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Multiple Sclerosis Damage Washed Away By Stream of Young Blood
FatLittleMonkey writes "A new study on mice suggests damage caused by diseases like Multiple sclerosis, as well as natural aging, can be reversed by an infusion of stem cell rich blood from younger mice. Multiple sclerosis is a chronic inflammatory disease that erodes the fatty myelin sheaths around the axons of the brain and spinal cord, and can result in serious disability. Similar effects occur naturally with aging. From New Scientist: 'White blood cells called macrophages from the young mice gathered at the sites of myelin damage. Macrophages engulf and destroy pathogens and debris, including destroyed myelin. "We know this debris inhibits regeneration, so clearing it up is important," says team member Amy Wagers of Harvard University.' Here's the academic paper's abstract."
I vant to suck you blood!
Need to bathe me in some virgin blood - Ahahahahaha!
Life extension gets at least SOME coverage on Slashdot.
Baptised or unbaptised?
A use for all those annoying neighborhood children.
Someone get Michael J. Fox some new baby blood, stat. He's got a sequel to make.
Knowing people with multiple sclerosis, I can say it is a horrid disease, you gradually lose your functions over time. I believe there is some links to aspartame intake.
http://duckduckgo.com/?q=aspartame+multiple+sclerosis
If we can grow stem cells in test tubes and then periodically inject those, is that morally dubious? Like growing artificial meat? Or we go the Bioshock route and go harvesting...
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Seriously, what a misleading subject. It made me laugh though.
only me who is reminded of the episode of southpark where Christopher Reeves snap babies in half to suck out their spinal cords?
Isn't this basically what Heinlein used in Methuselah' Children back before I was born?
Be funny as hell if we ended up with a Public Health Service providing new blood to everyone when they needed it, as a life-prolonging treatment....
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
A black dude I knew years ago used to call me "young blood". Now I know why.
Professor Farnsworth knew it all along, so did Mr. Burns.
You can't handle the truth.
It is interesting that aspartame was once manufactured by Monsanto. I have no idea why there are so many pages linking aspartame and MS. I don't see how Monsanto would benefit from this either.
Hmm...
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Stop calling me Christopher! That name no longer has meaning to me! Christopher was someone who lived in a wheelchair! Always being pushed around by others! The old Christopher Reeve is dead! From now on, I am... [looks back menacingly] Chris!
It's not hard to find more than one page suggesting it's just a hoax.
http://laurafreberg.com/blog/?p=55
Maybe one day we'll learn the truth (the truth is out there) but something just seems fishy to me. I know someone with MS who drinks lots of diet coke, I don't trust it.
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That should read sugar industry.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_B%C3%A1thory
I could see this becoming a new business in the third world. Selling children's blood would not be far fetched. Look up were all (or most) of the hair for natural wigs and extensions comes from: Little girls in India.
natural aging, can be reversed by an infusion of stem cell rich blood from younger mice.
That explains how Dick Cheney manages to hang on so long; he's been sucking the life force from local villagers at night.
That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
now the biomedical companies that make profits from selling to blood banks are suddenly going to have a whole new revenue stream.
"A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual..."
Sorry, but gray text on gray background is making my eyes bleed.
With the hope of artificial blood, one would expect the future need for blood donations to wane. However, if this new research pans out, the demand for real human blood will probably rise. And with a potential Fountain of Youth, I would suspect a potential black market to form.
Even cheaper, and something that can't be patented by unscrupulous scientists and pharmaceutical companies, but researchers have already found MS can be reversed by changing your diet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLjgBLwH3Wc
Dr. Terry Wahl presented at TEDxIowaCity that eating nutrient dense foods reversed her second stage MS, and they have moved on to trying it is more subjects. But it sure won't get government stem cell money. And the recommendations fly in the face of government dietary recommendations. Not to mention probably more than a few slashdotters habits.
Compare, trials in mice. Versus clinical trials in humans.
So Elspeth Bathory was at least half right.
It looks like, for once, we could actually see a treatment in a relatively short period of time.
I may have been wrong about singling out aspartame, it could be another chemical that is in diet colas.
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You can clone yourself grow "it" to 11 months old, then use the blood to rejuvenate yourself? Wonder what will become of us if we figure that bit of science out what with our situational morals.
natural aging, can be reversed by an infusion of stem cell rich blood from younger mice
Drink young blood, stay young forever...now where have I heard that before?
Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
1. Stalk pretty young girl. The younger the better.
2. Extract her blood with a needle and inject yourself with it while it is still warm.
3. Rinse. Repeat.
4. Solve Rubik's Cube and prepare for eternal life.
Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.
This will spur more twilight movies.... Please help us now.
This should make the 1% happy and those among the 99%, like their fawning Tea Party who protect them, a purpose in life.
Here they kept telling me my basement altar for child sacrifices wasn't useful for anything!
If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can't be taken on its own merits
Freakin' hippies...
So the southpark episode of Christopher Reeve becoming more powerful than you could possibly imagine by cracking open baby fetuses and sucking the stem cells out was TRUE!
I am running out of time. Quit the damn mice and throw some of that shit on me.
