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Followup: Ultraviolet Vision After Cataract Surgery

xmas2003 writes "Several months ago, I posted to Slashdot about being able to see ultraviolet light after cataract surgery. While a lot of the discussion whimsically discussed the best way for 'Captain UV' or 'UltraMan' to use this 'super-power,' there were some people who were skeptical or (incorrectly) said this is Tetrachromatic vision. I've subsequently done more testing using an Oriel Instruments MS257 Monochromator and was able to see color down to 350nm — below the usual ~400nm limit of the visual spectrum. It's also easily demonstrable with a pair of 400nm and 365nm UV flashlights. Some readers who also have UV vision commented this can be quite annoying at black-lit Disney Rides, Halloween Haunted Houses, etc. Fortunately for me, it's just an interesting oddity so far. Along those lines, some interesting related stories about using UV vision during World War II and Star Gazing. Finally, many/most people end up getting vision debilitating cataracts, so my experience having a Crystalens implanted after cataract surgery may be informative."

311 comments

  1. Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can you see through clothes?

    1. Re:Cool by iamhassi · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Can you see through clothes?

      Apparently not, and honestly I'm having a hard time figuring out what good having UV vision is. What can you do with it? In your last /. post you called it a "superpower". Is it? How is seeing UV "super"? You're not faster or stronger or can fly or move things with your mind or see in the dark, you just see a spectrum of light no one else can. It's like being able to spit 100 yards, what good would that be? In fact I'd think it would be annoying, now I'm seeing things other people aren't, so lights might bother me while everyone else thinks it's fine and I'm the only one having a problem.

      Actually that's a good question: since you see UV light, could you use a UV flashlight to walk around in what appears to be almost complete darkness but you see just fine with the UV flashlight? I suppose that would be cool, not sure how useful that would be but interesting anyway.

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    2. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you see through clothes?

      It's like being able to spit 100 yards, what good would that be?

      OMG lol.

    3. Re:Cool by mcavic · · Score: 3, Informative

      idiot

      Be nice. In The World's Not Enough, Bond's x-ray glasses were blue, not red.

    4. Re:Cool by iamhassi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually that's a good question: since you see UV light, could you use a UV flashlight to walk around in what appears to be almost complete darkness but you see just fine with the UV flashlight? I suppose that would be cool, not sure how useful that would be but interesting anyway.

      Answered my own question: half-way down this page he says he can see light from a 365nm UV flashlight that appears to have no light. So yes, he could light his entire house in 365nm UV light and "see" while everyone else would see pitch black.

      That would be neat, but some things that would appear as black to other people actually appear as violet to him. I would find that annoying, I guess technically he's now color blind, "the inability or decreased ability to see color, or perceive color differences, under lighting conditions when color vision is not normally impaired", since now he perceives some black colors as violet.

      Think I'll pass on this superpower.

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    5. Re:Cool by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      Well could be worst.... at least he can't see in Infrared..... how I hate the night....

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    6. Re:Cool by fuzzfuzz · · Score: 3, Informative

      "the inability or decreased ability to see color, or perceive color differences, under lighting conditions when color vision is not normally impaired", since now he perceives some black colors as violet.

      Not quite. Black is not a color.

    7. Re:Cool by omnichad · · Score: 1

      That sounds more like everyone else is color blind and he's one of the few that aren't. Those black things that appear violet are just poorly dyed. I have black fabric covering the front of my home theater speakers that look burgundy when the morning sunlight shines through our reddish living room curtains.

    8. Re:Cool by maple_shaft · · Score: 1

      "the inability or decreased ability to see color, or perceive color differences, under lighting conditions when color vision is not normally impaired", since now he perceives some black colors as violet.

      Not quite. Black is not a color.

      Sure it is. Just not any color that you can see. A black surface absorbs all wavelengths of the relatively tiny visible spectrum.

    9. Re:Cool by quarterbuck · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's because it relected all the Blue colors and let the red colors through

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    10. Re:Cool by Mr+Z · · Score: 1

      Actually that's a good question: since you see UV light, could you use a UV flashlight to walk around in what appears to be almost complete darkness but you see just fine with the UV flashlight? I suppose that would be cool, not sure how useful that would be but interesting anyway.

      Well, it'd be almost complete darkness, except for everything that fluoresces, which actually is quite a lot of things. Maybe he can get a job as plainclothes security at fun houses lit by black-light. Everyone else just sees teeth and the random glowing t-shirts and socks, whereas he sees everything else.

    11. Re:Cool by Tmann72 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      An object has a color because it reflects the color and absorbs all others. So a red apple is red because it reflects red wavelengths. A black object reflects no wavelengths and absorbs all the visible colors. If you want to go attempt to claim that perhaps a black object reflects a spectrum that is non-visible to the human eye then this still doesn't help your cause. A theoretical object that absorbs all spectrum, including all non-visible wavelengths to the human eye, would still be black. Therefore, black is not a color, but the absence of color.

    12. Re:Cool by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      Do you not know what super means? It is beyond normal human capability, thus it is super. Get a dictionary.

    13. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you couldn't use a UV lamp as night vision. UV light causes most objects to fluoresce in the visible spectrum to some extent. Whilst most of us couldn't see the UV light itself, we could easily see the longer (and visible) wavelengths emitted from fluorescent objects, so it wouldn't be very dark.

    14. Re:Cool by MartinSchou · · Score: 1

      He might make for one hell of a night burglar!

    15. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      UV light has a shorter wavelength than violet light. the shorter the wavelength the faster the wave. there for a fast 400nm beam is slower than the ultra fast 360nm beam. UV.

    16. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      4Chan is 3 sites to the left.

    17. Re:Cool by dtmos · · Score: 1

      Faster? Than the speed of light?!?

    18. Re:Cool by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Actually he will have a lower light vision. at Civil twilight when the visible spectrum is falling off UV spectrum is spiking. IT's why "day glo" color start to pop more to normal eyes.

      Problem is very little is UV reflective in nature. so to him man made items will stand out significantly during twilight hours.

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    19. Re:Cool by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Sure it is. Just not any color that you can see.

      So silence is a note, just not any note that you can hear?

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    20. Re:Cool by Deorus · · Score: 1

      The problem is when that light gets absorbed by all wooden platforms and even people's skin (melanin is supposed to absorb UV). As someone who, too, can fucking see those lights, whenever I enter a nightclub with lots of blacklights, I'm just as good as any legally blind person, because all I see are extremely bright lights with specular reflections bouncing off lots of shiny surfaces but almost no diffuse reflections for me to see where I'm going. It is so intense sometimes that I have to cover up my eyes the same way people react while driving at the sunset.

    21. Re:Cool by ZeroSumHappiness · · Score: 1

      Black is not a color when talking about art. Black /is/ a color when talking about anything else.

    22. Re:Cool by T-Bone-T · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The problem is he is sometimes seeing violet where everywone else sees black. A black object is black because it is not reflecting the wavelengths you are trying to detect. If something is perceived to be black to everyone else and is referred to by its color, he may not know which object is being referred to because everyone else's black object is his violet object.

    23. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes, yes it is

    24. Re:Cool by Skapare · · Score: 1

      He probably means faster at changing the wave state back and forth, as in frequency, the inverse of wavelength. You've never known Anonymous Coward to express himself very well, have you?

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    25. Re:Cool by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Difficulty seeing in a high-UV environment would be the least of my worries. If I found myself suddenly able to see UV, I'd be more worried about the increased risk of getting cancer of the optic nerve.

      Because UV is generally considered to be moderately dangerous, I would argue that this is a design flaw in the replacement lenses, and an easily fixable flaw at that. Until the manufacturer realizes their mistake, you should always wear a pair of clear glasses or sunglasses with a UV-opaque coating (on the outside) and an anti-glare coating (on the inside) to reduce the risk of permanent damage to your eyes.

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    26. Re:Cool by yurtinus · · Score: 2

      Not a good analogy. This would be something like a note at say 25KHz - it's there, but most people can't hear it.

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    27. Re:Cool by yurtinus · · Score: 1

      Or more accurately, a surface will appear black if it absorbs all the wavelengths that *your* eyes are sensitive to. GP is being... inaccurately pedantic?

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    28. Re:Cool by layer3switch · · Score: 1

      let's not forget, with that argument, color "white" is not a color either.

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    29. Re:Cool by El+Torico · · Score: 1

      Wow, that's either a Zen koan or a line from some sappy chick flick. Is there a mod that covers both?

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    30. Re:Cool by Tyler+Durden · · Score: 2

      I think this depends on whether you consider color to be the external phenomenon you are perceiving or the actual perception that phenomenon creates within you. If it's the latter then you can argue that even the absence of light has an associated color with it. What if your mind associated the absence of light with what you currently perceive as green, and "green" wavelength light as black?

      But then, do the blind see black?

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    31. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, Overrated.

    32. Re:Cool by maple_shaft · · Score: 0

      An example of something truly black would be a black hole, as it absorbs all light, matter and energy around it, meaning that it is truly the only surface in the universe we are aware of that can truly be known as black.

      Well, that and Don Cheadle

    33. Re:Cool by Serious+Callers+Only · · Score: 1

      So silence is a note, just not any note that you can hear?

      Why yes, exactly.

      For example this device is silent to some people, but not to others:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mosquito

      In the same way what some people perceive as black (silence), the poster now perceives as a colour.

    34. Re:Cool by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      If I found myself suddenly able to see UV, I'd be more worried about the increased risk of getting cancer of the optic nerve.

      Why would you have increased risk of cancer?

      Isn't everyone else EXPOSED to the same UV (i.e. coming into their eyes), but in your hypothetical situation, you would be the only one seeing it?

    35. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually it all depends on whether we are talking pigment or light.

      If its light, White is a mix of ALL colors, and black is the absence of any of the colors.
      If its pigment then White is the absence of pigment, and Black is all pigments combined.

    36. Re:Cool by BlastfireRS · · Score: 1

      That's exactly what it is...musically speaking; the rests are often equally important to the rest of the notes. In fact, an entire composition (John Cage's "4'33" is dedicated to the "sound" of silence: http://youtu.be/hUJagb7hL0E

    37. Re:Cool by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      Black is the colour of no light reflecting. Plus it's just not reflecting a spectrum you can see. Which is the whole point of this submission. He can see colours you and I can't.

    38. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it should be the other way around. Black is a colour in art because you can use a black paint or ink. Black is not a colour in real life, because it is just the absence of any reflected light in the visible spectrum.

    39. Re:Cool by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Informative

      You're seeing it because it successfully passes through the artificial lens where previously it was either reflected, diffused, or absorbed by your body's natural lens.

      If the natural lens absorbed or reflected the UV, this means that your retina is receiving significantly more UV with the artificial lens.

      If the natural lens merely diffused the UV (which seems somewhat unlikely), then your retina is probably getting more UV than it did before (because some of it would have hit other parts of the eye), and is also getting more intense UV in certain spots than it did before, but less intense UV in other spots. IIRC, a shorter exposure time increases the risk of cancer even if the total exposure is the same.

      Either way, it's not good.

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    40. Re:Cool by Atzanteol · · Score: 1

      An example of something truly black would be a black hole, as it absorbs all light, matter and energy around it, meaning that it is truly the only surface in the universe we are aware of that can truly be known as black.

      Well, that and Don Cheadle

      Not to mention the cover of "Smell The Glove..."

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    41. Re:Cool by Tmann72 · · Score: 1

      Actually white is the combination of all colors reflected at once. Did no one take like 4th grade science? I learned this when I was a child.

    42. Re:Cool by Tmann72 · · Score: 1

      Exactly.

    43. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like how Colin Powell acts white and he just looks black.

    44. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure that any additional UV light is getting into the eye, only that right now he can perceive it. Others get just as much, but it is not processed.

    45. Re:Cool by St.Creed · · Score: 1

      There is a piece of music called 4'33" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4%E2%80%B233%E2%80%B3) which is 4 minutes 33 seconds of silence.

      So apparently, some composers think so.

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    46. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I doubt the rods & cones of his eyes were changed by cataract surgery, so if anything the new lenses are transforming UV-frequencies to "normal vision" frequencies, which means fewer UV rays than usual are hitting his corneas. Unless the biological human lens does something similar, or does it more effectively, of course.

    47. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, he's saying that what you perceive as silence actually has a lot of other sounds that are inaudible to humans. Or, "that's not really silence."

    48. Re:Cool by Algae_94 · · Score: 1

      I can think of no valid hypothesis that a cataract surgery would change his retina or brain and thus his perception of this light. I would tend to agree with the GP that the new lens is allowing more UV light to his retina. Enough for him to be able to see it.

    49. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We all get UV in the eyes, it isn't the matter of opacity of the spectrum, but of receptors accepting the wavelength. In order for the Crystalens to provide UV sight, it has to down-convert the wavelength to indigo to be picked up by existing cones in the retina.

      Besides, he sees UVA, which is not directly cancerous: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraviolet#Human_health-related_effects_of_UV_radiation

    50. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cataract surgery doesn't replace the photoreceptors in the back of your eye, it replaces the lens.

    51. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Super (adj)
      • 1. of the highest degree, power, etc.
      • 2. of an extreme or excessive degree.
      • 3. Informal . very good; first-rate; excellent.
      • 4. (of measurement) superficial.
      • 5. superfine.

