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Ask Slashdot: How To Go Paperless At Home?

THE_WELL_HUNG_OYSTER writes "Over the years, I've had numerous scanners equipped with automatic document feeders — and all of them jam or grab multiple pages at a time (thereby missing pages). Like you, I've got years of tax returns and legal documents to scan, but with these kinds of barriers, it would take months to scan everything. Enterprise-grade machines cost 5 figures. How do Slashdotters become paper-free?"

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  1. Evernote by xanadu113 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Try using Evernote and scan as you go, keeping up on all current items. Do extra ones when you have the time.

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    1. Re:Evernote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Better yet, use the roundfile. 99.999% of all paperwork doesn't need to exist, much less be saved digitally. Even tax documents sunset in just a few years.

    2. Re:Evernote by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Informative

      Plus, most companies are quite happy to deliver electronically, since it saves them money. Check with your delivery companies, they might even offer a discount if you go paperless.

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    3. Re:Evernote by DarkVader · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Somehow, putting my personal confidential documents on somebody else's server seems like a very, very bad idea. I'm not at all sure why you'd suggest it.

      Scan as you go makes sense for new documents, but I think THE_WELL_HUNG_OYSTER's question really was a request for our opinions on bulk scanning solutions for already existing paper documents, not an ill-advised "cloud" storage solution for new ones.

      Unfortunately, I don't have a good answer either, scanners generally prove to be quite the annoyance.

  2. You don't have to BUY a machine by chronosan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Find someone who'll rent one to you.

    1. Re:You don't have to BUY a machine by SkimTony · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'll second this. My office has a networked Xerox Multi-function, and it handles scan-to-pdf very nicely, depositing a PDF in my inbox. Since I'm not using any paper or toner (as I would if I were making copies at the office) no one cares if I stay a few minutes late to run a sheaf or two through the scanner.

  3. Out source by NEDHead · · Score: 5, Funny

    to China

    1. Re:Out source by Eponymous+Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not sure why you've been marked as troll, but there are services that will do this for you. Send them a box of paperwork and a couple of weeks later you get access to everything as searchable pdf files.

    2. Re:Out source by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not sure why you've been marked as troll, but there are services that will do this for you. Send them a box of paperwork and a couple of weeks later you get access to everything as searchable pdf files.

      Plus there's the added bonus of someone else having your complete history in digital form! Saves them a few steps if they ever want to make a lateral move into identity theft.

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  4. Fujitsu ScanSnap or similar by introp · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A sheet-feeder duplex scanner that'll scan and OCR to a PDF. Drop in your year of bank statements, press the button, come back in five minutes. Scan your receipts, product manuals, whatever you actually use. Throw out everything else.

    1. Re:Fujitsu ScanSnap or similar by Alan+Shutko · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is the simple answer. This scanner actually works, unlike other ones I've tried. Multifunction printers with scanners, or flatbeds with a document feeder are all much slower and much more prone to jamming. The Scansnap rarely jams but when it does, it tells you and lets you fix it. It hardly ever grabs multiple pages at once, but when it does, it can notice it (mine has an ultrasonic sensor) and will let you fix it immediately.

      I've scanned some 10k sheets with mine (not pages, as a double-sided document counts as 1 sheet but two pages). It works extremely well.

    2. Re:Fujitsu ScanSnap or similar by lhaeh · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yup, the Fujitsu ScanSnap 1500M is amazing. Never jams, great OCR software, VERY fast.

      Check out the great reviews on Amazon

      You can just toss in receipts and odd sized documents, handles them all fine.

    3. Re:Fujitsu ScanSnap or similar by puck01 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'll agree with this. It just works and does so quickly.

      Add a good shredder and a secure redundant storage system and you're good to go.

    4. Re:Fujitsu ScanSnap or similar by jrkotrla · · Score: 5, Informative

      As an owner and avid fan of the ScanSnap S1500, I tell you: "Read the manual" (or at least the help files)

      You can configure as you like, but on mine I press the blue magic button and I have a PDF file stored on my HDD in a folder I have preselected. This PDF is named according to the naming convention I have selected, and is later OCR'd when my computer is idle, as I have selected. No other selection boxes pop up and I don't have to click on anything at all on my computer. Just the one blue button.

      That's why the Scansnap is magic

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    5. Re:Fujitsu ScanSnap or similar by BasilBrush · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've got a Scansnap S1300. Same software. If you have to do more than press the button on the scanner to scan a document, you've configured it wrong.

