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Gmail Takes Largest Webmail Service Crown
redletterdave writes "After several years of dominance, Microsoft's Web-based email service, Hotmail, has been unseated by Google's significantly younger webmail service, Gmail. Google announced it had about 350 million monthly active users in January; since then, that number has ballooned to 425 million."
Remember when people ran their own mail servers?
First in, First out. Cya, hotmail.
But maybe 1:100 people I know use hotmail. Simply, no one does. Hell, there are probably more AOL active email addresses in my address book compared to Hotmail.
Remember when people ran their own mail servers?
I do, because I still run my own, as plenty of power-users do. Of course, the masses never ran their own e-mail servers, even before webmail, they just used POP3 or IMAP.
The main thing services like Gmail bring to email is well-maintained spam filtering, in exchange for general loss of control, privacy invasion, and advertising spewing into email. The unthrottled torrent of spam is great for keeping those services in business. Otherwise running something like Postfix is relatively low hassle, not especially worse than a web server (people still do run those). Spammers of the world, Google and Microsoft thank you for those billions in spam advertising revenue.
I just remember back in the day how hard it was to POP3 Hotmail. So I never used it. I have several GMAIL accounts for several years, that I use fetchmail on and then host on a private IMAP server. But to be honest i can't remember the last time I received or sent ligitament email to a hotmail address.
... before Microsoft bought it. It used to run on Unix and was a good reliable service. Then it was bought up and run down and now it is rubbish. Gmail is getting better every week. I use docs to collaborate with people on things and even though I know most of them copy and paste the finished article into Word before they print it, that facility is fantastic. My calendar etc. and spreadsheets, I could go on (POP3 etc.) but my point is that while one keeps getting more useful the other is stagnant. Why would anyone choose to use Hotmail unless they are already known to be there?
I love stacking my barbecues in the shed at the end of summer - you can't beat a bit of grill on grill action.
Remember when people ran their own mail servers?
Yeah, I do. I also remember relay rape and all that fun stuff when you didn't have your mail server configured just right and a spammer would take it over and you'd get a nastygram from your provider.
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I'd still pay $5000 to continue using the classic interface, even if just on my business apps account. Call me old fashioned (or blame me for preferring a UI that isn't garbage). I mean Google effectively pulled a Ribbon on us. I thought they were better than that.
I dunno, maybe the fact of requiring a gmail account to setup an android phone has something to do with it maybe?
Haven't used Hotmail since '98 or '99... after they made some funky rules about usage... I got tired of having to re-enable my account [and kill the viruses]... For a while I had my own mail server but when I got the invite to gmail in '01 I put my request in on the domain beta and moved my domain. Smooth sailin' ever since. Who needs Hotmail?
I still run my own mail server... Don't forget that under the stored communications act the government can get any emails stored by a third party for more than 6 months with no need for a warrant.
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I have three domains, and I just moved the mail hosting from Network Solutions to Google, which is free and provides 10x the space per mailbox. (At Netsol, I had 2500 mailboxes available, at 1gig each; I would rather have 25 mailboxes at 100 gig each, but you can't do that.) Now I have all my mail out in the cloud (and locally cached, of course), which is another form of back should disaster strike. I might start storing documents on Google Drive for the same reasons.
Next, I have to move the domains themselves to another place, like hover.
Net-net, I'll have lower cost and better service.
It takes a little getting used to Google's labels instead of traditional folders, but I'm coming around.
...but have two Gmail accounts for other purposes. I have a TW Business Class account for QOS and trading response. It comes with a static IP and no server restrictions. When my neighbors complain about slow evening and weekend speed, I bob my head up and down and make sympathetic noises. I never see any problem but certainly do pay for it.
Several acquaintances still have Hotmail addresses but a quick scan of my address book only found three. I guess it is diminishing. It seems like they were a lot more common a few year ago.
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Hotmail didn't even deserve the level of use it had: it was competing with AOL, and had the kind of ubiquitous "auto-installed with your computer as as default, and we'll keep trying to re-install it" that AOL used to have. Both services attempted to replace the rest of your desktop and were unusable without very specific clients.
