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Bing Now Nearly As Good As Google — Says Microsoft
An anonymous reader writes "Harry Shum, who oversees research and development for Microsoft's Bing search engine, believes his company has now matched Google's ability to build software platforms that can harness the power of tens of thousands of servers. — 'For many years, we've really tried to play the catch-up game,' Shum says. 'And now we feel that after a lot of effort, we understand search quality problems better than before, and that if you look at Google and Bing, the quality is beginning to be very comparable.' While his comments might be a little biased, many people do share the same opinion. How do you feel about Bing's search results compared to Google's? For example DuckDuckGo, the privacy oriented search engine, uses Bing's back-end and has gained a small following on Slashdot."
I had submissions rejected in the past for referencing Slashdot in them. Have the rules changed?
And while we're at it, would DuckDuckGo's "small following on Slashdot" please enter and sign in with a few posts?
If you believe that,which I don't,I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I'll sell real cheap
Geek Hillbilly
Another alternative is duckduckgo.com, trying that out lately, seems to be alright...
How about Startpage for browsing?
Passionately Indifferent
...as a lowering in standards. Slashdot is now all about the paid astro-turfing, self-referential brand-building, and manufactured outrages designed to generate pageviews. The founders are gone, and It's Time to Start Running This Like a Business, Goddammit!
Since discovering the verbatim feature for Google, the search works once more. Most of my searches are now done with it enabled.
"Nearly as good" like "not good as"?
Personally, I started using Bing once Google became incapable of trying to correct my every search. Google, unless my search query is "HowdoIfixmyspacebar," maybe you should consider all those missing spaces as intentional?
But then, I don't have any taste anyway.
It's not as good as Google because Bing Is Not Google by its own definition.
As soon as Google started requiring me to use Javascript in order to see my search results I started to use Bing. I haven't looked back since.
Thank goodness "search" is (now) a fungible commodity. Google better start smartening up if it wants to be relevant in the near future. Companies can't rely on the ignorant masses to forever stay ignorant of the competition and their immoral privacy policies.
But whilst G+, Maps, Image search are all as well integrated and continue to work better, both in accuracy of things I want, and speed to get them, why would I bother to change to something that's /almost/ as good. Plus, having saved searches available on the phone to check something after searching on the laptop has been more useful than I thought it'd be. So why use Bing on desktop and Google on phone? Makes no sense.
For now, Google's still the best for what I need it to do.
Waiting for an amusing sig.
The engine itself can be as good as Google's, but they will never have a massive database that's comparable to what Google has.
staredown?
-- no sig today
Google is much more serious about search than Microsoft; I have access to Google Scholar, Google Books and several specialized searches that may or may not be useful to you personally, like Reader and blogs.
Also, Google gets me much better results in Image search, than Bing, and generally better results from web searches.
"The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
The marketing department has been saying this for a long time now. Yep! And when they say it, I have an image of a piece of clothing, such as that which might be a cloth covering for a foot, except that it has two buttons sewn onto one side near what should be the bottom, and not a leg or foot, but a hand inserted into it. There. There it is. Its not just a sock. Its a sock puppet! And *SHOCK!* it makes sounds, but not from within, but from away! And it seems to agree with everything the voice and the hand inserted within says! *SHOCK!* How this article is anything but cheap advertising for M$ is anyone's guess. /. used to filter this kind of thing.
I see no difference between the two search engines. However I like Bing presents a beautiful picture everyday. It's unobtrusive. The only time I use Google is to check my Gmail. I stopped using Google when Google link my Youtube to Google and killed all of my Youtube settings. Since both are the same, I rather not support Google for giving me a hard time. Like some has posted earlier, search engine is just a commodity. Google seem to go out of its ways to pissed of long time customers.
in EU we have ballot screen, so nobody knows what "Bing" is and there is little desire to find out.
839*929
Somewhat OT, but I was a DDG user not long ago until switching to Startpage. With the latter I get Google-based searches while avoiding at least some of G's privacy invasions. And their optional proxy is cool. I wasn't aware that DDG was using Bing. I would think that M$ and Google would not be happy with these alternative services leeching off them.
