Axis, Yahoo's New Browser

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Posted by samzenpus on Wednesday May 23, 2012 @04:34PM from the new-kid-on-the-block dept.

markjhood2003 writes "Fresh on the heels of Slashdot's discussion of the lack of browser choice on mobile devices comes the announcement of Yahoo's new web browser Axis. According to VentureBeat, the browser runs on iPad and iPhone as a separate standalone browser and as an extension for Chrome, Firefox, and Safari, with support for Android and Windows Phone coming soon. It actually appears to bring some innovation to mobile search, displaying results and queries on the same page for more productive navigation between the two."

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That is cool, but... by bonch · 2012-05-23 16:37 · Score: 4, Insightful

That search result display is actually really cool. I'd love to see that in other browsers (including desktop browsers). The problem is Yahoo's track record is poor when it comes to updating their products. For instance, Yahoo Mail is embarrassingly behind other web mail services. If Yahoo treats this like they treat their other products, I can't help wondering if it will just become another obsolete Yahoo thing.
1. Re:That is cool, but... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-23 16:54 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  someone didn't take her meds today
2. Re:That is cool, but... by ThunderBird89 · 2012-05-23 17:10 · Score: 1, Interesting
  
  I wouldn't say Yahoo Mail is behind others. I have a Yahoo address, and I'm very pleased with the interface and the service, more so than with Gmail. They offer 500 fully functional disposable email addresses for SPAM decoys, unlimited storage space (not just very large and increasing, like in Gmail), keyboard shortcuts (something Gmail doesn't support at all) and tabs on the interface, so I can have several messages composing at once (again, no such thing in Gmail), and folders (very important for me, very useful, and not present at all in Gmail).
  And, for some reason, maybe because I've had my address since ~1995, I've received a free upgrade to Mail Plus, so I have very few reasons to complain. :)
  Certainly, there are some quirks, such as only counting unread messages in the root folder in the unread total, but I've reported that, and will report it again. Plus, it's not such a bad thing that I can't live without it...
  If anything, Yahoo is still the best web-based email service out there, outshining Gmail, which has Android integration on its side to make up for its shortcomings in the mail section.
  
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3. Re:That is cool, but... by Loosifur · 2012-05-23 17:23 · Score: 0
  
  ...can I mod this "-1 ...whoa..."?
  
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4. Re:That is cool, but... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-23 17:31 · Score: 5, Informative
  
  keyboard shortcuts (something Gmail doesn't support at all)
  http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=6594
  
  tabs on the interface, so I can have several messages composing at once (again, no such thing in Gmail)
  Click the button in the upper-right to detach the "Compose Mail" dialog into a new window, then click "Compose Mail" again and voila, you will be composing two messages simultaneously.
  
  folders (very important for me, very useful, and not present at all in Gmail)
  Labels are strictly more powerful than folders especially now that gmail has nested labels: http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2011/06/superstars-and-nested-labels-now.html.
  Spend at least 5 seconds googling, or, umm, yahooing, before complaining.
5. Re:That is cool, but... by DMUTPeregrine · 2012-05-23 17:36 · Score: 5, Informative
  
  Gmail aliases are unlimited. Not just 500. If you are more paranoid than average you can use a second address set to auto-forward as the base. That makes it take about as much setup as Yahoo's version.
  Gmail has keyboard shortcuts.
  Yahoo!'s storage space isn't unlimited, they just don't tell you the cap.
  You can detach the "compose mail" dialog to a separate window. You can make as many windows as you wish (or until you window manager/browser crashes.)
  If you only use one label per message then labels are identical to folders. Otherwise they have a strict superset of folder functionality (a message can have >1 label, but can only be in 1 folder.)
  
  What, exactly, does Yahoo! have that Gmail doesn't have? Other! Than! Excessive! Punctuation!
  
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6. Re:That is cool, but... by ThatsMyNick · 2012-05-23 17:39 · Score: 2
  
  I still use Yahoo email too, though its not my primary one. The only place I find yahoo lacking is in spam detection. I have seen legitimate mail classified as spam and spam making it to the inbox. This has never happened with Gmail (in the last one year, I cannot recollect this happening even once). I understand your preference for the Yahoo Interface and its unlimited Storage. Everything else, though, is available in Gmail. Gmail does support keyboard shortcuts (this might be part of the "Gmail labs" features though, I am not sure). Gmail calls Folders as Labels. I find labels more useful as I can tag the same email under multiple labels. You can create unlimited spam decoys in Gmail too, just use "youremailid+arandomstring@gmail.com"
7. Re:That is cool, but... by aardvarkjoe · 2012-05-23 17:49 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  You can create unlimited spam decoys in Gmail too, just use "youremailid+arandomstring@gmail.com"
  This feature is worthless as a spam decoy strategy, as anyone can use it to find your real address. I would be amazed if spammers don't already strip off the "+whatever" from gmail addresses, and those that don't would certainly start if any appreciable number of people used it. It's got its uses, but spam prevention isn't among them.
  I wonder why Google hasn't stepped up to supply actual disposable email addresses yet. It doesn't seem like a difficult feature to add, and would have a lot of value to their users.
  
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8. Re:That is cool, but... by Cinder6 · 2012-05-23 18:32 · Score: 2
  
  Not to mention a lot of sites "helpfully" say that your +whatever address is invalid.
  
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9. Re:That is cool, but... by galaad2 · 2012-05-23 18:42 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  What, exactly, does Yahoo! have that Gmail doesn't have? Other! Than! Excessive! Punctuation!
  well, there's one thing: yahoo mail has stupid and obnoxious graphical ads, sometimes with flash&sound and sometimes the ads expand to fill the page if you accidentally mouse over them (happened to me a month ago when i was installing a new computer and i didn't had time to install AdBlock Plus. ABP was the first thing i installed after that).
  Gmail only has text ads and those are not even remotely as annoying as the crap that yahoo shows.
  
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10. Re:That is cool, but... by mug+funky · 2012-05-23 18:45 · Score: 0
  
  stop at the first sentence. the rest is FUD.
  i like the modpoints you got from your silent sockpuppets though.
11. Re:That is cool, but... by smash · 2012-05-23 18:55 · Score: 1, Informative
  
  well yeah, plus signs don't work with all SMTP daemons.
  
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12. Re:That is cool, but... by galaad2 · 2012-05-23 18:56 · Score: 5, Informative
  
  This feature is worthless as a spam decoy strategy, as anyone can use it to find your real address. I would be amazed if spammers don't already strip off the "+whatever" from gmail addresses,
  [...]
  I wonder why Google hasn't stepped up to supply actual disposable email addresses yet
  oh, but they do have that but it's a bit hidden and it's only available via Apps for hosted domains. (even free apps has it).
  The way to set this up is to host your domain (or at least the mail receiving functions of it) with Google Apps and then you can set up the email service to accept wildcard emails, *@your-domain-hosted-on-google-apps_dot_anything.
  Now whenever you give out an address just invent one on the spot @your domain and it will be valid. I do this and i got into the habit of throwing a date stamp and the name of whoever it is for into the email address itself so that if i start receiving spam for that address i know who leaked it and when they were assigned that address. Such an address usually looks like: mail-for-my-name-from-slashdot-org-20120524@example.com
  And since my domain is set up at Gmail with a wildcard catch-all address, that will be routed to my actual mailbox (only if it passes Gmail spam filtering tests).
  
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13. Re:That is cool, but... by hairyfeet · 2012-05-23 19:06 · Score: 4, Interesting
  
  Did you ever think that maybe, just maybe...yahoo mail users LIKE the current UI? The damned "everything is a chat" crap in Gmail is why i only use it for places like this (where the most I will be talking to someone is a single reply and i don't care about spam) while i use my yahoo for family and friends precisely BECAUSE of the UI. Thanks to its classic folders design i can have my mail nicely sorted just the way I like with a minimum of hassle and the same can be said of my customers.
  BTW here is something that will bake the noodles of the geeks here, you know what from working on PCs 6 days a week i've found to be the most popular home page by a loooong shot? Yahoo.com, that's right, the web portal page that so many of us hate. The reason why is it has replaced the traditional paper for most folks, hell I even installed a separate browser just for my GF so when she is staying the weekend she can have everything just like at home, with all her bookmarks and her Yahoo portal. She has her little morning ritual where she opens the portal, glances through the headlines, checks her mail before moving on to her FB games.
  So frankly I'd say the problem is NOT the mail or the portal at Yahoo and if I were in charge, hell if anybody that had a brain were in charge they could turn it around. How? Advertise. Playing around with the portal i found there is a ton of neat stuff there that frankly most don't know anything about. anybody try yahoo games? they have a ton of time wasters. they have got sports, comedy, a ton of really nice stuff, its just hidden way down on the far left bar in small print. That is STUPID. they should be highlighting a different one on the portal each week and making them easy to see and showing people how to get to them.
  They have all the right pieces there, they just need someone to show them how to market all this stuff to the masses and build some buzz. Like I said my GF starts with the portal every morning and even she didn't know they offered a ton of free games, but now that i have showed her where they are she and her GFs all have a blast playing all the little flash games. just advertise Yahoo, show folks what you have.
  