      Simply being beyond normal capability is a bit short of the highest or an excessive degree. Perhaps you should read the dictionary again before trying to school someone. Your common usage of the term super is dumbing it down and forcing us to come up with other superlative adjectives when something is well beyond the point you consider to be super.

    52. Re:Cool by ChatHuant · · Score: 1

      could you use a UV flashlight to walk around in what appears to be almost complete darkness but you see just fine with the UV flashlight? I suppose that would be cool, not sure how useful that would be but interesting anyway.

      It's obvious: he can now become a ninja.

    53. Re:Cool by treeves · · Score: 4, Funny

      Silly argument. If there is a crayon with the word printed on it, then it's a color.
      I like "burnt sienna".

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    54. Re:Cool by Pharmboy · · Score: 2

      Black == 0w/cm2 between 700nm and 400nm. He is referring to now being able to see between 400nm and 350nm, which is a type of violet. Specifically, "ultra violet".

      It is possible to light a surface with only 400nm-350nm light. We make ultraviolet lamps, and we have one that produces ZERO visible light in the 700nm-400nm range. To you and I, they look black. To him, it would be as bright as a regular light, but the color would be even more violet than violet. So yes, he would be able to see what you and I would call "black".

      To be sure, we don't actually SELL this light, because it would confuse customers who couldn't tell if it was working or not. It is an engineering masterpiece, and a marketing nightmare. It does, however, make a most excellent analog for this situation :)

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    55. Re:Cool by alva_edison · · Score: 1

      Demonstrating once again that dictionaries can't keep up. "Super power" is a phrase that's been in use at least 50 years, and does not really use any of the above definitions of super. A "super power" is an ability which normal humans do not possess.

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    56. Re:Cool by budgenator · · Score: 1

      I have neutrino vision you insensitive clod.

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    57. Re:Cool by nahdude812 · · Score: 1

      People can generally see the light from a blacklight, right? It's just an incredibly intense shade of deep purple? Or do blacklights legitimately not emit a typically-visible spectrum of light?

      I can definitely see the light from a blacklight quite clearly. I can't stare right at a blacklight, it's just as uncomfortable as staring right at a normal light. It doesn't appear as intense visually, but it's *easily* visible and my squint and look-away reflex is just as strong. I can also see the IR light from some (but not all) remotes. This is much harder to see, usually I have to be looking right into the LED to see it. If it's very dark in the room, I can make out the outline of the beam, but it's tough.

      I've always just assumed everyone is this way. It makes me wonder - is that abnormal?

    58. Re:Cool by bughunter · · Score: 1

      It's like being able to spit 100 yards, what good would that be?

      Well, it depends on the accuracy at 100 yards.

      If you could hit someone's eye at 100 yards, I daresay there would be more than a few practical applications.

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    59. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blacklights - almost always - emit visible light. Seeing those is normal.

      Seeing the IR LED on a remote is not normal. Most people can't see a thing. Just about any digital camera sees it fine, though.

    60. Re:Cool by realityimpaired · · Score: 1

      You're seeing it because it successfully passes through the artificial lens where previously it was either reflected, diffused, or absorbed by your body's natural lens.

      Some people are reportedly born with the ability to see into the UV, just as some women are reportedly tetrachromatic (with dozens of explanations for why). Personally, my vision is uncorrected and I have never had any kind of surgery to replace the lenses, but I also know that I've never seen a "black" light that doesn't give off a bright violet glow, and that I am much more susceptible to snow blindness than just about everybody I know. And it's not like I spend my days in a dank basement... actually, I spend a lot of time outside, and my office has windows to the outside on 3 sides, less than 15 feet from my desk in all of those directions, so you'd think that I'd be more exposed to light than average, not less. And yet, sometimes in the winter I cannot function without mirrored sunglasses, because there is just too much light, and there's even times in the summer where I'm either squinting or wearing sunglasses and can't function otherwise. As the GP, nightclubs are a wash for me, but that's largely due to sensory overload.

      I don't think I have any kind of superpower, nor do I consider the possibility that I'm seeing into spectrum other people can't. As I understand it, most black lights give off a faint violet glow, and it's by design so that folks know they're on. I just think that my eyes are much more sensitive to light than most people, and that because of this, the "faint" violet glow from black lights becomes a "bright" violet glow for me.

      That being said, I am not the GP, nor am I the original submitter. I can't speak for them. They could very well be seeing into the ultraviolet. Weirder things have happened.

      And I do understand that your point is about increased risk for cancer of the optical nerve, due to increased exposure to ultraviolet light. I suppose that's a possibility... I don't know enough about medicine to comment. But I'm reasonably sure that it's an exceedingly low possibility to begin with, in part because that kind of cancer is fairly rare, and in part because the number of people who reportedly see into the UV are a very small portion of the population. In the end, it's a question of whether the risk outweighs the inconvenience, and were it me, I don't think I would bother changing my habits.

    61. Re:Cool by treeves · · Score: 1

      Of course, in a real concert, there will always be some sounds, whether audience coughs or paper rustling, or planes flying overhead the concert hall, or HVAC, or rain on the roof, etc. Cage expected this of course.

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    62. Re:Cool by psiclops · · Score: 1

      wouldn't he now have a greater ability to differentiate and percieve colour differences? as you know other people would see two objects as black when he could tell that one is black and the other is not?

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    63. Re:Cool by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 1

      No, think you are very wrong on that. What is the point of UV blocking sunglasses then if our eye lens would block out UV light naturally?

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    64. Re:Cool by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      So you're saying that everyone else is colour blind, as they are unable to distinguish between UV and black, where he is.

      He has no difficulty perceiving differences in color; he has, in fact, an expanded ability to perceive differences in color where most people are color blind.

    65. Re:Cool by Killall+-9+Bash · · Score: 1

      Most black dye is actually a very very very dark purple. He may be seeing more accurately than we are.

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    66. Re:Cool by nullchar · · Score: 1

      Yup, if you want to have a "flashlight that only you can see" like the submitter, you can swap out the white LEDs in a flashlight with IR LEDs, then use a digital camera viewfinder / cellphone camera to "see".

      (Obviously the backlit screen would give you away if you're trying to be sneaky, but then there's IR goggles and other fun toys.)

    67. Re:Cool by AaronLS · · Score: 1

      Waaah? So if black light bulbs look purple to me, then I have UV vision? I thought that was natural, and they were called black lights only because they don't illiumnate anything except what reacts to the UV light.

    68. Re:Cool by AaronLS · · Score: 1

      Is it possible that somehow UV light is being shifted into a visible spectrum when it passes through the lens? The cones in our eyes are pretty limited in what light they react to. Not sure if it's possible to alter light in this way just by it passing through a material, but if so, I think this would be a more plausible explanation.

    69. Re:Cool by AaronLS · · Score: 1

      This was exactly what I was thinking. I don't know if such a spectrum shift is possible just by the UV passing through the new material, but if so, then I think this is probably more plausible.

    70. Re:Cool by AaronLS · · Score: 1

      I would guess so, but the difference being where there is a variation in a pigment that reflects more or less UV, and thus the difference you perceive wouldn't be something anyone else perceived. Might be interesting for embedding images or info into something that only you can see. Might also be annoying if there was some variation that no one else noticed, and thus you said "We need to clean that splotch off there" and everyone else looked at you like you were crazy.

      Is UV light the spectrum they use at hotels to see all those nasty stains? Somethings are better left unseen...

    71. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ermmm, just because a person can't see the UV spectrum normally doesn't mean it's not already hitting their optic nerve. There is no difference in the amount of UV hitting an optic nerve if someone can or can't see the actual light....

    72. Re:Cool by AaronLS · · Score: 1

      LOL "SUPERFINE"!!!!

    73. Re:Cool by AaronLS · · Score: 1

      "Problem is very little is UV reflective in nature. so to him man made items will stand out significantly during twilight hours."

      I would speculate that very little can see UV light, is either the cause or effect of this.

      A bird says: Hey baby, I may be pretty bland compared to other potential mates, but check out my superfine UV colored feathers, oh yeh! Oh they just look like a dull brown... damnit, if only I had an advanced brain and opposable thumbs I could invent a black light and get laid.

      Wait, maybe that's exactly what the inventor of raves was thinking...

    74. Re:Cool by Iskender · · Score: 2

      No, think you are very wrong on that. What is the point of UV blocking sunglasses then if our eye lens would block out UV light naturally?

      Because neither set of lenses blocks it perfectly. This is typical of filters.

      It's a lot like some lethally poisonous delicious mushrooms. The poison is unaffected by cooking, so you should soak the mushrooms in water first. After you've done that you should do it a second time. This process doesn't remove the poison - it only removes something like 90% (per soaking) of it IIRC. Then you eat the poisonous mushrooms, and they're delicious.

      In the same way the 10% (I just made up that number for the point) of UV that gets past your own lens is still bad. 1% or even less that gets past shades and your eye is much better. Shades are only needed occasionally because the difference in solar UV probably varies by several orders of magnitude.

    75. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would it make the posters I bought in the 70's light up?

    76. Re:Cool by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Normally, when light changes from one medium into another, its wavelength changes because of differences in the speed of light within the new medium. However, when it leaves that medium and enters the original medium again, the wavelength goes right back to what it was before because the frequency of the light is constant.

      In order to result in a permanent change to the color of the light, the frequency would have to change. I'm not aware of any material that changes the frequency of light as it passes through, and I'd be very surprised if such a material existed. The closest thing that I'm aware of are phosphors, where light is absorbed and converted into stored energy, and then is later emitted at a fixed frequency/wavelength, IIRC. It seems very unlikely that you'd have such materials inside a lens, however.

      It seems far more likely that this is caused by the plastic lenses not absorbing, reflecting, or diffusing as much UV as the bag of fluid that forms your body's natural lens. Occam's razor and all that.

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    77. Re:Cool by Pharmboy · · Score: 1

      Would it make the posters I bought in the 70's light up?

      Yes it would, but not as inexpensively as a black light from Spenser's. These aren't cheap and require somewhat specialized ballasts. These lights have a center frequency response around 370nm, while blacklights are closer to 390nm+, so I don't know if they would so better or worse.

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    78. Re:Cool by russotto · · Score: 1

      If its pigment then White is the absence of pigment, and Black is all pigments combined.

      The absence of pigment is usually clear or translucent. White comes from white pigment such as titanium dioxide. Black comes from black pigment; mixing a bunch of non-white, non-black pigments together generally gets you a muddy brown.

    79. Re:Cool by xmas2003 · · Score: 1

      LOL on the "engineering masterpiece and marketing nightmare" - shame this type of stuff happens. I actually spent a ridiculous amount of time trying to find flashlights that don't bleed into the visible spectrum - it's really hard to find spectral power distribution ... plus if you have flaws in the glass/plastic covering (or "wrong" material), it will fluoresce into the visible.

      So give me a holler if you have an extra one of those lights around - "Captain UV" would love to take it for a spin! ;-)

      P.S. Your description of how other people would see it as black and I see it as violet is exactly correct - I tried to show that on the first picture of my webpage - note the poly carbonate glasses and UV filter, both of which dramatically change the look for me ... but not for others.

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    80. Re:Cool by anyanka · · Score: 1

      A bird says: Hey baby, I may be pretty bland compared to other potential mates, but check out my superfine UV colored feathers, oh yeh! Oh they just look like a dull brown... damnit, if only I had an advanced brain and opposable thumbs I could invent a black light and get laid.

      Fortunately for the bird, it wouldn't need any inventions to show off its nice UV-coloured feathers, since the potential mate can already see them.

      Some birds of prey (like the kestrel) can even follow the trail of UV-reflecting urine scent marks left by its prey – just like a CSI detective.

    81. Re:Cool by Burning1 · · Score: 1

      I would presume that with a little experience, he'll learn that that particular shade of purple looks like black to most other people, and will learn to correctly identify the object in question. He could do this for the same reason that when a man says he like a red scarf, a woman realizes he's probably referring to the burgandy one.

      There's a huge difference between not being able to differentiate two colors, and seeing two colors where someone else only sees one.

    82. Re:Cool by Cochonou · · Score: 1

      You might want to learn about nonlinear optics and second harmonic generation (what we usually call frequency doubling). But this is just out of curiosity. As you said, the human lens is known to act as an UV filter.

    83. Re:Cool by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      I'm peripherally aware of that, but deliberately ignored it because A. AFAIK the nonlinearity only occurs at insanely intense light levels (e.g. pulse lasers), and B. it results in a shift towards a higher frequency, i.e. in the wrong direction to make UV visible. Making infrared visible, perhaps....

      Along the same lines, I also ignored the Doppler effect under the assumption that the new lenses probably did not cause the wearer to accelerate to nearly the speed of light away from the UV source.... :-)

      It's certainly academically interesting, though.

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    84. Re:Cool by St.Creed · · Score: 1

      True. You can get this on a CD too, by the way, so you can actually get pretty silent :)

      Interesting: are all CD's you buy in violation of copyright? No - the length of the silence is different.

      Question two: and what if I create a work that says "80 minutes of silence". Could I kill the blank CD industry by suing them?

