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Modest Proposal For Stopping Hackers: Get Them Girlfriends

kierny writes "Hackers/crackers who get arrested are typically male and young adults — if not minors. Why is that? According to research by online psychology expert Grainne Kirwan, it's because the typical hacker 'ages out' once they get a girlfriend, job, kids, and other responsibilities that make it difficult to maintain their hacking/cracking/hacktivist lifecycle. Could that finding offer a way to help keep more young hacking enthusiasts out of jail?"

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  1. obligatory reference by leaen · · Score: 3, Funny

    I dated a robot

    1. Re:obligatory reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dear Sony;

      You have put out almost nothing but shitty, proprietary crap for over a decade now. Your music CDs install rootkits on computers. You remove advertised features from the PS3. You sue people who have committed no crime just to shut them up. In response, you've been under relentless assault from hackers.

      This will continue until you change your ways, or you get us girlfriends. Either way, we're cool.

      -Anonymous

    2. Re:obligatory reference by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      After what you describe Sony as:

      put out almost nothing but shitty, proprietary crap for over a decade

      music CDs install rootkits on computers

      sue people who have committed no crime just to shut them up

      You still trust the quality of girlfriend(s) that Sony might get for you?

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    3. Re:obligatory reference by Evil+Pete · · Score: 4, Funny

      You still trust the quality of girlfriend(s) that Sony might get for you?

      You'll be hoping for a root kit but you'll just get viruses.

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  2. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is as retarded as the last story. Timothy must be taking his stupid pills today.

    1. Re:Wow by NerdmastaX · · Score: 5, Funny

      agreed.. if this continues i might as well go back to cnn.

    2. Re:Wow by Jobless+Fellatio · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The story is completely true, tho.. Happened to me and many of my friends. Exactly as late teens, and then we got girlfriends.

    3. Re:Wow by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It seems to be a very slow news day. Isn't that when someone posts an inflammatory article about Obamacare, AGW or evolution?

      Why doesn't Timothy go all the way and merge this with the next inevitable Raspberry Pi article?

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    4. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      So you went back to your mom?

    5. Re:Wow by Reverand+Dave · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, he went back to your mom.

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    6. Re:Wow by MachineShedFred · · Score: 3, Funny

      Raspberry Pi used to mine BitCoins to fight AGW

      That's the next article I'm looking for.

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    7. Re:Wow by ciderbrew · · Score: 3, Funny

      Tea, meet monitor, monitor meet tea. :)

    8. Re:Wow by X0563511 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      So, here's the question:

      Did your girlfriend stop you hacking, or did something else stop your hacking and the increased social interaction landed you the girlfriend?

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    9. Re:Wow by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Did your girlfriend stop you hacking, or did something else stop your hacking and the increased social interaction landed you the girlfriend?

      In my case, she didn't do anything specific to stop my hacking, beyond existing. We have only a finite amount of time. Given the choice between hacking (it was called "cracking" back then, but whatever) or fucking a hot girl, I chose fucking.

      But isn't it just that way with us? The little head always overriding the big one?

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  3. The Girlfriend(tm) by happy_place · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Girlfriend(tm) could solve a lot of problems young adolescent males have... someone should patent that...

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    1. Re:The Girlfriend(tm) by poity · · Score: 4, Insightful

      or..could you be attracting maladjusted people as friends?

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    2. Re:The Girlfriend(tm) by poity · · Score: 4

      you know what, that was needlessly rude of me. I take it back, sorry man. (I've been on /. too long)

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    3. Re:The Girlfriend(tm) by cpu6502 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What? My fellow coworkers/engineers? They ALL tell me tales about the "stupid thing" their husbands or wives did last weekend or last month. They claim to be happily married, but certainly don't sound it.

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    4. Re:The Girlfriend(tm) by Anarchduke · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Being married is not an experience that is easy to convey. I am happily married even though there are times my wife drives me crazy. Marriage takes effort, its a kind of job. Its worthwhile, but it takes work to make a marriage work.
      And you are right, marriage - and especially children - creates a lot of problems to deal with. So I can see how this would stop hacking. On the other hand, good luck with that. You are suggesting going up to a girl and saying, "Hey, you're pretty cute. How would you like to date an anti-social computer geek that has learned to relate to women through 4chan?"

