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HTC Unlocks Bootloader For All of Its Devices

An anonymous reader writes "HTCDEV announced today: 'HTC is committed to listening to users and delivering customer satisfaction. We plan on releasing the updates that will allow you to unlock your bootloader in the coming months.' However, they do note this: 'It is our responsibility to caution you that not all claims resulting or caused by or from the unlocking of the bootloader may be covered under warranty,' and this: 'We strongly suggest that you do not unlock the bootloader unless you are confident that you understand the risks involved.' This looks like a new year gift to some."

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  1. This is good news! by americamatrix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Congrats to HTC for actually knowing what their customers want and giving it to them.

    Hopefully some other companies follow suit as well!


    -americamatrix

    1. Re:This is good news! by bennomatic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If other companies don't follow suit, this is a huge differentiator for HTC. Caveats aside, this will make it easier for their customers to reap the same advantages of updates that iPhone owners have had for a couple of generations. Of course, it's the same disadvantages, too. Most 3GS owners, for example, would suggest that their device's support of iOS 5 is, well, limited. Upgrading an old device to ICS may yield a similar ratio of unhappy people.

      Of course, they can always downgrade...

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    2. Re:This is good news! by Severus+Snape · · Score: 2

      What their customers want (I am one) is software updates; fast with support of 2 years for top tier devices. This is a cop out, anybody interested in unlocking their bootloader can and has done without any help from HTC.

    3. Re:This is good news! by Truekaiser · · Score: 1

      except it's only for devices after September 2011. if you have a htc device that was released before then.. your sol.

    4. Re:This is good news! by jellomizer · · Score: 1, Troll

      So you unlocked your phone and got it an an unusable level. Well that isn't under warranty but we will sell you a new phone at full price to make it up to you.
      By the way we will work on locking down our original settings so you will feel even more motivated to need to unlock your phone.

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    5. Re:This is good news! by metamatic · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm another person with an HTC phone. What I really want from my next phone is Android without Sense UI crapping it up. Yes, I could get an HTC phone and put CyanogenMod on it, but I'd rather support manufacturers who give me what I really want without having to invalidate my warranty and mess with firmware.

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    6. Re:This is good news! by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've always been happy with HTC and took it as a given that I'd have to find some way to unlock the bootloader on my own (thank you, XDA!). I figured that if a company ever trusted me enough to give me that kind of access on a competitive product I'd purchase my next phone through them. I don't think this will mean a whole lot more business for HTC, but it will make the existing ones much happier.

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    7. Re:This is good news! by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      except that all of the devices before september 2011 were already unlockable...thus you are not sol.

    8. Re:This is good news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Dude what? This is HTC copying what Sony Ericsson did months ago:

      http://unlockbootloader.sonyericsson.com/

      They even went further and released an ICS alpha build to the dev community before christmas!

      http://developer.sonyericsson.com/wp/2011/12/15/ice-cream-sandwich-alpha-rom-available-for-unlocked-xperia-phones/

    9. Re:This is good news! by Baloroth · · Score: 1

      Well, so far. Their site says they are working on earlier models ATM. Whether that extends to before 2011 devices or just before September 2011 devices is slightly unclear.

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    10. Re:This is good news! by compro01 · · Score: 1

      AFAICT:

      ALL post-September devices are unlockable.

      Some (the ones they list and a couple more) pre-September devices are unlockable, with possibly more becoming unlockable in the coming months.

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    11. Re:This is good news! by PixetaledPikachu · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm another person with an HTC phone. What I really want from my next phone is Android without Sense UI crapping it up. Yes, I could get an HTC phone and put CyanogenMod on it, but I'd rather support manufacturers who give me what I really want without having to invalidate my warranty and mess with firmware.

      But of course you can! Buy one of the nexus series phone, and you'll get the pure android experience and direct support from google for software updates. As for me, I recently switched from HTC Desire Z (which got stolen) to Nexus S, and I'm already missing the text reflow on the built in browser, pinch to switch browser window, the ability to force the phone to use 3G only (you need to enter certain code to get to that option on a plain android), HTC IME keyboard, and lots of other tweaks from HTC.

    12. Re:This is good news! by linuxwolf69 · · Score: 1

      I actually went with the Galaxy Nexus because of the unlockability and updateability.

    13. Re:This is good news! by speculatrix · · Score: 2

      maybe what you want is G-Lite

    14. Re:This is good news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. At least the GSM version of the HTC Wildfire S has never been unlocked, except through some 3rd party hardware hack called the "XTC Clip" that seems to emulate a factory testbench SIM to get around the internal flash lock.

      If you own a WFS (pretty good quality for its low price, really), it looks like you are still sol.

