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Copyrights To Reach Deep Space
bs0d3 writes "Voyager 1 is expected to reach interstellar space soon. It will be the first made made object to cross the heliosphere, which is the final stop in our solar system. Voyager 1, famously contained a gold phonographic record. The record was filled with iconic sights, images, and sounds from earth, and the prevailing message, "we come in peace". The disc was [composed] by a man named Carl Sagan, and it contained many pieces of art, songs, and images, that are all copy-written. According to NASA, 'Most of the material they used was copyrighted by the creators/owners and Sagan had to get copyright releases in order to assemble the original record. Subsequently, Warner Multimedia was able to obtain copyright releases for the 1992 version of "Murmurs of Earth" .. Unfortunately, the book and CDROM are no longer being published and are hard to find as a set.'"
Say piss on your your copyrights........
"The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old......They literally know nothing." - Ben Rhodes
Can human apply the earth laws, such as copyrights, into other corners in the universe?
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
Copyright should expire after a time *and* distance.
Also, it's copyrighted, not copywritten.
"It will be the first made made object "
"The disc was comprised by a man "
"that are all copy-written. "
Aliens don't respect your stinkin' copyrights!
by Cyphase ( 907627 )
... with aliens is a 30 second ad telling them 'Piracy is a crime'
The disc was comprised by a man named Carl Sagan
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -Aldous Huxley
Nice - First contact is made by an American lawyer who serves a DMCA violation to the aliens because they illegally copied the gold record to a digital format so they could play it in their spaceship.
... And we're off to a great start!
The lawyer tries to explain the violation to the alien - but the alien is unable to understand how even though it has returned the gold record, it has still 'stolen' a copy.
I'm going to apologize in advance for the much swearing and caps. Here goes:
GOD DAMN PISS-ASS RIAA FUCKERS WHO THINK WITH THEIR FUCKING WALLETS AND THEIR GOD DAMN SOULESS BODIES BENT ON SCREWING EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING: HUMAN OR NON-HUMAN!!!!
To hell with the copyright. That music was written without the intent of becoming rich. The music industry can come and kiss my ass cause aliens are not bloody likey going to pay us, an increasingly stupifying species hell bent on destroying itself, the earth, and everything around us. I'm getting my Louisville slugger and going to establish some fucking common sense in this god damn society we call America. Fuck off, 1%, this is the land of the Free, not the land of let's fuck everyone in the ass like our mother country did to us.
Nope. That would be the Oort cloud and it's way, way further out.
...asphyxiating in the cold reaches of interstellar space?
Money well spent.
I hope that in centuries to come, our descendants will look back on copyright and 'intellecutal property' as a stupid little social experiment that became a painful learning experience.
'Man, I'm glad we don't to go through that crap. Can you believe they had to PAY for data?!'
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What a fucking lie. If we look at human history, it's obvious that Mankind is a warrior race.
Also, the past-tense verb that you desire is "copyrighted."
Let q be a radix > 1. I am in ur base-q, killing 10 d00ds.
Well see the detail that is overlooking in all those alien invasion/earth apocalypse stories is: We started it by filing legal notices against economic and militarily superior cultures, whom upon review of our claims realized that due to their age and infinite knowledge we had in fact had our entire development infringe upon their intellectual property, and having given up courts millions of eons ago as a waste of time, sought to contest our claims through the age old solution: force of arms.
Them not having access to our culture would be no big deal.
On the other hand we would be fucked as they file patents on all the technology that they have that we don't and thereby hold a monopoly on all human technological progress.
Boffoonery - downloadable Comedy Benefit for Bletchley Park
That would be the Oort cloud
So it's copyrighted music in the cloud. How is this any more or less illegal than services like MP3tunes?
Good lord, What if space aliens obtain this disc one day and rip it (Ogg Vorbis?) to some crazy god-forsaken interstellar file sharing network?!? (ie. The Pirate Space Docking Bay) What would we do?! Send out Cease and Desist letters via SETI?? What if they perceived this as a hostile act? We could end up in galactic war!!