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14. Re:That is cool, but... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-23 19:16 · Score: 0
  
  ROFL, "the AC" as if it isn't you, Rui.
15. Re:That is cool, but... by ThatsMyNick · 2012-05-23 19:40 · Score: 1
  
  You and your GF should try iGoogle, and its widgets. I am willing to bet that you/she will like it better than the Yahoo portal. Yahoo sports is a good one, I dont think there is a replacement in Google, but you still can add a widget from your favourite sports website to iGoogle and be done with it.
  
  I agree about the yahoo interface, I am pretty much torn in between Yahoo and Gmail interfaces.
16. Re:That is cool, but... by Kalriath · 2012-05-23 19:53 · Score: 1
  
  Really? And you have actual evidence that this person is receiving monetary compensation, as opposed to simply... oh, I don't know... being a rabid fanboy much like yourself?
  You don't? Oh, how surprising.
  
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17. Re:That is cool, but... by Kalriath · 2012-05-23 19:54 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  They should. The RFC says so.
  
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18. Re:That is cool, but... by TomC2 · 2012-05-23 20:05 · Score: 1
  
  oh, but they do have that but it's a bit hidden and it's only available via Apps for hosted domains. (even free apps has it).
  The way to set this up is to host your domain (or at least the mail receiving functions of it) with Google Apps and then you can set up the email service to accept wildcard emails, *@your-domain-hosted-on-google-apps_dot_anything.
  Now whenever you give out an address just invent one on the spot @your domain and it will be valid. I do this and i got into the habit of throwing a date stamp and the name of whoever it is for into the email address itself so that if i start receiving spam for that address i know who leaked it and when they were assigned that address. Such an address usually looks like: mail-for-my-name-from-slashdot-org-20120524@example.com
  And since my domain is set up at Gmail with a wildcard catch-all address, that will be routed to my actual mailbox (only if it passes Gmail spam filtering tests).
  I do that, but it is limited in its usefulness because there is not a simple way of then killing off one of those addresses that you have made up on the spot. Eventually if spam to all these made up addresses becomes a problem, you have to turn off the catch-all address to stop the spam coming through. Which then means you have to actually set up another account or group in Google Apps each time you want an extra address, which is a lot less quick and easy.
19. Re:That is cool, but... by Sulphur · 2012-05-23 20:20 · Score: 1
  
  Shut the fuck up you piece of shit troll. Aren't you still licking your wounds from slashing your wrists over the google oracle verdict today?
  Who is Google Oracle?
20. Re:That is cool, but... by galaad2 · 2012-05-23 20:31 · Score: 3, Informative
  
  I do that, but it is limited in its usefulness because there is not a simple way of then killing off one of those addresses that you have made up on the spot. Eventually if spam to all these made up addresses becomes a problem, you have to turn off the catch-all address to stop the spam coming through. Which then means you have to actually set up another account or group in Google Apps each time you want an extra address, which is a lot less quick and easy.
  point taken but i don't usually give such an address to any site. I use mailinator.com / bugmenot.com for random junk like reading nytimes.com or stuff like that.
  The Gmail wildcard is useful for sites you want to receive stuff from but these sites are not trusted/appreciated enough to give them a proper email address. Also, in order not to fill up my main email account, i have a separate, dedicated account@my domain and that one is the target of the wildcard, not my main account.
  To access that quickly, I set up account access delegation rights between the wildcard-reception account and my main account.
  If one of the made-up addresses starts receiving spam i can always set a filter to delete that email as soon as it arrives (usually i just filter it with a label for sending to spamcop) and (usually) the owner of the site it was initially intended for will get a spam & abuse complaint sent on all contact email addresses i can find (via whois and their site)
  
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21. Re:That is cool, but... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-23 20:36 · Score: 0
  
  There's a mailing list/group list (I forget exactly what it is called). You can create such a group with the email address attracting spam and restrict posting to members (and have no members in the group). That way you can ignore certain email addresses. Another option is to have a spam account and add aliases if you really want to read/check your spam every now and then.
22. Re:That is cool, but... by hairyfeet · 2012-05-23 20:49 · Score: 2
  
  Why? What does it offer that Yahoo doesn't? my GF loves her yahoo Portal because even when she is staying with me its set to her home town (she had to move an hour and a half away to take care of her dad after a heart attack) so that she gets all her local headlines, it has her games and her email, like I said to her and many like her it has replaced the morning paper.
  So I don't even see a point in trying iGoogle and frankly after their changes in their privacy terms (and the whole pushing of more social crap) I'm frankly leery of using Google any more than I have to. besides it isn't like my GF would ever give up her FB for Google+ and with Yahoo it seems to play nice with FB (you can even log in with FB if you like) and between those two sites she is happy. And if there is one thing I have learned friend its that when your woman is happy? Do NOT rock the boat!
  
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23. Re:That is cool, but... by Ambvai · 2012-05-23 20:57 · Score: 2
  
  The last oracle I spoke to said: "For a good time engrave `Elbereth'."
24. Re:That is cool, but... by RealTime · 2012-05-23 21:00 · Score: 2
  I do that, but it is limited in its usefulness because there is not a simple way of then killing off one of those addresses that you have made up on the spot.
  
  1) Navigate to "The Gear" > Settings > Filters > Create a new filter .
  2) Put the disposable, made-up email address in the To field of the form.
  3) Select Create filter with this search . (Check the correctness of the filter via the search results that appear.)
  4) Select the Delete it checkbox (and maybe some others, such as Mark as read ...).
  5) Select the Create filter button.
  You will no longer see any more of the emails from that disposable made-up email address. Enjoy!
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25. Re:That is cool, but... by ThatsMyNick · 2012-05-23 21:19 · Score: 1
  
  iGoogle is similar to Yahoo Portal, it lets you view your email (gmail only), news, weather. In additon to these, it also allows you to add widgets from other websites. I used to have a widget from my local news website, and one from my favourite sport news website. This as far as I know, cannot be done in Yahoo Portal. Google+ (Google's social network) is optional, you need not signup for it. Otherwise, I think privacy implications are the same. I agree with not rocking the boat, but if you are actively looking for a better portal and email bundle, I think its worth a look.
26. Re:That is cool, but... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-23 21:27 · Score: 0
  
  What, exactly, does Yahoo! have that Gmail doesn't have? Other! Than! Excessive! Punctuation!
  and from a third party mail server point of view the Yahoo servers suck balls. They may drop legitimate e-mails form smaller outfits and when you try to contact them about white listing you get a webmail support drone asking for your Yahoo e-mail account info.
  Yahoo needs to die!
27. Re:That is cool, but... by DrXym · 2012-05-23 21:27 · Score: 1
  
  Yahoo Mail has a fairly reasonable UI these days but the spam filtering, or rather the lack of it makes it subpar compared to other services. Not a day passes without various spams and phishing emails getting through. If GMail manages to filter this crap out, I don't understand why Y! Mail cannot.
28. Re:That is cool, but... by waferbuster · 2012-05-23 21:40 · Score: 1
  
  I have my Google Apps email set up this way, with wildcards. When I start getting spam, all I do is change my email address with the originating site, and set up a filter using the To: field. Send that spam straight to the trash folder. I've been able to identify several breaches of companies email lists using this wildcarding setup, and it's always fun to call the company and let them know that their customer email list has been hacked... Usually it's the little mom and pop companies, but sometimes it's medium sized businesses.
  Of course, sometimes it's my own fault... once I was silly enough to post on an eBay forum. The forum automatically attached my email (ebay@mydomain.com). Within a matter of minutes, I started getting huge amounts of spam for listiing software, and "Your ebay account has been blocked, please click this link andlogin to verify your account" type of crap. 6+ years later, I'm still getting spam to that account, but it automatically get captured by a filter and sent straight to the trash folder.
  The one I haven't figured out is how to filter by characterset. For some reason, I get tons of russian spam to various random accounts at my domain, all of which Google catches and tosses into my spam folder. Since I don't speak russian, if I could just filter on some common russian words (watch, viagra, cialis, penis, manly, etc) I could keep my spam folder even less cluttered.
  
