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Microsoft Engineer Discovers Android Spam Botnet, Google Denies Claim

An anonymous reader writes "Microsoft engineer Terry Zink has discovered Android devices are being used to send spam. He has identified an international Android botnet and outlined the details on his MSDN blog. A closer look at the e-mails' header information shows all the messages come from compromised Yahoo accounts. Furthermore, they are also stamped with the 'Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android' signature. Google has denied the allegations. 'The evidence does not support the Android botnet claim,' a Google spokesperson said in a statement. 'Our analysis suggests that spammers are using infected computers and a fake mobile signature to try to bypass anti-spam mechanisms in the email platform they're using.'"

152 comments

  1. Just link to the ACTUAL blog entry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Would it kill you to link to MSDN - where the blog entry actually resides? I get the anti-MS sentiment (although jeez, quit living in the 90s), but making readers jump to ZDNet first (or sending them back to /.) is just being passive aggressive.

    1. Re:Just link to the ACTUAL blog entry by John3 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Here's the original blog entry.

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    2. Re:Just link to the ACTUAL blog entry by ozmanjusri · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Fascinating conclusion he's come to. It looks like MS engineers don't understand Joe jobs.

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    3. Re:Just link to the ACTUAL blog entry by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      man, a microsoft guy who is convinced that it is actual android spam as opposed to that people could say "sent from yahoo! mail on android"?

      say it ain't so!

      It's almost like jumping to conclusions or something.

    4. Re:Just link to the ACTUAL blog entry by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Fascinating conclusion he's come to. It looks like MS engineers don't understand Joe jobs.

      Under normal circumstances, MS does not hire idiots (with exception of Ballmer, of course)

      So ... this looks more like that MS engineer trying to make a name for himself
       

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    5. Re:Just link to the ACTUAL blog entry by Tough+Love · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I get the anti-MS sentiment (although jeez, quit living in the 90s)

      Microsoft remains as evil as it ever was, two decades later. Anti-MS sentiment is not only richly deserved, but prudent.

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    6. Re:Just link to the ACTUAL blog entry by Unoriginal_Nickname · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Microsoft is evil in the same way that suicide is a sin. We're talking about a company that's only relevant on one doomed platform, choking to death on too many brands and too many failed attempts to enter other markets. Unix is everywhere. Unix beat Microsoft a long time ago.

      Stop poisoning the discourse by giving Microsoft such a disproportionate share of the hate. Adobe's just as bad, and Oracle's a lot worse. Why don't you rail against them? Why don't we talk about how, once Windows is gone, our only practical choice will be between a walled garden or an operating system that's philosophically dominated by the toxic, vapid musings of a man who literally believes that it is better to let your children starve to death than ply your trade as a software developer?

    7. Re:Just link to the ACTUAL blog entry by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1

      So ... this looks more like that MS engineer trying to make a name for himself

      Maybe.

      But I wouldn't put it past Microsoft to experiment with the Backfire Effect in their marketing. It's been in the news a bit lately, so it'd be topical for them.

      http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4111544.html

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    8. Re:Just link to the ACTUAL blog entry by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It don't smell like a Joe Job to me, its smells like another Yahoo bug. Those that read one of my previous journal entries here knows that there was a bug that would let anyone surfing with FF who had a Yahoo account send spam thanks to a hidden iFrame, and frankly looking at my spam folder there is a LOT, I mean a hell of a lot, of spam both coming from Android and from regular but with ONE thing in common...Yahoo.

      I have to wonder if the spammers haven't found a way to use the same bug they used on FF on Android, because yahoo's new layout seems especially weak to this form of attack it makes more sense that they are using a browser hack than having the entire Android system compromised but who knows? There are a hell of a lot of older Android versions out there, maybe they found a weakspot in the 2.x line and are hitting it.

      But in the end somebody needs to be talking to the security guys at Yahoo and find out what they are using to hit their emails, be it a browser hack or something nastier.

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    9. Re:Just link to the ACTUAL blog entry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      or an operating system that's philosophically dominated by the toxic, vapid musings of a man who literally believes that it is better to let your children starve to death than ply your trade as a software developer?

      Someone explain to me how the hell an overexagerated, inaccurate ad hominem attack of almost no relevancy gets marked "Insightful?"

    10. Re:Just link to the ACTUAL blog entry by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      seem to be missing the elephant in the room with your examples of evil companies...

    11. Re:Just link to the ACTUAL blog entry by Sir_Sri · · Score: 1

      These are also the guys who were doing daily downloads of something like 50 mb of data (redownloading all of your e-mails) on their first iteration of the windows phone app. So it's entirely possible whatever the problem is, is actually a yahoo problem and not particularly an android problem.

    12. Re:Just link to the ACTUAL blog entry by Sir_Sri · · Score: 1

      His first sentence plays to the crowd well. Before he goes off the deep end completely.

    13. Re:Just link to the ACTUAL blog entry by Unoriginal_Nickname · · Score: 0

      And yet we all obviously know exactly who I'm talking about even though I didn't say a name. Doesn't that tell you something about the state of FOSS?

    14. Re:Just link to the ACTUAL blog entry by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 1

      But I wouldn't put it past Microsoft to experiment with the Backfire Effect [wikipedia.org] in their marketing. It's been in the news a bit lately, so it'd be topical for them.

      Hmm ... you got a point there !!

      After all, the Backfire Effect is part and parcel of Microsoft FUD campaign
       

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    15. Re:Just link to the ACTUAL blog entry by Serious+Callers+Only · · Score: 2

      How do you know the spam comes from android devices?

    16. Re:Just link to the ACTUAL blog entry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft is evil just as masturbation is to sin.

    17. Re:Just link to the ACTUAL blog entry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...about the well-known smear campaign? Yes.

    18. Re:Just link to the ACTUAL blog entry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I get the anti-MS sentiment (although jeez, quit living in the 90s)

      Microsoft hasn't changed attitude. Why should I?

    19. Re:Just link to the ACTUAL blog entry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He doesn't care as long as he gets to take a dig at a FOSS project, in this case, Firefox.

      Never mind that the vuln he's claiming as the cause was a problem for ALL browsers, and one which Mozilla fixed way back in 2009...

    20. Re:Just link to the ACTUAL blog entry by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Because, unlike the paranoid FOSSie who thinks I'm trying to besmirch his "precious" FOSS which is ironic as fuck since the browser I'm running is based on Chromium, I run into these things and try to keep an eye out for them because that is what my customers run into at the shop.

      As for how I know? Because just as email from an iPhone says it comes from an iPhone so too does email from Android, and as I said the amount of Yahoo spams I've seen has gone WAY up as of late and looking at these spams they seem to be pretty evenly spread between Android and just regular Yahoo users.

