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Study Shows Teen Gamers Like Tech, But Don't All Crave IT Jobs

CIStud writes "If you think playing endless hours of Dungeons & Dragons will create a desire to get into the information technology, think again. A new study by CompTIA of teens and young adults shows that only 17% want to pursue a technology career despite the fact that 97% say they 'love' technology." This can't be any more surprising than that most concert-goers don't intend to be professional musicians, can it? 17% actually sounds like a pretty high figure to me. The article goes on to soften even that number, though: "[I]nterest levels jump when teens and young adults are presented with options for specific jobs. Nearly half of the respondents can see themselves potentially designing video games; 41 percent envision creating applications for mobile devices; 39 percent, designing web pages; and 34 percent, applying technology in fields such as healthcare or education."

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  1. Stupid article is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I like pizza, but I don't want to be a cook at the local pizza joint.

    1. Re:Stupid article is stupid by Gideon+Wells · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This article would have made more sense realistically a while back. Current teen gamers are part of a console generation where one of the main three contenders, the Wii, is even doing well in Nursing homes. Gaming could be seen as having a stronger correlation back when gaming was more niche.

      To use your analogy, anyone can make and eat pizza these days. At one point, in a steadily decreasing percentage of those alive, the only people who made/ate Pizzas were enthusiasts who either built their own oven, knew someone who did, or was a relative of an over owner/builder. If you are this involved, connected, etc. you might be more inclined to work at a pizzaria than anything else.

      These days anyone can buy a frozen pizza for a dollar and nuke it in the microwave. Yet the TFA makes a big deal that these microwave pizza eaters aren't as dedicated or interested as the oven building pizza eaters. Go fig.

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    2. Re:Stupid article is stupid by Sir_Sri · · Score: 2

      Gamers don't really have a lot of use for the Wii. Their adoption rate (games per console) is pretty pitiful as is their overall played time. The nursing home thing is much more what we would call serious games. Game technology used for serious purposes, although in a nursing home it might be half and half, get the people exercising while getting them some mental stimulation and entertainment on a rainy day.

    3. Re:Stupid article is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm not exactly in "get off my lawn" territory, but when I was a kid, if you liked computers at all it just made sense to pursue a tech career. Then the 90's boom happened, the market flooded with people that weren't really that interested who wanted the pay day, etc. I've bounced around a bit over the years doing web and winforms development, sys/net/tel admin, etc., but you learn a few things about peoples' perceptions of what various careers mean.

      Developing video games isn't sitting around playing retro video games all day and dreaming up awesome shit for an amazing new product. Not in a place that actually ships. It's work.

      Being a sysadmin doesn't usually mean reading others email and goofing off on facebook all day, it means stress and deadlines and working on shit hardware you wish you could pitch in a lake, while someone who doesn't understand the job breathes down your neck.

      Making websites isn't like playing with ideas on construction paper all day, it's about fighting with bizarre customer requirements, broken browsers, legibility, accessibility, viewer device support, etc. We're largely past the days of Frontpage (or god help us, MS Word) goofs knocking out awful, broken shit for huge sums of money.

      Most other kinds of regular programming aren't Matrix-style uberhaxoring in a back alley club somewhere. They're people in polo shirts and khakis, in cubes, with a short stack of reference books, wondering how long that next awful meeting is going to last and if they're going to fall asleep in front of the boss.

      For most, jobs are jobs. It's hard to get pumped about doing them unless you just really like what you do.

    4. Re:Stupid article is stupid by Theophany · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Possibly one of the best posts I've read on Slashdot. Real life is the place all those cool ideas you have as a kid come to die.

      I'd have loved to work for Google or Apple 5 years ago. Sadly, along with the rest of the industry, they couldn't pay me anything like what I value my time as being worth.

  2. users vs producers by tverbeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This should be obvious that gamers would be mostly uninterested in tech careers. It'd be like people who watch television all wanting to go into theater, or people who like to drive going into automotive mechanics, or people who like to eat pursuing a career in culinary arts. Liking to use something is very different from wanting to be one of the people who make it work.

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    1. Re:users vs producers by internerdj · · Score: 2

      It would be far more interesting to know of those who were interested in tech fields, how much these activities influenced them. Of course, that difficulty of the difference in experiments is probably on par with the difference in how interesting the results are.

