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Scientists Work Towards Naturally Caffeine-Free Coffee

First time accepted submitter eternaldoctorwho writes "Research has been underway to produce a coffee bean plant that naturally has no or little caffeine content. Now, it looks like that might become a reality in the near future: Paulo Mazzafera of the University of Campinas in Brazil has come closer than ever with a strain containing 'only 2% of normal caffeine levels.' Coffee, anyone?"

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  1. Caffeine-free coffee by Z00L00K · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's like a car without wheels or a computer without a CPU.

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    1. Re:Caffeine-free coffee by Idbar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agree. Like I care to get coffee for the taste. If I want something tasty, very likely it will be a smoothie or plain juice. I wonder if Starbucks has statistics about the consumption of decaf?

    2. Re:Caffeine-free coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's like taking the cocaine out of Coca-Cola.

    3. Re:Caffeine-free coffee by Pascal+Sartoretti · · Score: 2

      It's like a car without wheels or a computer without a CPU.

      Yeah, this was also my first reaction.

      But some people (like me) have trouble sleeping if they have coffee after 4-5 PM; so it would be nice to be able to have a real coffee (not a decaf) after dinner.

    4. Re:Caffeine-free coffee by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Insightful

      STOP THESE PEOPLE!

      Decaffeinated, Sugar Free, Low Fat Guardians to the GAtes of Hell!

      Those things are not a problem.

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      Never been known to fail..."
    5. Re:Caffeine-free coffee by oldmac31310 · · Score: 2

      I drink coffee mainly for the taste. But you don't know me so you are still correct.

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    6. Re:Caffeine-free coffee by Pascal+Sartoretti · · Score: 2

      So, you're saying you actually like the taste of coffee?

      Like ? No, love !

    7. Re:Caffeine-free coffee by neurophil12 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I would love such a drink. I'm extremely sensitive to caffeine, but I enjoy coffee quite a bit. In fact, the stuff is more likely to put me to sleep than keep me awake, so I tend to enjoy coffee after some dinners rather than early or during the day. Occasionally I have a cup of decaf during the day. If this coffee becomes available I'd drink it much more frequently than I drink coffee now.

      I've heard of others like myself, though I doubt we're a particularly large portion of the population, so we are probably not a major reason for this research. Still, why are you so against people having a less processed low-caffeine option? And how is railing against such a possibility with zero facts or specific arguments in any way insightful?

    8. Re:Caffeine-free coffee by CannonballHead · · Score: 2

      Some people like the taste of coffee, cream, and sugar, but can't have caffeine. Like my wife.

    9. Re:Caffeine-free coffee by JustOK · · Score: 4, Funny

      Like my wife.

      Sure, what's her facebook id?

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    10. Re:Caffeine-free coffee by sadness203 · · Score: 2

      I'm diabetic type 1 myself, and I do put sugar in my coffee. You just have to take that into account when you give yourself insulin and that's ok. Type 1 should never be afraid of sugar, they just need to adjust there daily insulin needs.

    11. Re:Caffeine-free coffee by locallyunscene · · Score: 2

      Because it's /. and most of this is tongue-in-cheek anyway.

      Personally, I would love to have non-processed coffee after dinner and not be up the rest of the night.

    12. Re:Caffeine-free coffee by Malties · · Score: 2

      I drink coffee all day long because I have found that not only do executives not like it when we fall asleep in thier early morning meetings, they don't like it in the late afternoon meetings either... or any other meetings as far as I can tell.

    13. Re:Caffeine-free coffee by stjobe · · Score: 4, Funny

      Aye.
      It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
      It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed,
      The hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning.
      It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

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    14. Re:Caffeine-free coffee by Fnord666 · · Score: 2

      I wonder if Starbucks has statistics about the consumption of decaf?

      I would expect so since some time ago they stopped brewing pots of decaf coffee after noon local time. I would hole that this decision was based on some hard data. It didn't make sense to me though. I prefer decaf later in the day so I can hopefully get to sleep at night.

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    15. Re:Caffeine-free coffee by arth1 · · Score: 2

      So, you're saying you actually like the taste of coffee?

      Coffee made the European way tastes very nice to my palate.

      Coffee made the American way, not so much. It is generally lighter roasted (first crack) and brewed much slower (slow-drip), which brings out a lot of acidity and caffeine. Add that Central American beans are generally higher in organic acids than African grown beans. So to compensate, it's often made much weaker, generally using about half the amount of coffee grounds.
      And yes, coffee brewed the American way includes Starbucks - it's just stronger American coffee.