... Voyager will reach another solar system. Mickey Mouse will still be under copyright.
Did the disk come with a foreword by Sonny Bono?
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I spent a long time searching for a copy of the CD. I scoured every used bookstore I could find. I found multiple copies of the book, but never the CD. Couldn't even find it on ebay. Finally, someone on Demonoid put up a torrent. I contacted the original seeder and he had searched long and hard just like me. It's a remarkable collection of music. Such a shame the music we chose to share with the universe as a testament of who we are cannot be shared amongst ourselves.
Does the "made made" record contain copyright notices? If not, how does humanity expect to enforce possible violations?
I'm sure aliens will give a damn about copyrights and lawyer's Bah Mitzvah funds. We sure as hell don't LOL.
Greeting From The Secretary General Of The UN
...if you're looking for either "Murmurs of Earth" or the CD-ROM, just ask a Swedish website and click on a magnet or two.
Greetings In 55 Languages
UN Greetings & Whale Greetings
The Sounds Of Earth
J. S. Bach - Brandenburg Concerto No. 2 In F, First Movement
Java, court gamelan - Kinds Of Flowers
Senegal, percussion - Tchenhoukoumen
Zaire - Pygmy Girls' Initiation Song
Australian Aborigine songs - Morning Star And Devil Bird
Mexico - El Cascabel (performed by Lorenzo Barcelata)
Chuck Berry - Johnny B. Goode
Papua New Guinea - Men's House Song
Japan, shakuhachi - Cranes In Their Nest (performed by Coro Yamaguchi)
J. S. Bach - Gavotte En Rondeaux, from the Partitia No. 3 In E Minor For
Mozart - The Magic Flute, Queen Of The Night Aria, No. 14
Georgia, chorus - Tchakrulo
Peru - Panpipes And Drum Song
Louis Armstrong & His Hot Seven - Melancholy Blues
Azerbaijan Bagpipes - Ugam
Stravinsky - Rite Of Spring, Sacrificial Dance
J. S. Bach - The Well-Tempered Clavier, Book 2, Prelude And Fugue In C, No. 1
Beethoven - Symphony No. 5 In C Minor, First Movement
Bulgaria - Izlel Je Delyo Hagdutin (sung by Valya Balkanska)
United States - Navajo Night Chant
Holborne - Fairie Round, from Paueans, Gaillards, Almains, And Other Short A
Solomon Islands - Melanesian Panpipes
Peru - Wedding Song
China, Ch'in - Flowing Streams (performed by Kuan P'ing-hu)
India, Raga - Jaat Kahan Ho (sung by Surshri Kesar Bai Kerkar)
Blind Willie Johnson - Dark Was The Night
Beethoven - String Quartet No. 13 In B Flat, Opus 130, Cavatina
Geeks like to think that they can ignore politics, you can leave politics alone, but politics won't leave you alone.-rms
Obviously...
The hope is that aliens who find Voyager won't know about it being copyrighted, and so will excitedly copy their proof of alien life (ie. us) a billion times over by the time we finally meet them.
The plan is to then sue the aliens to the High Heavens when we meet them. (So much for space wars.)
Seriously? What is the point?
One thing though... What if the word "peace" means "war" in whatever language "aliens" out there speak? We're f'cked?
The ISS seems to be in a area of lax copyright law.
As they can easily get TV shows, first run moves (still in movie theaters)
"If the crew wants specific movies, music or TV shows, we can uplink them to the server and they can then access them from any computer."
"Crew members aboard the ISS can request specific films and TV shows to be uploaded to a central file server, which they can then watch on any of the Station's laptops."
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/interview-the-space-stations-it-guys-49304003/
And I don't think they run windows and I don't think Hollywood likes a very open media server with out a direct internet link.
...will come as a RIAA lawsuit.