      Now if it was a "Joe Job" as the "Google Yay!" crowd around here is trying to claim why would BOTH kinds of spam go up? And why ONLY Yahoo spam with the Android tag, not Hotmail or Gmail? Why would spam suddenly spike from Yahoo, but not Gmail or Hotmail if it WAS an Android bug?

      Because while there may BE a bug in Android, i'm not an embedded OS programmer so I have no clue what's going on in their code, the fact that it is ONLY Yahoo that I'm seeing makes me believe its a Yahoo problem not an Android one.

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    21. Re:Just link to the ACTUAL blog entry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      did you not read any of the other comments or...?

      You know you can put whatever footer on an email you want, right?

      Sent from my iPhone 6 on the NASA Network

    22. Re:Just link to the ACTUAL blog entry by seann · · Score: 1

      I think this comment summarizes the reason I never visit slashdot anymore.

      That and you have to wait for a new page to load when making a comment. Annoying.

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    23. Re:Just link to the ACTUAL blog entry by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      That's true. Dislike Microsoft if you like, but they only hire really good people, like Google does.

      Eh, that's not entirely true. I once solved a bug in 10 minutes that our resident "masters" engineer and two $1000/day Microsoft rentals couldn't in two days.

      Of course, I prefer to think of it as I am to them what they are to most of you.

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    24. Re:Just link to the ACTUAL blog entry by nilbog · · Score: 1

      This is the internet. We already complain about everything.

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    25. Re:Just link to the ACTUAL blog entry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You didn't have to say a name, the guy has the OS named after him, it's kinda obvious.

    26. Re:Just link to the ACTUAL blog entry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I actually feel that linux is more of a rich jungle than a walled garden... and that man who mused vapid preachings... he died last year of cancer.

    27. Re:Just link to the ACTUAL blog entry by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      Stop poisoning the discourse by giving Microsoft such a disproportionate share of the hate. Adobe's just as bad, and Oracle's a lot worse. Why don't you rail against them?

      Because the discussion is about Microsoft. Don't worry, the next Adobe or Oracle article posted will get their share of venom.

      Why don't we talk about how, once Windows is gone, our only practical choice will be between a walled garden or an operating system that's philosophically dominated by the toxic, vapid musings of a man who literally believes that it is better to let your children starve to death than ply your trade as a software developer?

      That sounded a bit trollish (how you got modded up is beyond me), but I'm going to assume you're serious. There is no "Linux" and nobody dominates it. There's Red Hat, Ubuntu, Mint, Mandriva, and a host of other Linuxes. Plus there are Gnome, KDE, and other desktops to choose from.

      Your "let your children starve to death than ply your trade as a software developer" sounds like a rant from the RIAA. If my software is better than yours and I'm giving it away, fuck you and the horse you rode in on. Find a job you're better at, it's only your own lazy selfishness that lets your children starve. You sound like Lars complaining about the guy sitting on the corner with a guitar singing his own compositions, for free! Do you have something agaisnt my posting original SF on Slashdot in my journal because it makes some SF writer's children starve? WTF is wrong with you???

      If Windows wasn't so annoying, why in the hell would anyone install Linux in the first place?

    28. Re:Just link to the ACTUAL blog entry by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Yes but unlike the others I have this thing called a brain which can do this thing call deductive reasoning, I know its a concept, but try to follow: 1.-you have only ONE company that is having their user's emails used in this manner, 2.- That SAME company is seeing a HUGE spike in spam, 3.-That same company is the ONLY one seeing emails with Android headers, 4.-While at the same time an EQUAL NUMBER of spam emails coming through that have no Android headers. 5.-While a Joe Job wouldn't be targeting Yahoo of all people when the target of the job is google, not when google has their own wildly popular webmail address which would cause greater embarrassment.

      I'm sorry friend but it don't take Kojack to solve this case as the ONLY COMPANY that is seeing this huge spike across the board is Yahoo which means the odds of it being a Joe Job is VERY low and the odds of it being a Yahoo fuckup, possibly with their yahoo Android and desktop app is VERY high. It just common sense friend, damned shame its practically a superpower now.

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  2. A Microsoft engineer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    and he doesn't realise that any program on any computer on the internet could pretend to be on android? I don't know much about mail but I would guess the"'Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android' signature" would have been set by the client

    1. Re:A Microsoft engineer? by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      and he doesn't realise that any program on any computer on the internet could pretend to be on android? I don't know much about mail but I would guess the"'Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android' signature" would have been set by the client

      Engineer perhaps doesn't mean so much at Microsoft.

      Posted from my AndBot

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    2. Re:A Microsoft engineer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      One wonders how he even really knows they were sent from Yahoo accounts. Maybe that was spoofed too?

      Sent from my Eniac I

    3. Re:A Microsoft engineer? by Megor1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      He is a Program manager so, great journalism zdnet

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    4. Re:A Microsoft engineer? by MrDoh! · · Score: 5, Funny

      I believe him.
      Sent from my Cray Supercomputer. BillGates@Microsoft.com

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    5. Re:A Microsoft engineer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      That was largely my thought, Android devices lack the processing power and access to bandwidth that your average laptop or desktop has. While I'm sure it's technically possible to have an Android spam botnet, it really begs the question as to why anybody would bother to develop such a thing. Considering how unreliable the connects are and how little you can transmit combined with the increased difficulty of getting the code to run, it doesn't seem like something that would be profitable enough to justify making at this point.

    6. Re:A Microsoft engineer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      And you are a blathering idiot if you actually believe MS engineers are not some of the best software engineers in the world. You can go after MS for a whole host of shit but their engineers in their development and R&D entities are hardly stupid. The competition to recruit these people is intense and constant. Google in particular are constantly on the prow to snag engineers of this caliber. The vast majority of MS security and other issues can be placed at the feet of incompetent application developers, inattentive users, poor system administrators, and 3rd party hardware driver developers. Plus the fact that there is not a single OS that is invulnerable. Not a single one.

    7. Re:A Microsoft engineer? by guitardood · · Score: 1

      And who is it that created the dev system used by these "incompetent" "programmers"? 90% of .NET code that actually executes on computers belongs to MS and "programmers" just sort of fill in the blanks. Not to mention that MS still allows an App to reinstall major OS libraries as part of their runtime installation (e.g. replacing the critical MSVCRT*.DLL libraries sometimes with one two years older than was installed because the developer is using the old version of the DevSoftware because they can't afford or refuse to upgrade to the latest and greatest). BTW, doesn't R&D mean Reverse-Engineer And Disassemble in Microsoft parlance?

      As for faked spam, I received a letter from Microsoft informing me that I won the Microsoft Sweepstakes. If "Sent By Yahoo Android" is believable then perhaps I actually am a millionaire :)

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    8. Re:A Microsoft engineer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I worked for years in one of MS's anti-malware divisions and although I've never met this fellow I can attest that there are a large number mediocre programmers there. Many seemed to just float over to work on security because it was/is a hot field. Probably at least half of them didn't even seem excited at all about combating viruses and were only concerned with advancing their careers.