The man who dies rich dies disgraced. -- Andrew Carnegie
Google's done a great job at taking an efficient search and making it less appealing over the past few years not because of google bombs or other ways people play with the system, but because the basic search has become too "smart" for its own good. All I want are results for a couple of words and it over-thinks things. Yesterday I wanted to check on whether other people activate their lats while doing squats, so I search for lats squats, and even though it says it's returning those results -- and not auto-correcting 'lats' to 'last' -- most of the results include 'last' but not 'lats'. Thanks, assholes. I know there are ways to get around this shit, but having to type in extra quotes or plus signs with every single search would be enough that I'd just switch to another engine. Maybe offer a separate search page for overly-helpful AI, or a cookied option like with safe search?
One other basic annoyance is that searching for recent results offers no choices between 1 month and 1 year. That's ridiculous. And you have to load an entire separate page in order to be able to ask for only recent results.
tl;dr version: If Bing and Google results are comparable, it's just as likely from Google shooting itself in the foot as it is from Bing becoming better.
I recently switched to Bing, 'cause my Google search settings kept forcing Instant Results on me even though my settings have it turned off. That was so annoying, I started using Bing after a month of fighting with the Google settings. So though the search results themselves might be almost as good, I find the overall experience better. Google's losing me over the past several months, and I was a huge Gman.
Bing doesn't give me the results I expect yet.
I tried the ultimate test to compare both search engines: ego-surfing. When I google for my last name, my homepages are displayed first. When I use bing, my mom's linkedin page is on the top of the list. And she doesn't even know what linkedin is, and how come she have a an account there! Epic fail!
All in all, I'd say that googling myself works much better than binging myself.
Of course they're nearly as good. They were caught stealing Google's search results.
how is babby formed?
bing is not getting better, google is getting worst simple as that... with so many programmers here how come we are not building our own search engine, I just don't get it.
Bing has gotten better. A year ago, it couldn't even search its own website (search for WP7 dev kit yielded nothing on the first two pages), yet Google did. Now their own website shows up!
Anyway, it's not surprising that Bing is getting more like Google, since they are actively copying Google.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Everyone knows Microsoft’s Bing uses Google search results—and denies it, yet they even screw this copying process up?
I can say, it's not as good as google's results. I've been using DDG due to their privacy policy being better than Google or Bing's. But for anything technical: searching for info on some open source library APIs, or for specific error messages arising from (say) deep inside Boost, or things like this, the Bing backend's results are vastly inferior to Google's.
It's probably fine if what you search for is mostly related to Justin Bieber or whoever - I wouldn't know.
As more and more people have focused on 'winning' the search results on google, I've gotten more and more 'wrong' results there. Bing has caught up with the google of today, and sadly neither can compete with the google of 4 years ago.
"Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?" --Stephen Hawking
i was not aware that there was any sort of feedback mechanism.
I just tried bing on a list of sample (obscure, complicated) queries that are relevant to me, personally. google found the correct page in 3 out of 4. bing got 1 out of 4.
I wouldn't make any grandiose claims on a sample size of 4. But from a "quick and dirty check" perspective, I won't be trying bing again anytime soon.
BTW: since when are vendor competitiveness claims newsworthy? It always annoys me when stories like this show up on slashdot. Yes, the high-powered $vendor_X executive whose livelihood depends on $product_X has publically claimed that it is equivalent. This is a story? I don't care which vendor you're talking about: the vendor's own claims about relative competitiveness are not newsworthy. Wait for an (impartial) third party to declare that $vendor_X's products, which historically were viewed as inferior to $vendor_Y, are now equal or superior. Or wait for $vendor_X to announce a new feature. Then you have a story.
In other news, tofu manufacturers say tofu is nearly as good as chicken, and hip replacement manufacturers say their hips are nearly as good as your original hip.
It's not very hard to be "as good as Google" if you're copying their search results...
Mr. Ballmer wishes to believe that this will be the year of Bing On The Desktop.
I propose that we in the linux community dispatch a team of our disappointment-hardened counselors in order to help him work through the stages of the inevitable grieving process in an efficient and healthy manner...
they finished scarfing down Google's search database, and are just working on fine tuning what percent of false negatives to return?
I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on the Internet. Blog
My chair buying budget was eliminated this year as a cost cutting measure. Ballsy is going to have to forage on his own.
I switched over to Bing in protest of some Google hijinks that I can't even remember a while back and I haven't gone back. Bing works quite well for me for pretty much everything. On occasion I won't be able to find what I'm looking for and I'll go try the search on Google and it's very rare that the results are any better.
Also the fact that it doesn't show me a bunch of pointless posts from Facebook every time I search for something is a major plus.