So, if an alien ship finds our Voyager, and tries to play the disc, ILLEGALY, the RIAA will sue them, and USA will declare a war nuke them for copyright violation? Oh, and then the poor alien would be deported to USA for proper process, LOL.
And i almost forgot, as the alien does not have our "advance" technology, they would be forced to change the format, which we all pretty well know is another violation of the DRM, so with other words: BAD ALIEN, BAD.
I'd like to see some advanced alien civilization intercept Voyager and send it back to us without comment, just to see what we'd do.
When it arrives in 40 years or so, NASA has no idea what it is and can't read the disc because it can't find a phonograph. "It appears to be some ancient audio device, but even our oldest laserdisc players can't make heads or tails of it." And even if it could, it couldn't listen to the disc because a government-mandated program embedded in the phonograph detected copyrighted material. "RIGHTS MANAGEMENT ERROR. YOU DO NOT HAVE PERMISSION TO LISTEN TO THIS COPYRIGHTED RECORDING." Ultimately they melt down the gold and sell it to help pay for their continued work on coming up with a successor to the space shuttle.
ran its own ad-$ ?? Okay, Charlie !! A site would scrap everything off of slashdot, do its own ad-$, and sit back and do nothing else !! Okay, Charlie !! Copyright exists for a reason !! Okay, Charlie !!
Dunno if I'm the only one who thinks so, but if the copyright holder ceases / refuses to publish a work, I believe that anyone should be free to make a copy of the work. Just sayin'.
According to NASA, 'Most of the material they used was copyrighted by the creators/owners and Sagan had to get copyright releases in order to assemble the original record. Subsequently, Warner Multimedia was able to obtain copyright releases for the 1992 version of "Murmurs of Earth" .. Unfortunately, the book and CDROM are no longer being published and are hard to find as a set.'
OK, am I really missing something so unique in all the universe, that my world will just end if I don't have this?
Maybe somebody should have added a warning to any aliens who may find the disc that copying it will result in them paying millions of dollars in fines and having their serves seized...
Ugh, it's like IP groups have convinced some people that "copyrights" are an actual entity!
And that they're travelling through space!
And that they're valuable. And that those who produce many copyrights are entitled at least as much as those who actually create works of art (the physical copyrights being more valuable than the works, see).
Step 1: Aliens discover Voyager 1, make billions of copies.
Step 2: We make contact.
Step 3: Supreme Court, controlled by the MAFIAA, nullfies the releases. Lawsuits against the aliens proceed.
Step 4: Aliens get ticked off by untrustworthy, greedy Earthlings and destroy the planet, wiping out the human race.
Maybe the RIAA should take some of those massive profits they didn't actually lose, build a spaceship, and go get it. It makes sense to be worried though, as aliens likely have the technology to duplicate files and discs quite rapidly.
If the Slashdot 'editors' even exist, does this have any impact on our understanding of the Higgs Boson, and will the subsequent copy-righted intellectual property be litigated across interstellar space using the ansible?
If not, someone will have to update our understanding of the term 'protracted legal battle'.
Even Klingons know that battle would have to be served by or distant genetic cousins.
https://thepiratebay.se/torrent/4072098
That was truly exhausting.
Thank you, Edward Snowden.
"Arguments from authority are worthless." —Carl Sagan
What if the word "peace" means "war" in whatever language "aliens" out there speak?
That's already the case in English. For example, the Arabic greeting translated as "good day" literally means "peace on you." Yet if you say "peace on you" with an accent, it sounds like words that could start a war: "Piss on you."
But seriously, the false friend situation you describe would take effect only if "we come in" is the same in both languages.
It's actually very representative of the two-faced attitude of humanity: the message of peace in the record is delivered by a former Nazi.
That's the real problem with this record, not the fact that it's copyrighted.
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
"Copy-written"?
Liberty in your lifetime
The aliens are probably just trying to avoid lawsuits by keeping their existence secret while they quietly download our valuable copyright material. However we Earth people are already implementing the perfect defense. Here all we have to do is to keep continuing our present policy of extending copyright terms every time "Mickey Mouse" is in danger of falling into the public domain. We keep doing this until we perfect our faster than life drive..
