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US Army Developing Armor Tailored For Females
cylonlover writes, quoting Gizmag: "Body armor is a blessing and a curse for soldiers. Modern tactical armor has saved thousands of lives from bullets and bombs, but it can also be a major problem if it doesn't fit properly. That's what the women who make up 14 percent of the U.S. Army face on a regular basis. Now, according to the Army News Service, the Army is preparing to test a new armor that is tailored to the female form to replace the standard men's armor that the women now use. Working on data collected in studies overseas and at stateside army bases, the Program Executive Office (PEO) Soldier has identified several problem areas and has developed a new armor that will be tested in 2013."
Who ever considered breasts a problem area? Seriously...
edit: captcha spelled "maternal". Hah.
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Sweet! Booty armor!
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Finally something like in Mass Effect?
If recent threads on slashdot about anything involving women are anything to go by, this will degenerate into a flame war between mysoginists and normal people.
After all, if women aren't up to the job of wearing body armour, they shouldn't join the army. So what if it puts them off. Should we concentrating on getting more women to become barbage(wo)men?
For the impaired: that is sarcasm.
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All my gaming experience has taught me that it should be skin-tight and leaves arms, legs and midriff bare.
Interesting that they can write a whole article on redesigning body armor for women and there's not a single reference to tatas.
Are the main differences really torso length, should width, and waist size? Do chesticles not really factor into the redesign? Or are the authors just being polite and not highlighting jugs as a factor?
What doesn't kill you only delays the inevitable
... the Army is preparing to test a new armor that is tailored to the female form
God help me, my first thought was a combination of Madonna's steel cones combined with Austin Powers fembots' machine gun jubblies.
It's not a chainmail bikini and hence the armor rating is really shitty when worn by females.
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LOL! The old chainmail bikini thing from the 80's D&D era?
I'm a female gamer and I always laughed at that stuff.
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If there are no references to schlockmercenary in this thread I will be mightily disappointed.
I should be surprised that this hasn't already been done, but given that it's the US military, I'm not surprised at all.
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They finally saw the women are a little bit different from men.
Next step?
Sent as ripples into the electromagnetic field. No single photon has been harmed in the process.
As an example, my wife has two scars between her breasts from burning hot shells from a 50 cal machine gun while she was in Iraq. Because she's a D-cup the body armor she was wouldn't fit tight against the neck area like it does on a man.. she describes it as nearly impossible to reach down and grab the shell, sometimes there wasn't time to do anything about it.
They're also releasing a consumer line of female body armor, available in 28 different colors and patterns including taupe, seafoam green, mauve, purple camo, plaid and hot pink polka dots.
Your username plus your description of your wife... good lord man, let's hang out.
BTW, glad to hear it sounds like her injuries may be limited to a couple of scars (physical ones anyway)
One of the things that is supposed to have demoralised numbers of German soldiers later in WW2 is that so many of the Russian tank crews were women. But why should that be surprising? In the Napoleonic wars and after, the powder room on many British warships (where they kept the explosives, not the toilet) would have been operated by women who, according to the official lists, didn't even exist. It seems amazing that so many of them managed to live on cramped warships in addition to the official crew establishment, but memos from Nelson to John Jervis make it clear that this was a case where sensible officers turned a blind eye.
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"Complex Curvatures" were specifically mentioned as one of the problem areas (second article).
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Grow up and show some respect, asshole.
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The amount of awesome in your post is amazing for slash dot. 1) wife 2) d-cup 3) using a 50. cal 4) body armor. 5) reaching between You have reached a Nirvana few slashdotters will ever attain. ps Tell her "thank you for all shes done for the country."
The overlapping plates in Dragon Skin already largely solve this problem by forming to the wearer. The fact that it's better armor than Kevlar + trauma plates is a nice bonus =)
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But will the armor look sexy on me?
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We'll just disband the military entirely and stop all research. After all, if we don't want to get in to a conflict, it'll never happen right? No nation has EVER been attacked or invaded without starting shit.
Oh please. While I agree that the US need to stop trying to play world police and getting involved in shit all over, that doesn't mean that a military still isn't going to be needed. Not many countries can get away with having no military and the ones that can it is only because another nation or nations protects them.
This is quite a sensible thing for the military to spend money on. Some women wish to serve as soldiers, they should have body armour that works for them.
All the Mass Effect's had the armor done right.
I have evaluated your statement and found it having the value of true.
Who ever considered breasts a problem area? Seriously...
edit: captcha spelled "maternal". Hah.
I think they're referring to the maternity wear. Men's tac vests are too loose around the waste on hourglass non-prego women and too tight on the preggos.
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Wow is funny because the same armour will look different on the male and female models. You put it on a male and it is a shirt, you put it on a female and it is a halter top, that kind of thing.
I used to think it was just to appeal to the stereotypical male gamer crowd but many women want their characters to be cutesy as well. One problem WoW had in terms of side balance when it was released was the Horde was ugly. All the characters on that side were not very pretty, whereas the Alliance, the other side had pretty characters. This was a complaint from a number of female gamers, and as such later the Horde got a pretty race.
Yeah, because I'm sure that Adult film producer (866485) would be very offended at the thought of women's breasts being considered sexual.
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How about instead of spending likely millions (hey defense contractors gotta get paid) making body armor for 14% of the army that has a even lower percent of that 14 that actually get into combat I have a better idea. How about we stop fucking sticking our noses into other countries business and stop fighting useless conflicts that dont do anything but cost us billions and waste shit loads of resources?
So dont make womens body armor and stop getting into useless pissing matches that dont actually resolve anything then we would say billions of dollars, countless hours, lives, resources, time and energy. But we cant do that really, our military is the only thing that makes us relevant to the rest of the world and everyone would stop paying attention to us if we werent constantly shooting our giant dick shaped bombs at them. But hey its ok, were fighting terrorists! Despite the fact we act like terrorists in the process but its all good cause "AMERIKAHS DA GR8TEST! WOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! USA USA USA SUPPORT OUR TROOPS YEEEEEHHHAAAA!"
identified several problem areas
Have someone from the army contact me.
