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Sprint CEO Defends Company's Decision To Bet It All On the iPhone

zacharye writes "Sprint chief executive Dan Hesse is being watched closely by the company's board of directors, but the CEO has to answer to investors and subscribers as well. Last year in October, Hesse revealed that the company is placing a massive $15.5 billion bet on Apple's iPhone, and in a recent interview, Hesse defended the move, which has been criticized by a number of industry watchers. From the article: '“Subsidies are heavy for the iPhone. This is the reason why a high percentage of new customers is important,” Hesse said during the interview. “But iPhone customers have a lower level of churn and they actually use less data on average than a high-end 4G Android device. So from a cost point of view and a customer lifetime value perspective, they’re more profitable than the average smartphone customer.”'"

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  1. Apple Customers by ifiwereasculptor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They pay more and use less? What a shocker! Who would have thought?

    1. Re:Apple Customers by jmd_akbar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They pay more and use less? What a shocker! Who would have thought?

      Steve Jobs.

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    2. Re:Apple Customers by ArhcAngel · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well it might have been true before the 4S but not so much NOW

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    3. Re:Apple Customers by larry+bagina · · Score: 5, Informative

      Maybe they use less data because iPhone apps aren't constantly uploading their gps coordinates and downloading ads. If you look at mobile web traffic, iOS beats android. Even when you factor out the iPad.

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    4. Re:Apple Customers by cpu6502 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It is a bit surprising. (But so too was the stat that the number of iPhone users (UK) in debt are about double that of Android users.) Maybe these persons don't buy the phone for actual use, but for the same reason I spent money on a watch that I didn't need -- it looks good on my wrist.

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    5. Re:Apple Customers by Anthony+Mouse · · Score: 5, Interesting

      They pay more and use less? What a shocker! Who would have thought?

      It's not even that. What he's saying is that 4G Android users use more data than iPhone (i.e. 3G) users do (shocking!) since iPhone is currently still 3G/"3.5"G, and the Android users are more likely to demand the newest gadgets (i.e. "higher churn"). Which is naturally worse for the phone company who wants you to buy whatever phone, keep it forever, and never use the speed you're paying for while still continuing to pay for it.

      The problem is that newer, 4G iPhones are likely to attract exactly the same crowd. So unless Sprint's new business model is to keep selling obsolete iPhones forever, they had probably better get a new plan.

    6. Re:Apple Customers by NatasRevol · · Score: 2

      Why would you factor out the iPad when comparing iOS to Android?

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    7. Re:Apple Customers by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Android has voice dictation too hasn't it ? Plus it has to serve up all those mobile ads, so it might still use more data though not to the user's benefit.

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    8. Re:Apple Customers by schnikies79 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I have a 4S and use the same amount of data as I did with my 3G, which isn't much at all. Less than a gig per month.

      I do use Siri as well, mostly when driving.

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    9. Re:Apple Customers by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 2

      Maybe they use less data because iPhone apps aren't constantly uploading their gps coordinates and downloading ads. If you look at mobile web traffic, iOS beats android. Even when you factor out the iPad.

      Which in turn goes to GP's comment that iPhone customers pay more -- in this case, they pay more for apps. Any user that switches (in either direction) can attest to the fact that many apps in Appstore are paid where their Android Market equivalent would be ad-supported.

      That in turn goes to developer interest in the iPhone over Android.

    10. Re:Apple Customers by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Women don't fiind endless babble about how terrible the iPhone is to be a turn on.

      That's odd: most Android people I know (myself included) don't waste much time in conversation discussing phones, especially with members of the opposite sex, much less something such as the iPhone that we simply could not care less about. It's iUser arrogance to believe that all of us Android users care about the iPhone, feel threatened by it in some way. We don't, and we look down at people who so willingly allow themselves to be technologically shackled. But hey, to each their own.