So you thought you could escape eh Zog? That's $150,000 per infringed song.
"We the lawyers of Omicron Persei 9 issue this written demand for the people of earth to cease and desist all public displays of intelligence. As our race predates the human race by 37,456,239 years, 5 months, 12 days, 3 hours, and 56 minutes, it is obvious that any articulations of intelligence by humans is a violation of the copyright laws of Omicron Persei 9. You will be given 170 days to comply with this request. If you do not comply within the allotted time, we will persecute the human race to the fullest extent of universal law; this may or may not include in no particular order the following methods of recompensation: anal probing, missing socks, destruction of your major cities, plagues and diseases, blue screens of death, internet seizure, erectile dysfunction, enslavement of the human race, and ingestion of the human race."
Just because a movie is still in theaters doesn't mean it can't be shown anywhere else if the person/organization (eg, NASA) has permission from the copyright owner(s). That permission may even include being able to stream it from a central file server.
I don't need to test my programs.. I have an error correcting modem.
And I don't think they run windows and I don't think Hollywood likes a very open media server with out a direct internet link.
They have windows powered thinkpads on the station. Your link mentions them. They talk about virus updates and having to reflash the drives. Pictures of them are easy to find.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TORU_docking_system.jpg
Also I'm pretty sure hollywood and the media companies are the ones providing the movies to NASA. I don't think there is some NASA pc running bittorrent and forwarding the downloads to the ISS.
I have to return some videotapes...
How do we know they are greetings? I greet my friends with words like "Bitch", and... well other not so nice words, what if we've just started an intergalactic flame war in a language we don't even understand?
or worse
What if they are saying "Please kill the human race"?
or even worse
What if we've violated some kind of marine copyright law we don't even know about and the whales rise up against us?
Humans are so inconsiderate sometimes :(
I'm not signing anything
Now Humans will invade Aliens for copyright infringement a la Avatar.
That the finders of this awesome artifact don't annihilate us for using their technology. Copyright and patent law's sole purpose is to stifle innovation. Period. But sharing of data, bits, and bytes will always survive. Human beings are a sharing species.
SUE ALL OF THE ALIENS.
The brilliance of the plan is that by the time the Earth lawyers find out that the Klingons have been listening to our music, a couple of centuries will have past (with the speed of light and the size of our galaxy and all). Imagine the calculations for the lost revenues. :-)
Which weigh about 40kg and will be arriving at the RIAA main office at about 12km/s.
FRA: STFU GTFO
Copy-writing is the act of writing copy. Copy being the text of an piece of media. I guess technically this is true - much of the copy had been written. I'm not sure this is what you meant.
Copyright is the exclusive right to make a copy. Much of the material has been copyrighted. This is presumably what was meant here.
I don't think the word "comprised" means what you think it means.
Hmm, that gold record sounds quite valuable. What would I have to do in order to retrieve it? (after all it's just floating out there in space, it's not like anyone will stop me from nabbing it ;))
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
Next, the lawyer issues a bill for $1.48*10^8601 based on a price of $9.99 adjusted for 1000,000 years of economic growth at an average rate of 2%, the premise being that the alien civilization appears to be approximately a million years more advanced than us.
Yep, the first signal that humans send to an extra-terrestrial civilization will be a cease and desist notice.
We are at the brink of one of humanities greatest achievement and /. runs a story about copyright...
... in consequence, they look bemused and say, "What's a lawyer?"
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
The record was filled with iconic sights, images, and sounds from earth, and the prevailing message, "we come in peace".
No, I'm afraid we don't.
I'd say we build a large space ship, put all our lawyers, RIAA, and MPAA representatives on it, and send it after Voyager so that they can fix this before it gets out of hand!
