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US ISPs Delay Rollout of "Six Strikes" Copyright Enforcement Framework

zacharye writes with an excerpt from BGR: "The new 'six strikes' anti-piracy policy soon to be implemented by a number of major Internet service providers in the United States will reportedly stumble out of the gate. The policy, which is set to be adopted by Comcast, Cablevision, Verizon, Time Warner Cable, and other ISPs, will see action taken against users caught downloading pirated files in six steps, ultimately resulting in bandwidth throttling or even service suspensions. The system responsible for managing the new policy may not be ready on schedule, however, and the targeted launch date of July 12th may slip back as a result..."

216 comments

  1. Thanks for reminding me... by Cornwallis · · Score: 4, Informative

    why I'm not going to switch our company Internet access to Comcast.

    1. Re:Thanks for reminding me... by AngryDeuce · · Score: 4, Informative

      I was wondering why I stayed with Charter recently, until I realized that I had no fucking choice unless I wanted to downgrade to shitty 7 meg DSL.

      These guys better be hoping and praying (and dumping a metric shit-ton of money on our reps) that they never lose their local monopolies, because once they open up the lines like they did with long distance telephone service in the 90's they're going to see their enormous profits fucking evaporate overnight as customers give these guys the finger and go with someone that isn't gouging the fuck out of them.

    2. Re:Thanks for reminding me... by neokushan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You don't have to be affected by someone's ideals in order to be against them. I wouldn't make friends with someone who went out to beat up people of a certain skin colour, even though I'm not liable to be one of his "targets".
      Why should it be any different for companies?

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    3. Re:Thanks for reminding me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Calling this a hate crime is a bit much. Maybe we need a new Godwin's law. Mind you I don't like this either, but an ISP stopping attempting to curtail illegal activity is different from a racist beating up a person of color.

    4. Re:Thanks for reminding me... by metalgamer84 · · Score: 1

      Same problem I'm in, I'm stuck with Comcast as the only cable Internet provider. My only other option is CenturyLink(Qwest) DSL at 7Mb.

    5. Re:Thanks for reminding me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why, because Comcast is helping to pave the way for encrypted file sharing over das internet?

    6. Re:Thanks for reminding me... by lymond01 · · Score: 2

      because once they open up the lines...they're going to see their enormous profits fucking evaporate overnight as customers give these guys the finger and go with someone that isn't gouging the fuck out of them.

      Here's how I see that going:

      New ISP: Heya Charter, how much you charging for Internet in this area?
      Charter: An arm and a leg.
      New ISP: Hmm. We don't have your speeds, so how about WE charge an arm and a leg. You can raise your prices, say add a nose and eyeball, and still advertise you're faster.
      Charter: Sounds good.

    7. Re:Thanks for reminding me... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I was wondering why I stayed with Charter recently, until I realized that I had no fucking choice unless I wanted to downgrade to shitty 7 meg DSL.

      Well, your circumstances may be different than mine: you may have a large family with each member using two devices and/or services at the same time, but I'm on 6 meg DSL and watch YouTube while listening to KSHE on one PC while the the notebook is torrenting Linux distros and stuff, and I never get a stutter out of any of it. If your circumstances are similar to mine, you might not have been getting 7 megs; if your phone lines are old or connections corroded, your throughput is going to be BAD. When I first got DSL the modem couldn't even talk to the ISP because of the 40 year old phone lines (which I've replaced, of course).

    8. Re:Thanks for reminding me... by antdude · · Score: 1

      Dude, that's not bad. For me, it is either dial-up (3 KB/sec) or satellite. :(

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    9. Re:Thanks for reminding me... by subanark · · Score: 1

      Stuck with Time Warner here
      [rage]
      I don't have internet at home for 4 days now due to some service tech accidently disconnecting me along with the person who stopped their service. When I called them up, they scheduled me an appointment in 6 days to have this resolved (well the first 2 times they said they would get someone over there asap). After enough calls I did managed to get moved up a couple of days due to a cancellation. Their excuse: they were subcontracting their techs.
      [/rage]

    10. Re:Thanks for reminding me... by Shadow99_1 · · Score: 1

      Could be worse, I'm stuck on Time Warner Cable because my only option is Verizon 3 Mb dsl...

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    11. Re:Thanks for reminding me... by wmbetts · · Score: 1

      CenturyLink dsl kicks ass where I live and it's a lot faster than 7Mbps. The fastest it goes here is 40Mbps.

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    12. Re:Thanks for reminding me... by TheQuantumShift · · Score: 1

      Even if they do "open the lines", they still own the lines. They'll still fear accountability and still mandate throttling/packet inspection.

      The only way to get around this is if these new players lay their own lines or come up with a wifi/sat service that actually works. But then those still need to connect to backbones owned by someone else. And eventually the media corporations will lobby hard enough to get all their dirty work done upstream.

      As for competition and price gouging, just look at the current cell providers to see where it's all going. Contracts, high monthly rates, fees out the wazoo and being nickel and dimed to death for every little bit that traverses their network. Not concerned? Two words for you: "Canadian Data."

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    13. Re:Thanks for reminding me... by metalgamer84 · · Score: 1

      Yes, they do have 40 Mb service in some areas, the fastest they offer to my residence is 7 Mb down/ 896 Kb up. With Comcast I'm showing 25 Mb down/ 4 Mb up via Speedtest.

    14. Re:Thanks for reminding me... by wmbetts · · Score: 1

      I'd still rather have CenturyLink service at 7Mbps than comcast. I can do whatever I want (no incoming or outgoing port restrictions) with CenturyLink and get a static ip on a regular home account.

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    15. Re:Thanks for reminding me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is it not 3 strikes like all the countries they they blackmailed to implementing something similar. Always the hypocrite.

    16. Re:Thanks for reminding me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about a "person of color" beating up a white person? Racism goes both ways, and there is plenty of black on white hate crime. To believe otherwise is to be just as bad as Hitler.

    17. Re:Thanks for reminding me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF does this have to do with the point that neokushan was making? You're a fucking idiot.

    18. Re:Thanks for reminding me... by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      but an ISP stopping attempting to curtail illegal activity

      That is only their intent. However, given the small amount of (bogus) evidence these people provide to "prove" someone is a pirate, innocent people will be affected. Worst of all? There is no court case. Nothing.

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    19. Re:Thanks for reminding me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it's not generally illegal, it's a tort at best. And it's not something that is the place of the ISP to enforce without a court order anyways. I looked at the list of ISPs and most of them are divisions of corps that also create media, seems to me to be a conflict of interest.

      What's more, the customer is paying for the service, not the parties complaining about copyright infringement, therefore, without a court order there should be no changes made to the service as it's not the job of the ISP to make that decision.

      Unless of course the ISP then wants to be responsible for any and all kiddie porn and such that gets sent over the wire as well. They can't and shouldn't have it both ways, either they're responsible for what goes over their wires or their not, none of this half assed bullshit.

    20. Re:Thanks for reminding me... by GofG · · Score: 1

      Whoosh :)

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    21. Re:Thanks for reminding me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously. I've got 10Mb although I had 1.5Mb. I've gone from 1.5Mb to 3-5Mb (forget which) to 10Mb (fiber) to 3-5Mb to 1.5Mb (downgraded) back to 10Mb. At no time would I EVER have accepted doing business with a Cable ISP provider like Comcast. It just isn't worth it. CenturyLink (Qwest) DSL is SOOOOOO much better.

      I actually get the speed I pay for and my connection isn't going up when the download speed tests are run. My connection actually gets what I'm suppose to get all the time with random sites doing random stuff. Even during prime time.

      Yes- I do stream HD content. Not a problem. I download ISOs and don't have to worry about bandwidth limits (although supposedly this is being implemented, but it still beats Comcast and other cable providers)

  2. Consumer friendly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    “The dates mentioned in the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) are not hard deadlines but were intended to keep us on track to have the Copyright Alert System up and running as quickly as possible and in the most consumer friendly manner possible,” a spokesperson told us.

    “We do not intend to launch until we are confident that the program is consumer friendly and able to be implemented in a manner consistent with all of the goals of the MOU. We expect our implementation to begin later this year.”

    The CCI, however, ensured TorrentFreak that none of the ISPs has plans to terminate the accounts of subscribers. Temporary disconnections remain as one of the possible punishments. Which measures the various ISPs will choose remains a mystery for now. We’ll publish more on this and other details of the scheme in the near future.

    Temporary disconnections? Is one required to pay for the disconnected service. How is this consumer friendly?

