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Aussies Could Use Elephants To Fight Invasive Species

A type of invasive African grass is a major cause of wildfires in Australia. The giant gamba grass is too large for cattle and the native marsupial grazers to eat, but David Bowman, a professor of environmental change biology at the University of Tasmania has a plan. He says that elephants or rhinoceroses could eat the pest grass. "... the only other methods likely to control gamba grass involve using chemicals or physically clearing the land, which would destroy the habitat. Using mega-herbivores may ultimately be more practical and cost-effective, and it would help to conserve animals that are threatened by poaching in their native environments," he said. This plan makes you wonder just how big a Chinese needle snake can grow.

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  1. And in the winter... by Megane · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...the Elephants simply starve to death.

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    1. Re:And in the winter... by Hentes · · Score: 3, Funny

      You mean summer?

    2. Re:And in the winter... by Bill+Currie · · Score: 5, Funny

      Australia has two seasons: summer (August, though for some strange reason, Australians insist on calling it winter) and "I'd rather be in hell" (the rest of the year). Except in Melbourne: all four seasons in one day.

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    3. Re:And in the winter... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2

      Yes there is that problem.

    4. Re:And in the winter... by MrKaos · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Sydney has a freezing winter rain in summer and the air turns into a wall of white water. You get just as wet from the rain as you do from the humidity. The only difference is if you have your sunnies on or not.

      Then someone turns the weather switch and while that toggle switch goes from winter to summer or visa versa the day will be maybe hot maybe dry maybe rain maybe cold, the only difference is it will be that way all day after you've left for work you either carry your jacket and wear your sunnies or you wear your sunnies and carry your jacket. But don't dare open an umbrella or the wind will rip it to pieces or sudden lightning reduce it a hole in the ground with some molten metal and the remains of one of your shoes. Deodourant companies are listed on the commodities market.

      Then winter is so dry that your lips skin and hands dry and crack and you suddenly get two days of summer in winter.

      Except when it's the other way around and it pours the freezing winter rain in winter and summer is so dry that everything everywhere is so flammable that if the reflection of your sunglasses hits the ground at the wrong angle the whole place goes up in flames.

      The fire warning signs read something like (This is not a joke) Normal, High, Dangerous, Extremely dangerous, catastrophic. I almost feel it is appropriate to have them add "We're all gonna die" or "save the children" in case some people don't understand the point.

      Other than that the weather here is wonderful, I'm sure the elephants will have a great time.

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    5. Re:And in the winter... by vgerclover · · Score: 5, Funny

      Skinner: Well, I was wrong. The lizards are a godsend.
      Lisa: But isn't that a bit short-sighted? What happens when we're overrun by lizards?
      Skinner: No problem. We simply release wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes. They'll wipe out the lizards.
      Lisa: But aren't the snakes even worse?
      Skinner: Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous type of gorilla that thrives on snake meat.
      Lisa: But then we're stuck with gorillas!
      Skinner: No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death.

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    6. Re:And in the winter... by petermgreen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Seriously though megafauna are relatively easy to control because they breed slowly and can't really hide. It's the small animals you have to worry about.

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    7. Re:And in the winter... by Pharmboy · · Score: 2

      Does Australia have more snow-covered land than Switzerland

      Switzerland isn't even 16k sq. mi. in area. Australia is 2,941,299 sq. mi. and is 184 TIMES its size. The state of West Virginia probably has more snow covered land than Switzerland. Not sure that is even a valid question, comparing a tiny country to a large continent.

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    8. Re:And in the winter... by Dexter+Herbivore · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Seriously though megafauna are relatively easy to control because they breed slowly and can't really hide. It's the small animals you have to worry about.

      You've obviously never stared down a charging bull elephant. (Not that I have, but it haunts my nightmares and I'm an Australian).

    9. Re:And in the winter... by toygeek · · Score: 2

      This in a country that has actually had Land Sharks.

    10. Re:And in the winter... by plopez · · Score: 2

      NOW there' slow breeding mega-fauna. But evolution is a funny thing. In a new environment something could change all that....

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    11. Re:And in the winter... by icebike · · Score: 2

      You didn't make it clear whether you were replying to the first part of my post and being sarcastic or replying to the second part

      This is slashdot. Making things clear is optional, and usually counterproductive.

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  2. End game by sakdoctor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But who will eat the elephants when they become invasive?