    16. Re:Caffeine-free coffee by jimbolauski · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I would love such a drink. I'm extremely sensitive to caffeine, but I enjoy coffee quite a bit. In fact, the stuff is more likely to put me to sleep than keep me awake, so I tend to enjoy coffee after some dinners rather than early or during the day. Occasionally I have a cup of decaf during the day. If this coffee becomes available I'd drink it much more frequently than I drink coffee now. I've heard of others like myself, though I doubt we're a particularly large portion of the population, so we are probably not a major reason for this research. Still, why are you so against people having a less processed low-caffeine option? And how is railing against such a possibility with zero facts or specific arguments in any way insightful?

      You might have ADHD, caffeine has been shown to treat the effects of ADHD, many people with ADHD claim that drinking coffee before bead calms them down and they fall asleep much easier.

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    17. Re:Caffeine-free coffee by HornWumpus · · Score: 3, Funny

      Couldn't these scientists build better weapons or something else useful?

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    18. Re:Caffeine-free coffee by CastrTroy · · Score: 2

      According to this article, coffee falls into the "acquired tastes" category. Almost nobody likes it at first, but eventually your brain starts to associate the taste with receiving a drug (caffeine) and starts to interpret the taste of coffee as pleasurable. I think very few people would "like" (black) coffee if they only ever tasted decaffeinated coffee. Just as nobody would smoke if there was no drug involved. Also, even most coffee drinkers I know don't actually like coffee. Being in Canada, I know plenty of people who like their double-doubles (or triple-triples, or even quad...) , but I know very few people who like their coffee black. I've met almost nobody who likes Tim Hortons who also drinks their coffee black. Most people don't like coffee, but enjoy milky, sugary drinks which happen to contain some coffee, as long as they don't taste too much like coffee.

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    19. Re:Caffeine-free coffee by Belial6 · · Score: 2

      More likely the exact opposite.

    20. Re:Caffeine-free coffee by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      Exactly right. Not by coincidence, I have 17lbs of various single-source green decafs coming on Friday. The beans run about $7/lb, and that's for the more expensive beans that aren't decaffeinated with methylene chloride.

      I wind up figuring out a blend that's as good as the $32/lb fancy decaf from Italy.

      My 'fancy' coffee roasting gear consists of a dutch oven on a gas grill.

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    21. Re:Caffeine-free coffee by Prune · · Score: 3, Informative

      And yet, some of the top baristas in the world, as shown by international competitions, are to be found in North America (for example, the founder of Vancouver's Caffe Artigiano was in the top three in the World Barista Championships multiple years). The west coast is particularly good for this. Seattle in the US and Vancouver in Canada have several small chains with extremely well trained staff and who commonly purchase their coffees from auctions offering selections of best-of crops for a given growing season. In other places in North America, however, it can be a bit harder to find good coffee, let alone a barista that can pull a proper espresso show by knowing how to properly adjust his tamping technique and tweak the grinder setting each day as a batch of roasted coffee ages and requires these adjustments daily. The reverse side of this coin is that there is a significant community of amateur coffee geeks who can give the pros a run for their money (you can get a pretty good coffee roaster online for little over $100, and a decent burr grinder for about the same)--enthusiasm and experimentation can go a long way.

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    22. Re:Caffeine-free coffee by snowgirl · · Score: 2

      In the process of making decaf coffee, they produce raw caffeine, which they can then add to soft drinks, and stay-awake pills.

      Your Mountain Dew comes as a direct result of my decaf coffee!

      This new variant will reduce the amount of raw caffeine available, or they will have to start growing crops just for the caffeine content, but it doesn't make sense to do this at all, when they could just keep making decaf coffee.

      Also, caffeine is an insecticide. These uncaffeinated coffee plants will be more susceptible to pests, and thus be more difficult to raise, or require more pesticides to keep them healthy.

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    23. Re:Caffeine-free coffee by enrgeeman · · Score: 2

      I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks of the bed-sheet-fart when reading dutch oven. It always takes me a moment to realize that it's just a fancy pot.

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  2. Blasphemy! by HeavyDDuty · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If it has no caffeine it isn't coffee. Yes, this includes decaf.

