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Business Cards the Latest Internet Casualty

Hugh Pickens writes "Chalk up another looming casualty of the Internet age: business cards. Ubiquitous as pinstripes, the 2-by-3.5-inch pieces of card stock have long been a staple in executive briefcases. But now, writes Matt Stevens, young and Web-savvy people who are accustomed to connecting digitally, see business cards as irrelevant, wasteful — and just plain lame. 'When I go into a meeting and there are five bankers across the table, they all hand me business cards and they all end up in a pile, in a shoe box somewhere,' says Diego Berdakin, the founder of BeachMint, a fast-growing e-commerce site that has raised $75 million from investors without ever bothering to print a card. 'If someone comes in to meet me, we've already been connected through email, so it really doesn't feel like a necessity in my life.' Some 77 million smartphone users have downloaded the Bump app, which allows them to bump their phones together and instantly exchange contact information. Others carry a personalized quick-response code that smartphones can scan like a hyperlink. At 36, Ralph Barbagallo is near the cutoff for Generation Y but despises business cards all the same. Barbagallo says he goes to three major conferences a year and has to distribute paper cards, but lugging and exchanging fistfuls of them is a pain and it's hard to remember who is who. 'When they run out this time, I'm not printing any more,' says Barbagallo. 'They need to die somehow.'"

243 comments

  1. The Answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    QR Code containing VCard on the back. Tada, became relevant and useful again.

    1. Re:The Answer by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 3

      I'd prefer a no-paper solution. Like a standard/protocol to exchange that information between cell phones (e.g. a working Bump).

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    2. Re:The Answer by azalin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      QR Code containing VCard on the back. Tada, became relevant and useful again.

      I couldn't agree more. Anyway I don't think it's the card itself that is obsolete, but the practice of throwing useless cards around like confetti. I have no idea how many useless cards I have already thrown away, but sometimes they come in useful. But usually only if I wanted the info in the first place.

    3. Re:The Answer by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2

      These solutions, like the article itself, will go over BIG in Japan.

      Not really.

      The card-ritual is as important and formalised as teh flippin' tea-ceremony.

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    4. Re:The Answer by Ihmhi · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Japan has had this for years (as they have with QR codes, which we're just getting around to now). Phones have an IR port - you just touch the ports to one another and it exchanges contact information.

      I swear, the fastest way to become rich in America with cell phones is to go look at what Japan is doing today and shamelessly copy it as fast as possible.

      Also of note on things we can't quite do yet: paying for train/bus fare and using it like an RFID credit card.

    5. Re:The Answer by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Been there, done that. Remember the Palms, Visors, HP whatevers and the original PDAs? All with IR ports. Wonderful things they were.

      Could output to a printer. Made a wonderful TV remote. You could program it with a secret code to have the UN's black helicopters home in on it.

      We've lost so many things. So many things.

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    6. Re:The Answer by aktiveradio · · Score: 1

      This is how my company does the business cards. OR code on the back of each card.

    7. Re:The Answer by morari · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's what I do. I have a fairly traditional (if not stylish) double-sided card. One side has the logo and slogan, the other has basic contact information and a QR code. The thing is, business cards are just another form of advertising. They're not necessarily about "making a connect", they're about canvasing. Furthermore, the get passed around to new people. I redesign my cards just a bit about every year when I need more printed. Because of this I can tell how long any particular card has been around. Parents pass cards onto their kids, friends to each other, etc. Some of my cards have been in circulation for years, and I get new business because of it. Anyone who is writing off business cards as a bygone antiquity just doesn't understand marketing... then again, most of these "web-savy" kids don't. Not everyone has a smart phone, after all.

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    8. Re:The Answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the N900 had IR, too, but only transmitter -- precisely for TV remote usage. A few of us discussed building a companion receiver/decoder for the audio jack, but when I realized it would only have permitted memorizing remote codes, not actually communication, I lost interest in that.

      Theoretically, bluetooth replaced IR, and can do everything IR did except remote control, proximity detection, and such weird hacks, and a lot more besides. Unfortunately, with phones from different manufacturers using such varied subsets of bluetooth, a lot of functionality was lost in practice.

    9. Re:The Answer by stesch · · Score: 1

      Except that they don't really work that well. The character set is undefined, so you end up with different interpretations of non ASCII characters in different apps. And not all necessary fields are available or get recognized in every app. Nope, I'd really like QR code to work for this, but they don't.

    10. Re:The Answer by hairyfeet · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While I haven't needed business cards in awhile (too overworked as it is) I always liked to use the little "mini-CD" business cards myself, because not only did folks remember them but at least then you could hand them something useful. The ones for the last band i was with had two tracks that didn't make it onto the album along with links to the website and for the shop it had AV and malware scanners that could be run from the disc along with a nice little launcher that gave the contact info as well as links to useful FOSS software like open office and Firefox. That way they at least got something useful out of the deal instead of just some card they'd toss or forget about.

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    11. Re:The Answer by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      I'd prefer a no-paper solution. Like a standard/protocol to exchange that information between cell phones (e.g. a working Bump).

      A friend is working on it. Using QR-codes - sender displays a QR-code full-screen on his phone and the receiver simply takes a picture of the sender's phone. No need for remote connection to servers for basic contact info, if you want more like file transfer then it can try ad-hoc wifi or some bluetooth thing, or on newer phones NFC.

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    12. Re:The Answer by am+2k · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I like to use the backside of business cards for writing notes about that person (for example, why I should contact them at all). Don't take that valuable space from me!

    13. Re:The Answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Working on it? This was in the first barcode scanner I installed 2-3 years ago (and my guess is that wasn't new than).

    14. Re:The Answer by acedotcom · · Score: 2

      The back of my cards have QR Codes on them...works great and i have been doing that for years...but as far as I am concerned the article is irrelevant because 90% of the people I deal with ask me for a card. And if you are in business, especially for yourself, you don't want to be caught out there without everything your clients ask for.

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    15. Re:The Answer by timeOday · · Score: 2

      I really do miss PDA's. If I could just buy a pay-as-you-go smartphone I would, but there's really no such thing. (By "smartphone" I really mean "android", since tracfone's so-called smartphones have no apps and can't even sync with Outlook from what I can tell. Sheesh, my old Palm PDA's had tons of apps that I liked a lot).

    16. Re:The Answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I miss that ability from my old Palm V. Just hold down the contact button for a couple seconds and it would send your contact info over to another Palm device. You could even send applications and games over IR.

      Also, using one of those universal remote applications that was able to learn codes from a television remote, I was able to record a friend's keyfob code and unlock his car.

    17. Re:The Answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you seen a QR code? It doesn't need to take up the whole card...

    18. Re:The Answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      These solutions, like the article itself, will go over BIG in Japan.

      Not really.

      The card-ritual is as important and formalised as teh flippin' tea-ceremony.

      Citation Needed.

      Describe grinda pulp, mixa with tea, filtera paper, calendera paper, mixa ink, brusha text, and hand finished product to businessman. Explain how he can steep the card to produce a cup of tea.

    19. Re:The Answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes there is. Go buy an unlocked GSM Android phone and sign up for pay as you go with T-Mobile or AT&T. That is exactly what I did.

    20. Re:The Answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Parent here, I agree and it sucks, but I just attempt to limit the number and variety of fields to bare basic ones for better compatibility. It's pathetic that Nokia, Android/Google and Apple can't implement a fairly simple standard properly.

    21. Re:The Answer by timeOday · · Score: 1
      So it worked? I had found this thread that suggested that approach, but it sounded like a crapshoot because the cellco can tell you actually have a smarphone. On the previous slashdot story on this I could have sworn some guy said he worked for a carrier and they periodically "upgraded" everybody with a smartphone to a data plan (and sent them a bill), although I couldn't seem to find that post just now.

      I think I might go for it though.

    22. Re:The Answer by timeOday · · Score: 1

      PS, on that previous slashdot story somebody had favorably mentioned ting. Now that I look at it, it looks pretty good, the minimum charge per month (if you make no calls) is $6/mo, which is comparable to tracfone and less than other so-called pay-as-you-go plans (t-mobile is min. $15/mo and there's no data available on that plan). On the other hand they don't have a good selection of cheap phones like tracfone, so you're looking at $190 or more per phone before paying for the first month of service, ouch.

    23. Re:The Answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. it works fine and in fact they have a number of plans specifically intended for whatever you might want, whether it's voice/text or if you want data too. I don't think they really care what kind of phone you have, you just go into one of their shops and buy a SIM kit for like $10, choose your plan and put in whatever amount you want. Periodically you can either top up by going to a participating cell phone shop or just add more time directly on the phone with a credit card.

      I use T-Mobile and they offer pay as you go, pay by the day and Monthly4G.

      I use pay by the day, which costs me nothing unless I place or answer a call, at which point it charges me $2 but then all calls, texts and data cost nothing extra for the next 24 hours. There is a cheaper $1 pay by the day plan that charges $0.10/minute for non T-Mobile to T-Mobile calls between 7AM-7PM, unlimited texts and has no data service. There is also a more expensive $3 plan that is the same as the $2 plan, except the data speed is faster.

      The pay as you go plan looks like a standard add time for a set amount of minutes. I'm not sure what texting and data is like on that since I don't use this plan.

      The Monthly4G looks like a standard contract plan where you pay anywhere from $15 to $70/month for various services, except it doesn't require a contract.

      T-Mobile Pay By The Day plans
      T-Mobile Pay As You Go plans
      T-Mobile Monthly4G plans

      I imagine AT&T offers similar plans, but I am not sure of the details.

    24. Re:The Answer by lightknight · · Score: 1

      Have you tried Virgin Mobile? They have Android phones, including the Motorola Triumph, which has a 1 Ghz processor and 512MB of RAM. I've loaded it up with CyanogenMod, which while not officially supported, is being worked on. I'm running it on my phone right now (though it does have the odd issue of freezing at the boot screen if you leave it alone too long, but then, it's beta). Add in a 32GB microSD, and it's hour of fun.

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    25. Re:The Answer by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      So it worked? I had found this thread that suggested that approach, but it sounded like a crapshoot because the cellco can tell you actually have a smarphone. On the previous slashdot story on this I could have sworn some guy said he worked for a carrier and they periodically "upgraded" everybody with a smartphone to a data plan (and sent them a bill), although I couldn't seem to find that post just now.

      I think I might go for it though.

      You're not as transparent as you think you are, even with GSM. Every phone has an identifier called the IMEI number (international mobile equipment identity, I think?). It's a super-serial number for the cellphone. It not only identifies the phone (model, submodel, etc) but it also is its serial number. And it's unique worldwide.

      Every time you put your SIM card in a new phone, your carrier knows (because the IMEI is new). Every phone manufactured is in the database, so put your SIM in a smartphone, and they know if you moved from a dumbphone to an Android or iPhone or whatever.

      Whether or not they care is another thing. Some carriers don't, because they know one mistake and they can ding you for those bytes (a lot of carriers offer "pay as you go data" plans - i.e., it's a data plan you're always signed up for as part of your voice plan. Of course, it's some stupidly high rate like 10 cents a kilo (not kibi) byte).

    26. Re:The Answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I went paperless for my business cards. Now I have translucent plastic cards. I get lots of compliments on them and they help make me stand out from the ton of generic paper cards.

      There are some really fancy cards you can get now, from having mirrored finishes to a full lenticular with animation.

    27. Re:The Answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but you haven't "been there, done that", because most people didn't have PDAs. And, although they had IR, they had different specs, different protocols, etc. *ALL* Japanese phones have compatible IR ports. One person selects "Send Contact", and the other person selects "Receive", and it Just Works(tm). This even includes the Japanese Android phones, and of course all of the feature phones. So the other person doesn't need to be a PDA toting dork, just have a phone. In fact, about the only phone that doesn't work, is the iPhone. But then the iPhone is lacking 1Seg TV, saifu keitai, and a lot of other stuff.

    28. Re:The Answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, we have had QR codes and phones with IR ports in Japan for years. Business cards aren't going anywhere, however. Few people bother scanning QR codes, and the IR port is seen as something people would use to exchange contact info in private settings, not professional meetings.

      As for Bump, I'm really curious to know who's actually using them. I do a lot of business with startups in the US, and I have yet to meet a single person who has asked me to bump phones with me, even when I have my iPhone prominently displayed on the table. Bump is a nonstarter for me, incidentally, because it completely fails to do the two most important tasks paper business cards fulfill: 1) keep track of who is who during meetings with people I've never met--I have a terrible time remembering names and faces, so I lay out the cards to correspond to people to keep the names straight; and 2) scribble notes on them so that I can continue to keep the names straight if I ever get a second meeting with them. The former is just not possible on Bump, and the latter is theoretically possible but looks downright rude--the last thing I want to do is to start playing with cell phones in front of customers.

    29. Re:The Answer by hoggoth · · Score: 2

      My mini-CD business cards contain a set of malware that install root-kits as soon as they are inserted into your computer. They've worked out really well for me; Paid for a skiing trip to Aspen.