Google's approach of working well, inside your normal web browsers, has been extremely effective. They've also been vastly more reliable than almost any in-house mail server for a lot of reasons: they were able to effectively implement basic spam filtering, they're big enough to survive denial of service attacks, and their distributed and well scaled architectures survive disasters most mail servers can only imagine being able to cope with. Also, they've avoided the religious wars about supported clients and usage models by keeping their systems off-site and their services well defined. The Exchange OWA, and the dozens of "plug-ins" connected to it to support other email clients, have driven people directly to GMail.
Hotmail, and Exchange, _never_ worked well with non-Microsoft clients, whether browsers or IMAP access. Google always did, Google always actually published and followed their API's so other people could integrate with it, and Microsoft _never_ published or followed their own API's. What little Microsoft published was always incomplete when it was not a blatant lie.
Google's use of and investment in open standards paid off.
Two of which are gmail and yes, I'm of "those" that hosts some of my own email accounts. :P
Google announced it had about 350 million monthly active users in January.
Of which a sizable fraction are spambots.
Centralization of almost every service onto just a few commercial services is dangerous to the future openness and non-censored nature of the internet. We just haven't seen it yet on a big enough scale. It's too much all in one place.
The original purpose of the internet was very much the opposite of centralization, and it was that way for many years with great success... but for some reason, everyone suddenly decided to give a single company access to all their private, financial, and even medical conversations, web browsing, and more.
I'm still a Fastmail user. It's a drop in the bucket as it were, but the technology and abilities of Fastmail accounts rivals that of any other provider I've personally used and I've about tried them all.
There is a rumor of Facebook being interested in acquiring Opera, who own Fastmail. One thing about Fastmail I love is you do not have to have cookies enabled to use it. That should be standard.
On one end is running your own mail server. On the other is using gmail.
In the middle, there's using the email you ISP gives you (damn near every single ISP, big or small, supplies POP3) and running a local mail client. This works really well, and it avoids the problems of Gmail snooping all your mail and selling keywords to the ad men. Also avoids the trubbs of the "all eggs in one basket" type.
Gmail is getting better every week.
Too bad I still have a freaking 25MB attachment size limit, which makes that ~10GB allotment fairly insignificant.
I'm not sure if this is a Gmail-specific issue, but I'd like to be able to send more than just PDF documents, ya know?
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Yeah, nowadays spammers have a much easier job, they just send you "trojan.zip", and say "here's your photos from tokyo last night". People still download it and and run it.
As long as people unwilling to use their brain exists, spammers will always find a way to exploit them.
What happened to it? Best interface ever -- gone forever :(. That's what I signed up for, not this GMail w/ Ribbon 2.0 thing.
http://www.google.com/enterprise/apps/business/ -- "Everything your business needs." Yep, even a mail program that has mandatory usability downgrades at no charge!
when you didn't have your mail server configured just right and a spammer would take it over
You neglected to authenticate SMTP clients? Who's fault is that?
and I'm not ashamed to say it. The pay service ( I think its still 20 a year) has very good spam detection and its online gui is quite similar to a desktop client. I primarily use gmail, but I still do hop back into hotmail for password resets or to look up old receipts.
A few notes to mention: Gmail has more monthly active users than Hotmail, but comScore mentions that Google has significantly fewer unique visitors than other rival email services. Hotmail currently sits at No. 1 with 325 million unique visitors, Yahoo takes the No. 2 spot with 298 million users, and Gmail comes in at No. 3 with 289 million users. But while Gmail is still behind in these areas, it will catch up shortly; the other services had a significant head start. Hotmail was launched in 1996, Yahoo Mail was launched in 1997, and, in comparison, Gmail was only created eight years ago in 2004.
Using Gmail’s “internal numbers” to compare against Yahoo and Microsoft’s comScore data may not be truly fair, but these are the numbers each of the companies stand by. Therefore, these are the numbers we will use to proclaim Gmail as the number one e-mail client in all the lands.
Long live King Gmail! Until Microsoft and Yahoo cough up better stats, that is.
In my opinion, I don't trust Google due to privacy policies.
And how many people got a Gmail account because it was the hip thing to do, only to let it be dormant only checking it to prevent expiration?
Meanwhile, the Yahoo! webmail service has sunk to the depths of of the abyss.
