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Technology Makes It Harder To Save Money

Hugh Pickens writes "LiveScience reports that a survey conducted for the American Institute of CPAs reveals that while more than half of U.S. adults believe technology has made it easier to spend money, just three percent think it has made it easier to save. The research found that Americans who subscribe to digital services spend an average of $166 each month for cable TV, home Internet access, mobile phone service and digital subscriptions, such as satellite radio and streaming video — the equivalent of 17 percent of their monthly rent or mortgage payment. Those who download songs, apps and other products spend an additional $38 per month. 'Our gadgets and connections can bring benefits like mobility and efficiency,' says Jordan Amin. 'But they can also bring financial challenges, like taking money that could go to savings, for instance, or contributing to credit card debt.' If facing a financial crunch, Americans would rather change what they eat than give up their cell phones, downloads or digital TV services. Asked to choose the one action they would most likely take in tight time, 41 percent said they would cut back on eating out, 20 percent said they would cut off cable TV, 8 percent said they would end cell phone service and 8 percent said they would stop downloading songs and digital products."

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  1. you can save a ton of $ by Presto+Vivace · · Score: 5, Insightful

    by giving up TV. With internet access and a mobile phone, you really don't need TV.

    1. Re:you can save a ton of $ by internerdj · · Score: 2

      Particularly when you lose your bundle discounts and you get fees tacked on for having internet service without the company's primary service installed(cable or phone)...

    2. Re:you can save a ton of $ by iPaul · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It depends on where you live. $200 a month is 2,400 a year. When it's 1-2% of your income, it probably doesn't matter. So, you do a little less saving. When it's more like 10%, then it's a problem because you greatly reduce your ability to save.

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    3. Re:you can save a ton of $ by Presto+Vivace · · Score: 2

      true enough. If they ever stream sports from their web sites it is all over for cable tv. Sports is the only thing worth watching, unless like me you don't care about sports.

    4. Re:you can save a ton of $ by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      How is giving up TV supposed to save any money? Giving up cable, sure, but all I spend to watch TV is the electric bill and ISP bill (my computer uses the TV as a monitor).

      And a mobile phone? I hate watching tiny screens, my TV is forty two inches and it's still too small. And most people have data caps on their phones.

      No, technology isn't an impediment to saving, lack of discipline is the impediment to saving.

    5. Re:you can save a ton of $ by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 5, Funny

      Two bits = a quarter
      There are four quarters in a dollar
      2*4*15=120

      120 bits of bandwidth

    6. Re:you can save a ton of $ by kryliss · · Score: 2

      "lack of discipline is the impediment to saving."

      This has always been the truth.

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    7. Re:you can save a ton of $ by __aaeihw9960 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, technology isn't an impediment to saving, lack of discipline is the impediment to saving.

      Ex-fucking-actly. There could be hookers and coke for sale on every street corner I pass, but my own decisions will dictate whether I buy them or not.

      It's just like when people talk about certain colleges as party schools. YES, there is drinking in college. YES, most colleges do have bars near them. NO, no one is going to pour it down your throat. Make good choices, and that 'party school' just becomes 'school'. Make good choices, and 'technology makes it harder to save' becomes 'hey, look, my savings account isn't empty because I'm not an idiot.'

    8. Re:you can save a ton of $ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Where I'm from, giving up the basic cable package ($60 a month) is not a "ton" of $.

      Sure it is. Just figure it all in pennies. $60 a month = 6,000 pennies. 1 US penny is 2.5 grams. 6,000 pennies is 150,000 grams. That is approximately 330 lbs. In approximately 6 months you save 1 US ton (short ton) of money. How is that not a ton?

    9. Re:you can save a ton of $ by Iniamyen · · Score: 2

      Each camp obviously has so many idiots in it, I'm amazed that I can successfully walk the line between being a nerd and enjoying sports, too. Bravo, me.

    10. Re:you can save a ton of $ by Reality+Master+301 · · Score: 2

      Sweden, student discount, although the approximately same price is possible for non-students if your house / building has access to an open network, and the price is only slightly higher (~20-25$) for 100/100. I'd change ISP in a heartbeat, but I don't have any other option with faster upload, plus the only other option I have goes through POTS (vdsl2) and requires you to _rent_ the modem and still isn't any faster, only more expensive.