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    30. Re:The Answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Japan was still using faxes instead of e-mail well into the late 1990s so I wouldn't automatically extend what works in the US to Japan. Many, many US companies have made that assumption and it's usually been Epic Fail.

    31. Re:The Answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most people with money don't.

  2. I want cards with those scanner codes embedded by msobkow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I want to set up a business card with one of those digicodes on the back that can be scanned by a smartphone, such as appear on YouTube VEVO broadcasts.

    Realistically, business cards are for giving people your contact info, and nothing more. I never give business cards to people who already have my contact info, but they're invaluable for shows and conferences where they don't have your contact info.

    Plus they're handy for dropping in to those "win a meal" restaurant promotion draws. :)

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    1. Re:I want cards with those scanner codes embedded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >

      Plus they're handy for dropping in to those "win a meal" restaurant promotion draws. :)

      You know what they do with your card after the promotion is over, right?

    2. Re:I want cards with those scanner codes embedded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You never win meals. They just keep the cards for future advertising.

    3. Re:I want cards with those scanner codes embedded by Luyseyal · · Score: 1

      And coupons!

      -l

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    4. Re:I want cards with those scanner codes embedded by iamhassi · · Score: 5, Informative

      I want to set up a business card with one of those digicodes on the back that can be scanned by a smartphone, such as appear on YouTube VEVO broadcasts.

      Realistically, business cards are for giving people your contact info, and nothing more. I never give business cards to people who already have my contact info, but they're invaluable for shows and conferences where they don't have your contact info.

      Plus they're handy for dropping in to those "win a meal" restaurant promotion draws. :)

      Business cards are about as useful as books or magazines: they're instantly available, need no electricity, can be passed from person to person, etc. You can run into someone in an elevator and during your 20 second pitch hand them a card. Not everyone's going to say "Oh let me get out my smartphone and start the QR code app and scan the QR code, etc". Maybe they don't have time for you. Maybe they're already using their phone (very likely). Maybe they only half heard you because they have something else on their mind. Whatever the reason, business cards are useful.

      I still have IT internet-savvy entrepreneur .com types ask for business cards. They're not dead.

      Usually I hang on to cards I'm handed until I have a few seconds to scan the QR code. If there isn't a code I take a photo of the card with the smartphone and toss the card.

      But thank you for this article, reminded me I should see if there's "an app for that", some sort of app that can scan a business card and add them to my contacts. Quick google search lead me to this page with the top 10 iPhone business card scanning apps available. I'll try some of the free versions and see which works best.

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    5. Re:I want cards with those scanner codes embedded by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      So... why don't you just go generate a vCard QR code (type "QR Code Generator" into your favorite search engine) and then have that added to your business cards?

    6. Re:I want cards with those scanner codes embedded by msobkow · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Gee, I guess the burgers and stuff I've eaten over the years were a figment of my imagination.

      I don't win often, but I do win.

      And I've never found myself put on a spam list or otherwise had my contact info abused for doing so.

      Unlike web companies, brick and mortar businesses like restaurants still give a damn about their customers.

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    7. Re:I want cards with those scanner codes embedded by msobkow · · Score: 2

      Not everyone's going to say "Oh let me get out my smartphone and start the QR code app and scan the QR code, etc"

      Precisely why I want to have the QR code printed on the back of a business card I can hand out. They'll have the text version for the 90% of the population that doesn't know what the interesting pattern of dots on the back is for in the first place. :)

      I don't expect this "bump" capability someone mentioned to be any more useful than the Palm Pilot's ability to beam your contact info via IR was. Even though I had my PP for years and there were many people I ran into who had one as well, I can only recall beaming my contact info twice. It was a neat idea, but a pain in the ass in practice -- it was just far quicker and easier to hand someone a card than to pull out a compatible device to beam with.

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    8. Re:I want cards with those scanner codes embedded by msobkow · · Score: 1

      Well, yeah, that was kind of the plan.

      I didn't say it was hard to do or even a novel idea. Just saying it's what I plan to do with my cards.

      I've never gone to a printing company without my own design and layout for business cards. Why would I want to use one of the "stock" layouts and look like everyone else? If your card doesn't stand out for any reason, it just disappears in the pile.

      The most unique card I've ever seen was from a fellow who worked in the custom metal and steel forming industry. The used their own stamps and laser etching equipment to print thin steel business cards a little thicker than the typical razor blade. Now those stood out in a stack. Not sure what happened to mine -- I hung on to the one he gave me for years, just because it was so different.

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    9. Re:I want cards with those scanner codes embedded by number6 · · Score: 1

      Our business cards have a QR code on the back. If you want an old style business card, we can give you one. If you want to just stick our contact details into your phone, then just turn the card over and scan the code. I could also display the QR code on my phone, but I'd rather pass a bit of disposable cardboard around a group of strangers than my phone.

      I'm also bad at remembering names and faces, so if I've just been given some cards at the start of a meeting, I can drop them in front of me and glance at them to recall who is who.

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    10. Re:I want cards with those scanner codes embedded by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      Oh sorry, you just sounded a bit clueless... my mistake :D

      I've also started keeping a shortcut to a QR Code (saved as an image file) on my Nexus - when someone with a smartphone asks for my info, I can pull it up right from my lock screen with a single tap (takes about a second - literally)... then they can scan it directly off my phone's display - that keeps the amount of scanned-once-thrown-away business cards low. Just in case you're looking for more ideas ;)

    11. Re:I want cards with those scanner codes embedded by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Remember if you generate your QR code with high enough redundancy, you can destroy an amount of the center of it to embed a logo or such, while leaving the QR readable.

      Also, it only cares about contrast differences between dot and no-dot, so you can play with colors too.

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    12. Re:I want cards with those scanner codes embedded by Barbara,+not+Barbie · · Score: 2

      Why not go a step further and just embed your QR code into your screen wallpaper? Even works for those non-smart "feature phones".

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    13. Re:I want cards with those scanner codes embedded by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      Okay, now I'm the clueless one... how exactly do feature phones read QR codes?

    14. Re:I want cards with those scanner codes embedded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      Yes, make the code harder to scan. That really helps make it more convenient.

      What one should really do is figure out a way to make a code with as few modules (pixels) as possible (use L redundancy and the most efficient encoding), make the contrast as high as possible (i.e. black on white) and leave the required four modules wide white border around the code. The last bit is actually quite important because scanners have a much harder time scanning codes without the "quiet" zone. And print the code big enough. 1 mm^2 modules are a good target size, which means a version 6 code with L redundancy is the highest capacity code before you have to compromise on the size and/or the quiet zone. That gives you 134 bytes of data, which is a tight budget for a VCard.

    15. Re:I want cards with those scanner codes embedded by Barbara,+not+Barbie · · Score: 2
      They don't - BUT:

      You can show a QR Code on the home screen, so anyone with a phone with a camera can just snap a pic - smartphones will interpret the pic, feature phones will store it for decoding later (either email it to your pc or laptop, or use a webcam to interpret it on your pc or laptop).
      The good thing about QR codes is that you don't have to type in a web address or email url or whatever - so even if all you have is a feature phone, leverage it. Anyone you run into with a smart phone will be able to get your contact info from your QR code, and you can snap a pic of theirs, and use a webcam to decode it later.

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    16. Re:I want cards with those scanner codes embedded by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      Ah right... And I just got your part about the screen background... I'm supposing you meant the lockscreen wallpaper. I still have some room on my lockscreen, so that's actually a great idea :-)

    17. Re:I want cards with those scanner codes embedded by hawk · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Noone is going to be downloading *anything* directly into my phone like that.

      Various folks have been pushing electronic business cards for years. They really fall into two categories:
      1) spam me senseless operations, which are gathering data and presuming that this opts me into whatever they want to send, or gathering data for the "mothership," again for marketing purposes, and
      2) multi-level marketing nonsense, designed to get people to "pay" for this service.

      The two are not exclusive.

      No, I will *not* text to a number or download an ap for your "electronic business card.". It's not going to happen.

      And these operations aren't that different from the MLM nonsense like the "hello world" video mail of five years ago, which was about ten years behind simply sending an attached file, or the various videophones running around right now (just $200 plus $30 month for each person) that work marginally better than Skype (on a good day) and are no match for FaceTime . . .

      A qr code on the back I'd likely use, but straight access to my data, or trusting your application/server/whatever just isn't gang to happen.

      hawk

    18. Re:I want cards with those scanner codes embedded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This....

      Also you are not always dealing with .com companies. Many 'old guard' guys have stacks of these things. It is the way they run their business.

      They are still good for 'oh yeah met that guy at that conference where is his card'... 'oh yeah thats his name and let me pop him off an email quick...'

      To think they are dead? laughable. They are still doing what they did before. That extra piece of paper hanging around to remind you 'hey we met and contact me'...

    19. Re:I want cards with those scanner codes embedded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A number of places will allow large numbers of people to "win" so that they can bring in more business (give away the burger so they buy the fries and soda). It works for me as someone who likes free things and if the service or product was actually good, I will come back.

    20. Re:I want cards with those scanner codes embedded by Barbara,+not+Barbie · · Score: 1

      Thanks. You could stick it on your lock screen, but some feature phones let you use any picture as a background on the main screen - a QR code there is as easy to share as flipping your phone open.

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    21. Re:I want cards with those scanner codes embedded by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why not go a step further and just embed your QR code into your screen wallpaper? Even works for those non-smart "feature phones".

      Enough with the half-measures already. Commit 100% - tattoo your QR code onto your forehead, or the back of your right hand.

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    22. Re:I want cards with those scanner codes embedded by flappinbooger · · Score: 1

      If you have a technical services business, giving people a card is useful, especially if it is a uniquely styled card that is memorable.

      I've had customers tack it to a bulletin board, set it in the lap drawer of their desk, etc, and then if they need my services - "where was that card, I need to call Flappinbooger! ... oh, here it is! THAT's his card!" and then bam, more business for me.

      A milquetoast cookie cutter generic corporate drone business card is nearly just a formality now, more of a badge or indication that "yes, we will keep you for the time being and we will signify that by taking the time to order you a $30 box of rectangular card stock with some contact information on it"

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    23. Re:I want cards with those scanner codes embedded by timeOday · · Score: 1

      I won an iPod Nano once at a trade show from dropping a business card in a jar. (This was a few years ago when they were the big thing.) I think I got some ads from them for a while, but not too long.

    24. Re:I want cards with those scanner codes embedded by justthinkit · · Score: 1

      Another use for the lowly business card -- giving the card of the salesman who sold you a car to your friend so that your friend can present that card to the salesman and save money...and give you a $100 commission.

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    25. Re:I want cards with those scanner codes embedded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it is a matter of time. and will be welcomed.
      won't be visible i don't reckon though.
      maranatha

    26. Re:I want cards with those scanner codes embedded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't mind business cards, just make sure it's standard size with nothing on the back(the back is for writing on). Don't try and be cute about it, it has to fit alongside the others or it goes in the trash.
      Oh, and I'm not going to scan a qr code.... I shouldn't have to decrypt your info..... weirdo.

    27. Re:I want cards with those scanner codes embedded by icebraining · · Score: 1

      Feature phones are not dumb phones. A Nokia S40 is a typical feature phone and they often can read QR Codes, since they have cameras and J2ME support.

    28. Re:I want cards with those scanner codes embedded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better yet, your arse!

  3. Only people who are full of shit use them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Business cards, just like business suits, have no real purpose other than to make "executives", "managers" and "professionals" feel important, and to make them think that other people consider them important.

    If you're of any value to me, I don't need your fucking business card. I'll already know how to get in touch with you, or I'll be able to find out very easily using other means.

    When somebody gives me a business card, I know they're full of shit. When that person is wearing a suit, I know they're doubly full of shit. Real people getting real work done don't go handing out business cards. They're too fucking busy doing real work!

    1. Re:Only people who are full of shit use them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about people posting on slashdot? It's awesome how many people work so hard these days, so, where is the result of all this work? Why do we need to work so much?

    2. Re:Only people who are full of shit use them. by LVSlushdat · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Geez.. I wish you hadn't posted this as AC.. I'd LOVE to know who has the SAME idea about these two abortions.. One, a suit, which is, howEVER you look at it, a uniform... I HATE uniforms.. After doing time in the US Army, I doubly HATE uniforms. And that demon-spawn from Hades, the tie.. Designed from the get-go to choke the living shit out of everybody who has the misfortune to work where they mandate them. Fortuantly, the tide seems to be turning away somewhat from them. I get a good laugh to see TSA bozos (and others) who wear those absolutely hilarious clipon ties. I'm the IT manager in a new startup, and the management team, being that is mostly people like me, who despise suits/ties, has ruled that our office wear will always be "business-casual", ie: polo-shirt/khakis. We REALLY hate suits/ties! In fact, when we schedule interviews (we're going to be hiring a fair amount soon), the interviewee will be strongly advised about "business-casual" dress for the interview.
      Since we're a startup, a discussion about stationary/business cards was held the other day, and the concensus on business cards was "waste of $$$"...