      Matter of established fact, it's the Apple crowd that has always been by far the most vocal. I've been in this business for a long time, before there was an Apple ][. And, since the advent of the Mac, and Jobs' deliberate efforts to encourage class envy to increase sales, it's always been the Apple people that are constantly deriding those using competing products. In the old days, tell a Mac user that his machine is limited because it didn't have any peripheral slots and he would say, "Why would you need them?" Today, ask an iPhone user why his phone won't support tethering, why it is limited to a single GUI, why it won't allow installation of non-Market apps, and he'll say, "Why would you want to do that?" Nothing changes but their underwear, I guess.

      I dislike Apple intensely because at one point (decades ago) I made my living coding for Apple systems, and Apple truly was about freedom, openness, and the spirit of the personal computing revolution. Granted, that was Wozniak's influence: Jobs always was a dick. But today they pay lip service to freedom while doing their level best to turn you into a mere consumer of paid media, bought solely from Apple. No thanks.

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    11. Re:Apple Customers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That was a very long rebuttal to a criticism of Android fans who endlessly babble about how they hate Apple.

    12. Re:Apple Customers by pecosdave · · Score: 2

      But at least it was spot-on.

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    13. Re:Apple Customers by Deltaspectre · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The Apple crowd is by far the most vocal? In my college experience it was the Apple haters that were the most vocal.

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    14. Re:Apple Customers by tapspace · · Score: 2

      He's very good at convincing us that he couldn't care less about people who use different phones.

    15. Re:Apple Customers by MisterMidi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, but AFAIK Android's voice dictation is done on the phone so it doesn't use any bandwidth. Making the ads even more of a problem. This is partly due to stupid users (the same kind that get their PCs infected) and partly to Google. If they'd offer other payment methods than credit cards a lot more people would buy ad free apps. But then again, maybe it's more profitable to Google to serve ads instead of selling apps...

    16. Re:Apple Customers by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Funny

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    17. Re:Apple Customers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wow, just wow.

      First you mention iUser arrogance, then in the next sentence mention looking down on those (presumably iPhone owners) who let themselves be technologically shackled??

      if an iPhone owner wrote the same thing about androids, they'd be modded down and called an elitist fanboy. But apparently it's okay to be an elitist android owner and ironically mock iPhone user elitism.

    18. Re:Apple Customers by MisterMidi · · Score: 3, Informative
  2. Re:IRaped by amiga3D · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is how you utilize a first post?

  3. iPhone users by pchan- · · Score: 5, Funny

    They are also more attractive and have great personalities

    1. Re:iPhone users by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 3, Informative

      You forgot richer and better educated. Oh and more sexually active, that probably explains why there seem to be so many Android users on Slashdot.

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    2. Re:iPhone users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...more sexually active...

      That's why the corners are round.

    3. Re:iPhone users by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You forgot richer and better educated.

      Because there are cheap Android phones that less well off people can afford, where as Apple phones are only available to people with a higher level of disposable income.

      Oh and more sexually active

      Being raped by Apple doesn't count.

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  4. Tired of smart phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Soon as my contract is up I'm going back to a flip phone. Had an iPhone since they first came out, bought the 3gs, bought the 4, smart enough to realize the 4s was just more of the same, but with even more useless junk (Siri). Haven't touch my iPad in 2 weeks. It's too much and I've been working in tech since the early 90s, all I want now is simplicity.

    1. Re:Tired of smart phones by grelmar · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You know, I'm looking forward to my contract running out so I can dump my iPhone for a "dumb" phone, but for different reasons - and for a phone I'm not sure I can get.

      I just want a basic feature phone with a long battery life, that has a 4G antennae and bluetooth in it so I can use it to tether whatever real computing device I want at need. 95% of the "smart" features on my phone I don't use anymore, because they've been replaced by the same features on my larger screened Android tablet, and I also tether my laptop from time to time when I need a connection and a real computer when I'm out and about. All my iPhone serves as anymore is basically an internet hot spot for either, and (*gasp*) I use it to make phone calls. I'd much rather have a battery that lasts a week of regular phone usage on a much smaller flip phone that fits easily in my pocket.

    2. Re:Tired of smart phones by swb · · Score: 2

      What kind of battery life do you expect from a 4G feature phone that's pumping 4G data over bluetooth?