From an email administrator's perspective, Yahoo has become one of the more prolific spam sources once you subtract the big spam-friendly hosting services (and you know the ones I'm talking about if you run an SMTP server). Years ago Yahoo seemed indifferent to spammers on its already pretty terrible commercial hosting services, but at least you could report the spam to Yahoo's abuse address. Meanwhile only a moderate amount originated from its free email services, certainly not much more than from other free email providers.
Oh how times have changed! As far as I can tell, the only users of Yahoo's email service are Nigerian scammers, officials of the UN/Microsoft lottery, spambots, and your great aunt Ethel who grudgingly switched to Yahoo eight years ago after you took away her modem and she muttered something about AOL and her "cold dead hands." Unfortunately, your great aunt Ethel only sends email three times a month, and the others send about 500 messages/day, which has had a predictable effect on the ratio of (spam) / ("Obama is sending death panels to hunt me down" aka "ham" or at least as close as it gets from Aunt Ethel).
Seriously, sometimes I go weeks without seeing any legit mail from Yahoo, but not for any lack of delivery attempts. Sure, AOL and Hotmail still send email, but at least AOL has the decency to mark its spam as spam before it arrives, and not much comes in from Hotmail. Even less from Google. Given this situation, I'm forced to conclude that something is seriously wrong with Yahoo.
A small clue to the situation is revealed by Yahoo's recent policy to not even pretend to accept abuse notification. It used to be you'd report abuse and nothing would happen. Now you're told that Yahoo only accepts abuse reports in "abuse reporting format," except that no software anywhere actually produces reports in MARF format, let alone any email clients, and there's little evidence that even if you were to follow the RFC and write your own MARF generator that Yahoo would actually accept the report (and some anecdotal evidence to think they wouldn't), and many reasons to think it would just shitcan 'em even if you did waste your time doing this AND against all odds it accepted them for delivery.
The easiest explanation in my mind is that Yahoo knows it's circling the drain, and in order to keep up appearances for dumb investors that it's not in a long death spiral, it fired everyone who either knew what they were doing or cared. Brilliant! Save money by firing your abuse department. I mean, spam filtering isn't a novel concept at this point, and other services somehow keep from deluging the rest of the Internet with firehoses of crap, but nope, not Yahoo.
And no, I'm not the only one to notice this, so I'm not at all surprised that users are giving up on it. I mean, the problem is sufficiently acute that it must be affecting general mail deliverability for Yahoo users as characteristically indignant admins throw up their arms and conclude that nothing of value will be lost, and that there's little reason to put up with assholes who can't be bothered to accept abuse notifications while sending mountains of rancid spam. If it isn't, I hope it will soon because this is ****ing ridiculous.
So yeah, Google has email service that, besides being likely to be delivered, doesn't suck in all sorts of other ways that Yahoo does from a user perspective...or so I've gathered secondhand since I sure as Hell don't use Yahoo myself.
That sound you hear is me tapping my fingers waiting for Yahoo to finish dying already. I know, it could take a while. Yeah, yeah, even AOL still has a couple of greenish gray fingers wiggling from the grave, but come on already...
Last time I checked (maybe a year ago) I think I discovered that posting AC would also undo the moderations, it just wouldn't warn you beforehand.
I read that it depends on whether or not you are logged in. You have to log out before posting anonymous. Posting logged-in-anonymous is not good enough.
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Gmail's interface is addictively clean and at the same time functional and powerful. Once you've tried Gmail, it's unlikely you'll go back to Hotmail or Yahoo Mail.
When I look at Hotmail I now feel like stabbing myself in the eyes. Sorry, but Gmail has spoiled me.
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While gmail used to be the storage space king, it has been unseated by other services which offer "unlimited" space (such as yahoo). Of course, it remains to be seen how unlimited these services really are in practice... but what I know is that I am already struggling with space with my current e-mail provider which offers me 10GB, and that does not incite me to move to gmail. Wasn't it space the main factor that made people adopt gmail in the first place ?
>People still download it and and run it.
That. I gave up spamfighting as a hobby when the spammers stopped looking for open relays and went to just hijacking broadband connections and botnets. It's one thing when you could fire off a postmaster@example.com and cross your fingers that it would get read and an account nuked or a relay closed, but something entirely when a spammer's got his load spread among 1,000 (or tens or hundreds of thousand) broadband Wintel toybox machines.