Rule of Acquisition 239 says: Never be afraid to mislabel a product.
I wouldn't want to see an internet where Microsoft had the controlling share of the search market. I've had enough of them attempting to destroy the market while they controlled the desktop (and I'm still dealing with that).
I use Microsoft's products where it's appropriate and/or necessary, but avoid them where it's anything close to a judgement call. I'm certainly not going to help them gain a new monopoly where they don't currently have one. Keeping them hungry is probably good for the competitive environment.
Sometimes boldness is in fashion. Sometimes only the brave will be bold.
The different algorithms used by each search engine impart a unique "flavor" to the results. So when talking about how good a search engine is, you need to take that into account. For a long time, Bing just didn't taste good at all (e.g., the results were not accurate or complete enough). Now it is at a point where actually does taste good. Many people however don't get this, because they are judging whether or not it "tastes like google." But that isn't the goal. The goal is to develop a unique flavor that can be just as popular. So perhaps it would be easier for you to think of Google as Coke and Bing as Pepsi (or maybe Dr. Pepper). Now that Bing has finally gotten a good flavor, they can start working on getting more and more people to try it. Then they can be the choice of a new generation.
As it often happens on /. the summary is not correct.
In the linked article: "Bing's freshness -- search quality in terms of freshness -- is at least on par with Google" and "Shum believes that Bing has finally reached a point where it can compete with Google on a technical level".
Google still indexes a lot more websites (enter some rare keywords and Google will give you up to five times more results than Bing), and it allows quoted queries which sometimes allow you to find information much much faster.
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"Lowering in standards," like using 'Freshness' as a new metric for search? At least now I understand how an article about Bing can claim to be nearly as good as Google and still rise to a level where anyone cares.
I actually like a number of little things Bing does that make it useful to me.
For instance, when I search "movies" on both bing and google, I find bing gives me more relevant results on the first page. If I then click the Movies tab at the top it shows info laid out better (IMHO) than if you click on google's "Showtimes for..."
Bing lists movies and their showtimes by theater (with contact info and movie ratings) with a map at the side in a very clean layout.
Google lists by movies instead of theater. It adds a blurb about the movie, lists the director and top cast, and then lists the showtimes at each nearby theater. While it does give more info, I find it more difficult to find what I want. I can get the additional info google lists on bing by clicking on a particular movie. Most times I prefer to see the clean layout with the most important info listed only by theater.
This may just be a personal preference but I find that there are dozens of instances like this where bing happens to match how I'd like it and google may cram a bit more on the page but it's less relevant to me.
The one exception is that I prefer google's news layout over bing's. However, when I'm searching news I tend to go to multiple sites anyway so even though I prefer google's I still use bing's as well.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel_word
I couldn't find past hour/day/week search settings.
There are probably a lot more, but this was a glaring omission.
Patents Drive Free Software as Hurricanes Drive Construction Industry
Google still offers results relevant to my original search query, Bing does as well but usual far lower down in the results.
As for "Duckduckgo" I approach privacy in an entirely different manner, in other words I don't leave ti to someone to guarantee my privacy, and consider the aforementioned search engine to be disingenuous in claiming a privacy oriented search engine.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
I can't stand the Google interface anymore. I've moved on to DuckDuckGo, which provides approximately the same results, but with a much cleaner interface.
The search itself has been for a while. In fact the result sets were often pretty similar.
Google is better though. If, for example I type in "cinema times", google will tell me what movies are on and each is a link to a list of cinemas.
The other thing I find better is many of Google's tools. Bing's maps are actually pretty good, although I think Open Streetmap has advantages over both. Bing Translate is terrible, assuming the results are the same as those facebook gives me. I have Swedish friends. I don't speak Swedish. Translating in Google produces recognisably English sentences 9 times out of 10. Bing frequently fails on a lot of words.
I've been using ddg.gg a lot lately and trying as hard as I can to like it.
I like what they say about not tracking users, and if they hold to that, they'll get major positive marks in my book. Unfortunately, since they're using Bing as a back end, I have no way of knowing if they have full control of that.
I really like their position toward not tracking users and not skewing search results based on anything previously known about the searcher. That's the way things need to be done. Again, since they're using Bing, it's hard to be certain that there's no tracking going on, though it is pretty easy to determine if results are being skewed.