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    85. Re:Cool by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      Yes, Priests are the only people to wear actual black clothes.

    86. Re:Cool by JosKarith · · Score: 1

      It's incredibly useful in UV-lit nightclubs - where everyone else can't see sh1t you can see clearly, hence avoiding any awkward moments when the lights come on and you think "Oh dear Glub what was I kissing?"
      Of course it does nothing for beer goggles - if that's the problem all you can hope for is the defensive reaction of brewer's droop...

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    87. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We all have Neutrino Vision when one actually interacts.

    88. Re:Cool by nahdude812 · · Score: 1

      I've talked to some meat-space people about blacklights, and what I see is definitely more visible to me than typical blacklight light is to most people. Interestingly my brother, who is one of the people I asked, sees them like I do.

      What I see is a very bright dark purple, if that makes sense. It's a very deep purple, but it's not dim at all, the room is well lit by this light. In a completely dark room lit only by blacklights, I'd have no more trouble navigating than if it were lit only by some other color of light. Some stuff appears black under this light, such as even caucasian human skin. Some stuff floresces and is a bright shade of whatever color it usually floresces (that's what I gather most people see from a blacklight). But most stuff is just heavily washed over with a purple light.

    89. Re:Cool by twrake · · Score: 1

      I spend the early '80 going blind in my left eye from a disease process, I had a cataract removed from my left eye in 1986 and I did not get an implant. About six months later I noticed this violet glow in my left eye as I entered a strip bar, there were black lights behind the bar, the typical ones we used to use with the posters. UV light enhancement was one of the considerations I made when choosing not to have an implant which were new at that time. All in all, the the UV enhancement is not that spectacular or useful and occasionally just annoying.

    90. Re:Cool by thejynxed · · Score: 1

      Blacklights also annoy me. They are kind of bright to me and give me headaches after awhile. To be honest, I look at the bulbs and they look like a bright combination of violet purple at the edges of the bulb and fierce magenta in center where the filament is. It's almost like taking a purple tinted glass and using it to stare at the sun for a short period of time.

      Also, I am one of those people who can get by with wearing sunglasses even at night. I am extremely sensitive to night-time lighting. Halogen and sodium bulbs are the worst (I want to kill the person responsible for blue halogen headlights - they freaking blind me).

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    91. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be handy during the home invasion. You can throw the switch to kill the standard lights and activate the 365nm lights. Won't the burglars be sorry they broke into your house? During the day (in you job as a mild-mannered blind attorney) you can wear your special extra dark glasses to protect your eyes from regular UV.

    92. Re:Cool by AaronLS · · Score: 1

      Very interesting. I was simply theorizing based on the previous commenter's claim that very little in nature was UV reflective.

    93. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not true - priest robes are not really black. Wearing black wizard robe top + black priest robe bottom is noticeably two-tone. To get a true color match for your black wizard robe hat and top, you have to get a plain old black skirt from the clothes shop in Varrock.

      Then again, Runescape decided to spit in the faces of its non-paying players by deleting their accomplishments from the hiscores, so I haven't been playing it lately. Protesting and such.

    94. Re:Cool by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Not exactly silence in that case, but ambient.

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  2. Can you read this? by Pirulo · · Score: 5, Funny



    If you can't read the line above. Then you don't have UV vision.

    1. Re:Can you read this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you fail it.

    2. Re:Can you read this? by AioKits · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you can't read the line above. Then you don't have UV vision.

      Be sure to drink your Ovaltine.
      Ovaltine? A crummy commercial? Son of a bitch!

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    3. Re:Can you read this? by jank1887 · · Score: 5, Funny

      rickrolled again. well played sir.

    4. Re:Can you read this? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1


      If you can't read the line above. Then you don't have UV vision.

      I can read it, and my answer is: you lose, Anonymous Coward was 1 minute faster than you!

    5. Re:Can you read this? by g0bshiTe · · Score: 1

      Now that's funny.

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    6. Re:Can you read this? by youn · · Score: 1

      can anyone tell me what the poster above wrote? I can't seem to be able to read it :p

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    7. Re:Can you read this? by CSMoran · · Score: 1

      can anyone tell me what the poster above wrote? I can't seem to be able to read it :p

      He wrote his /. password. Apparently it is made invisible when posted.

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    8. Re:Can you read this? by Defenestrar · · Score: 2

      In HTML that's: GGGGGG, right? (What, can't do septadecimal for the augmented minority)?

    9. Re:Can you read this? by spire3661 · · Score: 0

      Did you know when you post your slashdot password, slashdot knows and puts in all ********* instead to protect you? Neat, you should try it! No really, its awesome!

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    10. Re:Can you read this? by JeanCroix · · Score: 1

      fnord.

    11. Re:Can you read this? by spickus · · Score: 1

      12345

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    12. Re:Can you read this? by Theaetetus · · Score: 1

      Did you know when you post your slashdot password, slashdot knows and puts in all ********* instead to protect you? Neat, you should try it! No really, its awesome!

      Wow! Well, then you can go hunter2 my hunter2-ing hunter2!

    13. Re:Can you read this? by B1oodAnge1 · · Score: 1

      How did you get my Luggage password?!

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    14. Re:Can you read this? by Mr+Z · · Score: 1

      Careful with that superpower. You'll put your eye out.

    15. Re:Can you read this? by cp.tar · · Score: 1

      Let me test: hunter2.
      Hmmm. It seems I still see my password after clicking Preview.

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    16. Re:Can you read this? by jones_supa · · Score: 3, Funny

      Let me test: *******.

      Hmmm. It seems I still see my password after clicking Preview.

      Only applies for you. As you can see from the quote above, it's not shown to others.

    17. Re:Can you read this? by AaronLS · · Score: 1

      As a kid, that commercial really had me. When I finally tasted the stuff, I thought it was disgusting.

    18. Re:Can you read this? by evanism · · Score: 1

      What was the RGB you used? I can't even see it in the HTML!

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    19. Re:Can you read this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My password is "**********" you insensitive clod!

    20. Re:Can you read this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your password is Hunter2?

    21. Re:Can you read this? by cp.tar · · Score: 1

      Luckily, you did not copy and paste the stars, or I would have seen my own password again and I might have not believed you.

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  3. Come back... by Brannoncyll · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...when you have X-ray vision!

    Seriously though, as someone who has a hearing range beyond the standard I sympathise with people forced to endure irritating stimuli that noone else notices and hence cares about. I remember having to leave a bar once because the tube was going on their old television; the high pitched screech was like nails down a blackboard. My girlfriend thought I was mad.

    1. Re:Come back... by SJHillman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Having hearing aids can be much the same, only its possible (but usually very inconvenient) to take them out. Since starting at a medical facility, I've had several instances of my hearing aids picking up incredibly high pitched noise to the point where I had to leave the building. No one else even noticed there was a noise, much less one that powerful.

    2. Re:Come back... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sonic motion detectors frequently drive me crazy.

    3. Re:Come back... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen...the worst offenders for me are the "silent" alarms. They had one in my middle school and I got sent to the principal's office because I covered my ears when it went off and the teacher thought I was being disrespectful.

    4. Re:Come back... by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 2

      You dont need to have beyond normal hearing range to be irritated
      You just need to be young
      My home router emits a crazy pitch when its under heavy load, my laptop does it when on idle for a long time and my CRT does it always, but its noticeable when the audio is muted. Some tubelights ,power adaptors and voltage transformers do it as well
      But its rarely audible to the 30+ year olds

    5. Re:Come back... by twotacocombo · · Score: 2

      I can hear pretty much any tube TV, good or bad. My friends parents constantly turn off the cable box but leave the TV on with a black screen. The power light stopped working ages ago, but I sure know when it's on, and have to go turn it off. It's a horrible sound that you almost feel more than you hear. And then there are those people who can't even hear the smoke detector low battery chirp. Sometimes I envy them...

    6. Re:Come back... by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Don't hearing aids have magnetic detectors to work with telephones better? If that's the case with your hearing aids, you might be detecting high frequency magnetics that other people won't be able to hear.

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    7. Re:Come back... by jpapon · · Score: 1

      I know exactly what you mean about the tube TVs. I've gotten used to it now, but it used to amaze me that other people couldn't tell the TV was on when it had the "black screen". The sound was so obvious to me, it was like they were saying they couldn't tell if a car engine was running.

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    8. Re:Come back... by Mashiki · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I have tinnitus, and can hear the whine of tubed TV's, tubed radio's(I own one), power adapters, various tube lights, and all that over top of it. I'm in my mid 30's. Actually it aggravates my tinnitus to the point where I need to put in ear plugs so the *weeeeennnneeeeeeee* doesn't get any worse.

      Generally anything above what people consider "whisper quiet" I find loud. Probably has something to do with the head injury 14 years ago, but I had sensitive hearing when I was a kid, but it's only gotten more-so as I've gotten older. Though my neurologist can't find anything wrong, neither can any other specialist I've been to.

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    9. Re:Come back... by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Go to more concerts and sit by the speakers, or gun ranges without hearing protection... it'll take care of that irritating super-hearing for you right quick.

    10. Re:Come back... by gknoy · · Score: 1, Funny

      You can tell when a car engine is running???

    11. Re:Come back... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can hear pretty much any tube TV, good or bad. My friends parents constantly turn off the cable box but leave the TV on with a black screen. The power light stopped working ages ago, but I sure know when it's on, and have to go turn it off. It's a horrible sound that you almost feel more than you hear. And then there are those people who can't even hear the smoke detector low battery chirp. Sometimes I envy them...

      You can't hear anything when you're dead. Old age will slowly take you toward this final destination.

    12. Re:Come back... by jeffmeden · · Score: 2

      I notice very annoying "Bloom" around blacklight UV sources (much like he described in his blag) that is only present when I am not wearing glasses; meaning the light registering is almost certainly UV. Does anyone give a shit? No. And this is with stock eyes (something a lot of people probably experience); I can't imagine how annoyingly worthless his "power" is if it is improved beyond that.

    13. Re:Come back... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      And then there are those people who can't even hear the smoke detector low battery chirp. Sometimes I envy them...

      LOL, I think I have the opposite problem. My wife is constantly amazed that I can pretty much hear anything which goes "beep" in the house -- even if I'm watching a movie at fairly loud volumes, I've paused it and said "your cell phone just rang". Half the time she just shakes her head and wonders how the hell I hear this stuff.

      I don't have abnormally good hearing or anything, but apparently electronic sounds are something I pick up pretty readily. Maybe I'm just more aware of those kinds of noises.

      Though, I've certainly been driven out of rooms because fluorescent light fixtures are emitting what I consider an annoying whine when almost nobody else seems to hear it. Still not sure of why that would be ... as I said, my hearing tests come out pretty standard with the usual high frequency loss for someone in his 40's.

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    14. Re:Come back... by Alioth · · Score: 2

      I'm almost 40, TVs with tubes are still easy to hear. At least in one ear (I tried out my ears kind of non-scientifically the other week with my signal generator set to sine wave and the 10kHz scale and a decent set of headphones, my left ear almost gets to 18kHz, my right ear struggles to get above 15 or so. I know some years ago both could get to almost 18)

    15. Re:Come back... by Bengie · · Score: 1

      I hate that "bloom". My eyes ache from it. Black lights in my field of view hurts my eyes.

    16. Re:Come back... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have the same symptoms. Tinnitus + sensitivity to loud sounds + able to hear the annoying ultra-sonic car alarm (not all, just the ones that are near 20kHz) and TV tubes. My tinnitus began after an uncle of mine tried to light a firework and it blew right there, instead of taking flight. I was 6yo at the time. I am actually schedule to see an otologist because of the tinnitus.
      Funny enough, the tinnitus seems pretty loud, but I still can hear very quiet sounds and my tests are all normal for sensitivity.

    17. Re:Come back... by fruitbane · · Score: 2

      Is has to do with the magnetism. I work in a library, and we have magnetic gates that detect active Tattle Tape strips in our books. If I'm wearing earphones when I pass through the gates they give off a high-pitched whine due to the magnetic influence on the speakers.

    18. Re:Come back... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...when you have X-ray vision!

      Seriously though, as someone who has a hearing range beyond the standard I sympathise with people forced to endure irritating stimuli that noone else notices and hence cares about. I remember having to leave a bar once because the tube was going on their old television; the high pitched screech was like nails down a blackboard. My girlfriend thought I was mad.

      As someone who has a hearing sensitivity beyond the standard, please, whisper quieter, and what is so damned interesting about my hair in the first place?

    19. Re:Come back... by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I had the same problem until I was in my mid-tweties. I could hear VERY high frequency sound. The ear doctors equipment tested me all the way up to the limit of his testing equipment. I could "hear" when the headlights were turned on in a car. I could hear radio towers when we drove by them. It was so high pitched it was more like I felt the noise than heard it, it was very hard for me to pin-point the source, it was not very "Directional"

      But then, some time when I was around the age of 23, I went to a Motorhead concert. It cured me. I couldn't hear AT ALL for 2 days after the show, but after the ringing finally subsided I had normal hearing. Thank you Lemmy.

    20. Re:Come back... by omnichad · · Score: 2

      Probably because a lot of glasses filter out UV light to protect your eyes.