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    3. Re:Only people who are full of shit use them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're of any value to me, I don't need your fucking business card.

      Great. We've established that born-loser rednecks don't need business cards. Glad to hear it.

      Meanwhile, in the real world...

    4. Re:Only people who are full of shit use them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When everyone around me is wearing polo and khakis, wearing a suit breaks their uniformity, although I still go without the necktie.

    5. Re:Only people who are full of shit use them. by Bert64 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm not the original AC, but i also agree with you whole heartedly about suits and ties... I detest wearing a suit and/or tie, and find it utterly ridiculous that people have some kind of perception that someone wearing a suit is somehow going to do their job better than someone who isn't.

      In many cases, the opposite is true... Personally i find such clothing extremely uncomfortable, and will be spending more time thinking about how uncomfortable i am and watching the clock so i can get into some more sensible clothes, whereas if i was dressed comfortably i could concentrate more thoroughly on the work at hand. I've also found that people who aren't very good tend to wear a suit to try and hide their deficiencies, while those who are confidant in their abilities don't feel the need to dress in any particular way.

      Business cards i think are just obsolete, they served a purpose once but have been superseded by modern technology. Suits and ties never served any useful purpose whatsoever.

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    6. Re:Only people who are full of shit use them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about people posting on slashdot?

      slashdotters are the biggest bullshitters around. Take a look at the posts of {latest outrage posted today} and all the posters telling others what the *right* thing to do is.. always based on unrealistic ideals, and never what the poster would actually do if they were in that situation.

      It's awesome how many people work so hard these days, so, where is the result of all this work?

      You're asking slashdotters where the result of their hard work has gone???? I believe it would be *this site*.

    7. Re:Only people who are full of shit use them. by TCPhotography · · Score: 1

      If you find a suit uncomfortable, then you need a better suit - or you need to stop buying off the rack. I'm a poor college student, but one of the new articles of clothing in my closet is a tailored suit, and it fits like a dream.

      Plus there is just something about getting dressed up and taking your girlfriend to the Philharmonic/Ballet/Opera that is just plain *fun* (yes, after the event is more fun, but getting the evening off to a good start is fun too).

    8. Re:Only people who are full of shit use them. by Xeno+man · · Score: 1

      So in other words... you hate successful people and most likely because you are a failure.

    9. Re:Only people who are full of shit use them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, you're never going to be rich, are you?

    10. Re:Only people who are full of shit use them. by imadork · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ties cut off circulation to your brain and make you dumber. Wear a tie for too long, and the only job you'll be qualified for will be in Management.

    11. Re:Only people who are full of shit use them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TSA and other security people wear clipon ties because they come off it an attacker grabs them. But I generally agree with you, if you can't wear a proper tie then don't.

    12. Re:Only people who are full of shit use them. by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Why should i waste considerable sums of money on a tailored suit, plus further costs to buy more than one, plus the cost and hassle of dry cleaning (not to mention the toxic chemicals)...
      When i can just buy normal clothes for a fraction of the price which are perfectly comfortable?

      The best part of having a girlfriend is getting *un*dressed... And what you wear when you go out is pretty irrelevant anyway, you don't need to wear a uniform to go the to the opera.

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    13. Re:Only people who are full of shit use them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Typical American response. This is the reason you are a deadbeat, no attention to detail.

    14. Re:Only people who are full of shit use them. by mallydobb · · Score: 1

      wish I had mod points on this one...+1! In most situations I would agree with you completely, but at times business cards are appropriate. Think of a designer or artist, a well done, creative business card may be the first impression a potential client sees. At other times, depending on the context, a business card is a simple way to pass along contact information.

      I dislike just handing out cards for handing them out. As an NGO worker overseas there are moments where I wish I had a business card, it reflects on my work as my agency...but I don't hand them out unless another person asks for one or it seems that it is appropriate. When I get unsolicited cards I generally toss them in the bin and forget.

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    15. Re:Only people who are full of shit use them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why wear those 50$ shoes, when I can just go to a 2nd hand store and buy the same for 2$, right? Plus those damn toxic chemicals...

    16. Re:Only people who are full of shit use them. by metlin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I was going to moderate discussion, but I had to respond to your trollish comment.

      Business cards i think are just obsolete, they served a purpose once but have been superseded by modern technology. Suits and ties never served any useful purpose whatsoever.

      All cultures have social cues and dress codes, whether explicit or implicit. In other cultures (e.g. Europe), class is established through other means. However, in creating a "classless" society, people in US goes out of their way to understand the hierarchy of their fellows.

      Whether or not you are willing to admit it, dress codes are a large part of such perception. They provide a number of cues, both social and economic. You may disagree with them or even think they are meaningless, but you cannot wish them away. So, they do serve a purpose -- one of establishing social status and conveying one's position, even if you think it's unnecessary.

      Now, your statement on the comfort of suits and the like is particularly silly. It sounds like your suits are ill fitting, and not very well made. As someone who wears suits on a regular basis, I cannot tell you just how comfortable good clothes are. Good materials (wool, cotton with high thread count) and good fit (get the right size clothes, and take it to a tailor) can make a difference.

      Back on topic re: business cards, I use both personal and professional business cards. It serves a very useful purpose, especially when traveling (which I do, a lot). It's a quick and easy networking tool, and no matter what the denizens of Slashdot think, the vast majority of the world still uses it pretty regularly.

    17. Re:Only people who are full of shit use them. by sjbe · · Score: 1

      In many cases, the opposite is true... Personally i find such clothing extremely uncomfortable

      A decent pair of dress pants is more comfortable than any jeans. I see no point to neckties but good dress clothes are actually more comfortable than anything except pajamas. I don't care for suits and neck ties either but those are a somewhat silly extension of dressing up.

      Business cards i think are just obsolete

      Sorry but they aren't. You can find corner cases where some other technologies are better, but there is nothing out there that is going to make business cards go away any time soon.

      Suits and ties never served any useful purpose whatsoever.

      They serve a useful purpose. That purpose is to provide a neat and tidy appearance and instill confidence in those you are interacting with. Some people do not require a suit for this purpose to be accomplished. Some do. If you want to sell financial products, people are going to expect something more than jeans and a tshirt.

    18. Re:Only people who are full of shit use them. by Z34107 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why should i waste considerable sums of money on a tailored suit

      A few reasons, Bert:

      • Wearing a suit shows that you appreciate the gravity of a situation. If you show up to a meeting in jeans and t-shirt where everyone else is in suits and ties, you're flipping them the bird - "This meeting isn't as important as you think it is, and you're not as important as you think you are."

        Conversely, donning a suit and tie yourself signals to everyone else that they were worth dressing up for, and that their concerns are worth at least a minimum amount of pomp.

      • It also signals that you're not an autist and capable of dressing yourself. This will help you command respect from people who'd otherwise immediately pigeonhole you as "nerd."

      It's all about controlling your interactions with other people and managing their perceptions. Going to the Men's Wearhouse and saying, "I want to cosplay someone respectable" can do wonders for your professional success, especially when interviewing.

      That said, I'm happy my employer's dress code is essentially "nothing that would upset HR." If everyone else is in jeans and t-shirt, you should be in jeans and t-shirt.

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    19. Re:Only people who are full of shit use them. by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Amusing that some people resort to (anonymously) throwing insults when they have no reasoned arguments left...
      Incidentally, i'm not american.

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    20. Re:Only people who are full of shit use them. by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "Business cards, just like business suits, have no real purpose other than to make "executives", "managers" and "professionals" feel important, and to make them think that other people consider them important."

      I agree, except on the "only" part: they serve as a discovering token too, just like the suit.

      "If you're of any value to me, I don't need your fucking business card."

      This work both ways, you know. Probably they'll think, and will be as right as you, "if you think you don't need my fucking business card, you are of no fucking value to me".

      "Real people getting real work done don't go handing out business cards. They're too fucking busy doing real work!"

      There's more than one way of doing "real work". You can bet that the one that in the end signs your paychecks do a "real work" you value. And he/she probably wears suit and owns and exchanges business cards too.

    21. Re:Only people who are full of shit use them. by cbope · · Score: 1

      I generally cannot wear a tie anymore. Never mind what kind of shirt or how expensive it is, the kind of detergent or the dry cleaner used, it always rubs my neck raw by the end of the day (yes, it is sized correctly). For this reason I rarely wear them anymore. I will wear a sportcoat or jacket if required by the situation, but with an open collar.

      Luckily where I work, there is no real dresscode, unless attending tradeshows or meeting customers in the office. In the summer, t-shirts, shorts and flip flops are perfectly ok. Obviously, this is not in the US, but in Europe. Growing up in the US, there was far too much emphasis placed on how you dress and what you wear, rather than your knowledge or capabilities on the job. I don't miss that at all.

  4. Disagree completely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Although I love the idea of getting rid of paper as much as possible and attempt to employ that in my life where possible... there's nothing more annoying than if you're focusing on meeting someone for the first time, establishing a relationship and you have to say "Oh let me get my phone out, here, can you spell your email address for me? How do you spell your last name? Was that a B or a D you just said?"

    I hand you my business card, you can clearly see how my name is spelled and can match it up to what I just told you. Visual cue along with audio cue. Then you have their email address and phone number and can take that back to your office and put that into a contact book on your computer, then toss the card. Not to mention you can make notes on their business cards without having to "boot up" any device.

    Now, there might be something to be said for having some kind of "automatic business card exchange" application on phones, where you could pull out your phones and "bump" them with someone else's to get their info or whatnot, but honestly I'd still rather just hand the card over and maintain eye contact.

    In a typical interpersonal business exchange, what people take away from the meeting is roughly a 70/20/10 split between body language/tone of voice/actual words spoken.

    1. Re:Disagree completely by CrackedButter · · Score: 1

      Agree, I find then really useful as well and it still has a professional vibe around them. Asking for an email is clumsier and informal, I want to make a good first impression, which I don't think you can do with the 'newer' method.

    2. Re:Disagree completely by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Absolutely. Also it's like a neck tie. Many people in many situations and many industries may not need them. But if you're in an industry or situation where it's expected, people won't take you seriously if you don't have one. If you are self employed or work in anything connected with sales, you'd be mad not to have them. If you lose a single job or sale because someone didn't take you seriously, you've lost more than the cost of printing a batch. And it's not as if carrying a few in your wallet is any hardship.

      Personally I don't have them and don't need them, but they are essential for some people.

    3. Re:Disagree completely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree ... I hate this so much

      I use the 5$ vista print cards with just my name phone and email address to hand to someone that needs it ...
      this is by far the MOST efficient method of distribution contact information. Phones are clunky and a pita and if there is any amount of noise in the area it can often be difficult to understand what the other person is saying..

      When it comes to spelling, OMG, people assume you can spell what ever they rattle off in 5 seconds as a email address.

      With a business card I KNOW they have the phone number and email address right.

    4. Re:Disagree completely by Bert64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is that anyone is still small minded enough to not take someone seriously simply because they aren't wearing what they perceive to be the correct uniform. These preconceptions need to die a horrible death, someone's clothing has no impact on their ability to do a particular job and people should be free to wear whatever clothing is most comfortable for them.
      (wearing a suit is horrendously uncomfortable, and wastefully expensive... in the summer when the subways are blisteringly hot you arrive at work all sweaty, and have to spend a fortune in dry cleaning to keep cleaning your suits).

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    5. Re:Disagree completely by onepoint · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Most people don't understand the aspect of the business card as a form of personally identifying yourself to the other party. In my work ( real estate ) I have flexibility of my card design plus look and feel. I spent a very long time coming up with the right tactile feel that I wanted, the right font, and the right colors. it's part of the impression I want to make.

      A girl that I met recently was along the same lines, she was a graphic designer and had the most amazing card, it spoke a story of her skills and it only had her email address and name.

      that's why you want to spend time thinking about your card, it should speak a story about you. For example: if you are a coder, and you grok python, I would put some interesting code on my card ( bucket sort maybe or something that only another serious coder would note ).

      my card is simple: it's a 100% cotton bond, with watermark with my family crest, it has some cobalt blue outlines, with some forest green. my name, phone number, email and business name. Simple but elegant

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    6. Re:Disagree completely by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 1

      The ideal would be to have some kind of rf or bar code on the biz card as well to facilitate easy electronic capture. But I would always prefer a card as I don't have to worry about losing contact info if my phone goes brain dead or some other electronic system fails. One can also (as pointed out earlier) discretely put a notation of some kind on the back about the person or meeting and not have to try to type similar into your phone during the meeting.

    7. Re:Disagree completely by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 1

      ah.. welcome to the real world. And a suit (or at least a jacket and tie) ensures the company's employees present a minimally serious appearance to clients, competitors as well as other employees. Do you really want your potentially big client showing up for a presentation and having Bob from accounting walking around in shorts and a tee with pit stains because it is hot outside? Some will say 'oh you can lessen the standards and still look nice.' Well, the further you get from what is clearly as yes/no met type of standard, the more problems you have. What do you mean my shirt isn't nice enough? Or whats wrong with these pants? Etc.