    11. Re:you can save a ton of $ by Khashishi · · Score: 2

      Yeah, but your doctor's bill will trump what you've saved in food costs.

    12. Re:you can save a ton of $ by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

      Enough to stream hulu and youtube. 1000k. Also downloads movies/shows faster than I watch them (my HDD is full).

      I'm guessing that pretty much none of that is good HD content? Not 1080p or 1080i

      That's my problem with only internet and streaming....I didn't layout a decent bit of cash for a 59" plasma last year...to watch content that wouldn't use the clarity and fidelity of the instrument itself....

      Kinda why I don't buy mp3's of music online....I have too good a stereo at home not to buy in best format I can (generally CD)....and then, rip to lower lossy files for environments that are poor ones (iPod at gym, ipod on bike...etc).

      Do that many people just now watch tv/movies on little computer monitors, rather than have a nice, large TV or two in the house?

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    13. Re:you can save a ton of $ by Whorhay · · Score: 2

      It's hard to qualify anything from McD's a food. I wonder though if 6 of their cheapo burgers actually meets the 2k callories a day recommendation.

      I did put all my spending into a spreadsheet a few years back and realized I was spending around $400 a month on frivolous eating out. That is I was eating out for lunch almost everyday and I wasn't eating on the cheap. I typically only eat from fast food places when I'm on a road trip and just need something fast. Otherwise I'd much rather sit down and actually be waited on.

      Anyways the wife and I decided we needed to start saving money. So I cut back on eating out and packed a lunch 4/5 days a week. We killed the satellite TV. We scaled back our internet service since we didn't have three gamers eating up the serives all the time anymore. We canceled all the extras on the land line phone service and bought a cheapo answering machine. I think the only thing we didn't change was the cellphone plan which was already a cheapo no-text no-data plan for one phone that she carries and uses to make long distance calls. Two years later and now we have reduced our debts and hold more than 8 months of net earnings in the bank.

    14. Re:you can save a ton of $ by drawfour · · Score: 4, Informative

      Your math is off a bit. 6000 pennies is 15,000 grams, not 150,000 grams. So your 330 pounds is more like 33 pounds, which means that it takes around 60 months, or five years to save a "ton" of money.

    15. Re:you can save a ton of $ by EzInKy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So $24,000 a decade not counting the interest/dividends it could have been earning? Doesn't sound like chump change to me.

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    16. Re:you can save a ton of $ by WastedMeat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, it sounds a lot like the cost of a college education after about 18 years. I guess people have their priorities though.

    17. Re:you can save a ton of $ by justthinkit · · Score: 2
      There are too many odd remarks in this post to ignore.

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      (1) Posting in chat forums is just soap opera for men. Sports is more like reality TV, or documentary movies -- both of which I like as well.

      (2) Pretty pointless except for how it makes us feel. When we watch something inspiring, we get inspired. Inspired is good. You should try it some time.

      (3) ...and worth the $20*12 differential between straight Internet and triple play packaging for those of us that watch more first run sports than rerun movies/TV series.

      (4) There are some sports on the broadcast channels but plenty more on non-broadcast channels. Next you will be saying that all we really need to watch is Fox & Disney.

      (5) You can also download many of the games off bittorent if you live under a rock. Otherwise you will already know the result of the game, reducing the enjoyment in watching it. How many movies are almost completely unwatchable once you know the outcome? Keyser Soze, I'm looking at you.

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  2. america by nimbius · · Score: 4, Funny

    where a $200 cellphone with a multi-year contract of indentured servitude and mandatory upgrades is an essential item
    but a meal that costs over $7 and doesnt come with a free cola is a sure sign of the imminent collapse of western civilization at the hands of a communist marxist kenyan muslim.

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    1. Re:america by Ferzerp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think the point is that everyone recognizes that there are cheaper alternatives to eating out all the time. You can eat out for $20/meal (not talking fast food), and it's really, really convenient. Do that 3 times a week (or more), and you're spending at least $240/month eating out.

      We recognize that the benefit from that $240 (12 meals that we could make for maybe $40 ourselves, but it would be less convenient) is much, much less than the entertainment value of cable, or internet.

      I can always make my own meals by buying ingredients and save a huge amount of money (I eat out a lot), but I can't make my own cable service or cell phone service.