    1. Re:Consumer friendly? by game+kid · · Score: 1

      I guess they mean "friendly" as in "those two were getting friendly last night" or "that movie exec thought copyright infringement was "content theft" and also had an annoying boner, so he got friendly with everyone's internet traffic in the hopes he could catch one of his films' sex scenes".

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  3. Send Flowers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    *plays the world's tiniest violin*

  4. A great solution for oversubscribed ISPs by GeneralTurgidson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Throttle everyone on the basis of piracy! No need for network expansions! The shareholders will go wild!

    1. Re:A great solution for oversubscribed ISPs by Enry · · Score: 1

      Then ISPs shouldn't be advertising unlimited Internet service.

    2. Re:A great solution for oversubscribed ISPs by AngryDeuce · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wasn't the bulk of the fiber backbone they all plug into paid for by taxpayers in the 90's during the Dot Com bubble? Maybe the people should be charging them similar fees for the bandwidth running along those pipes that they charge their end users...

    3. Re:A great solution for oversubscribed ISPs by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      herpa derp! because fiber optics are basically free to run over long distances right?

      Last year, Comcast reported "$14.3 billion in revenue in the quarter that ended in October, a 51 percent increase over the same period last year. Net income rose 4.7 percent to $908 million and operating income rose 35 percent to $2.6 billion, driven by 261,000 new high-speed internet subscribers."

      So those "fiber optics" are not only free, but happen to be putting a whole shitload of money into Comcast's pockets. The way I read it, when something puts money in your pocket, it's better than "free".

      So I'm guessing that derp derp! we don't need to have any bake sales for Comcast just yet.

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    4. Re:A great solution for oversubscribed ISPs by clonehappy · · Score: 0

      Anytime anyone ever uses "herp" or "derp" or any derivative thereof in their comments, they immediately get ignored by me. That childish crap should stay on Fark or Reddit or wherever the hell it originated. If you don't have something intelligent to add to the discussion, then please refrain from posting here.

      It doesn't help that anyone who ever uses these terms are only using them to insult someone who made a valid point, so even though it is a probably a 13-year old kid who actually thinks he's being humorous (note to AC, it's not even remotely funny now, nor was it when it first started happening on other sites) because insults are the only humor mechanism a stupid child can really use effectively.

    5. Re:A great solution for oversubscribed ISPs by ZorinLynx · · Score: 2

      Well, herp a derp, feel free to ignore me. :)

      I find the terms amusing. Also Derpy Hooves is best pony.

    6. Re:A great solution for oversubscribed ISPs by TemplePilot · · Score: 0

      @clonehappy, so you're a curmudgeon & you have no life. Big whoop. Meanwhiles the rest of the herpy derpy world continues to evolve our online language and textual lingoisms while you remain in the dismal ostritch hole you've placed your noggin into. Sucks to be you. --- and back to our discussion of the day --- : Six Strikes Copyright Enforcement is Bad M'kay --- Big Content needs to --- Grow Up & Get with the future or forever hold your silence. The interwebs belongs to the people not the corporate oligopoly capice.

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    7. Re:A great solution for oversubscribed ISPs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I weep for the future... :)

    8. Re:A great solution for oversubscribed ISPs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol ur so rite m8
      +1
      lmao

    9. Re:A great solution for oversubscribed ISPs by gorzek · · Score: 1

      Grow a sense of humor, herp derp. What's wrong with using a bit of current slang? Do you take no joy in life? Shall we all speak as though we live in Shakespeare's time? Yea, verily.

      Slashdot has a lot of humorless wankers these days.

    10. Re:A great solution for oversubscribed ISPs by chrish · · Score: 1

      "Unlimited" was redefined to mean "always connected" quite some time ago, since dial-up was usually limited to some set number of hours per day or month.

      Fucking marketing.

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    11. Re:A great solution for oversubscribed ISPs by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      TemplePilot, you don't know if clonehappy is a curmudgeon and has no life, or if he just thinks your post sounds like the ramblings of an adolescent fool. You do realise that you're liable to get modded flamebait for "you're a curmudgeon & you have no life" and overrated for "Big whoop".

      Yes, language evolves, but "herpy derpy" is a de-evolution, not evolution, and IS AN INSULT: "Describes a person who usually adds retarted remarks or statements to a conversation."

      If you're going to call someone a fucking retard, call him a fucking retard. Intelligent people ignore people who sound like fucking retards, and guess what? Your posts sound incredibly retarded. How you speak is often as important as what you say.

      I hope you have excellent karma, because you beg to be modded down. Since you have yet to have a single comment modded +5 you might want to think about your use of language before all your posts start at zero.

      Hope I've been of help, kid.

    12. Re:A great solution for oversubscribed ISPs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and yet you took the time to respond to the post about Herp and Derp with a post that included "Herp" and or "Derp" how interesting that you felt that we all needed to know that you dont like those words.

      In other news...

    13. Re:A great solution for oversubscribed ISPs by Mushukyou · · Score: 0

      Derp?

    14. Re:A great solution for oversubscribed ISPs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you mean Ditzy Doo?

      Also, I'm so glad the forums I frequent banned all the bronies ages ago. Now if only Slashdot would do the same.

    15. Re:A great solution for oversubscribed ISPs by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      No.

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    16. Re:A great solution for oversubscribed ISPs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Technically it is an evolution. To de-evolve, one would have to regress to a previous state. I am unaware of a previous state of the English language which contains any permutation or variation of the words herp and derp. Any change is evolution. Evolution doesn't necessarily have to improve something, just change it.

    17. Re:A great solution for oversubscribed ISPs by ZorinLynx · · Score: 1

      I've actually not run into any other bronies here on Slashdot, so you should be okay.

      In any case, I'm certainly glad I'm not on any forums that ban people just for liking a cartoon.

    18. Re:A great solution for oversubscribed ISPs by Chase+Husky · · Score: 1

      Unlike most slang, mindlessly parroting that phrase only makes one sound like a prattling moron.

  5. Users "caught" downloading? by AngryDeuce · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't they mean users "accused" of downloading? As it seems to me, all that is required is an accusation by some asshole MAFIAA goon. It's not like they actually prove their accusations or anything.

    1. Re:Users "caught" downloading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, you're one of those people who think they are invisible online.

    2. Re:Users "caught" downloading? by uniquename72 · · Score: 2

      Don't they mean users "accused" of downloading? As it seems to me, all that is required is an accusation by some asshole MAFIAA goon. It's not like they actually prove their accusations or anything.

      Agreed. I've gotten exactly ONE infringement notice from my ISP (Cox Cable), and it was for a TV show I've never pirated.

      I see 2 problems with the 6-strike policy:
      1) There's no incentive for an ISP to do this -- it will lose them paying customers without benefit.
      2) Since Cox has a monopoly on fast internet in my area and I require it to do my job, they'd be looking at a lawsuit if they improperly cut off my service based on untrue accusations.

      Once the lawsuits start flowing, the policy will be out the window.

    3. Re:Users "caught" downloading? by KhabaLox · · Score: 1

      I see 2 problems with the 6-strike policy:
      1) There's no incentive for an ISP to do this -- it will lose them paying customers without benefit.

      Comcast owns NBC/Universal.

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    4. Re:Users "caught" downloading? by YodasEvilTwin · · Score: 1

      He's one of those people who thinks his IP address and Gmail cookies shouldn't be conflated with real evidence. Roommates and friends have left their computers open around me all the time -- or used to, till I made sure they learned from their mistakes -- and I could easily have torrented something or done anything else questionable and it would be impossible to tell that it was me and not them.

    5. Re:Users "caught" downloading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well they said "caught"... if they can't ever prove it, then it'll be that much harder for them to oppress users mistakenly.

    6. Re:Users "caught" downloading? by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      That would be up to the ISPs. If the ISPs accept the accusations as evidence, then they will be able to oppress users mistakenly.

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    7. Re:Users "caught" downloading? by chrismcb · · Score: 1

      He's one of those people who thinks his IP address and Gmail cookies shouldn't be conflated with real evidence. Roommates and friends have left their computers open around me all the time --

      I'm pretty sure your ISP knows your computer's IP. They don't care (nor should they) that it was your roommate that downloaded the whatever. They aren't accusing you of anything. They are just going to say... This IP is downloading copyright stuff, so this IP is going to be throttled.
      If your roommate is doing it, and you aren't, don't let your roommate use your connection.

  6. Piracy? What Piracy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Forget 3 strikes. Forget 6 strikes. I have a simple 37 step plan for dealing with this widespread phenomenon. Buy my bestseller book and read all about it.