Easy enough, right? Just get regular transfusions from someone young. Except nobody is going to advocate blood donations from children. Could you have your own cells harvested, reverted to stem cells, and reintroduced into your bloodstream?
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
The cells of the human body have a limited lifespan. The aging process is basically you running out of replacement cells. Using blood transfusions will help some, but it's the stem cells that will make you young. And stem cells from someone else will trigger your immune system- and using anti-rejection drugs is a horrible way to live. So you want your own rejuvenated stem cells, and getting there should only be one Apollo project equivalent away- so about 10 years if you have the money. The second issue- it will cost. So most medical plans won't cover this. Meaning the rich get to live forever, not you. And if you don't see a problem with that, just think of Bill Gates NOT getting old and retiring. Ever. Having a ruling class of immortals running the earth is how that will end. Rich enough they don't care about you, from another generation so they don't understand you, owning everything and constantly looking for the next google so they can buy it up. This would make a cool plot for a science fiction movie, but in real life it will suck.
The stories about Countess Bathory bathing in virgin blood are considered by most scholars to be slander. Most info we have on her suggests that she was a horrible, vile, cruel human being, but the degree to which she's been made into a monster is just a matter of the story growing in the telling (by her political enemies, mostly).
Turns out that back in the day it was a lot easier to just make up ridiculous shit about people you hated because there was no good way of disseminating evidence to the contrary or of fact-checking. Marie Antoinette's infamous "let them eat cake" is another great example of slanderous rumor-mongering turned "history."
Read Methuselah's Children by Robert A. Heinlein.
Another argument for Cloning.
about those stories of baby sacrifices...
It would be nice if normal cells could be reverted to stem cells, but as far as know that is in the realm of science fiction.
However harvesting stem cells and storing them for later infusion is happening every day.
When my son was born 2 years ago, the placental cord blood was collected and processed (at our cost). The stem cell rich blood is sitting in cold storage in case he needs them at some time in the future. I hope he never does, but it's a small investment compared to losing him to leukemia or some other childhood disease.
Since then we have heard of 2 children among our associates who have childhood leukemia, the best treatment involves cord blood/stem cells infusion, but neither banked the cord blood, so hopefully the chemotherapy will be successful.
In that case, did XP mean Xeroderma Pigmentosum because it couldn't withstand the light of day?
completely off-topic, but XP was an inside joke by the NT team at MS. The project name for the client-server architecture to be based on NT was "Cairo". Win95 and Win98 were the first public releases of the Cairo client-side architecture. It was disappointing to the Windows dev community, because they lacked many of the security and networking features promised by the Cairo team. The gist of the forums comments were, "Where's Cairo?" W2K was the first public release of the server-side Cairo architecture, but it still had only a bare subset of the Cairo features. Again, public commentary was basically, "AD and NTFS is nice, but where's the journaling file system? C'mon MS, give us Cairo." So, the Cairo team responded, and gave the world XP. X is the greek letter chi, and P is the greek letter rho -- Chi-Rho, or Cairo.
Looks like she did know what she was doing after all.
It would look kind of like this: Vampire Hunter D.
If only I could find a unicorn!
Sorry, but this is anecdotal bullshit. I hope nobody is mislead by this charlatan.
I have MS and of course I would love to see this cured but this procedure is not acceptable.Not all people go along with this stem cell thing and I am one of them.For those people who do,that is their choice.I also am an ordained minister and on the point of living forever,this is simply not possible since man has inherited sin and the wages of sin is death.Not meant to start a debate but the above statement is simply a fact and above that statement is my opinion.
"Knowing people with multiple sclerosis, I can say it is a horrid disease, you gradually lose your functions over time. I believe there is some links to aspartame intake."
I would mod you back up, but then I could not reply. Hope this can help the people you know:
"Doctor Reverses MS in 9 Months by Eating These Foods "
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/12/23/overcoming-multiple-sclerosis-through-diet.aspx
There is a mention of avoiding aspartame there (I don't know how big a part of that it is), but there is also getting enough vitamin D, getting Omega 3s, getting enough iodine, eating lots of fruits and vegetables, and more... Those for sure could make a difference for many people eating the Standard American Diet and avoiding the sun.
The website of that doctor in the video who cured herself by eating better:
http://www.terrywahls.com/
More health links by me:
http://www.changemakers.com/discussions/discussion-493#comment-38823
Much chronic disease in the USA will yield to dietary interventions and vitamin D (see Dr. Joel Fuhrman's website, too, and Dr. John Cannell's).
Hope those people you know can benefit from this.
A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
http://www.terrywahls.com/
"In 2003 Terry Wahls, M.D., was diagnosed with secondary progressive multiple sclerosis and soon became dependent upon a tilt-recline wheelchair. After developing and using the Wahls Protocol, she is now able to walk through the hospital and commute to work by bicycle. She now uses intensive directed nutrition in her primary care and traumatic brain injury clinics. Dr. Wahls is the lead scientist in a clinical trial testing her protocol in others with progressive MS. "
Also:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/12/23/overcoming-multiple-sclerosis-through-diet.aspx
Her work was done In Iowa, so maybe a little better then Transylvania? :-)
See also my other comment to this article mentioning Dr. Joel Fuhrman and Dr. John Cannell; with links here:
http://www.changemakers.com/discussions/discussion-493#comment-38823
Perhaps there is some nutrients and vitamin D and such in the blood of young creatures? But you can get it from vegetables, sunlight, and other things instead of blood...
