the question -- I don't know. How do you connect to wifi in the Pentagon without having your credentials keylogged? This is my question.

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    7. Re:Carrier IQ by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It will be a special built containing only apps that have been vetted by the DoD and probably with installation of additional app disabled.

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  6. Re:Why Doesn't the DoD Roll their Own? by Nimey · · Score: 1

    That would be an affront to the Free Market (pbui).

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  7. iOS approved already by Dupple · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/steelcloud-announces-new-dod-platforms-for-securing-good-technology-and-apple-ios-128885828.html ASHBURN, Va., Sept. 1, 2011 /PRNewswire/ ---- SteelCloud, Inc. (OTCQB: SCLD.PK), a leading developer of mobility appliance and VMware® solutions today announced the release of MobileWorks, its newest mobile appliance developed for the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD). In conjunction with the recent approval of the use of Apple® iOS devices within the DoD, SteelCloud is pleased to offer the immediate availability of MobileWorks DE for the STIG and security configuration guidance compliant platform deployment of the Good For Government mobile security suite.

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    1. Re:iOS approved already by DavidinAla · · Score: 1

      Don't confuse the fanboys with facts like this. Since they hate Apple, it MUST be "a serious setback" for Apple.

    2. Re:iOS approved already by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      A fanboy will defend his product on all levels and be quite joyous for any victory it obtains as a major victory. A hater will find any flaw and use it why the product sucks, and any setback they will quit joyous as it will seem like a major victory.

      Using a chess analogy. Apple just lost a pawn. They knew it will happen. But in the mean time apple has Horton market share and mind share (where all other devices will need to be compared with apples)

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  8. Re:Uhhh ... iOS is ALREADY in use by the DoD by Locutus · · Score: 2

    and they just lost that exclusivity. The article was rather down on iOS but I got that this means Android got the nod going forward.

    The competition is good for everyone as long as one player isn't dominating and controlling. So, it's really not a big deal for Apple and it may cause some benefits should Apple want back into that game.

    LoB

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  9. Re:Uhhh ... iOS is ALREADY in use by the DoD by HarrySquatter · · Score: 1

    I wouldn't be too quick to use this stupid article as any sort of actual insight into the DoD. What this person is claiming is mostly incorrect.

  10. Re:Major setback? by HarrySquatter · · Score: 1

    Because the author of the article is an idiot and probably has no DoD experience or works in any capacity within or contracting for the DoD.

  11. Ob by Hognoxious · · Score: 1, Funny

    Don't ask, don't D^htell.

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  12. Also Windows is just as open to them by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The idea that Windows' source code is some massive secret is rather funny. It is closed source, but it is no secret. Not only do governments have it (which they require if it is to be used for anything classified) but universities do too. MS licenses it to various universities with some conditions. Students can see it and mess with it, but not copy it and that kind of thing.

    Any OS the DoD is going to use, they'll have the code for. So to them Windows and Android are no different in that regard.

    1. Re:Also Windows is just as open to them by Galestar · · Score: 1

      Not only do governments have it (which they require if it is to be used for anything classified) but universities do too.

      Would some kind soul at a university in possession of said source code please put it in a torrent. kthnxbai.

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  13. Re:Why Doesn't the DoD Roll their Own? by houstonbofh · · Score: 2

    The DOD does not build anything. They pay contractors to do that.

  14. Re:Major setback? by jeremyp · · Score: 1

    FTA

    Starts & Stripes repots, “Android, developed by Google and other companies, is open source software meaning it can be easily configured by uses – including DOD tech whizzes who want to install security measures.”
    The Army is already doing widespread testing of prototype smartphone-like devices for use in combat, These devices could change the Army's tactics, reports Stars & Strips.

    The author is an idiot who can't spell writing for a magazine that doesn't copy edit.

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  15. "Right on/top marks" but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    With said source, you need actual EXPERIENCED coders (and time) to TRULY "get the hang of it" & what's going on inside it... Windows NT, the forerunner/ancestor of modern Windows OS'? Last I knew of, it had 30 million++ lines of code (means TIME, bigtime, to understand)... it's not gotten smaller in modern varieties either (think Win7/Srv2k8).

    Which is, after all, EXACTLY why the MOST DANGEROUS "hacker/cracker" types, are coders... because only coders, experienced ones (not 'script kiddies') mind you, have the understanding of these things!

    (Not just "any coders" either - what's required's actually, a "combined threat" type, that understands coding AND networking + OS' & how to use them @ the "lowest levels" - takes YEARS to DECADES too, & on many OS (though the principles of them ALL are pretty much the same & they access the same types of hardware + networks too)).

    Those are the guys you have to "look out for" (& then again, so does the NSA/CIA etc., because they're what they recruit!)

    * Put it THIS way: Trust me, I know...