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    5. Re:The Girlfriend(tm) by geekoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've been married to my wife for 22 years. I am very happy.

      I suggest living with someone for a year, then if you get married don't have kids for about 7 years.

      Any time during that period you find your self excessively complaining about your spouse,I recommend that you calmly end the relationship. You aren't happy, and you aren't doing anyone any favors by being miserable.

      I hate the stupid pop culture idea that marriage is supposed to be misery and pain. IT's a crock. I blame dumb ass shows like "Everyone loves Raymond", "Home improvement", etc...

      Why do any of those men stay with the horribly screeching wives?
      And why do those women stay with horribly insensitive, and often abusive, men?

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    6. Re:The Girlfriend(tm) by geekoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Are they stupid thing as in funny anecdotes, or stupid things as in making people angry?

      I do the occasional stupid thing, and I'm sure my wife tells people about them. But no different then my friends telling the stores of the time my BBQ burst into flames.

      I know a lot of happily married men. The trick? marry someone you can do thing with without becoming annoyed.

      Of course, there are people who aren't happy, but they need to get out of the relationship. Unless kids are involved. The they need to suck it up* and create a happy and stable home life.

      * Meaning general annoyances. Clearly if abuse is going on, they need to get themselves and their kids out of that situation.

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    7. Re:The Girlfriend(tm) by billcopc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Just because my partner tolerates all the stupid shit I do, and I tolerate hers, does not automagically make us happy. It just means we're complacent. I see the traditional long-term monogamous relationship as a bizarre vestigial custom. We don't know why we do it, we just do. Social pressures and all... Yet there are some of us who might have grander aspirations than breeding and feeding.

      Sure, relationship issues can be overcome, just like any other problems in life. The real question is thus: what would you rather spend your life doing ? Tiptoeing around your partner's family-of-origin-rooted insecurities, or mastering the fine art of craft brewing ? There are only so many days in a life, and if someone prefers not to spend them in emotionally-charged conundrums, I see nothing wrong with that choice.

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    8. Re:The Girlfriend(tm) by wmbetts · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you're constantly tiptoeing around then you're with the wrong person. I've been married for many years and am quite happy. Am I happy 100% of the time? No, but that's unreasonable to expect. I would say I'm happy 90% of the time though and I do no tiptoeing. My wife and I enjoy playing the same video games (WoW, galaga, mario bros, etc), eating mostly the same food, and find the same type of humor funny. We have a few different interests as well (she likes playing music and I enjoy programming for example) and when we want to do something the other doesn't we go do what we want. When we have an issue with each other we address it and move on. I think a big problem with a lot of couples is lack of communication and being honest about their feelings with each other. If more couples would actually address their issues like adults instead of keeping them inside more relationships would work out. If you can't openly talk to your partner about how you feel then the relationship was doomed from the start.

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    9. Re:The Girlfriend(tm) by jeko · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I read one of those "human interest" interviews once with some 100-year-old couple that had been married for about a millenium. They asked the couple if they had ever considered divorce.

      The couple replied "Divorce? Never! Murder, sure, but never divorce." :-)

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    10. Re:The Girlfriend(tm) by __aaeihw9960 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is that most people who are happily married aren't very vocal about it. BUT, those that aren't happy, or are divorced, are VERY vocal.

      For example: I have been happily married for 5 years now, and we dated for 5 before that step. I get my wife flowers every week, because she puts up with me peeing on the toilet seat, breaking things to see how they work, and generally bitching when I've had a bad day.

      No one knows. Well, I've only told you folks about it - my family knows, but that's because they come over to my house.

      My supervisor has been divorced for nine years, and complains every day. Let me repeat - N...I...N...E......Y...E...A...R...S... and still complains every day. Who is the better model? Me. Who do people know more about? Her.

      It's simple logic - more exposure = more proof, right?

    11. Re:The Girlfriend(tm) by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They ALL tell me tales about the "stupid thing" their husbands or wives did last weekend or last month. They claim to be happily married, but certainly don't sound it.