    1. Re:Piracy? What Piracy? by santax · · Score: 1

      I sure hope it's better then the 12-step program I followed last year!

    2. Re:Piracy? What Piracy? by Qzukk · · Score: 2

      I've got one weird tip that will fix all your problems!

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    3. Re:Piracy? What Piracy? by santax · · Score: 1

      Does it involve binoculars? :O

    4. Re:Piracy? What Piracy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you selling bridges invented by a SciFi asshole?

    5. Re:Piracy? What Piracy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd rather just torrent the PDF.

    6. Re:Piracy? What Piracy? by murphtall · · Score: 1

      I've got one large tip that if I put it where i want to, many of my problems will seem much less important than my tip

  7. Bye Bye free Wirless at Starbucks, McDonalds.... by realsilly · · Score: 5, Insightful

    and all of those other things. People will go where they can't be traced as easily and download all that they can, then local establishments will take the hit, and then when all those options are gone, some unsuspecting family will be hit next because I didn't configure their wireless connection to be secured.

    I don't agree with pirating, but I feel this is also just going to backfire.

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  8. Uploading, not downloading. by jlv · · Score: 1

    That link should "users caught uploading" not "users caught downloading".

    1. Re:Uploading, not downloading. by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 1

      That link should "users caught uploading" not "users caught downloading".

      How do Bittorrents fit in, which have an element of both? I'd suspect they'd cast a wide net, and call it an upload.

    2. Re:Uploading, not downloading. by dmacleod808 · · Score: 1

      The MAFIAA monitor bittorrent swarms and are already sending infringing notices, which only reference sharing, not the downloading part... I have stopped using Bittorrent for anything but legal downloads or if I am in a cafe or mcdonalds with wifi, where it cannot be traced back to me.

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  9. Re:awwwww by wed128 · · Score: 2

    I'm sure that none of the content that you're pirating comes from the US...

  10. How will they do it? Flogging a dead horse? by bogaboga · · Score: 5, Informative

    Who are they hoodwinking? Just recently, a US judge ruled that you cannot identify a "pirate" using an IP address. They appear to be preparing to flog a dead horse, right?

    1. Re:How will they do it? Flogging a dead horse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      They are ISPs. They can put it in their TOS that the account holder must ensure that no copyright infringement takes place through the account. Voila, the account holder is now responsible - not to the copyright holder but to the ISP. Lucky coincidence that the ISP also happens to be a media conglomerate.

    2. Re:How will they do it? Flogging a dead horse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that is the big issue, not unlike financial and banking in the same house. There is no getting around that media conglomerate are also the ISP which makes for a terrible future for an open internet.

    3. Re:How will they do it? Flogging a dead horse? by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      six-strikes is not a law. it's an agreement between copyright holders and ISPs. they don't need to prove anything in court.

  11. "Illegal downloading" Again! by ratboy666 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There ain't no such thing.

    Everything on the Internet is Copyrighted (or public domain)...

    There may be illegal sharing. Or making available. Just not downloading.

    Of course the "Industry" wants to plant a meme -- "illegal downloading".

    Since there is no such thing (as illegal downloading(*)), usenet groups have been cut first (because usenet clients do NOT upload as they download). Peer-to-peer systems upload from clients, which is why they got hit.

    MegaUpload? A shot across the bow -- and the service ended up being legal.

    Advice: Turn off sharing in your bittorrent client, unless you are sure that you can distribute the material.

    Or fetch the material from usenet, ftp, or other "one-way" means. Do not post the material on Web Sites, ftp servers or usenet -- do not make it available for download.

    Unless you live somewhere more enlightened, of course (Personal Copy Exemption in Canada, for example).

    (*) Except for specific material, child porn, hate literature, other material, depending on venue.

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    1. Re:"Illegal downloading" Again! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Turn off sharing in your bittorrent client, unless you are sure that you can distribute the material.

      Or fetch the material from usenet, ftp, or other "one-way" means.

      Or torrent anonymously via I2P. The selection isn't as good, but it will be if more people start using it before their sixth strike.

    2. Re:"Illegal downloading" Again! by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Or enable encryption on your torrent. Most torrent clients have an option for encryption, most of the time it's set to 'prefer encryption' but you can set it to 'require encryption'

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    3. Re:"Illegal downloading" Again! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't help when you upload to the *AAs.

    4. Re:"Illegal downloading" Again! by Fnord666 · · Score: 1

      Or enable encryption on your torrent. Most torrent clients have an option for encryption, most of the time it's set to 'prefer encryption' but you can set it to 'require encryption'

      What would that accomplish? The MAFIAA is not capturing your packets and analyzing them to see what you are transferring. They are one of the clients that you are seeding to. Once they download the song and capture your IP address, the start the paperwork. There are solutions to this, but encryption of your data stream is not one of them.

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    5. Re:"Illegal downloading" Again! by Aethelred+Unread · · Score: 0

      And user PeerBlock! I get an email from my ISP telling me that they detected my torrent and refuse to release my info but I really should stop doing that. PeerBlock fixes all.

    6. Re:"Illegal downloading" Again! by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "The MAFIAA is not capturing your packets and analyzing them to see what you are transferring. They are one of the clients that you are seeding to."

      Then block your whole country with a special Peerblock list and connect only with the other 193 ones.
      It might slow down the stuff that only US people watch (Football, baseball, DWTS etc) but for the rest it works OK.

    7. Re:"Illegal downloading" Again! by YodasEvilTwin · · Score: 1

      As per the comment below, use Peerblock. Like all blacklists it's not perfect, but it will greatly reduce your chances of getting caught.

    8. Re:"Illegal downloading" Again! by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      Turn off sharing in your bittorrent client, unless you are sure that you can distribute the material.

      Or fetch the material from usenet, ftp, or other "one-way" means.

      Or torrent anonymously via I2P. The selection isn't as good, but it will be if more people start using it before their sixth strike.

      download/upload caps are also a weapon against tor/waste/whatever-with-deniability sharing. follow the media publishers, whichever isp they have their hands on they're moving to capped plans.

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    9. Re:"Illegal downloading" Again! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How? Once they try to connect to you, they already have your ip address. They already know you're torrenting.

  12. Usenet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How does something like this affect Usenet users? Are they going to assume all Usenet traffic is for "illegal" stuff?

    1. Re:Usenet? by oh-dark-thirty · · Score: 1

      It's hard to assume anything when the stream you're deep-packet-inspecting is encrypted.

    2. Re:Usenet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The end-points are still in the clear!

  13. Criminals like any other by J'raxis · · Score: 3

    This will only serve to improve online privacy and anonymity technology, making it more robust, resilient, and secure---putting these companies and their attacks on Internet users in the same category as any other online criminals, right where they belong.

    1. Re:Criminals like any other by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      We have stuff like Truecrypt that, with a proper key, is pretty much uncrackable.

      What happens when we have a filesharing client that reaches this apex? All it takes is some dedicated kid at Caltech or MIT or Basement U to come up with something that would basically be untrackable. Would the government make a completely legal program illegal? Massive spying?

      It's going to happen and it will be interesting to see how its handled. I'd pay a hefty sum of money to see the face of the MAFIAA execs when a tech guy tells them "No, there really isn't any way to track this program. It's impossible."

    2. Re:Criminals like any other by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have had that for more than a decade. It's called 'Freenet'.

    3. Re:Criminals like any other by semi-extrinsic · · Score: 1

      As has been pointed out in earlier /. submissions, the logical conclusion of "The War On Piracy" is to ban the all-purpose computer. Only computers incapable of running software not from a MAFIAA approved app store should be allowed. What's that, you say, you have "research labs" and "universities" where they "write software themselves"? BAN THEM AS WELL! All those college kids are pirates, anyway.

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    4. Re:Criminals like any other by J'raxis · · Score: 1

      What's that, you say, you have "research labs" and "universities" where they "write software themselves"? BAN THEM AS WELL! All those college kids are pirates, anyway.

      No, what will happen is people will be required to have special, expensive licenses if they want to run "real" computers. Universities will be able to pay for these, and of course the corporations who buy the licensing legislation in first place will be able to afford them. Two classes of people: The well-to-do and well-connected who can afford to buy into such a system, and everyone else. This model is of course what the *AA are already used to, from radio and television.

    5. Re:Criminals like any other by YodasEvilTwin · · Score: 1

      The artificially limited computers will be hacked and there will be open-source hardware. Computers have been around for too long, the damage is done. Anyone who tries to get in the way will be trampled -- possibly resulting in great short-term hardship for the citizenry, but in the long run I don't see how we can lose.