    1. Re:End game by el3mentary · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Elephants breed so slowly their numbers would be incredibly easy to control

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    2. Re:End game by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Eat them, I don't know... but hunt them to extinction should be no problem at all, they're not exactly small and hard to spot. The more problematic bits would be if they've brought microbes with them, upset the balance of nature some other way etc. - it's a gamble with very many variables...

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    3. Re:End game by deniable · · Score: 4, Funny

      Cane toads.

    4. Re:End game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      But who will eat the elephants when they become invasive?

      They plan to sterilize the beasts, and track them with GPS.

      Plan B involves reintroducing the T Rex, as seen on the documentary Jurassic Park.

    5. Re:End game by Chatsubo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well the horrible truth is they'll get poached out much quicker than they can breed. Keeping something like a rhino alive in such close proximity to the east might be a challenge that outweighs the benefits.

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    6. Re:End game by michelcolman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So partly to help conserve these animals, they are going to transfer them from their native habitat and sterilize them?

    7. Re:End game by Inda · · Score: 4, Informative

      I know this thread has been about giggles but one thing seems to have been missed.

      Its been proposed that the elephants are sterilised first.

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    8. Re:End game by admiralranga · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Getting a license for something that can kill an elephant in aus, you make me laugh.

    9. Re:End game by agentgonzo · · Score: 5, Informative

      +5 insightful? Funny I could understand.

      Kruger park has a massive over-population of elephants. It has a carrying-capacity (the number that the land-mass can sustainably support without being detrimental to the ecosystem) of about 8,000 elephants and now has over 20,000 (and still rising) causing major problem (both ecologically and politically as to how to reduce the numbers without resulting to a mass-cull).

      Contraception is not exactly feasible on a large-scale (it's been tried successfully on small reserves such as Makalali) but the problem of finding and contracepting all/most of the animals in the wild and making sure that you've not contracepted the same animal twice in one period (major health issues for the animal) is almost impossible.

    10. Re:End game by Chatsubo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Poachers who care about licenses, you make me laugh.

      I live in Africa, putting a rhino on a piece of land almost transforms it into a war zone. International trade in ivory/rhino horn is a big deal, no mere legal red tape is going to stop these guys. Neither do they mind much if they have to shoot some rangers to get to the animals, and so the arms escalation begins...

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    11. Re:End game by wisty · · Score: 4, Informative

      In Australia, the police and customs are much more effective. It's also really hard to get assault guns, so gangs tend to be massively outgunned by the authorities. We had some locally made "Owen Guns" (WWII carbines) getting made in an illegal factory in 2004; that's how starved our gangs are for hardware. Even the "good" African countries will have trouble, because gangs will be able to smuggle guns and ivory across land boarders to and from the "bad" countries.

    12. Re:End game by Muros · · Score: 2

      If the plan is to have an available breeding stock that does not breed, sterilizing most of the males is a viable strategy.

    13. Re:End game by sycodon · · Score: 5, Funny

      They taste like Bald Eagles, which taste quite a bit like the Spotted Owls.

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    14. Re:End game by jemtallon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But how difficult is it to rent the equipment necessary to dig a spike-filled pit? Riddle me that, mr smart-guy.

      ...yeah. That's what I thought!

      *flexes his mind muscle*

    15. Re:End game by s1lentslayer · · Score: 2

      I seem to remember a certain Park of the Jurassic nature that had all females. "Life will find a way."

    16. Re:End game by jbeaupre · · Score: 4, Funny

      Are elephant germs really that dangerous?

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    17. Re:End game by Dexter+Herbivore · · Score: 2

      Pity that corrupt members of the ADF have been selling arms.

    18. Re:End game by plopez · · Score: 2, Funny

      I prefer "Long Pig". There's lots and plenty of them! The tasiest most tender ones are cubicle workers (esp. IT workers) and truck drivers, neither of which are missed when they disappear. Nice and tender like veal. Stay away from construction workers, too stringy. Besides, I never liked Mexican food.

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  3. I Don't Know Why We Swallowed The Fly by SQL+Error · · Score: 3, Funny

    Perhaps we'll die...

  4. Elephant Proof Fence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    So there was this fence that was supposed to prevent the plague of rabbits from crossing the country. I don't think it worked. I'm having this vision of a future with an Elephant proof fence. Somehow the idea appeals.