For $2.55 million, plus cost overruns, I can identify two problem areas.
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Pull your head out of your ass and stop making assumptions. You think you're intelligent but all you spout is BS talking points someone else came up with.
1) The post said she was shot. It didn't say she shot back, so you don't know if she killed anyone.
2) Those so called "freedom fighters" were either A) ex-Iraqi Army soldiers who basically fled in the face of the US military and joined the militias, so the same idiots who worked for Saddam and oppressed other Iraqis, or B) people who joined militias that not only fought the US military but just as often attacked their fellow Iraqis for having the "wrong kind of Islam". You can argue the reasons for the US going into Iraq, but I live in the biggest Marine town in the US (San Diego) and have met numerous marines, and all of them in Iraq really did try to help the Iraqi people. Freedom fighters my ass, they only wanted the freedom to oppress those different from themselves. The only good guys in the whole Iraqi conflict was the average US soldier.
Anonymous - no surprise with such a small-minded, group-love, hell-no-we-won't-go, dope smoking retard. I hope the next terrorist strike hits so close to home for you, you never forget it. If we're lucky it will either kill you or just leave unable to reproduce.
Come on now. The guy with a wife with scarred tits is named Adult film producer. To just ask for a pic is a rather modest request, personally I'd request the whole filmography featuring his wife.
As an example, my wife has two scars between her breasts from burning hot shells from a 50 cal machine gun while she was in Iraq. Because she's a D-cup the body armor she was wouldn't fit tight against the neck area like it does on a man.. she describes it as nearly impossible to reach down and grab the shell, sometimes there wasn't time to do anything about it.
A 50-cal machine gun? Good lord.. what was she shooting?
A government is a body of people notably ungoverned - AC
They used to call these things chastity belts.
Yeah, because I'm sure that Adult film producer (866485) would be very offended at the thought of women's breasts being considered sexual.
Really? That's what you took from his juvenile, knee-jerk comment? Would you say the same if he said his wife had to have a mastectomy?
She got scarred in a very personal place, as a direct result of serving her country, all for a reason that should have been addressed a decade or more ago. I really hope she's not self-conscious about it, but it surely must bother her a bit.
What would be your response if, instead, it was you wearing pants designed for women, and the fact that your little weenis pushed the front out far enough to let shells drop into the front of your pants resulted in scarring? Not so funny now, eh?
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I appreciate the insight. Far too often such problems are overlooked by the men in charge because of lust and the women in charge because of envy. I really do enjoy learning about the other side of things.
The lighter side of this.
1) The post said she was shot. It didn't say she shot back, so you don't know if she killed anyone.
No it didn't. It said she was injured from the shells. As in, the stuff that remains when the bullet goes through. Which means she was doing the shooting.
Pull your head out of your ass and stop making assumptions. You think you're intelligent but all you spout is BS talking points someone else came up with.
Feeling mighty stupid now, aren't yer?
equal numbers of men and women in the military and on the front lines. It's what feminists want right, equality? I wonder why I haven't heard many feminists protesting the inequality in deaths in the military and in dangerous jobs?
An M2, probably.
Sad that it took the Army higher ups this long to realize women are shaped differently to men. Bullet-proof vests for women have been available to US law enforcement for many years. My wife has one. Can be an issue though with the curves around the breasts deflecting the bullets in a dangerous direction.
"edit: captcha spelled "maternal". Hah."
I swear that the /. captcha are context aware.
1) The post said she was shot. It didn't say she shot back, so you don't know if she killed anyone.
No it didn't. It said she was injured from the shells. As in, the stuff that remains when the bullet goes through. Which means she was doing the shooting.
No it doesn't, it simply means she was in the path of the ejecting brass from a fired .50 cal. Most guns don't throw their spent shell casings strait up and back to hit the operator in the face/chest area. It should be common sense as to why, but apparently not here. All you have to do is mention guns, war, and breasts and you get the trifecta of idiots on slashdot out to make inappropriate comments and stupid assumptions.
Actually, that sounds hilarious.
Even better that you americans are circumcised and would burn your dick even more.
Anyway, the guys name still hints at it being a not very personal space.
Also, she can probably hid it behind her massive tits.
Now stop being whiteknight.
Wow...assume much?
a) not american
b) not circumcised, mostly because I'm
c) not male.
So yes, I know what I'm talking about, more than some teenage boy who never leaves his mama's basement (okay, that's my assumption re: the character of the AC).
Right or wrong, western society's focus on the female appearance often makes scarring to the face or chest much more traumatic than it is for men. For men, it's considered macho to have scars, for women, it's considered disfiguring. I didn't say that was fair, it's just the double standard that is in place.
Oh, and assuming that his tag reflects reality also implies that yours does...so am I talking to a wall here? Maybe I should be using smaller words?
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You think they would've been shooting a .50 caliber machine gun unless someone was trying to kill them? And the people trying to kill coalition troops weren't "freedom fighters".
The US really needs to stop their global cop routine or eventually the chickens will come home to roost. Replacing autocratic dictators with religious fundamentalists is not improving world civilization people.
Who ever considered breasts a problem area? Seriously...
edit: captcha spelled "maternal". Hah.
Well for one the Amazon Warriors are rumored to have removed a breast to more easily shoot a bow.
"Among Classical Greeks, amazon was given a popular etymology as from a-mazos, "without breast", connected with an etiological tradition that Amazons had their left breast cut off or burnt out, so they would be able to use a bow more freely and throw spears without the physical limitation and obstruction" -Wikipedia
Yeah dude, the post doesn't say she was shot, it says she got burned from hot shells falling into her neckline and going between her breasts. Chill out.
Please don't feed the trolls.