      Think for a moment about what type of story is more interesting to tell.

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    12. Re:The Girlfriend(tm) by godel_56 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I suggest living with someone for a year, then if you get married don't have kids for about 7 years.

      By which time she's infertile.

  4. Agreed by slazzy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Probably the most effective idea yet. A girlfriend is a lot more fun than a computer, at that age anyway.

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    1. Re:Agreed by Hatta · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Taking care of peoples basic needs would stop a lot of bad behavior. Prostitution is negatively correlated with rape. Heroin maintenance programs reduce the damage caused by drug seeking addicts. A guaranteed basic income can dramatically reduce the problems associated with poverty.

      Too bad our society cares more about appearing "tough on crime" than effective solutions to our problems.

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    2. Re:Agreed by sycodon · · Score: 5, Funny

      For a teenager, a couple of minutes is stretching it a bit.

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    3. Re:Agreed by ifiwereasculptor · · Score: 3, Funny

      Run a cutting edge distro of Linux and do a blind apt-get upgrade or similar every 28 days and they're about the same.

    4. Re:Agreed by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 4, Funny

      A girlfriend is a lot more fun than a computer, at that age anyway.

      Not really. You can only hack a girlfriend once, and even then there are some associated difficulties (as Hans Reiser has found out).

    5. Re:Agreed by billcopc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're right about needs, but money is not a need, because it's an abstract concept. Quality of living is a need. The concept of poverty, in a developed world, is a very contrived and nonsensical artifact of capitalism. We have enough resources to feed, house, clothe and entertain the whole world several times over, yet our societal systems create false scarcity as the hypothetical carrot-on-a-stick to keep people enslaved and working.

      It doesn't matter how much money is being thrown around, or how big the numbers grow, if someone isn't pulling their weight, they will cause a shortage somewhere else. The illusion of money only takes our eyes off the real issue of distributing resources. After all, why associate with millions of other people if we only seek to break them down and take what's theirs ? Building, not pillaging, should be the goal of any society. Wealth means nothing if you spend every waking moment in misery and frustration.

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  5. This is not a new idea... by WMarkFelt · · Score: 3, Informative

    This approach has been used to rehabilitate terrorists as well. This idea is hardly new. http://bigthink.com/ideas/17036 "This is based on the belief that you’ve got to give these young men a stake in society and it’s been reasonably successful, although Al-Qaida is so cunning." It has some merit, but its an expensive and difficult process.

  6. Re:Same with terrorists... by SJHillman · · Score: 4, Funny

    Of course they were married. Why do you think they volunteered?

  7. Or legalize prostitution by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's my takeaway from this.

    Then again that's my takeaway from most discussions.

  8. Excuse me by sa1lnr · · Score: 3, Funny

    A modest proposal?

  9. HEY! Not cool. by girlintraining · · Score: 3, Interesting

    First, implying that this is only a problem for men is stupid. Women without responsibilities get into trouble too, often with consequences far beyond simple criminal mischief. Secondly, getting saddled with a relationshp does decrease the tendancy towards crime -- but then so does getting a car, a job, a house, etc. It'd be more accurate to say that criminals commit crime because they have less to lose.

    That's a terribly obvious thing to say, and it also provides no insight into what to do to achieve it. Should we institute arranged marriages? A chicken in every pot, and a car in every garage? Should we force employers to hire people with a criminal record? Please, do tell. I'm all ears.

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    1. Re:HEY! Not cool. by Hatta · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It'd be more accurate to say that criminals commit crime because they have less to lose.

      Except the biggest criminals are the wealthiest. I did the math a while back, and the wealth lost in the 2008 financial crisis exceeds that of *all property crime put together by several orders of magnitude*.

      If you are concerned about crime, focus at the top. Politicians and CEOs do far more harm to this country than drug addicts and gang bangers.

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    2. Re:HEY! Not cool. by spiffmastercow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Economic understanding fail. A $50k minimum wage will just end up with $50k having the same buying power that $8 an hour has today. Currency only has value determined by scarcity and trust, even if you outlaw the rich earning more than $70k, you will still devalue the currency and luxuries will be exchanged directly instead of with the state currency as a pathway.