    6. Re:Criminals like any other by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's happening. iPhones and iPads and the Apple App Store are all the proof the MAFIAA needs that such a model can work. That, in fact, good little consumers will line up down the sidewalk for the privilege of paying a premium for a device that lets them use this model.

      And it's already illegal to jailbreak an iPhone or iPad (or not; jurisprudence on the subject conflicts). But the law says it's illegal.

      So there you have it. Those of us with compilers will soon be licensed and tracked by a Three Letter Acronym Agency, probably specially created for the purpose by our big-government-loving political parties. (Yes, I said parties, as in both of them.)

  14. Don't delay TV Show DVDS by kms_one · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't delay TV show DVDs until 3/4 of the way through the next season and I won't pirate the shows!

    1. Re:Don't delay TV Show DVDS by EricX2 · · Score: 1

      I can agree with that. I can use Netflix to get Breaking Bad season 1-3 but 4 won't be out until well after season 5 is airing. It isn't on demand, or even reruns.

    2. Re:Don't delay TV Show DVDS by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      I'd argue that were it merely a delay, that would be okay. The MPAA buying laws to enact censorship, THAT's what I object to. Stop trying to erode my rights and I'll stop sharing their goods. Until then I have no qualms about doing my small part to hurt them.

  15. The Onion Router by fallen1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    TOR, TOR, TOR! The more people who use The Onion Router, the better. There will need to be some brave souls out there to run Exit Nodes as they will be the ones targeted if, or when, accusations begin flying.

    If they try to ban TOR in the United States, we _ALL_ simply stand up to our government and say "WHAT?!? I was under the impression the United States government espoused a belief in Freedom and Democracy for all people. Why do you think I run TOR? I do it to support those people who wish to communicate freely and throw off their oppressors! Since you are trying to ban TOR in the United States, , I presume you no longer support the struggles of those people who are being crushed by oppressive regimes? It seems to me, , that you actually want to turn the United States into an oppressive police state where the individual is much less important than a corporation, in violation of the Constitution of these United States. Didn't you swear an oath to uphold and defend said document?"

    Never give them a chance to bullshit their way out of it. Hit them hard, hit them fast, and keep hitting them with the "So, you work for the corporations now? You certainly are no longer representing the People." and so on. Hey, if they can use "Think of the children??" then we, the People, can damn well use all of the above to get them to back down.

    This is still a free country... right?

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    1. Re:The Onion Router by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait til they six-strike every bittorrent user off the internet and everybody starts using anonymous networks. What do you think the MAFIAA's next target will be?

    2. Re:The Onion Router by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is still a free country... right?

      Wrong. Get back in your cell... err home.

    3. Re:The Onion Router by fallen1 · · Score: 1

      Well shit. Between "...ban TOR in the United States," and ",I presume you no longer..." as well as between "It seems to me," and the ",that you actually want to..." there should be (Senator, Representative, other politician) listed but it vanished because I used greater than and less than symbols instead. Whoops, sorry about that.

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    4. Re:The Onion Router by CanHasDIY · · Score: 3, Funny

      This is still a free country... right?

      Wrong. Get back in your cell... err home.

      The word you're looking for there is cubicle

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    5. Re:The Onion Router by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      TOR is not actually as secure as you seem to think it is. When I was doing grad school, we regularly discussed current research, and it wasn't uncommon for us to find papers disclosing holes in TOR that any significantly large enough group could exploit fairly easily with varying degrees of success. Governments and ISPs are large enough to find people if they want to, and they likely have, since there was an example of a TOR-using criminal ring getting broken up just two months ago.

    6. Re:The Onion Router by ethicalcannibal · · Score: 1

      I really want to use TOR. I grasp the theory. However, I am too tech stupid to be aware of all the ins and outs to a degree that will keep me safe. I can barely upload a video to youtube. Yet, I know how to BT. My biggest fear for TOR is that I will think I have it right, but have missed some key component a real tech savvy person would find obvious, and be back to square one. Unfortunately, I am a user that needs hand holding.

    7. Re:The Onion Router by ace37 · · Score: 1

      TOR will be quickly broken if it gains widespread usage. The FBI has already demonstrated the ability to trace its 'anonymous' users when it's serious about a crime (such as controlled substance distribution centers as linked in Anubis's post).

      The methods they've developed so far will get a lot more development if TOR is perceived as a real threat to somebody with political power.

    8. Re:The Onion Router by KhabaLox · · Score: 1

      This is still a free country... right?

      Wrong. Get back in your cell... err home.

      The word you're looking for there is cubicle

      This is too depressing. I'm going to go back to work....

      Aw shit.

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    9. Re:The Onion Router by Phusion · · Score: 1

      TOR is The Onion Router, it routes you around using other hosts on the TOR network. It's very slow and you really don't know who's running the exit nodes, best to stay away from it. If you don't want your traffic slowed down or possibly spied on by weirdos or the US government, check out a paid VPN service in Sweden, or any country outside the US/CAN/UK with decent privacy laws. vpntunnel.se / ibvpn.com / anonine.com / ipredator.se are all decent services to look into. Encrypted traffic, very little slow down and it's quite affordable.

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    10. Re:The Onion Router by westlake · · Score: 1

      TOR, TOR, TOR! The more people who use The Onion Router the better. There will need to be some brave souls out there to run Exit Nodes as they will be the ones targeted if, or when, accusations begin flying.

      You first.

      There are many reasons why Freenet, Tor, etc., do not reach critical mass.

      Too complex. Too slow. Too obscure.

      But I've come to suspect that the ultimate reason may be is that the geek expects someone else to take the big risks for him.

      The traffic routed through your systems and networks. The data resident on your hard drives.

    11. Re:The Onion Router by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NO. We don't live in a free country fallen, we never have. The government has just been slowly peeling back the onion layers on your liberties. Government is not completely absent minded, they know they need to do it slowly so there are no gathering of the masses to cause an uproar about it. I doubt there ever will be enough people that truly understand the ramifications of these laws until it directly affects them, and its too late. They're liberties will already be completely gone.

    12. Re:The Onion Router by green1 · · Score: 1

      While it is possible that someone could be tracked despite TOR, the example you give is unlikely to be one of those cases. The example given was a narcotics ring, as narcotics can not (yet) be sent through TOR, it seems more likely that they were tracked through their physical product than through TOR.

    13. Re:The Onion Router by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That only works if you can choose to vote for someone who isn't a corporate lackey. Such candidates are few and far between.

    14. Re:The Onion Router by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      I can agree with you that it's less likely that they were tracked that way. Nevertheless, the fact that the FBI is being cagey about how they caught the criminals, and the fact that we know that these methods could and do exist, means that we cannot discount the notion that they got around TOR.

    15. Re:The Onion Router by green1 · · Score: 1

      I find the fact that the FBI is being cagey about it to be a strong indication that they did it the old fashioned way. This way they hope to scare some people in to stopping doing illegal things on TOR for fear of being caught, without having to admit that they haven't broken TOR and actually caught people the old fashioned way. I suspect had they truly managed to track it through TOR they'd be bragging about it.

      That said, I agree TOR isn't perfect, I'm sure that law enforcement has invested a lot in breaking it (and may yet succeed). There is no guarantee that it is currently safe. I just don't think we have yet seen an actual case where there is any indication that they have already broken it.

    16. Re:The Onion Router by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      > works fine as is, but to get a < you need to substitute &lt; for <

    17. Re:The Onion Router by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tor is not for BitTorrent

      Please don't encourage anyone to do this as thats one of the top 5 reasons the Tor Network is often so slow (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4BUZrbFbis). Secondly, for those saying Tor can be traced, listen to what Jacob Appelbaum says: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHoJ9pQ0cn8 - essentially, if both the entrance point and the exit destination are known/watched, then it theoretically can be determined who the user is. According to Jacob that still isn't as easy to do as it sounds like.

  16. Re:Bye Bye free Wirless at Starbucks, McDonalds... by I_am_Jack · · Score: 1

    The tighter the fist squeezes, the more that slips through the fingers.

  17. Did I miss something? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Did the U.S. finally sneak a law through or is this a private action on the part of the ISPs?

    If the latter, is it not collusion for these multiple companies to simultaneously implement this system? And, if there is no law, how will they defend it from a legal perspective? They shouldn't be able to switch contract terms for existing subscribers.

    This all sounds like a massive opportunity for a class action lawyer and competitive ISPs to eat these company's lunches. Or, perhaps the bleating sheep like it in the pooper.