Not to mention that AFAIK Iraq did not even use .50 cal. You know, the rest of the world uses metric. .50 cal is used in the M2 Browning machine gun which is usually a vehicle mounted weapon. The Iraqis used the Soviet style rounds so their equivalent weapon would have been a 12.7 x 108 mm weapon like a DShK. She basically was injured by her own ejected shells probably off an M2 Browing machine gun. Which is kind of weird since the ejection port of a machine gun is usually in one of the sides of the weapon so boh?
pics or it didnt happen
here ya go: http://jgiampietro.deviantart.com/art/Wonder-Woman-in-Warrior-Armor-63771883
Havoc Video
Its a requirement to see this video before you fully appreciate the modern female's body armor needs.
Hypothetically:
If the Chinese army invaded US soil, would you join the army or a militia to help defend the USA? I assume yes.
If the Chinese invaded us because our government oversaw thousands of killings in, say, GTMO, would you still fight? I assume yes.
What if our government had censored our media so that we had no idea that the government had done really terrible things, and they were invading us for just cause, would you still fight? I assume yes.
Try to place yourself in the shoes of these Iraqis that we are fighting. For the most part, they are simply defending their homeland against an outside intruder.
The fact is that we were killing thousands of innocent Iraqis who were doing nothing but defending the place they call home. But it is no surprise that you immediately jumped to the dope-smoking-hippie label, since you are obviously a nationalist retard.
Why female armor sucks.
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An M2, probably.
The HMG drops it's rounds out the bottom of the weapon body once the edjection claw pulls the round out of the chamber.
Not to mention the fact that a .50 cal is not used to "shoot freedom fighters" as the Geneva conventions specifically restricts the use of such weapons to enemy vehicles and equipment. From talking to my friends who were in the service about this exact topic it seems like command is pretty serious about what gets shot with large caliber weapons.
1) The post said she was shot. It didn't say she shot back, so you don't know if she killed anyone.
No it didn't. It said she was injured from the shells. As in, the stuff that remains when the bullet goes through. Which means she was doing the shooting.
No but you must feel pretty stupid because the shells eject from the side downwards, not back upwards at the person firing the gun, that would be a stupid design. More than likely she was a passenger in the vehicle and one fell down on her. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb3eoKhRS9A
And the ejected shells often fall into the humvee where the other soldiers are riding. Depending on the direction the gun was firing she was likely either the driver or a passenger.
"1) The post said she was shot."
He said she was shot? Can you quote that for me?
Weren't the Taliban called freedom fighters when we funded them?
obviously not in Iraq though.
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As an example, my wife has two scars between her breasts from burning hot shells from a 50 cal machine gun while she was in Iraq. Because she's a D-cup the body armor she was wouldn't fit tight against the neck area like it does on a man.. she describes it as nearly impossible to reach down and grab the shell, sometimes there wasn't time to do anything about it.
Body armor was not designed to protect against ejected shells.
A simple Army issued tee shirt would have done that.
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And that seriousness lasts just as long as the first guy taking shots at you. And of course there is plenty of photographic evidence of US troops manning .50 cal machine guns against Taleban for example, plastered across front pages of websites and magazines. And those guys going generally attack on foot.
Actually, it sounds like a scene from an updated three stooges.
man with massive cock takes a hot shell down his pants because of it. Also sticks ensue, people want to see the evidence (i.e. pics of his huge cock).
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Interesting take on options for body armor in the future (this and the next ~10 strips), and how some things don't change.
...slap stick...
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Considering the poster's Slashdot name, the entire story is probably made up.
An army issue tee shirt would have prevented ejected brass from finding its way to her boobs.
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For men, it's considered macho to have scars, for women, it's considered disfiguring. I didn't say that was fair, it's just the double standard that is in place.
I'm not so sure about that any more. Certainly my girl friends (american sense - not sexual sense) tend to show off their scars quite a bit; but that's more to do with shared extreme sport-accident culture and possibly cesarians etc. Girls in Europe definitely go in bikinis or topless on the beach after a cesarian no problem. Some of my friends are even pretty cool about some (pretty limited) facial damage up to and including slightly visible broken noses, though I bet anything ugly on the face would be a problem. I guess for "army girls" the situation would not be much different.
Judging by this most people would just put a video up on YouTube nowadays and be done. Hmm.
Oh, and assuming that his tag reflects reality also implies that yours does...so am I talking to a wall here? Maybe I should be using smaller words?
There are no words small enough to get through the stupidity of the bottom end of Slashdot posters. Don't take it personally, just laugh at the failure to accept their sad lives that their bitterness implies. Nothing quite like getting the trolls replying on your post to show you hit home somewhere.
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She got scarred in a very personal place, as a direct result of serving her country,
She got scarred (if it happened at all) because she was flaunting her boobs instead of wearing a regulation Army uniform.
All it takes to stop ejected brass is a tee shirt or buttoned collar. Body armor is not designed for this.
Take a look at the uniform for that region:
http://www.militaryclothing.com/img/DCU%20Quick%20Find.JPG
The story is apocryphal. A scam. And you bit.
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Why do people expect everyone to be thankful to the soldiers? They chose to join, they got paid, they got their benefits. They weren't forced and they didn't work for minimum wage.
Not to mention that the country might be better off if fewer people joined the army. Hard to attack random countries if you're struggling to keep your forces up to strength even in peace time.
Actually most of the fighting in Iraq was from or caused by insurgents (mainly from Syria). The US presence was not seen by the majority of the people as a bad thing. Some country coming in and pouring billions of dollars into water, streets, hospitals and airports is not usually looked on badly. Any fighting you see now is just internal religious squabbles that were there before. As far as foreign wars go I feel we should handle things in the US and not be world police. That does not mean that what this woman did was not brave. And you being able to post such comments is due to people like her doing what they have done for generations. So you may see just hate, but I see a brave woman that risked her life for what she believes in, and that is probably more than most have done.
I'm pretty sure most of the Iraqi civilians qualify too.
pics or it didnt happen
These new memes just don't have the character of the ld ones. This is /., not 4chan, the quote is:
Natalie Portman, naked and petrified, hot 50cal casings down her shirt! Mmmmmm
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Actually most of the fighting in Iraq was from or caused by insurgents (mainly from Syria).
