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Ask Slashdot: Which Multiple Desktop Tool For Windows 7?
First time accepted submitter asadsalm writes "MacOS has spaces. Windows had no out-of-the-box utility for multiple virtual desktops. Which Multiple Desktop Tool should one use on Windows 7? Sysinternals Desktops, mdesktop, Dexpot, Virtual Dimension, VirtuaWin, Finestra are the few options that I have shortlisted." So, if you use both Windows and multiple desktops, what's your favorite method?
At least, they gave a bit of an X feel to Windows 3.1
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. - Voltaire
Then why answer the question? To hear yourself speak?
BTW, Unix variants have had multiple desktops since long before Mac OS, OS X, or any Windows variant had them.
Need a Python, C++, Unix, Linux develop
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/cc817881
Seems to work pretty well and fast in my limited use.
This space for rent.
Because sometimes answers people don't want to hear are still the right answers.
Need a Python, C++, Unix, Linux develop
Mac OS X is a Unix (BSD) variant.
OS X IS a UNIX variant.
Sysinternals Desktops mentions some limitations up front. I don't remember whether I've tried any of the others.
Yes, it is. I meant Unix variants that existed before OS X.
Need a Python, C++, Unix, Linux develop
It's fine if you want to give up, but not all of us are quitters.
I know this might come as a huge shock, but linux does not suit everyone's needs.
If you have something useful to say, say it. But don't waste the poster's time with such a useless answer.
What do I know, I'm just an idiot, right?
I have 3 monitors. Who needs virtual desktops?
And Amigas had it earlier. Whoop-dee-doo. Other than some bizarre e-peen wagging to make yourself feel better what's the point of your post? No one claimed Macs had virtual desktops first.
for asking this question! it never occured to me to look for this feature for windows allthough it's one of those things i really really like about X (and therefore my linux boxes)
And that's why Linux users still have such a reputation for being such insufferable sanctimonious assholes.
I've been using GoScreen for years and years. It is perfect.
http://www.goscreen.info/
I have tried Sysinternals, Dexpot, and Virtual Dimension. But I am a pretty die-hard fan of VirtuaWin at this point. All other multiple desktop managers have been too slow, bloaty, cause problems with some windows, or just don't have the right features, (which for me is keyboard control and simple ways to move windows from one desktop to another). VirtuaWin wins on speed and stability alone.
How do you have multiple desktops in Gnome 3?
For a simple system that's pretty much completely hidden from users who don't know about it, Dexpot is hard to beat. Fully configurable keyboard shortcuts for fast switching, moving and copying windows, permanent assigning of windows/programs to certain desktops, and a bunch of plugins (I don't use any of 'em, but they're there if you need/want them) for visual effects and Win7 taskbar integration and such... It's pretty slick.
And most importantly - it's blazing fast.
No the guy is a roll. The person didn't want to go away from Windows. He was asking which of the options he.listed was better. Captain Aspergers was just bring an asshole.
What about the virtual desktop software built into the nvidia drivers? I looked around and nothing came close for me.
But it got nerfed into Mission Control in Lion 10.7 and is half-functional. You can't rename, reorder, arrange, or configure your "spaces" anymore. Shortcut keys still work for now...
They'll probably finish it off in Mountain Goat (10.8) since iOS is perfect and has no desktops so surely Mac OS X doesn't need them either.
*snarl*
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This is one of the main reasons I gave up on windows. No multiple desktops out of the box? Seriously? It's a basic feature of any modern desktop OS. Having to search for a good utility to add this capability to windows was among the many reasons it was much easier to switch to linux than to keep putting up with it. I didn't read the first post above as a troll. It's actually a reasonable question. Is there any real reason you would rather add basic functionality to an incomplete OS, such as vital programs, utilities, or games that won't work on anything else? If not, it's really worth considering giving it up altogether and using something that suits your needs better. For myself, I still have windows on my system, but I only boot to it on the rare occasions when I must sync to iTunes, or palm desktop, or run the current version of photoshop, none of which perform adequately (or at all) under WINE. Other than that, I don't miss windows at all.
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...just get more monitors.
You have as many as you like! They are dynamically spawned - the number in use, plus 1.
Now, if you like the fixed number of namable workspaces, with cyclical arangement? There are trivial shell extensions that provide this behavoir.
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
I use virtuawin, which seems to do everything that I'm used to on Linux (KDE). I also use a few Autohotkey scripts to make things easier when creating/finding/moving windows between desktops
As an answer, I've used Virtual Dimensions and Dexpot a lot. Last I used one, I preferred Dexpot.
Now, a slight variant of the question. Are there any truly multi-monitor aware virtual desktops. I mainly am looking for the ability to run the two screens as independent virtual desktops and change them independently.
Working as a desktop support with 30+ windows/apps open at the time calls for virtual desktops, I have tried Sys internals desktops - fail, tried VirtuaWin and haven't look for any other replacement. Can have virtual desktops setup as I like, can have one window shown at all desktops, another window always at the top etc. etc. The best tool I have used :) Did i mention that virtuawin is packaged as a portable app (portableapps) = even easier to deploy and use when you are unprivileged user.
I bumped into something that somewhat sounds like what you're looking for awhile back.
I was looking around the Catalyst Control Center and found something called HydraVision, which to my knowledge, allows multiple desktops.
Someone who's actually used this will have to confirm though.
What do I know, I'm just an idiot, right?
And why Windows users have such reputations for being incredulous noobs. I mean, why else do you think so much blatant malware and scamware is made for that platform anyway?
Need a Python, C++, Unix, Linux develop
On Unix the solution is trivial. On Windows the most convenient solution I have found is to have multiple machines. With the current economy that isn't difficult to accomplish if you're ok with using hardware previously owned by riffed or outsourced employees. This also makes sense from the standpoint that we are fewer people with more responsibilities, so it takes more desktop to do the work and more resources to drive it.
I currently have two desktop machines and two laptops on my desk. One is dedicated to alerts and performance metrics. One does email. One is my primary workstation, and the fourth catches overflow from the main machine. The youngest hardware is two years old, the oldest is six years. But it all still works, and there are spares from other former employees waiting in the wings.
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
It makes as many as I want. I find the way it works sort of irritating. But sometimes it's extremely convenient.
Also, it only makes multiple desktops on one of my monitors. And I find that behavior extremely convenient as well. Though it seems kind of inconsistent and results in strangeness sometimes if I disconnect a monitor. It's also sometimes irritating (but much less often irritating than the 'desktops on demand' feature).
Need a Python, C++, Unix, Linux develop
Then shut the fuck up.
Despite its age, it solves the problem beautifully and efficiently. If there is anything with the same flexibility and functionality (including edge-scroll, please) for Win 7, I definitely want to know. While I work mostly under Linux, sometimes it has to be Windows, and screen-clutter is a real issue there. I should also say that with less than 3x2 (better 3x3) desktops, I am not really happy.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
I've tried some of the virtual windows apps and I keep coming back to ye old alt-tab. Quick and easy.
I've been using it for several months now under pretty heavy load. I use 4 desktops with 3 applications that are persistent across all 4 desktops, as well as a unique application on each desktop. I switch across desktops constantly (see every couple of minutes or less) throughout the day. It is lightweight, efficient, and has never caused me a problem/crashed/etc, even though it is still technically a beta (I think). It works just like a virtual desktop should, as far as I'm concerned.