    15. Re:This is good news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      See, while I agree Sony did a cool thing with the Android issue...does it really negate all those douchey things they've done for years?

      They locked down the playstation so no more Linux.

      Every damn device they release uses their obnoxious memory card. It might be superior to the others it might not, but the difference is, it isn't standard. It's been around for a decade and still isn't standard. And it's expensive.

      They got hacked and basically gave no fucks.

      So I might buy an Ericson if faced with a choice, but I would probably buy the HTC. Just sayin'...

    16. Re:This is good news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And we all know what happens to Sony's independent dev communities...

    17. Re:This is good news! by Truekaiser · · Score: 1

      nope, that is not correct. only a few devices are after finding exploit holes in android.

    18. Re:This is good news! by newcastlejon · · Score: 4, Informative

      SonyEricsson are not Sony, in the same way that SCEE aren't SME either. Yes, the whole brand has been tainted, but it's not necessarily because of anything the mobile phone guys did.

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    19. Re:This is good news! by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Informative

      "They got hacked and basically gave no fucks."

      Not true. They took countermeasures to protect against such an event occuring again. Specifically, they updated the PSN licence agreement to forbid users from bringing class-action lawsuits.

    20. Re:This is good news! by SighKoPath · · Score: 1
    21. Re:This is good news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was true until a few months ago. Now SE is Sony.

    22. Re:This is good news! by syockit · · Score: 1
      to requote parent:

      in the same way that SCEE aren't SME either.

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    23. Re:This is good news! by newcastlejon · · Score: 2

      Yes, I did actually know that Sony had bought Ericsson's stake in the venture, which is why I said this:

      in the same way that SCEE aren't SME either.

      All those hijinks that SCEE pulled with the PS3 and the rootkit-infested CDs that came from SME had nothing to do with with the guys happily sat way over in the corner making phones. There's bound to be a little overlap between SE and SME especially when it comes to the so-called Walkman phones, but as I said Sony's disgrace isn't a result of something that the people at SE have done.

      FWIW I didn't buy SE phones before and I certainly won't now. Before it was because I didn't care to use MS (that and I "upgraded" from a T68M to a T68i and saw the way the wind was blowing), but now it's because I won't have anything with Sony written on it. It's hard luck for the guys who had no part in it, but that's life.

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    24. Re:This is good news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      reap the same advantages of updates that iPhone owners have had for a couple of generations.

      This actually goes a giant step farther than that. A device with an unlocked bootloader doesn't even have Android installed on it at all. This opens the door to webOS and Linux at the very least. Not to mention that with the plethora of custom ROMs, you aren't stuck with just the default like you are with iOS.

    25. Re:This is good news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The reason I buy HTC phone is Sense

    26. Re:This is good news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      the ability to force the phone to use 3G only (you need to enter certain code to get to that option on a plain android)

      What code are you refering to? There is an check box option on the Nexus S to turn off 4G just like you can turn off wireless, BT, airplane mode etc..

    27. Re:This is good news! by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      have you looked at the list from htcdev? I'm sure there may be a couple, but the list is pretty big.

    28. Re:This is good news! by director_mr · · Score: 1

      Just install Launcher Pro Plus, and you won't have to deal with the Sense UI anymore. I did it on my HTC Sensation. It works great and runs a bit quicker now. This is the silliest reason ever to avoid buying HTC phones, as you can choose to not use the Sense UI anytime you want to switch to something else.

    29. Re:This is good news! by Calos · · Score: 1

      anybody interested in unlocking their bootloader can and has done without any help from HTC.

      Absolutely wrong. Their (and others') devices have become increasingly locked down. A few of HTC's newest phones (e.g. the Vigor/Rezound) have not had any progress in unlocking or getting S-OFF despite a good bit of effort. Read around if you're interested, HTC locked these newer devices down harder than they ever have.

      That's not to say they'd never have been unlocked, but it's been getting harder and taking longer. Combine that with being released near to the Nexus, and developer support to cracking it diminishes. Now, HTC does it easily for anyone interested.

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    30. Re:This is good news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *#*#4636#*#*

    31. Re:This is good news! by aztracker1 · · Score: 2

      Except being owned by the same umbrella company that *IS* a big media conglomerate... as if none of their technology decisions have been driven by the parent company in favor of the Media side of things.

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    32. Re:This is good news! by Daniel+Phillips · · Score: 1

      I guess Motorola will follow suit.

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    33. Re:This is good news! by SighKoPath · · Score: 1

      Ahh, righto. My acronym-fu is weak today.

    34. Re:This is good news! by artson · · Score: 1

      "nope, that is not correct. only a few devices are after finding exploit holes in android."