Unfortunately, ddg.gg's search results don't hold a candle to google's, as anyone who compares a few searches can attest. That problem is hard.
ddg.gg also has an interface annoyance for me: The results appear with a search bar at the top of the screen that is very different from the opening search bar. It's heavily javascripted, and I am unable to click inside the box to change the search term. To search again or make a slight change to my search term, I have to back all the way out to a blank field. I'm sure I could solve it with upgrading to versions of things that I don't want or turning off java or javascript filters that I do want, but I'm not going to do that. It's a deficiency in ddg.gg.
In any event, I will continue to try to use them.
Bing is grrreat! for 99% of my searches. The only thing lacking in Bing is that if you search for something technical - like looking for a programming answer on a message board. Google is far better at providing message board results and therefore usually better for 'technical' questions.
Part of Bing's problem is that they're trying to be "as good as Google". They need to be better than Google to catch up. Bing still has half the market share of Google. Most of Bing's traffic is from Internet Explorer, where Bing is the default browser. Few people use Bing by choice.
Google has its vulnerabilities. The quality of the business data in Google Places is pathetic. Small businesses complain constantly about Google Places, but it's not their fault. Google can't even get the big ones right. Google Places sometimes thinks Ford Motor Company headquarters is a medical clinic, that WalMart headquarters is a pharmacy, and that Fannie Mae headquarters is permanently closed. It also thinks that Coit Tower, a San Francisco landmark, is a carpet cleaning service. Try searching for Fortune 1000 companies in Google Places. The results for major companies are often just wrong. Google's approach to business locations is still very keyword-oriented, which makes it error-prone and easily spammed. It's quite common for a search for a major company to map to a hotel near their HQ.
These are "Places" queries. If you ask that question of a map system, you probably want to go there. These are queries for which there is a right answer. It's not an opinion. It's not a popularity contest. It's not "social". Google can't handle that.
Bing could win by getting that right. Real data is available about businesses and business locations.
I still have to use Google to find things on microsoft.com because Bing doesn't cut it. Sad.
Keep the Classic Slashdot.
Would anyone use the not quite, but almost as good (according to the developer) product?
Especially when it's Microsoft, because fuck them.
Microsoft are evil. I don't touch their OS, I don't touch their software and I am not touching their search engine. So there.
So, Google employees planted a web site, then used the Bing tools to go to that page and tell Bing that the page was a relevant result.
Looks like sabotage on the part of Google employees for Google's gain.
The follow up article: http://searchengineland.com/bing-why-googles-wrong-in-its-accusations-63279
Says lonely man with bitch tits.
I put my books on Amazon, Smashwords, Demonoid, ISOHunt and Pirate Bay. Search for 'Michael Cargill'
Google results via SSL proxy, with image and video search, content filtering, etc. VERY nice.
https://www.startpage.com/
From iXquick, in NL. These are the folks behind the iXquick anon proxy service.
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
It's pathetic to suggest that after years of effort you are almost as good as the competition.
You should see the number of people who boycott Sony for its activities... they buy an Xbox instead...........
People like to take a moral stand but they also like their shiny so they make a stand and then ignore any evidence their new stance is even more insane.
Don't like MS? Go for Apple and claim it is so much more open and less evil... no matter what Apple pulls because else you have to not just give up your shiny but admit you have no morals either.
It is very human.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Mirosoft confessed that Bing is worse than Google. Who'd a thunk it?
Some here might say "Bing is even worse than Google", of course.
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. - Voltaire
can you imagine a real leading company saying that: Ford. Our hybrids really are nearly as good. Burger King: our hamburgers are nearly as good. AMD: Our processors are nearly as good. American government: our freedom is nearly as good.
jeezus christ, get a clue. with marketing like that, it's no wonder you have to wrap everything in antitrust lawyers to have a chance of shipping anything or retaining any users.
“Nearly as good,” analogous to almost a virgin and a little bit pregnant.
HRH The Duke of Windsor
Bing would need to be a whole lot better than any of the alternatives before I'd be tempted to go anywhere near it voluntarily. Just like Noka's phones - they're tainted by Microsoft and I'd rather rifle through the index cards at my town library than run the risk of giving them one yota of power - they have shown over and over and over again they WILL abuse it as soon as they can.
Microsoft - just say no.
Mr. Ballmer wishes to believe that this will be the year of Bing On The Desktop.
I propose that we in the linux community dispatch a team of our chair-hardened counselors in order to help him work through the stages of the inevitable grieving process in an efficient and healthy manner...
There, fixed it for you
Your "nearly as good" alternative since 1975.