Why am I not just doing it in linux you ask? Because work requires me to be in windows... :P
Not only that, the Amiga's multiple desktops didn't even have to run at that same resolution. Even when displayed on the same screen at the same time. I can't think of any reason to do that in this day and age, but back then it made your e-peen wage long and far.
The best answer to questions often invalidate the question's assumptions. For instance (while daring hyperbole) "How can I cut down on beating my wife?" is a flawed question because it presumes that a "lesser" quantity of wife beating will make it okay.
In applicaiton to current circumstances, trying to patch a "multiple desktop" abstraction onto Windows is tehcnically probelematic because the underlying OS is -not- intended to support that modality. It can be done, but it has some very negative corner cases and it consists of making the display "lie about" the underlying condition of the system.
To compare and contrast:
Since the various windows in a X-server implementation are -factually- distinct all the way back to the OS-level process abstraction, the practical mechanics of de-realizing the window (withdrawing it from the display without destroying it) is a real, first-class operation. This is true even before considering things like staring multiple X-servers on different virtual terminals etc. That is, under linux you can make semantic -or- programatic desktops, or both, to acheive the "multiple desktop" effect.
Since Windows uses a common event queue to post information to all windows, and that event queue goes all the way to the bone in the OS (it is the same event queue that, say, asynchronous IO events are returned with), the windows cannot be de-realized, they can only be hidden. So in this case the "multiple desktops" are illusory. This may be good enough for casual work, but it is terrible if you need to actually isolate actions between the actual "desktops". One of the primary symptoms of this is that in the Windows virtual desktops, windows "on desktop X" can spontaniously reassert themselves onto whatever desktop (e.g. desktop Y) you are seeming to view. Hidden modal windows can seize things up oddly and so forth.
So while the original poster, it may safely be assumed, was being troll-like in tone, he wasn't particularly incorrect.
(Of course the identical troll, with no explination, occured to me when I read the main article... I just held it in... because someone already had it covered... 8-)
Innocent people shouldn't be forced to pay for inferior software development.
--"Code Complete" Microsoft Press
Okay, so if Linux is really so much better than Windows, why has Linux desktop marketshare stayed around 1% while Mac desktop marketshare has increased dramatically (~10% -> 20%) in the past 5 years?
Hint: Maybe I'm trying to tell you an answer you don't want to hear, but it's the right answer anyway. Or I'm just being an insufferable sanctimonious asshole.
Also, I'm not the GP AC poster.
They (Macs) still don't have a very good implementation either.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
I'm very surprised that this hasn't become standard. Even if not from the OS, but at least in video drivers. I recall a very nice multiple desktop tool was available with my video drivers on an old 4MB video card I was using with Windows 95. IIRC, it was an S3 Virge.
I have not used all of them on this list but at work I use VirtuaWin with the KvasdoPager module on Windows 7. Supports the windows task bar and dual-monitors flawlessly.
Windows: for those who just don't know when quitting is the better option... (I think this is the new Microsoft slogan for Windows 8... 8-)
Innocent people shouldn't be forced to pay for inferior software development.
--"Code Complete" Microsoft Press
In government service, OP makes sense. I served in the Air Force through the transition from various Unix terminals to Windows and it's really quite simple.
You give people orders and they obey them because they have no choice. There is no obligation to heed any whining.
There is a place for heeding users, and there is a place for giving orders and expecting them to be obeyed.
"This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
yeah, and KDE/Gnome have had multiple desktops since their inception. gee i wonder where Apple got the idea from.
Minut, Ubuntu, DSL, Fedora, .... all make great multiple desktops - I CTRL-ALT-DEL to get to windows
once every few weeks or so. Works just fine!!!!!!!
VirtuaWin works very well...what I really miss is the possibilities of devilspie or any other window manager which really allows to manage windows: Remove decoration, force position/size, always-on-top or below everything.
http://windowspager.sourceforge.net/
Its a lightweight free one that stays on your taskbar, like the linux ones I am used to. You can move windows either by dragging or right-clicking on the title bar. My favourite feature is "keep on top" that I have become dependent on with my linux desktop. :)
PS to run it, just run it. To make it run every time, put a shortcut in the "startup" folder.
Thanks. But how do you change desktops? How do you move applications to a new desktop?
On Gnome 2 the bottom right corner of the screen lets me change to another desktop ("workspace", in Gnome-speak). And I can move an application to a different workspace by right-clicking on the title bar. But Gnome 3 doesn't seem to have these features. No doubt there is an easy answer...?
You're an immobile computer, remember?
Get a video card that supports multiple monitors and hook them to a KVM switch. All the software implementations I have used have been so buggy that I stopped using them after a few weeks.
Apple still commits some changes in OSX back into FreeBSD. It is still Unix at its heart.
You mean like NeXT?
I am a recent convert to a MacbookPro. Coming from a Windows->OS/2->Linux->XP->OS X history, I am a big fan of Spaces. Unfortunately I'm not a big fan of OS X's handling of Command Tab.
I want to Command Tab between all open windows, not just open applications and then have to do the CMD+~ to get to the next. I want it to work like Windows.
Now, I have been using Witch to do this and it works--most of the time--with Spaces. They have a known issue where sometimes it doesn't. Yeah, this is fine now that it's not-yet-Nagging-me-ware but it's going to start soon and I really don't want to have to plunk down $10 on an application which doesn't really work.
Figured you guys may be the best to ask. So what application can use COMMAND+TAB to switch correctly between all open windows on OS X while using Spaces for free? Yes, I know there are some free ones which don't work with COMMAND+TAB. Yes, I've tried some of them, no they're not acceptable.
Any ideas?
Yeah, people like that make the rest of us look bad. I'm a Linux user and if Windows works well for you, I wish you the best.
The problem with assholes is that they're fucking loud, and they drown out the rest of us. I simply use Linux most of the time and thus don't really know the best answer to this question, so I keep my mouth shut.
Always remember that there's usually a silent majority that just doesn't have time for the bullshit.
It's better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.
- E. Debs
given that out of three identical win7-64 laptops that I took out of shrinkwrap yesterday, and booted making the exact same operations, two could list the network drives and one needed me to enter the name manually, just to recall the latest quirk, I can perfecly understand why people used to an OS that behaves in a consistent manner on a 7 year old desktop and on the latest netbook look down to a system that the OEM can't make work reliably.
I've been using goScreen (http://www.goscreen.info/) for this purpose for years. I'm not sure how it stacks up to the other utilities you mentioned, but it is highly customizable. My current configuration allows me to use the window map to switch desktops by holding control and dragging my mouse to the right edge of the screen, and I can also switch to any application currently running on any desktop by right clicking on the right edge of the screen. There are of course, tons of other ways you can configure and use the program. I'd wager it can be set up to match almost any desktop switching environment you are currently accustomed to.
There are however a few downsides. For one it's not free, in either sense of the word. For another, it breaks Windows 7's desktop slideshow feature, switching you to an unsaved theme with only one wallpaper in the rotation every time a program changes your desktop resolution. Last but not least, every time you switch desktops, it changes the order of the windows in the taskbar. None of these are major issues for me, although I do really wish they'd get fixed at some point.
