Researchers Create Glass Just 3 Atoms Thick

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Researchers Create Glass Just 3 Atoms Thick

Posted by timothy on Friday February 3, 2012 @02:10AM from the barely-a-glaze dept.

sciencehabit writes "Researchers have created the world's thinnest pane of glass. The glass, made of silicon and oxygen, formed accidentally when the scientists were making graphene, an atom-thick sheet of carbon, on copper-covered quartz. They believe an air leak caused the copper to react with the quartz, which is also made of silicon and oxygen, producing a glass layer with the graphene. The glass is a mere three atoms thick — the minimum thickness of silica glass—which makes it two-dimensional. The team notes that the structure 'strikingly resembles' a diagram drawn by a glass theorist attempting to unravel its structure back in 1932. Such ultra-thin glass could be used in semiconductor or graphene transistors." See Nano Letters for an abstract (and another picture) to the paywalled article.

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Just wait until Apple hear about this by Hieronymus+Howard · 2012-02-03 02:12 · Score: 5, Funny

And in related news, iPad 4 rumored to be just 2mm thick.
1. Re:Just wait until Apple hear about this by jdastrup · 2012-02-03 06:41 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  Next week, Ginsu sues Apple.
  No, it will be Apple that sues Ginsu.
  
  I still get a kick out of how they patented the magnetic connection for their power supplies, when my grandma's deep fryer had that exact same feature 30 years ago
Two-dimensional? by Scutter · 2012-02-03 02:17 · Score: 5, Insightful

The glass is a mere three atoms thick — the minimum thickness of silica glass—which makes it two-dimensional.
It's not two dimensional if it has a measurable thickness, which you stated in that same sentence. Unless you have a different definition of "two dimensional" than the rest of us.

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1. Re:Two-dimensional? by DSS11Q13 · 2012-02-03 02:23 · Score: 5, Funny
  
  Perhaps it just had a bland personality?
2. Re:Two-dimensional? by tungstencoil · 2012-02-03 02:26 · Score: 5, Informative
  
  It's not two dimensional if it has a measurable thickness, which you stated in that same sentence. Unless you have a different definition of "two dimensional" than the rest of us.
  Someone posted that same criticism in the article. Here is someone's reply (again, from the comments). I'm not a chemist or physicist, but what they say sounds reasonable:
  
  Hi Heather - fair enough, it's not 2D as in the mathematical concept, but 2D has a physical meaning as well - the thinnest version of a material. Because the silicon and oxygen atoms don't lay flat, glass needs a minimum of three layers of atoms (two silicon and one oxygen) to form a chemically stable sheet. Inside some of these technically 3D ultrathin materials, the electrons behave like their world is two dimensional.
3. Re:Two-dimensional? by SJHillman · 2012-02-03 02:33 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  I believe they're calling it two dimensional because it's the minimum thickness possible, so for practical purposes, the thickness is equal to a single point. You can argue semantics all you want, but if you were to "travel" on a glass sheet, you would only be able to go along the X axis or Y axis - there is no ability to travel along a Z axis that is only a single point.
4. Re:Two-dimensional? by Scutter · 2012-02-03 02:39 · Score: 2
  
  It's not two dimensional if it has a measurable thickness, which you stated in that same sentence. Unless you have a different definition of "two dimensional" than the rest of us.
  Someone posted that same criticism in the article. Here is someone's reply (again, from the comments). I'm not a chemist or physicist, but what they say sounds reasonable:
  
  Hi Heather - fair enough, it's not 2D as in the mathematical concept, but 2D has a physical meaning as well - the thinnest version of a material. Because the silicon and oxygen atoms don't lay flat, glass needs a minimum of three layers of atoms (two silicon and one oxygen) to form a chemically stable sheet. Inside some of these technically 3D ultrathin materials, the electrons behave like their world is two dimensional.
  Ok, I can accept that.
  
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5. Re:Two-dimensional? by koolguy442 · 2012-02-03 03:17 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  The glass is a mere three atoms thick — the minimum thickness of silica glass—which makes it two-dimensional.
  It's not two dimensional if it has a measurable thickness, which you stated in that same sentence. Unless you have a different definition of "two dimensional" than the rest of us.
  Your question can be answered in two ways. First, in the materials science community, it's common to denote a material or chunk of material that has a very high aspect ratio, for instance very large in one or two dimensions and small in size on the order of the atomic scale in the remaining directions as effectively one- and two-dimensional. In fact, quantum dots are thought of in materials science as generally zero-dimensional, even though they most certainly have more than one atom (and even if they comprised a single atom, the electron cloud extends in three dimensions). So, as far as the materials science and electron microscopy fields are concerned, this is two-dimensional.
  Second, you tend to get your paper published in fancier journals and grab more headlines by having sensational things such as 2D (in this case) or quantum or some such buzzword in your title these days.
6. Re:Two-dimensional? by Artifakt · 2012-02-03 03:20 · Score: 5, Funny
  
  It's two dimensional, in that the graph of the atomic bonds is a flat, 2 dimensional graph. That's not "a different definition ... than the rest of us", that's called context. It's the definition a chemist would normally use. If you're trying to prove your brilliance by pointing out that the whole universe has nothing physical that is infinitely thin, sorry, but we stopped giving away Nobel prizes for that. At least four people basically modded you insightful for pointing out that atoms are not infinitely small - that makes Slashdot clearly three dimensional, because we have something infinitely thick around here.
  