    21. Re:Come back... by robably · · Score: 1

      I'm 38 and had the same symptoms as you (tinnitus in my left ear, ability to hear high-pitched sounds) until early last year when I found I was losing the ability to hear high pitched sounds because I could no longer hear the Mosquito alarm. I consider it quite a sad loss. There's an Animal Collective album called Danse Manatee that has plenty of high-pitched sounds on it, and I know I'm missing something when I listen to it now. Again, my tinnitus started with a physical injury to the ear.

    22. Re:Come back... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tinnitus is the ear's "phantom limb" pain. There are treatments available.

    23. Re:Come back... by nschubach · · Score: 1

      What bothers me are blue Christmas lights. Several of the shopping centers around here adorn their trees with all blue Christmas lights and I can't seem to focus on the lights to distinguish them. It's just bright blue annoyance.

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    24. Re:Come back... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Is it possible that the pupil dilates/contracts based on levels of (what we typically call) visible light, but not invisible light?
      If so, it would be along the lines of looking at a light that is a tad bit too bright, but your pupil isn't dilating accordingly, thus over-saturating your retina.

      Take lasers for example. The light levels in a typical pointer (5mW) are enough to cause damage, but the blink reflex helps prevent damage to your retina. The lower power laser can't cook spots into your retina before you blink away, whereas a higher power one could.
      Infrared lasers cause damage similar to visible lasers at the same power levels, except you don't blink away from an infrared laser thus even a 0.5mW laser could be enough to cause damage. I would imagine that a UV laser wouldn't trigger the blink reflex either and, like infrared lasers, would cause damage at power levels that would be 'harmless' with visible lasers.

      Any laser/UV/ocular experts out there who can shed some more light?

    25. Re:Come back... by Mr+Z · · Score: 1

      I just had an image of Nigel Tufnel pointing to his left ear after such a test saying "This one goes to 11 . . . kHz."

    26. Re:Come back... by Phreakiture · · Score: 1

      The frequency you hear is the horizontal refresh. This frequency is going to be around 15.5 kHz, give or take a little (the exact frequency depends on whether the TV is PAL/SECAM or NTSC) and it is just flat-out beyond the hearing range of many people.

      You should not hear mine, though. It is an early-model HDTV (yes, it is a CRT), and only runs 480p or 1080i (if you give it 480i, it upscales it to 480p; 720p is not supported). The equivalent frequency for 480p is 31 kHz and for 1080i is also something ultrasonic; I don't know what. I can't hear it, but I sure can hear the older NTSC tubes. This is the same deal as with older CRT computer monitors -- VGA started at 31 kHz and went up from there.

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    27. Re:Come back... by Streetlight · · Score: 1

      My wife can hear the sounds of ultra-sonic motion detectors use in retail stores.

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    28. Re:Come back... by __aasdno7518 · · Score: 1

      ...when you have X-ray vision!

      Seriously though, as someone who has a hearing range beyond the standard I sympathise with people forced to endure irritating stimuli that noone else notices and hence cares about..

      I have the same problem..Above average hearing and I've been tested to confirm this...Sounds that are not loud to everyone else are REALLY loud for me.Needless to say,I have worn ear plugs and ear protectors most of my life.

    29. Re:Come back... by CowTipperGore · · Score: 1

      I've suffered from tinnitus as long as I can remember although I didn't know what it was until about 10 years ago. I'm in my mid-30s and find most tube TVs drive me crazy. This weekend I was at my parents' (who finally replaced their whine-generating large CRT television) and kept hearing a high-pitched sound. No one else heard it but I finally tracked it down to their new LCD television that was turned on but displaying a black screen because the cable box was off. The squeal from my laptop is one reason that I always have music playing at work.

    30. Re:Come back... by T-Bone-T · · Score: 1

      My old laptop's graphivs card emitted a high-pitched squeal when it was under load. It wan't very loud so it was only mildly annoying.

    31. Re:Come back... by JigJag · · Score: 4, Interesting

      33 years-old here. After reading your post, I decided to retry the Mosquito test.
      In normal conditions, I can't hear it, but there is a trick to hear it if you want. The idea is to increase the pressure in your inner hear (akin to compressing when scuba-diving: you pinch your nose while blowing air through the nostrils). Then, I can hear it clearly.

      The opposite is true by the way. If you want to decrease your hearing (like when at a concert or riding a train/subway): under-compress the inner hear. Close your mouth and pinch your nose while taking in some air forcefully. Immediate and temporary noise reduction in the order of 15 to 20 decibels if done right. I even found a way to do it without pinching the nose. To reset, yawn.

      JigJag

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    32. Re:Come back... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      For some reason I no longer remember, the [human] eye favours red & green for focusing. For this reason, blue is a bad colour for large amounts of text or fine detail.

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    33. Re:Come back... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It used to be, with land lines, that the old telephones used magnetic resonance in the speakers, so it was customary for hearing aids to pick this up. But all my hearing aids had a specific mode for that, to filter out all else & make it easier to listen on the phone if you could hear that much. Digital hearing aids may or may not still have this capability -- mine do, but I'm not sure all do, since cellphones use different technology for the sound and it's just not much useful anymore.

      That said, I once had mine with the MR turned on and when I exited the store, through those anti-shoplifting gates they sometimes have, I heard such a squeal/growl sort of sound I jumped about ten feet in the air -- no one else heard it. I'm much more used to not hearing things that bug other people!

    34. Re:Come back... by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      I can't imagine how annoyingly worthless his "power" is if it is improved beyond that.

      Really? Well let me tell you a little story: I was sitting in an office with two other dudes and the life supp... central air went out. The office had gone to Staples and purchased us a couple of fans. The fans came with a remote control, which I knew about but nobody else did. Every once in a while I'd randomly turn on the fan, which would generate some curiosity amongst my office-mates. "Why did that thing come on?" I really was hoping they'd suspect ghosts!

      Well, no, they were smarter than that. While away from my desk they found the remote. They thought it'd be cute to sabotage it.

      I came back to my desk and the remote was sitting there. I knew I had been found out. Half an hour later, one of the guys goes "Hey, can you turn the fan on?" I smiled and aimed the remote, and ... nothing. I cracked open the case, the batteries were there. A quick glance at the fan showed that the IR receiver wasn't blocked. What could be causing this? When I flipped over the remote again the two office-mates started chuckling.

      Knowing they did something to it, I whipped out my cell phone and started diddling with the remote. "What are you doin, charging it up? Heh heh heh." A moment later I opened up the case, pulled out the batteries, flipped them around, plugged them back in, and had the fan running. Their smiling stopped. "What'd you do?"

      I then gave them a quick lesson on digital cameras. I could tell from the phone's camera that the remote's IR bulb wasn't blinking. That told me the batteries weren't inserted properly (or maybe had tape blocking the contacts) and quickly diagnosed the problem.

      Now... just imagine if I had done that WITHOUT the cell phone! Superpower, indeed!

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    35. Re:Come back... by simoncpu+was+here · · Score: 1

      I used to experience this when I was young. Pentium II processors were bothersome because they made all these high pitched noises during processor-intensive operations. In some instances, I could even hear distinct sounds for each character whenever someone types using Wordstar or Newsmaster. It went away as I grew older...

    36. Re:Come back... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      What bothers me are blue Christmas lights. Several of the shopping centers around here adorn their trees with all blue Christmas lights and I can't seem to focus on the lights to distinguish them. It's just bright blue annoyance.

      Years ago there was a commercial building with a lighted sign on it near where I lived. The sign was a very deep blue, and a very bright red.

      At night, I could see one or the other, but not both since they were on the opposite ends of the spectrum. It was truly evil -- your eyes just couldn't resolve both colors at the same time in the dark.

      Could have been just me, but it definitely caused some brain pain. Sadly, I had to drive by it pretty often, and I just tried to not look at it because it was so damned hard on the eyes.

      I've definitely seen that some deep blue lights just come up as a blur. Not sure why they go with that particular color. I had always assumed everyone else saw it the same way.

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    37. Re:Come back... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aaaand I have tinnitus and above-average high-frequency hearing as well. I wonder if they go together for some reason.

    38. Re:Come back... by yurtinus · · Score: 1

      And yet when your wife asks you to take out the trash, you never hear it. Fascinating how our senses work!

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    39. Re:Come back... by What'sInAName · · Score: 1

      Yup, that's an excellent description of what it's like -- I think I actually described it that way ("feeling" it rather than hearing it) once actually. I only found it mildly annoying though. I always thought it was a cool (if somewhat useless) "superpower."

      Nice to see I'm not the only one. I worked in a computer lab in college for a bit and would always be the one to walk around and turn off the CRT monitors that had been left on at the end of the day (though with a room full of them, it still takes a bit of time -- the sound isn't particularly directional). Never found anyone else around who knew what the hell I was talking about until now.

    40. Re:Come back... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have to have hearing beyond normal to hear old TVs, you just need to have less age-related degeneration than normal. What you're hearing is the 17.5 kHz from the flyback transformer (the signal actually makes the transformer core move, like a mini-speaker). 17.5 kHz is the horizontal line scan rate for NTSC.

      I used to be able to hear it as a kid, but my tinnitus got worse to the point where I hear it all the time now, even if there's no TV. My hearing aids don't actually amplify that frequency, but I did have a set that used an automatic gain to change volume with the environment, and it was hell when I was in a room with an ultrasonic motion detector. Since these create standing wave patterns, there were "dead spots" all over the room where my aids would pick up the loud ultrasonics and all but turn themselves off. Great during lectures. >_

    41. Re:Come back... by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      Didn't you read? it's hearing aids, so it's aids of the ear.

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    42. Re:Come back... by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      Your old laptop had a CRT screen?

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    43. Re:Come back... by yurtinus · · Score: 1

      I could "hear" when the headlights were turned on in a car.

      This is interesting... Most headlights in cars have no oscillating anything that would be audible, except possibly some of the fancy pants Xenon whatevermajigs. I wonder if you were hearing it through the car speakers. Most car stereos don't do much to isolate the output to the speakers from noise on the 12 volt power source. That, and an alternator doesn't give a perfect output, there will be electrical noise that will vary depending on the load.

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    44. Re:Come back... by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I can hear the high pitched squeal from certain electronics. Back when my parents had a CRT television that they'd keep hidden in a cabinent, I could walk in and tell if they had it on (and muted) or if it was off.

      It never really bothered me, though, and now I mostly ignore it. I have to concentrate to hear it now.

    45. Re:Come back... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have Tinnitus since I did a student job in a metal rolling factory. Whenever the tones get too irretating I just concentrate on the weird black spots in my eye sight.

    46. Re:Come back... by jeffmeden · · Score: 1

      Let me keep this short: your amazingly long story is purely about IR emissions which are *very* far from UV on the spectrum.

    47. Re:Come back... by Megane · · Score: 1

      Or when you can see Squant without the plug-in.

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    48. Re:Come back... by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      I just wanted to tell that story.

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    49. Re:Come back... by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 1

      Graphics card == CRT screen??

    50. Re:Come back... by safetyinnumbers · · Score: 1

      This is interesting... Most headlights in cars have no oscillating anything that would be audible,

      It's true, I can tell that I've left my lights on, too. Something near the fusebox whines. My car has a 'lights-on' warning beep if I open the door, but this sound starts the moment I turn the engine off. It must come from the alarm circuit.

      I'm one of these sound-sensitive people. I'm very aware of subtle changes in noises, such as a failing PC fan, or electrical devices left on unexpectedly.

    51. Re:Come back... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't imagine how annoyingly worthless his "power" is if it is improved beyond that.

      Oh come on. Did you even RTFA? He has a picture of himself wearing "Hulk Hands" and the whole superpower thing is a big joke.

      Do you have a sense of humor at all?

    52. Re:Come back... by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      All kinds of electronics can emit high-frequency whine.

    53. Re:Come back... by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      Thanks. I have many times wondered why one can't hear the similar squeal from computer monitors. :)

    54. Re:Come back... by j2.718ff · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I absolutely hate black lights for this reason. It never occurred to me that perhaps others don't as much of this spectrum as I do.

    55. Re:Come back... by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      Well, that's exactly why he hears all the details so well - he filters out all the trash from the signal.

    56. Re:Come back... by karnal · · Score: 1

      Had this exact same thing happen to me. Firecracker near left ear, around 13 or 14. Sucks. Tinnitus seems to come and go depending on my diet and sleep pattern (either that or I can just ignore it easier) but I am SO HAPPY I don't have a Tube TV anymore as the main TV in my house.

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    57. Re:Come back... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is trying the obvious thing first really a superpower?

    58. Re:Come back... by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, when it jogs past you...

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    59. Re:Come back... by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      Have you heard the old electronic Coleco football winning noise, during the Supertramp song "The Logical Song"? It's around 3:23, just after the lyric "digital", which is somewhat difficult to hear. I really liked noticing that, way back in college.

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    60. Re:Come back... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently reading comprehension is.

    61. Re:Come back... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still have this issue. At night it's the worst, because most of the background noises drop out. I often times end up doing a tour of the living room or bedroom to turn off the "loud" electronics devices in the room.

      No one else seems to be able to hear them, but I can hear them from 20+ feet away easily.