    9. Re:A Microsoft engineer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you talking about the Microsoft "engineer"?

    10. Re:A Microsoft engineer? by e3m4n · · Score: 1

      Most programmers I know always ask themselves.. "how can I abuse or misuse this?" in order to try to guard against it. Who would you blame for the MS dumb-as-fuck decision to allow embedded code in JPEG to allow unattended execution of binaries with the same privilege level of the user only intending to view a picture?? Who would you blame for the decision to allow remote execution of binaries feature stuck into notepad?? Its a friggen text viewer, it should NOT be executing code without user consent. This isn't a coding error that resulted in a race condition, this is a deliberately installed feature that is a bad idea from day 0. The engineers ARE intelligent, but not very seasoned. They've apparently lived a very privileged lifestyle where everything has been given to them and they haven't been fucked over in life nearly enough to have the sufficient level of cynicism required to write code with better safeguards.

    11. Re:A Microsoft engineer? by Tough+Love · · Score: 0

      I believe that Microsoft engineers are great emailers, facetimers and backstabbers.

      Oh, please excuse me. I believe that Microsoft engineers are super great emailers, facetimers, backstabbers and astromodders.

      Correction: Microsoft engineers are super great emailers, facetimers, backstabbers and astromodders, and resent being told that.

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    12. Re:A Microsoft engineer? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      And you are a blathering idiot if you actually believe MS engineers are not some of the best software engineers in the world.

      And you're not paying attention if you do. BSODs? Linux never had one. Random crashes? I don't know of Apple suffering from this, but Explorer crashes at least once a week on my Win 7 notebook.

      Sorry, fool, try out another OS and you'll see just how damned bad MS "engineers" are.

    13. Re:A Microsoft engineer? by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      I believe that Microsoft engineers are great emailers, facetimers and backstabbers.

      Oh, please excuse me. I believe that Microsoft engineers are super great emailers, facetimers, backstabbers and astromodders.

      Correction: Microsoft engineers are super great emailers, facetimers, backstabbers and astromodders, and resent being told that.

      Correction: Microsoft engineers are weenies.

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  3. Non-story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Is there any reason that Google's explanation isn't legit? Seems like a perfectly good explanation to me. Anti-spam techniques have become pretty abstract these days. I could easily see a hidden rule that prioritizes traffic sent with a properly formatted signature matching their flagship mobile OS (until said rule gets discovered).

  4. Spam lying!?! by ignavus · · Score: 4, Funny

    What ? Spam lying?!?

    I am shocked. SHOCKED, I tell you!.

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    1. Re:Spam lying!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other news : Microsoft Engineer Discovers Windows Lottery Ran By Bill Gates Himself

  5. Why not? by rabtech · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This seems like a much easier way to send spam... Most users will be using the stock mail app so just install, ask for the world in privileges (most users just click yes to anything), then send spam in the background using the user's account.

    If you are smart, you avoid sending any spam to that user's contacts and intercept any replies that contain the spam text as a quoted string. That would make it far less likely for the victim to notice anytime soon.

    Even if the spam isn't coming from Android phones right now, I'm sure someone will do it eventually.

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    1. Re:Why not? by AmberBlackCat · · Score: 5, Informative

      (most users just click yes to anything)

      On Android, you have to. Your only options are accept everything or you don't get the app.

    2. Re:Why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      I've posted this before, but here we go again. There are quite a few options for fine-grained permission control on Android. My top 3:

      1) Cyanogenmod includes permission management. You'll have to flash it on your device, but it's not hard. http://www.cyanogenmod.com/
      2) PDroid - requires a patched kernel http://www.xda-developers.com/android/pdroid-the-better-privacy-protection/
      3) LBE Privacy guard - requires root https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lbe.security.lite

    3. Re:Why not? by bleedingsamurai · · Score: 1

      Sounds a lot like applications Microsoft creates...

    4. Re:Why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      To be clear, Cyanogenmod 7 contains permission management. This feature was dropped in Cyanogenmod 9.

    5. Re:Why not? by CoderJoe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Now try again, without requiring flashing a custom OS version or root. The average user is not going to do any of that.

    6. Re:Why not? by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      And 99.99 percent of Android users have never heard of any of those. Let us know when an out-of-the-box Android phone supports it (and an app bothers to implement it).

    7. Re:Why not? by Sir_Sri · · Score: 1

      Sad but true.

      Cyanogenmod has it's awesomeness, but when you have to get nightly builds to be able to run ICS without a slew of bugs there's a whole lot wrong with the user experience. And that by the way is not a criticism of the cyanogen guys, without them my phone would still be on 2.3.3 probably, or bug riddled official version of ICS but the main feature of android (not a walled garden!) is far too difficult to benefit from.

    8. Re:Why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, there's 2-3 million CyanogenMod users so your percentage is kinda like stupid wrong.

    9. Re:Why not? by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 2

      On iPhone your only option is ...well you don't get to see the rights the app needs and so you don't know and aren't asked, you just have to trust Apple ...

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    10. Re:Why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it doesn't come with stock android, and most telephone companies won't allow anything similar on their own phones. If they do they specifically disable it for their own apps... so for 99% of android users they have no choice.

    11. Re:Why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know that won't happen because the carriers won't let it happen. Why are you people so obsessed with ootb? Sometimes to get what you want, you have to *gasp* put in some effort.

    12. Re:Why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't matter if it is hard or not. My Android Samsung Galaxy 2 is my phone and source of internet. If I flash it and it dies I am screwed.

      Perhaps I would flash Cmod if I had DSL or other net access and if my phone was not LOCKED IN A 2 YEAR CONTRACT.

      Yes, I signed a 2 year contract, but that's the price I pay for getting an excellent phone for a good price. Sue me.

      Meanwhile, you sound like a dick.

      There is no reason google should not offer users advanced capabilities on their phone out of the box if they choose to use their hardware in that fashion. Root access for a start. The fact that there are so many people who have risked bricking their device to install Cmod indicates that google needs to get with reality before reality gets them.

    13. Re:Why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what?

      The claim was an _absolute_, unconditional "have". No, you don't _have_ to.

      Now, the question is, "where else CAN I"? Iphone, you don't get to see the permissions but have to trust Apple, LosePhone as well as ordinary LoseDos... doesn't EVERYTHING need "root" to install? So how exactly is Android worse than the competition, and not better for actually giving you an option nobody else gives you, even if it's a bit difficult for Joe User?

    14. Re:Why not? by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      And when it comes to customization, tweaking and development I have no problem with that. When it prevents critical security enhancements is when I start having a problem with how things are being run!