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29. Re:That is cool, but... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-23 21:50 · Score: 0
  
  Not to mention that I have seen many computers with Yahoo Bar for IE and Firefox that crashes the browser.
30. Re:That is cool, but... by Hentes · 2012-05-23 22:11 · Score: 1
  
  Google has been doing predictive search and result display for a while now. There's nothing new in this, just keeping up with the competition.
31. Re:That is cool, but... by a_hanso · 2012-05-23 22:22 · Score: 1
  
  I agree. My wife does the exact same thing. I use Google News to stay up to date but it's like drinking from a fire hose. She always seem to get to the most relevant stories first via Yahoo. However I *have* managed to get her to switch over to GMail.
32. Re:That is cool, but... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-23 23:16 · Score: 0
  
  The piece of shit sockpuppet troll is karma whoring to try to bring the account back to positive. Burson Marsteller paid a lot of Microsoft money for that account.
33. Re:That is cool, but... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-23 23:53 · Score: 0
  
  Those sites are probably building marketing profiles to combine with other companies. Having to strip the + is an extra cost of business. The only other reason to block them is maybe it makes spam protection on their end difficult. Maybe.
  Someone using a plus sign is more likely to be using a real email address. The plus sign means yes, I have a non-expiring gmail address that I am concerned with organizing.
34. Re:That is cool, but... by hairyfeet · 2012-05-24 00:05 · Score: 2
  
  One thing is for sure, they fail at security when it comes to this thing when you consider they have already had to disable the Chrome extension because it leaked its private cert. While i prefer yahoo for my email...geez, you think they would have done a little beta testing before passing this thing out. Hell according to CNet the ToS is a fricking placeholder!
  
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35. Re:That is cool, but... by AvitarX · 2012-05-24 00:07 · Score: 1
  
  It used to have the ability to display oldest first.
  I really wish google had that, search a name, reverse sort order).
  also, I wish gmail had the ability to remove atrchwments, but keep the mail, don't know if yahoo does.
  
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36. Re:That is cool, but... by ThunderBird89 · 2012-05-24 00:14 · Score: 1
  
  You can detach the "compose mail" dialog to a separate window. You can make as many windows as you wish (or until you window manager/browser crashes.)
  And if I want all my mail tabs in one window/tab, not every mail in a new tab? And labels are still displayed in the main inbox, while Yahoo folders take the message out of the root folder, so in the inbox, I only see unsorted messages. Granted, those total some 400 for me, but my point still stands, since other folders run into the 10,000s. All those messages in Gmail would make browsing almost impossible, unless I used the search box, which could strip context (one of my friends has an email provider who strips out the reply, so Gmail can't thread the messages like with others).
  I like Google as much as the next guy, but for me, personally, Yahoo Mail is a better choice. I stand by my point that Gmail's strongest feature is the Android/Google integration (and maybe the puritan default UI), but in everything else, Yahoo has things down pat.
  
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37. Re:That is cool, but... by ShieldW0lf · 2012-05-24 00:24 · Score: 1
  
  The last oracle I spoke to said: "For a good time engrave `Elbereth'."
  She lied. You wouldn't get laid by the sluttiest succubus on earth if you did that.
  
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38. Re:That is cool, but... by anti-pop-frustration · 2012-05-24 00:24 · Score: 2
  
  I too, like the Yahoo Mail UI (and use it), however:
  
  - pop3 access is for paying customers only ("free" pop3 servers are only accessible through ip assigned to mobile networks)
  - if you use their "forward" option to forward your mail to another address, then you can't use pop3 anymore (true story)
  - No Imap option *even for paying customers*
  - Unlike Gmail, Yahoo doesn't warn you if somebody logs in to your webmail from an unusual ip, they also don't offer anything like a list of recent login ip.
  - And worst of it all: Yahoo still doesn't offer https. They only offer https login, which is a joke security wise, as sessions can be hijack with something as trivial as a browser plug in.
  
  I could swallow a few things, like no imap which is only a sign of how technically obsolete Yahoo mail is, but the inadequate level of security is really Yahoo taking a giant shit on the head of their users.
39. Re:That is cool, but... by TomC2 · 2012-05-24 00:27 · Score: 1
  
  Good point, many thanks!
40. Re:That is cool, but... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-24 00:47 · Score: 1
  
  Firefox tab groups.
  Filters with "skip inbox" set.
  Seriously, gmail beats yahoo in every possible way.
41. Re:That is cool, but... by Roujo · 2012-05-24 01:11 · Score: 2
  
  You can Archive messages in Gmail, which removes them from your Inbox. Regarding Labels, you can either add a label to a message in your inbox, which simply tags it, or you can use the Move To option to tag it and remove it from your Inbox. The More You Know. =)
42. Re:That is cool, but... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-24 01:25 · Score: 0
  
  I tried composing multiple emails in Yahoo and couldn't find a way to compose two NEW emails at once. Sure, I could reply to multiple people but I couldn't find a way to start two new messages at once. So it looks like Gmail *IS* superior in this regard.
  As for labels and the inbox, you know that you can just "Archive" emails to remove them from the inbox, right? Apply lable, archive, presto, done. So your point about folders in yahoo definitely does not stand.
  But hey, use what you like, just don't make stuff up to justify it
43. Re:That is cool, but... by reiko13 · 2012-05-24 01:33 · Score: 1
  
  What, exactly, does Yahoo! have that Gmail doesn't have? Other! Than! Excessive! Punctuation!
  Mail stationery. http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/gmail/3tbpqlWw3CI
44. Re:That is cool, but... by Billly+Gates · 2012-05-24 01:46 · Score: 1
  
  Everything is behind in Yahoo.
  This is how Google took over. The last updates to Yahoo Groups crippled them. They were behind controlling spammers from ruining them too. If they kept innovating rather than being complacent in the search engine market Google would not have beat them. They could have used similiar techniques to stay at least level with Google and could have owned 50% of the market now with Google.
  I do not know if management lacked vision or the accountants and beancounters had too much power? Either way they ended up like SCO (not SCO group), RealPlayer, Borland, and many others. Had a nice product but let it go stale. Right now we see Microsoft, Java, and others going a similiar route which in 10 years will see the full results.
  In the IT field you keep innovating or you die. Yahoo was great in 1999, but by 2004 it lost its way. Can it recover? Who knows as this seems desperate.
  Apple is the only company I can think of that recovered from going to stale. IBM kind of left the computer market and become a consulting company instead but I guess they became ahead but by being innovative contractors instead.
  
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45. Re:That is cool, but... by ThunderBird89 · 2012-05-24 01:55 · Score: 2
  
  But hey, use what you like, just don't make stuff up to justify it
  Hey, I listed completely, totally subjective points (IMHO). Maybe I didn't tag them as "In my opinion", but they are. Like I said, I like Gmail too, for its strong integration mainly, but I use Yahoo because I find it better for me.
  
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46. Re:That is cool, but... by Jeremiah+Cornelius · 2012-05-24 02:16 · Score: 1
  
  Zoho blows everything Yahoo has done out of the water. Never heard of it? It's business oriented - and has NO ADS embedded in its presentation. It's IMAP access from the word go - and you can map your DNS to it with an MX and TXT record - so you get AJAX web-mail with integrated calendar and business tools, without looking like lovebags00027.
  Yahoo blew their Zimbra acquisition. "Social Integration" destroyed the experience for me - as it did for Hottmail. GMail? Don't start me on that!
  
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47. Re:That is cool, but... by crazyjj · 2012-05-24 02:29 · Score: 1
  
  The problem is Yahoo's track record is poor when it comes to updating their products.
  Nonsense, I'm sure whoever happens to be Yahoo's CEO this week will provide the leadership and vision to keep this on track.
  
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  What political party do you join when you don't like Bible-thumpers *or* hippies?
48. Re:That is cool, but... by mcgrew · 2012-05-24 02:32 · Score: 1
  
  The problem is Yahoo's track record is poor when it comes to updating their products.
  IMO, Yahoo's problem is bloat. Our work computers are getting pretty long in the tooth, more than three tabs open with Yahoo News bogs the poor old thing down badly. I've never seen a well designed Yahoo product (that said, I prefer their email to Gmail. Gmail locked out my mcgrew@gmail.com account because there was a typo when I signed up, they took it away when I tried to change passwords).
  As to updating products, I think way too many products "update" too much, simply changing the interface around so you need to relearn it, with few or no added useful features to the "upgrade".
  An "upgrade" that degrades performance is hardly an upgrade at all.
  