    8. Re:Disagree completely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Stop wearing wool.

      I live in Houston and am constantly shaking my head at those who believe that wool is an acceptable choice of clothing for any season in our climate. If your region gets hot, this goes for you, too.

      Cotton suits get the job done just as well. Polyester suits seem to have a competitive style (you could probably say it's wool), and a cotton/linen blend gives off that Southern aura without all the wrinkles of pure linen.

    9. Re:Disagree completely by bytesex · · Score: 2

      When you are older, you will realize that wearing a suit is not small mindedness. It is about creating a fair playground.

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    10. Re:Disagree completely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What you wear is simply one way of filtering out possible applicants, similar to what someone puts on their Facebook. Would you hire me if I was wearing sweatpants and a wife beater? How about with bedhead hair and smell like rotten turnips... appearance IS everything and people will pay you more if you look like you deserve it. We can get rid of the "uniforms" but wearing what is "most comfortable" is never going to help you get a job.

    11. Re:Disagree completely by Ryanrule · · Score: 0

      Those companies are already dead. Bail. Bail fast.

    12. Re:Disagree completely by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      Oh, good for her. Tell her to make a website, cause I just tossed her card to the subway.

    13. Re:Disagree completely by Bert64 · · Score: 0

      It is completely arbitrary to consider someone wearing a suit to be "serious" while someone wearing shorts and t-shirt is somehow "not serious"...

      Wearing dirty or tatty clothes is different, but so long as clothes are clean and in good condition it shouldn't matter exactly what they are. It should be down to an individual to be an individual, not to wear a fixed uniform.
      Choice of clothes should be down to individual choice and environmental factors.

      Incidentally, in the summer and especially on the subway i see far more people wearing suits and ties with big wet patches under their armpits than people wearing t-shirts.

      Well, the further you get from what is clearly as yes/no met type of standard, the more problems you have.

      What your really advocating here is a uniform then, with everyone wearing exactly the same...

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    14. Re:Disagree completely by Bert64 · · Score: 0

      Exactly, small minded...

      If you were wearing clean sweatpants in good condition i wouldn't care.
      If you were a wife beater i wouldn't hire you because i wouldn't want people who commit illegal and/or violent activities. Plenty of wife beaters wear suits...
      If you smelled of rotten turnips i also wouldn't employ you, because the smell would adversely affect others. Your choice of clothes wouldn't.

      Not sure what you mean by bedhead hair...

      So long as someone is wearing clean clothes in good condition it doesn't really matter wether its a suit, sweatpants, jeans, a poncho or whatever. If clothes don't directly affect the job (eg someone working on a construction site should wear appropriate protective gear) then it shouldn't matter.

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    15. Re:Disagree completely by tftp · · Score: 1

      honestly I'd still rather just hand the card over and maintain eye contact.

      In this aspect some people in a large meeting full of strangers (visitors) like to arrange their business cards according to the seats those visitors took, so that they know who is who without any extra effort.

    16. Re:Disagree completely by slimjim8094 · · Score: 1

      Why clean, and why nice smelling (if they weren't around other people)?

      Formal/business attire is just an extension of that. We judge people by how they represent themselves to us. When a guy comes in wearing a suit and tie and a nice pair of kakhis, he went to some effort to appear professional to you. When he comes in wearing sweatpants, he didn't.

      It's a respect thing. I respect you, so I go to effort to present myself well in front of you.

      Sure, it's a pain in the ass, and sure there's no "technical" reason for it, but it is a fact that people respond to how you act around them. Appearance is part of that.

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    17. Re:Disagree completely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds you have some kind of sweating problem. Neckties are now being dispensed with in a great deal of situations - which is great since they're completely impractical, but having a work uniform that reduces the amount of time you have to spend thinking about to how co-ordinate business casual isn't all bad. And a suit jacket is a convenient place to have blackberry/iphone/scooby snacks.

      But this is a case of small-minded versus bone-headed. You are assuming that you can project your view of the world, and other people are going to actively work to remove any of their biases whatsoever to do with $(subject_of_conversation), and as geeks take over the world, the balance shifts towards $(your_sort_of_people). Good luck with that - in reality they will continue to use a variety of random things with which to judge you. "He's interviewing me, but he can't be bothered to wear a suit?". "He wants my money for this managed money fund, and he's so dedicated he watches the market in the shower, but he can't find the time to wash a T shirt and he was 20 minutes late for the meeting?". Yeah, none of this is never going to have any effect whatsoever on anything you do, and you don't need to make the most of any opportunities presented to you, ever.

      It's much like advertising - if your sales are down, the problem couldn't be the advert reading like a Linux manual! We're not bad advertisers, our customers are just thick! We don't want any customer who doesn't take the time to fully cogitate on the thesis that is our advert, and doesn't think like us - after all, all they have is $$$ we want. Think of it as personal PR, sales, influencing perceptions etc. You can project what you want to but putting the onus on the recipient? They won't change, they won't get it, and your job performance isn't necessarily enough to keep you above the guys who do wear suits. Assuming anyone even knows or cares what your job is or what your job performance is like.

      I'm sure this doesn't apply to you but in my experience the best guys just come up with a reasonable compromise and fit in - for example, wear a shirt & trousers and leave the jacket. If you can't afford cleaning, buy shirts and trousers and learn how to wash and press yourself. Some of the most disappointing people I've seen, on the other hand, do things like wearing beach shorts and flip flops specifically on the day they know there is an investor on-site.

    18. Re:Disagree completely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well "Small Minded" is a bit of a presumption. I know that my tie and the quality of my suit have nothing to do with my consulting ability. The people who interview me at clients probably know that too. But they *also* know that *I know* that I am expected to wear decent clothes to an interview. Therefore, if I decide to show up looking like a hippie, then I am signaling that I don't take them seriously and I don't really want the job.

      Technically, my sitting in the front row at a funeral and masterbating while I listen to the eulogy doesn't affect the quality of the eulogy either, but it's still not socially acceptable behavior. We live in a society, where we have social protocols we need to follow. Dressing decently for interviews, avoiding dirty jokes in some places, and having business cards available are all parts of those protocols. If you don't want to follow them, maybe nobody will force you, but don't assume that people ever believed that having shined shoes would make you a better soldier or salaryman - it's a social protocol. If you don't follow it, you will be shunned in many places. The whole "Well I didn't want to play with them anyway" attitude will fail fast when "them" turns out to be a large portion of potential customers or partners.

      Also, here in Japan, we have "Summer suits". They look normal, but are extremely thin (If you hold one up to a light, you can see through it). I wonder if they sell them in your location.

    19. Re:Disagree completely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For someone in the working class, yes a suit would be wasteful. It's an entirely different mindset at the business leadership level, or if one is paid to think. The worker bees get hung up on the cost.

    20. Re:Disagree completely by Chelloveck · · Score: 2

      Wearing dirty or tatty clothes is different

      Why? That's just as arbitrary a distinction as t-shirt vs. suit. Torn jeans, artificially "old" looking t-shirts, and the like are definitely hip among certain demographics. Why are you discriminating against them?

      The fact of the matter is, if you want to get along in business you have to look like you fit the role. You have to wear the uniform. In sales or financial situations the uniform is a coat and tie. Subconsciously it's a test: Are you going to play by the unwritten rules of the game? Are you going to adhere to the established social conventions? You're going to make people nervous if you fail to wear the proper uniform. You're part of the wrong tribe, you're a loose cannon.

      Should the world work like that? Maybe not. But it does. Deal with it.

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    21. Re:Disagree completely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well yeah sure, if your income is such that you can't afford dry cleaning then this article isn't even relevant to you in the first place. People who pick fruit or clean toilets for a living aren't typically even going to need business cards.

    22. Re:Disagree completely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love business cards from people in real estate. Their cards usually have some cheesy picture of themselves and absolutely horrible graphic design. It shows me just how sloppy and unprofessional they are right up front.

    23. Re:Disagree completely by dontclapthrowmoney · · Score: 1

      Absolutely agree - this probably makes me sound old fashioned but I think the business cards are classier. If I asked someone for their contact details, and they offered me their phone, I'd just ask them to e-mail me.

      I sometimes use asking "Do you have a card?" as a way of fobbing people off, if I were adding their contacts to my phone in that process I feel that they'd somehow have more justification for expecting me to call and let them take me out to lunch and try to sell me their crap.

      I want to be selective about who I add to my e-mail/phone contacts, I meet too many people and don't want to add "categorise contacts" to my end-of-day activities. Just because someone gives me a business card doesn't mean I rush back to the office and add them to my contacts list.

      For example, I will often meet with a group of people about a project, I will have one primary contact from that vendor but still collect the business cards from their boss, boss's boss etc at that meeting. I will keep the cards for the duration of the project in case I need to escalate an issue, and then I will ditch the cards when I don't need them anymore. I could do that with my contacts but I don't want to keep contacts in my e-mail for someone I am very unlikely to ever contact directly, and I'm less likely to clean them up at the end. There's also less point keeping those contact details long term because they aren't going to let me know about staff movements, and having a stale business card somewhere is less risky than having stale contact info in my e-mail client/phone, because I'm unlikely to accidentally send them a message.

      I'd also miss having a pile of 2" by 3.5" pieces of blank card to write stuff on the back of, so I'd hate barcodes on the back. And if we do ditch business cards then am I supposed to put my smartphone into the barrel to possibly win a prize at the next product launch (junket) I attend? (yeah I know they could scan them, but then they'd be "drawing a card from the barrel" electronically and no-one would trust it).

    24. Re:Disagree completely by hicksw · · Score: 1

      ...wearing a suit is horrendously uncomfortable...

      Maybe you ought to invest in a better suit.

      And there are excellent light weight woolen fabrics.

      I bought a black pinstripe about ten years ago for about £100.
      Good for business. Good for funerals. Good enough for my funeral.

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    25. Re:Disagree completely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At conferences I hand them out faster than I could wave my 'phone. In meetings I write notes about the giver on them. At presentations I leave a pile at the back with my presentation's URL on. By default you get my work email and number but I can scribble my mobile on it within a second. I never have problems with foreign names / accents, incompatible 'phones or flat batteries. I can happily exchange them when it's pissing down outside some club at 4am even though we've been drinking since the meeting finished at 4pm. And on the taxi / train ride home, it takes 5 minutes to stick it all in the 'phone anyway. It might be cool for the kids to say that they're an anachronism but I doubt any of them have stopped carrying them.

    26. Re:Disagree completely by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 1

      Suits come in many colors and styles and yet are easily identified as suits. And ties come in everything from dull and boring to omfg. So there is still room for individuality.

      Yes there are circumstances where suits and ties are an unnecessary formality. A warehouse would be one example or a factory line. But even there, there should be some requirements (uniform in your terms) on what is acceptable and what is not. A lot of places will require wearing a corporate shirt and your choice of long pants as an example.

  5. Eggshell white, raised lettering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Anytime someone mentions business cards I always think of the scene in american psycho.

    "oh my god, it even has a watermark."

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ux3vncNNLg

    1. Re:Eggshell white, raised lettering by azalin · · Score: 1

      Anytime someone mentions business cards I always think of the scene in american psycho.

      "oh my god, it even has a watermark."

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ux3vncNNLg

      Thank you for sharing this wonderful gem.

    2. Re:Eggshell white, raised lettering by reverseengineer · · Score: 1

      I was actually hoping that all the comments for this story were going to be about this.

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    3. Re:Eggshell white, raised lettering by mat+catastrophe · · Score: 1

      Makes you wonder how they'll handle the scene in the reboot.

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  6. Somebody's bitter about business cards today :) by youn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    not knowing who is who is not specific to business cards... if you are not careful about who you add on your social network, you end up with a collection of contacts you have no idea why you have them.

    business cards are relevant if you handle them properly.. if you can not remember who is who, put more info about the person on the business card or when you enter them into whatever software you use for contacts. Software exists to automate scanning business cards too.

    if you are not printing business cards, imho, it is a mistake. not only some people are not computer savvy but it looks good when you have one.

    Saying business cards need to die reminds me of how 20 years ago I read articles about how paper would die by year 2000 because of computer exchanges... a lot of bla bla... but business as usual

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    1. Re:Somebody's bitter about business cards today :) by bmo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Saying business cards need to die reminds me of how 20 years ago I read articles about how paper would die by year 2000 because of computer exchange

      If anything, computers made the creation of paper easy, and the amount of dead tree flung across an office has only exploded since then.

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    2. Re:Somebody's bitter about business cards today :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Paper is not made from trees, you idiot.

    3. Re:Somebody's bitter about business cards today :) by OolimPhon · · Score: 1

      [Citation needed]

    4. Re:Somebody's bitter about business cards today :) by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      [Citation needed]

      Look at your desk. If you can find it.

      Then look at the recycle bin.