And the Allies had nothing to do with stirring that shit.
If the M2 is mounted on an open-top vehicle (which historically was pretty common for it), the downward ejection of spent brass isn't necessarily the safest path. Given its abilitty in Iraq to turn the tide of battle shortly after arriving on the scene, I doubt many were complaining at the time.
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I was in the military and I saw very few instances where there was a need to conform to a female form. Lotsa women - few female forms.
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Getting turned on is NOT disrespectful -- it's about how you treat a lady. Obviously, there is a bit of construction worker competing with the geek factor here on Slashdot.
Now, anyone who isn't getting a boner about hot shells falling down the cleavage of a D-Cup lady as she's pounding out 50 Cal bullets just isn't a hot blooded American male. Sometimes "respect" can be confused with "irredeemably metro".
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Had she been dressed with everything she was "supposed" to be wearing.
It's a desert. Perhaps she didn't have one (supplies problem, or was destroyed for some other reason such as makeshift repair) or she simply was not wearing it due to heat.
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For men, it's considered macho to have scars, for women, it's considered disfiguring. I didn't say that was fair, it's just the double standard that is in place.
I'm not so sure about that any more. Certainly my girl friends (american sense - not sexual sense) tend to show off their scars quite a bit; but that's more to do with shared extreme sport-accident culture and possibly cesarians etc. Girls in Europe definitely go in bikinis or topless on the beach after a cesarian no problem. Some of my friends are even pretty cool about some (pretty limited) facial damage up to and including slightly visible broken noses, though I bet anything ugly on the face would be a problem. I guess for "army girls" the situation would not be much different.
Good points all.
It's great to hear that some stereotypes are being overturned, although the caesarian scars are a direct consequence of childbearing, a 'traditional' feminine role (not like it can be considered traditionally masculine, I suppose :) So showing off their scars in that respect basically shows 'look, I'm fertile, I've borne children', and they're in a location that's easy to cover up. Are they as carefree about appendectomy or kidney transplant scars, I wonder?
You're right, though, that 'army girls' and participants in extreme sports / hazardous occupations are less likely to be self conscious of scars received during work / play. I'm guessing that scars on the breasts, however, are less often shown off, because for some reason we all get a bit goofy when it comes to breasts. They must be large, round, firm, symmetrical and flawless, or we're not up to (albeit ridiculous) societal standards. Hence the very lucrative 'cosmetic enhancement' industry, not to mention the (generally hideously uncomfortable) push-up bra industry. Victoria's real secret is that she's desperately trying not to pick her panties out of her ass on camera, you know.
Oh, and assuming that his tag reflects reality also implies that yours does...so am I talking to a wall here? Maybe I should be using smaller words?
There are no words small enough to get through the stupidity of the bottom end of Slashdot posters. Don't take it personally, just laugh at the failure to accept their sad lives that their bitterness implies. Nothing quite like getting the trolls replying on your post to show you hit home somewhere.
Yeah, I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, the irony of the situation just grabbed at me in this case... :)
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Do us all a favor and go play in a forest fire.
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I salute Adult film producer (866485)'s wife.
I'm standing to attention right now.
That's why the army is now developing breast plate.
Not to mention the fact that a .50 cal is not used to "shoot freedom fighters" as the Geneva conventions specifically restricts the use of such weapons to enemy vehicles and equipment.
This is a common misconception. There's nothing in the Geneva conventions that prohibits the use of .50 BMG and similar cartridges against human targets. The restrictions on weapons used in warfare actually come from the Hague conventions, and they only prohibit the use of expanding or exploding bullets (hence why militaries all use FMJ).
Your friends were either bullshitting you, or they misunderstood the nature of the restriction (you wouldn't want to waste these kinds of bullets on soft targets not in cover when a GPMG in .308 would do just fine)
Yea, because there's no possible reason one might want to forgo an "unnecessary" layer while out in a desert.
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You don't use a .50 and get brass in your face/shirt. It ejects sideways/down, so it's far more likely she was simply nearby.
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Yeah, because there's no chance that someone with the handle "Adult film producer" is making up a story about his big-breasted machine-gun-wielding soldier wife.
Like they say on Reddit, "Ask the OPs to provide proof, and upvote those who do!"
Dear Slashdot: next time you want to mess with the site, add a rich-text editor for comments.
Which, to be fair, was probably omitted to help keep cool. Lesson learned, I bet.
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She got scarred in a very personal place, as a direct result of serving her country,
She got scarred (if it happened at all) because she was flaunting her boobs instead of wearing a regulation Army uniform.
All it takes to stop ejected brass is a tee shirt or buttoned collar. Body armor is not designed for this.
Take a look at the uniform for that region:
http://www.militaryclothing.com/img/DCU%20Quick%20Find.JPG
The story is apocryphal. A scam. And you bit.
Really? So a 0.3 mm thick cotton shirt is supposed to disperse the heat from a recently ejected 50 cc shell...how exactly? Especially when it's trapped against the chest by what amounts to a stiff board?
All that heat has to go somewhere. Try holding a recently ejected cartridge against your ankle (equivalent in sensitivity, although not in texture) while wearing thin dress socks sometime . Oh, and hold it there nice and tight until it cools down.
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prego/preggo? So offensive... and I love how you can't decide how many G's to stick in there.
Really? So a 0.3 mm thick cotton shirt is supposed to disperse the heat from a recently ejected 50 cc shell...how exactly? Especially when it's trapped against the chest by what amounts to a stiff board?
How? By not letting the casing down there in the first place.
Did you even LOOK at the jpg you included in your quote?
The direct quote was BETWEEN her breasts, not against a breast.
There is no way this happens unless she violates combat regs and leaves the shirt off to show off her guns.
But again, given the posters name, Adult film producer, you have to assume the story is totally made up.
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So, -- let's be honest now -- how many of you clicked on TFA to see if there were photos of the problem areas?
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
Women should not be in combat. It's hard enough to find men who can handle it, not to mention so many other numerous problems. This PC garbage gets people killed and it will lose us our next big war.