    1. Re:Did I miss something? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Collusion - maybe. It seems though that there will not be a centralized database, so if you get banned form one ISP, you can sign up with another ISP. Though if you get banned from all ISPs, you're SOL.

      As far as contract terms go - have you read your TOS? They usually state that the terms of the agreement may change at any time without any notice. They also almost always have an arbitration clause forbidding you from suing them or joining a class action.

      I certainly think we should try a legal remedy, i.e. collusion. However, beyond that, our only choice might be technical options. Encrypt communication between peers and peers, and between peers and trackers.

    2. Re:Did I miss something? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As far as contract terms go - have you read your TOS? They usually state that the terms of the agreement may change at any time without any notice.

      Yes, I have read my contract. I read all contracts prior to applying my signature. (Sales droids hate me for this.) I would never sign anything that said it could be changed without notice after my signature finalizes it. That's asinine!

      They also almost always have an arbitration clause forbidding you from suing them or joining a class action.

      True, most service contracts have such a clause. However, these clauses are completely irrelevant. Nothing stops anyone from bringing suit for any reason.

  18. Re:Bye Bye free Wirless at Starbucks, McDonalds... by bmo · · Score: 2

    >but I feel this is also just going to backfire

    This is probably why the implementation date is slipping. The ISPs might be waking up to the shitstorm that comes when they roll this out.

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  19. Newspeak by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2

    Unlimited (adv): Useful up to some predefined cap.

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    1. Re:Newspeak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      adj*

    2. Re:Newspeak by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      This is why we drink our coffee before we post to /.

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  20. Re:Bye Bye free Wirless at Starbucks, McDonalds... by Idbar · · Score: 1

    Well, knowing that big ISPs are planning on roamming wifi networks for their subscribers as a next step to "increase coverage". I'm thinking they will be running coffee shop wifis and tracking you down anyways.

  21. Maybe it is time for the Nuclear Option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Perhaps we should consider the nuclear option. This would be to simply destroy these big telecoms and labels that won't stop attacking internet freedom because of some copying. They are not hurting for money despite piracy and they pay the artists little, leaving the bands to survive on performance only.

    Step 1. Free CD/DVD day. People all over the world burn all the music they can find onto DVD and CD-R's and pass them out on the street or leave them in places for people to find like bus seats, subway seats. Stick them in newspapers and free auto or rental property booklets you find at grocery stores and shopping malls. This will spread things around and cripple these goons financially. This will target the RIAA since they are the worst offender. Send a strong message by demolishing the last 3 or 4 big labels and leaving the RIAA in total ruin. Avoid hurting any indie labels if possible. We will need them later.

    Step 2. For movies, push hard for a "Steam" like solution where you can buy once, redownload if you lose a copy and run it on any player. The MPAA members can go with this or they can face the fate of the RIAA. I think given that choice, they will go with the steam method and find that it actually increases sales and profits, especially on older stuff that can be put on sale at times.

    Step 3. For music, it would be good to see a community form where most music gets shared freely and the artists make a living from live performance. They already do this now, the difference is that they rely on the big labels recording studios and for distribution. The internet can handle distribution easily. Just share. Bands would hire local micro studios to record in and let the experts there do the mixing and other work involved in polishing their album. Since tech is cheap now you don't have to be a multi billion dollar label to set up a studio. You just need some enthusiasts with know how and a few thousand dollars in computers and other equipment and local bands can come record for a reasonable fee. Production is cheap. CD burners, usb sticks and the internet. The band lives off of t-shirts and performance like today. The difference? No big labels to kowtow to and sign your rights away to forever. I think that is a win-win for everyone except the RIAA. The smaller indie labels will form the first micro-studios used by local bands to record.

    1. Re:Maybe it is time for the Nuclear Option by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Step 2. For movies, push hard for a "Steam" like solution where you can buy once, redownload if you lose a copy and run it on any player. The MPAA members can go with this or they can face the fate of the RIAA. I think given that choice, they will go with the steam method and find that it actually increases sales and profits, especially on older stuff that can be put on sale at times.

      Have you heard of Ultraviolet? I don't *want* a steam-like solution. I want something that's guaranteed to continue to work no matter how many companies go bankrupt in the next 20 years. I would much rather have DVD and Blu-Ray, although I would like for it to be legal to make my own backup copies. Sure, if you always get a free streaming copy with purchase of physical media that's fine with me too.

    2. Re:Maybe it is time for the Nuclear Option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget that your DVD writer writes a traceable ID on that DVD/CD. ( there are ways around that - just be aware )

    3. Re:Maybe it is time for the Nuclear Option by biek · · Score: 1

      Step 1. Free CD/DVD day.

      Black hats everywhere rejoice at the idea of encouraging people to stick randomly-found media in their computers

    4. Re:Maybe it is time for the Nuclear Option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you heard of Ultraviolet? I don't *want* a steam-like solution. I want something that's guaranteed to continue to work no matter how many companies go bankrupt in the next 20 years.

      Like Steam? ;-)

    5. Re:Maybe it is time for the Nuclear Option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How could you get around that? I'm curious about how to do that in Linux.

  22. Who pays the bills? by halfkoreanamerican · · Score: 1

    I wonder who will ultimately pay them more, the users or the RIAA/MAFIA? Usually companies go the way of the money... We'll see how long it lasts. On another note, Iran does similar things on the internet, only if you get caught you get killed.

  23. More likely... by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Insightful
    People will start using more encryption and private filesharing networks to get their media. I already see it happening at universities, where students who are accused of downloading can face punishments without any sort of a trial. Eventually you will see people moving to things like Freenet.

    There are two interpretations:
    1. Old businesses die in the face of new technology -- and good riddance to bad rubbish.
    2. The MPAA continues to profit, because downloaders are also their best customers.
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  24. Dangerous Precedent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The idea of "common carriers" is going out the window. Now, anyone who provides a network is going to be responsible for what their customers use it for.

    That would be like holding government responsible for car accidents, since the government provides the roads. Obviously, this is a very different system, since the users of the roads are legally and financially liable for their use. It should be no different for any other infrastructure.

    1. Re:Dangerous Precedent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ISPs have never been common carriers. Look in your TOS. They have rules against spamming and trolling usually.

      While I sympathize, this is does not change the ISP's legal position.

    2. Re:Dangerous Precedent by hackula · · Score: 1

      I could see the government being held responsible in some way for an auto accident, if they had an unreasonably dangerous road.

    3. Re:Dangerous Precedent by TemplePilot · · Score: 1

      I agree. ISP's should just be network neutral dumb pipes responsible for transport only and no more than that. They're not the worlds internet police and shouldn't have to be made to.

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    4. Re:Dangerous Precedent by Dynedain · · Score: 1

      ISPs could push back and set themselves as common carriers if they wanted to, but the temptation of selling content to their customers in addition to dumb pipes is just too tempting.

      Comcast - planning (or already has) their own streaming music service, and owns NBC Universal
      Cablevision - has a streaming video service, and also makes their bread and butter off of Cable TV
      Verizon - sells TV via their FiOS bundles
      Time Warner Cable - Not associated with Time Warner Media anymore, but any time spent on the internet is time not spent watching their Cable TV offerings.

      Notice any patterns here? Bandwidth is a cost to these companies, and they all operate other significant revenue streams that are in direct competition with unmetered data service when it comes to what customers are doing.

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    5. Re:Dangerous Precedent by green1 · · Score: 1

      the thing about this system though is that they are not being "made to" they are CHOOSING to. this is not a legally mandated thing, it's a bunch of big ISPs who decided to screw over their customers for the fun (and profit) of it.

  25. Nearing Utopia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After they get this last problem with the world under control we will finally be able to live in utopia.

    1. Re:Nearing Utopia by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      I don't want to live in Utopia, the resolution is way too low!

  26. Would you move over it? by tepples · · Score: 0

    So if you lived in an area where the cable was from one of these companies and the DSL was also from one of these companies, such as Comcast and Verizon, would you move because of this?

    1. Re:Would you move over it? by stanlyb · · Score: 1

      Yes

    2. Re:Would you move over it? by neokushan · · Score: 2

      That depends on too many different factors to list. Sometimes you don't have a choice and you're stuck with using a company you don't necessarily agree with - many slashdotters here hate Microsoft but have to use Windows in some form because their views don't warrant them moving jobs.
      Using my original analogy, I wouldn't befriend that person because I have many friends and don't need any more. If he and I were the last people alive, I'd probably have to make an exception and work with him.