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    5. Re:Somebody's bitter about business cards today :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [Citation needed]

      Look at your desk. If you can find it.

      Then look at the recycle bin.

      Recycled paper can't be made perfectly white with a really smooth texture, which means the paper you're using to print your stuff around the office is made from trees. That said, they will later be used to make toilet paper and napkins.

      Furthermore, trees are a renewable resource. You can plant more, so I don't know what people bitch about.

    6. Re:Somebody's bitter about business cards today :) by Iskender · · Score: 1

      If anything, computers made the creation of paper easy, and the amount of dead tree flung across an office has only exploded since then.

      Actually at least here in Finland the use of paper peaked around the year 2000. It has been steadily decreasing since.

      The predictions about paper becoming a niche were correct, only too early. Some people realized you can do things digitally and thought 640x480 screens and floppies would replace it in. Well no. Instead laser printers increased the amount of paper.

      But today we have a vast amount of new technologies which can actually replace paper: high res displays, e-ink, digital identification, digital payment, ubiquitous fast net, flash memory, digital cameras, PDFs that tend to work even on Windows...and consequently paper use is now decreasing.

      Face it, some predictions come with both good contents and bad timing.

  7. People are still happy to get them ... by MacTO · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It may be a social nicety, but people seem to be happy to get my business card and I find that people are more likely to follow up. I suspect that the latter is because they are less likely to lose contact information when it comes in a physical form.

    Of course there will be some naysayers. There always have been. But I suspect that those people never really followed up on initial meeting anyway.

    1. Re:People are still happy to get them ... by penix1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      This all seems silly. If you don't want a business card, then don't take it or be polite and take it then dump it in the nearest circular file. That is far easier then having to weed out unwanted crap from an electronic device. Also, some cultures (Japan I am talking about you) routinely hand out business cards as part of their culture. So if you travel to one of these countries you will wind up with hundreds of really unwanted stuff to delete out of your device.

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  8. Internet also lowered cost of business cards by retroworks · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The reports of the death of business cards may be exaggerated. The cost and production of the cards is lower then ever, via online printers. And the evidence presented here of their death - that a young guy thinks that bankers passing them are "lame" - is not indicative of the success of the non-business-card holder. Another trend hyperbolically expressed as an inevitable outcome on /.

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    1. Re:Internet also lowered cost of business cards by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I bought a box of a thousand personal calling cards from VistaPrint a few years back and that's probably the best ~$7 I ever spent. People are continually impressed that I have cards that aren't "business" cards (I carry both, use the appropriate one for the appropriate occasion). BTW, you have two back pockets - one is for a wallet, the other for a card holder (Staples' store brand has nice onces).

      Perhaps the 23-year-old hipsters haven't encountered situations where they'd be useful. Their loss, not ours.
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    2. Re:Internet also lowered cost of business cards by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      Didn't you know that success is measured by the amount of funding you receive (profitability is irrelevant). So of *course* the thoughts of the successful entrepreneurs such as the one quoted are of utmost importance to the future of business.

  9. in other news...no one gives a shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Boo hoo, you have to carry them. Not everyone has a super awesome phone to "bump" with or really gives a shit that you're tired of carrying cards. I want a quick, easy, simple and FOOLPROOF way to get my info out or receive someone elses. Technology can try. Business cards are where its at.

  10. Less personal and tangable by nurb432 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just using your phone to exchange data makes the entire meeting less tangible and more impersonal.

    Same thing for all these 'on line meetings' where you never even see the persons face who is talking.. all you get is a poor quality voice and some video of their desktop.

    Handing out a physical object to quantify the event like a card, and actual human interaction in business ( and personal life ) by actually meeting the person. should not be discounted so easily.

    or is this the world we want to create, where no one actually interacts anymore and everyone just hides in their cubicle. Just a sad representation of the real world, all vitalized for you in that little box you call a computer.

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  11. Every time I get a business card... by rampant+mac · · Score: 4, Funny

    Every time I get a business card I start quoting the American Psycho business card scene.

    "Wow, nice card buddy, it looks similar to mine. Just without the Cillian Braille font."

    I've actually had a few people catch on to it. :)

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    1. Re:Every time I get a business card... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, that's better than saying "Feed me a stray cat".

  12. Business cards aren't going anywhere by silverhalide · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When you are in a situation where you are meeting lots of folks quickly, nothing beats handing over a business card. It is a minimal conversation disruption. Ever tried to use the bump app in a crowded convention center? Spotty cell service, finding the damn icon, or your battery is dead... It just doesn't work well enough to replace tried and true paper for casual information exchange. The interruption completely derails a casual conversation. In an environment where you only have a few minutes to chat, it's not worth it.

    Now it would be nice if QR embedded codes were standard on business cards to trivialize data entry.

    Nope, business cards are here to stay. Folks that don't do serious business level interactions might be able to lose them, but the pros will use them for a while to come until the exchange becomes easier.

    1. Re:Business cards aren't going anywhere by cdrguru · · Score: 1

      There are a lot of problems with Bump... Probably the biggest one for me is I have yet to talk with someone that actually has it. Then you get into the problems with getting two people to use it together when likely as not only one is really interested - the other party would rather not but if the limit of their involvement in the process is to hand over a card, well OK then.

      The problem I have with QR is the information IS NOT encoded in the code itself. Instead, a QR code is a pointer to some other (commercial) entity that is holding the information hostage, usually for a fee. So yes, you can have your own personal QR code - except you have to pay someone to hold the information for you. How about a 2D bar code that actually has the information in it and is directly readable? This can easily be done, it just isn't because QR is a really great business opportunity for the QR code vendor.

      I would also say that you have no idea what you are getting with a QR code. With a business card and a scanner you know what you are getting and it is all useful information.

    2. Re:Business cards aren't going anywhere by CyberDragon777 · · Score: 2

      The problem I have with QR is the information IS NOT encoded in the code itself. Instead, a QR code is a pointer to some other (commercial) entity that is holding the information hostage, usually for a fee. So yes, you can have your own personal QR code - except you have to pay someone to hold the information for you. How about a 2D bar code that actually has the information in it and is directly readable? This can easily be done, it just isn't because QR is a really great business opportunity for the QR code vendor.

      Umm, what?

      The QR code simply contains data. Text, URL, image, vCard, email address, whatever. Where did you get this " QR code vendor" thing from?

      I would also say that you have no idea what you are getting with a QR code. With a business card and a scanner you know what you are getting and it is all useful information.

      You know exactly what you are getting since the QR code reader software displays it.

      Did you ever actually use a QR code or are you just repeating some bullshit you read on the internet?

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    3. Re:Business cards aren't going anywhere by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      "When you are in a situation where you are meeting lots of folks quickly" In such a situation, you don't need to remember useless people. You are desiring a problem that bcards fix. Let it go man. The past is past, stop dragging it along. Makes your look very stupid.

    4. Re:Business cards aren't going anywhere by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      Makes your look very stupid.

      This.

    5. Re:Business cards aren't going anywhere by icebraining · · Score: 1

      QR Codes actually have the information encoded in them. You're probably thinking of the similar technology called ShotCode (which uses circular barcodes).

    6. Re:Business cards aren't going anywhere by silverhalide · · Score: 1

      Are you high?

  13. I respectfully disagree. by MrCrassic · · Score: 1

    For many people, handing out a business card is much quicker than using something like Bump. They also add a layer of expression and professionalism that is easily lost with other mediums. There are people who charge companies a bunch of money per hour just for customising cards, and for good reason; some companies get hoardes of new business just from their cards alone.

    I'm not giving up my cards anytime soon. Actually, I need to refresh my design soon! (I take pics of all the cards I get and store them in Evernote; no more mountains of cards or clouding up my address book.)

  14. Cocktail napkins work just as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I usually go home from trade shows with about four of them stuffed in my trousers pockets with people's contact info.

    If those aren't handy, you can use the expo program books. Find the page where they present the logos of the "platinum" and "gold" sponsors (i.e., the ones that have the biggest booths) and there's usually plenty of whitespace in between for you to scribble your cell # and email address.

    1. Re:Cocktail napkins work just as well by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      Or instead of writing down names an email addresses al day, people could hand you small pre-created cards with this information already present!. The only problem will be what to call this innovative invention.

  15. Cards are not just for Personal Contact by joelsherrill · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Cards do have issues but it is because you have to remember who gave it to you and why. But that applies to electronic solutions as well. In the 80s, I did some work for Kodak and all of the people I dealt with had cards with a head shot on them. It was very useful for remembering them. I have never seen anyone else who did that. I am from RTEMS and we printed a box of cards with project contact information and a QR-code. I can give them out at shows, to students, etc. and people have a small reminder of how to find out more. More like a tiny cheap brochure for a free software project. Cards have a real place but they have limitations. If you NEVER meet someone cold, then you probably don't need them. But if you do, you need them. And don't forget the personal calling card. Maybe it is her southern manners, but my wife has a personal calling card which is very nice in personal situations. It was very useful when dealing with parents of our kids. They got contact info with no electronics or need for pen and paper involved

    1. Re:Cards are not just for Personal Contact by Orne · · Score: 2

      If they only had some kind of information on the card to tell you who gave it to you, like a name...

    2. Re:Cards are not just for Personal Contact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of us really suck at remembering faces and names. Having both a picture and a name would help a lot.

    3. Re:Cards are not just for Personal Contact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was very useful when dealing with parents of our kids.

      Wouldn't that be you...?

  16. Cell Phones can all send Information by X!0mbarg · · Score: 1

    Most folks have this feature in their phone: to send Contact info to another phone on-demand.
    Presto! a New e-card! Just have your cell phone configured to send out a "Blip Exchange" via bluetooth in a short range burst, and all such info has been exchanged! No more dead-tree business cards to dispose of (or pick you teeth with after a big meal)!

    Maybe the cellphone manufacturers can get together (snerk) and come up with something universal to allow for such 'Business Info Exchanges'?

    1. Re:Cell Phones can all send Information by Xeno+man · · Score: 2

      And that is exactly why business cards will not die. Every phone needs to be compatible, be it blackberry, Iphone or anything else. It needs to be fast fast as pushing a button from your phone being in standby to send a card and as simple as receiving an email where the only action needed is to save or delete. Until you get a group of non tech people to exchange cards with their phones just as fast or faster then it takes for me to hand you a piece of paper, business cards will not go away.

  17. Value in the eye of the beholder by mnmlst · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We live in economic exchange-based societies. While you may not value a business card that is handed to you in one of these exchanges, the other person may greatly value it. Even in Westernized Japan, the exchange of business cards is an important ritual and you would be seen as frivolous and irrelevant if you could not offer one. Personally, I like business cards because I tend to pause and write down some key facts about the person on the back of their card if I found them interesting. Another advantage of paper cards is they can exchanged quickly without as much fumbling as is often involved with electronic devices. Let's be honest, how many times have we spent five minutes doing something with an electronic device that we could have done in less than a minute using other tools at hand? Every tool has some associated overhead and while electronics are generally best for handling information, they have their limitations too.

    The bottom line is that if you are trying to provide yourself with every edge to beat the competition, it would be stupid to stop handing out professional-looking, calling cards. Besides, the vast majority of people who dislike business cards and will shun you for handing them around are probably too young to have much money or power. In another 20 years, you may need to be a lot more careful about handing out paper cards. Obviously, it would be best to just ask someone if they prefer a quick email with a vcard or a paper card or both. Personally, I would like both.

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  18. Don't try the omission in China! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And you'd better take the other guy's card with two hands, and study it respectfully, if you want to seem civilized.

  19. Cue Mark Twain by confuscan · · Score: 1

    I'm imagining a talking business card (Hal Holbrook voice of course) simply stating "The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated."

  20. Business Cards and Calling Cards by DERoss · · Score: 4, Informative

    One important use for business cards is during job interviews. The candidate should always ask the interviewer for his or her card rather than spend time writing down contact information or using a smart phone. (While the interviewer might have to take a phone call that interrupts the interview, it is very counter-productive for the candidate to use a phone then.) After the interview, the candidate can then send a "thank you" to the interviewer, either E-mail or postal mail. No matter how negative the interview might have seemed, the message should be positive (unless you are truly positive you would NEVER work for that person no matter where he or she might be in the future). In this case, the business card also helps to build a history of your job-search activity, which might be important if you are collecting unemployment benefits.

    Very much similar to a business card is a calling card. The difference is that a calling card does not indicate any employment. Yes, the concept is very 19th century but still useful in the 21st century. I use a calling card when shopping if a special order has to be placed. It provides a sales clerk with my contact information so they do not record my name as Roth or Roff instead of Ross; often, the clerk will merely staple my calling card to the order form instead of writing the contact information. As a docent at a public garden, I sometimes give visitors my calling card if they express an interest in contacting me about certain plants or gardening techniques; it has my E-mail address and my Web site's URI (17 Web pages of garden information, not counting my garden diary).