    62. Re:Come back... by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

      Agreed. If I walked around enough and checked for where it got louder and not, I would eventually make my way to a wire or the headlight itself.

      My hearing, despite not having that high range anymore, is still very acute. If I have my eyes closed and something leaves a room, I can hear the enough in the difference in the acoustics of the room to know that someone or something left. Imagine walking into a room that you are used to, that is normally full of furniture, but is now totally empty. You'd notice just by the ambient sound in the room that something was different. I can sense that when it's something as small as a chair or small table. I think a LOT of people have that sort of ability and just mistake it for a 6th sense or something silly.

      I think there are people that have a sense of taste that is similar to my hearing. Good cooks can taste something and tell you different ingredients in it. That's more than training... that's an innate ability.

    63. Re:Come back... by norminator · · Score: 1

      My college library had these audio tape tours back in the day, and you were required to take them as part of the entry-level English class. One of the first stops was the newly-built Periodicals section. The tape instructed you to walk into the section, but didn't warn you to take off the headphones before walking through the magnetic gates.

      Ouch.

    64. Re:Come back... by treeves · · Score: 2

      "...increase the pressure in your inner hear (akin to compressing when scuba-diving: you pinch your nose while blowing air through the nostrils)"

      Also called Valsalva maneuver.

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    65. Re:Come back... by MarkRose · · Score: 1

      Try taking magnesium. You may have a deficiency. I ran into a similar issue where the sensation of sound was getting intense, although I had no increased sensitivity. Magnesium supplementation fixed it. Magnesium citrate works great, but don't take too much at once as it's also a laxative.

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    66. Re:Come back... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was so high pitched it was more like I felt the noise than heard it, it was very hard for me to pin-point the source, it was not very "Directional"

      I suspect that's more due to the nature of the sound rather than the frequency. Pretty much everything you hear in that range (I also have extended upper range hearing, so I know what you mean) is either electrical (radio masts, transformers etc) or specifically generated to be above human hearing (the mosquito youth-deterrent, or cat-scarers) where they've used a single frequency generator for cheapness.

      At any frequency, you can't accurately place a simple single-pitched noise because a lot of directional sense comes from picking up the way different frequencies interact. That's why many countries have updated their emergency service vehicle sirens; most were two-tone 15-20 years ago, they generally cover a much wider range now so drivers can hear them coming better.

    67. Re:Come back... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have to agree with everything you and the previous poster said.

      the flyback transformer in CRT's, various power supplies (like laptop power bricks) and some other situations like visiting my parents, and tinnitus would become so loud, it was impairing trying to sleep.

      like right now. The room is silent except for a high pitch noise that is coming either from the lights, or any of the 30 some odd power bricks plugged into a UPS. The only noise that isn't in that high pitch spectrum is the CPU and PSU fan in the main computer. The macmini, and external hard drives only make noise when they are spun up.

    68. Re:Come back... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's just chromatic aberration. Red and blue focus at different slightly different depths past the lens in your eye. red light focuses better on most people's eyes than blue does. Since LED lights are pretty close to monochromatic light sources...

    69. Re:Come back... by Killall+-9+Bash · · Score: 2

      No doubt the result of aural sex.

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    70. Re:Come back... by Lvdata · · Score: 1

      For this reason alone I was glad about the switch to HDTV. ALL NTSC CRT's are annoying and I had to turn them up loud to mask out the whine.

    71. Re:Come back... by jago25_98 · · Score: 1

      all this hearing is very interesting.
      I can hear electrical extention cables.

      And this is where it gets really odd. I'm sure i can tell something in the electrics inside walls.

      The thing is, if you actually go somewhere with no electricity for the first time it's like being shown something really special. Even a quiet beach usually has a cable a few hundered metres away and to not even have that i'm sure has an influence on people.

      I appreciate this is a bit hard to believe but i'm sure it has to be more than sound. Possibly you might think you're hearing something when you're not. It really can be imagination but also i really do believe it can also be something else

    72. Re:Come back... by treeves · · Score: 1

      Probably true.
      As an example, you can probably see a word between "don't" and "as much" in your post above, and my browser is rendering it in near UV so I can't see it at all!

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    73. Re:Come back... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...I love you.
      And god save Lemmy!

    74. Re:Come back... by zandeez · · Score: 1

      This is why I have no CRT screens in my house!

    75. Re:Come back... by cyclomedia · · Score: 1

      I would have just TRIED reversing the batteries, you're suffering from overgizmofication.

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    76. Re:Come back... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most people ~35 and quite a few beyond that age hear the characteristic high-pitched sound made by CRT TV's. Its only around 15.6kHz.

    77. Re:Come back... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You got sent to the principal's office for covering your ears?

    78. Re:Come back... by SysDaemon · · Score: 1

      Ceramic capacitors can squeal. Probably the power supply.

    79. Re:Come back... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I even found a way to do it without pinching the nose.

      Pray tell, what part of your body do you pinch instead?

  4. human eye lenses are naturally yellow/brown by waterbear · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Seeing UV after cataract surgery proabbly isn't a 'tetrachromic' effect. Human eye lenses are naturally yellow at birth, browner as we get older, browner still and they start being called 'cataracts'. They filter out the UV at any age. So the retina never usually gets a chance to try out its UV-seeing ability using its basic trichromatic receptor kit.

    -wb-

    1. Re:human eye lenses are naturally yellow/brown by philpalm · · Score: 2

      Most digital viewfinders can see infrared signals. Flash a tv remote towards a viewing camera and you can see light flashing at you from the remote.

    2. Re:human eye lenses are naturally yellow/brown by pz · · Score: 3, Informative

      Moreover, any plastic or (especially) glass lens you wear in a pair of frames will filter some-to-most of the UV even if the lens isn't specifically marketed to do that. Regular old glass filters out about 80% of UV. For polycarbonate (a/k/a CR-39, the standard eyeglass lens material), blocks nearly all of UVC, most of UVB, but passes much of UVA (blocks about 60%). Polycarbonate is often coated or treated with a UV-opaque dye for lenses that are marketed as UV-blocking.

      Normally, the anterior anatomy of the eye, including the crystalline lens, blocks most of UVA, so having an artificial lens implanted and then not wearing glasses would make one sensitive to UVA, and possibly UVB. Given that it would be stimulating the S (short wavelength) pigments, it probably would look intensely blue, but I'd have to check the spectra of the L (long) and M (medium) pigments to be certain ... might just appear whiteish.

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    3. Re:human eye lenses are naturally yellow/brown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm a solar astronomer. The Ca II K line at 3933A is important to us in order to view the solar chromosphere. Twenty years ago I could see this line just fine (with a suitable filter). Now at 54 I can no longer see it. Of course for our purposes we use digital cameras anyway, so we can treat this line just as we treat other UV or IR wavelengths. Still, it would be nice to be able to _see_ it again.

    4. Re:human eye lenses are naturally yellow/brown by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      The sensitivity of all the pigments decays fairly similarly below about 420 nm so UV probably looks just like violet.

    5. Re:human eye lenses are naturally yellow/brown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Seeing UV after cataract surgery proabbly isn't a 'tetrachromic' effect. Human eye lenses are naturally yellow at birth, browner as we get older, browner still and they start being called 'cataracts'. They filter out the UV at any age. So the retina never usually gets a chance to try out its UV-seeing ability using its basic trichromatic receptor kit.

      -wb-

      I remember watching a TV documentary where some dude had received plastic corneas following surgery to replace his own which had cataracts discovered he could see UV light as well. Turns out the manufacture had produced a defective batch that did not filter UV spectrum. If we all wanted to see UV we probably could by removing our corneas and replacing them with ones that do not filter. Probably not a DIY job.

    6. Re:human eye lenses are naturally yellow/brown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah I can SEE your username at the top of your post, douchebag. But I guess you're someone special so, unlike everyone else, you need a sig to make your identity more prominent?

      -wb-

    7. Re:human eye lenses are naturally yellow/brown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Polycarbonate isn't the same thing as CR-39. Polycarbonate has a higher index of refraction but much worse chromatic aberration (abbe value). Polycarbonate lenses drive me crazy but CR-39 is fine.

  5. Be a Bee! Add polarized contact lenses! by wisebabo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I read somewhere (on the net of a million lies) that Bees (and other insects) can see polarized light. Then you can see flowers in a whole way (and maybe better find your way home).

    Or get circularly polarized contact lenses and see like a mantis shrimp!

  6. Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What an awesome super power!

  7. Did it remove ability at the "red" end ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In other words, does your new ability simply "shift" frequencies ?

  8. Try Some Astronomy by Iskender · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The relatively bright star Adhara (Epsilon Canis Majoris) is actually the brightest star in the sky in UV light. Of course you don't have pure UV vision but rather just a bit more UV bias.

    However, since you seem to enjoy an experiment I suggest going somewhere where at least the brightest stars are visible, and comparing relative brightnesses between stars with a person with average vision.

    Some background and a chart for Adhara below. It's close to Sirius which in turn is easy to find by using the belt of Orion.
    http://stars.astro.illinois.edu/sow/adhara.html
    http://www.rocketmime.com/astronomy/fig/CanisMajor_wAdhara.gif

  9. Re:Be a Bee! Add polarized contact lenses! by RDW · · Score: 3, Interesting
  10. Curses! by flyingsquid · · Score: 4, Funny
    WHAT???? A man has come forward who can see into the ultraviolet?!!??? This cannot be!!!

    I, the evil mutant Darklight, am the only one with power over the ultraviolet spectrum. If another emerged with such powers, it would threaten my Ultimate Ultraviolet plot for world domination. I must alert my co-conspirators Nucleon and Cheetahface and see if they can learn more about this "xmas2003". A curious choice for a superhero name... the "x" suggests some affiliation with the X-men and yet when I sucked out Xavier's brain he revealed nothing of this mutant to me. It also implies some sort of holiday theme, which is simply baffling. Perhaps he wears an elf costume?

    Very well, xmas2003. I will play your game. We will find you, and then we shall see if your powers are real. If I find that you have been toying with me with false claims, then I will kill you quickly. And if I find that you have been telling the truth, then I will kill you... slowly.

    After taking out those precious, precious eyes of yours, of course. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAH!!!!

    -Darklight, Evil Mutant Overlord

    1. Re:Curses! by Polo · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you'll see ultraviolet... Ultraviolet STARS after I clobber you!

    2. Re:Curses! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Darklight,

      Your secret identity as "flyingsquid" has been revealed. Perhaps it is time to give up the calamari, sink your secret fishing boat and flood the secret lair and swim into a secret crevasse and hide for a while. Beware the Xmas Avengers who are surely after you now...

  11. I don't know if I can "see" UV... by FFOMelchior · · Score: 2

    I've also had cataracts surgery, when I was a toddler. And I've always noticed that UV has bothered me and not other people, but I've never thought about if I "see" UV, or at least see it in a way that others can't. Sometimes it's enough to cause my eyes to spasm. (In fact, my aversion is so strong, while reading this summary my mind _imagined_ seeing UV light, and my eyes spasmed for a few seconds in reaction.) Anyway, now I'm wondering if anyone else has this sort of reaction.

    1. Re:I don't know if I can "see" UV... by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      I never had surgury, but I am very UV sensitive. I simply cannot tolerate unfiltered sunlight. The feeling is similar to getting nailed in the eye with a laser, or staring into a bright lightbulb.

      While I can't see UV (eg blacklights) I know when it is present, because of the "pain" (it's not really pain, you know what I mean?)

      Interestingly, my eyes either can't (or wont) focus violet or "high blue" light - eg the new fad of blue LEDs drives me nuts. Where you see one light, I see a smear or three lights (depending on how my astigmatism is behaving)

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    2. Re:I don't know if I can "see" UV... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this about sums up my situation. Since I was about 10, I started getting a lot of headaches. Bad ones. It wasn't until my parents bought me a decent set of UV filtered, polarized sunglasses I realized it was the sunlight that was causing the problem.

      The problem focusing on UV or high-blue lights is really annoying. My friends thought I was crazy. I know I always try to buy things with red lights, its annoying everything comes with blue these days.

    3. Re:I don't know if I can "see" UV... by Bengie · · Score: 1

      " I simply cannot tolerate unfiltered sunlight."

      I can handle the sun outside, but what gets me is over-cast. I think the dilation of my eye is still controlled by regular light, so mild overcast makes my eyes ache, which seems to be highly correlated with the UV factor. High UV and bright outside doesn't bother me much, but high UV and overcast hurts.

    4. Re:I don't know if I can "see" UV... by Flaming+Troll+Shill · · Score: 2

      Maybe you just need to get out of (your parents') basement more often?




      I kid, I kid ...

    5. Re:I don't know if I can "see" UV... by tibit · · Score: 1

      This, exactly this, describes me as well. I don't have astigmatism (or at least it's not measurable using standard instruments), though. Blue/violet lights are used in some European railway signals and they just bother the heck out of me at night. I have the same kind of pain-but-without-pain discomfort when looking at black lights, even ones that have good visible light and IR filters and offer UV-only output.

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  12. Win a tibanna gas mining facility by pullarius1 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Lando lost Cloud City in a game of Sabaac to a Hutt who had marked the cards with ultraviolet pigment.