Nearly as good as TinyBasic
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Nearly as good as CompuServ
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Nearly as good as Unix
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Nearly as good as Apache
Nearly as good as Java
Nearly as good as MacOS again
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Nearly as good as Google search...
The hits just keep coming!
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
Google was creeping me out... it was just too large and it bothered me that the other search giants were dying. So I made a point of using bing as much as possible.
When I started using it... it was worse then google... a lot worse. But now it's about the same.
I still sometimes check google when I'm not finding something on Bing. But increasingly I've found that if it isn't on bing it won't pop up on google either. So they seem about the same to me now.
We should be happy about this... I know lots of people just hate MS for being MS... but do we want only ONE search engine? We need to support alternate engines just to keep a dynamic marketplace.
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
http://html5zombo.com/ is as good as google html5.
-- Terry
60% of the time
We're almost as good as our competitor ...
If you aren't part of the solution, then there is good money to be made prolonging the problem
Microsoft astroturfing on the front page. No use of "$" in the acronym "M$" What the hell has happened to Slashdot?
Per my subject-line above: Think about that - MS has FAR more product lines than just web-oriented stuff (which IS what GOOGLE essentially is, other than Chrome that is/afaik).
* One thing about Microsoft, is this: They do just like Google does (buy off apps, if not devs too), & they WILL excel, because you DO get what you pay for, usually...
I know the type of talent that works @ MS at the "star" level too, & they're truly something to see because of things they've done, built, or were part of.
(I.E.-> 2 of my "technical/intellectual heroes" in fact, in Turbo Pascal/Object Pascal/Delphi's creator & "top-aide" (for lack of a better expression) in Mr. Anders Heijelsberg (sp?) + my "fellow polish person", Mr. Chuck Andrezewski (sp?))...
In fact, I even PREDICTED here that after MS bought off Mr. H. from Borland, that Chuck Andrzeski would be next -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=155172&cid=13007974 (in a post where it was about my being considered for work @ MS)).
&, "lo & behold", he was, not TOO long afterwards (lol, my "ESP" was operating on TURBO that day I suppose).
Mr. H. made it to the distinguished engineer title there (one that only 16 others @ MS held in fact) in only 2-4 yrs. time iirc... & the other devs @ MS said this of he:
"His design skills are WAY 'above the norm'"
BOTTOM-LINE, is this:
You can NEVER, EVER count a company out that has those kinds of "guns in its arsenal"...
(Also, many others feel the same about Dr. Mark Russinovich as well (I respect his work immensely, though we have "differed" on a couple things over time, & used to do work for the same company thru the 90's))
APK
P.S.=> It's a "street fight" now, & "may the best man win"... either way? Who gains?? Heck - we do: This is one time I feel that competition, is good!
... apk
Since '97 or so, I've rarely used anything other than google; but this past year has made using them suck profoundly. First, as someone who copy/pastes URL's between browser( or elinks ) and xterm, having a SERP link get transformed into a 100+byte qstring to route through their site absolutely blows ponies. Even when I'm not logged in. Now, Bing does that as well.
Adding insult to injury, I used to get decent results using +/-, quotes, and 'Fravia's tips':)
Now they ignore it all with the notice "(without punctuation - Learn more).
SERP's blow mightly and has seriously mucked up my search-fu.
Used to be, google was Alices' Restaurant, now it feels more like a soup kitchen who monitors my intake. Worse, all the other search engines suck just as bad; either re-packaging or running on a lo-cal diet.
(sorry for the food analogy, but I hunger for 'more input':)
I've tried a dozen or so other seach sites, but in no short time, I'm back to google; holding my nose all the way.
resist propaganda
Chlamydia nearly as good as condoms
I have a script that scans my media and tries to determine what movie it is based on its name by simply searching for the name in a search engine, and taking either the first imdb reference on the results page, or the most frequently occuring one.
The idea is for users not be be forced to rename their movies but let the script harness the algorithms on the search engine to work it out.
In my testing Google beats both Bing and Yahoo easily for accuracy of searching and has less false positives. However too many automated searches will quickly lock out the IP address on Google. So now I search both Bing and Yahoo at the same time. If they disgree on the imdb reference, only then I search Google, to cast the deciding vote. This gives very accurate results, but not much more than if I could use Google alone.