      Can we please have a mod tag of

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    35. Re:This is good news! by PixetaledPikachu · · Score: 2

      the ability to force the phone to use 3G only (you need to enter certain code to get to that option on a plain android)

      What code are you refering to? There is an check box option on the Nexus S to turn off 4G just like you can turn off wireless, BT, airplane mode etc..

      I'm on GSM network. On the DZ you can switch between GSM(Edge, 2G)/WCDMA(HSDPA, 3G) auto switch, GSM only, WCDMA only, or turn off mobile data completely. On vanilla android you can only switch between WCDMA/GSM, lock it to 2G, or tun off mobile data. Option for forcing the phone to stick on WCDMA can be accessed via hidden menu called "Phone info". To get to the "phone info" menu, either type "*#*#4636#*#*" or create the shortcut using app such as Any Cut

    36. Re:This is good news! by mikkelm · · Score: 1

      Not incredibly familiar with Android, but does an unlocked bootloader not mean that you'll be able to load up a stock, vanilla OS, or at least be able to reach a state where you can disable the Sense UI?

    37. Re:This is good news! by initialE · · Score: 2

      The moment their masters find out what they gave away instead of selling (it doesn't take a lot of persuasion if you know the correct marketing speak) you're going to see a lot of corporate turnover. That's why, even though you're not Sony, as long as you have to answer to them, the taint will get to your product sooner or later. And that's a good reason to avoid buying anything attached to their brand.

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    38. Re:This is good news! by Severus+Snape · · Score: 1

      In that case, you bought the wrong phone. What you should have bought is a Nexus. HTC will still be voiding your warranty for using their unlocker.

    39. Re:This is good news! by Severus+Snape · · Score: 1

      I was more referring to devices before HTC decided they would give people a method to unlock their bootloaders. However, they said all devices since September will be supported, that includes the Vigor. I think it's safe to presume HTC will include support for it soon enough, it's only been on sale like 6 weeks? If they are going to provide a method themselves, they can make it as hard as they want for any 3rd party to do it. Even call it a bit of fun for their engineers.

    40. Re:This is good news! by metamatic · · Score: 1

      Yes. I eventually put CyanogenMod on my HTC phone. It was like getting a new device, it was so much faster and more reliable. Hence I'm planning on a Nexus for my next phone.

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    41. Re:This is good news! by stephanruby · · Score: 2

      Caveats aside, this will make it easier for their customers to reap the same advantages of updates that iPhone owners have had for a couple of generations.

      I hope not.

      If Android tried to match the iOS development cycle in speed, we'd all still be on Android 2.0.1.

      That's not a good analogy.

    42. Re:This is good news! by msobkow · · Score: 1

      I like the idea of them officially enabling unlocking their phones. They really do stand at polar opposites to the Apple walled garden. No wonder the two companies are battling so fiercely -- they completely disagree with each other's business models.

      But don't forget Sony was once the darling of the tech world for letting you run Linux on a PS/3.

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    43. Re:This is good news! by lewiscr · · Score: 1

      FYI, there is a package for the HTC Keyboard floating around. It's an older build (it doesn't have any of the Swype features), but it was better that the stock keyboard.

      For now, I'm using Swype. I like the HTC layout better, but the swiping feature outweighs the layout problems. If I had my druthers, I have HTC IME w/ Swype... like a stock HTC Sense install. :-/

    44. Re:This is good news! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Sony is being quite clever here, as are HTC. While most people won't make use of this facility it will certainly generate a lot of good publicity. There is actually quite a lot of demand for things like Cyanogen, you only have to look at the number of phones being sold with it on eBay to see that. Because of locked bootloaders it can be hard to install but that is no longer the case of HTC and SonyEricson.

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  2. In other words, we hate updating software by blahbooboo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Like most hardware manufacturers, they are trying to get out of updating and maintaining software since it's a loss for them. Unlocking lets the whiners who notice or care about updates go play and leave HTC alone to abandon the handsets after ~12 months post release. It's the real challenge Android has versus WebOs, Windows Phone, and iOS. (Yes, I know get a Nexus, but Google abandoned their first phone already too)

    1. Re:In other words, we hate updating software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Google didn't "abandon" the Nexus One. The specs just aren't good enough for the current OS releases.

    2. Re:In other words, we hate updating software by InterestingFella · · Score: 2

      And what exactly is the limiting factor? What new features of Android limits the release of new versions to the device? There isn't one. The OS haven't changed that much the features wouldn't run on older phones.

    3. Re:In other words, we hate updating software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. Running Gingerbread here on a HTC Magic without a hitch.

    4. Re:In other words, we hate updating software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ICS is being ported to the HTC Eris as we speak. The alpha looks promising. If the Eris can do ICS, anything can.