    15. Re:Why not? by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      Android currently has ~400 million devices active, so that's ~99.5% of the android population that is NOT running cyanogen mod. Sure it may not be 99.99%, but you get the idea. In case you don't, compare the 0.5% of Android users running Cyanogen to the 1% of PC users running Linux and you start to see how it's just a little obscure...

    16. Re:Why not? by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      I never said they were worse than their competition. In my opinion all smartphones lack sufficient sandboxing and security permissions enhancements.

  6. Avoiding lawsuits by gmuslera · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Microsoft was a monopoly in botnets, better to claim that are others somewhere else, even if they have to build it themselves.

    Anyway, a botnet uses a standard mail client to send its payload? Even thinking that is a bad signal about them.

  7. Engineer is backtracking by John3 · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is a follow-up blog post where Zink backtracks a bit and admits the headers could be forged.

    "In comments of various blogs a lot of people have suggested that these headers are spoofed, or there was a botnet connecting to Yahoo Mail from a Windows PC and sent mail that way. Yes, it’s entirely possible that bot on a compromised PC connected to Yahoo Mail, inserted the the message-ID thus overriding Yahoo’s own Message-IDs and added the “Yahoo Mail for Android” tagline at the bottom of the message all in an elaborate deception to make it look like the spam was coming from Android devices."

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    1. Re:Engineer is backtracking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Elaborate deception" -- If that's his idea of elaborate, I wish he worked in marketing and not software!

    2. Re:Engineer is backtracking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He got put into software after one too many suggestions to Ballmer :)

      I assume the figuring was he could do less damage to the software's reputation than his ideas could to the company's reputation as a whole :)

    3. Re:Engineer is backtracking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it’s entirely possible that bot on a compromised PC connected to Yahoo Mail, inserted the the message-ID thus overriding Yahoo’s own Message-IDs and added the “Yahoo Mail for Android” tagline at the bottom of the message all in an elaborate deception to make it look like the spam was coming from Android devices.

      Well, Duh! The originating mail client (not the MTA) is supposed to create the Message-ID and In-Reply-To headers. Generally MTAs only create the Message-ID if the clients "forget" to add one.

    4. Re:Engineer is backtracking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a follow-up blog post where Zink backtracks a bit and admits the headers could be forged.

      "In comments of various blogs a lot of people have suggested that these headers are spoofed, or there was a botnet connecting to Yahoo Mail from a Windows PC and sent mail that way. Yes, it’s entirely possible that bot on a compromised PC connected to Yahoo Mail, inserted the the message-ID thus overriding Yahoo’s own Message-IDs and added the “Yahoo Mail for Android” tagline at the bottom of the message all in an elaborate deception to make it look like the spam was coming from Android devices."

      You conveniently left out that Sophos claims all the evidence they gathered this is indeed Android devices although not provable.

  8. Your Moneyz... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...givez them to meh...

    -- sent from my orbiting HQ, beeeyatches!

    In other news...spammers lie. More egg on MS face. No wonder Windows gets so many viruses etc.

  9. Go Microsoft by arcite · · Score: 0

    If anyone knows how to get down and dirty with Google, it will be Microsoft.

    1. Re:Go Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And if anyone knows how to create scenarios to ensure that Google doesn't look bad, it will be Slashdot.

    2. Re:Go Microsoft by thatseattleguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And if anyone knows how to take what should be a simple, straightforward, technical discussion and turn it into a MS vs Google flame war, it will be Slashdot commenters.

    3. Re:Go Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And if anyone has mastered to art of baiting the said flamers it will be slashdot flame master baiters.

    4. Re:Go Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if anyone has mastered to art of baiting the said flamers it will be the flaming Slashdot master baiters.

      I think that's what you were aiming for.

  10. Tens of thousands of apps, wow! by muon-catalyzed · · Score: 1, Funny

    Nothing ruins the experience like a few crapware downloads.

  11. It Shouldn't Be Too Hard To Verify by NotSanguine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or to disprove the claim if we can look at the mail headers. Especially if we have multiple samples.

    The claim, on its face, is plausible. However if you're a spammer, you want to send out as many emails as quickly as you can. Sending emails via a wireless device (either WiFi or cellular) seems like wasted effort when there are so many cable/dsl/fiber connected PCs (running whatever OS, but usually Windows) out there that can send many more spam emails in the same amount of time -- Usually without alerting non-technical users who don't review their router/firewall logs often, if ever.

    All that said, I suppose it's possible. It just seems a little strange that this should come out of Microsoft -- especially since there are many very technical people out there who are rolling their own Android -- you'd think they'd have found it first.

    --
    No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
    1. Re:It Shouldn't Be Too Hard To Verify by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe some very technical people don't trust spam email headers to be true, let alone TEXT IN THE SPAM BODY.

    2. Re:It Shouldn't Be Too Hard To Verify by NotSanguine · · Score: 1

      Maybe some very technical people don't trust spam email headers to be true, let alone TEXT IN THE SPAM BODY.

      Huh? Yeah. You mean guys like me. That was my point. By looking at the email headers you can (usually) get a pretty good idea about the source of the email.

      Just to make sure your reading comprehension is at least third grade, I'll repeat myself:

      It Shouldn't Be Too Hard To Verify Or to disprove the claim if we can look at the mail headers

      Was there something in there you didn't understand? I hope you're an ESL person.

      --
      No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
  12. Android user with a Yahoo account. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems legit.

    1. Re:Android user with a Yahoo account. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      har har har

  13. Doesn't realise? Or... by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A Microsoft engineer? and he doesn't realise that any program on any computer on the internet could pretend to be on android?

    Well, either "doesn't realise" or "has a vested interest leading him to first fail to mention and, after that, downplay the possibility". Which is more likely is left as an exercise to the reader.

  14. Now lemme get this straight... by bbbaldie · · Score: 2
    A Microsoft engineer says that Google's Android is to blame for spam.

    That carries as much weight for me as Steve BLAMMER stating that he's going to &^%&$!! bury Google.

    Noise with no real content. Next.

  15. Is the Message-ID incrementing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And if so does it match the generation scheme used by Android.

    If it's a repeating "Message-ID: " as the blog suggests then it's likely forged.

  16. Redmond Help Wanted by ad454 · · Score: 2

    Are you a skilled Android, iOS, OSX, or Linux malware author, and enjoy damp north-west coastal weather? Well, get out of your parent's basement and apply now to work in a large office with other similarly minded psychotic co-workers. The borg collective needs you, in order to stop its sliding market share! (After all, you can only get so far with frivolous lawsuits.)

    1. Re:Redmond Help Wanted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      FWIW, I see far more frivolous lawsuits from Apple these days than from Microsoft. In fact, when was the last time we talked about a Microsoft lawsuit?