  13. Quite the write-up by Lev13than · · Score: 5, Funny

    That was an amazingly detailed and quite interesting write up - I found the numerous close-up photos and descriptions quite informative. Based on your proclivity for detail I am very glad that you suffered from cataracts and not colorectal polyips.

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    1. Re:Quite the write-up by mykepredko · · Score: 1

      LOL.

      Actually, I am hoping that he isn't in a management position.

      The need for that level of detail could get a man killed!

      myke

  14. Re:Be a Bee! Add polarized contact lenses! by SJHillman · · Score: 1, Interesting

    A young adult scifi book I read long ago took advantage of the fact bees can see into the UV spectrum as a plot device to navigate through a forcefield that was invisible to humans, but was "bee purple". Here's a little more information on bees:

    "Honey bees and people do not see eye to eye. Humans see the colors of the rainbow; red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet (otherwise known as ROY-G-BIV). Although honey bees have a fairly broad color range, they do not see red and can only differentiate between six major categories of color, including yellow, blue-green, blue, violet, and ultraviolet. They also see a color known as "bee's purple," a mixture of yellow and ultraviolet. Differentiation is not equally good throughout the range and is best in the blue-green, violet and bee's purple colors."

    Source: http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/insects/ahb/inf6.html

  15. What about spider webs? by MickLinux · · Score: 2

    Do the webs of writing spiders look like flowers now?'

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  16. Re:Be a Bee! Add polarized contact lenses! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cool, so Bee's don't need 3D glasses to watch Avatar?

  17. Do white flowers look differently? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Do white flowers look differently? I've heard that there are "other"
    patterns that we (humans) can't see, but insects can due to their
    ability to see more of the UV spectrum...

  18. Why the skepticism? by emagery · · Score: 1

    We're effectively talking about corrective adjustments made to the shape of the eye; should it be adjusted enough in such a way as a tighter bandwidth were better scattered in the eye, then it kinda follows that some of it may be picked up. The question is, do purples, indigos, and violets seem stronger to you then before?

    1. Re:Why the skepticism? by vlm · · Score: 1

      The question is, do purples, indigos, and violets seem stronger to you then before?

      As a follow up, I bet some similar pigments have strangely different UV reflectivity. Do different paint colors still "match" appropriately?

      For example. Everyone knows from the myspace era than dark blue text on black background is beautiful, edgy, trendy, and shows you're high tech. What if different UV pass characteristics result in brilliant UV output from the blue pigment, therefore dark blue appears bright to you, therefore ultra high contrast only to you.

      Also can you see clothing fluoresce? I know from fooling with a prospector / geologist blacklight that some detergents glow brilliantly in UV. So its not beyond the realm of possibility that you can see underclothes glowing thru an non glowing outer layer.

      Finally have you started UV grafitti yet and/or do you know of a UV responsive paint that only you can see, in other words its pretty clear above 400 nm and looks (purple, I assume?) to you? This might not be a paint, but maybe an obscure poly finish that only you can see, or ... something.

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  19. Is this a good thing, or bad thing? by buckeyeguy · · Score: 2

    Does this mean that for the affected patients, more UV is reaching their retinas than before? If so, how could that be a good thing? Seems like more damage would be on the way.

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    1. Re:Is this a good thing, or bad thing? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      It's more just barely UV light. And why would it be damaging? The biggest problem with near-violet UV is that it's absorbed in the lens and it yellows it.

  20. Tetrachromat question by Lord+Lode · · Score: 1

    The retina of the eye is full of cells. These cells send signals to the brain. The brain is apparently somehow able to know which type of cell sends each signal, otherwise it wouldn't be able to distinguish between the R, G and B signals. How does this connection actually work? Since, when there are 4 types of cells, apparently the brain is able to use those 4 types just as well. So it doesn't seem the brain, in its just born state, is already designed to accept a certain amount of color types, it looks like it's somehow able to work with whatever input is available to it, where this input is a random messy combination of input signals from a whole retina full of cells of N different types...

    Maybe the brain somehow figures out that certain cells send signals only in certain colored lighting conditions, and make something out of that? But I also thought that the retina already does some processing of the signals from the cells, so how is that one able to do it correctly even if someone has 4 types of cells? Is its processing color independent maybe?

    1. Re:Tetrachromat question by tgd · · Score: 1

      There's lots written up about it, in fact I'd bet Wikipedia has it.

      In a very brief nutshell, your optic nerve isn't a VGA cable -- you don't have RGB nerves. The cells just signal differently, and its the differences in the signaling that the brain learns to associate with specific colors. (This is unlike your ears, which have a range of nerves stimulated by specific (small) ranges in frequency.)

    2. Re:Tetrachromat question by JoeDuncan · · Score: 1

      There are basically 5 types of cells in the retina: photoreceptors (rods & cones), bipolar cells, amacrine cells, horizontal cells, and ganglion cells.

      Photoreceptors transmute light into electro-chemical signals with photopigments, bipolar cells link multiple photoreceptors in a lateral inhibition configuration and perform basic luminosity gradient/edge detection preprocessing. The amacrine and horizontal cells are involved in motion detection and image smoothing, but I don't know much about them. The bipolar cells doing edge detection feed into ganglion cells which connect to the optic nerve to send that signal to the visual cortex, which does more complex feature discrimination (bars, lines etc...).

      There are separate ganglion cells which perform rate coded colour detection through what's called the opponent process. There are only two types: blue/yellow and red/green.

      The red/green ganglia are easy to describe, they are excited by the red cone photoreceptors and inhibited by the green cone photoreceptors. These signals combine to determine the rate of firing of the ganglion cell. So lots of red light means the red/green ganglia fire rapidly, signalling we are seeing red. Lots of green light makes the red/green ganglia fire slowly or not at all, signalling we are seeing green.

      The blue/yellow ganglia are a little more complex, they are excited by the red *and* green cone photoreceptors, and inhibited by the blue cone photoreceptors (synaptic weights from the cones to the ganglia are not equal). So lots of reg+green light = blue/yellow ganglia increase rate of firing signalling yellow, while lots of blue light = blue/yellow ganglia decrease rate of firing signalling blue.

      Incidentally, this is why red & green and blue & yellow are "complementary" colours, and accounts for many afterimage effects (e.g. stare are something, then stare at a blank wall) - the retina can't physically signal red and green or blue and yellow at the same time.

      The signal being sent along the optic nerve from the ganglia then consists of basically three channels: a luminosity gradient, red/green and blue/yellow. The specific ganglion sending the signal indicates where it was detected in retinotopic space. I am specifically leaving out the amacrine/horizontal cells here, I know they are involved somehow in signal modulation and motion detection, but again, I don't really know how that system works.

      The preprocessing done by the retina on visual input can be broken down into three broad categories: edge detection, colour detection and motion detection. The retinal signal is then processed using what I like to call "magic" in the visual cortex to create our perceptions.

      Hope this helps!

    3. Re:Tetrachromat question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMG! We see in L-R/G-B/Y. For a moment I thought we all See Everything Contrary to the American Method!

      ==//==

    4. Re:Tetrachromat question by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Sounds like mouse whiskers.

      If they pluck them early the brain develops differently. I would imagine most sensory stimuli sends levels to a part of the brain, and the brain builds structures to react.

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  21. My brother can see infrared by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A few years back my brother (who was about 14 at the time) got a Wii and was having trouble getting the controller to work. I was troubleshooting with him over the phone and asked him if the sensor bar was plugged in and he responded "I think so, no wait it's not. The light's not on." I asked him what light? The only lights on the Wii sensor bar are the infrared lights. He said he knew that, but they weren't on. Apparently he can barely see infrared light. I did some tests with some remote controls that do not light up when pressing the buttons and would ask him to tell me when I press the button. Not very scientific I know, but it was enough for me to prove that he does indeed see something. He can see the lights on remote controls, night security cameras, and of course the Wii sensor bar. They all appear very faint, but over Christmas I got him some cheap toy night vision goggles which apparently use infrared LED's and it was bright enough in a very dark room to act as a flashlight for him.

    1. Re:My brother can see infrared by pedrop357 · · Score: 1

      The Surefire M1 could be a real treat for someone like that:
      http://www.surefire.com/M1-Infrared-Illuminator

    2. Re:My brother can see infrared by subreality · · Score: 1

      I have a little bit of that too. Different remotes use different LEDs that are nearer or farther into IR. The very closest ones I'm able to see faintly. It's only enough to see that they're on - I can't actually use them as a flashlight.

      Night vision cameras are usually very easy to see. I'd guess that they use the nearest IR possible to make things look as un-weird as possible, and perhaps the CCD sensors are most sensitive there too.

      Remote controls are hit and miss; usually miss.

      I'll have to try a Wii bar sometime. :)

    3. Re:My brother can see infrared by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Somewhat related: cameras (as in, electronic ones... not your eyes) can also see infrared light.

      Try turning on the camera mode on your phone, then pointing a remote control at it.

  22. I don't think this is a good thing. by dohnut · · Score: 4, Informative

    UV light and even blue light are damaging to the retina and UV light is a major contributor to cataract formation. The replacement lens you get after surgery may not block UV light at all (currently some replacement lenses do offer UV & blue light protection).

    Cataract surgery patients are advised to avoid blue light therapy products and, obviously, direct sources of UV radiation. Of course, protecting your eyes from UV radiation is generally a good idea for everyone.

    As someone who has a has a Grandfather with AMD (age-related macular degeneration) and I myself have, according to a genetic test, factors that make it more likely that I too will experience AMD, I try to protect my eyes as much as possible from both UV and blue light.

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    1. Re:I don't think this is a good thing. by ClosedEyesSeeing · · Score: 2

      As someone who has a has a Grandfather with AMD (age-related macular degeneration) and I myself have, according to a genetic test, factors that make it more likely that I too will experience AMD, I try to protect my eyes as much as possible from both UV and blue light.

      Don't worry, it's not as bad as Intel makes it out to be.

  23. I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How long it will take for procedures like this to become commonplace.

    Perhaps not this EXACT thing, but basic upgrades to human capabilities through modern medicine. Currently, most upgrades are in place to correct deficiencies. From Lasik to prosthetic limbs, hearing aids to hair plugs... we limit ourselves to only restoring the "norm." Even most plastic surgeries are only trying to attain the looks we had in our youth. I guess a boob-job would count as an upgrade, but that's still in the realm of normal (for the most part) while something like UV bias is completely foreign to most humans.

    I can't wait for all the slippery-slope discussions once people start going under the knife for routine upgrades. "I've got a doctors appointment this afternoon to get my spinal reinforcements tightened and my xray vision re calibrated to focus on double-X chromosome subjects."

  24. Re:Be a Bee! Add polarized contact lenses! by amicusNYCL · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's weird, you mean not everyone sees that? When I put on my polarized shades in the car my window tinting has those little spots all over it (at least, as far as I can see). I just assumed that's the way it was for everyone.

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  25. My Father's Cataract Surgery by assertation · · Score: 2

    My father is in his mid 70s and had cataract surgery.

    Before the surgery, for years, he hardly read anything and he was the most tech phobic of computer phobes, never saying why.

    After the surgery he started reading books, I convinced him to get an iMac ( instead of Vista, this was a few years ago )and to take the Apple store's classes.

    Years later he has his own web sites and sends me email.

    You can keep your UV vision, I have a minor miracle of my own.

    1. Re:My Father's Cataract Surgery by SwedishChef · · Score: 1

      Wonderful story. It's life-transforming for almost everyone who gets the surgery; certainly it was for me. I was mid-50s when I had the surgery. My mother had gone blind from cataracts in the 1960s so I knew it would happen but I was unprepared for the impact it would make. I could swim, kayak and ski without worrying about glasses fogging. And lights at night were pinpoints.

      Happy for your father and for you. :)

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    2. Re:My Father's Cataract Surgery by assertation · · Score: 1

      How nice to receive a reply on slashdot that isn't a nasty gram or some kind of penis waving or (arrested) adolescent posturing.

      Thank You!

    3. Re:My Father's Cataract Surgery by SwedishChef · · Score: 1

      Well... in all fairness I had already left my smart-ass comment. :)

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    4. Re:My Father's Cataract Surgery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Similar experience here. My father is in the same age range and had his lens replacements done for cataracts. He read a lot both before and after, but he had super-thick trifocal glasses and had the font sizes set very high on his computer screen. Post-surgery, he raves about how intensely he can see colors now, and can apparently see better than I can (he can read street signs from further away than I can, even with correction).

      The thick tri-focal glasses? He threw them away. His new lens implants include correction for everything, even astigmatism. The only correction he needs now are some very low power off-the-shelf reading glasses for up close viewing; and even those are considered "optional". He's basically got perfect vision now, and he's 76 years old!

      I keep thinking that if I could elect to get the same surgery done on myself right now, I probably would. Why wait until I've been suffering from cataracts for years? Let me have the artificial super-vision now!

  26. Wood anemones by G3ckoG33k · · Score: 1

    At least the Wood anemones do http://www.naturfotograf.com/UV_ANEM_RAN.html

    So our hero could go to a botanical garden or contact a botanist to see if there is some unexpected patterns to find and perhaps which flowers to look at.