Because it has the largest market share, if you're going to go through the trouble target the biggest pool.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
Windows has it built in. Go to the start menu, do "switch user", and, bingo! A whole new desktop...
No sig today...
I've used it myself, & per my subject-line above? It's good stuff, like much of his work is (iirc, he's been doing "hybrid design" work too, where parts of his work are 32-bit & 64-bit driver underpinnings too, allowing for low-level ops on BOTH a 32-bit &/or 64-bit OS platform).
* No, he's not "perfect" & not "my hero" (though I admire his work)!
We have also had our disagreements before too! That doesn't mean I don't respect he, even though we had differences over time...
(I.E.-> Over memmgt & what-not where in the end? VISTA had to reduce their cache loading aggressiveness even, proving my point that dedicating "ALL FREE RAM TO CACHE" in Windows, wouldn't work, & where memory optimizers can unfreeze/unhalt exchange servers + more... & I've even earlier, pre that debate @ Windows IT Pro, corrected the design of one of his apps in pagedefrag.exe (hardcodes to both registry hive locations, pagefile.sys location, & more + how/where to overcome that in NT Native API code, beneath the UserMode stuff we generally access, etc./et al)).
He's not perfect, nobody is, but he does DAMN fine work when he does (processexplorer.exe being the "prime example").
HOWEVER, most of all?
He's been 'that good' since the mid 90's too, & his Carnegie Mellon education/PhD has generally "shown thru" since then... education of that level, & "living the job" always shows thru.
APK
P.S.=> We both did wares for sale on contracts to Sunbelt software in the mid to late 1990's, & that's how I first was made aware of he & his works... Microsoft 'snapped him up' too, & that says WORLDS really, & on his blog I had to congratulate he on that much! Not everyone can get there, I was turned away after a 3-4 part inerview in 2003 in fact, proving I had more to learn is all!
So - I have to give credit where it's due, & that generally means you're PRETTY DAMN GOOD @ programming/analysis/design in comp. sci. related fields, especially @ a programming level! apk
Try it with OS X it's even worse, I ran the desktop deploy at an Apple facility on the same hardware profile with the same image we routinely got differing behaviors.
Mission Control, née Spaces / Expose, is not just about desktops. Multiple desktops are cool and all, but the better part is what used to be called Expose. Hit F9, and you get a choice of all apps running; select the window you want. Hit F10, and you get a choice of all windows from the current app. To me, that's way more useful than multiple desktops. I don't even bother keeping my desktop neat, anymore. I get the screen I want with one key, one click.
Dexpot kind-of works like that on Windows, but not as smooth. It also had issues with screen locking, but that might be just my machine.
I couple of years ago I was in your position. I went looking for the best Windows desktop manager. I was coming from a Linux / X world and was spoiled with my rich desktop environment, but I am stuck with my corporate laptop with Windows XP. I looked at a few multiple desktop tools and VirtuaWin was the best and most stable for me. The other tool I tried for a while was the tool from Microsoft, but it was worthless.
The features I use most are
- Switch desktop (dah!!) (using Windows Key + Left/Right)
- Move Window to another desktop (via mouse clicks on desktop tray)
- Keep window on top (via mouse clicks on title bar... very handy)
- Always show Window (via mouse click on title bar)
I don't expect much of my desktop switching tool, just that it has the above functionality. It does have one bug that crops up 2 or 3 times a year, and that's that all the windows will appear on one desktop, even hidden windows that should never be seen as a window, like desktop tray items. I am just presuming this is a VirtuaWin bug, but I can live with it.
Sometimes when a process that is linked to a window is under heavy CPU load (like Excel sometimes) VirtuaWin won't be able to handle the Window very well. I think this is more of a MS Windows problem than a VirtuaWin problem, and this issue was extremely bad with the MS Multi Desktop tool.
The developer does not seem to be making updates very frequently, but there are no features or bugs I need fixed.
Because there is no company "behind linux" pushing it into "marketing". This creates a catch-22 where people don't develop the "popularist crap" for linux because there is no market share, and "average" people don't buy the linux systems because there is no "crapware" for it.
Also, of course, since the big makers (Dell, Gateway, etc) are enjoined from selling linux-equipped desktop machines under penalty of losing their Microsoft OEM licenses, there are no "sales figures" for Linux Desktop Systems period. Microsoft "owns" the channels from which Linux Desktop Systems would emerge into actual conciousness.
Finally, -every- topic, user community, position, and theory has its share of insufferable sanctimonious assholes. Your use of the "Or" in your missive established a false dichotomy. You don't have to be -wrong- to be an I.S.A. 8-)
Innocent people shouldn't be forced to pay for inferior software development.
--"Code Complete" Microsoft Press
Why has Linux desktop market share stayed around 1%? Because the day that Linus Torvalds sent out his email about doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones, Microsoft already had an established desktop OS monopoly with DOS. ...while Mac desktop marketshare has increased dramatically (~10% -> 20%) in the past 5 years? Currently Mac desktop marketshare is ~7%. It has not increased "dramatically".
How is it the right answer to tell someone who develops and maintains C#.net applications built for Windows and compiled with VS2010 to use Linux?
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
I am primarily a Linux user and rarely boot into Windows but when I do, I use LiteStep. Well, I used to. I only recently converted my Windows install from Windows XP to Windows 7 and haven't tried it on Windows 7 yet.
http://litestep.info/
It may not be exactly what you're looking for. It gives you an entirely different desktop look and feel. It's modeled after the NeXTSTEP desktop so if you're an AfterStep user in the Unix world, LiteStep would be the Windows equivalent. It does offer multiple desktops which was one of its primary attractions for me. It crashed like mad on Windows 98 but was rock solid for me on Windows 95 and Windows XP. The only current support for Windows 7 is in an experimental build you may want to try out. It looks like the project may have stalled but it might still be worth looking into.
On my quite decent computer, Dexpot often (especially when the machine is under load) needs several seconds to switch desktops, which is very annoying (contrary to Linux, which needs 1/5 sec or so). But I didn't try whether other tools are faster.
If they really agreed a desktop pager would be in the OS.
The call you cite goes back to Win 2k, but 11 years later we still have no official Microsoft support. If you follow your own citation and become "historically aware" -and- read the call description, you will realize that this call -does- create a desktop, but its intended use is to create the desktop you get when you have logged in using control-alt-delete etc.
That is, it doesn't create a "virtual desktop" within the existing framework of display objects for an active user with an active desktop, it creates "a new desktop" as the instance of the regular old desktop that the user gets when he logs in.
You will also notice that it allocates "the desktop" from "the shared heap common to all desktops". This is an example of how the Window archetecture useses common intermingled resources all the way to the bone, as I stated. One of hte reasons that Wndows is so poor at security is that these common resource pools let programs "peek over the fence" or "toss data over the fence" at each other.
So contemplate how "CreateDesktop" and "CreateVirtualDesktop" would be different calls... Blindly providing citations to similar seeming API entry points does not a platfrom technology prove.
Innocent people shouldn't be forced to pay for inferior software development.