I would hope in slashdot, if not everywhere in the world we could address Carl Sagan as if we know him, not as "By a man called Carl Sagan". It makes me special to be able to put a face upon hearing this name.
fuck em all
and this just shows how wrong the earth has gone
what the bloody hell would space aliens think?
no really
we allow people to die and starve on our planet and yet its ok to have 99 year copyrights now in canada
watch as actors and musicans and the label people start getting thumped for real....
one thing you dont know about us canucks when we feel repressed we actually will act violently....
one nut even went beyond that so far and chopped up someone....
do you see where this leads?
DO YOU?
TOO FAR happened a decade ago....
Legal territory of Earth only goes far out as the Moon. After that this is international space where Earth has no right or legal power to enforce it's laws. Population of Earth is not part of any space treaty, union or legal body that holds international space laws on the subject of copyright or other laws. Until that happens, there is going to be limit how far Earth law reach into space.
I don't usually post grammar-nazi stuff, but this error is particularly awful.
/. don't know who Carl Sagan is, or that he was a man.] But considering that he didn't actually write or narrate the content, "composed by", too, is incorrect. If this were a book, one could say that he served as editor. But when it comes to music "editor" often means the guy at the mixing console, which Sagan definitely was not. The most correct thing would be to say that Sagan curated the disc.
A whole comprises its parts, as in "My computer comprises a microprocessor, memory, a monitor, and input devices."
A whole is composed of its parts, as in "My computer is composed of a microprocessor...."
There simply is no such thing as "comprised by," even though many people seem to think so. Reading the summary, one gets the impression that they chopped off Carl Sagan's arm and pressed it into a record.
The correct usage would be to say that "the disc was composed by a man named Carl Sagan." [As though readers at
The English language, like computer languages, is a terrible and wonderful thing, but only if you use it correctly.
Indeed, if you are really rich and want to build a home theater of your dreams in the California area, there was this one company who rented actual theater copies on hard drives to their clients. All kinds of arrangements can be made with the studios and they are trying different business models on a small scale, miraculously.
I was led to believe spaceships are before launch sterilised and sanitised so as to limit the chances of infecting remote habitats, how come this one slipped by?
"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
No Doubt this was all a ploy to collect royalties from any extra-terrestrials we find.
When the aliens find Voyager and use the directions on the disc to come to take our water and barbeque us, we will have them nailed on copyright violations.
If Slashdot were chemistry it would look like this:Cadaverine
It's copyright as in the right to distribute copies. Copywritten is not only not a word, it doesn't even make sense.
Amoy (Min dialect)
"Friends of space, how are you all? Have you eaten yet? Come visit us if you have time."
What would one think of that?
Here's the "scenes": http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/spacecraft/scenes.html
Let's see if I can infringe on the copyright for the calibration circle: O
When the aliens finally discover Voyager 1 and want to see what's inside... will they have to slide something to unlock it?
And behold, a command prompt and he who sat upon it, his name was shutdown and -h 3:11 followed with him
I read the headline as "Copyrights To Reach Derp Space," and I was like, "We're already there. We are already there."
And I thought product placement was a relatively new phenomenon.
(the first) "object to cross the heliosphere". I think they mean the first object to LEAVE the heliosphere, or the first object to cross the heliopause. I can remember reading articles over 20 years ago about how Voyager was about to cross the heliopause. It never seems to get there. The heliopause is a lot further out than anyone ever thought when Voyager was launched.
Its just a pretense so they have an excuse to extend copyright from 150 year to an infinite amount of years based on relativity...
Voyager 1, famously contained a gold phonographic record.
Contained?
There is no past tense. It will go on forever, ever-present.
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The credulity is strong with this one......
This film may have captured the scenario in a nutshell. They make an excellent point. The aliens may be getting the slowest delivery of a "gold-master" disc short of the BMG music service, but they could've been making mix-tapes of our pop-hits for decades now! Better call your lawyer Chewbacca, and cut that hair hippie! http://omg.yahoo.com/news/review-zero-fresh-clever-funny-182115042.html