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49. Re:That is cool, but... by Urza9814 · 2012-05-24 02:32 · Score: 1
  
  Hmmm. This is a new spam decoy method I wasn't familiar with; Appears Google has numerous ways of doing it. You can also insert periods anywhere into the front of your address. Not quite the same thing, but that will give you a number of extra addresses (depending on the length of your username) that spammers probably won't be smart enough to notice.
50. Re:That is cool, but... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-24 02:33 · Score: 0
  
  A sock puppet with a 5 digit UID? Are you sure he's not just an MS employee? I mean, I'm sure there are some Linux people here too who are about as objective the other way around.
51. Re:That is cool, but... by jader3rd · 2012-05-24 02:45 · Score: 1
  
  Yahoo! Mail has yet to be able to handle .ics calendar invites. A fact that I find holds us all back.
52. Re:That is cool, but... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-24 02:46 · Score: 0
  
  IIRC, the RFC also says that the username portion of the address should be case-sensitive. How many servers actually do that?
53. Re:That is cool, but... by jader3rd · 2012-05-24 02:48 · Score: 1
  
  Did you ever think that maybe, just maybe...yahoo mail users LIKE the current UI?
  
  Nope. After having asked all of my relatives who use Yahoo! they don't mind the current UI, and if anything are just afraid of change.
54. Re:That is cool, but... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-24 02:49 · Score: 0
  
  No Imap option *even for paying customers*
  Untrue. It's not advertised or even mentioned (and so, subject to going away at any time), but imap.mail.yahoo.com works just fine over SSL.
55. Re:That is cool, but... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-24 02:58 · Score: 1
  
  Sorry, but labels suck and are painful to work with over IMAP. In my opinion, they marketed them as "the new better way" because hierarchical structure didn't fit their data model. They're really a cop-out.
56. Re:That is cool, but... by Tom · 2012-05-24 03:01 · Score: 1
  
  well, there's one thing: yahoo mail has stupid and obnoxious graphical ads,
  
  There are ads on the Internet?
  
  i didn't had time to install AdBlock Plus.
  Oh, I see.
  
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57. Re:That is cool, but... by X0563511 · 2012-05-24 03:05 · Score: 1
  
  Works just fine for me. Seamonkey (therefore thunderbird) handles labels via IMAP just fine.
  
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58. Re:That is cool, but... by X0563511 · 2012-05-24 03:07 · Score: 1
  
  gmail's spam filtering is pretty damn awesome for me, as well.
  Very few false negatives, and only a handful of false positives (but when I look at it objectively, I'd imagine the majority of users would consider such newsletters as spam).
  
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59. Re:That is cool, but... by X0563511 · 2012-05-24 03:08 · Score: 1
  
  I applaud the appropriateness (and truthiness) of your signature.
  
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60. Re:That is cool, but... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-24 03:08 · Score: 0
  
  Yeah, look how many times Microsoft and Linux are mentioned in that comment.... idiots.
61. Re:That is cool, but... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-24 03:09 · Score: 0
  
  Privacy implications the same? You've got to be kidding me. Nearly every page you browse to lets Google know you are there and where you came from, using iGoogle just allows them to tie your browsing habits with your personal information associated with your account and email.
62. Re:That is cool, but... by Khashishi · 2012-05-24 03:09 · Score: 1
  
  If you need more than 500 email addresses you are doing something illegal.
63. Re:That is cool, but... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-24 04:27 · Score: 0
  
  Nobody's paying me anything. My karma already ranges from Good to Excellent. I wrote a recent anti-Microsoft post that got modded down as Flamebait, so if anyone is getting paid by Microsoft, it's the moderators.
  You've been cyberstalking my posts and making these accusations for over a year to no effect. You're borderline psychotic.
  - bonch
64. Re:That is cool, but... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-24 04:50 · Score: 0
  
  "My karma already ranges from Good to Excellent."
  Largely because you do shady shit like post AC when you think you are going to get modded down, like you did here. Which makes you look guilty as hell, and dishonest as well.
65. Re:That is cool, but... by ifwm · 2012-05-24 04:51 · Score: 1
  
  for over a year to no effect.
  
  You're posting AC because you're afraid of the karma hit. Not really "no effect" like you claim there guy.
66. Re:That is cool, but... by box4831 · 2012-05-24 04:56 · Score: 1
  
  Unlike Gmail, Yahoo doesn't warn you if somebody logs in to your webmail from an unusual ip, they also don't offer anything like a list of recent login ip.
  You can do this in Yahoo mail under Account Info -> Recent Login Activity. It can show either location or the IP address, selectable by a dropdown box. I believe there is a little alert icon that lights up under notifications (the little bell icon on top right) if there is suspicious access. The notification describes the issue and tells you how to view the recent logins as well.
  
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67. Re:That is cool, but... by hobarrera · 2012-05-24 06:06 · Score: 3
  
  folders (very important for me, very useful, and not present at all in Gmail)
  Labels are strictly more powerful than folders especially now that gmail has nested labels: http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2011/06/superstars-and-nested-labels-now.html.
  Spend at least 5 seconds googling, or, umm, yahooing, before complaining.
  Those "smart tags" make gmail a pain to use over IMAP, since you have lots of autogenerated folders, and deleting an email won't delete it, and moving it sometimes copies, sometimes moves. It's really a pain if you use any client which is not their own.
68. Re:That is cool, but... by hobarrera · 2012-05-24 06:07 · Score: 1
  
  The problem is the SMTP daemon, in this case, it's perfectly valid. Whoever wrote the daemon, didn't read the RFC.
69. Re:That is cool, but... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-24 06:14 · Score: 0
  
  Not unless she's blind, at least
70. Re:That is cool, but... by hairyfeet · 2012-05-24 06:23 · Score: 1
  
  But WHY would you consider this an accomplishment? this is what i don't get with the other guy pushing iGoogle, WHAT EXACTLY does she gain? Did her Yahoo Mail not work? Was there a problem? This whole line of argument is starting to smell like "All go to hell except Cave 76!" or treating corps like ballclubs you root for. if her Yahoo worked for her, why consider it "better" to put her on something different, just because it is owned by Google?
  So far I have seen NO compelling reason or function that would cause me to recommend one over the other and it seems like the only answer being given is "because its Google" but since i don't treat corps like ballclubs i don't give a crap about whether its Google or not, all i care about is "does it work?" and for my GF and many many others when it comes to the yahoo portal and email that answer is "yes it works just great and does what we want".
  So tell me friend, or better yet sell it to me, what great advantage did switching her from Yahoo mail to Gmail accomplish? To the other poster give me a reason why I should switch BOTH her email AND her portal over to Google, what does she gain from all that work? i don't care if its made by Google, that is NOT a reason in and of itself. So sell me, pretend i'm the customer, give me the reasons why Google products are better.
  
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71. Re:That is cool, but... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-24 06:39 · Score: 0
  
  Billy, Yahoo! wasn't great 1999, it was never great.
  And in 1999 it wasn't even relevant, you're about 5 years behind.
  I only knew 1 person back in 1995 who thought yahoo was good, and he also had to foresight to see that there was no future in web development because the automated tools would take care of it.
72. Re:That is cool, but... by uigrad_2000 · 2012-05-24 07:13 · Score: 1
  
  If you are more paranoid than average you can use a second address set to auto-forward as the base.
  
  Most people are not going to be familiar with the system enough to know what you mean by this. Google's FAQ will help:
  
  Gmail doesn't offer traditional aliases, but you can receive messages sent to your.username+any.alias@gmail.com. For example, messages sent to jane.doe+notes@gmail.com are delivered to jane.doe@gmail.com.
  
  Obviously any spammer can figure out that your real address is jane.doe@gmail.com with such a system. Your solution, to chain the alias account to a secondary real account to a primary real account does hide the primary address, but exposes the secondary address, which is just as bad. You can't close that down, or all your aliases stop working.
  I haven't used Yahoo!'s system, so I can't speak to whether or not it is better. The best approach is to use spamgourmet's service and watch words, which is essentially what Yahoo and Google were both copying in the first place. It will, of course, work with any email account. They explain watch words here:
  
  Watchwords (the new way) are similar except that they must be contained in the word for the new address to be created. They use regular expression matching (if you know what that is) so you can come up with all sorts of interesting approaches. For a simple example, if you have rope and soap as watchwords, these addresses would work:
  saddlesoap.4.spamcowboy@spamgourmet.com
  ouch-ropeburn.4.spamcowboy@spamgourmet.com
  but this would not:
  someotherword.4.spamcowboy@spamgourmet.com
  I've been using spamgourmet before gmail even existed, and am up to 609 created disposable addresses now. It's amazed me which retailers have sold off my address to spammers. For the record, Sony Online Entertainment and Sam's Club were the biggest surprises. I get "Viagra from Canada" spam from the addresses that I created specially for SOE and Sam's Club.
  I really do not know why spamgourmet never gets the attention that they deserve. It really is about the greatest free service I've ever found.
  