--"Code Complete" Microsoft Press
No, it's because the 'buy an application' model is completely broken. It barely works for walled gardens like Apple's app store. The idea that software is a 'product' you can put in a box and sell is the wrong way to be thinking about the world and creates an incentive system for thousands of scammers.
If people insisted that the source be available for any software they installed on their machines this kind of garbage would be much less likely. The incentive system is up-ended.
I really wish Red Hat or Ubuntu had an 'app store' in which only Open Source software appeared to be sold. And I wish Android Marketplace allowed filtering according to license. I bite my nails with every app I install from Marketplace because most of the time I really have no clue if I can trust the app maker at all.
Need a Python, C++, Unix, Linux develop
Christ almighty. The OP asked specifically about a solution for Windows. Most of the posts at this point are from the usual sad bastards who think 'Linux' is the answer to any question. For a Windows user, scrubbing the entire work environment and starting again with an unfamiliar or just plain unsuitable OS is not a solution in any universe. You lot do nothing to help your cause at all.
Ok, most Linux WMs have a virtual desktop manager built in, the Gnome one (or even the CDE one going back to HPUX or Solaris) are perfectly adequate, but for a Windows user you might as well suggest kicking themselves repeatedly in the nuts if that's the only advice you have to offer. Windows doesn't have a virtual desktop option built in, but Linux does, awesome, that's 1:0 to Linux but still totally fucking useless.
For my part, I've been looking for a similar solution. I've played with one or two but not found anything particularly useful. The OP's post was useful in itself in that he posted links to the ones he's checked out himself. A quick look suggests that Virtual Dimension looks good - I'll be checking this out myself. I have 3 monitors, two of which are generally dedicated to email and my knowledge base. PuTTY sessions generally sprinkled across the three. Being able to switch my entire screen environment for particular tasks would be useful.
Extra info for Linux fucktards: I'm a 20-year Linux admin and systems programmer who pretty much HATES Unix window managers and prefers Windows as my main desktop platform. I've used lots of Unix desktops and frankly they're mostly a disaster in my opinion.
And those of you who have posted useful info in response to the OP's question: thanks, very useful.
It's not an answer at all since it doesn't meet the specified conditions in the question.
The asker specified WINDOWS 7.
For that matter, you didn't even state a method of doing that in ANY operating system, you just said don't use windows.
If you want to know why I'm pointing this out, it's so hopefully others (maybe even you) will realize what's wrong with your post and avoid doing such again. I know, I'm being overly optimistic, but if someone doesn't at least try once in a while, they might as well just burn all the forum servers on the planet.
According to the Open Group which owns the trademark Unix: OS X is Unix. What is your criteria of Unix, by the way?
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
No. It's just the latest version of a proprietary OS released in 1984. It's only Unix when it's time to engage in marketing
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2007/08/mac-os-x-leopard-receives-unix-03-certification.ars
If you'll note, he did NOT say to use Linux, in fact, the only mention of any software or operating system he stated was "don't use windows".
That my friend, is the sign of either a troll, or an incompetent debater.
It is true that his sig mentions where to go to get a developer for several things, one of which is Linux, but that means nothing, it's just a sig.
Personally I use blackbox for windows, although you need to spend a lot of time configuring your UI the way you want it. The default is abysmal for anyone who is used to the traditional windows UI, it's possible to get it to be pretty close to the traditional windows UI (except better).
There are many versions of blackbox for windows. The one I use is bb4win:
http://bb4win.sourceforge.net/bblean/
I regularly tell people who want to run a particular Windows application on a Linux system that they will be much happier if they make their system dual-boot.
The fact that you regularly see people do this or that has no bearing on what the best answer is to particular problems.
The -best- answer to most virtual desktop questions is -actually- to close some damn windows. I watch people clutter up their desktop with crap, then want extra virtual desktops so that the can spread their clutter. Finally they decry "why is my computer so slow".
Learn to use the minimize button for christs sake. Don't ask for multiple desktops when you always maximize the windows you are looking at. Learn to do one thing at a time. etc.
The average virtual desktop wanter has so many tabs open that they cannot find their way back to what they need. They don't understand, or never use winkey-D because they have too many tabs open to find anything fast. The solution they come up wiht is spreading out and grouping a-la virtual desktops. But then they just clutter those up.
Advice must suit the situation and, quite frankly, "virtual desktops on windows" is almost always the inferior option.
No, Linux won't solve that. Nothing will solve that. They'll just start getting frustrated that they now cannot find the tab they want on the desktop they want because the same factor that prevents them from finding their work on one desktop will not help them find it on five.
Innocent people shouldn't be forced to pay for inferior software development.
--"Code Complete" Microsoft Press
Will someone please tell me that using Linux doesn't necessarily mean you have to act like an asshole? Or maybe there something about gnome or kde that requires it or something?
It's like the 15 year old boy who is getting ready to go to his first prom and pick up his date and asks his mom if he looks OK and his mom says, "You should have gotten a haircut. I know that's not the answer you likely wanted to hear, but unfortunately, I don't have any answers you want to hear. Plus, you're too young to be dating."
He learns very quickly never to ask his mom anything serious again.
I really don't want people to learn that you really shouldn't ask Linux users for any computer advice because it's more likely you're going to hear about their ideological stance than anything actually useful. Not that changing from Windows to Linux couldn't be useful, but maybe we shouldn't assume that the person asking the question is completely clueless about the relative merits of Linux vs Windows and has other reasons that he needs to use Windows and if he is completely clueless about the relative merits of Linux vs Windows than maybe it means the Linux community has work to do besides belittling someone who comes to you with an honest question.
"I'm having trouble playing this Black Keys CD on my new Linux system, do you think you could help me set up audio on this system? I think I may have done something wrong."
"No, I won't help you, because you shouldn't listen to retro, derivative crap like the Black Keys, you should be listening to Zed Bias or Datsik. If you want my help, first get a clue about good music."
"Gee, what an asshole. I might as well go back to Windows Vista so I don't have to deal with jackoffs like him."
You are welcome on my lawn.
Because -only- Linux users, of all the technologies, factions, religions, and political persuastions, have a vocal I.S.A. contingent. 8-)
Lets see, who started with the ad hominim here? Is that why linux detractors have a reputation for being such insufferable sanctimouious assholes as well?
Glittering generalities and broad-brush dickishness help how exactly?
Innocent people shouldn't be forced to pay for inferior software development.
--"Code Complete" Microsoft Press
I really wish Linux had big commercial companies pushing it so that it could get bigger! One could sell support, particularly for enterprise systems, and one could pile money into pushing a desktop version, tweaking it to be as new-user-friendly as possible!
Oh, wait.
Maybe you should grow up a bit and quit treating computers as a sodding religion.
I have used AltDesk since around 2001. It was the closest I could find to the old FVWM pager and easily allows apps to be moved from one desktop to the other.
Or maybe you shouldn't assume that everyone's needs are the same as yours.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
Eh? Do you actually know the slightest thing you're talking about?
