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Black Death Discovered In Oregon

redletterdave writes "The Black Death, a strain of bubonic plague that destroyed nearly a third of Europe's entire population between 1347 and 1369, has been found in Oregon. Health officials in Portland have confirmed that a man contracted the plague after getting bitten by a cat. The unidentified man, who is currently in his 50s, had tried to pry a dead mouse from a stray cat's mouth on June 2 when the cat attacked him. Days later, fever and sickness drove the man to check himself into Oregon's St. Charles Medical Center, where he is currently in 'critical condition.'"

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  1. Darwin in action. by Gordonjcp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why the hell did he think it was a good idea to try to get the dead mouse away from the cat in the first place?

    1. Re:Darwin in action. by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 5, Funny

      It really wasn't a dead mouse. It was a bag of pot he hid under a bush so his wife wouldn't find it. You can't really tell that to the folks at the hospital.

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    2. Re:Darwin in action. by Pi+Is+A+Rational · · Score: 5, Funny

      [citation needed]

    3. Re:Darwin in action. by icebike · · Score: 3, Funny

      Swoosh !

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    4. Re:Darwin in action. by Baloroth · · Score: 5, Informative

      The summary specifies it was a stray cat. Who the hell tries to pry open the mouth of a stray cat? You have no idea what kinds of bacteria, viruses, or other nasty infectious things are living in a stray cat's mouth.

      Although we certainly know now.

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    5. Re:Darwin in action. by EdIII · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's just like your opinion, man.

    6. Re:Darwin in action. by MrWeelson · · Score: 5, Informative

      You probably mean Arthur C Clarke who many think 'invented' the geosynchronous satellite...or brought it into the public arena.

      No idea if he smoked pot though.

    7. Re:Darwin in action. by Prune · · Score: 4, Insightful

      500 years is not evolutionarily significant. Biologically, humans have remained almost unchanged from the early days of civilization 10,000 years ago--just ask any anthropologist.

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    8. Re:Darwin in action. by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 4, Funny

      About 25 or 30 years ago in Toronto they had a "town forum" on one of the local super stations. The subject was about legalizing pot. Some stoner had the floor and when he got to the mic his speech went something like: "Ya heh heh heh.... Like I smoke pot you know... And like.... ... uhhh ... ... ... heh heh ... I fogot what I was gonna say... ..." then he turned around and sat down. The station this was on broadcast to all of southern Ontario, and transmitters close to the border meant a good chunk of the U.S. across Lakes Ontario and Erie. Potential audience of many millions (actual audience probably a few million since it was during the news hour... pre-internet days). A better spokesman for making weed illegal could not have been found. The panel were speechless for a minute.

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    9. Re:Darwin in action. by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Civil infraction 27-5 against county Code 54.2.1 Hiding your pot in a fake mouse is a mistreatment in this county.

      $350.00 fine or 2 days in jail.

      There is your citation, you can pay it at the county clerks office.

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    10. Re:Darwin in action. by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      BIG disagree.

      Medical advances allow the Genetically defective to continue to survive and reproduce. Just 100 years ago this would not have happened.

      Just wait to see how fucked up as a species will will be in 500 years.

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    11. Re:Darwin in action. by TapeCutter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Lactose tolerance is the standard example of recent human evolution.

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    12. Re:Darwin in action. by jamesh · · Score: 5, Funny

      Jesus christ

      Can't we have an irrational flaming discussion about evolution without bringing him into it??

    13. Re:Darwin in action. by LandGator · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, Charlie was a neighborhood cat, who was well known to everyone on that street, and the sick man was in the habit of inviting Charlie in for dinner, but didn't care for the appetizer Charlie brought. The fever made Charlie atypically cranky, and Charlie chomped down... Three other folks from another household in that neighborhood are also receiving treatment, but don't have the blood-borne version, and they're doing OK. (I have neighborhood sources.) OBTW, no one has mentioned, this is in Prineville, in the High Desert of Crook County, Oregon, 2.5 hrs' drive ESE of Portland, where Facebook's data center is located and other data centers are in development.

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    14. Re:Darwin in action. by Cruciform · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The rate of stupid isn't growing. Your exposure to them has. Technology and urbanization have brought people together so that stupidity may be experienced in full 3D as nature intended.