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7. Re:Two-dimensional? by fredrated · 2012-02-03 03:22 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  From a post by the author at TFA:
  "Inside some of these technically 3D ultrathin materials, the electrons behave like their world is two dimensional."
8. Re:Two-dimensional? by koolguy442 · 2012-02-03 03:25 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  The glass is a mere three atoms thick — the minimum thickness of silica glass—which makes it two-dimensional.
  It's not two dimensional if it has a measurable thickness, which you stated in that same sentence. Unless you have a different definition of "two dimensional" than the rest of us.
  Really? Graphene is 0.34 nm thick, and I'm quite certain that is a 2 dimensional material. In terms of graphene it's 3 dimensional after 3 layers. So the measurable thickness argument isn't valid
  Graphene is most certainly not .34 nm thick. What you are quoting is the equilibrium spacing between one graphene sheet and the next in crystalline graphite. The true "thickness" of graphene is hard to gauge, actually. If you take the standard model of quantum mechanics, the carbon atoms within graphene are point particles, and therefore have no thickness. It is reasonable, then, to measure the extent of the electron clouds from the carbon. Since the electron clouds are statistical formulations, they theoretically extend to infinity. However, because I'm a materials scientist and not some fancy physicist with a deep, quantitative understanding of electron orbital theory, I would say a good guess is to say that the radius of the electron cloud around a particular atom is about equal to half the bond length between one carbon and the next. In this case, about 0.071 nm.
  So if I were pressed to give an answer as to the thickness of a graphene sheet, not that it would generally matter in any context I'd think of, I'd call it 0.142 nm thick.
9. Re:Two-dimensional? by littlebigbot · 2012-02-03 03:44 · Score: 2
  
  No real character development.
10. Re:Two-dimensional? by SJHillman · 2012-02-03 04:01 · Score: 2
  
  Yes, atoms have a measurable size and all that, but from a *practical* perspective, it's a single point in thickness. As another posted quoted, the atoms behave as if they're in a two dimensional environment. Mathematical concepts don't always translate well into the physical world, but it helps to think of something as being two dimensional if it behaves as if its truly two dimensional.
11. Re:Two-dimensional? by Onymous+Coward · 2012-02-03 04:29 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  The concept of 2D is usable in more than just a mathematical context. In other situations it just means "planar".
  The reek you're experiencing is a matter of your own perception rather than something objective. If you over-apply your areas of knowledge, you're being a nerd. A thing is "wrong" if it doesn't conform to the systems you know? You're probably just ignorant of other systems.
12. Re:Two-dimensional? by avandesande · 2012-02-03 05:00 · Score: 2
  
  More importantly, it is so thin it is transparent!! ;-)
  
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13. Re:Two-dimensional? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-02-03 05:38 · Score: 2, Funny
  
  The glass could be described as "wooden".
14. Re:Two-dimensional? by Khyber · 2012-02-03 06:41 · Score: 2
  
  http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/525347
  It has a size, pal. (scroll left)
  
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15. Re:Two-dimensional? by treeves · 2012-02-03 07:01 · Score: 2
  
  Topologically, not topographically. Topographically, cows are oval brown spots, but you have to zoom way in to see them.
  
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I hate to break it to them... by Shoten · 2012-02-03 02:26 · Score: 5, Funny

...but I think an old landlord of mine managed to do this, many years ago.

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1. Re:I hate to break it to them... by Prod_Deity · 2012-02-03 02:36 · Score: 2
  
  Wish I had mod points. Looks like we had the same slum lord
Re:OH yay by ackthpt · 2012-02-03 02:26 · Score: 4, Funny

More glass cellphones with easy to break screens and backs!
Easy?!? I've pounded on these things with my finger when they don't .. do .. what .. I .. effing .. want I assume you are wearing metal gauntlets, Sir Lumpy of Oatmealshire.

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Re:Also? by Aladrin · 2012-02-03 02:28 · Score: 3, Informative

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartz "It is made up of a continuous framework of SiO4 silicon–oxygen tetrahedra, with each oxygen being shared between two tetrahedra, giving an overall formula SiO2."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_dioxide "Silica is used primarily in the production of glass for windows, drinking glasses, beverage bottles, and many other uses."
Glass and quartz.

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Serendipity by Anonymous Coward · 2012-02-03 02:28 · Score: 2, Insightful

Serendipity showing its hand in science once again.
This is just great! by Haxagon · 2012-02-03 02:32 · Score: 2

Now I'll have to keep kids from breathing on my windows, much less throwing a baseball through them!
You know what they say... by nairnr · 2012-02-03 02:32 · Score: 2

Those people in atomic glass houses really shouldn't throw anything!
Sucker. by Haxagon · 2012-02-03 02:35 · Score: 3, Funny

I'll be spending my money on the iPad5S, four atoms and a suspended quark thick! Have fun wasting your money!
1. Re:Sucker. by treeves · 2012-02-03 06:56 · Score: 2
  
  iPad X will be three atoms thick, with a protective coating of Higgs bosons on both sides, hand made by people in China with desktop LHCs.
  