      It does come with a manual.

    6. Re:Fujitsu ScanSnap or similar by plover · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The number of people being able to afford one is irrelevant. There are always wealthy people who can afford something that the poor cannot.

      The question about the savings of keeping less paper are perfectly on target. Assuming the paper is recycled (either after scanning or after you've kept it for the required seven years) that part's a wash. They still printed and mailed you the paper, and you still handled it and disposed of it. There is no savings one way or the other based on how long you keep it.

      The only actual savings is incurred if you change residences. Not having to move seven boxes of old papers is perhaps worth a few cents of your time and some truck fuel.

      The other "savings" claimed is convenience. Having a searchable back index of these pieces of paper might have some value, but only if you actually need to refer back to them. And that's the deal. I have a box of paper marked "2006" in the closet, filled with receipts, bills, tax forms, etc. How often do I go back to that? Never. So how often would I need to refer back to the electronic version of the same data? Never. It's a box of pre-recycling scrap paper that I store only because I may need it in case of a future tax audit. Otherwise, doing anything with it is a waste of my time and effort.

      Next January, I'll spend an hour in front of the shredder getting rid of the contents of that box. Even that's no different than spending a minute a week shredding them after scanning them, really. Now, a scanner/shredder combination might be a lower-effort way of handling them, but that's not the product we're looking at. Plus, I shred in bulk, which is a lot faster than shredding a sheet at a time while scanning it.

      So I completely agree with you. Overall, scanning these papers would be a step that delivers no benefit to me, yet costs me in terms of time and money.

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    7. Re:Fujitsu ScanSnap or similar by PsychoSlashDot · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have one of those and the programmer should be shot. Make that at least a dozen of times. After each scan I have to make half a dozen of mouse clicks to get ready for the next scan. Close the floating window. Then it asks me whether I want to throw away the last scan. Why would I want that? And why is it the default? Then you have to go to the dock, right-click (not an ordinary click), select the proper menu item to get the floating window again. AAARrrrrrggghhh.

      What it does a nice job at is recognizing single sided and double sided, as well as orientation. OK, deduct two bullets.

      Bert

      You're doing it wrong. Seriously. The ScanSnap has two very distinct "modes". In the default "mode" it works with sort of a wizard interface. You press the button and a box comes up asking you "what do you want to do with this?" It walks you through the process. If you disable that mode (I think it's called Quick Menu) by right-clicking on the blue S systray icon and then clicking on "Enable Quick Menu", you open up a world of awesome.

      In awesome mode, you define "profiles". As many as you like. You can define a single-sided, black & white, 300dpi, save as ARBITRARY-NAME###-DATE.PDF in X:\FOLDER. You can define other profiles with other settings, including the scan-to-email and scan-to-print options that mimic the options in the Quick Menu. When you're in a profile, you press the Scan button on the scanner and... it just DOES whatever that profile defines. At most you have a single OK button to confirm what it's going to do. Changing profiles is done by left-clicking on the blue S systray icon and clicking on the desired profile.

      You're using the mode for people who don't understand computers. There's a whole customizable mode for people who do.

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  5. Outsource it. by Fished · · Score: 3, Informative

    Lots of places will scan documents for you on professional-grade scanners, including your local Kinko's. Sometimes, you don't save money by trying to do it yourself -- like when you keep buying another cheap scanner at a couple hundred a pop to avoid getting it done professionally.

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    1. Re:Outsource it. by mj1856 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why the hell would you give the guy at Kikos a box of your tax returns and legal documents? Especially since you are asking him to scan them! It only takes a minute for him to make his own digital copy and poof! There goes your identity.

    2. Re:Outsource it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Why scan them all?"

      More than once I've needed a receipt a year or two later because something needed to be fixed under warranty. Oh, I found the original receipt! I think. Two years later, it's blank, the thermal print faded to nothing.

      THAT is why I scan.

    3. Re:Outsource it. by markdavis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you think THAT is crazy, look at the first, top-rated comment! Evernote? Yeah, like I want to give some third-party, "cloud" service access to all my stuff all the time? Geesh, even Google is bad enough now. And if you think I am going to use my phone to pay for stuff with Google Wallet.... think again!