    5. Re:In other words, we hate updating software by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      Storage space, mainly. The Nexus One only have 512MB. Installing on SD card wouldn't be convenient.

    6. Re:In other words, we hate updating software by Vairon · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I put ICS on a Samsung Fascinate I owned and the phone seems faster and more responsive than it was with Froyo or Gingerbread.

    7. Re:In other words, we hate updating software by oakgrove · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Like most hardware manufacturers, they are trying to get out of updating and maintaining software since it's a loss for them.

      So, you're saying HTC is using this as an excuse to not update their software? Last I checked if an OEM doesn't want to update, they just don't. They don't need to throw any bones. You're reading way too much into this.

      Unlocking lets the whiners who notice or care about updates go play and leave HTC alone to abandon the handsets after ~12 months post release.

      So people that want to use their devices with their own software are "whiners" now? I thought they were paying enthusiastic customers who might or might not have a trusted opinion their less tech savvy friends and family might be relying on to make future smart phone purchases.

      It's the real challenge Android has versus WebOs, Windows Phone, and iOS.

      Normal people don't care about updates or unlocked boot loaders. Do a poll of the next 100 Android users you see and see how many of them even know what version of Android they are on and if there is a newer version than what they have. You will find that the vast majority don't know and will be more annoyed by the question than anything else because they just don't care. Updated competitor handsets is not what Android has to worry about. Android has the formula down pat. Give the customer the features they want at the price they are willing to pay. That's it. In that arena, only windows phone has a hope of competing in any time soon if they can get the price of the handsets down with some cheap SOCs. Until that happens, Android will reign supreme as it has for a while now and the dominance will only accelerate because the formula ain't changing anytime soon.

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    8. Re:In other words, we hate updating software by mounthood · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Like most hardware manufacturers, they are trying to get out of updating and maintaining software since it's a loss for them. Unlocking lets the whiners who notice or care about updates go play and leave HTC alone to abandon the handsets after ~12 months post release.

      Divide and conquer: complain when it's locked; complain when it's unlocked. If their update process is the problem, why are you complaining about unlocking the boot loader, which lets you update when you want? Your problem isn't fixed by this change, so you're complaining about this change?

      I want to *own* and control the hardware I buy. Unlocking is about more then just an update schedule.

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    9. Re:In other words, we hate updating software by Caratted · · Score: 1

      If Google has abandoned the G1, Apple abandoned the first iPhone first.

    10. Re:In other words, we hate updating software by Yetihehe · · Score: 2

      USB Host mode (you could connect some usb h/w to your phone). Not every older phone supports it and new software may not help if usb chip doesn't support this. That is the case in my Samsung Galaxy 551.

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    11. Re:In other words, we hate updating software by blahbooboo · · Score: 1

      If Google has abandoned the G1, Apple abandoned the first iPhone first.

      G1 isn't a Nexus phone.

    12. Re:In other words, we hate updating software by bigsexyjoe · · Score: 1

      Last I checked if an OEM doesn't want to update, they just don't. They don't need to throw any bones. You're reading way too much into this.

      They need to throw bones to keep their customers happy. If they lock the phone and disallow updates, tech enthusiasts are infuriated. If you update the phones and there are problems everyone is mad.

      If you let them unlock their phones, tech enthusiasts are thrilled AND HTC has saved themselves a lot of trouble.

      So people that want to use their devices with their own software are "whiners" now?

      I think you are a whiner.

      Normal people don't care about updates or unlocked boot loaders.

      Now you are just arguing against yourself. HTC doesn't have to do updates so much anymore, that's the point.

    13. Re:In other words, we hate updating software by Imagix · · Score: 2

      Installing on SD card wouldn't be convenient.

      What's your point? I wouldn't have a problem installing on the SD card that came with the phone. Heck, it's never _left_ the phone, might as well be welded to the mainboard.

    14. Re:In other words, we hate updating software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hardware video acceleration.

    15. Re:In other words, we hate updating software by swb · · Score: 2

      I'd agree that handsets need a longer lifespan, but it seems like the handset hardware development moves pretty fast and the software seems to follow, using up the capabilities of the new hardware that I'm not sure what the workaround for this is outside of totally remaking handset software so that its modular enough to jettison high-performance features to run on older hardware.

      My sense is that it's kind of a fact of life in the smartphone world that whatever you have now is kind of obsolete 12-18 months later, at least if you expect all the features for the current OS release to work on older hardware.

    16. Re:In other words, we hate updating software by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Why would USB host be a requirement for ICS?

    17. Re:In other words, we hate updating software by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      Last I checked if an OEM doesn't want to update, they just don't.

      And then they get a lot of criticism from a very small percentage of the user base. This move costs them very little and allows them to all but eliminate the criticism. And still not pay for updating Android.