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    3. Re:Would you move over it? by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      And don't forget what affects many of us which is family. Sure YOU might not have a problem moving, but could you afford or even get the family members to move as well? in my area its Cox cable or AT&T DSL and that's it but while my GF would love it if I could move closer to her family the simple fact is i have two elderly relatives with health problems as well as a 17 year old child with serious health problems and his older brother is swamped in pre-med. if anything bad were to happen he just wouldn't be able to handle the extra pressure without slaughtering his grades. So i really have no choice but be the "go to" guy if anything goes wrong so I have to stay within a couple of hours distance max.

      So it really isn't fair to blame someone for doing business with a douchebag company because many of us simply have no choice. Even if I had the extra funds (which I don't) to move both parents they have been in their homes for nearly 30 years now and good luck getting people in their 70s to give up their homes.

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    4. Re:Would you move over it? by Gr8Apes · · Score: 2

      This process is called "compromise", and many people need to relearn what it entails.

      I've been fortunate, over the past 7 or so years, I've been almost windows free, only needing to run it in a VM on occasion to support a project, but otherwise being windows free. My ideals of not using a subpar OS were realizable due to a combination of circumstance and personal effort, yet I still had to compromise occasionally.

      The problem with these companies is that they comprise almost all the options for service in more than 80% of the residences in the US. Unless you're willing to buy your own line, there's not much you can do if you want both high speed and relatively inexpensive service. (both terms used loosely) I predict that what thisnew policy will give rise to is encrypted decentralized darknets that any user can utilize and tracing becomes a non-trivial process. Think TOR with better performance and a decentralized directory. Using 1 or 2 levels of indirection with potentially a different concept for transfers could have tremendous performance gains in file transfers with significantly lowered traffic. It also makes tracking such activity require a warrant and a lot more effort than merely sniffing packets.

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    5. Re:Would you move over it? by wickedskaman · · Score: 1

      I know him personally. Everything he's ever done has been a derivative of flax seed oil.

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  27. Private police by Hentes · · Score: 1

    So now the copyright industry can afford their private copyright police? Strange considering how piracy is driving them bankrupt.

  28. Activision uses BitTorrent by tepples · · Score: 1

    Wait til they six-strike every bittorrent user off the internet

    I thought Activision, which used BitTorrent to distribute updates for its video game World of Warcraft, had too much clout for this to happen.

    1. Re:Activision uses BitTorrent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure Blizzard uses BitTorrent based clients for all of it's game distribution via Battle.Net at this point. Saves them a butt-load on bandwidth.

  29. BTGuard by sfhock · · Score: 1

    Should be seeing a significant uptick in new user stats pretty soon...

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  30. Transit still costs money by tepples · · Score: 2

    Just because the data can move easily through Comcast's fiber network doesn't mean Comcast doesn't have to pay its own upstream ISPs (Tata and Level 3) for transit. That's why Comcast and other wired ISPs impose a cap on home subscribers, so that the ISPs don't have to overpay for expanding upstream capacity.

    1. Re:Transit still costs money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They wouldn't be "overpaying"; they would be paying the requisite sum to support the service they are selling. They make money by overselling their allotted bandwidth, and people taking advantage of unlimited 30+Mb pipes throws a wrench into their profit margins. Morally, they shouldn't be advertising a service that they cannot provide, but the moral business is often out-of-business in the modern world, so we can't have sensible solutions... better to attack the unpopular paying customers.

  31. New Business Opportunity! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm starting a download service in the UK.

    I will download anything you want and give it to you on a USB thumbdrive for just a quarter pound per GB.

    I will do this by parking my car in front of your or your neighbors house and using ripe and juicy unsecured Wi-Fi.

  32. Re:Capitalism is garbage! by couchslug · · Score: 1

    Worked fucking great the first time!

    You can't build a system that Bolsheviks and Maoists won't take over. Nature of the beast.

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  33. Accidental infringement by tepples · · Score: 1
    Anonymous Coward wrote:

    They can put it in their TOS that the account holder must ensure that no copyright infringement takes place through the account

    How can an ISP reasonably expect a subscriber to ensure this? For example, say the subscriber is a songwriter, and he posts videos of himself singing songs he wrote. How can he make sure that those songs aren't by accident substantially similar to some existing song?

    1. Re:Accidental infringement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ISP doesn't really care, they also reserve the right to revoke service for any reason at any time. In reality this means "any reason that probably won't get us sued by the customer", but this is still well within that range.

      In practice, your example case is going to be based on the number of DMCA takedown notices that the subscriber ends up getting.

    2. Re:Accidental infringement by tepples · · Score: 1

      In that case, how should a subscriber avoid getting DMCA notices for songs that he has a good faith belief that he wrote?

    3. Re:Accidental infringement by sjames · · Score: 1

      For that matter, how can someone who uploads a video taken in the woods make sure the birds weren't infringing someone's copyright? The answer is that they can't.

      Further, what assurance do we have that the infringement claims are correct? None at all.

    4. Re:Accidental infringement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He can't. Welcome to the new normal.

  34. The "Response" part may be delayed by Pf0tzenpfritz · · Score: 1

    But you bet, the deep packet inspection system will be rolled out soon enough.

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  35. Re:awwwww by lexa1979 · · Score: 1

    in Europe, we call this "private copy"

  36. Re:Bye Bye free Wirless at Starbucks, McDonalds... by bzipitidoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Haven't you realized that's what they want? To shut down the Internet?

    They don't say it outright, but they very much wish it was 1985 for the rest of us, when less than half the population had a home computer, and the hard drive, if present, was 20M, mp3 didn't exist yet and even if it had the hardware of those days couldn't decode it in real time, and what little data exchange there was happened over 1200 bit/s modems on local BBSes, a few of which participated in FidoNet. Music piracy was possible but limited and inconvenient, with the cassette tape being the best way. They themselves are quite happy to reap the benefits of modern technology, they just don't like the rest of us being able to do so too.

    Don't agree with pirating? Futile, and dated of you. Might as well act disapproving of skirts above the ankle, and shocked over the licentiousness of 60's Rock and Roll. What do you think when you run into some senior who is still upset over Elvis the Pelvis? Who thinks the young are all depraved and they and the nation are going to Hell because of the music they listen to and their general disrespect for the traditions that made the country great. You roll your eyes at their cluelessness, that's what. And you ignore them. Dismiss them as a typical "get off my lawn" senior. No use talking to them.

    Sharing is here to stay. No amount of force or cajoling will put this genie back in the bottle. Today, you still have lots of company. You and people of similar mind are why ISPs dare to even think of giving in to Big Media to engage in such idiocy as these 3 or 6 strikes efforts. You disagree with the means, but not the goal. That's enough of a green light for them. Often, means and ends cannot be so easily separated. 20 or 30 or 50 years from now, such attitudes will look utterly ridiculous to most everyone, like asking for sunshine without the heat and acting as if that's such a perfectly reasonable expectation that it need not be spoken aloud because that would be insulting to others' intelligence. "You know, something beggable but not leprosy, which is a pain in the ass to be blunt and excuse my French, sir." If you want to stay relevant, you'll have to accept piracy.

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  37. nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    nothing your hollywood is doing last few years is even worth it....

  38. Re:Bye Bye free Wirless at Starbucks, McDonalds... by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 1

    There is a bug in the protocol for WPS - Wifi Protected Setup - which makes it pretty easy to crack. WPS (with a broken protocol) was required by the Wifi alliance if you want a nice sticker on your box (and as a manufacturer you do). Some router firmware won't even let you turn it off.
    WEP, old but still needed for some very old clients, is also trivial to crack.

    So, there are two currently known semi-trivial ways to get on a huge subset of "protected" Wifi networks. If someone were to log on to your network with those, it would be hard to prove it wasn't your infringement. Ahh, but haven't courts said they can't identify you by IP? True, but this is not a court case, this is a semi-monopolistic ISP that can dictate terms. (In my area, I only have one real choice, Comcast).

  39. "Six" strikes? by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 1

    Three strikes was bad enough, do we have to stretch a bad analogy so far as to six? How about Pi strikes, or square root of two strikes; the phrase is just as contrived.

    1. Re:"Six" strikes? by T+Murphy · · Score: 1

      Six fouls and you foul out?

  40. ISPs have pulled their "unlimited" ads by tepples · · Score: 3, Informative

    They wouldn't be "overpaying"; they would be paying the requisite sum to support the service they are selling.

    Or they could choose to sell less service. For example outside telecommunications, look at all the ice cream manufacturers that have cut the package size from 64 ounces to 48.

    Morally, they shouldn't be advertising a service that they cannot provide

    Which is why ISPs have pulled their "unlimited" ads in favor of "always on" ads.