    15. Re:Darwin in action. by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I can't believe I'm even getting involved on this, but your comparison isn't correct. Just as one can have alcohol at anywhere from light beer to pga so too can pot be had with any strength from light buzz to "OMFG where are the cookies?" so it wouldn't be fair to say one is stronger than the other. i would argue that the very fact that it IS illegal is why you get super strength pot now, same as during prohibition you were more likely to get bathtub rotgut than you were a nice light wine. When things are illegal it simply makes more sense to sell the most concentrated you can because the laws treat mellow and strong pot equally and a customer can get more for less by buying stronger stuff.

      I have a feeling once this dark and shameful chapter of our history is over and pot is legal you'll see that just like with alcohol you'll have so many choices in flavor, texture, and intoxication factor that just like with booze there will be something for everyone. Personally i like pot from the Ozarks myself, the rich soil gives it a nice peaty overtone with a lovely aroma, almost like being in a forest, quite lovely.

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    16. Re:Darwin in action. by ancienthart · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Only on Slashdot could a news article about the Black Death turn into an argument about the relative merits of legalising/punishing pot usage.

    17. Re:Darwin in action. by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Informative

      Oh if you get a chance you really must go, and not just for the most delicious pot. you should really bring a camera and be ready to stop almost constantly because the vistas you will see are truly some of the most breathtaking i have ever seen, with huge valley scenes with incredible peaks and cliffs and flowing water everywhere, it is truly a wondrous view of nature that one simply must see with your own eyes. I swear you can simply pull on the side of the road in a large chunk of the Ozarks and the view is like standing on this great peak, with all this beautiful unspoiled wonder spread out before you, quite inspiring.

      But I can assure you that its true that in places where there is a lot of fertile land and pot being grown you'll find as many flavors and textures as you do alcohol, everything from lightly mellow to harsh, from sweet to skunky, from tasty to almost medicinal in flavor. If I were to describe the typical pot from the Ozarks it would be peaty with a slight sweet overtone, with a very forest scent, kinda like a mix of pine and juniper, quite lovely. If one were to go to the swampier south AR the pot is more musky, nice tasting but with a definite skunk scent, while the northeast area close to Memphis favors pot that has a much sweeter taste and aroma, almost candy like.

      In a way pot is a LOT like wine in that the kind of soil the plant is grown in and the conditions of the area does seem to cause differences in taste and texture not to mention buzz. I have a feeling most of the pot you've had has been either imported or been grown by mega-growers, their weed tends to be extra strong but not very much in the way of variety, kinda like the rotgut of old. And I can't believe that I'm sitting here actually judging flavors of various cultivars, but as a musician I've got to sample quite a few from different areas and there are some overall themes when it comes to pot grown in certain areas. Oh and FYI the worst pot I ever smoked was East Texas, it'll knock you on your ass but tastes like cheap cigarettes smell, a real ditchweed harsh nasty flavoring.

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    18. Re:Darwin in action. by datavirtue · · Score: 5, Funny

      From the Black Plague to penis fangs, god I love slashdot.

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    19. Re:Darwin in action. by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 4, Funny

      There's no way to tell whether our ancestors had "teeth" or other condom-breaking protrusions on their penises. They may or may not have, since boners don't fossilize as well as bones. Maybe we merely lost our vestigial cock-teeth. Or maybe this is where myths of vagina dentata come from--it was the women who had the condom-breaking apparatus.

    20. Re:Darwin in action. by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is a 50 year old man who got into a fight with a cat over a dead mouse.

      We're not talking about Paul McCartney or Michael Douglas.

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    21. Re:Darwin in action. by Boronx · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you can survive and reproduce, you aren't genetically defective.

  2. stupid by donaggie03 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Maybe you shouldn't be screwing around with wild animals and their food . . .

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    1. Re:stupid by donaggie03 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Oh we want to play the definition game, huh? Well then, by definition (Dictionary.com), feral means

      1) existing in a natural state, as animals or plants; not domesticated or cultivated; wild.

      2) having reverted to the wild state, as from domestication.

      3) of or characteristic of wild animals; ferocious; brutal.

      All three definitions equate feral with being wild, so what was the point of your pedantic nitpicking again?

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    2. Re:stupid by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A feral cat is a descendant of a domesticated cat that has returned to the wild.

      Have you ever seen a domesticated tiger? What about a domesticated fox?

      The difference between is mostly just a few generations of human attention. There are some more gradual changes (and numerous abrupt physical changes) at work in dogs, which creates the gap between 'feral' and 'wild' for them, but the most important alterations are purely in how the animal has been raised. Barn cats have been selected for their ability to survive and hunt, after all, for most of history. Not very pet-like traits.

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    3. Re:stupid by shadesOG · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The article says it was a cat. Cats, by definition, are not wild. Some of them may be feral, but they are never wild.