      My guess is the iPhone is probably as battery efficient at acting as a portable hotspot as a feature phone is.

    3. Re:Tired of smart phones by demonlapin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah, the 4G antenna and radio and the Bluetooth radio are pretty much going to massacre your battery life if you use them. Nobody is going to make that phone. Buy a flip phone and a data device. Or buy an Android phone, or an Android tablet with a data plan.

    4. Re:Tired of smart phones by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 2

      I'm the opposite. Everything is much simpler now because everything has been brought together and accessed through a single device. Much easier to cope with. Of course you need to have some constraint and say "no" when the next social-whatever bandwagon comes around so you don't drown in irrelevant shit.

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    5. Re:Tired of smart phones by wazza · · Score: 2

      Perhaps he's considering doing what I do when I tether my laptop to my phone - using WiFi tethering, but plugging the phone into a USB port on the laptop to keep it going.

      You know, since there's a computer with USB ports always there when you're tethering to a computer.

  5. WiMax and LTE by Monoman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can he defend their WiMax flub? Can he defend contracting with a company that has a non-existant LTE solution?

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    1. Re:WiMax and LTE by briankwest · · Score: 5, Informative

      You do realize they had to deploy WiMax because they would have lost the spectrum if they had not. At the time wimax was the only technology they could have went with. /b

    2. Re:WiMax and LTE by hemp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What's the attraction to LTE when you have a 2GB datacap?

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    3. Re:WiMax and LTE by asm2750 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I would mod up if I had points. LTE is a joke when you have data caps. There is no reason for it.

  6. Sprint Board revolt by Guppy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The SprintUsers site had an interesting commentary regarding a recent WSJ article on Hesse:

    http://www.sprintusers.com/could-hesse-lose-his-job

    Today’s Wall Street Journal has a rare, insider-rich piece targeting Hesse. A betting man would say his own board of directors had a lot to do with the story. No, no one on the board is quoted directly. But the picture the WSJ paints is certainly a flattering one of an engaged, hands-on board. They are served well by this story.

    You don’t see this sort of knifing when an exec is secure in his job. It usually means board members are trying to distance themselves from a CEO’s plans gone wrong so they don’t get personally sued by shareholders. Or they’re getting ready to fire him.

    Just last month, Sprint made an abortive attempt at a merger with MetroPCS, which was championed by Hesse but ultimately shot-down by the board. I have a feeling the company is going to experience a coup d'etat any day now. Well, whatever -- as long as my legacy SERO plan keeps working.

    1. Re:Sprint Board revolt by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 2

      Yeah, but if you want to get rid of the guy and make sure Wall Street thinks it's a good idea (i.e. not have your stock price tank after firing him), subtle jabs at his competence are the way to go.

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  7. Hesse is full of crap by Dracos · · Score: 2

    Ignore everything he says to justify iPhone on Sprint, what Sprint really wants is to get in on the Apple party.

    As a Sprint customer with an Android 4G phone (but no 4G service in my area, and I pay $10/month for it), I really would rather that they spend that pile of money on building out their network. Sure, they're going to roll out LTE over the next couple years, but my phone isn't LTE. Dammit. And my city will be among the last to get Sprint LTE.

    1. Re:Hesse is full of crap by Osgeld · · Score: 2

      so, you got yourself into a contract where you pay for a non existent product, I like your way of thinking

    2. Re:Hesse is full of crap by yoshi_mon · · Score: 2

      It is still a pretty big load of crap. I have a Personal BB package on an older voice package. It is $30 extra a month that includes 'unlimited' data/text/SMS. And while I don't use it all a lot I do make use of all of it. I've also used more recent BB's and by in large they are the same type of thing. To my veteran eye the total data use between my older fully a smartphone BB and a newer one can not be all that big a delta; if there is any at all.

      And yet Sprint wants me to pay more a month for a newer phone because 'it uses more data'. Bullshit. They just want to jack up the rates across the board and are using an excuse that they don't have to provide any metrics for. Look at the shiney consumer! Lookie! That rate increase? Oh well you want the shiney don't you? Don't you! Goooood boy!