      No, you fail to understand. The US GDP is ~$15 trillion, and there are ~100m working adults. That's $150k each. If you set the minimum wage to $50k, the wealthier people will still make 4-5 times as much as the poor, rather than the 100x to 1000x more that they make now. Now, you could argue that there would be a productivity drop, and you'd probably be right, but my point here isn't about exact figures, but rather that we live in a society that, if equitable, could provide a pretty good standard of living to all, rather than a shitty standard of living for most and a ridiculous standard for a select lucky few.

  10. Good luck... by nighthawk243 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You know how hard it is to find a girl who likes guys who are overweight, work on computers, have an affinity for Cheetos, Mountain Dew, and avoiding showers?

  11. Outdated information by hessian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Back in the early days, hackers were young hobbyists.

    The people who are most dangerous now are simply criminals who've learned to operate computers.

    Teenage and young adult hacking is part of the learning process and should be encouraged as part of the growth process. Most of those people will go on to futures in computer science.

    The criminals will not.

  12. Novel approach! by bobetov · · Score: 3, Funny

    I just wanted to congratulate TFA's authors for this incredibly novel approach to finding a girlfriend - drafting all of society into a plan to find them dates. Ingenious!

    A bit desperate perhaps, but still... genius!

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  13. Yeah but... by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 3, Funny

    We've already seen how this ends up:

    http://i.imgur.com/q0ycr.png

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  14. Hackers? Heck, it worked on terrorists. by rbrander · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The best way to eliminate terrorists was actually invented by Yasser Arafat and some of his advisors, who themselves had invented Black September, the terrorist group that murdered Israeli athletes at the 72 Olympics in Munich:

    http://m.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/2001/12/hoffman.htm

    When they weren't needed any more...they married them off. Told them to go into deep cover in Jordan, found pretty Palestinian girls to marry the "heroes", have kids, be "sleeper agents"...and never gave them a mission. Interviewed years later, few were willing to accept one any more.

  15. Re:Discouraging/dumb title by LateArthurDent · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Most men are intimidated by smart women, and so most women who are smart try to conceal it.

    This doesn't apply to you because you say you're gay (and I assume other women wouldn't be intimidated by smart women), but those other women you're talking about are doing it wrong. You don't hide who you are, especially not your virtues, such as intelligence, in order to make a relationship last for longer. That only makes it harder to break up when you find out your partner has that inferiority complex. What intelligent woman wants to be in a relationship with a guy who needs to feel superior to her?

    When I meet a new girl, I tend to go out of my way to put all my nerdiness out there. More often than not (much more often than not), there's no second date. I consider that a benefit. I'm not going to change who I am to fit a woman's model of what I should be like, so if she doesn't want to date a nerd, I don't want to date her. I don't want to suffer through a painful breakup later when she finally figures out who I really am and the personality I was hiding. Those relationships that did last were significantly more meaningful as a result, and I retained a friendship with a few exes because I truly enjoyed their company and personality. "We should still be friends" isn't an insult to me, and if I had I enjoyed their company while we were dating, I'm glad to take them up on that offer when they make it seriously.

  16. Many troll articles today by Hentes · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The article is full of prejudice, misinformation and bullshit. First of all, the hackers causing real damage aren't your stereotypical basement dwellers: most of them are either part of a criminal organisation or a state agency. The young kiddies who do it for the lulz, as a challenge or to support an ideology are only the visible tip of a huge iceberg, as they are the ones who are either too careless to cover their trails or directly announce their deeds. Most of the time they cause little harm, and sometimes can even be valuable when pointing out vulnerabilities which could have lead to the loss of sensitive data in the hands of a more mischievous hacker. If you want to stop them from growing up to be blackhats, the most important thing would be legislation that doesn't send them to jail for pointing out that a door is open. If you don't want them to become outcasts, don't cast them out. Provide them with ways to use their skills within the boundaries of the law. Sending a shoplifting kid to jail is a sure way to turn him into a robber, and the iron fist approach will not work any better on adolescent hackers.