And does it have a baby sling built in? Seriously though about 1 out of 7 people in the Armed Forces are rifle toting grunts. Most people and that includes almost all women work in maintaining trucks, logistical support, paperwork and such.
The Taliban formed long after the Soviets left Afghanistan so they were never funded as part of that war.
The Taliban are only in Afghanistan and Pakistan, not Iraq.
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hopefully, the enemy
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My being able to post that comment is not due to fighting foreign wars, but due to diligence here in the US where I can vote for leaders who will hopefully try to not take away that right. We invaded Iraq, a sovereign nation that did not provoke us, and was not a threat to our nation at all. A very real potential outcome of that war is more future terrorism against the USA which will lead to more rights restrictions from our government in the name of security.
I applaud the people who are willing to put their lives on the line to protect our country, but I hold higher those that are willing to ignore orders and do the right thing. It doesn't take a genius to understand that we had no right to be there, and many thousands of people died as a result. Unfortunately, our young soldiers are conditioned into always following orders, regardless of the outcome. Part of this conditioning is to refer to the enemy as lesser people, which leads to inhumane acts like what has occurred in GTMO and Abu Ghraib.
Really? So a 0.3 mm thick cotton shirt is supposed to disperse the heat from a recently ejected 50 cc shell...how exactly? Especially when it's trapped against the chest by what amounts to a stiff board?
How? By not letting the casing down there in the first place.
Did you even LOOK at the jpg you included in your quote?
The direct quote was BETWEEN her breasts, not against a breast.
There is no way this happens unless she violates combat regs and leaves the shirt off to show off her guns.
But again, given the posters name, Adult film producer, you have to assume the story is totally made up.
I certainly did, and the only thing that's stopping that casing is that thin cotton t-shirt. The outer jacket would be subject the same, er, stresses as the flak jacket.
I did interpret 'between' as 'across' her breasts, though. Basically, there's nowhere else for the shell to go, and every movement she makes to dislodge it just results in wedging it in tighter across her front. Does it really matter if the scarring is right in the valley, or on the upper slopes? That's being a bit pedantic, don't'cha think?
Oh, and why does everyone keep assuming that the OP's sig is literal? You've never created a sig that's tounge-in-cheek, or even wishful thinking? Although...checking his comment history, you may be right. Still, it is a plausible situation, and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt here.
"I love animals! Some are cute, others are tasty, what's not to like?" - Betsy Schroeder, Jeopardy contestant
I certainly did, and the only thing that's stopping that casing is that thin cotton t-shirt. The outer jacket would be subject the same, er, stresses as the flak jacket.
Spent cases are lightweight. They bounce easily off of a tee shirt.
Even a .50 cal casing, heaver than most, is not going to penetrate a tee shirt. It will just bounce off. Yet he posted she had to "reach down" to get the shell. Clearly out of uniform.
Now if she was rushed from her mess to a combat position due to a sudden attack by pickup trucks or armored vehicles in the middle of the night I might buy it (these guns aren't used against foot solders).
I'd still have to ask what the hell she was doing on the ejection side of a .50 cal with her shirt unbuttoned, but wearing armor.
He made it up.
Sig Battery depleted. Reverting to safe mode.
Of her mouth when she puts on the armor will be..."This makes me look fat doesn't it?...Ugh!"
Rex.
I certainly did, and the only thing that's stopping that casing is that thin cotton t-shirt. The outer jacket would be subject the same, er, stresses as the flak jacket.
Spent cases are lightweight. They bounce easily off of a tee shirt.
Even a .50 cal casing, heaver than most, is not going to penetrate a tee shirt. It will just bounce off. Yet he posted she had to "reach down" to get the shell. Clearly out of uniform.
Now if she was rushed from her mess to a combat position due to a sudden attack by pickup trucks or armored vehicles in the middle of the night I might buy it (these guns aren't used against foot solders).
I'd still have to ask what the hell she was doing on the ejection side of a .50 cal with her shirt unbuttoned, but wearing armor.
He made it up.
Bounce off the shirt...off the inside of the armor...back off the shirt...back off the armor...see where I'm going with this? It doesn't have to penetrate the shirt to transfer heat to the skin beneath, it just has to be trapped against it by, oh, I don't know, some sort of stiff board-like substance pressed against her chest. And if it's trapped between the upper swell of her chest and the armor, how else would she get it out other than to 'reach down' the front of the armor?
The point is, the fact that she was wearing ill-fitting armor allowed the shell to bounce inside. It is probably a pretty uncommon occurrence, and it could even happen to a guy with big enough pecs (or moobs, I suppose). Perhaps she was wearing the jacket, or perhaps not (it is a desert, after all), but once that shell is inside the armor, it'd be a right pain to fish it out again, especially if one was otherwise occupied. She can't just stand up, hunch her shoulders and suck in her chest to let it fall through, like a typical guy could. Chances are, to keep the armor from sliding around and providing even less protection, it had to be cinched pretty darn tight.
I think you just like the idea of a d-cup woman with her shirt unbuttoned to her navel, in body armor, waving around a 50 cc gun... :-)
"I love animals! Some are cute, others are tasty, what's not to like?" - Betsy Schroeder, Jeopardy contestant
This is going to cause severe fragmentation in the body armor market. Now the developers are going to need to anticipate the needs of two different market segments rather than one. This is going to increase production cost as well as complicate inventory, not to mention the fact that third-party accessories will now have to conform to two different sets of specifications. Perhaps they could make it more flexible by doubling the number of horizontal and vertical plates, therefore contouring to the shape of both market segments while retaining backwards compatibility with previous models.
Actually Barret makes a dandy ultra long range sniper rifle in both a bolt action and an autoloader, both are used by the US military and civilian marksmen! .308 (7.62x51) over the .338 Lapua or th .50 BMG (but then what do I know).
I prefer the
I killed da wabbit -Elmer Fudd
Go ahead, watch it and check out the armor on the doll with the long hair!