    2. Re:Redmond Help Wanted by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      As someone that lives in the North-West, I feel then need to correct you about our weather. it is not damp as many non north-western dwellers would lead you to believe. It is in fact soaking fucking wet. "Damp" is the grass on a hot day up here!

    3. Re:Redmond Help Wanted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope you aren't seriously suggesting this. Even for a Slashdotter who makes fag jokes, that's incredibly stupid.

    4. Re:Redmond Help Wanted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you are right. the lawsuits are the problem with capitalism. it's one thing for companies to compete by making better products than one another, but competing by hiring lawyers to enjoin the competition from selling their product deprives the public of their choice to consume. it short circuits supply and demand relationship.

  17. Is it just Yahoo? by whoever57 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I see emails from compromised accounts. The one thing that appears to be common is that it is always from Yahoo accounts. After one of my friends had her Yahoo account compromised, I throughly scanned her PC -- nothing showed up. I scanned the hard drive while connected to a known clean PC, so it wasn't just a well hidden malware.

    I am beginning to wonder if there is a vulnerability in Yahoo's security that is being used to compromise accounts.

    --
    The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
    1. Re:Is it just Yahoo? by kesuki · · Score: 4, Insightful

      nothing shows up because it's not on her pc, i've had spam coming from a former online friend, and more recently spam claiming to come from my own yahoo address.it turns out if you manually set the x-apparently-from yahoo will show that as the sender. yahoo explains it better here http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100725063846AAoDV1T

    2. Re:Is it just Yahoo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can second this, I recently had spam sent from my Yahoo account to many of my recent contacts, but Yahoo showed that my account hadn't been accessed by anything but my (non-android) phone for months, and that I hadn't accessed my account for hours before the timestamp of the sent spam

    3. Re:Is it just Yahoo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given the pretty amazing volume of spam from Yahoo, and the relatively low volumes from Hotmail, Gmail, and AOL, I've wondered the same thing. I've also wondered if there's some sort of vulnerability that makes it especially easy for spammers to sign up with Yahoo relative those other domains, or whether Yahoo just doesn't filter its outgoing mail.

    4. Re:Is it just Yahoo? by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      nothing shows up because it's not on her pc,

      Her account had to be compromised somehow. The emails were sent using her credentials. Her Yahoo mailbox was modified to delete all the saved emails and contacts, change the password and forward the email elsewhere. It was not simply someone sending email that looked like it came from her account -- it really was sent using her Yahoo account.

      She told me that she only checks her email from her PC, at home. She doesn't use open-Wifi points, she doesn't use other PCs. Unless there was some kind of malware the vaporized itself from her PC after stealing her account credentials, or [contrary to what she told me] she really did use another PC to check here email the limited evidence suggest that her account credentials were stolen by a security flaw at Yahoo.

      --
      The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
    5. Re:Is it just Yahoo? by The+Darkness · · Score: 1

      How many of these yahoo accounts were the contact address for a LinkedIn account and used the same password?

      --
      There are two kinds of people: 1) those that need closure
    6. Re:Is it just Yahoo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The vulnerability is often pebkac--i.e. social engineering/phishing acquisition of credentials. Not always--but frequently.

    7. Re:Is it just Yahoo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're just beginning to wonder. The reset of us know that yahoo is downright spammer friendly.

      Check the mail headers. The bogus mail got in through a South American gateway for Yahoo. AMIRITE? (Rhetorical. Odds are very, very high, because they've been doing it for years, and yahoo does not care.)

    8. Re:Is it just Yahoo? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The answer is a Firefox exploit with an invisible iFrame. I have seen it myself and Hairyfeet noticed the same thing if you browse some porn sites with Firefox after you log in your account will randomly start spamming people.

      Basically it is an iframe rogue ad which looks identical to the yahoo email login and it uses javascript to place it over the real yahoo login from yahoo.com. Since the iframe is invisible in Firefox you have no clue and just click on it and give in the username and password.

      I wonder if Mozilla fixed this?

    9. Re:Is it just Yahoo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a Yahoo problem, specifically in that selling those patents was a sign of $=[null], so no wonder we see bad news from the fringes...signs of more to come?

    10. Re:Is it just Yahoo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Has she got a Kindle Fire?

      I got spam from my mother and from a colleague, and in both cases they were Yahoo email accounts set up on Kindle Fires. When they logged in via PC they could actually see the spams in their outbox.

    11. Re:Is it just Yahoo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She told me that she only checks her email from her PC, at home. She doesn't use open-Wifi points, she doesn't use other PCs. Unless there was some kind of malware the vaporized itself from her PC after stealing her account credentials, or [contrary to what she told me] she really did use another PC to check here email the limited evidence suggest that her account credentials were stolen by a security flaw at Yahoo.

      You don't need to compromise Yahoo to get Yahoo credentials. Many (most?) sites require an email address to register or even use it as your login ID. Many (most?) people use the same password for everything. These two combine to make a large group of people that will give their login credentials to any site that asks.

    12. Re:Is it just Yahoo? by pgn674 · · Score: 1

      Possibly. To add to your anecdote, a couple months ago my old Yahoo! account got cracked, and I figured it was because I had left a weak password on there (fairly susceptible to a dictionary attack with some variance). So I changed to a stronger password and enabled two factor authentication. Then last week my coworker also got cracked, and she reported that she had a weak password.

      Maybe someone got a copy of a Yahoo! hashed password and user name table that they can work against with a computer cluster, or maybe Yahoo! is allowing tons of fast authentication attempts against single user names on their servers.

    13. Re:Is it just Yahoo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With noscript. Unless I'm misunderstanding the exploit, noscript has had protection against clickjacking for quite some time and invisible elements like that are something that it works against.

    14. Re:Is it just Yahoo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice troll attempt, but that vuln was across all browsers and was patched years ago. http://blog.unmaskparasites.com/2009/01/14/gogo2me-hidden-iframe-injection/

    15. Re:Is it just Yahoo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The NUMBER 1 way that a Yahoo account is hacked, is by people reusing their password.. Someone goes to somewhatinteresting.org who asks that they create a login in, and lazyuser@yahoo.com creates one and uses the same password so they don't have to remember "50 million" passwords.. They may not even give them their yahoo address, but create the login name as lazyuser using the same password, all it then takes is for someone to try it.. Accounts are actually somewhat difficult to hack at Yahoo, as you get 5 attempts and your account is locked for an hour.. and future attempts can cause it to be locked for 24 hours..

    16. Re:Is it just Yahoo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The NUMBER 1 way that a Yahoo account is hacked, is by people reusing their password.. Someone goes to somewhatinteresting.org who asks that they create a login in, and lazyuser@yahoo.com creates one and uses the same password so they don't have to remember "50 million" passwords.. They may not even give them their yahoo address, but create the login name as lazyuser using the same password, all it then takes is for someone to try it.. Accounts are actually somewhat difficult to hack at Yahoo, as you get 5 attempts and your account is locked for an hour.. and future attempts can cause it to be locked for 24 hours..