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  8. Re:CEO Defends Decision To Bet It All On The iPhon by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In the one corner Apple, in the other such winners as HTC, Motorolla, Nokia and Sony Ericsson. CEO's always get fired if they back the wrong horse, but he picked the one with the right odds.

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  9. Canceled Sprint by dustman81 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I recently canceled Sprint and paid the ETF to do so. That's after having Sprint for nearly 10 years. I got an iPhone 4S with Straight Talk ( MVNO that uses AT&T's network). Why? Because I wanted a data service that works. With Sprint, I was frequently on 1X. Even when I was on 3G, the speeds were crap. Sprint bit off more than they can chew with the iPhone. WiMax was a bust. Nextel customers are leaving in droves and their Network Vision plan may well be the final nail in the coffin.

    1. Re:Canceled Sprint by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 2

      Same here, though I went to the T-mobile $30 5gigs plan and didn't pay an ETF. Fuck Sprint. First they add that nonsense $10 charge on. Then they changed the employee discount program to be more expensive with multiple lines. They also seem to just give the customer a huge "F U" and tack like $6 or more of random fees and shit on your bill.

      My $30 is (almost) $30. No fees. No overages. I theoretically pay a few bucks sales tax, but I found a place to get the T-mobile cards for like $29 for a $30 card with no tax.

      I'm personally trying to end the bullshit subsidized model the US has. Sure, I paid $620 for a nice-ass Galaxy Nexus, but over 2 years I'm paying less and over 3 years if I keep the same phone I'll save like $500.

      I detest Apple so the icing on the cake is Apple would be in a world of hurt with an unsubsidized model. I hope Sprint goes under, they have made some very stupid decisions and betting all their money on the iPhone is the biggest one.

  10. Re:CEO Defends Decision To Bet It All On The iPhon by phantomfive · · Score: 2

    Wow, that's kind of depressing. I don't own a smartphone, but I work on them, and the world is a better place when there are more platforms to choose from. This is why I also hope the Blackberry Playbook survives too.

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  11. This is bullshit. by acid06 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you wany an apples to apples comparison, you should, at the very least, compare mobile web traffic from iOS to mobile web traffic from high-end 4G Android device - which is what the CEO was talking. And no one seems to ever announce this sort of data.

    Stop with the fanboism. Seriously.

    1. Re:This is bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      iPhones aren't 4G though... so it's not Apples to apples.

  12. Re:IRaped by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is how you utilize a first post?

    What a waste.

    Now, when it comes to the topic at hand: Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer were fond of using the phrase "bet the company" on certain initiatives, such as .Net. It sounds like Mr. Hesse is actually doing that.

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  13. Re:CEO Defends Decision To Bet It All On The iPhon by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 4, Funny

    Totally forgot about RIM, but then who hasn't ;-)

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  14. Re:Slashdot trolls by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A contrived negative Apple comment. Who would have thought?

    Dude, the GP just defined Apple's entire business model. Seriously, that's it in a nutshell.

    Furthermore, like it or not, Apple is deserving of much approbation, far more than they get on this site.

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  15. this is why i left by corvax · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Same as others have already posted long time sprint user paid the early termination fee. Tired of waiting for them to get their act together. Bad decisions constantly....... Never using the money to upgrade their network properly. Funny thing is he talks about 4g that most people can't get on sprint and the iPhone isn't even 4g so its a bad comparison shows he is a fool. Get out while you can its a sinking ship...

  16. Re:Slashdot trolls by symbolset · · Score: 2

    They earn a lot though, eh?

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  17. This might be why they raised prices mid-contract by trevelyon · · Score: 2

    Not sure about anyone else but they will be loosing me as a customer.