  27. "Normal" vision is very subjective by joneil · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As somebody who is colour blind and undergone some extensive testing for it, I've been told by several people that the "normal" range of human vision between 400nm to 700nm is more or less an average. Everyone is different, and just as some people can naturally run a mile in 6-7 minutes with little training while others would have trouble walking a mile in 20 minutes, it is the same with our vision. IMO, a more true statement would be that the "weighted average" of human vision is 400 to 700nm, but the extreme ranges *might* go anywhere from say 350, 360nm to perhaps 720 or 730 nm.

          For example, even without a yellowed cornea, some people may not see into the UV at all. There are also suggestions - would not go so far as to say a sound theory - that some well known artists from days past had, perhaps without ever knowing it, natural extended vision into either the UV or IR, or perhaps even both. Just as it is claimed that some famous musicians from the past had a naturally extended range of hearing.

          Another thing to be aware of is that, at least IMO, the medical profession as a whole really seems to have little interest in this area. Specific example, I am colour blind, but it is very poorly understood. Also, since childhood, I have been extremely sensitive to bright light, but my night vision is superb, and apparently above that of the average person. I cannot tell you how many specialists I have either called or visited over the years, but the response is generally "I don't know" or "well, just live it it". It almost seems to me that if you cannot treat it or fix it right away, and you aren't going to die from it, why bother with it. so I have a small fortune invested in prescription eyeglasses, and I wear them even on cloudy days. You get some weird looks, but you get used to it.

          As for "proof", I can understand dealing with skeptical people. In terms of my own night vision, I had trouble even convincing my wife when we were first married. I solved that one real quick one night camping. Walking from our campsite to the washrooms, I left the flashlight behind. I was able to find my way no problem, but my wife keep tripping over rocks or branches in the dark. Even holding her hand she keep tripping or bumping into things. She sure wasn't impressed, but she has never doubted me since. :)

    1. Re:"Normal" vision is very subjective by Spectre · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I cannot tell you how many specialists I have either called or visited over the years, but the response is generally "I don't know" or "well, just live it it". It almost seems to me that if you cannot treat it or fix it right away, and you aren't going to die from it, why bother with it.

      Call around, find some more specialists. One of the simplest and least expensive treatments for color blindness is to consistently wear a red contact lens on one eye (always the same eye) and a clear contact lens on the other. Even if you don't need contact lenses to correct a different vision problem. Sure, it looks a bit weird, but only people who right in front of you and look you in the eyes are going to notice. It doesn't take too long for the brain to adapt the difference in signals from the two eyes to provide a "color cue" that restores a lot of the capability for the typical red-green colorblind-afflicted individual.

      I don't know if there are similar treatments for other forms of color-blindness, but there likely is ... don't give up!

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    2. Re:"Normal" vision is very subjective by Deorus · · Score: 1

      What kind of color blindness do you have? Are you only unable to distinguish between red and green? Are you unable to see blue? Or are you simply insensitive to all 3 colors? If it's the latter case, it might be that you have more light sensitive rods in the retina than normal people. Usually, light-sensitive rods are more common in the periphery of the eye, whereas color-sensitive cones are located in the center, as they also perceive detail much better but perform a lot worse in the dark (we stop perceiving color long before we stop perceiving light).

      Disclaimer: I'm not an ophthalmologist, but am disabled with an open angle glaucoma, so anything related to the eyes matters a lot to me.

    3. Re:"Normal" vision is very subjective by another_twilight · · Score: 1

      I, too, am colour-blind and have excellent night vision.

      It may be that I/we are more used to picking up visual cues that do not rely on colour information - in low-light conditions, the ability to distinguish colours drops first so people are brought to a playing field that we are much more familiar with. Playing paintball, I disdained wearing camouflage because it was useless - I could see people wearing cam., so clearly they could see me. It took a number of years and some interesting tests to work out that for most people, camouflage is much more effective. For that reason, WWII reconnaissance photos were examined by a team of people that included someone who was colour blind (but I am having trouble quickly finding a reliable citation at the moment).

  28. Re:Be a Bee! Add polarized contact lenses! by GonzoPhysicist · · Score: 1

    Most cephalopods see the polarization of light as well, but they are colorblind so that's not much fun.

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  29. Re:Be a Bee! Add polarized contact lenses! by Amouth · · Score: 1

    ok that is new to me - i always assumed (like you) that that was normal for polarized glasses.. although it does make since on why LCD's always looked odd and unevenly lit to me.

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  30. WTF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Umm, are you saying that UV lights are not supposed to be bright purple..?

    I avoid looking at them in clubs, raves, etc. because they're shine too bright and I know UV is harmful.

    I dunno what to think now. Never had an eye surgery... I need to test this thing.

  31. My oldest saw infrared as a baby by stephathome · · Score: 1

    When my oldest was a baby, she reacted strongly to infrared light. My husband tried to get some video of her sleeping in a very dark room, dark hall behind him, no light anywhere. The infrared from the camera woke her up, and she covered her eyes and cried. She was only a few months old at the time, but it was very clear that the infrared was bothering her quite a bit. I have no idea if she can still do that, have to test it sometime.

  32. Higher order diffraction by burningcpu · · Score: 1

    What 'color' does the light appear to be? Does it appear to be red/reddish? Monochromators pass higher order diffraction. When set to 350nm, 700nm light passes through as well. Also, you should stop shining UV light into your eyes. It is very damaging.

    1. Re:Higher order diffraction by Deorus · · Score: 1

      Yes, anything above blue gains a reddish hue to me, starting from the mosquito trap fluorescent lamps in restaurants to the black lights and forensic flashlights. I understand that this has something to do with those frequencies activating the red-sensing cones in the eye even though they shouldn't. Whenever I take pictures of such lights they either appear blue or aren't captured at all. In any case I wouldn't say the color looks red at all, at most it would look like purple, which is what I assume violet looks like to everyone (despite being a totally different and pure color).

  33. Pardon the interruption, by DC2088 · · Score: 1

    My vision is augmented.

  34. I didn't get U/V vision... by SwedishChef · · Score: 1

    But I did get X-ray vision... it's not as good as you'd think. For one thing, I'm never going in to the senior center ever again!!!

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  35. uv security camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember a security camera at wendys which would show some peoples black jackets as being purple and other black objects such as computers as black. It must have been more sensitive to the UV spectrum than a normal camera.

  36. Retinal cancer risk by durrr · · Score: 1

    It sounds potentially dangerous, depending on the intensity that leaks through. Consider that the retina is a part of the brain, what you're doing is exposing your brain to UV light, and while not directly ionizing it's enough to disrupt or initiate chemical reactions that doesn't belong there.

  37. Color Perception by Deorus · · Score: 1

    So aren't people supposed to see black lights? I see them extremely well and they obfuscate everything else around. I'm literally lost in any place with too many of such lights, especially when they start bouncing off the walls and the floor, but most people seem to navigate those places without any problems. I have a congenital open angle glaucoma, one of my eyes is totally blind, and the other retains only 10% of sight, but can see color very well, possibly better than usual, as I've had lots of arguments about colors with people where I turned out to be right (such as the backlight (seen through the table in the lid) and keyboard LEDs having a very noticeable pink hue on the MacBook Pros, while lots of people kept telling me that they were white).

  38. Oh the stains, stains, stains... by kiehlster · · Score: 1

    Don't think I'd opt for UV eyesight. Wouldn't that make all the stains on those hotel mattresses quite apparent? I'm OCD enough as it is. I'd be clinical if I could see how dirty the world really is.

  39. Re:Be a Bee! Add polarized contact lenses! by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

    The spots you see on your window tinting is probably due to polarization variations in the film. My sunroof has them. Haidinger's brush is more subtle. Pull up a blank white page on an LCD monitor, stare at the centre and slowly tilt your head. If at one point you see the blue/yellow bow tie pictured in the article then you're seeing Haidinger's brush.

  40. What it is the perception of UV? by Maimun · · Score: 1

    I imagine that animals that can see UV perceive the UV colour as distinct from the other colours. And I suppose that is a function of the brain. Those people that can see UV -- what colour do they perceive, actually?

    1. Re:What it is the perception of UV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To me in sunlight it just makes everything too rich/bright/radiant. In Disneyland it looks like a greyish blinding white light everywhere that seems to periodically flash in your eye as if you accidentally looked into a flashlight but have not yet looked away. It diminishes everything else your are suppose to see there.

      It's almost always causes the eyes to throb in pain near strong UV sources such as blacklights and sunlight.

    2. Re:What it is the perception of UV? by Deorus · · Score: 1

      Violet. Just like normal people we can only see 3 colors, though above blue everything starts to gain a reddish hue that most cameras can't reproduce, which is why violet and purple look identical despite being totally different colors (purple is a composite color, while violet is a pure color). The only difference is that we keep perceiving higher frequencies that we aren't supposed to see as violet.

    3. Re:What it is the perception of UV? by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      I see low intensity UV as violet, and high as black. Literally, where the light is supposed to fall, it seems like textured darkness.

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  41. Re:Be a Bee! Add polarized contact lenses! by Mr+Z · · Score: 1

    I see the spot/crosshatch pattern on car windows when I wear polarized shades. I don't see Haldinger's brush, though, when I'm wearing no glasses. The pattern on car windows comes from the glass-tempering process.

  42. Ditto by Venner · · Score: 1

    At the shopping mall nearest my home town, there is a department store that has had one of those ultrasonic bug & pest repellers installed above the doors since the mid 80s. As a kid, I couldn't stand being within 50 feet of those doors for any length of time; it wasn't just annoying, it bloody well hurt! While my father and I waited thereabouts for my mother to meet us, I thought I'd crawl out of my skin, and neither of them ever believed me about it.

    Now in my early 30s, I recently went back, having forgotten about the damn thing. I walked through those doors and instantly felt uneasy, along with a pressure in my head and sudden ringing in my ears. It went away quickly, but came back as I later approached the doors to leave; then I remembered the device which, sure enough, was still above the door. It isn't the piercing sound that stabbed my ears as a child -- I assume my hearing has declined somewhat already as I've aged -- but man, it still makes my head throb. And nobody else seems to notice it.

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  43. What color is it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Enquiring minds want to know.

  44. Re:Be a Bee! Add polarized contact lenses! by WeirdAlchemy · · Score: 3, Informative

    I don't think that's the Haidinger's brush effect -- I believe what you are seeing in the car window is the variability in birefringence from the strain pattern caused by the process of toughening the glass.. From the article:

    The strain pattern resulting from tempering can be observed with polarized light or by using a pair of polarizing sun glasses.

  45. Re:Be a Bee! Add polarized contact lenses! by Quirkz · · Score: 1

    Humans have some limited polarization detection. Besides the already-linked Haidinger's Brush, you can also pick out polarization against the sky, if the sun isn't directly overhead and you know what you're looking for. It's very subtle, but it's there.

  46. TVs aren't outside the normal range by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    They whine at 15750Hz, which is the line rate of NTSC. That's high frequency, but well within the "20kHz" human norm. Older people often can't hear it, since high frequency hearing drops off with age, but many people can.

  47. There's a reason that humans ... by Skapare · · Score: 1

    without UV vision were able to beat out the humans with UV vision. Darwin has his quirks.

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  48. Put it in context by ronmon · · Score: 1

    I'm sure that many here have deuteronamoly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuteranomaly#Anomalous_trichromacy (often ignorantly referred to as red-green color blindness) or other color vision deficiencies. What many don't realize, even some of those who have it, is that we are better at detecting people or objects that have been camouflaged due to a better ability to spot shapes, shades and movement. Is it better? Mostly not, from my personal experience. But it can come in handy in some very special situations.

  49. Almost all "newer" IOLs filter UV by slew · · Score: 1

    This UV problem is mostly related to older generation IOLs (intraocular lenses). For citation, consider this article from 2005

    There is ample evidence that suggests that blocking UV is good, and, because we are not aware of any downside to using a UV-absorber, cataract surgeons for the most part have adopted this technology; virtually 100% of IOLs now contain UV-absorbers.

    Last month, my wife (who is also an optometrist) had IOL replacement in both eyes. The opthamologist noted that there were no options worth considering that didn't have UV protection.

    Of course different lenses offer differing amounts of UV protection, though, so chosing wisely is still a requirement (as always).

    1. Re:Almost all "newer" IOLs filter UV by dohnut · · Score: 1

      Thanks, that's good to know. It is interesting that UV protection has not been in there since day one (although, I imagine cataract surgery has been around for quite a while). It seems like common sense to me that if UV damages your skin that it probably isn't good for your retina either. Perhaps it was not technologically feasible at the time?

      Regardless, hopefully I never need any IOLs in the first place. I was looking at a blue light product to help correct my circadian rhythm (maybe it's all snake oil, I don't know) and that's where I came across this issue with blue (high intensity) light. I'm afraid to try one of the devices out now. To me it's not worth even a 1% chance of additional eye damage just so I would (possibly) have a bit more energy in the afternoons. I guess it's something I'll talk to my eye doctor about during my next appointment.

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  50. testing comments system for user reported bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this is just a test comment. please ignore.

  51. Need IR for that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remember the "night vision" camcorders that Sony introduced 10 or so years ago? These camcorders have the ability to switch the IR-blocking filter out of the optical path so the camcorder can pick up near-IR wavelengths, and can record images illuminated by IR LEDs. There was some wailing and gnashing of teeth upon their introduction as they could record a semi-X-ray vision effect; you could sort-of see peoples' knickers through some clothes.