    1. Re:Elephant Proof Fence by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      No it didn't.

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    2. Re:Elephant Proof Fence by norpy · · Score: 2

      Yes it did, it just didn't do it completely - and the remaining population has now been selected for resistance.

      It's the exact same problem we have with antibiotics

    3. Re:Elephant Proof Fence by nospam007 · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Yes it did. It didn't do the job perfectly, but the rabbit population has never returned to what it was pre-myxomatosis."

      Exactly, it worked even here in Europe and we had no problems in the first place.
      A french moron wanted to get rid of the rabbits on his property and infected _2_ of them.
      Now all of Europe has almost none left.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myxomatosis

  5. or rabbits, by Zemran · · Score: 4, Funny

    yes rabbits would be a good idea. They are smaller and cuter than elephants and they eat grass as well...

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  6. Gamba Grass was intentionally introduced ... by sirdude · · Score: 5, Informative

    Gamba grass first appeared under cultivation in Queensland in 1942 and trials and plantings in the Northern Territory occurred as early as 1931. It was bred as an improved pasture species and sold by seed merchants. Gamba grass has adapted extremely well to the seasonal droughts, fires and low-nutrient soils of Australia’s savannas.

    From here [PDF].

    1. Re:Gamba Grass was intentionally introduced ... by HBI · · Score: 5, Funny

      FFS who would name a plant something like Andropogon gayanus ?

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  7. And as an added bonus... by Phoenix · · Score: 3, Funny

    The elephants can be used to stomp on the caine toads.

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    1. Re:And as an added bonus... by sirdude · · Score: 3, Funny

      One stomp too many and those Caines will surely turn mutinous.

  8. That really depends... by captainpanic · · Score: 5, Funny

    [...]they're not exactly small and hard to spot. [...]

    If they wear red socks, and hide in a strawberry patch, they're quite hard to spot!

  9. Re:Alternatives? by robbak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You've obviously never been to australia. Hint - it's very big.

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  10. Need more dangerous animals by RogueyWon · · Score: 2

    I thought the whole "Got a problem with invasive species x? Import invasive species y!" schtick had gone wrong so many times over the years that there would be more caution about it now.

    What are they going to import in 30 years time to deal with the plague of elephants? My vote's for genetically modified, cybernetically enhanced fire-breating giant battle-centipedes. What could possibly go wrong?

    Or maybe the attraction is that elephants can actually be extremely dangerous to humans. Australia just doesn't have enough animals like that, right?

    1. Re:Need more dangerous animals by Kierthos · · Score: 5, Informative

      Let's see. The gestation period of an elephant is 21-23 months. The interval between calves is as much as five years. And female elephants generally don't even begin reproducing until they are 12-14 years old.

      I somehow doubt there will be a plague of elephants. What I imagine would happen is a lot of poached elephants.

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    2. Re:Need more dangerous animals by tdelaney · · Score: 5, Funny

      What I imagine would happen is a lot of poached elephants.

      Nah - the traditional method is to barbeque them.

  11. Re:Invasive species by Ol+Biscuitbarrel · · Score: 2

    Are you getting sick and tired of them?

  12. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    OK, since I've posted, I've got a brilliant idea: control the elephants by introducing mice!

  13. Re:how about more people? by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 3, Informative

    Have you been to Australia?

    The majority of people live in big sprawling cities by the coast, for the reason that the rest of the country is an arid desert ...

    Any city built inland would run out of water very quickly .... Imagine Las Vegas, but without a water supply ...

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  14. Re:Why all the bother? by Muad'Dave · · Score: 2

    To quote from the Aus gov't PDF on Gamba grass:

    Gamba grass is tolerant to fire at any time of the year.
    Burning gamba grass in the dry season can be hazardous
    to property, people and livestock due to the high fuel
    loads and height of the plants, which create an extremely
    intense fire.

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  15. Re:Uhh, goats? by pehrs · · Score: 2

    ...I hope you are joking.

    Feral goats are a serious problem in Australia, along with so many other invasive animals and plants.

    A better link to look at would be this one:

    http://www.environment.gov.au/biodiversity/invasive/ferals/index.html

  16. Re:Uhh, goats? by Alicat1194 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I mean, Elephants are f***ing awesome and all, big, giant things that knock over trees when they get mad, but goats are well proven to eat grass and other things (like briers) that most animals won't touch. They handle dry, arid climates well, and provide other useful things like, Milk, Cheese, Meat, and Pelts. If you pick angora goats you get fancy wool from them as well.