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73. Re:That is cool, but... by ThatsMyNick · 2012-05-24 09:26 · Score: 1
  
  I already replied to the other post; iGoogle is not limited to service offered by Google, while Yahoo Portal is, and gmail's spam detection is way better. These are the reason I prefer Gmail and iGoogle, while I still occasionally use Yahoo. If these do no matter to you, you should continue to use Yahoo, if not switch to Gmail.
74. Re:That is cool, but... by DMUTPeregrine · 2012-05-24 10:32 · Score: 1
  
  Yeah, use whatever works best for you. I made my post because it seemed you had some misconceptions about gmail, not to convince you to switch. With the way Yahoo! has been losing money I figured it might help to know how to get similar functionality out of gmail in case they go under.
  
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75. Re:That is cool, but... by DMUTPeregrine · 2012-05-24 10:33 · Score: 1
  
  And every user with a modicum of taste is thankful that gmail does not have that.
  
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76. Re:That is cool, but... by smash · 2012-05-24 13:59 · Score: 1
  
  Be that as it may, it doesn't alter the reality of ensuring your emails get delivered. The breakage is/was common enough that I've run into it previously. Ditto for the case sensitivity thing as mentioned above.
  
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77. Re:That is cool, but... by hairyfeet · 2012-05-24 14:12 · Score: 1
  
  I bet since they are pushing Google+ it isn't offering many if any FB widgets are they? As i said you can tie yahoo and FB together so if one uses FB a lot (as many of my customers and family do) then that's a no brainer. And what other widgets would she want that yahoo doesn't already have? games..got it, local news and sports? ditto. business? weather? hell even horoscopes if you are into that sort of thing? yep yep and uh huh.
  The simple fact is from what i've seen most users ARE NOT GEEKS therefor they don't need nor desire a bunch of external widgets. and if you already have your friends and family sending mail to your yahoo account you are either gonna have to send your yahoo mail to your gmail, or give them your new gmail address instead, again for no benefit. your final comments about google spam filtering is again subjective as most regular users simply aren't getting any spam in either email. hell i use email a hell of a lot and i honestly can't remember the last time i saw spam in my inbox, the only non family mail being sales fliers that i signed up for and want. And the only time I have to worry about a regular email getting flagged as spam is I have one little old lady customer that CAN'T SEEM TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO TYPE WITHOUT EVERYTHING BEING IN CAPS so i can't really blame yahoo for flagging her as spam, its her horrible writing style that is causing it.
  so I just don't see anything compelling enough to bother recommending one over the other. yahoo gives you 73 different widgets to choose from if the 26 default widgets isn't enough and they cover everything from chat to fantasy football. i just can't think of any use case where any of my customers would need more services for a start page than what yahoo already offers, sorry.
  
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78. Re:That is cool, but... by a_hanso · 2012-05-24 19:57 · Score: 1
  
  Whoa, take it easy there tiger. No product is best for everyone. She's seen all of Google's typical offerings and she chose only GMail because of its simplicity and speed (our connections aren't always the fastest). And I myself am not a indiscriminate Google/Linux/Android fan. I love Google Chrome, Docs and Maps but hate Google Reader, Plus and iGoogle, which is horrid. Google Calendar - dislike, Google Translate - like, Google News - good enough, but could be better. But that's just based on my own use cases. My wife's differ, and so would most other people's.
  The problem, I think, is not any company/technology stack being bad or good. It's about people not knowing how to choose the most appropriate tool or technology for the task at hand, regardless of where it comes from. Next, one has to try something out before passing it over. I tried Yahoo and it did not work for me. I tried Windows 7 and Ubuntu and the former worked for me. But I might take another look at Linux Mint. I tried Android and iOS and they both work for me, but Android phones are more reasonably priced. So there.
79. Re:That is cool, but... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-25 06:43 · Score: 0
  
  And you are doing... what exactly? Also posting AC, because you think you'll be modded down. Pot, meet kettle.
80. Re:That is cool, but... by cavebison · 2012-05-25 06:46 · Score: 1
  
  Gmail aliases are unlimited. Not just 500.
  I use Yahoo for all my disposable addresses, because Gmail's system is useless.
  a) The disposable address starts with your real address (youremail+alias), how daft is that?
  b) It uses the "+" sign, which is quite often rejected as an invalid character.
  Yahoo is the best system I know of for disposable addresses. The Yahoo account is forwarded to my Gmail account anyway, so it's the best of both worlds. It takes all of 10 seconds to create a new Yahoo disposable, and I can see them all in a list, which is a great reminder sometimes if I forget what I used for a particular site (though usually it's the same as the domain name).
81. Re:That is cool, but... by cavebison · 2012-05-25 06:51 · Score: 1
  
  oh, but they do have that but it's a bit hidden and it's only available via Apps for hosted domains
  God, waste of time, and requires you have your own domain name. Why not just create a Yahoo email account, and use their excellent disposable email system? Forward all the mail to your Gmail account. Best of both worlds.
  Yahoo allows you to actually *delete* a disposable address, so if it gets spammed, you just kill it. Also it shows you a list of what you've created, which is a great reminder if you forget one which wasn't obvious (usually I use the site's domain name).
  Admit it, Yahoo has the best disposable address system. :)
82. Re:That is cool, but... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-25 08:45 · Score: 0
  
  Actually, I have determined Ace Browser is the very best browser of all...but it isn't supported anymore. Go figure...it's the VERY FASTED LOADING BROWSER OF ALL. Try it and you will agree. JC
83. Re:That is cool, but... by ThatsMyNick · 2012-05-25 14:10 · Score: 1
  
  Actually I was wrong about Yahoo Mail widget. You can use yahoo mail and facebook in iGoogle. Hell there is even a widget for slashdot in iGoogle (I bet it is not part of the 73 yahoo widgets). Similarly, I would imagine there would be widgets that your GF likes and is not part of Yahoo Portal. This is frankly not designed for a geek, this is designed for people how want everything they like in their homepage (Me and my geekly friends prefer to get detailed information when we want it, and prefer to directly visit the website. So I dont think iGoogle/Yahoo Portal is targetted at geeks).
84. Re:That is cool, but... by DMUTPeregrine · 2012-05-25 15:18 · Score: 1
  
  Create second gmail account. Use aliases there. Have that forward to your primary account. You now have the same net effect as your second yahoo account, with the "base name" of the yahoo account's spam filtering replaced by the address of the secondary account.
  Or use Spamgourmet, which is what Yahoo's system is based off of. Or Mailinator, dudmail, or any of the many, many other such free services.
  My point was that a system exists to decoy spam in gmail, while ThunderBird89 seemed to think there was no such system.
  
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Huh... by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-23 16:37 · Score: 3, Funny

So Yahoo! is still making stuff, that's good to see. You can't fault them for trying to stay relevant.
Unfortunately I tried to download it and got redirected to... I'm not kidding... /null
Can we get a collective, "doh!"
1. Re:Huh... by Richard_at_work · 2012-05-23 18:52 · Score: 5, Interesting
  
  What's worse is that Yahoo have accidentally included their private signing key inside the Chrome extension, meaning anyone can now sign Chrome extensions as Yahoo....
2. Re:Huh... by Nova77 · 2012-05-23 19:34 · Score: 1
  
  D'oh!!
3. Re:Huh... by mwvdlee · 2012-05-23 19:45 · Score: 1
  
  I assume Google will revoke the key any second now?
  
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What's it for? by bit+trollent · 2012-05-23 16:37 · Score: 2, Funny

Is Axis the web browser for when you want the internet to fail, a shell of its former self?
1. Re:What's it for? by interkin3tic · 2012-05-23 18:55 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  I too was wondering what it's for. From the link: "Yahoo! Axis offers a faster, smarter search with instant answers and visual search previews."
  
  ... why do I need a new BROWSER for that? Google image search takes one extra tap. And the search engine in question is of course yahoo. I made the switch away from Yahoo a long time ago for better search engines. Don't really see a reason to go back: google is working fine. Is Yahoo going to respect my privacy more than google is? Because that's the one reason I could see for switching, but if they're not saying that to begin with...
  
  There is nothing else on the site save two ads. Anyone have a list of features this thing is supposed to have?
2. Re:What's it for? by mwvdlee · 2012-05-23 19:49 · Score: 1
  
  Axis search is searching for the "cool" kids; it shows you all the search results other people want to see (they call it "trending").
  Ofcourse the concept of trending search topics is completely safe from spammers, scammers and other marketeers.
  