    1. Re:Blasphemy! by delt0r · · Score: 3, Funny

      It is like an energy free Energy drink! Sheesh, if ya don't want caffeine, perhaps coffee is not a good choice of drink? It is like a skier that doesn't like snow. There should be something about the wookie defense in here somewhere too. It does not make sense.

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    2. Re:Blasphemy! by MisterMidi · · Score: 2

      If it tastes just like coffee (unlike the decaf crap) but doesn't keep me awake at night I'm all for it.

    3. Re:Blasphemy! by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      After the late night host David Letterman had bypass surgery, he had to switch to decaf. It was a running joke for weeks:
      "Decaffinated coffee: It's just useless warm, brown water."

      He even had a jingle created every time he mentioned it.

      Decaffinated coffeeee--it's what they serve in Hell

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    4. Re:Blasphemy! by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Funny

      Decaffinated coffeeee--it's what they serve in Hell

      A thief dies in a gun battle with police, and when he reaches hell, he's given a tour and told he has a choice of how he spends eternity.

      The first place he is shown has a man with oozing sores all over hime, in agony.

      The next one shown is a man chained to a wall.

      The next room has a bunch of people up to their waists in raw sewage drinking coffee. The murderous thief says "I guess that's my choice." He's given a cup of coffee and wades into the cesspool.

      The next thing he hears is "Ok everybody, coffee break's over. Go back to standing on your heads."

  3. You RUINS IT! by Warhawke · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wicked, tricksy, false! It chokeses, burnses us! Gollum! Gollum!

  4. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Scientists Work Towards Naturally Caffeine-Free Coffee"

    Why would anyone do such a thing?

    1. Re:Why? by heteromonomer · · Score: 2

      The amount of self-centered 1-dimensional thinking on slashdot is just appalling, and not to mention, ignorance about anything biotech. You are not the only person in this world, and yours is not the only choice!!! FFS Decaf sells for a reason. People like me. I like coffee. I can drink it all day, any time. For the taste, for the smell. But I can't because of the caffeine. It gives me jitters after one glass. So.. people... please stop thinking that everything that someone with a different opinion does is wrong. Also, I am a biotechnologist.

  5. Coffee = Caffein, Next: Bitter Sugar by Vernes · · Score: 2

    So you have a brown bitter liquid which lacks the characteristics of coffee?
    We already have that, it's called E150

  6. This Is Just Wrong by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And we wonder why people see scientists as evil, soulless bastards out to destroy the very fabric of society? Doesn't this university have an ethics committee?

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    1. Re:This Is Just Wrong by chthon · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, only a faceless auditing committee

    2. Re:This Is Just Wrong by SleazyRidr · · Score: 2

      Funny doesn't give karma, insightful does, many people will mod a funny post insightful or informative to give the poster karma.

  7. Good lord! by masteva · · Score: 2

    Non caffeinated coffee is like non alcoholic beer! And you can't tell me you drink either for the taste!

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    1. Re:Good lord! by mvdwege · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In some countries beer is actually more than just carbonated piss.

      Mart

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  8. What's next? by mordejai · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wonder what other abominations they'll come up with next...

    Non-alcoholic beer?
    Sugar-free candy?
    Fat-free milk?

    Oh, wait...

  9. Heretics! by blackicye · · Score: 3, Funny

    We have to stop science!!

  10. Where will soda get its kick? by big_oaf · · Score: 2

    I've heard/read that most caffeine that ends up in soda and energy drinks is the caffeine that's pulled out of coffee during the decaffeination process. If all coffee growers switch to naturally caffeine-free coffee, won't that drastically reduce the supply of caffeine as an ingredient, causing its price and therefore Mt. Dew's price to spike? Uh....

    ... gone to stock up on Mt. Dew ...

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  11. in other news... by spectrokid · · Score: 4, Funny

    scientists are working on orgasm-free sex, first person shooters with blank bullets, and political discussions free of nazi-references. Next up: soccer games where swearing at the referee gets muffled with anti-sound.

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  12. I think I've heard about this before... by Yvan256 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The new strain invariably produces something that is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike coffee.

  13. obligatory xkcd link by tinkerton · · Score: 2

    you know which one I mean, just imagine I put it here.

  14. Re:Why, you ask? by Bobfrankly1 · · Score: 2

    I've been drinking coffee for 50 years. No grandchildren yet, and I intend to be around to watch them grow up.

    Yeah, yeah -- not a reason most people on /. can identify with.

    I on the other hand, intend to be awake *sip*.