    2. Re:users vs producers by detritus. · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly, the whole "video game programmer" craze that started years back from the various online colleges fell flat on its face.
      All the gamers expected they could just walk in and land a job making up and designing games without any idea of what was really involved, or that they would actually have to learn a thing about development. The only best possible scenario for the 99th percentile was being doing grunt work for EA working long, stressful hours on someone else's project.

      Notice how those degree programs are rarely advertised anymore.

    3. Re:users vs producers by Sir_Sri · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We offer a very successful game development specialization as part of computer science or software engineering. That works very well. It is our most popular stream and even kids who don't get the full specialization usually take at least one of the game development courses. It's still a comp sci degree, so they can go off and do anything any other computer scientist can do, they are specialized in game dev.

      Easily half of our students are interested in games (and take some game dev courses), and are into technology because of games. But that's mostly the domestic ones. The ones from the middle east, india and china are much more academically oriented (which is why our grad programme is 85% foreign). But game development on average is a shitty career choice, long uncertain hours, low job security and dependence on government handouts for game companies isn't a great way to make a career. So even the ones who have fun making games in course work will go off and build boring databases and web sites or be business analysts etc. When someone offers you a job paying 50k with no benefits to make video games, and someone else offers you 70k with benefits and career advancement options it's tough to take the game dev gig.

    4. Re:users vs producers by avandesande · · Score: 2

      Lots of people who gamed when they were young and now have IT jobs would rather spend their free time away from a computer.

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  3. D&D! by KatchooNJ · · Score: 5, Funny

    Let's roll to determine your career path. Roll a d20!

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    1. Re:D&D! by kenj0418 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Let's roll to determine your career path. Roll a d20!

      Ooo, sorry. You rolled a 1. It looks like it's help desk for you.

  4. I could "see myself" as an astronaut as well by slimjim8094 · · Score: 2

    Am I missing something, or is this roughly the equivalent of people saying "I want to be a fireman when I grow up!"?

    Still, I suppose it's encouraging that software dev is seen as reasonably classy. Even just a few years ago it was all "but I'm not a sweaty nerd!"

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    1. Re:I could "see myself" as an astronaut as well by detritus. · · Score: 2

      Am I missing something, or is this roughly the equivalent of people saying "I want to be a fireman when I grow up!"?

      Still, I suppose it's encouraging that software dev is seen as reasonably classy. Even just a few years ago it was all "but I'm not a sweaty nerd!"

      Sort of, they see the potential fun in a career and say "I want to be a fireman because I just want to play with the siren and drive a big red truck."
      They have no idea of what it fully involves (pun intended).

    2. Re:I could "see myself" as an astronaut as well by slimjim8094 · · Score: 2

      I suppose this could be the same thing... lots of people going "I want to make a game like Angry Birds!" who don't really understand the work involved (hours of debugging a missing paren, etc

      )

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    3. Re:I could "see myself" as an astronaut as well by Sir_Sri · · Score: 2

      Everyone has game design ideas, it's only a relative few that can do the required statistics and linear algebra and programming to make it all work. And the people who can do all of those necessary things have as many ideas as people who can't.

    4. Re:I could "see myself" as an astronaut as well by dev.null.matt · · Score: 2

      Am I missing something, or is this roughly the equivalent of people saying "I want to be a fireman when I grow up!"?

      Still, I suppose it's encouraging that software dev is seen as reasonably classy. Even just a few years ago it was all "but I'm not a sweaty nerd!"

      Sort of, they see the potential fun in a career and say "I want to be a fireman because I just want to play with the siren and drive a big red truck." They have no idea of what it fully involves (pun intended).

      Okay, I give up, what pun was intended? (Or are you obliquely referencing the xkcd about using the phrase "no pun intended" after a sentence with no pun in it?)

    5. Re:I could "see myself" as an astronaut as well by rossdee · · Score: 5, Funny

      But Firemen aren't the good guys these days. Their wages and benefits are costing the government money that could be better used giving to the rich as tax cuts.

  5. Please by PCM2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think the percentage of "young adults" who actually have any idea what their future career is likely to be is less that 17 percent.