Yahoo is behind Bing for accuracy in my testing. I though Yahoo signed a deal with Microsoft and were going to start using Bing 'technology' at some point. When they do my current method will become redundant.
you fool.
you were not a long time customer.
you were (are?) a long time (logged) product.
as they are not using cookies or other tracking stuff, they just cannot track you this way.
I was a big fan of Google way back when, very early days. But as Google gets bigger and more powerful I get more concerned, and their privacy and data-snarfing issues don't make me comfortable at all. I don't want companies profiling me.
So, I'm no fan of Microsoft's business practices past or present, or much of any of their software. But I hope Bing provides some competition, just to keep Google in line.
I use DDG as my primary search engine. For a lot of things it works great, and has features that I find useful. When I'm searching for esoteric Linux config questions or equivalent, I reluctantly have to switch to Google, which provides better info. But with change DDG will get better. The fact that they want to be a search engine and not link me into their other "products" is reason enough for me to use it.
If this were Usenet, I'd killfile the lot of you.
Microsoft has a history of just "Being good enough" and nothing revolutionary that really compels someone to think of them in any generalized application. For example the instant messager we have at my work is called MOC by Microsoft. Copying and pasting rich text in to it causes the entire line of chat to get distorted. It would take a simple 15 lines of code to strip out the rich text formatting and then using the color values and font from the rich text to format it to what the MOC uses. Its not in their best interest to polish the program yet at the same time it definitely hurts their image as a software company.
Bing finally has caught up with Google... great! What have they brought to the table that makes Google(or Apple) look silly?
Leaves nearly as good as toilet paper. - Claims oak tree.
Silence is a state of mime.
It must really suck being a pedantic uptight anal retentive spelling and grammar nazi on the internet.
You're always throwing in your 2 cents, it's never about the topic at hand, but you're always right.
And yet. Nobody cares what you have to say. You are a joke. At best.
That is a sad life. And yet you're oblivious to it.
That's just so sad. I feel bad for you. But i'll get over it.
There. I'm over it.
Bing still fails the Santorum test...
Where's the option to mod the editor down?
Nearly as good is not nearly good enough.
To compete they must be a lot better.
Oakgoof's caught stalking by ac posts, again yesterday (he was caught doing it before, see below) and, after he was exposed doing that, he also ran from a technical question also (several of them in fact).
Answer it 'smart guy', lol http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2717169&cid=39310043 ("see penguin noob/ac stalker run" everyone, lol, BIG amusement).
Hairyfeet, another well-known member here, would be GLAD to verify that you stalk him by anonymous coward posts as well like you were caught doing here before also -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2559120&cid=38298896
Yet MORE evidences of this fool OakGOOF trolling/stalking/harassing by ac replies:
A.) Oakgrove trolling ac 1st n later caught using his reg'd acct http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2584140&cid=38448496
B.) Then signing off as his normal account here http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2584140&cid=38451650 .
C.) Posting ac and signing off as Oakgrove (same style apk uses but apk doesn't register here @ all, OakGoof does).
Talk about stupid - same mistakes, same being caught, but this time? We're exposing you SICKO!
Yes - We "have the cure" & it's called embarassing you for your reprehensible antics in stalking/harassing others here with your ac posts, as well as exposing your technically weak b.s. in computing by running away from a tech question that's way over your limited head, and questions about Linux that you ran from 25 times or more, lol!
And Zune was every bit as good as the iPod.
That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
lmao: "says Microsoft"
Seriously. In the last 6 months or so Google has gotten really bad. Half the time I search for something it returns irrelevant information. Very often it returns results that don't match any of my search terms.
Google has gone down hill.
I've been using ddg.gg a lot lately and trying as hard as I can to like it.
I like what they say about not tracking users, and if they hold to that, they'll get major positive marks in my book.
That's exactly what I've done, and the position I hold. I went so far as to change ddg to be my home page in all my browsers, instead of Google. For me, a new home page is the first place I go to search, and the search bar is the second. (The awesome bar surprised me the other day with googly results because I mis-moused and hadn't changed firefox's default search provider. That's how un-awesomed I am by that turd of innovation.)
In any event, I will continue to try to use them.
Me, too. Google had many years of being the most powerful engine on the planet, and counted me amongst their legions of devoted followers, but with their pervasive google-analytics scripts on every third page on the web, doubleclick banners everywhere, and who knows what else tracking people, I'm throwing my lot in with anyone who even pretends to offer me some privacy (real or imagined.) I'm hoping that with more use, ddg will be able to grow.