    1. Re:Business Cards and Calling Cards by StormyWeather · · Score: 1

      In the real world nobody uses bump. Sounds great and I used to attempt it but would almost.always end up having to troubleshoot the other persons configuration, bluetooth setting, etc. Easier to just get their card and scan it with cam card and import it to the company contacts account. I send my contact info in text messages to people after i give them my card. This creates a double impression, and avoids my card being lost and with it a sale. Ive had clients call me back after weeks when they dug through their text messages for my contact info.

    2. Re:Business Cards and Calling Cards by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2

      Bump doesn't use Bluetooth on iPhone - 3rd party apps are prevented to use BT. Both phones send their GPS coordinates and the Bump servers match the requests based on time and location. However sometime the matching doesn't happen because the information send by one phone arrives faster than the other, or because the GPS is not accurate enough at that location... And in the middle of a meeting, spending 5+ mn to sync the phones is too much.
      Bluetooth would indeed simplify the process.

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    3. Re:Business Cards and Calling Cards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bump doesn't use Bluetooth on iPhone - 3rd party apps are prevented to use BT.

      Fuck, is this for real? I thought iPhones got sold because they were pretty, worked well and did its job.

      Now I discover they are intentionally crippled to no extents ever known devices.

      Both phones send their GPS coordinates and the Bump servers match the requests based on time and location.

      I could never ever have thought that two devices with near field communications available would have to resort to this crazyness just to exchange less than a hundred bytes worth of data.

    4. Re:Business Cards and Calling Cards by omglolbah · · Score: 2

      Gets better...

      They match it by accelerometer data too :p

      The app 'feels' the actual 'bump'... which means you have to expose your phone to knocking it against someone's phone....
      Or should I say... you have to expose your phone to being knocked on by some bozo you dont know :p

    5. Re:Business Cards and Calling Cards by cdrguru · · Score: 2

      There are lots of Bluetooth networking applications for the iPhone, but you are correct that Bump isn't one of them. I suspect it wouldn't be secure enough - other people could listen in and capture contact information. Their whole web site is about how secure it is.

      I think another problem with Bump using Bluetooth is that while it is available on the iPhone the availability of it on other platforms is questionable. You can have lots of phones that are Internet-capable and run Java applications but do not support applications using Bluetooth and I suspect they would like to be able to use those phones as well.

      Hence, no Bluetooth. Now, if all the people you interact with have iPhones, there might be another answer. But for me that is the whole problem with Bump to begin with - insufficient penetration. I have't had anyone, ever ask about using Bump to exchange information. Sure, I could get it and put it on my phone but until I run into someone (anyone ... just one person) that is (a) interested and (b) a user I have no use for it at all.

    6. Re:Business Cards and Calling Cards by cdrguru · · Score: 2

      The idea behind this is that is the only way they can be sure that the information is exchanged with one and only one other device.

      How else would you do it? Just broadcast the information so at a trade show someone can sit 20 feet away and pick up contacts? Yes, I think it is silly, but I understand the motivation for it and it might be hard to come up with a simplistic easy-for-managers sort of secure exchange technique.

    7. Re:Business Cards and Calling Cards by omglolbah · · Score: 1

      The idea is a novel one, but that doesnt remove the downside :p

    8. Re:Business Cards and Calling Cards by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      In the real life, you get hired, and you don't give a shit about the card, or you don't get hired, and you don't give a shit about the card. Do you sell bcards? Or are you just very very old?

    9. Re:Business Cards and Calling Cards by Leebert · · Score: 1

      The candidate should always ask the interviewer for his or her card rather than spend time writing down contact information or using a smart phone.

      I'm confused; why wouldn't you already have that information?

    10. Re:Business Cards and Calling Cards by DERoss · · Score: 1

      You have contact information about the company. Until the interview, however, you have never met the person who interviews you. If you already knew the interviewer, you would have contacted him or her without going through the formality of applying for the job.

  21. Full contact info by mbone · · Score: 2

    What I find is that, when I get a business card, I generally get full contact info, including a phone number, web site, physical address, etc. When I don't, I get an email address, if I am lucky.

    If it is someone hard to reach (i.e., a business executive), having full contact info is very useful. Because of this, I don't see business cards going away any time soon.

  22. Leap year dupe by Mike+Mentalist · · Score: 4, Informative

    I knew this story sounded familiar. Turns out Slashdot did the same story on March 17th last year!

    http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/03/17/2019237/is-the-business-card-dead

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    1. Re:Leap year dupe by j-beda · · Score: 1

      It's deja-vu all over again.

    2. Re:Leap year dupe by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      Well, they didn't do anything special for Groundhog's Day.

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  23. The nice things about standards... by gmuslera · · Score: 1

    ... is that there are so many of them. Is not just that "there are an app for them", that app, or standard, or whatever, should be everywhere to really remove the need of bussiness cards, in every phone, even dumb ones. Everyone can pick a paper, and while not everyone have that app (or an alternative one that just send your an URL, like for your linkedin profile) they business cards could remain.

    1. Re:The nice things about standards... by omglolbah · · Score: 1
  24. Remembering who is who by Kjella · · Score: 1

    Remembering who is who doesn't get any easier with email or QR or vCards or whatever you choose, so why bring that up at all? If you're running a eCommerce operation I can understand but for most of us dealing in the real world they're not going away anytime soon. For example when we give a presentation or attend some event with a bunch of students, we don't have their email. Any amount of techno-gadgetry won't replace a simple "We'd be very interested in talking to you about employment opportunities, here's my contact info". Same if we meet at a real world breakfast meeting / seminar / conference / training class or indeed anything else that doesn't happen online.

    Even if I can just scan the code on the back with my smartphone and hand it back to you, it takes the whole complication out of the exchange. If they can easily convert it to electronic info, great and they can throw away the card. If they can't, well they have it on the card. To use the word "lugging" about a few grams of paper shows this is full of hyperbole and pointless eGadgetry. It's just creating a lot of possible technological issues and suddenly you're standing there fumbling with smart phones instead of doing what you should be doing, which is talking to people. That time is usually so precious that the expense and inconvenience of a card that you can just hand over is trivial by comparison.

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  25. The best thing about business cards by OzPeter · · Score: 1

    The person giving you the card can write contextual information on them that is relevant and has nothing to do with their contact information. Sure you could exchange vcards, but then it is up to you to make that addendum.

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  26. Suits like old technology by Gonoff · · Score: 1

    When dealing with business people on your side of the Atlantic, I have had to look up things on occasion.

    I remember when I started to deal with a US software company, they sent me a card to put in my "Rolodex". I had to look it up. My dad remembered seeing them but I had certainly never seen one. Now that I know what they look like, I have spotted them in films and on the TV.

    A confusing thing I sometimes see a word in the phone number like 1-800-BEST-BUY. This does not work on a blackberry and is very fiddly on normal phones. I think it was probably easier on old fashioned rotary dial ones. How long ago were they?

    I have had organisations here say that they don't do email because it insecure. That is possible. Then they get me to fax them. Their faxes are in shared areas and anyone can see what arrives. The list goes on.

    Business cards are just another example of this. Anything modern is scary to some highly paid people and they don't want it and have the power to keep it away. Once, business cards must have been "new fangled". They adopted the fax. Why are they so luddite now?

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    1. Re:Suits like old technology by DogDude · · Score: 2

      The best solution to every problem is not necessarily high-tech.

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    2. Re:Suits like old technology by Xeno+man · · Score: 1

      Technology usually causes more problems than it fixes, usually because someone is trying to use the newest tech for something that doesn't need it.

    3. Re:Suits like old technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The point of the words is to make it easy to remember -- I suspect this started with radio advertising. I expect it was always slightly harder to enter, if only because the letters are usually smaller typeface than the numbers, but the ease of remembering made it worthwhile. Now that everyone is dialing from a contact entry in their phone, not from memory, it's kinda silly.

      Anyway, I got a Google voice number of the form 1-xxx-xMYNAME (had to go to some weird area code in another state to get a match, but no big deal 'cause everyone uses mobile phones with the same cost to all area codes, right?) -- turns out a lot more people than I expected had trouble with entering letters on their phone, and I had to convert it to numbers in my head. Of course now I remember the numbers, and just give it as "1-xxx-xMYNAME, or 1-xxx-xxx-xxxx", and let them figure which to type.

    4. Re:Suits like old technology by mnmlst · · Score: 1

      Actually, you can type out things like 1-800-BEST-BUY on a Blackberry. Just hold down the ALT key as you type each letter. The device will translate to the appropriate number for the phone call such as a 2 for B.

      http://www.berryreview.com/2008/02/20/faq-how-to-dial-phone-numbers-with-letters/

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    5. Re:Suits like old technology by omglolbah · · Score: 1

      They still are...

      I am not allowed to use the "scan to pdf and email" function to send signed paperwork to the central office.

      I have to FAX the signed papers.... FAX.....

      The FAX uses the same multi-function office beast... but due to constraints of faxes it gets scaled down to a smudge, then sent to the central office... where it is delivered as a PDF file... (in arse quality) to the intended recipient...

      Meh..

    6. Re:Suits like old technology by Gonoff · · Score: 1

      One of our (non IT) managers will only fax orders. He prints off the electronic order then faxes it. Several times we have had calls from suppliers who realise they have an order from us but cannot read it. We can email the order to them during the conversation and things start moving again.

      We know we are not alone because sometimes they do not call us. They do not know which bunch of technological illiterates has sent it, If it seems that an order has taken too long to acknowledge, we call them and again spend 15 seconds doing what the manager probably spent 5 minutes doing. Our 15 seconds is instantly usable and securely sent. Faxes are neither.

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    7. Re:Suits like old technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you dill-weeds considered that email is readable by the admin of every server it passes through, while the fax which travels over phone lines is only accessible to AT&T, very dedicated and targeted crackers and the NSA?

    8. Re:Suits like old technology by Gonoff · · Score: 1

      No we have not forgotten that email can be encrypted when needed. Neither have we forgotten that it takes less money to hack into a phone line than into an, even mildly, encrypted network conversation.

      We haven't forgotten that faxes are often in area away from work desks while computers are the main item on the desk.

      Is there anything else we haven't forgotten?

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  27. One thing about business cards... by Guppy06 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is extremely difficult to infect a computer with malicious code via a paper business card.

    1. Re:One thing about business cards... by 6031769 · · Score: 4, Informative
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    2. Re:One thing about business cards... by Tommy+Bologna · · Score: 1

      In an elevator fight, it's harder to cut your opponent's throat with an email or vcard. Business card for the win!

    3. Re:One thing about business cards... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But, but, but... Snow Crash!

  28. It just depends on whether you have a use case by Geeky · · Score: 1

    I find cards useful for my hobby. I take photos, mostly of models. Sometimes when I'm out I'll be chatting to someone and the subject will come up. If she shows an interest in posing for me, I give her my card - no pressure on her then to reciprocate or hand out her number, so she can go away and think about it. The card has my email address and website details, and is blank on the back; if I choose to, I can scribble my number on there as well. It works for me.

    So basically the bottom line for me is I have a good reason to carry cards.

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  29. This is Stupid by MacGyver2210 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Of course Business Cards are still useful.

    young and Web-savvy people who are accustomed to connecting digitally, see business cards as irrelevant, wasteful — and just plain lame.

    So business cards are obsolete now because...Anonymous doesn't like them? What? Just because this guy thinks he is too cool for business cards doesn't mean they are 'dead' or 'a casualty'.

    1. They provide a simple, physical way for people to be reminded of you or find your contact information. Without waiting for your phone or tablet to load, without waiting for a PC to boot. It's a tiny square of paper with all of the information you need. It doesn't take much space, and you can fit hundreds of them in the corner of a desk drawer. No need for a shoebox.

    2. They are simple to handle and easier to glean information from than a phone app or barcode. I don't know about you, but I can't read QR codes by sight. It's a lot easier to say "What was that guy's name from the conference?" and pull a card from the stack of lit you got than it is to pull up a vCard app on your phone and hope it has a 'most recent additions' feature so it's easier to find the guy you just entered last night.

    3. They provide an artistic first-impression and give someone looking at your information an idea of your style and something to remember you by - something to get stuck in their head and make them remember you even without the card. A really good business card is not even close to a little rectangle of paper. Sometimes they will be lithographed and transparent, die-cut, foil-printed, some even fold into a pop-up scene.

    4. They are of HUGE cultural significance in far-Eastern countries, such as Japan. There they have a whole 'ritual' when people present business cards to each other. There is a specific way they stand, greet the other, bow, speak, and trade cards. It is a very formal and respectful way of exchanging contact information, which is still prevalent in one of the most technologically-advanced societies in the world.

    In summary, even if the submitter is some lolcat who has no use for business cards, it's not safe to count them out just yet. Saying they're 'dead' or 'obsolete' is just ignorant of the way the rest of the world outside your internet bubble works.

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    1. Re:This is Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also useful when you leave your job as you can take (or smuggle) your business card collection than email contact info.