  41. Pirate voting block by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With the BSA claiming half of PC users are pirates and the subscribers of the largest ISPs in the country getting (perhaps often unwarranted) strikes, so politicans realize what an enormous voting block this is?.

    All that needs to happen is this becoming an issue on the political agenda. With tons of people getting these accusatory letters, that will undoubtedly come a step closer.

  42. Re:Capitalism is garbage! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pffft. the Marxist revolution is so-so passè. I want the Congress of Vienna back.

  43. Re:Bye Bye free Wirless at Starbucks, McDonalds... by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

    And then shortly thereafter you'd have lawmakers telling everyone with a public access point to log MAC addresses, which can easily be tied back to a specific device and thus a specific user much more precisely than you can with an IP address.

  44. Amusing. by ArcCoyote · · Score: 1

    These kind of stories always draw half-cocked comments, spewed (along with flecks of Doritos) from the basements of parent-owned houses.

    You can talk big, but you're not going to stick it to Comcast when you don't even pay the bill.

    The rest of us just get on with our lives, using BitTorrent to grab an episode or two of a show the DVR missed. Occasionally we suck down entire seasons and don't worry too much about it. We leave a wireless "guest network" open and shut down torrents when we hit a 1.0 ratio. We have encryption and auto-updated blocklists.

    We're smart geeks and we know the risks. We know it might piss someone off. Just like keeping up with highway traffic: technically we're speeding, but the chances of getting pulled over are slim to none. If we get caught and our ISP send us a nastygram, we knock it off for a while.

    1. Re:Amusing. by Aethelred+Unread · · Score: 0

      We leave a wireless "guest network" open and shut down torrents when we hit a 1.0 ratio. We have encryption and auto-updated blocklists.

      We're smart geeks and we know the risks. We know it might piss someone off. Just like keeping up with highway traffic: technically we're speeding, but the chances of getting pulled over are slim to none. If we get caught and our ISP send us a nastygram, we knock it off for a while.

      Nothing about that is smart in any way. For one, it breaks the fundamental idea of torrents which is a ration above 1.0 and for two do some basic research and secure your torrent client and use PeerBlock. Sheesh. "Smart geeks" use a workaround, not turning off a torrent at 1.0. That's dumb.

    2. Re:Amusing. by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      You can talk big, but you're not going to stick it to Comcast when you don't even pay the bill.

      Who are you talking about? Those random strangers on the internet that you know nothing about? Oh, I see.

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  45. Content Theft Costs America - Lies! by Skapare · · Score: 1

    The following were found on this page and stated to be facts which simply are not true:

    More than 373,000 Jobs

    Lie #1 ... as people shift spending from media companies to other things, 373,000 jobs shift to other things. Follow the money!

    Some $16 Billion in Lost Wages

    Lie #2 (pretty much a rephrase of Lie #1) ... some $16 billion in gained wages in other job sectors where people are spending their money usually more effectively.

    $2.6 Billion in Lost Taxes

    Lie #3 (still much the same) ... the taxes will be paid through sales of other things.

    I most certainly am NOT a supporter of copyright theft. However, lies used to promote programs to fight copyright theft are no better than these thefts themselves.

    These are the same kinds of lies and fraud often perpetrated by big corporations and Republican presidential candidates to fool people into believing that they can pull free jobs out of their arses, if only you will just give them complete unlimited control of things.

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  46. Re:Bye Bye free Wirless at Starbucks, McDonalds... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    amost every pc and router i've seen in the last 8 years has the option to change the mac address.

  47. Arbitration process by Skapare · · Score: 1

    From the Center For Copyright Information page, the News Feed link Center for Copyright Information Announces Three Major Steps Towards Implementation has this paragraph:

    In addition to these appointments, CCI announced the retention of the American Arbitration Association (“AAA”), a global leader in conflict management. AAA will be the independent entity that manages the program’s independent review process, including the training of neutral reviewers for situations where a subscriber has received multiple alerts but believes a mitigation measure should not be imposed.

    The usual procedure for this organization in other activities is to require substantial up front payment just to get things started. How this would play out in the case of this program is not specified. But it is likely to require the accused alleged infringer to initiate the process through AAA which could cost hundreds of dollars paid in advance, thus leaving a huge portion of the population out, assuming this process is fair (which in the financial services sector has been a dismal failure).

    I'd be curious how they would try to force use of arbitration. Maybe as part of the contracts people sign with their internet providers? Better read your contracts. But if no such clause is present and stated to apply to outside parties, and anything is wrong in accusations made, I'd recommend taking the matter to court against the CFCI or whoever is providing the erroneous accusations.

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    1. Re:Arbitration process by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      wasn't forcing arbitration for consumer service related matters already deemed illegal/not holding up in court?

      (if it wasn't, you'd be having an eula that stated arbitration rules on your mcd burger)

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    2. Re:Arbitration process by Skapare · · Score: 1

      Apparently now. It's still around.

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  48. How about ping? by ace37 · · Score: 1

    I was with Comcast and had a 15 mbps connection but typically 150-200 ms ping in our apartment building. They advertised the crap out of the download rate, but I felt like I was on a satellite sometimes with the ping.

    We moved to a home in a new neighborhood that's only serviced by Qwest. I was initially disappointed by the drop to 7 mbps and really lousy upload speed, but I do take comfort in a very consistent = 60 ms ping.

    For many practical purposes, cutting the ping from the really lousy 1/5th-1/7th of a second down to 1/15th made this an overall upgrade.

  49. You can always identify an X using a Y by Sloppy · · Score: 1

    a US judge ruled that you cannot identify a "pirate" using an IP address

    That judge was merely ruling on a legal matter; he wasn't ruling on business strategies. You (as well as ISPs) are still free to suspect anyone of anything, for any reason. Nobody can ever take that away from you. (We still even have racists, you know.)

    The policy being discussed isn't a matter of legal punishment or liability; it's about previously-for-profit businesses opting to give inferior service to some customers, based on .. whatever .. so that those people will decide to stop being customers and stop paying the ISP every month.

    Transitioning toward becoming non-profit is what happens to sectors that interact too much with Hollywood; talk with those people long enough and you too can start to think of the people who send you monthly payments, as the enemy. They will teach you how to say No whenever cash is waved in your face.

    The next step for ISPs, one they get into a more regular habit of telling customers "no we don't want your money," should be to complain about falling revenues, and lobby government for more blatant subsidies. Perhaps there will be a "wire tax" where anyone who buys ethernet cables or wireless APs will pay a little extra, to fund their local cable TV franchise.

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  50. Re:Bye Bye free Wirless at Starbucks, McDonalds... by KhabaLox · · Score: 1

    amost every pc and router i've seen in the last 8 years has the option to change the mac address.

    How does that work? I thought the point of MAC addresses was that they were unique? I suppose, or IP traffic they only need to be unique to their subnet, but still, that sounds like a potential problem for routing (though perhaps no more than assigned IP addresses).

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  51. Re:awwwww by LocalH · · Score: 0

    Fuck you, nationalist pig.

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  52. Better yet by future+assassin · · Score: 1

    Burn a cd/dvd/br disk day. We can all gather in the city centre and march in a circle while we throw our disk into the fire. Free Red Bull for anyone who brings in a media exec for the throw a media exec into the fire toss event.

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  53. Not SO bad... by NuAngel · · Score: 1

    I'm somewhat okay with his, just because... if you get caught six times... I mean... c'mon...

  54. Re:Bye Bye free Wirless at Starbucks, McDonalds... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and average Joe will never implement that. Hell most don't even know the difference between the different keys let alone what a MAC address is or how to log it.

  55. Why criminalize consumers for organized crime? by OldHawk777 · · Score: 1

    From PKI (Phil Zimmerman) to the present citizens, we lose to organized crime sustained by Congress, corporate-welfare laws, corporate-enforcers, Cleric-truths, and plutocrat courts.

    This ain't the USA, of our founding parents, that I grew up in. Republicans, Libertarians, Religious Inquisition Party (RIP) and other non-thinking dogma-hogs have made it clear that "America belongs to them," not US.

    Should corporations be provided with congressional laws that eliminates due process and/or require corporations enforce punitive measures on US Citizens. Get corporate-government/enforcers out of personal lives. Government/Congress should be prosecuting the organized crime, not the user, addict, consumer, private citizen for organized crime activities.

    Corporate-government and plutocrat-welfare IMO supports the organized crime underground economy created by these laws that look important, but only force criminalizing and penalizing US Citizens. Easy image, no political cost BS-Laws and regulations.