  6. Do you think it's worth it? by jcreus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All those tax returns, legal paperwork... Can't they just stay on a box or at the basement? It'll require lots of work, and get few benefits. I would understand for new documents; i.e. introducing to a spreadsheet some taxes/things to pay. But why care about the past? Or, at least, why scan? Just type the figures, it'll be more semantic and wouldn't involve machines (except for you and the computer).

    1. Re:Do you think it's worth it? by swalve · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is where Banker's Boxes are great. Just move last year's files into a box and put a destruction date on it. Done.

  7. ScanSnap by MikeMo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Fujitsu ScanSnap S1500 totally rocks. I bought that refurbished for $250. Add in Yojimbo or Evernote and you'll be set. We've gone paperless in our office and at home, and this machine is the heart of that. We scan everything and shred it.

    It's nice not having the paper around, but the BIG thing is not having to find it - it's always at your fingertips, searchable by document content or via the keywords in Evernote or Yojimbo.

    1. Re:ScanSnap by Shoe+Puppet · · Score: 3, Funny

      (I cut the books)

      You, sir, are worse than Hitler.

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  8. Toilet paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How do you expect to be "paperfree" when almost the entire use of your paper has nothing to do with priting anything?

    Most of paper is used for toiletpaper or paper towels or paper tissue.

    So, how do you use those 3-shells??

  9. Why go "Paperless"? by schroom5 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I really don't understand the whole idea of going paperless. The vast majority of paper we get, we don't really need to keep more than a month or so. Bills, etc, when you get them, you review them for errors, if everything looks good you pay it, at most I keep 2 months worth of back bills around. If you close an account, keep the last statement for a year or two. Taxes, insurance papers, titles & deed, those you need to keep long term, but 7 years worth of returns, insurance contracts, deeds & titles will fit easily in one, maybe two, plastic file boxes that you can get from Staples for $20. A 2 draw filing cabinet and a couple plastic file boxes should handle the filing needs of the average family. Most people just keep too much paper. The reason you want to keep paper around is if there is ever a disagreement it is usable in court. I'm not sure scanned documents can be submitted to court, so I would never just scan then shred my tax returns.

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  10. Use a mounted camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I had this exact problem. With a scanner I was getting up to 3 scans per minute, and even at that rate it would have taken me months to scan all I wanted. I realized the problem was the physical moving of the element, and that if it were to take the whole snapshot at once then it would be a lot faster. A camera mounted overhead, with a trigger to snap photos dropped my scan time down so much I was doing 12-15 pages per minute. Assuming you get it well lit, with a decent camera that has little distortion, you can get images that are as good as a scanner MUCH faster. I posted about my setup here:

    http://bobbaddeley.com/2011/05/fast-scanner/

  11. Simple Scan with Brother MFC-7840W by El_Oscuro · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have Simple Scan on Ubuntu and a networked Brother MFC-7840W. The Brother has a multiple page feeder which doesn't jam much and Simple Scan which supports multiple pages. Couldn't be easier. Just put your document in the feeder, push scan and a few minutes later you have a 10 page PDF of it.

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  12. Cheap scanners by DogDude · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not sure what kind of document feeders the poster has been buying, but I regularly scan and fax hundreds of pages a week on a very affordable Brother multi-function machine. They cost about $300 and work just fine.

    Of course, you could also take those old tax returns and stick them in a box in a closet somewhere on the 1/1,000,000 chance that you may ever need to look at them again.

    I don't understand Slashdot's obsession with articles and questions about turning simple, mundane tasks into grossly overcomplicated, expensive technical "problems" in need of grossly overcomplicated, expensive technical "solutions".

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  13. "How to go Paperless at Home?" by John+Hasler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Install a bidet.

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  14. Huh? by PCM2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My reaction is, why would you want to go "paper-free"?

    Seriously. Are you allergic to paper or something?

    It would be one thing if everybody sent you bills and documents electronically and you never had to deal with paper again, but you're talking about scanning things in with a document feeder. WTF?

    Seriously. It is much, much harder to keep records electronically than to throw the pieces of paper into a file cabinet and forget about it. This is well documented.

    Maybe for a company that produces huge piles and mounds of documents every year it makes sense to want to convert them to electronic formats, but for an individual it makes no sense. And you're not talking about stuff like marriage licenses, now, you're talking about random individual tax records from years ago. WHY are you losing sleep over it?

    The mere fact that it's hard for you to figure out how to do it should be a big clue that IT'S AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT YOU WOULDN'T OTHERWISE HAVE TO DO. Are you so bored?