      Apparently you don't live in Oregon. We have wild cats. We call them cougars or mountain lions and they can fuck your day up. They have been getting a bad rep for pouncing on mountain bikers. http://www.dfw.state.or.us/wildlife/cougar/

    4. Re:stupid by Anarchduke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      he's bored?

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    5. Re:stupid by PNutts · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Girls Gone Feral" doesn't have the same ring to it, but sounds interesting for the same reasons.

    6. Re:stupid by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think you over-estimate the effects of "domestication" on dogs... although I do admit that many of them have had the piss bred out of them. Pocket dogs are an abomination.

      But for most of human history, dogs were working animals, too. The only difference is that they are (usually) too big to be allowed to gather their own food. That would be dangerous (and inconvenient, considering that they are pack hunters). That is the difference: practicality, not biology.

      Dogs do go feral. In an area not very far from here there has been a pack of feral dogs, descended from escaped domestic dogs, roaming the mountains for at least 30 years. They have been spotted every few years (it is a very remote place and rough country) but their fate is uncertain now that the wolves have returned. And Dingos are of course another example of formerly-domesticated dogs returning to the wild.

      Another interesting example is the domestic ferret. Evidence indicates that they have been domesticated for approximately as long as dogs and cats. And again, for most of human history they were working animals: they were (and still are) used to hunt small game. Not only that, but prior to WWII, right here in the United States, ferrets were also popular farm animals, used for keeping rats, mice, etc. out of the granaries just like cats.

      But unlike both dogs and cats, and except in New Zealand (which presented very specific and unusual conditions), ferrets don't go feral. They just don't. It doesn't happen.

  3. Bring out your dead! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Informative

    While an exciting headline, certain to raise the blood pressure of the angst brigade, this isn't terribly newsworthy. Bubonic plague has been found in animals (mostly prairie dogs in Colorado) for decades and apparently is the sixth case of plague in Oregon since 1995. It's easy to treat with antibiotics. The hardest part is actually thinking that Yersinia pestis is the causative organism.

    Bonus points for Monty Python addicts.

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    1. Re:Bring out your dead! by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are 3 essential forms of Black Plague (all of them caused by the same organism), and each of them varies in the rapidity of onset.

      The most virulent is the pneumonic form. It can kill within days. But it is also relatively rare, even as cases of plague go. Usually it takes somewhat longer.

  4. Biggest question... by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Informative
    Why was this guy trying to pry a mouse away from a cat? That appears to be the most interesting story here...

    Really though, from TFA:

    it is treatable with antibiotics

    the bacteria thrives in forests, grasslands and any wooded areas inhabited by rats and squirrels

    Without the help of modern medicine, Europeans in the Middle Ages could do little to combat the plague.

    So this is a bacterium that is common in the wild, which can be contracted by humans but is treatable with modern medicine. It is not as though we are facing another plague here...

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    1. Re:Biggest question... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Informative

      Good thing that bacteria cant become resistant to antibiotics, right?

      Bacteria that spread from human to human can evolve antibiotic resistance relatively quickly. Bacteria that spread primarily from animal to animal, especially if those animals are wild, are much less likely to evolve resistance. I don't think we are going to start giving antibiotics to prairie dogs.

       

  5. This is hardly news. by hey! · · Score: 5, Informative

    Bubonic plague has been endemic (sustaining itself permanently, in this case in the animal population) in the western part of the US for years, although it is news to public health officials when a human contracts it. There was a case two years ago, also in Oregon.

    The reason it doesn't sweep the nation the way it swept Europe is advances in hygiene, public health and medical treatment. Rats and fleas in the house aren't unheard of these days, but they're no longer universal. If people are getting bit by fleas they'll call the exterminator or the board of health; they won't just accept it as a fact of life. If they contract plague they'll go to the doctor who will cure it relatively easily.

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  6. Re:The Plague by BitterOak · · Score: 4, Interesting

    True, many of the hiking trails in New Mexico have signs warning that rodents may be carrying the plague. What surprises me, though, is the man is in critical condition. I thought the plague was easily treatable with antibiotics today. Is this a new antibiotic resistant strain?

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  7. Re:2012 strikes again by isopropanol · · Score: 5, Interesting

    No, must be confirmation bias on your part.

    Black Plague is rare, but still happens you just usually don't hear about it because it's treatable with antibiotics and preventable by controlling rodent populations - neither antibiotic treatment nor effective prevention were known in europe during the middle ages.

  8. Obligatory LOLcat ref by thatseattleguy · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can has worldwide pandemic?