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Wake me when it's ANTI-TEMPEST by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-23 16:39 · Score: 0

Why don't they try something new? I dunno, like maybe a new browser using ANTI-TEMPEST defenses including SAFE FONTS?
Oops by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-23 16:39 · Score: 0

Did Yahoo accidently put their cert private key in?
The Chrome Extension Leaks Yahoo Private Certifice by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-23 16:40 · Score: 5, Informative

http://nikcub.appspot.com/posts/yahoo-axis-chrome-extension-leaks-private-certificate-file
Yo dog by Osgeld · 2012-05-23 16:41 · Score: 5, Funny

I heard you like browsers, heres a browser that runs in a browser. Pimp it!
1. Re:Yo dog by PNutts · 2012-05-23 17:43 · Score: 1
  
  Bitches love browsers.
2. Re:Yo dog by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-23 19:48 · Score: 2, Informative
  
  Yo dog, i heard you like browsers, so we gonna put a browser inside your browser so you can browse while you browse.
  
  FTFY
3. Re:Yo dog by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-23 21:09 · Score: 0
  
  Pfft, I made browsers in browsers before they were cool.
Private Certificate File in Chrome Extension by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-23 16:43 · Score: 5, Informative

Nik Cubrilovic discovered that a private certificate file was left in the chrome extension source files:
http://nikcub.appspot.com/posts/yahoo-axis-chrome-extension-leaks-private-certificate-file
1. Re:Private Certificate File in Chrome Extension by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-23 17:27 · Score: 0
  
  That wily /. cabal!
2. Re:Private Certificate File in Chrome Extension by humanrev · 2012-05-23 17:30 · Score: 2
  
  Fucking amateurs. Seriously?
  
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3. Re:Private Certificate File in Chrome Extension by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-23 21:59 · Score: 0
  
  What are you talking about? I posted both times!
4. Re:Private Certificate File in Chrome Extension by kbolino · 2012-05-24 04:46 · Score: 1
  
  There is no such as a "private certificate". Certificates are inherently meant to be public. A certificate establishes identity. What was leaked is a private key.
The Axis? by DNS-and-BIND · 2012-05-23 16:47 · Score: 5, Funny

Will this new browser only be available in Germany, Italy, Japan, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, and Finland?

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1. Re:The Axis? by rossdee · 2012-05-23 17:57 · Score: 1
  
  That was 70 years ago, these days the enemy is "The Axis of Evil" (North Korea, Iran, Syria)
  Although Mitt thinks that the biggest enemy is "the Soviet Union" - I guess he was asleep in 1989)
2. Re:The Axis? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-23 17:57 · Score: 0
  
  You forgot Slovakia.
3. Re:The Axis? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-23 17:59 · Score: 0
  
  Will this new browser only be available in Germany, Italy, Japan ...
  I hear they are making advances into Poland. *rimshot*
4. Re:The Axis? by Luckyo · 2012-05-23 18:58 · Score: 1
  
  Only if you advance from the east. Else it's a slap in the face.
Axis? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-23 16:56 · Score: 0

Personally, I choose Allies over Axis...
oh I get it by slashmydots · 2012-05-23 17:03 · Score: 4, Funny

Their market research division apparently found out that people want a slower browsing experience that uses more data and takes up more of the screen. Oh, and it looks like they also determine that and a non-unique and thus totally SEO dead zone name "Axis" with Hitler and communism ties that can also be in the title of dozens of games and apps, making it app store camouflage, is the way to go. Good job! I hope it works out as well as the Facebook IPO.
lawsuit by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-23 17:04 · Score: 1

Wonder how long it will take Acerbis to sue for stealing their "A" logo?
1. Re:lawsuit by LiroXIV · 2012-05-23 17:15 · Score: 1
  
  You're wrong, it's going to be Abstergo suing. Either that, or Yahoo got secretly taken over by Templars. That'll explain it.
2. Re:lawsuit by GumphMaster · 2012-05-23 17:25 · Score: 1
  
  Perhaps not long, but it shouldn't last long in court unless they can show likely customer confusion between a browser and motorcycle accessories. The stylised "A" is not registered against any category like computer software. http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4007:e52vk0.2.1
  
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Release Code Names by reluctantjoiner · 2012-05-23 17:13 · Score: 3, Funny

Barbarossa, Sea Lion, The Rommel and maybe Mussolini for the Beta release?

(I didn't realise Finland was an Axis power; I thought it's fame in The War was due to being the only country simultaneously at war with both Ivan and Gerry.)

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1. Re:Release Code Names by Luckyo · 2012-05-23 18:57 · Score: 1
  
  It's fame is for being the only country that was assigned as a "client country" in Molotov-Ribbentrop that didn't get annexed in spite of two of some of the biggest military campaigns of the world war 2, including the single biggest concentration of artillery per kilometer of frontline.
  And then, there's of course this: https://secure.flickr.com/photos/suzymushu/3009425719/
  (Not my flickr, just the first hit on images.google.com for "finland be afraid").
2. Re:Release Code Names by Aggrajag · 2012-05-24 05:14 · Score: 1
  
  The fame came from Winter War where Finns beat the Soviets against overwhelming odds. Finland did not fight the Soviets and the Germans at the same time.
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War
Anyone else excited? by Lord_of_the_nerf · 2012-05-23 17:14 · Score: 5, Funny

I'm super excited that this relevant and forward thinking company is releasing a browser that will make me forget about using any other browser.
- Me from 1996
1. Re:Anyone else excited? by BradleyUffner · 2012-05-23 20:21 · Score: 1
  
  I'm super excited that this relevant and forward thinking company is releasing a browser that will make me forget about using any other browser.
  Except to use this browser you apparently have to run it as a plugin inside another browser.
2. Re:Anyone else excited? by wamatt · 2012-05-23 20:43 · Score: 1
  
  Pretty much sums it up for me too.
Wow by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-23 17:25 · Score: 1

Until I watched this video, I didn't know Beaker from the Muppets was based on a real person.
1. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-23 17:51 · Score: 1
  
  Until I watched this video, I didn't know Beaker from the Muppets was based on a real person.
  Visit *any* science lab *anywhere* in the universe...
  Beaker is a powerful archetype.
Screw the beach ball by Ukab+the+Great · 2012-05-23 17:29 · Score: 1

Axis will make your *entire* browser spin around waiting for 50 seconds.
Axis powers by GoingDown · 2012-05-23 17:33 · Score: 2

Finland was not actually part of Axis - at least not fully. They fought with German against Russia, and they received quite significant help from German though.
"Co-belligerents
Various countries fought side by side with the Axis powers for a common cause. These countries were not signatories of the Tripartite Pact and thus not formal members of the Axis."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_powers
1. Re:Axis powers by NoSleepDemon · 2012-05-24 02:06 · Score: 1
  
  Yep Finland's choice was pretty much fight for the Germans or get demolished when the Nazis roll into town. The allies weren't exactly jumping to save them so the only logical option was to side with the Germans... That, and they *really* disliked the Russians.
chrome version download by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-23 17:40 · Score: 1

hit the site with Chrome, download, get the confirm prompt, then sends me to http://axis.yahoo.com/null and "oops, this link appears broken"
yup, thats the Yahoo I remember
1. Re:chrome version download by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-23 18:38 · Score: 0
  
  It was taken off line temporarily due to the key leak mentioned in other comments.
2. Re:chrome version download by TuringTest · 2012-05-23 22:57 · Score: 1
  
  Funny, they have suppressed search results for "yahoo axis chrome". Query "yahoo axis key" returns articles about the leak, but you have to know what you're looking for.
  
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Private key leaked by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-23 17:41 · Score: 0

They accidentally included their private key inside of the Chrome extension.
https://github.com/nikcub/yahoo-spoof
It sounds like the key is only for this though? I'm not sure if there's impact beyond being able to forge signatures for the extension.
I got an error by Taco+Cowboy · 2012-05-23 17:58 · Score: 2

When I clicked on the yellow "Get it now! DESKTOP" icon at the upper right hand site, yahoo sent me to a null pointer
http://axis.yahoo.com/null

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1. Re:I got an error by Samantha+Wright · 2012-05-23 19:05 · Score: 2
  
  It appears to work now for me on Firefox, but don't bother. The rendering engine couldn't really keep up with the script's demands, and it puts a rather inelegant-looking bar at the bottom of every window. Personally, I'm just going to stick with Google's preview feature.
  
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2. Re:I got an error by gv250 · 2012-05-24 02:02 · Score: 1
  
  "Null pointer?" Luxury! All I got was:
  Yahoo! Axis does not run on your Operating System. Have an iPhone or iPad? Check out the Yahoo! Axis apps!
How is this a browser? by Pfhorrest · 2012-05-23 18:01 · Score: 2

The video on Yahoo's site talks all about all kinds of search features which all sound perfectly interesting as features of a search site.
But how exactly is it a browser? Or, I suppose, why? Everything it says it does could be done in a site accessible from any browser. Did they just decide to package the site in a stand-alone application because... someone doesn't understand the difference between a site you view in a browser (albeit a site you use to find other sites), and the browser itself which accesses and renders those sites?