    (Now, if YOU want to know too, & see examples? Then, I suggest you all take a trip over to rootkit.com & see "what shakes" there... that site? It'll "school U" (or anyone, & I don't care WHO you are... pretty amazing stuff gets pointed out there!)).

    APK

    P.S.=> However - The main thing closed source OS have going for them's that NOT EVERYONE HAS THEIR CODE, & I'll tell you, right now/point-blank, that finding "security holes" in "OPEN SORES" code's a hell of a lot simpler/easier than in closed source stuff & especially "for the masses" (because ANYONE can get say, Linux' code, & a compiler + "step trace" thru it for finding said potential "bugs"). That's simpler, faster, & EASIER than trying to disassemble or use a "fuzzer" on closed source code...

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  16. Just in time by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    Now China can scan all of the DOD's data without having to put spies into America. Go Dell.

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    1. Re:Just in time by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      you know whats funny? dell does government approved android for BOTH china and usa.

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    2. Re:Just in time by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      And both are produced in China. Only now, dell will shop their android data through China's gov. search engine.

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  17. but you need to war dial to get the number and the by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    but you need to war dial to get the number and then find the back door password.

  18. DARPA Transformative Apps by gatkinso · · Score: 1

    Read up on that, ignore the article.

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  19. Re:Why Doesn't the DoD Roll their Own? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    They need to build a solution from the ground up, otherwise it's going to be a mess to maintain or support.

    What do they care? They're the Military, for chrissake. Messes are their specialty. They even call the place they eat a "mess".

    We just saw how more than half the politicians tremble at the mere mention of a cut to military spending. The even tremble at a mention of a cut in the increase in military spending. Hell, if you run Xe or a company like it or a military contractor you don't even have to ask the government for money. They just get their own checkbooks and have at it.

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  20. Re:Why Doesn't the DoD Roll their Own? by cavreader · · Score: 2

    What's wrong with that? The government is limited on how much they can spend on individuals. However, the expense of using highly expensive 3rd part non-governmental companies does not violate the government pay scale. The military is a prime example. Their reliance on advanced technology forces them to use non-governmental and non-military resources to develop. implement, and operate their systems.

  21. DOD did not APRROVE by fluffy99 · · Score: 2

    The reality is that DOD has issued a Secure Technical Implementation Guide (STIG) that must be followed if you are trying to get a Designated Approving Authority (DAA) to issue an Approval To Operate (ATO). Actually implementing a secure architecture and getting approval for sensitive unclass, much less classified is a whole different issue.

    I guarantee that approval means the user will not have Android market access and will not be able to arbitrarily install applications. Depending on the setup, an approved android phone may very well have less capability than a Blackberry.

  22. Google is unstoppable by ptduran · · Score: 1

    That was a great move...Google is unstoppable...

  23. CarrierIQ by Monoman · · Score: 1

    Did the approved phones include CarrierIQ? Perhaps it is required by the government :-)

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  24. Such a bad article by Drakino · · Score: 1

    Lets see what the article says...

    Why the DoD chose Android? The reason was simple: open source.

    This seems to say that there was only one reason, and it's due to the open source nature of Android. If this was the only reason, why did they also continue to support Blackberry?

    Using Apple's iPhone or iOS by government officials is a risk, especially when used by non-American officials. Apple tracks your movement through the built-in GPS chips.

    (They linked to an old Ars article born in the hype of locationgate)
    And yep, so does Android. And Windows Phone 7, and Blackberry, and Symbian, and any other AGPS system. Locationgate was a big deal only because people made it so. The "app" that was written to show the problem didn't actually plot the correct data, it "obscured it to protect people". The unobscured data would have shown it was simply the locations of cell towers and wifi spots, not where the phone was. Buy hey, why let facts that have been well known for over a year get in the way of posting a sensationalized story a year+ down the road.

    *sigh*

    We need a Jon Stewart of the tech world to at least make fun of these types of horribly inaccurate stories to get some entertainment value out of them. And on a side note, it's sad how many people giddily blast Fox News for always being inaccurate and sensational, while also liking the exact type of inaccurate and sensational stories in the tech world.

  25. Re:In fact? ASTOUNDING even myself, see inside by jakartus · · Score: 1

    It is good that you can still remember potentially incorrect facts 10 years later, it is more of an old "Microsoft Windows 2000 Marketing Blitz Fact" than an actual fact IMO

    100M lines of pre-Windows 2000 code here

    I say potentially because "lines of code" isn't a great metric, it is hard to know if its apples to apples language wise etc etc

  26. Re:In fact? ASTOUNDING even myself, see inside by jakartus · · Score: 1

    The article states the switch has 100M lines of code, the switch was existence before Windows 2000. 100 million > 30 million. That is the point I was trying to make.