I killed da wabbit -Elmer Fudd
You're ignoring the fact that there are often several people and objects near to you when you are shooting. Ejected casings hit things and bounce around before hitting the ground. Personally I've had my own brass hit me or go down my shirt a few times. It happens, it's hot, and it burns.
Not sure why this guy got trolled. Let's repeat GP in Slashdot English:
Guy's large-chested wife (which is busting out of her uniform) is jiggling with 50 cal recoil. I don't just want the pics, I want the mpeg!
I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!
He never said SHE shot it. Usually there is more than 1 person near a .50 when it gets fired.
The fact is that we were killing thousands of innocent Iraqis who were doing nothing but defending the place they call home.
Yes, that pretty much sums up what War really is. Nasty business. People get hurt. Folks get killed. Shit gets fucked up. Welcome to the Real World.
Right or wrong, western society's focus on the female appearance often makes scarring to the face or chest much more traumatic than it is for men
Not disagreeing with you, but I've got some news; it's not just "western" society. Pretty much all cultures have fetishes and taboos regarding physical appearance, both of the male and female. Some are more commonly held than others. It's not about fairness or even double standards, it's just part of how humans are wired... so don't take it personally.
He never said SHE shot it. Usually there is more than 1 person near a .50 when it gets fired.
6) feeding. Nirvana indeed.
Western society? No, it is evolution that is focusing on it. They have done tests where they show that babies from anywhere can recognize beauty.
It is also not a double standard. Any more than comparing a hang glider to a canoe and trying to apply the same standard.
Men have strength and killing as their powerbase. Scars show a man may be powerful as they indicate that he fights.
Women have sex as a power base. This is far more social than men's. They may be a reason we as a species have formed large societies.
Sadly neither gender has Smart as the go to. This is a secondary powerbase usually a go to if then gender powerbase is not getting one by. Life is lazy and wants to take the easiest path to survival and reproduction.
One can also look at western religions crusade against the female power base, by men. This comes in many many forms ranging from the end of female fertility gods (God did have a wife originally) to the demonization of sex and the female body. When you force all the women to completely cover themselves when out in public, there is a power that is scaring someone (and it isn't just old fashioned blood magic. you know the "must marry a virgin and first born must be a son." thing. ).
Now a lot this may sound inflammatory to the politically correct crowd but you have to ask "If a man and a women both have to convince a guy to hand over his pay check, how to they do it?".
This is also not to say that the genders do not dabble in each other's power bases. There are some very pretty men out there and there are some women who will beat a man down in a fight.
Given that there is so much variety in body shape, torso shape, etc... across everyone, and not just 2 shapes of male & female, why isn't there a more modular approach towards getting every soldier armor perfectly adapted to their bodies? Given what the US spends on military in general, citing budget reasons is an enormous pile of BS.
And I must vent: Seriously? Must the mental children turn into drooling idiots whenever the topic of a female's body differences comes up? Way to represent! You know those shitty stereotypes that say you're not going to score because you're awkward and linking nerdity with disastrous gender relations? Those of you being so clever with your jokes are perpetuating that. You are responsible for your miserable relationships or lack thereof. People are people; just fucking treat them like that, and you might find best friends, life consorts, employees, employers, etc... It's as stupid as racism, all the gushing about a physical attribute to the exclusion of who the person is. Not every single bawdy/body joke represents such problems, but when it invariably becomes half of the damn highly rated posts on every story like this, you tarnish the word "nerd" and send us all back to the 1970s a bit more.
"I swear officer, I was shooting at his rifle!"
Right or wrong, western society's focus on the female appearance often makes scarring to the face or chest much more traumatic than it is for men. For men, it's considered macho to have scars, for women, it's considered disfiguring. I didn't say that was fair, it's just the double standard that is in place.
Yeah it's all society's fault because vanity is totally not a mostly female trait.
Wear your disfigurements like a fucking badge of honor, and stop trying to indoctrinate everyone into thinking you're perfect and that your shit smells like roses.
The problem with that sort of modern scale mail is that all spots are not created equal.
Most shots will not strike a scale at a 90 angle, but some will. Most shots will not strike a scale at a point where there is no overlap, but some will.
When both of those happen at the same time, the standard AK bullet just sails on through.
Also, Dragon Skin is 3 times heavier than the Interceptor system. It's not a bad system, but it's hard to test adequately, and poorly matched to the threat of the AK-47.
Grow up and learn some courtesy, cunt.
See how that works? Probably not given how much of a rude bitch you seem to be.
Don't be silly, militaries use fmj because it's better. Higher speed, less damage to bore and much more effective against armor. Not expanding in soldier without armor is drawback, but that is negligable.
but made for a woman
I'm honestly quite touched to see you rushing to defend the honor of the wife of "Adult film producer (866485)"
I think you just like the idea of a d-cup woman with her shirt unbuttoned to her navel, in body armor, waving around a 50 cc gun... :-)
...and that should read ".50 caliber gun"... unless you've got some really high velocity injections planned! *facepalm*
oh, for an edit button on /. ...
"I love animals! Some are cute, others are tasty, what's not to like?" - Betsy Schroeder, Jeopardy contestant
Don't be silly, militaries use fmj because it's better. Higher speed, less damage to bore and much more effective against armor. Not expanding in soldier without armor is drawback, but that is negligable.
Any jacketed hollow-point doesn't do any more damage to the bore, since the jacket is what interacts with it. On the other hand, it's significantly (and not neglibibly) more efficient against unarmored targets, especially in otherwise small and weak (for a rifle round) calibers like NATO 5.56 or Soviet 5.45; and the vast majority of opponents on the battlefields of today in Iraq and Afghanistan are not wearing armor, so armor penetration is pretty much irrelevant.
In any case, your point could be argued for rifle rounds, but armies also use FMJ for pistols and pistol caliber SMGs, where the same explanation wouldn't make sense at all (9mm or .45 is pretty much completely ineffective against modern body armor, FMJ or not). So, yes, this really is done first and foremost because it is an obligation imposed by the Hague convention.