      I wonder what Netflix will do.

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    18. Re:In other words, we hate updating software by AdamJS · · Score: 2

      Actually, they did abandon it. The day before they said (officially) that the N1 wouldn't be getting the update, was one in which they STILL touted the "If it supports X, it will be able to use ICS" and "of COURSE the Nexus One will be getting the update!" line.

      And then there's the whole redirection with HTC (go to him! No, go to him!) regarding customer support, even with actual Android issues.

    19. Re:In other words, we hate updating software by Yetihehe · · Score: 1

      No idea, but I've looked into api and this is one example of functionality required by newer versions of android.

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    20. Re:In other words, we hate updating software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd have to remove the SD card and put it in a reader whenever you wanted to access it with a computer. Or boot the phone to a bootloader that can act as a reader, cause mounting it to the computer would unmount it from the phone and the phone needs the OS.

    21. Re:In other words, we hate updating software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      everybody is sherlock holmes now.

      indeed.

    22. Re:In other words, we hate updating software by hansamurai · · Score: 2

      What's Netflix have to do with anything? Their app runs fine on my Evo 4g with Cyanogenmod 7.

    23. Re:In other words, we hate updating software by InterestingFella · · Score: 1, Interesting

      That seems more like problem with Android. Why can't Android act as middleman providing access to the SD card, just like it does to the main memory already?

    24. Re:In other words, we hate updating software by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      What's Netflix have to do with anything? Their app runs fine on my Evo 4g with Cyanogenmod 7.

      Netflix won't stream HD content to devices that don't have a locked bootloader (see the stories about the recent B&N tablet). The HD streams have much fewer blocking artifacts, not just higher resolution. HTC makes some tablets that could use this.

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    25. Re:In other words, we hate updating software by evilviper · · Score: 1

      I'd agree that handsets need a longer lifespan, but it seems like the handset hardware development moves pretty fast and the software seems to follow,

      I don't know where this idea comes from. There haven't been any big thing that's changed in (high-end) Android phones in the past 2 years. There are minor improvements: dual-core chips are starting to be introduced, front-facing webcams are more common, and improved screens loom on the horizon, but all of the above are only minor improvements. Same 32GB max microSDHC card slot, same capacitive multi-touch screen. Same battery life. Same GPS/accelerometer/compass, same light sensor and proximity sensor. Same power button and volume control. Even the amount of RAM is generally unchanged in the past couple years.

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    26. Re:In other words, we hate updating software by chrb · · Score: 2

      Every manufacturer abandons old phones. There is no phone that will get manufacturer supported updates forever (I will be very surprised if MS is still supporting updates for all of the existing WP phones in even 5 years). Once you accept that fact, the question becomes: how long do you personally require updates for? If you actually do require updates beyond the manufacturer's support period, then you will need to rely on community software, and so far only the Android community is doing that. If you don't require updates beyond the manufacturer's support period, then you can rely on that.

    27. Re:In other words, we hate updating software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They also abandoned Nexus One, if that makes you happy.

    28. Re:In other words, we hate updating software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then they get a lot of criticism from a very small percentage of the user base. This move costs them very little and allows them to all but eliminate the criticism. And still not pay for updating Android.

      So, what the fuck is your point, dude? Would you be happier if they didn't unlock the boot loaders? Damn, man, talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth. No wonder companies completely ignore the geek contingent. If they play ball, they get crucified, if they don't, same fucking thing. If you don't like it, why don't you go buy a phone from somebody else, asshole?

      What the fuck is Netflix going to do? Not piss off their subscribers anymore. What do you think?

    29. Re:In other words, we hate updating software by CodeReign · · Score: 1

      That seems more like problem with Android. Why can't Android act as middleman providing access to the SD card, just like it does to the main memory already?

      It's not, the parent comment fails to take into account the fact that you can partition an sdcard. The real limiting factor is the size, and you could install it to the sdcard, but it'd be fucking slow. Latency is very noticeable in a sdcard write.

      Also ICS doesn't unmount the sdcard anymore it acts as a media device and allows safe file transfers that is clumsy under underpowered on all operating systems. I found this to be a huge disapointment because it doesn't work well for linux and windows just borks the fucking think (copy paste doesn't even work, think windows 98 built in zip file handles)

    30. Re:In other words, we hate updating software by swb · · Score: 1

      Well, isn't adding a dual-core CPU something like doubling CPU power? The kind of thing that OS an App enhancements would take advantage of and the lack of which on older handsets would make the system sluggish?

    31. Re:In other words, we hate updating software by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      SD card is formatted using FAT32, which isn't great. That can be changed of course but then the user will lose everything on it. Also, some users would be stupid enough to remove their SD card and to then complain that the phone isn't booting any more.