      It isn't trading food when the subject is eating out. It's trading convenience. You still eat... you just have to prepare it yourself.

    2. Re:america by Gr8Apes · · Score: 2

      I can always make my own meals by buying ingredients and save a huge amount of money (I eat out a lot), but I can't make my own cable service or cell phone service.

      And apparently the cable companies have another successful convert.

      There's this whole method of receiving HDTV that has 15 Mbps streams, 5.1 audio, is not subject to "authorization" from a centralized authorization server nor has limits on whether you can record the stream, edit it, or store it that is also free: OTA. For the rest, you can get a Netlfix, Hulu, or Vudu account or use Redbox or BlockBuster, and you're good to go for a fraction of the cost of cable. Cable has kept jacking their prices up to keep their revenues increasing, so they can keep their shareholders happy, which in turn caused content producers to demand a bigger piece of the broadcasting pie, which has turned into a vicious unsustainable price escalation as far as consumers are concerned.

      The only way it will stop is when enough consumers cut the cable and bail. If you think it cannot happen, it's already happened with landlines, and cable is already losing subscribers as a whole, there are a few major players at this point, the market's saturated, and the only "growth" a provider can generate is through a combination of cannibalizing another providers subscribers and/or raising rates. Given that people are already bailing on cable, going with OTA and/or streaming options, you'll note that all of a sudden we're facing ridiculously low caps on data per month to the point where even streaming a few Netflix HD movies starts seriously putting you near your cap.

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  3. Bundles and termination fees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "41 percent said they would cut back on eating out, 20 percent said they would cut off cable TV, 8 percent said they would end cell phone service and 8 percent said they would stop downloading songs and digital products."
    If I cut my TV service my phone bill goes up, if I cut my phone my TV bill goes up. If I cut either I have to pay a fee to terminate the contract. Of course I'm going to cut back on eating out.

    1. Re:Bundles and termination fees by King_TJ · · Score: 2

      Very true! But I've never been one to accept those bundles in the first place. Our local cable company (Charter) is constantly trying to market bundled internet/TV/phone in a "Triple Play" package -- but reading the fine print, one realizes it's not possible to select one of the faster broadband internet speeds with that bundle. As soon as you try, they won't give you the special pricing anymore and you have to order the services separately (at regular prices). AT&T wants to bundle your services together with U-Verse as well, but again, it's not a good value anyway. Rather than pay what comes out to $24.95 per month for their VoIP telephone bundled with U-Verse, I can pay under $19 per month to PhonePower for their stand-alone VoIP service (which is great because they even have an iPhone app and a Mac OS X or Windows app which allows making VoIP calls through the service from anywhere you have a wifi connection).

      Service contracts with early termination penalties are another matter, and often, there's really no economical way around them if you want the services in the first place. (I've tried the cellphones from companies like Cricket that have no contract, but the phones they let you pick from are sub-standard, and their networks are proprietary enough so other handsets can't physically work on their network. Pay as you go on the big name cell networks is more expensive to use than a contract deal too in every case I've seen, unless you're assuming you'll need to shut service off in less than a year.)

      But regardless of all of this? Yeah, if it came down to it, I'd rather just skip eating out and find cheaper food at the store than shut off one of these communications services. Why's that so shocking to people? I'm not saying I'd rather starve than turn off my phone. I'm just thinking I get more value out of things like my internet connection or cellphone than I do out of letting someone prepare a meal for me that I select off a list.

  4. ...not quite it... by raydobbs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People are willing to change what they eat because their cell phones plans have steep early termination fees if you drop your level of service - same with your digital television or broadband connection. Temporarily changing your dietary desires is much more simple - not a sign of technology addiction, more a sign of service charge and penalty avoidance.

    1. Re:...not quite it... by zero0ne · · Score: 3, Informative

      Cutting out a single night out at a restaurant will almost always end up covering the cost of that month's cell phone bill.

    2. Re:...not quite it... by wmbetts · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you have kids you either spend $25 to $50 for a babysitter, gas at over $4 a gallon, and the price of the meal. If you don't use a babysitter you then pay the same or more for the food your kids will eat. I can't goto a movie for under $70 any more. I'm not complaining about it, because it's just a fact of life. I wanted to have a wife and kids and I knew that it would be costly. I'd rather spend the money on cable tv and internet as our primary forms of entertainment. Sure, it sounds expensive when you hear $200 a month for the cable and internet bill, but in reality it's the cheaper form of entertainment for a family. I also have 2 WoW accounts (currently the only game we play) for my wife and myself. Raiding together or pvping in a bg or arena to us is a lot more fun than going out all the time. It's also a lot cheaper and gives us something we can always do together as a couple.