    2. Re:This is Stupid by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      Actually you touch on the problem with this article. There have been a group of people who came to the conclusion that the "young and savvy" would decide the future and that everything old that they wanted to do away with was just old and useless. I do not know how far back it goes, but that belief gained strong ground in the late 60s. The problem is that the "young and savvy" do not understand as much about the world and why it works the way it does as they think they do. The result of that is that they often learn as they get older that some of the things they thought were useless, outdated cruft are actually essential to the functioning of the world and rather than the world getting better when you get rid of those things, it actually gets worse.

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    3. Re:This is Stupid by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      You are old.

  30. Gen Z...A...B? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm just wondering when I'm going to suddenly become part of Generation Z. I am firmly in the Generation X category, by age and interests, until they made Generation Y and changed the ages for Gen X to just barely include me. Now this guy, who is 36, is somehow in Gen Y? Stop screwing with stuff after you've made a definition.

  31. Not dying if you say "They need to die somehow" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Generally, if something "needs to die somehow", it means that:
    1) The speaker wants it to die even though it ISN'T, otherwise they'd say "it's dying" or "it needs to die faster"
    2) The speaker has no goddamn clue on what a replacement would be, otherwise "somehow" would be replaced with "so we can use X" or "because X is better", and require at least a perfunctory defense of X.

    So, the speaker doesn't want business cards, he just wants something that's exactly like business cards but better.

    You could apply that same reasoning to anything that has downsides. Like how healthy food and fast food are mutually exclusive. That division needs to "die somehow" so we can start having food that's tasty, cheap, convenient, and won't kill you if you eat it twice a day.

    GIVE ME UTOPIA ON A SILVER PLATTER, DAMMIT!

  32. I herd u liek businesscards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A decent laser printer, a bit of card stock, instant cards. Most are fugly, even "professionally done" cards, but with a basic understanding of typography and a smidge feeling for design, you can produce quite acceptable ones. For the obligatory tech angle, well. Actually. 2d bar codes are just painful. dataglyphs would be nice but they're still proprietary, so much more's the pity.

    In fact, I've contemplated scaring up a batch of those old "calling cards". Add great coat, top hat, cane, fine gloves. Instant style.

    Who doesn't want to hack code while traveling in a horse-drawn hackney?

  33. You can write on them by houghi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    it's hard to remember who is who

    The nice thing is that most of the time you will be able to write on them. That means writing small notes about things you just discussed.
    That is why I hate designer business cards who try to be clever. I like the boring white ones.
    You meet somebody at a reception, at a conference or some other casual event. You start to talk and exchange cards. The talk might be 10 minutes and the moment you part, you take the card back and write on it whatever you think is important.

    When you get home, you look at the 30-40 or more cards and see what you wrote on them. That will make it easy which ones you really must talk to, who you must avoid and if you wrote it down the things YOU said to them. Pretty important when you were talking prices for e.g. a new client or ideas you had.
    e.g. "Wants a pr0n website with live models. Told him I knew htlm."

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  34. I was curious.... by DogDude · · Score: 2

    I was curious about the only person directly quoted in this article saying that business cards are passe. I checked out BeachMint Inc.and I laughed. This reporter should have considered talking to some people running successful companies, at the very least.

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  35. Cool Business Cards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Business Cards are a great way to make a first impression and for making new contacts. If you don't have a business card then it's possible that your line of work does not have a huge demand for one (i.e. Airline Pilot). I would love to get a metal business card from Steve Wozniak:

    Woz's Business Card

    1. Re:Cool Business Cards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But pilots don't just sit in a cockpit pressing buttons and wiggling sticks. They file flight plans, organise refuelling, maintenance, billing, check met, need reliable out of hours taxi, book courses, apply for visas, work permits - all sorts of stuff that involve dealing with clients, contractors, authorities - and the well-connected pilot does this much better than the hot-shot aviator.

      They are also international travellers and who arrive at destination with flat batteries, incompatible technologies and roaming agreements.

      Give me a plain white business card every time, and unless you have reverse in local character sets, leave the back blank. I wan't to keep it in a bundle with other peoples, so regular size please. Unless you are sure I will like it don't express your creativity, chances are 10-1 that I will just think you are a dick.

      Even if you are a dick, please make it out of cardboard. I don't want it setting off metal detectors and i don't want it confiscated.

      Once I have reviewed it and added it to my contacts, I can use it as a roach.

  36. Another imposing article... by Xacid · · Score: 1

    Another article where someone claims their personal view must surely be the view of the remainder of the world.

    Personally I like them for the random contacts you make. Not the prearranged things the article talks about. I run into folks in my industry via flights, friends of friends, and other fairly happenstance meetings. Hell, I used to give out my professional card for personal contacts (with the preface of course - "I'm not trying to be an arrogant douche and flaunt a status, it's just much easier to give you my number this way") - though I've since created a non-business card for handing out to people without having to worry about the negative inferences from the former.

    And yes - as another poster(s) has stated: QR codes and the like are a great feature to have on them these days. Worst case you carry one and you can exchange info by just scanning each other's cards.

  37. proof that young people are stupid by axlr8or · · Score: 2

    Make the best of the situation. Start trading them like Pokemon or Yugi O! Only this time, the monsters are REAL!!!

  38. What does the customer/client expect? by edibobb · · Score: 1

    If you have regular contacts with clients and they expect a business card, it's usually a good idea to have one for them. Business cards are going away, but it's still a good idea to cater to the customer. Like fax machines, business cards eventually won't be necessary.

  39. irrelevant, wasteful — and j by future+assassin · · Score: 0

    Yah that's how I see social media and other hipster forced ways to communicate. If you are 15 maybe its uncool but if you are of a relevant age business cards are still a must and will be for a long time. Not everyone wants to lug around a fucking slim brick computer as a phone.

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  40. A Use for Business Cards by ratboy666 · · Score: 2

    Surprised it hasn't been mentioned, but...

    When I am in client meeting, I like to get business cards from each of the participants at the table. These people are strangers to me. I place the cards on the table in front of me, next to my notepad. I order them by the placement around the table, giving me instant access to names and titles. I then transfer the information to my pad, along with notes (when I am not speaking, of course).

    After the meeting completes, I then transfer information back to the cards.

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  41. Oh, look, it's this story again... by epp_b · · Score: 1

    "Thing X" the Latest Internet Casualty

    Hogwash.

    This same old story (or something like it) gets rehashed on Slashdot every once a while. In fact, I remember a discussion on exactly the problem with thinking that business cards are no longer necessary.

    A business card only requires you to reach into your pocket and hand it over without disturbing the flow of a conversation or even breaking eye contact. Some "app" requires you to grab your phone, look down, switch it on, find the icon, open it, then finally receive the contact info and ... er, what were we talking about again? There's just way too much dicking around. Sure, it's nifty and all, but that's about all it is.

    Just because some rich hipster thinks that business cards are so passe doesn't mean they're going the way of the dodo.

  42. old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow cards have been gone for about 5 years now! only time I've used them since was in japan because they have a whole ritual about it.

  43. absurd by Eravnrekaree · · Score: 2

    This is one of the most ridiculous things i've ever heard. Not everyone has internet or smartphones and I think it will always be that way. I give business cards as a personal contact as well for business use. Many of the people i give cards to do not have smart phone or even internet so they need my phone number. People who do have email I would have to give my email address anyway and its easier to jsut give them a card with the address they can punch in later rather than trying to speak it out loud. In many ways, demanding another party you are speaking with to use some odd online app may also be rude and inconsiderate, intead of just giving them a business card. There is a simplicity with business cards as well, where an online sort thing thing tends to actually bring in more complexity and frustration. I would often end up writing down my web address anyway on a piece of paper, which is what I have on my business cards anyway. Business cards are simple and "just work" while some electronic alternative is often very complex and prone to numerous technical glitches.

    1. Re:absurd by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      Wow, how old are you? Anyone who matters does. Anyone who doesnt is working at mcdonalds for the rest of their life. Man up or GTFO.

  44. E-Ink by PPH · · Score: 1

    I'm looking for a simple E-Ink display and controller that will fit into a wallet or similar sized container. I already have QR codes that point to my web site which include customized identity strings on printed stationary. I can modify the ID in the QRC URL to redirect the particular target audience to a customized version of my web site. Or just track who visited and when. With the wallet sized display, I can whip it out in a meeting, have other attendees scan it and achieve the same level of customization on the fly.

    I hereby place this idea into the public domain (if its not patented already). USPTO, go suck an egg.

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    1. Re:E-Ink by DogDude · · Score: 1

      If somebody whips out an electronic gadget and asks me to scan it in order to get their contact information, I'm going to laugh and walk away.

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    2. Re:E-Ink by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if somebody hands some other /.ers (you've read their posts) a dead-tree card, they'll laugh and walk away.

      Fortunately, you're both ridiculously small minorities, and I bet PPH and most others having occasion to distribute contact info can afford to alienate either or both groups.

  45. Mah by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 1

    My mind, unless you are in sales business cards are just a penis-extension along with a corporate supplied phone, etc. Maybe I've just been working at cheap employers but they all seem to limit cellphones to managers because "they need them" even when it is the drones that are the ones getting paged (yes paged) back to work. Why can't we have an oncall cellphone instead of a oncall pager "because it is cheaper". Ah but the manager having a cellphone that he never gets called on that isn't expensive :-)

    1. Re:Mah by DogDude · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry you hate your job. Why do you think this is the place to rant about it?

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    2. Re:Mah by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 1

      No what I'm saying is that several employers I've worked for that way. Business cards are no longer being used as a means of communication they are used as a status symbol now: if you aren't sales and you have a business card (at least at the companies I've worked) someone has deemed you "important". You still will likely end up exchanging emails or vcards or whatever but the card shows "hey look this guy rates personal stationary".

    3. Re:Mah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right about the status thing. I meet enough people to merit some cards, but I guess head of software development doesn't sound important enough to the suits. So instead I use it as an opportunity to embarrass my employer, because I always make a point of apologising for not being able to reciprocate with my own business card :)

    4. Re:Mah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry you feel unimportant...However, perhaps a nice personalized business card would make a world of difference!!
      In my opinion, business cards are not only a reflection of one's company & professionalism, but also invaluable tools for follow-up....especially if attached to your luggage!

  46. How to replace them? by hackertourist · · Score: 1

    Palm had a good idea: you could send an address book entry to another Palm device using its IR interface. Dead simple, too.

    Unfortunately it was Palm-only, making it useless in most circumstances. I'm not aware of a replacement in today's phones. You could email someone a vCard, but that requires knowing their phone number. Is Bluetooth ubiquitous enough to be usable for this?

  47. I use pens instead by John_Sauter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As a long-time geek, I carry lots of pens in my shirt pocket. I decided to turn them into business cards.

    I had a bunch of nice-looking personalized pens made, with my e-mail address inscribed on them. If someone asks me for my e-mail address, I hand them a pen. I then have to explain that the pen is not to write down my e-mail address, but it has my e-mail address alreay on it, and they can keep the pen. I have handed out more than 100 pens in the last couple of years. People tend to keep them longer than paper business cards because they have utility: you can write with them.

    My e-mail address includes my name, and if you search the Web for my e-mail address you get my web site (hosted by the workstation under my desk at home) and my résumé, which includes a picture of me, my telephone number, and my mailing address. That's better than a business card.

    1. Re:I use pens instead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice idea, but you'd better hope it doesn't catch on, or you'll be one of those "pen guys" - just imagine leaving a conference with two dozens pens in your pockets...

  48. suits and ties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    while I agree that no tie is comfortable, if you find suits uncomfortable then you aren't wearing a well made and properly tailored suit. a good suit can feel like wearing your comfiest flannel pajamas.

    disclaimer: I speak only of men's suits; no woman's suit will ever be that comfortable.

    1. Re:suits and ties by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "if you find suits uncomfortable then you aren't wearing a well made and properly tailored suit."

      Right, and still you say,

      "I agree that no tie is comfortable"

      I should say exactly the same you said about suits: try a well made and properly tailored shirt and you won't find the tie uncomfortable. It is not the tie that you feel uncomfortable, it is the shirt's neck which is the problem: too tight and you suffocate; too wide or too bland and there's no way you can properly fit the tie's knot.

  49. Should Be OK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, let's get rid of business cards. Should be ok cuz I haven't gotten nearly as many "My phone blew up and I lost everything, please re-rend all your info" lately.

    1. Re:Should Be OK by Skapare · · Score: 1

      "My dog ate my shoebox of business cards"

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  50. Something to sell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It seems all these tech visionaries only start beating he drum about the demise of some existing tech or practice AFTER they have something to sell to replace it. So I'd look for what this person may be trying to sell.

  51. Out of touch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have to wonder if the writer of this article has ever been in a business situation. Business cards, in tech circles and other professions, are still very much in use. They're small, simple, inexpensive and they don't disappear if you lose your phone. Handing out a business card is a lot more effective and less cumbersome than trying to sync phones or manually enter contact info during an interaction.