    32. Re:In other words, we hate updating software by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Well, isn't adding a dual-core CPU something like doubling CPU power?

      No, definitely not. At best you get slightly faster multitasking... May be useful in the case of, eg. running Winamp in the background as you use your phone for other things, but I wouldn't expect to see a noticeable single application speed-up at all.

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  3. @Motorola - hope you're paying attention! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hopefully Motorola will also be "committed to listening to users and delivering customer satisfaction" and do the same.

    1. Re:@Motorola - hope you're paying attention! by symbolset · · Score: 1

      Moto will be along presently.

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    2. Re:@Motorola - hope you're paying attention! by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      Motorola?
      Come now. Are they not the ones who have an encrypted booloader to make it more difficult to unlock than HTC or Samsung?
      They make it as difficult as possible. The other companies made it easy but just not official.
       

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    3. Re:@Motorola - hope you're paying attention! by evilRhino · · Score: 1

      But they're owned by Google now.

    4. Re:@Motorola - hope you're paying attention! by GenePoolFairy · · Score: 1

      Which will not care about legacy devices (Droid, Defy, etc).

  4. Let's hope this becomes a trend by Mithent · · Score: 2

    Let's hope that other manufacturers also do this. (Right now, I'm looking at you, Asus, though I'm sure my gaze will wander...)

    1. Re:Let's hope this becomes a trend by Microlith · · Score: 2

      I know, let's hope us having control over our own hardware becomes a trend, rather than the obvious reality it should always have been.

  5. What about WP7? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No Love for my HTC Mozart WP7? et tu HTC?

    1. Re:What about WP7? by Majik+Sheff · · Score: 1

      Nor my Incredible 2. I guess I'll have to unlock it the old-fashioned way once the warranty is up.

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  6. All devices? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That includes Windows Phone devices too? Or this is one more example of /. "journalism"?

    1. Re:All devices? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      What's a "Windows Phone"?

    2. Re:All devices? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Better point.

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    3. Re:All devices? by beano311 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, it doesn't even include all of their Android phones either, take a look at the link. The Amaze 4G, EVO 3D, EVO 4G, EVO Design, EVO View 4G, Flyer, MyTouch Slide 4G, S710d, and Sensation are the only phones listed. Also worth noting is that you have to register a developer's account and send your device ID to HTC to get the proper unlock file back. While allowing users to unlock their phones is great, I'll stick to the traditional method of using third party tools.

    4. Re:All devices? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Good point...

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    5. Re:All devices? by Man+Eating+Duck · · Score: 1

      I'll stick to the traditional method of using third party tools.

      Agreed. I unlocked my Desire after having it for three months, and I did a bit of research before doing it. While there were a few steps involved (Unrevoked and then s-off IIRC, each with a concise list of necessary actions), the process was simple and straight forward. They even had an idiot-proof Linux-based bootable iso which did most of the the work for you. The few cases of real brickings I read about involved bad USB cables or people yanking their phones during bootloader flash, which will always end badly no matter what. Even if the process gave me some moments of unrest while my device was unresponsive for far too long it was recoverable with a hard reboot and repeating a few steps.

      The features I originally wanted was ability to sync clock by NTP, root-enabled ssh server, and buying paid apps from the market since that was not available in my country by normal means. Some time later I switched to CyanogenMod and never looked back.

      About sshd: this is off-topic, but this guy deserves a plug, he helped me out when I couldn't buy from the market: If you need a ssh/scp/sftp-capable server for your phone (works without root if you only need to manipulate userland files), I can heartily recommend quicksshd. Brilliant little app, works over 3G, and the dev was cool enough to mail me an unrestricted apk for sideloading purposes even prior to paying him :)

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    6. Re:All devices? by Atzanteol · · Score: 2

      News that matters. Nobody cares about Windows Phones.

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    7. Re:All devices? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First words in the summary read: "HTCDEV", and Windows Phones obviously don't allow for platform development, since it is a closed platform. Also, there is an Android logo in the story, and the page the article links to specifically talks about Android devices.
      Not sure if you missed all that and are sincerely asking or if you are just trollin ;)

    8. Re:All devices? by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      An operating system with more market share in its respective segment than Linux has on the desktop/laptop. Just because you don't care doesn't mean nobody does, and certainly doesn't excuse outright falsehoods in the title.

      I realize it's fashionable to bash MS and all that, but HTC basically broke into the smrtphone market on WinMo, and while they are mostly known for Android now, they also make some of the better WP7 devices (including the only ones with unlocked bootloaders, although their latest ones appear to be locked).

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    9. Re:All devices? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh come on. This is comparing apples to oranges.