    17. Re:Is it just Yahoo? by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      You log into yahoo from porn sites? Next time try opening a new tab and typing in "yahoo.com" or just using your bookmark.

    18. Re:Is it just Yahoo? by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      How many of these yahoo accounts were the contact address for a LinkedIn account and used the same password?

      One of the people to whom this happened has suffered repeated break-ins to her Yahoo account. After the first compromise, I stressed the importance of not only having a strong password, but making sure that her password was not used elsewhere. So the suggestion that the cause was password re-use fails in at least one case. Also, I am fairly sure that she does not have a LinkedIn account.

      --
      The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
    19. Re:Is it just Yahoo? by P-niiice · · Score: 1

      It's just a funny visual that Joe Sxpack is browsing some fine gash on farms3x.com and sees a convenient link to yahoo and just decides to log into it without a care in the world.

      I'm easily amused.

  18. What if it were iOS....? by devleopard · · Score: 1

    We wouldn't let the facts interfere with our theory, would we?

    --
    The best thing about a boolean is even if you are wrong, you are only off by a bit.
  19. Re:Android malware? IMPOSSIBRU! by interval1066 · · Score: 1

    Also, it bears noting the Google typically doesn't deny those stories.

    Also, it bears noting that the allegation comes from a direct compititor to the android phone.

    --
    Python: 'And then suddenly you have a language which says "we're all stuck with whatever the whiniest coder wants".'
  20. I'm well aware of this spam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    For roughly the last week I've been using the string from the summary as essentially perfect proof that a message delivery attempt to my server is spam. The fact that Yahoo delivers almost no legitimate mail eases my worries. How the messages are actually originating is irrelevant to me, but bloody Hell there are a lot of 'em.

    Every three or four weeks the spammers seem to come up with a new template for the Yahoo spam they send and this is just the latest (actually, there seem to be a couple of huge spam operations running through Yahoo, not counting all the 419 scammers).

    Yahoo doesn't accept abuse complaints, and 10,000 Yahoo accounts are openly advertised as costing $137. It's hard to see how this is not a very serious problem that Yahoo should feel obligated to address.

    Here's roughly what a representative spam from this campaign looks like, slightly edited with mangled HTML so that Slashdot would display it:

    Return-Path:
    Received: from nm23-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (98.139.213.141) by
      myserver for spamvictim@mydomain>;
      Sun, 1 Jul 2012 12:55:08 -0700
    Received: from [98.139.212.145] by nm23.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2012 19:41:56 -0000
    Received: from [98.139.212.199] by tm2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2012 19:41:56 -0000
    Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2012 19:41:56 -0000
    X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5
    X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 31585.24743.bm@omp1008.mail.bf1.yahoo.com
    Received: (qmail 53658 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jul 2012 19:41:55 -0000
    DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1341171715; bh=XCjzxBAl+aG8gtCEWjueAIJtqJl1qzpQf/Pvh1rDXMQ=; h=Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nilcBrxhBDZ0vkail/UfvoWOspyAWtrnB4QklyD6KWshJdxlXlynsFBMeRaBWQICEtqEITG+SmghLsJStFOWR+eb39JXx1a5tl6LV/CQc9yIIrdmdR8qsdY3bwaqXYp+OfxsePQCZ0C+AoeJDlmIk0m51VIB1io7Kk9P7iudDok=
    DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws;
        s=s1024; d=yahoo.com;
        h=Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type;
        b=cHirUEK+wuN6DGQSrgiWi6qqyGJFrSO9BVJaVwv664oJ+u1RLo95cHPuIDPutn5hMoTiBFi3zmvjmprGCAVlP3EQDzWDQD6dG6tUO02acOYLJJ3WM9MKCqUKAb/nCAKaQ8xh/bzU1/zC/nQP9WZRidccQUSNChY6+bAhx3tol3E=;
    Received: from [190.201.200.221] by web140206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Jul 2012 12:41:55 PDT
    X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233
    Message-ID: ##########.##### .androidMobile@web140206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
    Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 12:41:55 -0700 (PDT)
    From: Desiree Chinnici DesireeChinnicifo64@yahoo.com>
    Subject: FWD: 300% Gain!
    To: "noncale@simon.com" noncale@simon.com>
    MIME-Version: 1.0
    Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--nottherealboundarymarker=:blargh--"

    --nottherealboundarymarker=:blargh--
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

    Please Enable Images to View this Important Newsletter!

    img src="https://public.blu.livefilestore.com/longuniqueidentifier/13.gif?psid=1"/a>

    Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android

    --nottherealboundarymarker=:blargh--
    Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

    table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0">tr>td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">p>/p>
    p>Please Enable Images to View this Important Newsletter!

    br>
    img src="https://public.blu.livefilestore.com/longuniqueidentifier/13.gif?psid=1"/a>br>br>br>/p>
    p>Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android/p> /td>/tr>
    --nottherealboundarymarker=:blargh--

    1. Re:I'm well aware of this spam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Message-ID: ##########.##### .androidMobile@web140206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com

      That's the evidence implicating Android in this. Not conclusive but only fandroids would build a three layer conspiracy theory to explain that this is somehow not the result of commoners (read: non-Linuxers) using a device with no thought to security.

      As others have pointed out, it's a Yahoo vulnerability, apprently being exploited by a background application that has every priveledge for no good reason. If you use a modded Android OS, you're probably not involved in this, but it would be a lot less irritating if you admitted that it was the guys modding the OS that made you safe, not Google's hacked-up Linux distro.

    2. Re:I'm well aware of this spam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And here's the evidence implicating iPhone in this. You can find more samples by googling for "yext-apple-iphone"+spam.

      So I guess, there's an iPhone botnet in the wild, and iPhone's security sucks as much as Android's. Or there's another explanation, like clickjacking and Yahoo's lack of security. Notice how all of those are sent through the Yahoo's webmailer.

    3. Re:I'm well aware of this spam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      do you have more of those?
      is the Message-ID valid/incremented as per the Android client?