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  5. Change what you eat? by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Good. Humans don't need meat every day anyway.

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    1. Re:Change what you eat? by Gordonjcp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And all water is risky, and all vegetables are risky, and all air is risky...

      You can find a study that will make any point you want. There are undeniable ecological benefits in only eating things produced near where you live. For much of the world, that includes "unhealthy" carbohydratey potatoes, and "unhealthy" proteiny red meat. It's a bit of a bummer, but it still makes more sense than shipping soya beans half-way round the world only to throw most of them out processing them into something humans can just about digest.

  6. Who needs all that stuff? by arcite · · Score: 2

    Just get a decent connection for say $50 and bittorrent the rest. =)

  7. No big secrets here by husker_man · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Big thing is to first know where you are spending money, and then categorize your expenses into what is a can't-do without, must have, nice to have, and frivolous buckets. You need to put about 10% of your income into a long-term retirement fund, and have (ideally) six months of living expenses in a money-market or savings account (Must have). You need to put a certain amount of money aside each month for certain necessities (housing, required food, loan payments) (can't do without (unless you're living in your parent's basement)). Most of the rest of it tends to be the nice-to-have (like cell phones, phone lines, new clothes, eating out).

    I would agree that cable internet is indispensable to me for work purposes, and would be one of the last things that I would cut back on in the event of a major problem (like losing a job).

    I pay about $225 for phone service, cell phone service, and satellite service, with another $50 for cable internet (total of $275). I've looked at getting rid of the home line and going strictly cell phone, but my spousal overlord unit isn't ready to do that yet, and with three teenagers in the house, I expect my telephone costs to be going up here until they move out of the house.

  8. DUH!!!!!!! by rjejr · · Score: 2

    I remember starting grad school 20 years ago spending $1,400 on a little 1 piece Compaq Presario and thinking - "Good thing for credit cards or nobody could buy a computer." And then I realized - there will always be "the next big thing' in technology for people to spend money on. Bigger tvs. Even bigger tvs. Flat screen tvs. 3D tvs. Sony Walkmans, mp3 players, iPods, iPads, notebooks, Netbooks, cell phones, smart phones, dial-up, broadband. I'm not saying it's all for the worse, nor am I putting on my tinfoil hat, but I'm pretty sure theirs a good correlation between the explosion of consumer electronics and the explosion of credit card debt.

  9. Maybe a good thing by Baloroth · · Score: 2

    This might actually help solve the obesity problem. If American's can't afford to eat out because they are spending too much money on tech, maybe they will eat healthier homemade food. One can hope.

    Oh, and technology doesn't make it more "difficult" to save money, it just makes it easier to spend a lot of money. I can save my money just as well with technology as after. More, actually, since technology gives you lots of cheap or free entertainment, which is less money spent in bars or going out to movies or on gas.

    Also helps that I don't own a smartphone or iPad. Don't need one, either. I do have a wifi-equiped MP3 player: no monthly contract, and works for 90% of the things I would need a smartphone for. A messenger phone works for the rest.

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  10. Re:Thats funny.... by Zico · · Score: 2

    Why even save? It's the responsible ones the fed hurts; interest rates should be upwards of 20% instead of the bullshit we have now.

  11. I love seeing this by __aaeihw9960 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Because it means that those of us 'young folks' (less than 30) in the USA who can actually plan their finances stand to be KINGS and QUEENS in the future. My wife and I live very, very comfortably on what my friends would call a meager pittance (we both work in education, thank you). Our stuff isn't as nice as what they have, but we also don't have the crushing burden of debt looming in our future. We may not have a MONDO flat screen, but we do have a high speed internet connection and access to as many movies and television shows as we need. We may not have a $70k car, but what we do have is reliable and gets 35-40 mpg. Our house might not be a McMansion, but our small house does sit on 67 acres of woodland. . . .

    We're saving for a college fund for children we don't have yet, saving for early retirement and generally living the life of leisure.