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    1. Re:Please by Gideon+Wells · · Score: 2

      Realistically, yes. I agree.

      I'm still dumb founded by those who genuinely believe that we have our life-long career and ambitions set by time we enter high school.

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  6. I bet they don't want to be janitors either. by pathological+liar · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why go into the white collar equivalent?

    I (sometimes) enjoy my work, but glamorous it ain't.

  7. Smarter than they look by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Normally teenagers are the gold standard for naive thinking, but they got it perfectly right on this one. I'm in IT. I've been here for a long time. I tell anyone considering a career in it to beat themselves soundly about the head and shoulders. How many ways is it bad? Ah, let us count the ways...

    You'll rarely get any respect from your employer.
    Most of us don't work for Google -- we work for MegaCorp(tm). MegaCorp's sole focus is on the end of quarter profit margin, and that means that everyone that isn't in sales is slowing us down. Cut those budgets! Trim those sales! Yarr, matey, we be bringin' in da gold this quarter! Nevermind that IT said it costs more and runs slower being powered by wind than a diesel engine. Your entire field is considered a bloated waste of money.

    You will not be playing with the best technology, you will be helping others play with it.
    Whatever is sitting on your desk is most likely a 3 coiled turd unless you are a programmer of some kind, or a manager. It's 3--5 years old, and so loaded down with antivirus, encryption, and at least 5 conflicting corporate 'big brother' programs to catalog your every keystroke that it runs slower than molasses uphill.

    Your talents will be wasted.
    Only the '20 year men' have a shot at getting something done and being recognized for it. And most likely they'll be looking for dumb kids like you to put in tons of overtime for a pat on the head.

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    1. Re:Smarter than they look by cpu6502 · · Score: 2

      Insightful.
      As for the last sentence, the key is to collect lots of PAID overtime. Your job is to make the "20 year" manager look good by meeting deadlines; but that doesn't mean you should be taken advantage of.

      If they refuse to pay overtime, then just work 42-43 hours and go home. Miss a couple deadlines. When the manager complains say, "I need to work overtime to meet schedule. But I expect to be paid, as required by law." If they still refuse to pay, and insist you MUST come-in on Saturday to work for free (like my last job), do so, but watch hulu instead. Nobody can force you to work without pay.

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  8. Dungeons & Dragons? by Sir+Realist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What tiny proportion of teens and young adults has ever even heard of it, much less played it?

  9. Just like animals by blastum · · Score: 2

    People who love animals are the same way. The vast majority love them because they are tasty. An independent group love them because they're animals. Same kind of thing for technology.

  10. as a video game designer by james_van · · Score: 4, Interesting

    i thoroughly enjoy crushing teenagers' dreams of being video game designers by showing them the reality of it. i show them some code and start talking about physics or shaders and their little souls just deflate. granted, ill occasionally get one that isnt scared off, but most of them just think that because they play of lot of video games, they could design them.

    1. Re:as a video game designer by dgatwood · · Score: 2

      They could design them, but most of them couldn't code them. People who use the web can often be good web designers, but not many of them can actually write the html, and even fewer can write the server-side that generates the HTML.

      I realize that in the game design industry, the term "designer" is usually abused to include the coding aspects, but that really isn't design. Even creating the 3D models may or may not qualify as design, depending on how strict you're being about the term.

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    2. Re:as a video game designer by james_van · · Score: 2, Interesting

      valid point. with very few exceptions, most of the kids ive ever talked to about game design probably couldn't "design" a game though. They have a few abstract ideas, but when i've challenged them to write some things down and make a few sketches (to at least encourage them to think more in depth and flesh those ideas out) they quickly fold. i usually get stuff like "i want to make a game like WoW, but cooler". so i say "what would you do to make it cooler?" and they reply with " i dont know, add more stuff or something".

  11. "Teen Gamer craving a job" seems like an oxymoron by dlb · · Score: 3, Funny

    Who was thinking about work when you were a teen? (Let alone IT work)

    When you're a teen,.. playing Xbox 8 hours a day while getting paid for it would seem like a perfectly legitimate career path.