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1. Re:How is this a browser? by Cinder6 · 2012-05-23 18:45 · Score: 2
  
  Not entirely sure why either, but it actually is pretty cool on my iPhone. It's missing a couple things, though, such as tap top to zoom to the top of the page, and I'm not sure I can live without Reader. Other than that, it's a very nice way to search on a phone, and I'm surprised to be saying that.
  On the desktop, though, it's bundled as an awkward browser extension that seemed to vanish as soon as I closed the Safari tab, and the Chrome extension has a big security issue (probably all versions of the extension, but I haven't bothered to check). But the main reason it's less relevant on the desktop is that I can simply middle click search results and open them--completely--in other tabs while I'm scrolling more results.
  Then there's the issue that it uses Yahoo and not Google (which should be obvious to anyone with half a brain cell). I'm sure Yahoo's results are fine once you have a feel for how the search engine works, but I've gotten used to searching on Google, and certain things just don't bring up the results I expect. For instance, "kindle touch update" in Axis didn't bring up the most relevant page of all, which is the Amazon page for Kindle Touch updates. Instead, it showed me old articles for the 5.0.3 update, which isn't very helpful.
  All in all, I hope that it either sees a lot of refinement, or that Apple and Google shamelessly steal its ideas.
  
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2. Re:How is this a browser? by Rennt · 2012-05-23 22:01 · Score: 1
  
  Did they just decide to package the site in a stand-alone application because... someone doesn't understand the difference between a site you view in a browser (albeit a site you use to find other sites), and the browser itself which accesses and renders those sites?
  There *is* a reason they are launching on iOS.
This can't be a browser due the Apple Store by Skuto · 2012-05-23 18:29 · Score: 5, Insightful

As covered in the article about mobile browser choice yesterday, just by virtue of being on the Apple Store this cannot be a real browser in any significant meaning of the word. So saying it's a "separate standalone browser" is just a flagrant lie. At best it's a shell around the existing WebKit/Safari browser on those devices.
Given that it's also listed as an "extension for Chrome, Firefox, and Safari", what is this really? Yet another privacy-invasion toolbar? :(
1. Re:This can't be a browser due the Apple Store by l-ascorbic · 2012-05-23 19:44 · Score: 2
  
  The fact it uses the WebKit rendering engine doesn't mean it's not a browser, or that it's just a shell around Safari. And aren't all browsers just shells around a rendering engine? Loads of different browsers use WebKit. The main reason Google won't release Chrome for iOS is that they can't use V8, their JavaScript engine. Most of their WebKit customisations are available in Apple's implementation too. so, yes, it is a separate standalone browser. Install the app and see for yourself.
2. Re:This can't be a browser due the Apple Store by BradleyUffner · 2012-05-23 20:27 · Score: 1
  
  The fact it uses the WebKit rendering engine doesn't mean it's not a browser, or that it's just a shell around Safari. And aren't all browsers just shells around a rendering engine? Loads of different browsers use WebKit. The main reason Google won't release Chrome for iOS is that they can't use V8, their JavaScript engine. Most of their WebKit customisations are available in Apple's implementation too. so, yes, it is a separate standalone browser. Install the app and see for yourself.
  Other than Bookmark and History Tracking, and maybe multiple tabs, what else is there to a browser besides the rendering engine? I guess you could count the scripting engine, but that seems pretty tightly integrated with the rendering engine in all the libraries I've used; so much so that they are usually in the same library.
3. Re:This can't be a browser due the Apple Store by gl4ss · 2012-05-23 20:34 · Score: 1
  
  "BLABLABALBABLABALBALBALBABLABLBALBALBALBALBALBALBA"
  it's a shell around iOS safari. even icecat is more of a real separate browser.
  
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4. Re:This can't be a browser due the Apple Store by Trilkin · 2012-05-23 21:38 · Score: 1
  
  It's an engine wrapped in a browser wrapped in a shell wrapped in a mystery wrapped in an enigma wrapped in a flaky tortilla.
  
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5. Re:This can't be a browser due the Apple Store by Rennt · 2012-05-23 22:06 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  I believe the point is that if it is sold on the App Store we know it cannot be a stand alone browser by virtue of Apple's store policy.
6. Re:This can't be a browser due the Apple Store by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-23 22:38 · Score: 0
  
  Chrome and Safari are the same right? They're both based on WebKit after all...
7. Re:This can't be a browser due the Apple Store by amicusNYCL · 2012-05-24 07:13 · Score: 1
  
  Thank you, I had to wade through a massive shitstorm of people hyping and bitching about Yahoo Mail to find the one comment I was interested in. I'm glad it's here, 80% of the way down the page.
  
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8. Re:This can't be a browser due the Apple Store by l-ascorbic · 2012-05-28 10:12 · Score: 1
  
  Have you read the policy? It just says that browsers must use the built in ios webkit libs.
How, um, new, & revolutionary, but... by atari2600a · 2012-05-23 18:56 · Score: 1

...This isn't 2008. Seriously it's like Yahoo! is constantly on a 5-year delay with half of this crap...ever use Yahoo! Groups? It's worse than dialing into your local BBS...
1. Re:How, um, new, & revolutionary, but... by Billly+Gates · 2012-05-24 01:36 · Score: 1
  
  I prefer the old UI for groups 10 years ago before they dumbed it down and it became a haven for spammers.
  Of course if I saw it today I would think its dated. Yahoo got rid of its #1 asset, which was a fucking awesome yellowpages for the internet. Yang's links is how it started and you could find a community or a site for anything without doing a physical search.
  It seems the accountants took over and decided to save money by dumbing it down and letting it go stale and have spammers take over. Yahoo never did put the resources in it to keep it fresh. Worse it never kept updating its search engine besides simple boolean keyword text searches. That became ripe for Google taking it over. In the IT world you innovate or die.
  Like Microsoft, it became comfortable and then stagnated to save money. MS is in trouble now for this reason and losing the consumer market to tablets and phones. For Yahoo I give it credit for trying to be innovative again, but its too late. It is a tarnished brand name like Internet Explorer and RealPlayer is to us, even though they both have improved by leaps and bounds it doesn't matter. Only old people use Yahoo now because they are set in their ways. I have not used their search engine in years. Groups I gave it a shot 2 years ago and my GOD all porn spammers and no one cared.
  Pity and a lesson in bad management for the rest of us.
  
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More common than you by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-23 18:58 · Score: 0

think.
I fucked up !! by Taco+Cowboy · 2012-05-23 19:26 · Score: 3, Funny

Help, I fucked up !!
I installed that "yahoo browser" while browsing on Chrome
Now I got a butt ugly shitty thing floating at the lower left hand corner on my screen !!
How do I get rid of that "yahoo browser" ???
HELP !!!

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1. Re:I fucked up !! by quasipunk+guy · 2012-05-23 19:36 · Score: 2
  
  Click the wrench icon on your toolbar, navigate through the Tools sub-menu and select "Extensions." You can disable or delete Chrome add-ons from there.
2. Re:I fucked up !! by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-23 23:29 · Score: 0
  
  I don't know what to think about this coming from a 4-digit UID
3. Re:I fucked up !! by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-24 01:41 · Score: 1
  
  He's forgotten more about IT than you'll ever know. Unfortunately, he's forgotten everything.
4. Re:I fucked up !! by NoSleepDemon · 2012-05-24 01:56 · Score: 1
  
  A CEO who jumped on the tech bandwagon years ago? He or she clearly still knows how to delegate!
5. Re:I fucked up !! by Jeremiah+Cornelius · 2012-05-24 02:09 · Score: 2
  
  Look. We all have our days...
  
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6. Re:I fucked up !! by Dan667 · 2012-05-24 02:41 · Score: 1
  
  maybe he's CmdrTaco's older brother
Axis powers your web browsers! by SmallFurryCreature · 2012-05-23 19:43 · Score: 0

And THIS people is why you don't outsource or have 18 year olds make ANY decisions.
A product name means nothing so the only thing you got to do is make sure there are NO negative associations.
Associations with WW2, the nazi's, the holocaust and general nastyness... not the most brilliant marketing move.
Why not label your new black paint as Nigger and be done with it.
Mind you, this is an American company, only Americans would name military hardware after races wiped out by that same military.

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1. Re:Axis powers your web browsers! by DNS-and-BIND · 2012-05-23 20:19 · Score: 1
  
  My, we have some hatred issues, don't we? It was funny, you were supposed to laugh. Instead this bizarre diatribe that mostly says what you're thinking about all the time? PS this one's for you.
  
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Thanks ! by Taco+Cowboy · 2012-05-23 19:43 · Score: 2

Yeah, that butt ugly thing is gone !
Thanks !!