    4. Re:I'm well aware of this spam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd have a lot more if I hadn't started blocking on them so aggressively, but yes, I have more. Here's one:

      Return-Path: deekelliherkm05@yahoo.com>
      Received: from nm4-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (98.138.91.97) by
        mydomain for spamvictim@mydomain>;
        Sun, 1 Jul 2012 12:16:35 -0700
      Received: from [98.138.90.50] by nm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2012 19:02:58 -0000
      Received: from [98.138.86.157] by tm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2012 19:02:58 -0000
      Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2012 19:02:58 -0000
      X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5
      X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: ######.######.bm@omp1015.mail.ne1.yahoo.com
      Received: (qmail 58712 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jul 2012 19:02:58 -0000
      DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1341169378; bh=Q30GK/dmOEVroSYbEF5a3ec7/a6Th6GKlk1nJowYVBE=; h=Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SsBOfifSxXxYSde4YspnfF96dr/R4j5l/YFscX0YFPmUBI3oKpKnZO4nw2cttZNn8pesCcbqRDnNQd2Dr0kE/Zb2Iuy66NSyg7tfrxX4a53YIeST+zatr8Dq5/V1i5RRRXf06U2CDL2uTfbSqNkh8QCDXNoxTm5Y5+CbX624YcU=
      DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws;
          s=s1024; d=yahoo.com;
          h=Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type;
          b=rUO28cTzm/4orrS5Auu+b4pRewIBPiZ+0Zmk9TCYKMJvHKHH1xcWwuX1iIL/mc7TpWdHowb++ami/WuaP4tsi+3Op/rnCCYuZMWNl8xlaWRTzgwEz1m6kAbXmKoq1uzdojYQXkeSd6YRaEonuJGtVbIhkww8I3s60+xP76rHfXA=;
      Received: from [186.88.132.104] by web121202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Jul 2012 12:02:58 PDT
      X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233
      Message-ID: 134#######.continued.androidMobile@web121202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
      Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 12:02:58 -0700 (PDT)
      From: Dee Kelliher DeeKelliherkm05@yahoo.com>
      Subject: re: STOCK BUYERS ALERT>>>OTC
      To: "nonbmill1@peoplepc.com"
      MIME-Version: 1.0
      Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="mysubsitituemimeboundary=:extra"

      --mysubsitituemimeboundary=:continued
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

      Please Enable Images to View this Important Newsletter!

      img src="https://public.blu.livefilestore.com/anotherlongstringofgunk/e15.gif?psid=1"/a>

      Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android

      --mysubsitituemimeboundary=:extra
      Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

      table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0">tr>td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">p>/p>
      p>Please Enable Images to View this Important Newsletter!

      br>
      img src="https://public.blu.livefilestore.com/anotherlongstringofgunk/e15.gif?psid=1"/a>br>br>br>/p>
      p>Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android/p> /td>/tr>/table>
      --mysubsitituemimeboundary=:extra--

  21. Incredible that no one has mentioned DKIM yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    I noticed this same oddity a few days ago while investigating a wave of spam that was hitting the inboxes of our corporate email users. We use SpamAssassin at our network edge with fairly aggressive rules and a Bayes database, so the fact that people were receiving 5-10 spam messages a piece into their inbox was very unusual.

    The amazing thing that everyone seems to be missing, including the so called security experts, is that all the spam messages have correct DKIM signatures!

    Unless the spammers compromised Yahoo's current DKIM private signing key (unlikely) or cracked a 1024-bit RSA private key in less than the lifetime of a Yahoo DKIM key (highly unlikely), then this is absolute proof that the mail is authorized and transmitted by Yahoo. It eliminates all argument about whether or not the headers are forged. The entire purpose of DKIM is to provide a cryptographically secure method of verifying the validity of the headers in an email message.

    This fact strongly supports the theory of the Microsoft engineer.

    The only realistic alternative is that Yahoo is facing a very serious breach of highly sensitive servers on their network (again, unlikely).

    Of course, the proof is in the pudding, so here are the actual headers of a sample spam message. I redacted certain hostnames and removed some headers that were added by our internal email servers to protect the anonymity of our organization.

  22. Re:Incredible that no one has mentioned DKIM yet.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The only realistic alternative is that Yahoo is facing a very serious breach of highly sensitive servers on their network (again, unlikely)." - yes, we all know how well protected things like Yahoo and Facebook are. I can't imagine they've ever been compromised :-)

    Captcha: cycled : if you see this word as "turned power off and on" rather than "rode a bike", you've been in the industry too long.

  23. Re:Android malware? IMPOSSIBRU! by PixetaledPikachu · · Score: 1

    Also, it bears noting the Google typically doesn't deny those stories.

    They did on this one. It's even on the summary

  24. stack overflow are compromised by spammers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i signed up for them and suddenly my spam box exploded with bogus job ads. fucking assholes.

  25. Old microsoft game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "We're not the only ones with problems.... look, look over there at those guys, they have problems too! Look at the problems they have! Bad Bad problems! Why would anyone buy their stuff, ours is so much better and stuff" It's a grade 7 deception, to keep people from looking at your bloody nose, you try to give another kid a bloody nose, then get everyone to look at their bloody nose. The truth is: microsoft has problems, and Android doesn't. Android is eating microsoft's lunch. Everyone loves Android. Windows phone 7 or whatever is unknown (I had to look it up to describe it, I hope I guessed the current whatever). Even Apple has to go to court to try and slow Android adoption. They can't compete in the marketplace.

  26. Re:Incredible that no one has mentioned DKIM yet.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is a much more plausible explanation that there is an Android botnet out there that is sending the spam.

    If Yahoo's DKIM private key had been compromised they would have already removed it and replaced it with a newly generated one. This issue has been going on for over a week, and I know Yahoo knows about it because I emailed their security vulnerability response team about it (as I'm sure tons of other people did too).

  27. Re:Android malware? IMPOSSIBRU! by shentino · · Score: 1

    A direct competitor that is already using patent extortion to force android handset makers to pay royalties.

  28. microsoft up to their ld tricks? by corvax · · Score: 1

    This doesnt start off sounding fishyatall “a mircosoft reasearcher” no MS has nothing to gain bymaking android look bad. And then this gem “Security expertGraham Cluley, from anti-virusfirm Sophos, said it was highlylikely theattacks originated from Android devices, given all available information, BUT THIS COULD NOT BE PROVEN.” Wait whatit hasnt been proven to come from android phones? REALLY? And then we learn even it it is happening its people in the third world SIDE LOADING PIRATED APPS. So as usual its not an android security flaw but a bunch of morons who may or may not have installed a supposed maleware wich came as a payload on side loaded pirated software. LOL And now Google and other security researchers are saying no it didn't come from the phones so guess my hunch was right Ms up to their old tricks again

  29. The sad part by dubl-u · · Score: 3, Informative

    The really sad part is how far Microsoft has fallen. They can't even do FUD well anymore.

    1. Re:The sad part by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Microsoft has never really been very good at FUD either. The only thing they really excel at is protecting their monopoly by illegal means while paying only modest fines for the privilege.

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    2. Re:The sad part by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      yeah, how's that monopoly going?

      i look around my office... at a glance, maybe 30% mac?

    3. Re:The sad part by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Microsoft still exercises monpoly control over PC OEMs. A rather big segment of the technology market, still growing in fact. But the margins are shrinking.