The kernel is a modified Mach kernel, a descendent of BSD Unix - unlike Linux, which has no code inherited from Unix at all. The userspace is almost entirely the FreeBSD userspace, with plenty of GNU tools thrown on top. The only thing that remins from the proprietary OS released in 1984 is the overall look of it. Other than the graphics layers, OSX is very much an updated version of Next. OS1-9 were very definitely nothing to do with Unix. OSX is Unix, unlike Linux which is merely Unix-like. Sure, it doesn't use X, but X doesn't make something Unix.
Sure. Don't use GNOME 3 ;)
I liken someone who insists on continuing to use Windows to someone who insists on their toy without caring that someone in some third world country was worked to death to make it. Using software like that only encourages the people who make it to make more of the same kind of thing. It's pollution that says that robbing people of freedom is just fine as long as the toy is shiny enough.
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Yes, I should assume that people who ask to eat arsenic laden food are immune to arsenic poisoning too.
Need a Python, C++, Unix, Linux develop
In Windows Seven, I've been using Dexpot, and it does almost everything I want.
However, It's unfortunate that Jan Tomasek's "sdesk" application no longer works. He stopped working on it a little more than a decade ago, and it continued to work all the way through WinXP, but now it just fails to work in Win7. For desktop managers on Windows, that was my favorite. Dexpot works pretty well, but it still is missing a couple of features that worked well in sdesk.
Ctrl+Alt+Up/Down arrow - Allows you to switch between the workspace
Ctrl+Alt+Shift+Up/Down arrow - Move the current window to a different workspace
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I liken people who take this subject as seriously as you to people who should find more meaningful causes to pursue. Seriously, Microsoft have acted like an unpleasant multinational - because they are - and Apple have acted like an unpleasant multinational - because they are - and if Ubuntu or Red Hat became big enough they'd act like unpleasant multinationals. And in the meantime, life goes on and we use whichever OS suits us at that moment without getting into flamewars online...
No offense meant, not really, but this isn't a religion. There are good things about Windows - application support for the most part, as others have said in this thread, but also the fact that on the right hardware even Vista is a nice OS (and heavily maligned, not least because it was generally launched onto the *wrong* hardware, and that not least because Microsoft pretty much lied about what it would work on - like I say, they're an unpleasant multinational), and 7 is basically stable and entirely usable. There are also horrible things about Windows. There are good things about Linux, and there are horrible things about Linux. Likewise OSX, the BSDs and whatever other OS you might point at at any time.
No, it's because the 'buy an application' model is completely broken. It barely works for walled gardens like Apple's app store. The idea that software is a 'product' you can put in a box and sell is the wrong way to be thinking about the world and creates an incentive system for thousands of scammers.
Joke or troll?
I yearn for the days where I could go and buy a box with a disc (or disk!) and manual.
They got money. I got software that worked. I got documentation! I could even install it multiple places, resell it, whatever.
Feels like hearing my grandpa talk about how at the age of 12 he would just run across town barefoot, with his friends, and their rifles, to go shoot at cans by the creek.
And these are the same keys that GNome, KDE and even FVWM2 have used sice the year "dot". :-)
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
If RedHat or Ubuntu start acting against my best interests I'm not nearly so trapped into my choices. I could, relatively easily, switch all of stuff I use at home to Debian if I so chose.
The incentives for companies that make close-source software are all wrong. Their every incentive is to act against the interests of their customers in important and major ways. Network effects then conspire to make the choices of all of those duped customers make life more difficult for me as they expect me to do things in a way that's compatible with the software that traps them into the cycle.
Yes, large multinationals have a strong tendency to act against the interests of their customers and the public. And that's why I prefer to do business with large multinationals that have an incentive structure that inspires my trust.
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I can download software that I know doesn't cheat me, and it usually has really excellent documentation. I wish a structure were in place whereby I could conveniently encourage the people who make such software to make more of it.
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People working in the third world building toys aren't (usually) forced to - they do it because it actually improves theirs or their families' lives. And that's been consistently true in every country, from the Philippines to China.
People who refuse to buy from the third world and pay instead for stuff made in developed countries are actually doing much worse to those workers.
http://web.mit.edu/krugman/www/smokey.html
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No more than there is, say, the best musician or athlete - everyone has strengths, weaknesses & what-not...
Say what you will, but Russinovich is is my ultimate nerd idol. Listening to that man talk about Windows, and go into such amazing detail about how it works, all the way down to the bare metal and then back up through the processor, into the kernel, back out into user mode... it's positively fascinating.
:P
Honest to goodness, the one thing that, not only career-wise but even down on a fundamental level of sheer personal enrichment for the thing I love most, would seemingly allow a quantum leap in what I want to learn would be an apprenticeship under him and the other technical fellows at Microsoft. Just as many here would probably say the same of themselves and Torvalds, I suspect!
Now I'm getting impatient, waiting for the next iteration of Windows Internals to show up at my door. Get moving, Microsoft!
Boot Windows, Linux, and ESX over the network for free.
I use four 24" monitors, and I find that works rather well.
Hardware, baby!
Place nail here >+
Stupid idiot. Virtual machines are not what is under discussion and you know it.
Except it's up/down instead of left/right
Market share.
How is it the right answer to tell someone who develops and maintains C#.net applications built for Windows and compiled with VS2010 to use Linux?
You're right that you can't generalize. In many cases a company is better off not rocking the boat. However, companies that strategically prefer Open Source can be better off for it, both in license costs and in expanded technology choices. For example, you can do C#.NET with Mono on Linux.
No, they aren't (usually). I was talking about the case in which they were being forced to. I, for example, am a bit on the fence about Foxconn, bordering on thinking they're doing fine. I think most of the anxiety people have is over how they are ever going to compete with those workers in other countries.
I wanted to think of a better example where large numbers of people make a decision that seems to be in their own self-interest that's actually harmful to themselves and a whole lot of other people in the long run.
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Virtual desktops are part of the core functionality of bblean. Both the 32-bit and 64-bit editions have for a long time worked tremendously well for me on Windows 7 OS. It is #1 on my list of must have software for Windows. My only gripe is that the program I use for updating my WoW addons (curse client) is a whimpy .NET application that won't execute at all under alternative shells (they say they don't support it), so I have to very simply work around their jankyness by switching back to explorer shell.
this is not a troll, which hosts file source you recommend nowadays? it's a really handy method for speeding up web and it works.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
Terminals is good. It handles web interfaces, remote desktops, etc and the credentials for each if you wish. Make sure IE is your default browser if you have cisco or dell switches to manage though.
I don't use multiple desktops, I just use a triple monitor set up. I might piddle with them on windows now since I enjoy them with linux.
Back when I was still using XP (I've since switched to Linux and am getting by without multiple desktops on my home Windows 7 machine), VirtualDimension worked pretty well for me. You can give shortcut keys (I used Win+1-0) to switch between them, and it works by hiding all windows except those on the 'current desktop'. Some applications (most notably web browsers) would get sometimes get stuck on all the desktops if they were summoned to appear by another program while you were looking at a different desktop than the one you had put them on. Reason would seem to hang if I switched desktops while its file open dialog was open. But once I learned to avoid these situations it was perfectly useable.
I also used SlickRun and had each virtual desktop span 2 monitors and didn't run into any conflicts.
Duct tape, XML, democracy: Not doing the job? Use more.