    Sprint just raised prices mid-contract (only $5/mo but it could have been $1000 from the terms of the contract). When I called to get clarification they pointed me to the clause in the contract that says this: "We may change any part of the Agreement at any time, including, but not limited to, rates, charges, how we calculate charges, discounts, coverage, technologies used to provide services, or your terms of Service." They then will give you 30 days from the time of first notice (which is made on page 4 of the bill 30 days before the price is raised so by the time you see the price change you are already passed the 30 days) to drop Sprint if you wish. Of course that means sending back the $200 phone I paid for and getting nothing in return (no return charge and no phone). Basically this says is I am stuck with the agreement but really get nothing from it. They can change the price, length of contract, anything at any time and if I make changes then I get an early termination fee.

    The long and short is I am stuck with Sprint but will be moving away from them upon contract end and will never go back. I don't like to do business with companies that operate like this. I read the contract before but somehow must have missed this gem of a clause. I won't make that mistake again. It may be just me but any company that would ask the customers to sign something like this is no company I want to be doing business with. For the customer you are basically agreeing to pay an unknown amount if you quite (they can change that too you know) for an unknown amount of time at an unknown price. The simple fact that they have not raised you monthly rate to $1000/month and extended you term to 10 years with a $5000 ETF does not mean they legally can not. To sign something like this is simply foolish IMO. A mistake I do not intend to repeat.

    The fact that this price raise might be to cover new iphone subsidies just adds insult to injury. Next time I will buy my phone outright and use only prepaid services. The terms of service for all carriers are much too long to even bother with. Just another way that U.S. business is at a disadvantage compared to many other countries.

  18. Re:Slashdot trolls by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What I don't get is why iFanbois have such a hard time accepting a HELL of a lot of their buzz is branding and marketing. Not saying they don't build good products, because they do, but while Air Jordan is a nice shoe it ain't the leather that causes fistfights on release day, its the brand. Hell be happy, your favorite company has a brand like Prada and Porsche that people will pay assraping prices for that half eaten Apple logo.

    Jobs spent most of his life devoted to building that brand into one of the most recognizable on the planet, right up there with Coca Cola and Disney so just accept it, okay? I mean you don't see Ferrari owners going "Waah but its a good value for the money waah!" because guess what? its not. Its a bad ass uberpowerful exotic which you are damned well gonna pay for that power and just because the telecos are willing to eat billions in subsidies in the hopes of using an Apple device to lock customers into multiyear contracts so that Joe the plumber can have an iPhone doesn't magically make them priced for the masses, it just means the cost of the actual device is hidden.

    but in the end it all comes down to branding and I sincerely doubt you'd see the lines or selling out you see with something like the iPad if it weren't for every celeb on the planet being seen with one. Apple is "hip" and "cool" and "THE" thing to have so people want one. Jobs spent years building that up and to just ignore it ignores the man's life's work. Is that REALLY what you want to do? To belittle what was arguably one of the best marketing men in history? Give the man the credit he is due folks, by the time the man checked out his company was the most wealthy on the planet and his products went from being at death's door and looked down upon when he came back to being THE elite brand and the man was able to do that in less than a decade. give the guy his props.

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  19. Re:Slashdot trolls by evil_aaronm · · Score: 2

    You have some points, but, at the end of the day, it comes down to performance. For me, anyway.

    I'm the kind of guy who is fine riding around on an old, rusty 10-speed, instead of a tricked out high-end carbon-fiber bike. I also don't indulge in expensive riding apparel; I have proper cycling shoes - energy transfer benefit - but a shirt is pretty much a shirt. I drive a modest car instead of a high-end Audi, Beemer, Mercedes, etc. I have a modest house rather than a McMansion.

    My laptop is a MacBook Pro - but not the 17"-er. I don't even consider it "indulging," either. This machine and the OS combined provide me the best experience and environment for doing my thing, whatever that is at the moment: video production; writing code; mixing music tracks; surfing the web; managing projects; writing documentation; email; etc. It does exactly what I want in almost all cases, and the frustration level is near 0.

    I manage and have daily access to Solaris boxes, Linux boxes, Windows servers, etc. But for my daily use, it's a Mac.

    If there was nothing useful behind the "shiny," Apple wouldn't last long.