      WinMo/WP7 only has a market share at all, because the poor suckers who bought them haven't even heard of the term "operating system" in their whole life. And there is not ONE SINGLE person who doesn't hate it. In fact, Iâ(TM)ll give you $100 if you can find me ONE person who likes it and can answer the question "What OS does your phone run?".

      While nearly every single person that uses Linux does so because of a conscious decision.

      Also, it is not "fashionable to bash MS". Microsoft was convicted for crimes so often, it's not even funny. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. If it were a person (and this is proof it isn't), that person would be held in jail just because the likeliness of him committing another crime as soon as he gets out is so high, that it is foolish to let him out at all anymore. And in fact, this is exactly what happened: As soon as their government watchdog went away, they started the anti-competitive shit again.
      Microsoft IS a criminal. One you would change the side of the street for. One you would call the cops for, if you so much as saw him.

    10. Re:All devices? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have an HD7 running Mango and a Nexus S running Icecream Sandwich and the only response I have for you is BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...hahaha ha ha hee hee hah aaaha

    11. Re:All devices? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I'll stick to the traditional method of using third party tools.

      By which you mean buffer over-runs and other exploits which on any other system would be considered serious security vulnerabilities?

      Anyway, some phone-software combinations are resistant to such attacks so HTC should be praised for providing a non-exploitative means of freeing a phone.

    12. Re:All devices? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you could just say: In the smartphone market segment, the smartphone OS that sells the least among Android, Symbian, iPhone, Blackberry, Bada and itself. So I guess it's only natural for someone to not have ever seen or care for one. =}

  7. Man up, Motorola by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Now, if only Motorola can do the same, I'd be a lot happier with the Atrix I'm posting this from. (I love the gigantic battery in this thing, but I don't want to be stuck with Gingerbread on a premium phone that's only a few months old).

    1. Re:Man up, Motorola by mlts · · Score: 2

      The Atrix has a method of unlocking the bootloader. The Atrix 2, on the other hand, it is still locked, and only yesterday did a FXZ flash appear, so someone who soft-bricked their device can restore it.

      I wish Motorola would follow suit.

  8. Not ALL devices, also, leaves a record by kav2k · · Score: 5, Informative

    All devices? It only applies to "All HTC Android devices launched after September 2011". Also, tho process means they will have a record of a certain device requesting such unlock, possibly affecting warranty.

    1. Re:Not ALL devices, also, leaves a record by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, tho process means they will have a record of a certain device requesting such unlock, possibly affecting warranty.

      You say that like it's a problem. I don't think it's entirely unreasonable. "What's that? Your phone keeps calling random numbers? That'll be an issue with the dodgy custom ROM you're running. No, we won't fix it for you under your warranty. We won't be held responsible for you installing unapproved software which then goes on to screw up your device. "

      At least this way those who don't care about this sort of thing won't have to care and still get their warranty, but those who want the freedom to meddle and tweak can do so at their own risk. You wouldn't expect Ford to help you with that custom software you'd been running on the built-in computer in your car.

    2. Re:Not ALL devices, also, leaves a record by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Also, tho process means they will have a record of a certain device requesting such unlock, possibly affecting warranty.

      "affecting warranty" seems reasonable to me. If they didn't do this, they'd have devices being returned because users who do not understand the risk try "that bootloader unlocking thing" and cripple or even brick their devices. Remember that these are not PCs -- you don't just buy hardware, you buy a full-fledged system, so the manufacturer cannot just say, "the hardware still works so leave me alone". That's not even considering the very real possibility that hardware gets damaged because of misbehaving software, a rather natural thing outside the "safe haven" that PCs offer to software writers.

      Not affecting warranty would mean to pass this cost on to all users, rather than just those who actually tinker with their system.

      "keeping a record of those users", now that's a different thing. I'd personally favor a method where this is not needed, e.g. have the device record that its bootloader was unlocked. To be honest, I didn't RTFA, so this might actually be the case.

    3. Re:Not ALL devices, also, leaves a record by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're wrong. All devices from September onwards are *already* unlockable. From TFA, "We continue to work on models launched prior to September 2011", ie, they're adding the remaining 2011 models onto that list.

  9. Good job HTC by milbournosphere · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'll be in the market for a phone in the next few months...I'll remember this.

    1. Re:Good job HTC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      FWIW, I wouldn't necessarily exclude Samsung.

      I just bought a Samsung Galaxy S II from T-Mobile (SGH-T989) yesterday... the bootloader wasn't 'unlocked' out of the box, but simply rebooting the phone while holding a key combo provides you with a screen that allows you to unlock the bootloader. They even provide a utility (ODIN) for updating the Recovery as well. The only "catch" I see is that it does track how many times you've flashed which could potentially be used against you. However, there's already a way to reset this counter.