Their search results aren't quite as current as Google, but they seem somewhat more relevant. It could be the Bing engines. It could be that the spammer's link farms are so finely tuned to google's Page Rank that they're not as attractive to different ranking algorithms. Or it could be that they just don't have the spidering capacity to fill their servers with the worthless crap yet.
John
You should have been clued in it was a silly question by the fact that so few people have ever searched for "lats squats," that it wasn't in the autocomplete.If you have JS turned off, Google doesn't synonym switch on phrases that are commonly searched. Latissimus dorsi muscles are worked enough for satellite cell activation with the lat pull down machine (meh) and weighted pullups. Squats are quads, hamstrings, glutes and lower back.
Who's the fairest one of all?
Evil queen throws fit, beheads dwarfs. News at eleven.
Have gnu, will travel.
HOSTS files work. In fact, here's a slew of people from /. that agree, security experts & more.
Just so our "peers" here will make you look a fool this time, not just myself & along with the technical shellacking you've received last night, and RAN from, you noob:
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18++ SLASHDOT USERS EXPERIENCING SUCCESS USING HOSTS FILES QUOTED VERBATIM:
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"Ever since I've installed a host file (http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm) to redirect advertisers to my loopback, I haven't had any malware, spyware, or adware issues. I first started using the host file 5 years ago." - by TestedDoughnut (1324447) on Monday December 13, @12:18AM (#34532122)
"I use a custom /etc/hosts to block ads... my file gets parsed basically instantly ... So basically, for any modern computer, it has zero visible impact. And even if it took, say, a second to parse, that would be more than offset by the MANY seconds saved by not downloading and rendering ads. I have noticed NO ill effects from running a custom /etc/hosts file for the last several years. And as a matter of fact I DO run http servers on my computers and I've never had an /etc/hosts-related problem... it FUCKING WORKS and makes my life better overall." - by sootman (158191) on Monday July 13 2009, @11:47AM (#28677363) Homepage Journal
"I actually went and downloaded a 16k line hosts file and started using that after seeing that post, you know just for trying it out. some sites load up faster." - by gl4ss (559668) on Thursday November 17, @11:20AM (#38086752) Homepage Journal
"Better than an ad blocker, imo. Hosts file entries: http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm " - by TempestRose (1187397) on Tuesday March 15, @12:53PM (#35493274)
"^^ One of the many reasons why I like the user-friendliness of the /etc/hosts file." - by lennier1 (264730) on Saturday March 05, @09:26PM (#35393448)
"They've been on my HOSTS block for years" - by ScottCooperDotNet (929575) on Thursday August 05 2010, @01:52AM (#33147212)
"I'm currently only using my hosts file to block pheedo ads from showing up in my RSS feeds and causing them to take forever to load. Regardless of its original intent, it's still a valid tool, when used judiciously." - by Bill Dog (726542) on Monday April 25, @02:16AM (#35927050) Homepage Journal
"you're right about hosts files" - by drinkypoo (153816) on Thursday May 26, @01:21PM (#36252958) Homepage
"APK's monolithic hosts file is looking pretty good at the moment." - by Culture20 (968837) on Thursday November 17, @10:08AM (#38085666)
"I also use the MVPS ad blocking hosts file." - by Rick17JJ (744063) on Wednesday January 19, @03:04PM (#34931482)
"I use ad-Block and a hostfile" - by Ol Olsoc (1175323) on Tuesday March 01, @10:11AM (#35346902)
"I do use Hosts, for a couple fake domains I use." - by icebraining (1313345) on Saturday December 11, @09:34AM (#34523012) Homepage
"It's a good write up on something everybody should use, why you were modded down is beyond me. Using a HOSTS file, ADblock is of no concern and they can do what they want." - by Trax3001BBS (2368736) on Monday December 12, @10:07PM (#38351398) Homepage Journal
"I want my surfing speed back so I block EVERY fucking ad. i.e. http://someonewhocares.org/hosts/ and
I tried this a few months ago, I tried it 2 minutes ago, and I will continue to use this as my yardstick as to if Bing is even approaching the usefulness of Google: I present, The Guild Test. .... Doesn't. I tried a few of the first links and none of them take me there. Close, but a miss.
In each search engine, search for "the guild season 4 episode 5".
Results to date: Google provides, in the first item found, a link to Season 4, Episode 5, of The Guild.
Bing
Why the Guild? The Guild is hosted by Bing video, and sponsored by Microsoft.