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So, you proclaimed to your girlfriend that you were a 2x4 and to sudden dismay you was a 1x1?
I use Yahoo daily. Works great. Spam free. Been using it for about 15 years. Sounds like you're a pissed off gadfly.
...then post anonymously to reverse it.
I gave up spamfighting as a hobby
All but a few noble souls have. The rest who run mailservers set up spamassassin to auto-update rules and go on to other tasks.
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This is indeed true, although the moderator FAQ makes no mention of it anymore. An oversight that shall be rectified.
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I took up hotmail when it first came out because I was tired of changing my email address, notifying everyone of the change, being ignored, and then missing mail. When gmail came along, it was just another address change I didn't need.
Hotmail is pissy about forwarding. You can't autoforward. Many things can now be done in bulk, but not forwarding. You used to be able to grab your mail through your favorite client via pop3 or imap, and you could autoforward that way with the right client, but they shut that down when they started throwing ads.
Spam doesn't get through anymore, I whitelist by addressbook, the rest goes into Junk mail, and I look it over every week for a laugh.
I have a gmail account, but I only use it for Google Docs, and for chatting with my one friend who is in love with gmail and invited me.
I don't need to "remember" those days. Only a complete idiot would trust his email to a company like Google. Anyone on /. who cannot set up Ubuntu with Postfix should turn in his geek card.
spamassassin and greylisting. The later takes care of 99% of the junk on my server. By the time spamassassin, and the Bayesian filtering in Thunderbird have done their job, there's nothing left. I get less spam on my own server than I see on Gmail.
The FAQ is better left as it is - a trap for those with ill will.
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I'm really curious if my fellow senior slashdotters haven't owned "myname.com" for their own value of myname. I thought that was expected. Maybe that's a good Ask Slashdot.
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just dont change anything. or I will leave. I would still be using myspace except they let some donky redesign it.
With Facebook creating email addresses for all of its 700 million+ users, does that not immediately make Facebook the largest webmail service?
Remember when people ran their own mail servers?
I still do, thank you. With more and more of the world coming online, most of the new(er) users are not computer-experts (those have been online for a long time already). So naturally, those new(er) users will choose service that provide what they need.
That doesn't mean that millions of people still run their own mail servers and will continue to do so.
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This is good news because anything that is not controlled by pc-software monopoly means less tools for limiting our choice of operating system. If MS was bigger in internet, we could not use it without Windows+IE.
Of course, we still don't have real choice because software and hardware are MS only, but it is something.
And even if Google gets more power, which could mean monopoly over internet, it is better to have different monopoly there than to give it too to MS.
We need choices and competition. Healthy market (lot's of choices) is the way of evolution and also the only way to protect consumers.
Gosh, next you'll be saying they have their own search engine, instead of just throwing a script kiddie wrapper around someone else's.
Good set of postfix rules and a very mild tweaking of Spamassassin and I have nearly no spam reach my inbox.
smtpd_client_restrictions = permit_mynetworks,
reject_unknown_client_hostname,
reject_unauth_pipelining,
check_client_access pcre:/etc/postfix/reject-domains,
permit
smtpd_helo_restrictions = permit_mynetworks,
check_helo_access pcre:/etc/postfix/nomail-domains,
check_helo_access mysql:/etc/postfix/reject-helo-mydomains.cf,
reject_invalid_helo_hostname,
reject_non_fqdn_helo_hostname,
permit
smtpd_sender_restrictions = permit_mynetworks,
check_sender_access pcre:/etc/postfix/nomail-domains,
check_sender_access mysql:/etc/postfix/reject-sender-mydomains.cf,
reject_non_fqdn_sender,
reject_unknown_sender_domain,
permit
smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks,
reject_unauth_destination,
check_recipient_access pcre:/etc/postfix/reject-users,
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Instead of fixing the faq, why not fix the problem? Add a "undo moderation" button next to any posts you have moderated.
Currently we have a considerable number of "resetting moderation" posts that just serve to spam threads.
POP is a bit of a relic. You can use IMAP instead. If you really want your mail downloaded locally, IMAP can do that, too.
Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
900,000 Android activations per day can do that. Got to be giving old monkeyboy a sleepless night or two.
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So? Does it change the fact that it's now the largest webmail service?
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I think the initial storage space was one of the most important feature to made people change to gmail service, it was my case.
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It's easy to abuse undoable moderation. Mod something you disagree with up, wait for it to get 2-3 overrated mods, and then undo it. Rather than making it easy to undo moderation, they should fix the terrible zero-click UI for moderating, so that you need to confirm that you did select the correct post and that you did actually mean that moderation. Or make moderation take a minute to be propagated to the database and allow undo only in this time. A simple finger slip can change the moderation from insightful to troll (or vice versa).
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I've never seen the point of those posts.
Why not contribute something useful to the page? Or at least make a funny joke.
Provided your ISP handles your own email domain, which mine does. I've moved it once already with no trouble at all.
But is there anybody that really cares THAT MUCH to go through all that trouble? I mean seriously, is there anything that is gonna be THAT earth shaking posted here? if you just post honestly frankly the mods even themselves out and you'll have decent karma, the only thing I would change (other than as you said fix the whole zero click problem) is to make sure that a mod doesn't keep going after a single user, just to make sure they are actually moderating and not attacking a single user because of some sort of grudge. After all if its a truly shitty post somebody else will mod it down, no need for one mod to keep hitting the same user unless there is some sort of a vendetta thing going on. i would have it that if they modded the same user twice in X number of days they would get a heads up and if they continued to go after that user then they wouldn't get any mod points ever again. Oh and maybe have a limit on number of accounts by IP, as crazy sock puppety like Mikey 500 accounts is a little too damned obvious.
As for TFA, I thought Yahoo Mail was the biggest, did MSFT somehow get credit for the Yahoo users when they did the search deal? I can tell you here at the shop that Yahoo mail and Yahoo messenger seem to be the most popular with customers by a pretty large margin, just as the number 1 start page? That damned Yahoo portal. While i think its the most cluttered mess I've ever seen users seem to love that crap, they use it like they used to use the daily paper, checking headlines, weather, hell even their horoscopes if they are into that.
In the end as long as we have choice? i honestly don't care who is #1. so congrats Google, don't really like your mail UI (I only use it for a public email address since it does have killer spam filtering) but so long as we have choices I'm happy for you.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
Yeah, all of my emails are Yahoo, and then they gained even more favor for me as being the Not-Gmail service.
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Far better than shitty centralistic monopolists.
I have an ancient work machine at work that is 32bit xp with 3.5GB of usable ram. Gmail on browser sometimes sucks 1gb of memory. I will try to use a imap client instead next week i m back to work.
Interestingly Google have declined to allow anyone to independently verify this fact; this is just Google saying so, so hardly the most reliable of sources.
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We have undoable moderation right now, it just has the side effect of spamming the threads.
Also, an undo button might be restricted to be usable only for, say, 5 minutes after moderation. That's more than enough time to notice you've mis-moderated, but too short to be useful for gaming the system.
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You're also not limited to just Google's market anyway.
Unless your bank's check deposit application isn't available anywhere but Google's market.
Because there isn't a -1 I disagree with you.
Yes there is, and it's called "Overrated". Moreover, "Overrated" is said not to show up in metamoderation.
Assuming this has to be a me too comment in this group
There's more to it than this.
The FAQ is better left as it is - a trap for those with ill will.
It accomplishes the opposite. People who have worked to figure out how to exploit the system can do so, while people who had no ill intent get caught.
I pay for my email now, because I want to be someone's customer, not someone's product
Fastmail is great. No ads, a decent Web UI when I want it, and a dedicated sysadmin team that does nothing but mail. All the Bayesian filtering, Sieve rules and DKIM signing you could want. Plus, I keep my conversations and business dealings out of Google's maw (although it's hard to avoid people who use GMail), and there's Yubikey authentication for when I'm on someone else's machine.
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I have administered mail servers professionally before and have quite a bit of experience with it. If I'm not being paid to do it I'm sure as hell paying someone else to deal with the hassle.
Absolutely unacceptable in this day and age.