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Read the source Luke by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-23 20:57 · Score: 2, Insightful

because its just a toolbar re-modelled,
its primary purpose seems to be setting a GUID, a yahoo cookie and tracking everything you do with a web bug beacon, and it injects external scripts on every page
reading the source reveals their true intents and its not an extension to help you
basically its good old spyware
Yahoo eh? by lewko · 2012-05-23 21:13 · Score: 4, Funny

Can't wait to see Altavista's entry into the mobile browser market.

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1. Re:Yahoo eh? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-23 23:00 · Score: 0
  
  Funny people! This is FUNNY!
2. Re:Yahoo eh? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-24 01:11 · Score: 0
  
  Well i think altavista is now owned by Yahoo
Too Late by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-23 21:35 · Score: 0

They've finally caught up with where the rest of the business was several years ago. At this pace, they're on track to lay off another 23,000 within the year. Stick a fork in 'em; they're done. ATT DSL will have to find another host for their front page. Who might they be re looking at?
source or gtfo by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-23 23:21 · Score: 1

Show us the source code or get the fuck out!
yahoo? by nurb432 · 2012-05-24 00:04 · Score: 1

Who was that again?

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1. Re:yahoo? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-24 01:23 · Score: 0
  
  ya-who? o_O
Pre-fetching? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-24 00:05 · Score: 0

(1) Is the browser-in-browser pre-fetching pages from yahoo's cache. If yes, be ready with a big bill for mobiles.
(2) Displaying thumbnails of pages, CPU intensive on mobiles!? Images ok, but do thumbnails help in deciphering text-context like relativity theory
Not sure if this is just a GUI thing
day late and dollar short by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-24 00:16 · Score: 0

what is the difference between this and what google already provides. all the syncing across platforms has already been done with google chrome. big flipping deal Yahoo
Thumbnail Results Are Useless by Luthair · 2012-05-24 00:43 · Score: 1

Sorry, but unless the user is looking for a site that is media heavy or a site they would recognize from a previous visit, then the thumbnails are largely useless as they can't convey the page content.
1. Re:Thumbnail Results Are Useless by Drafell · 2012-05-24 01:29 · Score: 1
  
  I also thought the idea was to be bandwidth friendly... and they are achieving that by the use of... images?
  Durpa brigade coming through...
2. Re:Thumbnail Results Are Useless by emurphy42 · 2012-05-24 07:28 · Score: 1
  I actually tried it (for all of 2 minutes). First, it does show the page title overlaid on the bottom of each thumbnail, which makes them far less annoying than I expected them to be. Second, they do potentially convey "hey, this page looks like ass, I'm not even gonna bother".
  What did annoy me right quick:
  
  My home page is a local HTML file with a bunch of text links. Axis's thing-at-the-bottom does not show up, and AFAICT the only way to make it show up is to navigate to a non-local page. (Okay, this probably doesn't affect 99.44% of you. I don't think it shows up on an about:blank tab either, but I forgot to specifically test that.)
  Thumbnail loading is sluggish. Slide up/down effects are sluggish. Only slightly in both cases, but I'm on a reasonably fast corporate laptop with a reasonably fast net connection; I don't want to futz with "slightly".
  I already accomplish "keep the search results hanging around" via alt-click (open in background tab) and alt-PgUp/Dn (switch tabs; control-Tab / control-shift-Tab are equivalent, if you prefer those).
  It adds largish "" buttons to the middle left/right of the page, which take you to the next/previous pages in your navigation-history-that-Axis-is-aware-of, or something. Which is potentially useful functionality, but I'd prefer them in the toolbar.
  Have I mentioned there's no sign of an options panel anywhere?
3. Re:Thumbnail Results Are Useless by emurphy42 · 2012-05-24 07:29 · Score: 1
  
  (Proofreading fail. Largish < and > buttons, I meant.)
whatever by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-24 00:48 · Score: 0

Yahoo hasn't been relevant since 1999, and was never any good to begin with.
I herd you like mudkips so we put... wrong meme! by Dogtanian · 2012-05-24 01:20 · Score: 1

Except to use this browser you apparently have to run it as a plugin inside another browser.
Some guy called "Eck Zibit" or something just called. He was saying something about "yo' dog"... do you know anything about this?

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Yo Dawg... by Drafell · 2012-05-24 01:27 · Score: 1

This had to be done...
Yo Dawg, I heard you like browsers
Yahoo included their cert private key inside the A by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-24 01:39 · Score: 0

http://inagist.com/all/205489752684765185/
This is not a browser by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-24 01:53 · Score: 1

This is a browser plug in.
You cannot write a browser for iOS. You can only put your own front end in front of mobile safari. You must use their rendering engine, their JS engine, etc.
Browsers are typically not shipped as firefox or chrome plugins. Plugins are. This is a faggoty yahoo branded browser plugin which is probably like every other goddamned search bar, in that it performs horribly, and sputteringly shits obnoxious adverts right into your eyeballs.
For fuck sakes, I'd figure slashdot at least knew what a web browser was.
In other news, Blizzards new video game console - called the Diablo 3 - came out last week.
ADOBE CALLED AND THEY ARE PISSED! by Jeremiah+Cornelius · 2012-05-24 02:07 · Score: 1

They want back the letter "A" that Yahoo! took from their yard.
It's pretty easily identified: no legs and a little off center.

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Axis? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-24 03:33 · Score: 0

Germany, Italy and Japan will be early adopters.
Do mobile browsers suck? by Sloppy · 2012-05-24 03:58 · Score: 2

Everyone knows it, but few people acknowledge it: Mobile web browsers absolutely suck.

I didn't know that. I do share the concerns about the amazing shittiness of the dominant mobile OSes, causing mobile browsers to stagnate. But even when (yeah, it's "when" not "if") that happens, I thought at least it won't be as bad as what happened a decade ago. Back in the day, I would have agreed with the (then) contemporary version of the above statement: Everyone knew MSIE6 and NN4 absolutely suck (even by the standards of the time), and all the good browsers were niche or off the beaten path. But in 2012 I really don't agree that the most popular mobile browsers suck. Mobile Safari and Android Browser both seem pretty good to me.
(In fact I'd say the web browsers are the only thing that makes those two platforms be tolerable at all. They're otherwise garbage and the fact that you can so easily web-browse on them is what saves them. But that's another topic.. not that I'm averse to topic-drift, as you'll soon see.)
No? What don't you like about the current mobile browsers? They sure seem pretty up-to-date on standards and rendering capabilites, if nothing else. (Nobody would have said that about MSIE6 or NN4.)
BTW, totally different topic. The Axis demo movie thing, the presenter's voice was doing something funny. When they were just showing screenshots, I heard a woman's voice. Then they occasionally shift back to the dude and it's a man's voice. But it's the same voice. Without the face, it's a woman. Anyone else hear this, or is it just me?

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Not a new idea at all by Sunshinerat · 2012-05-24 04:07 · Score: 1

Splitting out the results by topic is not a new idea at all.
Many years ago while consulting at Yahoo! we already played around with a search engine that broke its results by topic (back then we used the 'Explorer' search text to show its potential). Somehow this never caught on.
I cannot remember the name of that particular search engine we used back then (these were the days of Altavista, a new start up called Google and Microsoft was still using Yahoo). A little research on the webs brought me to this: http://search.yippy.com/ It does the same thing without the thumbnail bloat. Try it with search terms like Explorer or Roots. It is a different experience.
disclaimer: I have absolutely nothing to do with yippy.com and if this article was not posted I would never have looked for it.

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https connection flaw by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-24 04:32 · Score: 1

Too bad it messes up the https connections of every website!
Yahoo again ?? by rojash · 2012-05-24 07:47 · Score: 1

Aren't yo Yahoo fanboys sick of them yet ? With Yahoo Mail selling all your email ids to spammers the second you register, now you would trust Searches with them ? Something really nice like Farechase they got rid of in a hurry, this company needs to bring its head out of its butt.
Linux by markdavis · 2012-05-24 09:45 · Score: 1

"Download Axis Desktop Now!"
click
"Yahoo! Axis does not run on your Operating System. Have an iPhone or iPad? Check out the Yahoo! Axis apps!"
Fail (not as if I really wanted it, anyway)
My girlfriend is of a certain age by Anonymous Coward · 2012-05-24 16:25 · Score: 0

And we have been married, lo, these many years. She too starts (and ends) her day with the yahoo home page. The computer revolution might have passed her by completely except for Yahoo and Yahoo mail. I have persuaded her, however, to use the google search box in her browser, which returns much better information for her or anyone else than the creaky yahoo search, which is not as old as we are, but getting there.
Why... by tywjohn · 2012-05-27 11:17 · Score: 0

...is this iOS app only available in US App Store?