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    1. Re:Huh? by devilspgd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Seriously. It is much, much harder to keep records electronically than to throw the pieces of paper into a file cabinet and forget about it. This is well documented.

      True. Equally well documented is how much easier it is to index paper by multiple keys, as well as rapidly resort and search file cabinets. Oh wait, no, that's electronically stored documents.

      Seriously, storing paper is a ton easier and it works for many purposes. Until you move, or have a fire, or your basement floods, or you need a copy of that letter you received from your insurance company 18-24 months ago confirming a change to your home because they're now claiming they weren't informed you're using natural gas instead of electric heat and are declining a $250,000 insurance claim after the aforementioned fire.

      But sure, paper is easier to throw into a file cabinet and forget about.

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  15. Re:Can you go paperless? by cob666 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The IRS has accepted scanned receipts since the late 90's, provided they are identical to the original and legible.

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  16. Re:Can you go paperless? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p17.pdf

    Page 16.

    Basic gist: can go paperless as long as the digital images are indexed, legible and retrievable.

  17. Use a digital camera? by hawguy · · Score: 3, Informative

    When I had a bunch of old documents i wanted to image, I used a tripod to suspend my digital camera over my desk pointing downward, set it to fixed focus along with a bright light nearby, then my wife and I started snapping pics as fast as I could lay pages out. We used a DSLR, but any camera should work. Setting it to fixed focus was key to prevent focusing delays.

    I'd put a page on the desk and she'd snap a pic as soon as I'd lay it down (with a remote shutter release, it would be easy to do it with one person). We did over 1000 pages in less than an hour - it took longer to shred the docs than it did to image them because the cheap shredder kept turning itself off due to thermal overload. I taped the focusing ring and zoom ring in place to make sure it didn't move out of focus and spot checked a few docs along the way to make sure everything looked good. My 10MP camera gave around 250dpi resolution for legal sized documents, which was more than sufficient for my needs. I originally thought I'd save them as uncompressed TIFF's and convert to PNG's, but it turned out that the "fine" JPG setting on the camera gave good results with small file sizes (and didn't need as many memory cards). I've printed a few of the docs since then, with adequate cropping in an image editor, the printed docs look about as good as a photocopy.

    Maybe not the best solution for ongoing needs, but if you have a single big batch to do and you don't want to spend a lot of money on a scanner, it might be worth looking into. This method would work well with poor quality and/or oddly shaped originals like thermal paper receipts.

  18. Re:By understanding "paperless" by AdamWill · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Maybe you could stop being a self-obsessed idiot and cut your grandmother some slack. She's not sending you Christmas cards to spite your right-on tree-hugging ideals or because she's trying to convert you to Christianity. She's sending Christmas cards because that's what a lot of people do for the people they love. Ever considered that to her, *not* sending you a Christmas card might be as bad a breach of protocol to her as getting a paper bill or whatever is to you?

  19. Re:Easy by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Funny

    Do it at work! Not only do they have better machines, you get paid to do it there!

    When will you surf Slashdot then?

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  20. Re:Which Fujitsu ScanSnap? by BasilBrush · · Score: 3, Informative

    S1500 is good if it won't ever move from a desk.
    S1100 doesn't have a document feeder, but could be OK if you need utra-portability.

    S1300 is a good compromise. A document feeder and also portable. It's the one I have and I like it.

    They all use the same software.

    Note that these scanners don't use TWAIN drivers. Which is mostly a good thing as TWAIN has drawbacks, and makes scanning fiddly. But it does mean these scanners won't work directly from within apps that use TWAIN, and might be a problem with Linux machines.

  21. Very bad idea by sgent · · Score: 4, Insightful

    although some paper work can be eliminated after 4 years, other needs to be retained much, much longer. Supporting documents for tax returns -- especially those not reported by third parties to the irs -- should be kept for a minimum of 3 years AFTER you file the return. Six years if you have under-reported or taken aggressive deductions that may reduce your taxes due by more than 25%.

    In addition you should retain every receipt for the purchase and capital improvements to your house until (see above) years after you sell the house -- this includes new roofs, AC, appliances, remodeling expenses, etc.

    Stock records should be kept as above.

    Contracts (esp. big ones) should be kept until the contract is completed, and at least until the statue of limitations runs out.

    This doesn't even get into business property -- where you can be audited on a desk you purchased up to 14 years later (in theory). Property related to assets (vs. expenses) should almost be retained indefinitely.