    The article reminds me of the "paperless office" articles of the 70s and 80s or the "e-mail is dead" articles of the 90s, or land-lines are dead articles in the wake of smart phones. Paper, e-mail and, for most of the people I know, land-lines are still the norm.

  52. One QR Code on front, another on back by perpenso · · Score: 1

    QR Code containing VCard on the back. Tada, became relevant and useful again.

    I prefer to have the QR code on the *front*. Ditch some of the fluffy artwork and put the QR code with vcard info on the front with the traditional text contact info. The resolution of somewhat recent cell phone cameras can handle a 1x1 inch vcard QR code. The 3MP camera in an old iPhone 3GS works just fine with this size. The iPhone 4 has a 5MP and the 4S an 8MP camera. I expect comparable cameras on older and more recent Android devices.

    Use the back for other QR codes, for example links to product info or online store purchase pages. I find that a 3/4x3/4 inch QR code can offer a link to the iTunes store that is readable on the old iPhone 3GS. I do so on promotional versions of my business card where I know I will be focusing on a particular product.

    Given the wide capabilities of QR codes I'm sure various individuals will find good uses for distinct QR codes on both sides of a card.

    Also, the premise of the summary is mistaken. Business cards are not obsolete, they are just used differently. A stack in a shoe box is a waste. However a common modern practice by some is to accept the paper card, scan the QR code at that moment with a phone, and to hand back the paper card while saying thank you. I find doing so is sometimes faster than getting bump to work. Plus you have the extra capability of secondary QR codes.

  53. IBM had one in 1996-this'l blow your mind.... by way2trivial · · Score: 4, Interesting

    http://www.almaden.ibm.com/cs/user/pan/pan.html

    "Scientists at IBM's Almaden Research Center (San Jose, CA) are perfecting a new Personal Area Network technology that uses the natural electrical conductivity of the human body to transmit electronic data.

    Using a small prototype transmitter (roughly the size of a deck of cards) embedded with a microchip, and a slightly larger receiving device, the researchers can transmit a pre-programmed electronic business card between two people via a simple handshake. Whats more, the prototype allows data to be transmitted from sender to receiver through up to four touching bodies."

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  54. Letters work on modern phones by perpenso · · Score: 1

    A confusing thing I sometimes see a word in the phone number like 1-800-BEST-BUY. This does not work on a blackberry and is very fiddly on normal phones. I think it was probably easier on old fashioned rotary dial ones. How long ago were they?

    Actually the letters work just fine on an iPhone, and I imagine any touch screen based Android phone as well, modern home phones, etc. All these phones have both numbers and letters on the buttons. Its hardly something rotary specific, as a matter of fact it became more popular after buttons replaced rotary.

    I think you are focusing on a niche type of phone, those with little chiclet keyboard buttons for dialing. If anything is on its way to obsolescence like rotary phones it is such chiclet keyboards. Touchscreens with big readable buttons are the future.

  55. General Magic by flatulus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    While at Apple in the early 90's, I suggested this concept to the person in charge of developing what became the General Magic handheld product. My concept was exactly what Bump is today. General Magic mutated it a bit, calling it "Kiss and Tell".

    If I had a nickel for every conceived invention....

    1. Re:General Magic by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      Should have patented it yourself first. You'd be a rich man.

      The system's fucked, but if it's not going to change anytime soon there's no reason not to profit from it.

  56. Clueless article by sjbe · · Score: 1

    "Chalk up another looming casualty of the Internet age: business cards. Ubiquitous as pinstripes, the 2-by-3.5-inch pieces of card stock have long been a staple in executive briefcases.

    This hasn't changed and isn't going to change anytime soon. (and pinstripes haven't been ubiquitous for a loooongggg time)

    But now, writes Matt Stevens, young and Web-savvy people who are accustomed to connecting digitally, see business cards as irrelevant, wasteful — and just plain lame.

    Only if you interact with a rather narrow group of people. Being "young and web-savvy" doesn't equal greater intellect or better ideas. In most of the world business cards remain ubiquitous and aren't going away any time soon.

    'When I go into a meeting and there are five bankers across the table, they all hand me business cards and they all end up in a pile, in a shoe box somewhere,' says Diego Berdakin, the founder of BeachMint, a fast-growing e-commerce site that has raised $75 million from investors without ever bothering to print a card.

    The ability to raise money has little to do with handing out business cards.

    Some 77 million smartphone users have downloaded the Bump app, which allows them to bump their phones together and instantly exchange contact information.

    And yet oddly I've never run into a single one of them. I've never even had anyone ask if I had that app. Even if I did, I don't really want my smartphone address book getting cluttered up with a bunch of random people's contact info. I do take pictures of business cards I want to keep but don't want to carry and use Evernote or Dropbox to hold them. Then I can write notes later if needed.

    1. Re:Clueless article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me too, but I don't think the author knows that not doesn't everyone have smart-phones, but MOST people don't, even in countries where cell phones are at a very high penetration. Japan does have a standard IR system implemented on all domestic phones which works great and is easy to use, but even then - Business Cards are social protocol more than anything else. If you want to be successful, you have to respect the protocols others follow.

  57. Didn't work in practice by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Palm had a good idea: you could send an address book entry to another Palm device using its IR interface. Dead simple, too.

    Except that you then clutter up your address book with a bunch of addresses of people who you don't/barely know and won't contact again. And it wasn't really dead simple and it wasn't especially quick either.

    Is Bluetooth ubiquitous enough to be usable for this?

    Not remotely. (no pun intended)

    1. Re:Didn't work in practice by hackertourist · · Score: 1

      Except that you then clutter up your address book with a bunch of addresses of people who you don't/barely know and won't contact again.

      Then what's the point of them giving you a business card? I'd much rather have that info somewhere useful i.e. in my phone and computer, where I can then call/email them by looking up a contact rather than having to enter the info from the business card manually. I can always throw it away. Digital clutter is easier to get rid of than paper.

  58. The lack of a suit indicates real success. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I suspect that the GP is actually quite successful. After all, if you're successful, then it means that you're financially independent, you don't need a job, and don't really have to give a damn what others think. That means you can completely avoid wearing a suit.

    In fact, those who wear suits are likely the least successful of them all. They're wearing those suits while working a job that makes somebody else money. After all, if they were successful, they wouldn't have to work those jobs in the first place, and wouldn't be wearing suits, since no sensible person wears a suit voluntarily.

  59. Bookmarks... by osu-neko · · Score: 1

    Business cards always seem to end up being used as bookmarks by me. To mark where I was at... in a book... printed on paper... oh dear...

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    "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."
  60. Don't get rid of your cards if you work in Asia by CyradisNYC · · Score: 1

    If you do any business in Asia at all, especially in Japan, it will be extraordinarily awkward for you if you get rid of your business cards. You will come across as someone who doesn't know their business culture, or--depending on how well known your company is there, and how often you work in Japan--as someone who just doens't care that you're being rude. The exchange of business cards is a ritual, in which you carefully present your business card to your new colleague, and an exchange takes place. This is a key part of introducing yourself. The first time I went to Japan, I didn't bring enough. It was absolutely mortifying to run out halfway through the trip, because you exchange business cards with absolutely everyone you meet. I went as my organization's representative, as we were participating in an international exhibition. I had to exchange cards with my translator, my escort, the representative from the newspaper sponsor, the multiple representatives from the airline our cargo was transported on, the customs brokers we worked with--and that's before I even met the people who work in my field! I went through 40 business cards in two days. When I got back, I mailed cards to those people who hadn't gotten one. I've found that this level of exchange also holds true when working with China, Cambodia, and Thailand. As for the idea that they're useless--I disagree. When I get back from one of these trips, I take a photo of the business card and upload it to Evernote, along with a note of on which trip and project that person was part of. Eventually Evernote gets around to OCR'ing the text in the card. I now have a record of everyone I've met through work which is mine. Not my employer's, mine, that I can take with me if I leave to go somewhere else.

  61. Remembering who is who? by Chuckstar · · Score: 1

    How is it easier to remember who is who when you get their information via Bump or QR code?

  62. not everyone is in IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd much rather get a piece of paper from my plumber, luddite aunt, or DMV worker than trust them that their info on their smartphone is accurate and *safe*.

    I know that the Bump app is ubiquitous, but what if the plumber is using some E-Card Widget made in China and just tell me to install that app on my phone just so i can have his "business card"?

    No thanks.

  63. That's why by bytesex · · Score: 1

    business cards have to have blank backs. So you can write on them how you met the giver, and what you want to do with them in the future. That's also why graphic designers that come up fancy new ideas of why your business card should have something else besides a blank back ('because it's boring'), should be run out of town. On a rails.

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    Religion is what happens when nature strikes and groupthink goes wrong.
  64. Some industries are mobile phone free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I work in an industry where we're not allowed to bring mobile phones into the building. Our conferences, meetings, seminars etc. are also mobile phone free. There's tens of thousands of us.

    So, cards will be around for a while.

  65. Meanwhile... back in reality... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Meanwhile back in reality, while you want to dump those business cards into shoe boxes, good luck trying that to a real client who wants to invest millions into a building and millions into machines. Yeah, I'm sure you'd be out there looking for a printing company to print you out some business cards as fast as possible because the vast majority of businesses still use business cards and they'll quick to forget about you when you don't give them anything.

  66. Is Bump secure? by MrEricSir · · Score: 1

    Seems to me there's a risk in using Bump -- what exactly are you sharing, and with who?

    The iPhone offers a p2p bluetooth network, but as far as I'm aware Bump doesn't use that. Instead it's based on a centralized server which handles all the data. Even if it's encrypted in some way, do you really trust these types of services to be the middle man in your data exchange?

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    There's no -1 for "I don't get it."
  67. paper still works best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bump sucks especially if someone has to install it, and QR codes can be a privacy trap. Paper with an email address and phone number is still the best.

  68. Blank space by a-zA-Z0-9$_.+!*'(),x · · Score: 1

    The blank space on the card, esp the back, is there for you to write why/how this person is important to you. Bring a pen/pencil.

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    Epitaph: At last! Root access!
  69. this is an article? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the author had a random opinion and briefly interviewed 2 kids who were too cool for school who agreed with his opinion

    srly? ppl get paid to publicly masturbate like this?

  70. Insightful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most insightful post in the entire discussion. The whole suit thing is about impressing others. Those who are truly powerful have no need to impress others. To those who think a suit is so necessary: what would happen if a billionaire decided he was never going to wear a suit again? Who would stop him? Would he lose power or influence? Of course not. The same choice is available to each and every one of us, whether we realize it or not.

    It all comes down to personality type. Maybe some people actually love suits and don't mind wearing one. Others may not like them but wear them anyways because it's "what you do." I myself have always been the type of person who simply refused to go with any social norm just because it's a social norm. I do what I like. I'm a blue jeans and tshirt kind of person. I don't prefer khakis because I like being able to get down on the floor and work on something without a second thought, then just dust myself off afterwards. Suits are fun to wear from time to time, but I don't like the special care and I'd never spend more than $500 on one. I would never wear one just because someone said I had to. In fact that would make it more likely I'd dress down on purpose, just to prove a point.

    This is why some people in the suit crowd hate people like me--because we blatantly and openly refuse to buy into their oh-so-very-important social norm they have created and uphold. By doing so we are a challenge to its very legitimacy, and are thus a threat to their collective egos.

    I love looking like an average poor dude with no power or influence. The bottom line is, my money is just as green as anyone's. I love it when I can catch people in the act of making shallow judgments based on appearances. Makes it much easier to see who's an idiot, who's self absorbed, who's a schemer, etc. Makes it all the more satisfying when I suddenly lay my cards down, clear everyone out, then walk away with a smug grin. There's nothing like the confidence and satisfaction of knowing you have the upper hand in everything, knowing you can blow people's minds at any time but most of the time choosing not to, because why give up your advantage? When you're going around constantly advertising your status and worth, you are not only showing yourself as a target, but changing people's reactions to you. This prevents you from seeing people as they truly are.

    As far as social trends go, here's the strange thing: when you make a billion dollars in a pair of blue jeans.......suddenly others start wearing them too.

    Funny how that works.

  71. Stolen from William Gibson's "Virtual light" by dontclapthrowmoney · · Score: 1

    Business cards won't disappear until offices really are paperless. Non-technical people just aren't going to adapt the way people who are into tech would want them to, and sometimes people have different paradigms they work from other than "technical solutions are best".

    Wellington Ma's business card was a rectangular slice of pink synthetic quartz, laser-engraved with his name, 'The Ma-Mariano Agency,' an address on Beverly Boulevard, and all kinds of numbers and e-mail addresses. It arrived by GlobEx in its own little gray suede envelope while Rydell was still in the hospital.

    'Looks like you could cut yourself on it,' Rydell said.

    'You could, many no doubt have,' said Karen Mendelsohn, 'and if you put it in your wallet and sit down, it shatters.'

    'Then what's the point of it?'

    'You're supposed to take very good care of it. You won't get another.'

    (copied from http://newark.pardey.org/book/virtual.html)