    2. Re:Good job HTC by swanzilla · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'll be in the market for a phone in the next few months...I'll remember this.

      +1 Fascinating

    3. Re:Good job HTC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also remember that they caved into Microsoft and their bogus patent claims against Android.

      Unlocked bootloader or no, I'm not going to pay a Windows tax on a phone.

    4. Re:Good job HTC by drb226 · · Score: 1

      I'll be in the market for a phone in the next few months...I'll remember this.

      +1 Fascinating

      +1 Cool Story Bro

    5. Re:Good job HTC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't they provide Cyanogen with a phone in exchange for him supporting it?

  10. htc does the right thing by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    When HTC actually does this (announcements are one thing, results are another) they've pretty much staked down their position as my top vendor.

    Someone asked if this would also be true for Windows phones. That's an interesting point. Years and years ago, when I had a Windows Mobile 5 Treo, my primary daily fantasy was to be able to flash it with the other operating system Palm was selling at the time because I just couldn't stand the pain anymore. However, flashing a different OS was never practical, and I dumped the phone for a Blackberry soon after.

    And so, people who are issued or otherwise acquire a Windows 7 phone... I wonder if this means they can flash it with Ice Cream Sandwich. That might come in useful.

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  11. Their unlock process calls home by friend+function · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It worries me that their unlock process calls home for an auth token.

    1. Re:Their unlock process calls home by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the bootloader is properly locked, it probably *has* to phone home with the chip ID or serial number to get the required key needed for unlock.

    2. Re:Their unlock process calls home by canajin56 · · Score: 1

      There's no other way to do it. If that worries you, holy shit you should not have a phone, you have NO idea what the carriers know about you! THEY KNOW EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU MAKE A PHONE CALL, AND WHO YOU CALLED.

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    3. Re:Their unlock process calls home by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Of course there is. They just need to include a small chip in the device that contains the original boot loader, and a special key combination can restore the boot loader to factory spec. There would then be no practical way to brick the phone.

    4. Re:Their unlock process calls home by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 1

      Not to be pedantic, but I don't think you know what the word "pedantic" means.

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    5. Re:Their unlock process calls home by Shompol · · Score: 1

      Of course it does, they need to void your warranty, as outlined in TFA. This one is full of win for HTC, and the reason my phone is staying locked.

  12. This is old news and not very good news by hawkeyeMI · · Score: 1

    That page has been up for a while now, this is not a new announcement. Astroturfing much? Also, they still will not do it on some phones, citing carrier restrictions. Note how none of their supported devices are on Verizon.

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    1. Re:This is old news and not very good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like the Rezound which is unlockable now?

      Great retention and comprehension ability there...

    2. Re:This is old news and not very good news by hawkeyeMI · · Score: 1

      I am happy to hear it, however it was still not listed on their site as supported as of the time of my comment, no need to be snide.

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    3. Re:This is old news and not very good news by hawkeyeMI · · Score: 1

      In fact it is still not listed, but as of yesterday I guess there are reports that it is working.

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  13. All Except for by AdamJS · · Score: 1

    The Nexus One. They sort of want people to forget that they made the poor thing.

    1. Re:All Except for by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      I don't know why. It is a great phone. The only complaint I have with the one I have is that it is short on storage, so you have to manager the number of apps installed more than newer phones. Given when it was produced, the amount of storage is reasonable.

      The only problem with the Nexus One was that Google made a bad choice on what their goals were. The Nexus One raised the bar on what an Android phone should be. In that space it was a resounding success. Google should not have looked at large sales as their goal for success.

      I actually hope that this is what Motorola turns into now that Google owns them. Google should make phones that truly show off what Android can do and price the phones just a little higher than what the competition can make a profit at. This way, Google forces any manufacturer that wants to play in the high end to make good as good of phones as they can. It also sets a maximum price that the other manufacturers can charge for these high end phones and still lets them make a profit. Google only needs to break even with Motorola to have it be a resounding success. This tactic will not only ensure that Android is seen in the best light, but by making sure that other phone manufacturers can make a profit and take 90% of the sales, they keep a thriving hardware ecosystem, and get to be the good guys.

  14. Phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Both hardware and software is moving fast, for a few hundred bucks you can get the latest. Quit crying a year is old in phone time. Your contract is 2 years you get a year up to date and a year not. if you guys would quit buying them full price and wait on your contract. They might be forced to make them only one year again.

  15. I doubt it will do much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    | However, due to some of our carrier customers concerns, certain models with specific restrictions may not be able to be unlocked.

    To me, this single statement ruins the whole thing. I think it is great that HTC wants to allow their customers the choice of unlocking their phone, but my bet is on almost all of the carriers (in the US at least) exercising their veto power on this.