Microsoft, thank you for sponsoring The Guild, I really like it. But your search engine blows.
http://imgur.com/gallery/7w6Rw
"Bing executive: 'We have caught up' to Google in search quality" - Los Angeles Times, June 23, 2010.
That's just sad
Pity we can't force idiots like to this use Bing as their punishment.. would cut down this type of problem in no time
You have a sick, twisted mind. Please subscribe me to your newsletter.
I know exactly what you mean bro. It's yet another example of the same thing I've been seeing with Google lately--just changing shit for the hell of it cause they think it should be a certain way, with no regard to those who are negatively affected by the change. It's the exact same attitude we see with groups like Gnome, Ubuntu, etc, and will be the doom of Google for the same reason.
Best troll I've seen for ages
Someone mod this +1 funny :P
Describing Google as Evil and Microsoft as the better alternative to that seems a little suspect to me. There seems to be a fairly widespread ant-Google campaign going on
There doesn't need to be an anti-Google campaign. Google's actions are enough to screw them on their own.
My definition is that when I enter some search results, the first three hits listed make sense. As someone who regulartly touches PCs of other people -people clueless of what the quick search bar in the top of their browser is using as engine- I can say that for me the main way to distinguish between Bing and Google is by looking at the search results: With Google I typiclaly find what I look for dead on, while Bing manages to confuse me and make me look again whether I typed the correct keywords. I must admit, they are slightly improving, but reputation comes by foot and leaves by horse, as we say in the Nethelands...
Throw something like "that movie with that guy with the sword that can't die" at google and you get highlander. Bing kinda blows for that sort of search.
There is no way I would ever use a search facility named after an irritating 1940s smoothy singer with Brycreemed hair and ears that stuck out too far.
Just the word "Bing" makes me think of that dreary "White Xmas" song that, every year from late October onwards, every shoping mall and large store puts on their PA system in endless loop mode.
Define "nearly" please.
I wrote a short story called "It's hard living in Jerusalem during the winter".
Search engines, can you please help people find it?
Google: First result.
Bing: Not found - at least not in the first 250 results. Searching with quotes does help though.
DuckDuckGo: Miserable failure - even quotes don't help - and it IS supposed to use other search engines.
So either Bing and DDG suck, or they just hate me personally. Either way, I'm not going to use any of them.
hemi
I think Bing is nearly as good as Google now.
Yet another bombshell hit the beleaguered Google community today as Microsoft said their search engine is better than Google. This automatically makes Yahoo everyone's default search engine and all web servers will be replaced with outdated and unpatched versions of Windows NT Server. That is all
Has Microsoft stopped stealing results? Gonna get flamed, but they also claim their spam filter for hotmail/live is good too. Azure never crashes, .NET keeps the stock market up and their Enterprise products are 99.9% up. Well at least they manage to keep Bing up, but how does that scale without PageRank (PigeonRank?). They just don't seem to do well using groups of computers to run their services.
Society use your Sciences
I still have yet to use Bing to search for anything. Hell, I actually use Altavista more than Bing :) I'm surprised MS hasn't killed it off yet.
I've always used Google as search engine and at least in Spain is the form used by over 90% of active members. Bing hopefully improve and have the option to use this search effectively.
I've told many people how Google beat others in one respect: they didn't force users to see an ad until AFTER they submitted a search.
I just ran over to the Bing.com main page and it had no ads. I wonder how long that will last....
Maybe when you hear of people "Binging" for an answer....
I've had enough with Microsoft's anti-competitive cheating (essentially), astro-turfing, stomping on competitors.... Google may have their problems, but they have it within their culture to at least try to do the right thing by their user base.
Microsoft is very tough on their competitors. Google's aggressiveness is aimed at their users. This reflects their business models. Microsoft's customers are the people who buy Microsoft software and hardware. Ad-supported services are a sideline for Microsoft. Google's customers are their advertisers. Google users are a product.
Can't see Libre Office when I type "office"
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Google vs Bing: http://www.bingle.nu/
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I tried it for a little while, a few months back. I loved their shiny yet clean interface, I loved their philosophies... but after using it for a little while, I realized that at least 75% of all the things I searched for, I gave up and prepended !google to the front of it to get any useful results. So I gave up and just went back to google.
Have they really gotten that much better in the past few months? I doubt it...
I've found a few new controller boards this way. I search for porno on the news groups not a web browser.