    Been there, done that they went feral : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_goats_in_Australia. Though some farmers to make a fair living off mustering the ferals and then selling them for pelts and meat.

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  17. Re:Resources - Water by petermgreen · · Score: 2

    A suggestion for fixing this problem is to open the gates. Come right in. Anyone from a war torn country, middle east, wherever, come on over if you can get yourself here. Only catch: You must spend the first 15 years here in a rural outback town or property and not come within 200km of a city.
    It's thought to be the best way to 'solve' the country shopper / boat people / illegal immigrant problem.

    It seems to me like it would just replace the "illegal immigrant" problem with an "illegal internal migrant" problem. Would you put passport controls at the city gates or something?!

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  18. Re:And then the elephants become the invasive spec by jimbolauski · · Score: 2

    The best example of a large animal being introduced into a new area is the oryx that were introduced into white sands missile range. Having no natural predators due to the thick hide on the back of their neck that the mountain lions can't penetrate easily and their long horns they have had no problem breeding going from 93 in 1977 to over 2,000 today. They put a strain on the natural wildlife, the jackrabbits and mule deer, by eating and drinking the scarce resources limiting their numbers and also hurting the mountain lion population by limiting their food sources. The oryx have flourished and have moved well beyond the missile range so much so that the NM Game and Fish began giving out Landowner permits in an effort to keep them in the missile range which has failed and oryx have moved north to Sevilleta Wildlife Refuge and south all the way to Fort Bliss. Approximately a 100 mile radius around the range with little to stop them from moving further the southwest has a new animal that is here to stay.

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  19. Whales by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

    As pointed out- elephants numbers are easily controlled due to their size. I would like to suggest we one up the elephant suggestion- and go for an even bigger animal- I would suggest the blue whale.

    Yes, I know- technically the blue whale is an aquatic animal- but they can breath air. We could create artificial limbs for them- attack fake legs to their flippers and their tails to allow them to walk on land.

    Since any young born would not be able to move- (hence eat), without human intervention, you wouldn't have to worry about their numbers exploding out of control.

    To me- this seems a near perfect solution. The only problem is that whales don't eat grass- but that's only a minor technicality- and you have to admit whales with artificial tripod limbs crossing the desert of Australia is a site worth one or two minor technical glitches.

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  20. Re:Brilliant. Except.. by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

    Music? Yes

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  21. Re:Wrong by ae1294 · · Score: 2

    ok - let me expain it another way - there is a police district that is assigned three [count-em] THREE police-officers. The geographical size of this district is similar to that of France.

    Yea I saw that documentary Mad Max too...

  22. Re:Which makes one wonder... by The+Mister+Purple · · Score: 2

    The drop bears will slaughter us all!

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  23. For context by Phat_Tony · · Score: 2

    SKINNER
    Well, I was wrong. The lizards are a godsend.

    LISA
    But isn't that a bit short-sighted? What happens when we're overrun by lizards?

    SKINNER
    No problem. We simply unleash wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes. They'll wipe out the lizards.

    LISA
    But aren't the snakes even worse?

    SKINNER
    Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous type of gorilla that thrives on snake meat.

    LISA
    But then we're stuck with gorillas!

    SKINNER
    No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death.

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  24. Re:how about more people? by NoMaster · · Score: 2

    Australia isn't like the US, which is criss-crossed with rivers even in the desert areas.

    The rivers on the east coast, where the population is? Mostly too short/small to even appear on that map.

    The north & north-west? Not desert.

    Pretty much everything west of the Murray-Darling? Desert. The ones marked 51-57 on the map are seasonal, and flow only every few years.

    Much of central-southern NSW, between the coast & the Murray-Darling? Already irrigated through "water [piped] in from all over the region... going over mountains and through valleys". Or, more correctly, "piped through mountains".

    The Murray-Darling itself? It already mostly is "just a trickle by the time it reaches the ocean". Without the 2 dredging machines that run 24/7, the mouth of the river would close up and cut it off from the sea.

    Despite having an area very similar to the 48 contiguous US states, Australia has ~50% more desert area (1,350,000km^2 vs 900,000km^2) and much much much less water.

    So, no, there's not much water in Australia. It's not considered "the driest continent on earth" for no reason...

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