I liken someone who insists on continuing to use Windows to someone who insists on their toy
I liken someone who insists on running Linux as a desktop OS to the guy who uses his lucky golf club, even though it's warped and never hits right. He keeps on using it, over and over and over, because it's what he believes in. He secretly hopes one day he'll get a hole in one with it, but the day never comes, because it's broken, and he can't see that.
Either way, it's fitting that you used a toy analogy. After all; Linux is, if anything, a tinker-toy desktop OS.
Oh boy, delusions of grandeur. People like this is why Linux will never take off for anything more than it currently is.
It's a work machine so I'm stuck... it is Gnome 3, KDE 4, or Unity. The KDE 3.5 option disappeared years ago, and the most recent upgrade got rid of Gnome 2. Ah, progress.
However, the lack of an obvious way to change workspace is really the only problem I've hit with Gnome 3 in the last few months. That's not bad at all by Linux standards. It actually seems mature and well-built!
You're an immobile computer, remember?
It's in the Subject field.
Ok, my use of desktops is quite different from the OP. I have multiple accounts for different roles, and my app switches to different user's desktop as easy as alt-tab. In a sense it's conceptually similar to Sysinternals' Desktops (i.e. supported by underlying desktop objects but not by moving windows away).
... have Linux installed on them. Linux has great support for "spaces" or "virtual desktops". Sorry couldn't resist, but seriously, I only use Windows for gaming, where you really don't need more than one desktop space... maybe 2 monitors though if you're playing supreme commander...
Desktop a is on the first monitor, desktop b is on the second monitor. If I want to hide desktop c, I move the third monitor behind the first monitor.
Virtuawin works well for me on Windoze, but as other posters have said, it's a bolt on that is standard in Linux. W.
I personally use Actual Window Manager for my desktop management of windows systems. Lots of options for saving preferred locations for apps and changing behaviors like adding a second taskbar (with start button) to second monitors. Forcing apps to startup on same window as the mouse. Forcing apps to always be on top. Just a lot of little useful things that I occasionally really want.
It has a few flaws especially if the application its hooking is unresponsive and is more expensive than free but worth it in by my book. I don't use Virtual Desktops Switcher much as I don't personally need it but that is its multiple virtual desktop manager and is reasonably easy to use. The product has a 60 day trial so plenty of time to try to see if you like it.
I'm not sanctimonious thank you very much!
I'd like to know why people use virtual desktops? Increasingly I'm finding that the maximum number of windows I need to shuttle back and forth is 2, so I snap one to the left, and the other to the right, and keep it that way. I never expect my desktop to retain the same layout, and usually don't have difficulty finding the window that I want.
Starbucks, Harbuckle of Breath.
Haven't tried anything else because this did such a great job!
'Of course, it's not an answer you likely want to hear. Unfortunately, I don't have any answers you'd want to hear."
Of course, it's not an comment you likely want to hear. Unfortunately, I don't have any comments you'd want to hear. Unfortunately, I don't have any ANSWERS to the question asked.
FTFY
Just use Hydravision, or whatever component it is that ATI has for free on their website (as part of the Catalyst suite).
I'm sure Nvidia and Intel have their own versions.
I am John Hurt.
Unix has been dead and burried for the last 15 years, no traditional Unix user cares anymore. Linux (and others) have taken over the Unix philosophy. It's all about creating operating systems which are compatible within an OS family, for mutual benefits. The modern "Unix philosophy" support desktop apps, but Mac OS apps of course will not work on any other Unix. Apple don't care about being compatible with other operating systems, which I would see as a basic requirement for being "Unix". Being POSIX compliant and having a nice certification isn't enough.
I'm not judging operating systems here. Mac OS is great, but Unix(tm) don't evolve that much and Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD and all the other compatible operating systems picked up the axe, and it happend a long time ago. Mac OS took a different path.
Because there are more windows users. Also windows uses a macro kernel design which allows for more ease in finding and using exploits for a larger user base of computer users.
up to three concurrent machines (choose from: Mac OS X (1 desktop), XP (1 desktop), OpenSuSE 11.4 (default 4 desktops), NetBSD (2 desktops), Android (1 desktop)), on a Windows 7 host.
Operation Guillotine is in effect.
Many of them are bloated with animations and other crap. Very slow to switch desktop, the primary feature!
VirtuaWin is pluggable, and has all one might need. I use it for 6 desktops, each has it's own timer I can reset (to track time of my paid projects). Additionally own background color thru plugin, so that I notice the desktop I'm on more easily.
Also it has a comprehensive setup to configure which windows are allowed to be tracked. It is important as there are programs you don't want to be tracked e.g. password keeper (KeePass) etc.
Russinovich may be a A-grade technical ubergod, but as a fiction writer he is a misogynist F-grade hack.
For example, the first two female characters in his book Zero day are both introduced as sex objects.
Contrast this with, for example, with the male author who has developed Lisbet Salander.
Pretty much ANY open source application you can name has a much better commercial competitor. I don't mind spending money for software that makes me more productive or provides more entertainment value.
Meh, who cares. But I do hope you are wearing your tinfoil hat.
What you suggests is that X is the true philosophy of Unix while the OS X GUI is not.
Do not counfoud X with Unix. They are two different things.
You're right - also, if Ferraris are so much better than Ford Mondeos, why are there so many more Ford Mondeos? It must mean they're much better cars, right? Right?
Code, Hardware, stuff like that.
I do not suggests that any single part is in the true philosophy of Unix. The Single UNIX Specification, Unix(tm) that is, was created out of the necessity to create compatible operating systems. It really only mandates small parts of a modern OS and it isn't really relevant anymore since pretty much all OSes are compliant, certified or not. Part of the philophosy of Unix is still to create compatible operating systems.
Put another way, if you run one Unix(-like) it should be pretty straighforward to change to another Unix(-like) OS based on the merits of the operating system, there should be minimal lock-in. Lock-ins and nonstandard API:s create fragmentation, and that was exactly why the Single UNIX Specification was created to remedy in the first place.
Taken from wikipedia
The SUS emerged from a mid-1980s project to standardize operating system interfaces for software designed for variants of the Unix operating system. The need for standardization arose because enterprises using computers wanted to be able to develop programs that could be used on the computer systems of different manufacturers without reimplementing the programs. Unix was selected as the basis for a standard system interface partly because it was manufacturer-neutral.
For fans of keyboard-centric tiling window managers (awesome, ratpoison, etc), bug.n works pretty well. It is not without occasional glitches, but overall, it works quite well.
http://developer.berlios.de/projects/bugn/
I found out that a elliptical reflector dish helps against assholes that are're fucking loud!
Good thing you saved one letter with the "@" sign instead of writting "at", makes your post look that much more mature and readable.
"I see undead people" Warcraft III - Necromancer
Weak little /. trolls & their effete retaliation in the unjustified "mod down", yet again, lol!
Oh yes - the "last resort" of trolls, everywhere!
Clearly, it's "the best they've got" (which isn't saying much in their defense). Please - Keep blowing your "precious mod points", I can handle it (well, except for perhaps the laughter I am having over it, makes my midsection hurt, lol!)
(Additionally, better me, than somebody else dealing with your "ne'er-do-well" b.s.!)