I'm honestly quite touched to see you rushing to defend the honor of the wife of "Adult film producer (866485)"
Hmmm...it just pissed me off that, simply because she's a woman, her unnecessary injuries that were received in the line of duty are trivialized and summed up, in effect, as "w00t, show us yer bewbs"
I didn't really expect such a fallout, and the overall tone of it is...quite disturbing. It's like people don't think she deserves respect at all, because a) she's a woman, b) she's in a combat role, or c) her husband (might) work in the adult film industry. I know, a lot of the comments are being contributed by trolls who wouldn't be able to look a woman in the eye if they ever crawled out of their holes long enough to actually meet one, but still...
And people wonder why women on these forums usually avoid self-identifying as such.
"I love animals! Some are cute, others are tasty, what's not to like?" - Betsy Schroeder, Jeopardy contestant
Right or wrong, western society's focus on the female appearance often makes scarring to the face or chest much more traumatic than it is for men
Not disagreeing with you, but I've got some news; it's not just "western" society. Pretty much all cultures have fetishes and taboos regarding physical appearance, both of the male and female. Some are more commonly held than others. It's not about fairness or even double standards, it's just part of how humans are wired... so don't take it personally.
Yeah, you're right.
I guess it would have been clearer to say "Thanks to the generally revealing clothing standards and unrealistic and unhealthy body/beauty images fostered by the media and entertainment industries in western society...", but that's kind of a mouthful :) And yes, even these clarifications do apply to a broader scope than just the 'western' world, but that's where I have seen them in action.
"I love animals! Some are cute, others are tasty, what's not to like?" - Betsy Schroeder, Jeopardy contestant
although the caesarian scars are a direct consequence of childbearing, a 'traditional' feminine role (not like it can be considered traditionally masculine, I suppose :) So showing off their scars in that respect basically shows 'look, I'm fertile, I've borne children', and they're in a location that's easy to cover up.
Agreed; but I definitely remember that before (e.g. 10/15 years ago?) it was something that would be more likely to be covered up and that people would be surprised if it was shown. I commented on it because it's definitely something that has changed in that time so I think it's probalby a good sign.
Are they as carefree about appendectomy or kidney transplant scars, I wonder?
Not going into details but at least one comes under that category and another is a set of serious scars after various bone operations in places you'd rather not have bone operations ;-). Most of what I'm talking about is arm and leg scars. On the rest though I agree. Mostly people are getting more uptight and perfectionist. Dressing up is cool, but not every day.
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although the caesarian scars are a direct consequence of childbearing, a 'traditional' feminine role (not like it can be considered traditionally masculine, I suppose :) So showing off their scars in that respect basically shows 'look, I'm fertile, I've borne children', and they're in a location that's easy to cover up.
Agreed; but I definitely remember that before (e.g. 10/15 years ago?) it was something that would be more likely to be covered up and that people would be surprised if it was shown. I commented on it because it's definitely something that has changed in that time so I think it's probalby a good sign.
Yes, you're right, it's a very good sign, considering the whole concept of childbirth was utterly taboo in 'polite' society not too long ago :) Good point!
Are they as carefree about appendectomy or kidney transplant scars, I wonder?
Not going into details but at least one comes under that category and another is a set of serious scars after various bone operations in places you'd rather not have bone operations ;-).
Oooh, ouch. Well, good on 'em! It sounds like they're confident in themselves, no doubt assisted greatly by having the ready support of good friends such as yourself :)
"I love animals! Some are cute, others are tasty, what's not to like?" - Betsy Schroeder, Jeopardy contestant
Do you really think that calling parent an asshole will make him, you, or the world better? If so, you're the one who might need to do some growing up. Nothing wrong with showing civility and basic respect even if parent didn't show it *in your opinion*
(I have dual citizenship) But one that actually does research Canada DOES have a military. Canada spend $24 billion per year on its military, making it 14th in spending in the world. While nowhere near the US levels, that is not a trivial amount.
Also, in Canada's case, the US does protect them. The US would not brook having Canada threatened or invaded. All that aside they are a NATO member meaning all NATO nations would be required by treaty to come to their defense.
So nice try, but a swing and a miss.
Sir, with all due respect, pics or it didn't happen.
The vast majority of insurgent combatants are not wearing any substantial form of armor.
Your thinking is more or less similar to the idiot Holmes, who shot 71 people in a close, confined space and only managed to kill 12. Was he using expanding (and deadly) hunting rounds or "better" combat-style full-metal-jacket ammo? Care to guess?
FMJ were actually invented in order to cause non-lethal wounds, because if the enemy cares for its wounded, then wounding a soldier is better than killing one.
They must be large, round, firm, symmetrical and flawless
I'd like to see you find a set of D-cups that fit that description. That large, and they're probably going to sag a little and not be all that firm.
But yes, I'd like to see you try to find a set. The looking more than the finding...
P.S. I'm very tempted to say tits or GTFO, but I'm restraining myself somehow.
Sir, with all due respect, pics or it didn't happen.
Okay, I must admit, that one made me chuckle. It doesn't mitigate the underlying disrespect for her gender, injuries or profession...but good one :p
"I love animals! Some are cute, others are tasty, what's not to like?" - Betsy Schroeder, Jeopardy contestant
Some country coming in and pouring billions of dollars into water, streets, hospitals and airports is not usually looked on badly.
Yes it is, if they carry guns and foreign flags. It might not be rational but that's the way it is.
Heck, even if they aren't carrying guns it's not very popular. Typical example would be how European cleaning teams were denied to help out with the BP oil spill.
You sexist pig!
I have no respect for garbage.
For men, it's considered macho to have scars, for women, it's considered disfiguring. I didn't say that was fair, it's just the double standard that is in place.
Just because someone is considered "disfigured" by someone else doesn't mean it's not endearing to others and not considered a disfigurement in their mind, just adds more character to the person in my opinion. I dig women with scars. Others dig women with..well, Take Katawa Shoujo for example. http://katawa-shoujo.com
No, I'm not involved in the project. I have played through it though.
Wait, what were we talking about again?!