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2. Re:Sucker. by kenboldt · 2012-02-03 08:13 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  iPad X will be three atoms thick, with a protective coating of Higgs bosons on both sides, hand made by people in China with desktop LHCs.
  wouldn't they be SHCs?
Re:Are there any practical applications? by SJHillman · 2012-02-03 02:36 · Score: 2

While you post comments, do you read the summary at all? Or do you just read the first few letters and decide to post your thoughts?
"Such ultra-thin glass could be used in semiconductor or graphene transistors."
Re:OH yay by TWX · 2012-02-03 02:46 · Score: 2

I'm thinking that the tract-home builders will start using this new glass for the windows in the cheapass houses they build...

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Re:Are there any practical applications? by mattr · 2012-02-03 02:46 · Score: 4, Insightful

It is said the most amazing discoveries come from a scientist saying "gee that's funny..."
By accidentally producing this very cool new material they have according to the abstract made the first electron microscopy of glass, allowed by this very thin layer being supported by but not bonded to the underlying graphite. And from the amazing picture they took, which amazingly resembles drawings made by a glass theorist 80 years ago, they were able to make calculations showing that the weak van der waals force is what's keeping this thing stable.
It is a totally awesome thing they found and probably gives them whole new ideas about how to grow thin 2d structures. Just a week ago there was another bit of news about awesome 2d ice channels in graphite that open and close to keep helium from going through them. Sounds like there are tons of totally awesome things that are possible in these crenulated 2d realms and graphite is helping us discover them.
Perhaps someone else here can theorize about what it all means.
Re:Also? by Geoffrey.landis · 2012-02-03 02:51 · Score: 2

Glass and quartz.
Glass that consists of nothing other than silicon and oxygen-- chemically known as "silica"-- is referred to as "quartz".
When they say they grew the material in "quartz" tubes, they mean: tubes made of silica glass. (Mineralogists reserve the word for only crystalline silica, but when they say a quartz tube, it's quartz glass, i.e. silica, not the mineral.) When they say that the substrate was "copper-covered quartz" they mean: "copper-covered silica glass". When they say they made glass consisting of two atoms of oxygen and one atom of silicon, they mean: silica glass.
So: they're saying that silica glass is silicon and oxygen, and, also, so is silica glass.

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Re:Also? by Garble+Snarky · 2012-02-03 02:56 · Score: 2

Quartz has a regular crystal structure, glass doesn't.
Re:If it's three atoms thick... by pavon · 2012-02-03 03:00 · Score: 3, Insightful

If I draw a picture on a piece of paper, we call that drawing two-dimensional despite the fact that the graphite and pulp that is formed with have thickness. Likewise, if a crystal only grows along a plane (rather than in three dimensions), then that crystalline structure is two-dimensional, even though the crystal itself is a three dimensional object. This is the same thing, the sheet of glass is three-dimensional, but the structure of the amorphous solid is two-dimensional.
Re:How tall are you? by DrgnDancer · 2012-02-03 03:02 · Score: 2

My wife dropped hers from chest height, (Probably around 4 feet, she's a fairly tall woman) onto a a train track rail. We were fully expecting to have our next stop be the AT&T store, but the phone was completely undamaged. I'm not saying they're indestructible, but they seem study enough for day to day use.

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Quartz Re:Also? by Geoffrey.landis · 2012-02-03 03:15 · Score: 2

"Quartz has a regular crystal structure, glass doesn't."
If you're a mineralogist. Try looking up "quartz glass" or "fused quartz" in google.

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Re:Serious question: by Pope · 2012-02-03 04:19 · Score: 2

Gorilla Glass is made out of gorillas, like Girl Scout cookies.

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Re:How tall are you? by ackthpt · 2012-02-03 04:27 · Score: 2

You must have never dropped an iPhone 4/S from a foot up on something that isn't memory foam.
Try leaving it on top of the car and then driving away -- hearing a clatter -- thinking 'um where's the phone?' and going back to find it -- fully functional, just some case scratches. Done it not, once, but twice.
BTW, there's some great news on Alzheimers Research in a following news post. Hope they get this sorted before I really need it. Ok.. I have the phone, but where's the car?

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Re:Serious question: by Anonymous Coward · 2012-02-03 04:31 · Score: 5, Funny

Girl Scout cookies are made out of gorillas?
Re:Serious question: by tchdab1 · 2012-02-03 05:43 · Score: 2

And baby powder.
Re:How tall are you? by flink · 2012-02-03 06:19 · Score: 2

I've dropped my iPhone 4 from 5' up and watched it bounce down half a flight of concrete steps to no ill effect. On the other hand, my girlfriend had hers fall 6" from her breast pocket while she was bending over to pick up her car keys and the screen complete shattered. They build these things out of some pretty amazing materials and they do their best to make them hardy, but when it comes down to it you are still rolling the dice when you drop one.