  15. I've mostly given up coffee by Pope · · Score: 3, Informative

    I used to love the stuff, 2 a day on most work days. I stopped cold turkey at the start of February, giving in to a quarter cup after 3 weeks after a big breakfast when up north. Had half Starbucks "short" this morning because I was just too damn tired.

    I was partly inspired by this blog article, partly by health concerns that had developed over the previous few months including a feeling of over-sensitivity to the caffeine, and partly just to see if I could do it.

    After the first week of withdrawal symptoms, mostly slight headaches in the afternoon, I was pretty much operating as normal. I think it's good to force one's self out of a habit for a while.

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  16. Then they farm it... by brainboyz · · Score: 2

    If they farm it and it cross-contaminates the world coffee DNA, there will be an apocalyptic uprising of caffeine deprived people.

  17. Wrong Direction by ari_j · · Score: 5, Funny

    Almost twelve years ago, Slashdot posted an article about the caffeine gene in coffee plants being isolated. At that time, the Futurama references were fresh, but what we all wanted was caffeinated bacon (and baconated grapefruit). Or at least caffeinated apples. An apple with caffeine would solve 100% of the problems in my life. The future was promising. We all believed that genetic engineering would allow this gene to be spliced into other vegetables, animals, and yes, even minerals by now.

    Now, over a decade later, the last great promise of the pre-9/11 world has been broken. We are using science not for good, but for evil. Our only hope is that the scientists committing this blasphemy drink their own creation and fall asleep before they can finish their work.

  18. "Worst scientific breakthough EVER!" by Lashat · · Score: 2

    - Jeff Albertson

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  19. Re:What's the point? by oGMo · · Score: 2

    My coworkers all think I'm weird because if I need the caffeine in the morning, I drink a coke.

    That's probably because according to Mayo Clinic at least, a 12oz bottle of coke has 30-35mg of caffeine, and a cup of brewed Starbucks coffee has 330mg. A cup of Starbucks decaf has 25mg, so you're essentially drinking slightly more than what regular coffee drinkers would consider decaf.

    That said, coffee doesn't always taste like crap. I'm pretty picky myself and wouldn't touch the sludge you get at work or restaurants for the most part that's been sitting there all day. However, $25 gets you an Aeropress which makes coffee that tastes excellent, quickly. Of course you'd also want a coffee grinder and ideally 175F water on demand, but hey, you don't need an expensive coffee maker.

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  20. Re:What's the point? by Belial6 · · Score: 2

    While there are plenty of people that fit your descriptions of 1 and 2, the idea that coffee tastes bad because some people don't drink it straight is like saying that salt tastes bad because some people don't eat it straight. I like the taste of coffee, just like I like the taste of salt. I don't want to drink coffee straight any more than I want to drink salt water.

  21. Re:Why, you ask? by mcgrew · · Score: 2

    I've been drinking coffee for 50 years. No grandchildren yet, and I intend to be around to watch them grow up.

    Then you should start drinking coffee. It has a lot of health benefits, including warding off dementia and slowing the brain's aging process. Of course, if you have a medical condition that precludes it, you shouldn't drink it, but barring that, coffee is good for you.

    Cancer. Coffee might have anti-cancer properties. Last year, researchers found that coffee drinkers were 50% less likely to get liver cancer than nondrinkers. A few studies have found ties to lower rates of colon, breast, and rectal cancers. Several studies have shown that caffeinated and decaffeinated coffee have different health effects (see chart).

    Cholesterol. Two substances in coffee â" kahweol and cafestol â" raise cholesterol levels. Paper filters capture these substances, but that doesnâ(TM)t help the many people who now drink non-filtered coffee drinks, such as lattes. Researchers have also found a link between cholesterol increases and decaffeinated coffee, possibly because of the type of bean used to make certain decaffeinated coffees.

    Diabetes. Heavy coffee drinkers may be half as likely to get diabetes as light drinkers or nondrinkers. Coffee may contain ingredients that lower blood sugar. A coffee habit may also increase your resting metabolism rate, which could help keep diabetes at bay.

    Gallstones. Coffee drinkers are less likely to suffer symptomatic gallstone disease, possibly because coffee alters the cholesterol content of the bile produced by the liver.

    Parkinsonâ(TM)s disease. Coffee seems to protect men but not women against Parkinsonâ(TM)s disease. One possible explanation for the sex difference may be that estrogen and caffeine need the same enzymes to be metabolized, and estrogen captures those enzymes.