Maybe you should go back and read the original post. He mentioned how the armour does not sit flush around the neck. Sounds like she was sat in a Hummer with shells falling on her from the .50 cal on the roof or something like that.
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>>The fact is that we were killing thousands of innocent Iraqis who were doing nothing but defending the place they call home.
>Yes, that pretty much sums up what War really is. Nasty business. People get hurt. Folks get killed. Shit gets fucked up. Welcome
>to the Real World.
Is there some kind of argument or justification buried in there? "War is awful, therefore it's OK to wage unjust wars for the benefit of profiteers?" Is that what you're trying to say? Your logic escapes me.
> hopefully, [she's shooting at] the enemy
I dunno. Is she American? If she is, then I reckon you've got about a 50/50 chance.
You forgot C) Some poor schlub whose father/ brother / cousin / kids were killed by the US as "collateral damage" or just for sport and now seeks revenge according to his society's customs. So he attacks a soldier, gets shot, and the US Army labels his corpse "insurgent" or or "Al-Qaeda" so that they can hit their daily "dead terrorists" quota.
And the victim's brother, or cousin, or son, or father hears of the killing, demands revenge... This cycle has been repeating and escalating for a decade now, and you yanks still act all shocked and confused when Iraqis shoot at you. How fucking thick can an entire nation be? Fuck america, fuck you, fuck your marine friends who are spinning you bullshit to justify their actions. I shit on your flag.
Most men aren't,t into butch women, D cup or otherwise. Now, the feminazi trained manginas are another matter.
good, go vote left mr globalist.. then we can all live the sardine can lifestyle like the chinese do. can't wait for the radiant socialist future.
Or they'll end up with kevlar bikinis.
There was no connection between Iraq and Al Qaeda. The whole WMD thing has been shown to be utter bollocks. So there was no reason for the US/coalition to invade Iraq and kill thousands of civilians.
The Iraq war did nothing to stop terrorism, it and Afghanistan have, if anything, given extremists and terrorists additional ammunition to persuade their gullible followers that the US is evil.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
pouring billions of dollars into water, streets, hospitals and airports
So the Iraq war was nothing more than a slightly roughty-toughty building contract negotiation?
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
The fact is that we were killing thousands of innocent Iraqis who were doing nothing but defending the place they call home.
Yes, that pretty much sums up what War really is. Nasty business. People get hurt. Folks get killed. Shit gets fucked up. Welcome to the Real World.
And that's why most people think of war as a last resort, not a country's preferred fucking diplomatic option.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
A simple Army issued tee shirt would have done that.
Hold on, are you saying that she wasn't wearing anything at all under the body armour?
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
pics or it didnt happen
Grow up and show some respect, asshole.
Getting a couple of singe marks on your tits isn't in the same league as killing thousands of civilians in a war that was a childish act of retaliation against a non existent threat, so why don't you show some proper respect to the real victims of Iraq, asshole?
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Yea, because there's no possible reason one might want to forgo an "unnecessary" layer while out in a desert.
That's a bit like not following correct weapons handling procedures then moaning when you shoot your toe off.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
You can argue the reasons for the US going into Iraq
There is no doubt as to the actual reason, i.e. the US wanting to show the rest of the world how big and tough they were after the shock of 9/11.
The rest is lies (WMD, some imaginary connection to bin Laden) or (being generous) after-the-fact justification such as wanting to get rid of the nasty Sadaam Hussein all of a sudden.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
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Agreed, I remember being on the range and having a 5.56 shell casing go down the sleeve of my bdu shirt, hurt like hell.
Perhaps. But under the circumstances I suspect one of the two scenarios is most likely:
Pretty much, though there's more of a reason to forgo the shirt than to mishandle the weapon.
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Perhaps. But under the circumstances I suspect one of the two scenarios is most likely:
I tend to take people at their word, because I'm a straight shooter myself. The situation he described is completely plausible in all respects, and an excellent example of why modifications to body armor should have been implemented decades ago: why assume he's making it up? Just because he has an ill-considered sig?
(also, it had never even dawned on me how a woman in body armor shooting a large gun and receiving injuries to her chest from it could be considered erotic. Some men really do live in a shallow little petri dish, don't they? Or maybe it's just their minds living there...)
Regardless, I just have one question for you. If you were once a garbage collector, would you really not mind being expected to empty trash cans and pick up litter everywhere you go for the rest of your life, while you're on vacation, while you're out shopping, even if you moved to a different career?
Then why, pray tell, would you figure she would feel any different, even if she was in the industry? It's a job, for chrissake, it's not who she is. I have what may be heartbreaking news for you and many others: the on-screen talent in the adult film industry are called actors for a reason...they're just pretending to like you (or the generic on-screen male substitute). Oh, I don't doubt that some enjoy their job more than others, but for most, it's just a way to pay the bills. Sorry.
"I love animals! Some are cute, others are tasty, what's not to like?" - Betsy Schroeder, Jeopardy contestant
Ah, new t-shirts do a good job. Old, worn ones tend to get floppy and allow hot brass down your shirt. Guess which type you tend to have more of on a deployment?
I am a guy, without man boobs, and I've gotten hot brass down the front and back of my shirt. And up sleeves. And in my pocket, and INSIDE MY HELMET LINER. Brass burns are a common issue for anyone that does a lot of shooting. It can be... particularly problematic for female shooters. You definitely get to know someone. A true professional (at the range) calmly puts down the rifle, MG or whatnot first before doing the hot brass dance. Idiots do the hot brass dance with a loaded weapon, usually off safe, causing everyone to hit the deck.
He's showing the military the respect they are due : none.
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I'm reminded of a quote from the Aliens Colonial Marines manual book.
"We have light green marines, we have dark green marines, and we have bumpy marines. But they're all marines!"
No, big caliber shells can get extremely hot (to the point of glowing at night). A simple T-shirt won't help much if it gets stuck on you.
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A T shirt under the armour (while probably worn) wouldn't have done shit to keep brass out. A T shirt over the armour with a tight-fitting neck will.