    So I would think you would need vision at the other end of the spectrum to realize the full glory of X-ray vision.

    1. Re:Need IR for that by Algae_94 · · Score: 1

      I would think you would need vision in the X-ray spectrum to have true X-ray vision, which is a bit beyond the ultraviolet end.

  52. I have an actual answer by PoolOfThought · · Score: 1

    I downloaded an app the other day on my iPad called "Color Uncovered" for exploratorium.edu (I thought it would be cool to go over with my kids - and it was). One of the items in the app was a mention that, like a honeybee, impressionist painter Claude Monet could see ultraviolet light following cataract surgery.

    The below quotes are from the app (I just happened to have my iPad handy as I read this and remembered basically where it was).

    "Actually your eyes are partially equipped to see ultraviolet light. The color-sensitive cone cells in your retina can detect it just fine. But the lenses of your eyes filter out the ultraviolet light before it can reach your retina, so you never get a chance to see it."

    "Late in his career, Monet developed a cataract that dulled his vision. In 1923 he underwent cataract surgery to remove the clouded lens. Without a lens in the way Monet was suddenly able to see ultravioet, which looks whitish blue to humans. The change is apparent in his painting as he began to pain his water lilies - which look white to the rest of us - a pale blue."

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  53. I too have seen this by lcreech · · Score: 1

    You are anot unique. I have had cataract surgery on both eyes many years ago and have also noticed a different frequency response in either eye while looking at uv bug lamps. In the left eye the lamps appear much brighter than the right. I have the serial numbers and manufacturer infomation and could research it further, but I did not think I could actually see into the uv spectrum and though it was likely a difference in the manufacturing process with the addition of a uv filter since the lenses and surgeries were several years appart.

  54. Re:Cool (see blood, DNA (cumshots) by neurocutie · · Score: 1

    UV can be used to visualize blood, DNA, etc... see where murders and creampies were performed...

  55. Re:Be a Bee! Add polarized contact lenses! by nickersonm · · Score: 1
  56. Pitch Black star? by Grizzley9 · · Score: 1

    Will you be starring as the next movie of the Riddick series (Pitch Black, etc)

  57. I sympathize - and offer suggestions by rahvee · · Score: 1

    I am able to see a little bit into the UV spectrum, and I'm able to hear exceptionally high pitched sounds. I find it annoying, because the stuff most people don't notice, they don't bother to fix, so whenever I see a truck on the highway with a UV (blacklight) illuminator on it for decoration, it gives me a headache. God forbid anyone should watch a CRT tv or computer monitor. I definitely hear solidstate computer components making noise even though they have no moving parts. Usually it's a sign of imminent failure, and I use this to help diagnose flaky or failing computers sometimes.

    What use is there for it? Not much. But you can see if people have washed their clothes recently, because the laundry detergent residue makes them glow a little bit. And I suppose if you spray some place with luminol you should be able to see blood, without carrying a blacklight. No big deal, because if you're carrying luminol, you're probably carrying a blacklight. So like I said, there's not much use...

    Some LED displays emit into the UV spectrum. These hurt my eyes, and I have to look away. I suppose that's useful - less likely to develop cataracts at a later age, I suppose. Same goes for blue LED christmas lights.

    But finally - My vision in the infrared is dimished a little bit. You (the writer) might want to see if your Red vision extends as far down as other peoples' red vision. I first noticed this deficiency in myself, when I was around 17, a bunch of us went bowling, and the score was kept on a TV screen. Numbers were written in white, spares written in blue, and strikes written in red. I asked someone why there was nothing showing in any of the frames where we had strikes, and she acted a little weird, joked it off. But later I asked again, and she realized I was serious. "You mean you can't see that?" It was just a deep deep color of red. Just barely outside my visible range, but still within everyone else's visible range.

    On rare occasions, I discover I can't see red. But usually I can. I guess my frequency response is just slightly skewed from "normal." Biased away from the infrared, and toward the UV. It could be caused by pigmentation, or lack thereof. I am exceptionally white. I am not albino, but throughout my life, I have frequently been mistaken for one. I am the whitest (and pinkest) non-albino you've ever seen in your life.

  58. I call shenanigans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > I could hear radio towers when we drove by them.

    You do know that radio waves are electromagnetic, and your ears work on pressure waves in the air, right?

    Are you sure your radio just isn't broken?

  59. Re:Be a Bee! Add polarized contact lenses! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Zone-tempered glass? I always wear polarised sunglasses, and have seen this on only some cars. (Thankfully mine isn't one of them.)

  60. Cataract will fluoresce green by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 2

    I've found that a cataract is easily visible with a UV LED flashlight because the cataract fluoresces bright green. I do not recommend looking at the light very long however, because the UV will accelerate the protein cross-linking and worsen the cataract. And the glow will freak out some people; it looks unearthly.

    I got my cataracts, by the way, from working 12 to 16 hour deathmarches and staring at screens then going home and collapsing into bed without removing my extended-wear contact lenses. Too long a period of this abuse (at a start-up) cut oxygen to my corneas, this then affected the electrolyte balance in the lens cells, and triggered damage to the colloids that constitute the contents of these cells. This caused the crystalin protein molecules to begin cross-linking to form cataracts. Normally, these molecules are held apart by delicate electrostatic forces, but various factors will disrupt those and begin the spiral into dysfunction.

    I urge people who wear contact lenses and work long hours for weeks on end to make sure they do not sleep in their lenses, and that they take proper eye nutrition supplements. The problem is easy to avoid, and hell to pay once it happens.

    1. Re:Cataract will fluoresce green by Jay+L · · Score: 2

      I've been sleeping in my extended wear lenses as well, and I've worried I'm taking a theoretical risk. Were these modern disposable silicone hydrogels, or the older extended-wear kind? As I understand it, cataracts arose as a side effect of microbial keratitis, and the risks of a severe infection are lower with silicone hydrogels (as well as with disposables in general).

      What sort of eye nutrition do you recommend?

    2. Re:Cataract will fluoresce green by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 2

      Sleeping in any extended wear lenses cuts O2 to the cornea and puts the deeper lens tissue at risk. Even if you feel very comfortable, it has longterm effects apparently.

      Cataracts from microbial action may relate to side effects that reduce moisture on the surface of the eye and that might affect internal fluid balance, I'm not sure. But anything that reduces chance of microbial infection is good. Many people have terrible ocular hygiene practice and no concept of bacteriology or viruses. They do unsafe things quite a lot. Always washing hands before handling lenses does good. I see people moistening lenses with saliva which is one of the worst things one can do bacterially.

      Nutrition, anything with lutein, zeaxanthin, anti-oxidants is supposed to be good. One can get them either from drugstore supplements or dietary intake. I eat dark green vegs.

    3. Re:Cataract will fluoresce green by Jay+L · · Score: 1

      Thanks; I'll check my vitamins for lutein and zeaxanthin. I'm a vegetarian, but a bad one - I'm really more of a pastafarian - so I probably don't get enough anything from dietary intake! FWIW, the silicone hydrogels allegedly let in far more oxygen than hydrogels, although at the moment all the data I'm finding is a physics model saying that's not true and some very strong marketing from hydrogels claiming it doesn't matter.

    4. Re:Cataract will fluoresce green by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 1

      I tried silicone hydrogels and they were worse for my eyes than normal ones. I wore Focus lenses (loved them) for 7 years until they discontinued the brand; my opto then tried me on various modern silicon types and they all dried my eyes out and felt like Saran Wrap. Felt like my eyes were not getting enough oxygen, too.

  61. Enhanced vision as a weapon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is certainly public infromation. There are many jurisdictions in the world that prohibit common individuals from possessing night vision equipment. Now that his BODY has become such equipment, can he be prohibited from traveling to certain places around the world?

    Let us take it further and don our "government" hats. This individual can do things that perhaps the rest of the species cannot do, namely see a range of light that humans normally cannot see. As a government official, one will invariably exploit what I call "Political Augustinianism". This means that since all men are fallen in the theological definition, the political translation of that idea becomes "every individual a criminal" therefore making "everything a weapon" a.k.a "everyone has something to hide". This will eventually lead to a "fix" that filters out wavelengths that governments do not want the loyalty-unsworn to see. Therefore this man may be coerced to have that lens replaced by one that the government approves.

    IMHO, the retina may not be designed to be exposed to those wavelengths and so "Nature" would not approve of it either.

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  62. Re:Be a Bee! Add polarized contact lenses! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The spots you see on your window tinting is probably due to polarization variations in the film. My sunroof has them.

    The spots are differences in stress in the glass due to tempering. Glass under stress polarizes light differently than glass at rest - I used to help out in at a scientific glassblower's and we had a tool that used polarizing filters to see if glass had residual stress after we worked on it.

  63. Re:Be a Bee! Add polarized contact lenses! by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

    I've heard that the spots are glass under stress. The spots on my sunroof are very prominent, but my windshield and side windows don't show spots that are nearly as obvious (they're also not tinted). Is that because the factory is more careful with windshields and side windows? The OP also specifically mentioned tinted windows, by which I assumed he meant side windows with tinting applied.

    What was the glass going to be used for that you wanted to check for residual stress?

  64. Just to be certain.... by axlr8or · · Score: 1

    I would try staring at the sun. For long periods of time. That MIGHT help you rid yourself of that annoying affliction.

  65. UV shift by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    w/ original equipments cataracts, my visual response has been slowly slipping towards the UV spectra over many (30+) years. I know this quantitatively through lifelong professional measurements of optical materials and optical spectrum. Early red lasers (longer wavelength than current laser pointers) that I made were invisible to me, yet strong to other observers by eye. I still rarely see 'red' laser pointers unless the intensity is very bright compared to ambient light. Desktop publishing of red on black looks like black on black depending on the choice of red wavelength (my school colors are red on black). Note that people (including me) can actually see all the way out to IR wavelengths if the intesities are strong enough - wavelength response depends not just on wavelength, but intensity as well. A single 808nm laser is typically not visible, while a fiber coupled array of 808nm lasers can be easily seen. I've done enough work with near-UV lasers and materials to know the difference between UV-induced fluorescence (violet colors from 'blacklights' and other phosphorescent materials) to be able to see 365nm emission from gallium nitride that has a 'clean-enough' emission spectra to have no visible light emission (as measured by spectrometers). The aspect of this wavelength sensitivity variation over time that does not make sense is the UV shift over time. As the OP demonstrates, 'new' (non-UV-degraded) lens have less degradation to UV response than 'old' organic lenses that are naturally UV- and vis- clouded over time. Perhaps this will all come down to a resonant effect related to some characteristic dimension, such as the recent studies of Morpho butterfly wing dimensions. Some aspect of human vision seems to develop with properties inverse to temporal physical properties of common materials. This relation require further study.

  66. Valuable skill for smuggler lookout? by edb · · Score: 1

    I vaguely remember a fictional story I read ~20 years ago about someone who had had recent cataract surgery and was kidnaped by smugglers, forced to be their spotter watching for a signal from a UV flashlight on a boat offshore running dark. The story made a point about how people with cataract surgery but no implanted replacement lenses were able to sense UV light (not necessarily "see", but sense).

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  67. Unusual? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had a lens removed from one of my eyes when I was a child and wear a hard contact lens as a replacement. I noticed very early on that I see more UV in that eye than the normal one. UV lamps, those insect killer things, etc, all show as a more flourescent purple in the damaged eye.

  68. Re:Be a Bee! Add polarized contact lenses! by SockPuppetOfTheWeek · · Score: 1

    The spots on my sunroof are very prominent, but my windshield and side windows don't show spots that are nearly as obvious (they're also not tinted). Is that because the factory is more careful with windshields and side windows?

    The sunroof is horizontal. Gravity causes shear stresses in the glass. Windows are relatively vertical and gravity causes mostly compressive stresses in them. Most materials endure compression much better than shear.

    Try pushing upward in the middle of it and see if the spots change.

    What was the glass going to be used for that you wanted to check for residual stress?

    I'm not GP, but IIRC a lot of electronic tubes and bulbs are made from hand-blown glass globes.

  69. They Live... by Ransak · · Score: 1

    You could potentially help Rowdy Roddy Piper stop the alien invasion!

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  70. "It's not a bug, it's a feature." by Paul1969 · · Score: 1

    How long before makers of replacement lenses start touting UV vision in their ads?

  71. late to the party... by Progoth · · Score: 1

    I had an AOL (artificial optic lens?) implanted around 1996 due to a cataract from eye injury. Black lights at places used to give me a headache due to...i'm not sure, i thought it was the disparity between what my two different eyes were seeing (they glow a bright purple to the damaged eye). It's been so long that it no longer causes headaches, but it's still...odd.

    When I asked my opthamologist about it he said something about "a UV filter" in the lens.

    He also wanted to replace the lens with a newer & better one only a few years after the surgery...but I'm squeamish about it, understandably (having stitches cut out of your eye with a scalpel is a bit disconcerting).

  72. asked an opthalmologist by gargeug · · Score: 1

    So I forwarded this page to an ophthalmologist and apparently it is a well-known phenomenon for new IOL's.