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    4. Re:The sad part by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      You're in music and design? In the 3 story building I work in there's a mainframe (unsure as to who built it, they had an IBM a decade ago), a whole lot of Windows computers, and no Macs at all. When you have to deploy thousands of PCs, you just don't go out and buy the most expensive ones on the market on a whim.

      Your office is not the average office.

  30. Idea I have for android malware prevention by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

    I'm not interested in programming myself, but I've always pondered the possibility of blocking certain android permissions with an app.

    There is an app called permission denied that will allow you to do this, but it doesn't do so gracefully. When a targeted app does something to utilize the permissions it already assumes the OS has given it, it will typically crash when it can't execute that function due to lack of a try/catch, because the developer normally wouldn't expect to need one there.

    So instead of outright denying the permission, why not spoof the data that it is requesting? For example, create a bogus contact list, and when the app requests that information, it is redirected to the bogus list. When it tries to send an SMS, just let it think that the SMS was sent even though it wasn't. Also something that might be a little bit more extreme, and should probably be off by default, would be to deny apps the ability to reach IP addresses unless that address exists in the DNS cache (from what I understand, most fraudsters just use IP addresses and not DNS.)

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    1. Re:Idea I have for android malware prevention by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      PDroid does most of that spoofing (though contact lists seem to just be spoofed as empty, not randomized)

  31. Voice of Experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have obviously worked with them, unlike the grandparent.

    1. Re:Voice of Experience by Sir_Sri · · Score: 1

      MS is full of talented engineers, surrounded by business plans that don't always make technical sense necessarily, and a huge big organization that suffers from all the same problems as every other huge big organization. Just because you're competent, and all of the other people in your group are competent doesn't mean you make a good team, and doesn't mean you did something that will actually make money, nor does it mean anyone responsible for the strategic direction of your company will want to listen to you if it will.

  32. Re:Incredible that no one has mentioned DKIM yet.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is that more plausible? It's technically possible that there is an Android botnet, but the fact is that doing so would be significantly more expensive than the more traditional options. Cell phones tend to have weak processors, unreliable data connection and low caps. What's more you'd have to get people to install the app and you'd probably find it somewhere in the Market.

    Yes, there have been malware found in the Market, but without that it's unlikely to be a true allegation.

  33. MS should understand by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 1

    MS should understand and tolerate it. After all they always claimed that DOS/Windows wasn't more insecure than other OS but was simply targeted more often because they had the largest installed base.

    Smug bastards and now apparently truly blithering idiots I say.

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  34. Whatever guys, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is one blog poster in a giant corporation. I doubt his blog is representative of any view MS would officially espouse, so let's lay off the anti-MS for a second. While this guy has clearly identified common behavior of obvious computer automated activity, it was a bit premature to announce an Android botnet discovery. But MS has a great track record in dealing with botnets and if there is merit to his claims I'm sure they'll sort it out.

    Getting sick of this prejucide matters over truth here on SD. it gets worse and worse...

  35. email forgery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    1. First: the example " by CO1EHSMHS003.bigfish.com (10.243.66.13) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Sat, 30 Jun 2012 23:22:47 +0000" points to an "Host 0.66.243.10.in-addr.arpa. not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)".
    2. Second: the example "Received: from [redacted]" ?!?! "via HTTP" doesn't point to a particular email sender source.
    3. Third: no two different messages must ever have the same Message-ID. The message identifier (msg-id) itself MUST be a globally unique
          identifier for a message, not platform or device.
    4. Fourth: can you extrapolate saying that, there is a problem with other devices, if i give you the following spam examples that are plaguing me?
    Message IDs : 1341366079.63455.yext-apple-iphone @ web29706.mail.ird.yahoo.com
    and 1341466977.2241.yext-apple-iphone @ web114207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com

    Conclusion: Please harden your "Microsoft SMTP Server" software. Don't post the Exchange-Lab forgery as an Android problem. Anyone is able to insert, any message mentions like "Sent from BlaBla" in the email body. "finding the same message id on the email and an old guacamole recipe can be used as evidence that a message was forged. "

    See: http://www.forensicswiki.org/wiki/Using_message_id_headers_to_determine_if_an_email_has_been_forged
    and RFC 822 - STANDARD FOR THE FORMAT OF ARPA INTERNET TEXT MESSAGES: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc822#section-4.6.1

  36. Cannot be... by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

    Android is Linux, so it can't get any virii or malware. So, it looks as if Google is indeed correct in their theory that it must be Windows-based virii which are just faking an Android signature.

    1. Re:Cannot be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ooo, son - I get the sarcasm, but you realize that kids do venture into /. every now and again; might be wise to self-censure some of that with a hashtag, parenthetical, quote-ish or something. We wouldn't want to be accused of leading the innocents astray. This ain't /b/, afterall.

  37. Re:Incredible that no one has mentioned DKIM yet.. by makomk · · Score: 1

    The realistic alternative is that someone's registering a whole bunch of Yahoo! e-mail addresses and pretending to be running an Android device in order to spam with them. Someone in the comments of the original Microsoft blog entry reckons that the e-mail addresses used all have the same format (FirstnameLastname + 2 digits @ yahoo.com) which would be a pretty clear sign they're not just existing accounts that are compromised, and if there was an Android botnet there's no reason why it should reveal it's running on Android to Yahoo and all the security researchers trying to find and eliminate it.

  38. News at 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Internet-connected fridges used to send spam.

  39. Re:Android malware? IMPOSSIBRU! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And these story's indeed seem to increase.

    It is only pure coincidence that a new tablet called surface is going to see daylight in the near future.
    It is also pure coincidence that a new OS called Windows 8 is going to be used on this "surface"
    And it is completely coincidence that both products are targeting the same market as Android and the devices using Android.

    And it is absolutely completely radically pure coincidence someone tightly associated with the company that is bringing out named device and OS to the market, is making these claims and so increasing the number of story's.

    Sure.....
               

  40. Impossible by confuscan · · Score: 1

    There's no way that an Android botnet exists. Google's "Don't Be Evil" edict ensures that will never occur....

  41. Am I the only one who by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Am I the only one who automatically deletes any message that contains 'sent from' anywhere in the doc?

    I'm an iPhone user, but if people can't not send me advertising via their signature, I can't be bothered to read it.

  42. Backwards from reality by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    On iPhone your only option is ...well you don't get to see the rights the app needs

    You actually have this totally reversed.

    On an iPhone app, you are asked for rights to access protected resources ONLY at the time the app tries to use them, not in some laundry list before you ever run the app and know what it needs.

    Currently the address book is not a protected resource but it is in iOS6, and then it will feature the same sensible security measure of asking for permission at time of first access as opposed to the Android "users just allow anything" model.

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