In fact? I'll even let a respected "Open SORES" person speak for me on that account as well now (to get your goats even more, lol, for me):
"It just takes one PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
SOURCE -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192
APK
P.S.=> After all & above ALL else here: Hey - It's not my fault that all you have is weak tactics like that doing a slew of 7 totally unjustified mod downs of my posts here, and then seeing you running away like scared rabbits afterwards... that's clearly indicative of the REST of your lives (weak)... apk
Yeah, I was just making a rubbish joke. Of those options I'd actually personally choose KDE4 but that might be because I've only messed around with GNOME 3 on a computer with rubbish graphics drivers, so it simply didn't play nicely. I'll try it out on my desktop at some point, actually, and see if I dislike it in reality as much as I dislike what I've heard of it - most likely not.
"Good thing you saved one letter with the "@" sign instead of writting "at", makes your post look that much more mature and readable." - abordec (984984) on Friday March 23, @08:02AM (#39449417) Homepage
Your off-topic illogical ad hominem attack makes YOU 'mature' (lol, NOT!).
* Quit blaming others for your obvious inadequacy and illiteracy, troll... that's nobody's fault but your own!
APK
P.S.=> How pitiful can these trolls get? Unjustified mod downs of 7 of my posts is 1 thing, but then going completely off topic & doing illogical ad hominem replies too?? Oh yes "the hits keep on coming", lol... apk
I see what you're meaning, but surely the standard user interface on Unix-like OSs these days is the terminal - otherwise the fragmentation is huge even within a single OS (Slackware running GNOME 3 compared to Slackware running Enlightenment, for instance). From the terminal, I can jump between Solaris, varieties of Linux, varieties of BSD, OSX and so on, and have a reasonably consistent experience.
Though if you extend my argument you begin suggesting something like the GNU tools being the standard user interface on Unix-like OSs... which is perhaps a bit farcical.
But its default userspace environment (the Mac OS X GUI) is nothing like any of the traditional UNIX X11-based environments. So, while it may have a BSD kernel in there and a bunch of UNIX utilities available in a Terminal.app window, Omnifarious' comment about UNIX having multiple desktops before OS X is entirely valid. It had them before OS X existed.
Program Intellivision!
"It's a UNIX system! I know this!"
Look, X11 is pretty much the default UI substrate for anything branded and marketed as UNIX or Linux first. MacOS X has UNIX under the hood, but the UI and user experience is marketed as OS X. The UNIX stuff only comes up when they want to trumpet their stable underpinnings.
Go grab a Linux or Solaris or FreeBSD or OpenBSD workstation, and what do you have? An X11-based environment. Sure, your Linux-based smartphone may not run X11 (although mine does), but nobody really thinks of a smartphone as a "Linux box." If you go build or buy a UNIX or Linux box, it'll be running X11 by default.
Now, Wayland looks to unseat X11 as the default graphical substrate for the *nix UI environment, but that's a long way off. And even once they get there, they'll get there with an X11 emulation module. So, I think it's fair to say when folks say UNIX or Linux, they imply an X11-based environment.
Program Intellivision!
I wanted to think of a better example where large numbers of people make a decision that seems to be in their own self-interest that's actually harmful to themselves and a whole lot of other people in the long run.
What is a Linux fanboy who decides to act like an insufferable sanctimonious asshole to "promote" Linux
Now I'll take the rapists for 500, Trebek
Used AltDesk for a few years now at work and it was by far the best i tried at the time. Love it so never felt the need to change.
It's a 32-bit app, but I've been running it on Win7-64 bit with really no problems. It allows sticky windows, separate backgrounds, configurable shortcut keys, tying a specific application to a desktop, has a preview pane, lets you rearrange from the preview pane, and it's worked (for me) for years. I think it's Russian, from Gladiators Software, the same people who do the AshtonShell.
To be the cook though! On that note? Have YOU done better?
* Obviously not. LOL, I state the obvious on that account because I have yet to see a novel authored by "anonymous coward" on any best-seller lists!
( See subject-line above: "Rinse, Lather, & Repeat" + "Drink that in & digest it"...)
APK
P.S.=> Yes, I'll even defend the guy on that account vs. 'armchair QB's" like yourself that toss names in illogical off-topic ad hominem attack attempts as you have reprehensibly done here, especially considering you're not in position as a peer to critique he thus on the account you speak of never having done it yourself... apk
American democracy
*golfclap*
I had a bet with myself before clicking the link as to how soon it would be before someone said that.
I wasn't expecting frosty piss. Good job.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Their every incentive is to act against the interests of their customers in important and major ways.
You've gone full retard. How is a software developer going to make sales if he makes software that doesn't do what his customers want? Did you buy your account just to make mentally challenged posts like these? I refuse to believe that your posts are anything but trolling, they are just way too fanatical.
You do realize that your computer's hardware is also made by companies like Foxconn, right?
What I say is, the sooner they stop letting the hoi polloi use computers the better. Like nuclear weapons, they should only be trusted to a very few, highly trained people. A good first step would be to increase taxes on all computing devices so that you had to spend at least a million dollars to get one, and even then only after a rigorous licensing process involving the acquisition of at least one PhD in computer science.
Also, anyone found using Windows should be hanged, drawn and quartered. Twice.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
The correct way to write what you did is the following: "Good thing you saved one letter with the "@" sign instead of writting "at", it makes your post look that much more mature and readable." Note the bolded word you omitted? You screw up on the very account you troll others on. So judge not lest ye be judged troll.
The idea that software is a 'product' you can put in a box and sell is the wrong way to be thinking about the world
Yeah, I'm sure the big game companies for instance would be quite happy to spend millions on developing a title then just give it away. No doubt they'd make their money by charging for support, because obviously if you've paid nothing for a game, you will be happy to spend fifty quid on getting it to work.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
The official name is "OS X". If you can't bother to learn facts, stop asking questions. You don't see me writing "MicrosoftOS", do you?
> What is your criteria of Unix, by the way?
Actually using them. ALL of them.
The Open Group spec is pretty worthless. It's far too limited. It's primary value is just marketing. That's exactly the way you are trying to use it now.
That spec allows for a degree of variation that any fanboy would try to laugh at if it were applied to any other system.
You idiots whine about "fragmentation" in Android. That's nothing compared to what the Unix spec does not cover.
MacOS is only Unix when it's time to engage in mindless marketing. Otherwise, it's something that's ignored and avoided.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
I have been using goScreen (http://www.goscreen.info/) for more than 10 years now, and to be blunt it just works. Some features:
- Multiple languages (for those of you who need that),
- keyboard shortcuts,
- great support - quick fixes (to the very few bugs that have showed up)
- pay-once and get every upgrade after
- stable on every version of Windows I have run it on
Best $20 I ever spent.
It might be more of a trend than you think. I work at a university and the unix admins (mind you - not just Linux, but Solaris and BSD too) I've heard more than one complaint about them being rude.
The Windows admins at the same place I've never heard anything about, but in my experience are always generally helpful.
virtuawin for the win. (no pun intended)
Giving the authors money is a generallly accepted practice that works well in these cases.
You're special forces then? That's great! I just love your olympics!