From Dr. Wahls' site:
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I am a clinical professor of medicine at the University of Iowa Carver College of Medicine in Iowa City, Iowa, U.S.A., where I teach internal medicine residents in their primary care clinics. I also do clinical research and have published over 60 peer-reviewed scientific abstracts, posters and papers.
In addition to being a doctor, I am also a patient with a chronic, progressive disease. I was diagnosed with relapsing remitting multiple sclerosis in 2000, just as I began working for the University. By 2003 I had transitioned to secondary progressive multiple sclerosis. I underwent chemotherapy in an attempt to slow the disease and began using a tilt-recline wheelchair because of weakness in my back muscles. It was clear: eventually I would become bedridden by my disease. I wanted to forestall that fate asmy long as possible.
Because of my academic medical training, I know that research in animal models of disease is often 20 or 30 years ahead of clinical practice. Hoping to find something to arrest my descent into becoming bedridden, I used PubMed.gov to begin searching the scientific articles about the latest multiple sclerosis research. Night after night, I relearned biochemistry, cellular physiology, and neuroimmunology to understand the articles. Unfortunately, most of the studies were testing drugs that were years away from FDA approval. Then it occurred to me to search for vitamins and supplements that helped any kind of progressive brain disorder. Slowly I created a list of nutrients important to brain health and began taking them as supplements. The steepness of my decline slowed, for which I was grateful, but I still was declining.
In the fall of 2007, I had an important epiphany. What if I redesigned my diet so that I was getting those important brain nutrients not from supplements but from the foods I ate? It took more time to create this new diet, intensive directed nutrition, which I designed to provide optimal nutrition for my brain. At that time, I also learned about neuromuscular electrical stimulation and convinced my physical therapist to give me a test session. It hurt, a lot, but I also felt euphoric when it was finished, likely because of the endorphins my body released in response to the electrical stimulation. In December 2007, I began my intensive directed nutrition along with a program of progressive exercise, electrical stimulation, and daily meditation. The results stunned my physician, my family and me: within a year, I was able to walk through the hospital without a cane and even complete an 18-mile bicycle tour.
In 2007 I was losing my phone and keys and was afraid my chief of staff would soon be calling me
A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
This is just about the scariest thing I have ever seen. Think through this...
Given what was actually done in the study:
4 needles
2 tubes
Then connecting the blood supply of a old mouse with a young mouse.. And HUGE improvement in the older mouse.
I posit that this physically simple thing is being done, and has been done by wealthy people for decades, maybe even for more than 100 years.
2,000 children go missing in the US each DAY.
Many hundreds of the 2,000 are never found.. each day.
Some rich, famous, or powerful people seem to defy odds with their appearance and longevity.
All they need is a compatible host, perhaps a small child, and a few hours here and there hooked up to them.
Do you really think that people at the top, who start wars, poison water and air,steal food and medical care from the poor, and all around play at EVIL would be above of doing this if it was the fountain of youth?
Do you not think that doing something simple like this would not occurred to others over the decades? Did the Nazi or Japanese
death camp doctors never include this experiment in the long list of horrors they inflected on death camp victims?
And once discovered, it is so very easy to apply.. Just a few standard blood tests, 4 needles and 2 tubes.
I guarantee, if it was NOT done in the past, there is some dictator, drug lord, aging movie star, oil tycoon, or the like running blood tests on some abducted child at this very moment .
If compatible they will be hooked to them before the end of the week.
Once no longer of use they will 'disappear', just like hundreds of children each day in the USA.
Seriously, this is scary to even think about.
So Elizabeth Bathory was right all along?
Nothing wrong with a good diet, and proper D3 levels are already tested by a lot of neurologists and supplements are recommended to maintain them in MS suffers.
But, of course, the authors claims that good food is all you need. It all falls down when I saw the recommendation not to take interferons, which, unlike this diet, has a huge amount of research that shows that it reduces relapses for those with relapsing-remitting MS, and lengthens the periods between replases.
Given how little is understood about MS, it is greatly specious to claim that MS can be cured by a diet. And to assume that the doctors behind this work don't have their own biases and agendas just because they don't toe the "party line" in research seems a bit naive.
Finally, given that MS has periods of remission, how can you claim that MS is reversed vs being in a period of remission? Here, the authors are quite slient on this question as well.
Now the thing about Charlie Sheen and the tiger blood all begins to make sense...
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2603836&cid=38588550
while the richest and most evil are living longer (Cheney, Murdoch, Pickens, etc.).
Anecdotes are not evidence, true. But usually charlatans have some sort of profit angle. Everything she is advocating can be bought at a supermarket. Also, she isn't pushing some sort of vegetarian idology (she recommends organ meat and fish). She isn't selling a diet book or anything.
None of this makes her correct, but I have a hard time seeing how she would qualify as a charlatan, even if she is wrong.