  12. Different world now, tech-wise by ErichTheRed · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think this is just natural considering what's happened with technology in the last 20 or so years. Tweeting, blogging or posting a status update to Facebook is not a difficult, cumbersome task. The user interface is intuitive, you don't have to do too much magic to get Internet access, and the results are immediate. Someone on the back end did all the magic to make this possible -- you're just a user.

    Contrast that with being interested in PCs around the early to mid 1990s. The cohort who "loves technology" was limited because loving technology meant you loved to mess around with arcane, strange concepts that most of the population didn't understand. Today's "love technology" crowd actually loves using technology someone else built for the most part. Do you think your average Facebook using teenager would want to go back to, say, 1993 and spend hours fiddling with driver parameters to get a video card working in Windows, or OS/2, or DOS, or Linux? Or figuring out the magic incantations to get your 14.4 kbps modem to dial into an ISP?

    Unlike a lot of people, I still actually enjoy my systems engineering/architect job. I get to solve interesting problems and come up with workarounds for strange situations all the time. I wouldn't want a traditional corporate job, or project management, or whatever, just because those jobs aren't intellectually stimulating IMO -- mindless paper shuffling. However, I have seen my share of people who tried to force themselves to love IT jobs, and they're disappointed. The fact remains that you have to have the "figure it out" mindset and the discipline to sit and work through a complex problem. I'm also one of those people who is interested in all the crazy stuff going on under the hood to deliver data around the world, so I guess I "love technology" too. That said, with things like ITIL and process-driven IT, there are a lot of IT jobs that are very boring now...the key is to get yourself one of the interesting ones. As far as software dev goes, sure, everyone thinks they'd love to program video games because playing them is fun. Doing boring, predictable, corporate software development is different -- just connect parts from different toolsets. I can't tell you how many CRUD web interface applications I've seen -- businesses need this stuff a lot more than they need video games. Someone has to do the unsexy work.

    So, the group of people who "love building things with technology" is much smaller than the "love using technology to stay in contact with my social circle" group -- same as always.

  13. Adding one's own toppings by tepples · · Score: 3, Interesting

    These days anyone can buy a frozen pizza for a dollar and nuke it in the microwave.

    Pizzas don't have a mechanism to keep people from adding their own toppings before putting it in a microwave or conventional oven. Console games, on the other hand, do have a cryptographic mechanism to keep end users from adding mods.

    1. Re:Adding one's own toppings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I, for one, welcome the shift from car analogies to pizza analogies. um.. overlords?

  14. Gamers are not stupid by Ryanrule · · Score: 2

    Well of course. If I go into management, I can play computer games all day. If I go into IT, I have to fix the managers computer when it won't play games

  15. Gaming led me into IT because... by wynterwynd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You used to have to learn everything about the computer just to get the damn games to run.

    I literally started my IT career at age 13, hammering away at a shiny new 486SX/25 on a command line trying to get games to run properly. I learned very basic scripting/programming concepts working with batch files and optimizing autoruns so the sound would work in Wing Commander or Space Quest wouldn't crash. I learned hardware installing my first CD-ROM and sound card to play 7th Guest. I learned troubleshooting methodology trying to get Windows 3.1 to work just so I could play Myst.

    Gamers today don't have to go through all that. Gaming is mainstream and a long way from the marginalized hobby for nerds that it used to be. Consoles took away all the need for know-how, now it's just insert disc and push buttons. When you don't have to understand the components to get the pretty-shinies to bleep-boop on the screen, you don't try to.

    Having said all that, I do believe that PC gaming can lead to IT knowledge, if to a lesser extent than it used to. Hardware tweakers, framerate enthusiasts, and OCers will absolutely have the skills to jump into system building and optimization with both feet.

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  16. I can see their point by vortoxin · · Score: 2

    I like good looking women.

    But that doesn't mean I want to be in Pr0n.

    I remember an old Sensai wo said he loved his martial art but his turning it into a career teaching kids killed his love of it.

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  17. Re:And also by snowraver1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sorry to hear you feel that way. I started my current job in one of (if not the) lowest salaried pay band. In the last 7 years I have change job titles at least twice, have more than doubled my pay, and am now at the lower end of the highest non-management pay band. IT pays better than most other areas of employment. Maybe you just need a new employer, or maybe you aren't cut out for IT.

    I also enjoy the work.

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