So not only do you fail to provide a clear answer, your answer is that there is only one true Unix and no Unix which matches your criteria? Talk about a non-answer.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
I have used VirtuaWin for some time now. It's relatively easy to set up, and I have seen no performance issues with my Windows 7 partition while it's running. It works for me, maybe it could work just as well for others.
The more you know, the more you have to say and the more you should listen.
... fullscreen putty.exe shelling into a "real" box (i.e., running UNIX) and start tmux.
tmux is your virtual desktop.
You can put some black electric tape over the titlebar and almost forget your desktop actually runs Windows.
http://www.actualtools.com/multiplemonitors/
I had received a free "press" version of 3.0 years ago, and when they came out with 4.0 and I saw all the new features I jumped on it and paid.
Not familiar with any of the software on your shortlist, sorry!
Eric
http://www.HelpfulChicagoRealtor.com
if you use both Windows and multiple desktops, what's your favorite method?
Multiple monitors. I find virtual desktops (or would that be "virtual virtual-desktops?") to be more of a hindrance than a help, since I have to remember which window is on which desktop and use different shortcuts for accessing them than simply switching to the desired window directly. I could see it being useful in some limited situations, such as if a VM is running on one desktop, although given the choice, I prefer giving it its own monitor.
https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere
But its default userspace environment (the Mac OS X GUI) is nothing like any of the traditional UNIX X11-based environments. So, while it may have a BSD kernel in there and a bunch of UNIX utilities available in a Terminal.app window, Omnifarious' comment about UNIX having multiple desktops before OS X is entirely valid. It had them before OS X existed.
...Bullshit.
the hphosts one breaks dns on win7, for some reason.mvp's seems to work nice
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
Okay, so if Linux is really so much better than Windows, why has Linux desktop marketshare stayed around 1% while Mac desktop marketshare has increased dramatically (~10% -> 20%) in the past 5 years?
The codfish lays a thousand eggs, the little hen just one.
But the codfish never cackles to tell us what he's done.
So we scorn the mighty codfish, while the little hen we prize.
Which surely goes to tell you that it pays to advertise.
The title of his post was "Linux" and the first line was "That's my answer". He was doing the annoying thing where the title extends into the comment.
With larger HOSTS files, such as hpHosts? You have 2 options:
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A.) Disable the local DNS clientside cache (this is faulty anyhow, & I've pointed it out to Microsoft, nobody denies it either, and with relatively LARGER hosts files - the problem is that it is built on a fixed-size structure it loads into is why). Easy to do, 1 of 2 ways:
1.) Via running SERVICES.MSC, & right-clicking on the DNS Client service, setting its properties to DISABLED, and then stopping it there also - this saves RAM, CPU time, & other forms of I/O associated with it also (double-bonus really) since it's illogical to run something you do not really need (since the local kernelmode diskcache subsystem will take over caching the HOSTS file data for you).
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B.) TO BE ABLE TO USE DNS CLIENTSIDE LOCAL CACHE SERVICE WITH A LARGE HOSTS FILE:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Dnscache\Parameters
Click Edit -> New -> DWORD Value (type) MaxCacheTtl
Click Edit -> New -> DWORD Value (type) MaxNegativeCacheTtl
Next right-click on the MaxCacheTtl entry (right pane)
and select:
Modify and change the value to 1
The MaxNegativeCacheTtl entry should already have a value
of 0 (leave it that way)
Close Regedit.exe, and reboot ...
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* Either way will do it, but imo @ least, it's illogical to even waste RAM, CPU time, & other forms of I/O on a services you do NOT really need to do, which is WHY I lean towards A above vs. B...
APK
P.S.=> There you go, "problem solved" & as in multivariable calculus, there is usually a range of possible solutions to any problem... you have 2 above, take your pick, but again: I feel the first one, A above, is more overall "optimal"... apk
Why are you feeding this troll? He's smart, you're dumb. He's right, you're wrong. There is no middle ground, just a lot of smug. There are plenty of us that use Linux exclusively that ignore trolls like this, they're everywhere, using the "best" OS, whatever that may be. I'm sure Omni is quite the hit at parties- Leave him alone, stay off his lawn (OS), and eventually he'll go back inside.
Stallman, is that you?
I use Linux for Multiple Desktop Tools.
Let see if I understand you correctly: You're saying OS X is not Unix because it doesn't use X11 by default. X11 is the most common GUI for Unix. It is not the default UI. The default UI is a shell. Also X11 run on VMS and Cygwin which are not Unix. So OS X not running X11 by default does not mean it is not Unix.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
I'm not saying OS X is not UNIX. I'm saying it's not typical UNIX, and it's not generally marketed as UNIX. The fact that OS X has a UNIX kernel in it only gets mentioned among tech geeks. Nobody else cares that it has UNIX inside.
Program Intellivision!
The only thing that separates OS X from other Unix is that it does not run X11 by default as the GUI. Back in the early days of my Unix experience in college, I didn't use X11. The majority of us had to make do with a shell. To me X11 == Unix is stretching the definition. X11 is a GUI. It just happens to be the most common one used by Unix and other Unix-like OSes. It does not define Unix.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
The vast majority Mac users I know that aren't engineers never open Terminal.app and never see the UNIX. If you mentioned "tar" or "pipes" they'd have no clue what you're talking about. They don't even call directories directories. They call them folders. None of them has ever set up a .cshrc or .profile, and think "bash" is a verb, "sh" is something the librarian says to you when you're being too loud, "fork" is just something you eat with and if you have any aliases you're up to no good.
I'd say that's a pretty big separation between the OS X experience and the UNIX experience, shell, X11 or otherwise.
Program Intellivision!
And to be clear, I'm also not saying X11 == UNIX. But, when it comes to UNIX GUI environments, it's the de facto standard and to argue otherwise is just silly. If you go Google screen shots of the "UNIX version" and "Mac OS X version" of software available on both platforms, most often you'll see an X11 screen shot for UNIX and the OS X GUI for the OS X version. (Not always--GIMP runs in X11.app.)
This is about practicalities, not technicalities. Practically, OS X is something rather different from UNIX. Practically, "GUI on UNIX" means X11.
Program Intellivision!
2-3 years ago, I had tried out most of the virtual window software. Settled on Deskspace (http://www.otakusoftware.com/deskspace/) and have stuck to it. Works great, allows me to segregate by apps and by hotkey. If you have not tried it out, do give it a spin.
Will someone please tell me that using Linux doesn't necessarily mean you have to act like an asshole? Or maybe there something about gnome or kde that requires it or something?
Using Linux doesn't necessarily mean you have to act like an asshole. And Gnome or KDE does not require it.
Though, it gives you that warm feeling in the stomach and that asshole-like grin if you listen to the problems from Windows-Users.
I really don't want people to learn that you really shouldn't ask Linux users for any computer advice because it's more likely you're going to hear about their ideological stance than anything actually useful.
So, what did you expect if you ask people on the internet about something? Assuming that everyone on the internet is just there to help you and is not an asshole/troll is a very bold assumption.
Your analogy stinks. I would certainly drive a Ferrari if it was given to me for free.
Unjustified moddowns of apk's posts again? Come on trolls.
Yet more unjustified mod downs of apk's posts? U fail trolls.