    1. Re:Obligatory LOLcat ref by equex · · Score: 5, Informative

      haz

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    2. Re:Obligatory LOLcat ref by xstonedogx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's a beautiful world we live in when we have a second spelling and dialect for what we imagine our domesticated companions are telling us... and there are spelling and grammar nazis for that dialect.

  9. Re:2012 strikes again by AikonMGB · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wrong, it's a new zombie strain, carried by rodents and cats from Japan; I suspect it is entirely distinct from the zombie strain seen in Florida, originating in Cuba.

  10. Re:2012 strikes again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A professor once told us, "It's around, and yes, occasionally kills someone. You just see, 'person died of severe bacterial infection'."

  11. Re:Black Death? no, epidemiology guesses Ebola lik by Daetrin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Actually, epidemiology is entirely unsure about the matter. (Also, don't anthropomorphize inanimate objects, they hate it when you do that.)

    Some people think it was the bubonic plague because that matches _some_ of the symptoms reported at the time and y. pestis has been found in mass graves from the period. (Obviously people who disagree are pulling out the "correlation does not equal causation" card.)

    Other people believe it was ebola, anthrax, or something else because the incubation period, the rate and nature of the spread, and some of the symptoms don't match those of the modern bubonic plague.

    Some people believe it was the y. pestis, but it behaved differently back then because humans had zero immunity when it was introduced, and both humans and the bacteria have had a few centuries to evolve since then.

    And some people believe that it wasn't just one disease that was responsible for the black death but a number of different diseases sweeping through around the same time. They didn't know much about disease at the time, and if everyone has heard of the black death and a bunch of people get sick and die, everyone is going to blame it on the black death.

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  12. Re:The Plague by Nyder · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yep, it was a 50-year-old men. People in that demographic are infamous for avoiding medical treatment until it's too late.

    That is because by the time we are that old, we know that most doctors don't actually know as much as they think (meaning they tend to guess alot), and don't want to pay the high price for that.

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  13. Re:The Plague by AK+Marc · · Score: 3, Funny

    "I can survive with the Plague for another 15 years and get on medicare"

  14. Non story by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Informative

    There are 1-2 cases of bubonic plague in the US every year. "Yersenia pestis" is part of the normal body flora of several animals, especially underneath the nails of the armadillo. Now when we see cipro resistant plague, then you can panic.

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  15. Re:2012 strikes again by Kidipede · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One big cause of plagues in the Middle Ages was therefore situations that caused huge increases in the rodent population. This happened whenever there were food shortages, because people would stop being able to spare food to feed dogs and cats. When you stop feeding your dog, pretty soon you have to kill it (and then you may as well eat it). Without dogs and cats around, the rat population would take off. That's why in famines, as soon as people get done eating dogs and cats they start to eat rats. But of course the combination of lots of rats with underfed, weakened people means that plague can kill a lot of people. Indeed, the worse food security you had in your town, the more people tended to die of plague.

  16. Re:2012 strikes again by Caledfwlch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually they did have rodent population control in those days, but it's effectiveness was severely curtailed as they associated cats with witchcraft and so went around killing them. An enlightening glimpse of how perpetuating a climate of fear with no sound basis can backfire!

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  17. Re:Not a big deal. by dpilot · · Score: 3, Informative

    My brother-in-law is a veterinarian in southeast Utah, and he found one of those "every few years" cases of bubonic plague a few years back. He told me the same thing - a case pops up every few years.

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  18. Re:Sensationalized article by Prune · · Score: 4, Informative

    You are wrong. Black Death DNA was extracted from teeth of victims in the Tower of London and it's the same Y. pestis as we have today: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/13/science/13plague.html?_r=1

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  19. More than that... by bashibazouk · · Score: 4, Informative

    From the linked article:

    Even though there are about seven cases of the Black Plague in the U.S. each year, most cases have been in the West and the Southweset, the bacterium is considerably less fatal than it once was. According to the CDC, 1 in 7 cases are fatal, but the disease can now be treated with antibiotics.

    I know, I know I'm not supposed to read the article...

  20. Re:The same axiom applies. by drkstr1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I am actually a better programmer after smoking a _small_ amount. My right-brained creative problem solving abilities are greatly increased, at the expense of some of my left-brained activities (such as doing math in my head). This is particularly important for me, a heavily left-brained thinker. Whenever I get stuck on a problem, I go have a "smoke break," and suddenly I have all kinds of ideas flowing through my head (some of which are even good). Results will vary depending on the person though.

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