    Why am I saying all of this? Because, not all Americans are idiots. Most that I know are kind of stupid, but really not that bad.

    And some, like my wife and myself, are actually quite bright. Not meaning to brag, just meaning to point out that people like us exist.

  12. People spend money by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People spend money
    Not technology

  13. Not always true by boristdog · · Score: 5, Funny

    Because of the Internet, I stopped paying for porn years ago.

  14. Misleading summary by wealthychef · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Statistics, damn lies... 41 percent sounds like a lot more than 8 percent, making it sound like people will choose music downloads over food, but the truth is most people don't download music.

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  15. Saving money is like Losing weight by Overzeetop · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It matters less what you are doing with the flow of your metric, and more on your net balance.

    Whether I spend $300/mo on digital services or buy a bigger house than I need, or a nicer car than is necessary for my requirements, it's the same dollar at the end of the day. Americans are gaining weight because of easy access to high-calorie food that is made to be appealing through advertising and instant sensory gratification. Americans are not saving because our entire economy is based on spending as much as possible on things which are made to be appealing through advertising and instant sensory gratification.

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  16. Tools for Saving Do Not Equate to Saving by dgrotto · · Score: 2

    I also view tech saving tools as a hindrance to saving. I've tried a lot: Quicken, Money, Mint, the venerable Pear Budget, etc. All tools that allow you to grok where your money is going, but provide little incentive or mechanisms to curb spending. We collect all this great data and then say "huh..." and shrug our shoulders.

    My parents always had a drawer in the clothes dresser that had the "house money" in it for the month. Once that cash was depleted, there was no more money for the house, period. This was real incentive to spend wisely and to see how much money was left. If there is a technology that can easily enable this "cash envelope" system, I am not aware of it.

  17. Technology saves money by michaelmalak · · Score: 2

    Technology saves on:

    • Landline
    • Newspaper subscription
    • Magazine subscriptions
    • DVD purchases (buy used on Amazon.com)
    • Book purchases (buy used on Amazon.com)
    • Music purchases (99 cents per song is a third of the inflation-adjusted price of a 45 RPM in the 1970's)
    • Percentage off the price of anything (sort by price on shopping.google.com)
  18. Re:Some day in the future people will look back... by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2

    This requires a future, of course, where society is advanced enough to grant new rights

    Which is not where we are going. We are busy killing existing rights, rendering them useless, as well as deploying increasingly many computer systems whose owners need the permission of someone else just to run a program. The next generation will indeed be shocked by today's computer climate:

    • You mean you could use a computer without having to pay for a monthly service plan?
    • You did not need to present photo ID to get a computer? You did not have to use your legal name online?
    • You actually owned your computer? You did not just own a terminal for connecting to computers owned by the computation companies?
    • You were allowed to copy files without first getting permission from the copyright control and enforcement agency?
    • You were allowed to run your own email server, without getting a license?
    • People were outraged when books were removed from their computers without their permission?
    • You were allowed to write and run your own software without having to pay a year programming fee?
    • Hackers won round #1 with the PC, and round #2 with the Internet. Hackers are losing round #3, as governments and corporations focus increasing effort and money on taking back control of computers and computer networks. There is just too much profit to be had from it.

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  19. Consumerism is where the market by Burz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    constantly tries to invent ways for people to spend more, and rapid technical innovation is at the core of that process. You have to outstrip not only the ability of people to simplify their lives, but outdo the very desire to do so.

  20. Attitude by KalvinB · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Really what has to happen is that people have to decide they aren't going to sign contracts for luxuries. My income has fluctuated so wildly over the last several years that I absolutely will not sign a contract for a luxury. Sure I can afford a $70 a month phone now, but what about 1 year from now? So I go with cheaper, non-contractual alternatives. I pay $37 a month for Virgin Mobile but I can drop it any time and go with a cheaper alternative (TracFone) or nothing at all. For awhile I dropped Netflix, stopped watering my backyard, stuck with TracFone, etc to minimize my monthly expenses.

    Contracts lock you into a particular life style that you may not continue to be able to afford. You need to be able to cancel services as quickly as you can lose a job.

    People can have nice things even without being rich, but it's the effort to have all the nice things all at once that keeps people in debt and poor. Once the house is paid off, that's $1200 a month I'll have for other nice things. In the meantime, the nice thing I have is a nice house.