It was 2001. I was working for an isp in the midwest, in the noc. Start seeing '/var/spool/mail ballooning out of control, filling up the f@#$ partition' errors coming from a mail server in Idaho. Login to machine to investigate, see that approximately 40 users of a common domain (hosted domain for email) had forwarded a 9MB .avi not only to everyone that shared their domain, but several other local users who also began spamming people with this thing. It was that damned video of the guy fishing for salmon that gets in a fistfight with a bear.
they should fix the terrible zero-click UI for moderating
Technically, it's one click to open the menu, and one click to select the moderation ;)
I agree 100% though with the rest, though. There needs to be a temporary undo feature or an actual submit button after you select the appropriate modifier.
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This sounds familiar. Where have I seen this used before? Oh right, that's how it works in D1! To this day, I have no idea why they thought D2 was actually an improvement.
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While I don't use Hotmail myself, and am a Gmail users...registered users doesn't equate to active mail users. Google accounts do much than just mail. It's not at all safe to assume that everyone with a Google account uses Gmail. They have been using these same stats to claim they have huge growth in Google+ registrations...uhm, but everyone with a Google account essentially (yes I know you have to go through on step) has a G+ account, but how many people use G+? Hardly anyone. Their Chrome stats are also pretty questionable, because they measure downloads and highly active users instead of individuals when viewing marketshare.
I traveled South America for a year and everyone I know there uses Hotmail. When I show them Gmail, they don't see enough benefits to switch.
Nope, but it means that they will probably maintain a pretty big user base for a while south of the border.
They need to sell their service under a different brand name. I was helping about a 50 Y.O. small business owner set up a website, and wanted to set up a free web email service as well. When we started discussing the options, he laughed off using anything branded "Hotmail" or "Yahoo" and finally settled on Gmail. They should brand part of Hotmail as MSmail.com
They might need to undo them, because they modded down, but wanted to mod up.
They don't bother explaining, because they have been doing it for so long, and they assume that others already understand.
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It's perfectly clear why they need to undo a mod. I just don't see why they need do it by saying "Posting to undo moderation". Any post anywhere on the page will undo the moderation; surely they can make a normal comment somewhere.
There is no reason why running a server should have disadvantages for your ISP. If there was competition among ISPs, no ISP would impose such a restriction.
Other than that, a small virtual host at Funkfeuer.at (Austrian ISP made to finance their Freifunk project) only costs 9 Euros a month. It's even cheaper at commercial providers.
I'm also considering this as a possibility because I might have to move next year and it would be nice for the mailserver to stay up then.
There are a shit-ton of dead accounts on both Yahoo and HotMail. Gmail has been then defacto go-to mail solution for some time. Just about every user that contacts me uses a gmail account. Rarely see anything else.
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People can in general, but if I don't have any meaningful insight or useful information, then I would try to keep the comment to an absolute minimum. A lot of comments are repetitive, wouldn't you agree?
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greylisting adds to much delay.
A certificate isn't the expensive part; an IP address is. Most of these budget hosting plans pack about a thousand customers' web sites onto one IP address using name-based virtual hosting. Several web browsers still don't support Server Name Indication (SNI), the feature that allows use of name-based virtual hosting with SSL. Clients without SNI, such as Internet Explorer for Windows XP, Safari for Windows XP, and Android Browser for Android 2.x, see the certificate for only the first site on an IP address. Try visiting this site using IE on XP for example.
But are they REALLY dead, or do they just not talk to YOU with them? No offense meant but I don't give anyone but friends and family my yahoo accounts, my Gmail is strictly for public contacts like...well slashdot. this way i don't have to care about some spammer scraping it and piling onto an account I give a damn about and most of the folks I've talked to have both a "public" and a "private" account although many are now using the FB contact as public and their Yahoo or Hotmail (which I really only see older folks using) is private.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
I just moderated about 5 on another page, then posted one AC on it, if it undid the moderations, it didn't give them back to use again.
yahoo and hotmail still put spam within the email, right? Unless they refrain I'm not interested in moving (my 7g of used gmail) to them.
Yes, that is correct. It is a feature that was built in early on. It's still explained in the FAQ.
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I meant probably still explained in the FAQ.
That being said, don't bother looking. I just checked, and it seems that they removed it.
The reason is that they wanted to prevent people from moderating, and then deliberately trying to get the points back for later use.
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