    Government and Industry need to turn their weapons of mass punitive and criminalizing effect away from US, and towards specific impact targets (organized crime).

    Also, any organized crime underground economy can be disrupted (maybe destroyed) by Governments passing good targeted laws (i.e. repeal of prohibition ...).

    Dogma-hog Republican, Libertarian, Religious Inquisition Party (RIP) ... logic will never consider justice and fairness as acceptable for US; Though, they will PAC expensively mass-market it as just and fair for US, not them.

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  56. They don't need to hope and pray by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They use a portion of their market-abuse-derived profits to lobby for laws that protect their monopolies.

    A small number of (poor) visionaries can do nothing against them. It is not until a huge percentage of the unwashed masses are pissed off enough to actually vote for someone on the platform of monopoly-busting that such a platform will become politically advantageous.

    When that eventually happens, the executives will just bail on their golden parachutes and leave the shareholders holding the bag.

  57. I am a pirate, but I'm a careful one. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) Get VPN. Choose one that does not keep logs. $40/year
    2) Configure BitTorrent client so it won't upload or download unless the VPN is active.
    3) There is no step 3.

  58. Lower courts don't matter by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    Not with the entrenched Supremely Right-Wing Court. And with modern, top-flight medical care, these trolls will be overseeing the destruction of the Rule of Law for at least 30 more years.

  59. Re:Bye Bye free Wirless at Starbucks, McDonalds... by green1 · · Score: 1

    mac addresses are only used to route packets at the most local level of the network, so as long as your forged mac address is still unique on your local switch, you won't have a problem.

  60. Re:Bye Bye free Wirless at Starbucks, McDonalds... by dissy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is probably why the implementation date is slipping. The ISPs might be waking up to the shitstorm that comes when they roll this out.

    I wonder how much government bailout money we will need to pay in extra taxes once the ISPs lose the large majority of their customers and income...

    If supposedly 50% of people pirate just software, that alone will result in the ISPs only having 50% of their current income.
    Throw music and movies into the mix, and it would not surprise me if that number was over 75%.

    That's a hell of a lot of income to willingly refuse to take...

  61. Uncrowd your pipes by psydeshow · · Score: 1

    Free up bandwidth in your neighborhood:

    1) P0wn the neighbors' wi-fi access points*
    2) Install script that causes access point to act as a proxy for your own downloading
    3) Download six or more copyrighted works via each neighbor's IP address

    Within a few days, you could be the only one left in your hood with an unthrottled internet connection. Woo-hoo, no more choppy Netflix streaming during prime time! And you get a bunch of free IP to boot.

    *Not illegal if they ask you, as a computer whiz, to "optimize" them.

  62. SOPA being dead means you can and will be sued by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

    If you accuse someone of wrongdoing and then take action against them you can and will be sued.

  63. How do you know if you have permission to copy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is a lot of music on YouTube. Some of it is uploaded by the record companies and is legit for downloading. Some of it is probably not. In the general case though, how are you supposed to know. I found a site the other day with free books. I wasn't sure if the site had the rights to distribute all the books or not. Also, in the case of YouTube, is there a distinction between watching a video, and saving it to your hard drive.

  64. Sneaker Net Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have been thinking off a "sneaker-net-day". One day per year, people copy all your music/movies (or as much as you can) on an external drive, go to their buddy's place and they exchange all their music/movies/etc.. If enough people do this and with different buddies, it would make a big impact.

  65. Why don't the MAFIAA do *this* instead? by DJ+Particle · · Score: 1

    ...a monthly fee added to your internet bill, say an extra $10-$20/month, sent straight to them.

    To cover unlimited downloading of movies and music, no matter where you get them from on the net.

    Some countries do that model already, the effect being their 'net users don't have to worry about what they're downloading or uploading

    Why is that so hard?

  66. Re:Bye Bye free Wirless at Starbucks, McDonalds... by MozeeToby · · Score: 1

    If supposedly 50% of people pirate just software [slashdot.org], that alone will result in the ISPs only having 50% of their current income.
    Throw music and movies into the mix, and it would not surprise me if that number was over 75%.

    It's even worse than that. If there are an average of 4 regular users on a given home internet connection (which doesn't seem unreasonable), there's only a 1/16 chance that none of them are pirating something if you go by raw averages. What do you think they'll say when they realize they've sent out 3rd, 4th, and 5th warnings to 90% of their customers?

  67. Who are these "other ISPs"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No article ever names who these "other ISPs" are!

  68. Two words: GREED and CONTROL by fallen1 · · Score: 1

    They want a constant revenue stream that grows larger and larger and larger that they can control. For that monthly fee to really work in the United States, all files available would have to have no DRM on them and we, the People, would want to be able to time-shift, format-shift, stream, media-shift, device shift, and in all other ways manipulate the file that we BOUGHT. Not rented, not have a license for, not paid for by us and controlled by them - BOUGHT. Period. We, the people who paid our hard-earned money for it, owns it.

    The MAFIAA doesn't want that. Ever. It removes their ability to "monetize their products" and gives the People too much power.

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    1. Re:Two words: GREED and CONTROL by DJ+Particle · · Score: 1

      So their greed won't see the words "guaranteed revenue stream for life"? I find that hard to believe.

    2. Re:Two words: GREED and CONTROL by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      they already have revenue stream for life.

      that's why they're selling cable and internet - and making the programs you watch on cable - so they can sell it later on demand viewing and later on bluray. they can -and have and will- just jack up the cable and internet pricing up those 10-20 bucks.

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  69. Re:Capitalism is garbage! by Fjandr · · Score: 1

    Yup. Idealist leaders are usually easy to manipulate (either directly or indirectly, depending on their particular brand) so they can't keep a consolidated power base for long. It's so much easier to gain power if you're willing and able to break legs and crack skulls. That's why real communism will never, ever work on a large scale.

  70. Re:Bye Bye free Wirless at Starbucks, McDonalds... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope no one is using my mac ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff

  71. Re:Bye Bye free Wirless at Starbucks, McDonalds... by oxdas · · Score: 2

    In Linux at least, changing your mac address is trivial (ifconfig "device name" hw ether "new mac address"). The problem with that, and everything else they are doing, is that the real criminals will still be two steps ahead of the law, but the common people (their best customers) will pay. Crazy long-term business plan.

  72. Re:Bye Bye free Wirless at Starbucks, McDonalds... by oxdas · · Score: 1

    you can get more creative than that. How about ca.5a.b1.66.b0.0b or fe.ce.5b.a5.eb.al

    (1 = i or l, 5 = s, 6 = g)

  73. Re:Bye Bye free Wirless at Starbucks, McDonalds... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Haven't you realized that's what they want? To shut down the Internet?

    The ISPs don't want client and host money?

  74. Re:Capitalism is garbage! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Heh, the "Fourth International" never led any revolutions. Bunch of armchair do-nothing wankers.

  75. Re:Bye Bye free Wirless at Starbucks, McDonalds... by Endo13 · · Score: 1

    The other person who responded to you is absolutely correct. And due to that, even the mac addresses that ship on hardware aren't 100% unique. They've had to start reusing them already.

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  76. WEP backdoor by Compaqt · · Score: 1

    Do you have any more information or links regarding this backdoor?

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    1. Re:WEP backdoor by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 1

      Wasn't WEP (which has low level encryption, brute forcing can do it) but WPS. A flaw in the protocol makes what should be a hard to guess 8 digit pass-number into two 4 digit pass-numbers, several orders of magnitude easier to crack (brute force)

      See: http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/723755

  77. They could by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They could, but if you have any sense, you encrypt your data streams.

    The ISPs don't know anything except you're transferring a lot of data.

  78. Typical semi-trolling response here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You actually think any of that hardware from the 90s is still in operation, or hasn't been rebuilt / replaced / upgraded?

    (semi-trolling)

  79. Democrats, too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not sure why you don't include Democrats in your rant, since this was the "compromise" that was quietly worked on by Obama even before SOPA.

  80. Re:Thanks for rem= inding me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i've got an idea, allow users to download for free all the legally free-to-download movies/music/software/games/apps. I mean...you don't charge those "free" downloads to their bandwidth. Anything else apart from this list of (ummm let's say 1 million files) will be charged to your bandwidth usage meter. No more unlimited speeds.

    This will make people download more legal stuff, coz not only is the item free but the transport of that item is also free. Free product. Free shipping. Why would i want to steal after that?

  81. Rant-on you dogma-how Anonymous Coward by OldHawk777 · · Score: 1

    Anonymous Coward's never have anything interesting to think, feel, or say.

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