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In Brazil, All Vehicles Must Have Radio IDs By 2014
morcego writes "Brazil's National Traffic Council (CNT) published Friday a resolution that institutes the National System of Automatic Vehicle Identification (Siniav). According to the Q&A published (Google translation from Portuguese), only 'visible and public' information will be available (vehicle year or fabrication, make, model, combustible, engine power and license plate number), without any personal information about the owner or registration data. This system will be mandatory for all vehicles (cars, trucks, motorcycles, etc) and should cost vehicle owners approximately R$5 (less than US$3)."
certainly much simpler than spending gazillion dollars on cameras with ocr for the plates, like what's being rolled out in western world.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
Hm. An RFID chip to be installed on the windshield in Brazilian heat? Surely, nothing could go wrong.
Why would you want such a thing? Humans can't read it and it sounds like criminals can easily swap tags or fake tags if they want to disguise themselves. License plates at least gave you the option to report a driver that caused an accident. At best, this is useful for statistics about vehicle usage, not for individual tracking, taxing or that sort of thing.
I was promised a flying car. Where is my flying car?
The license plate number is not considered registration data?
This means you are trackable.
I lost me sig.
I think it will not be long before it will be mandatory for persons as well here (Netherlands).
They are now putting fingerprints and other biometric parameters in your passport and identity card, and it is mandatory to carry it whenever you are outdoors.
The next step will be to implant the RFID chip.
It is now being tested with pet animals, next will probably be farm animals, and when this does not cause any obvious health problems you will be required to have a chip implanted with your identifying information.
All for the sake of the war on terrorism.
What a CNT of a requirement.
Johnny Mnemonic: Yeah, the Black Shakes. What causes it?
Spider: What causes it?
[points to various pieces of equipment throughout the room]
Spider: This causes it! This causes it! This causes it! Information overload! All the electronics around you poisoning the airwaves. Technological fucking civilization. But we still have all this shit, because we can't live without it. Let me do my work.
- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113481/quotes
Bloomberg just released an article relating to car theft in Brazil: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-10/brazil-wonders-why-its-rich-kids-are-so-good-at-stealing-cars.html So who's the manufacturer?
Well, car thefts are quite frequent in some Brazilian cities, so it's not surprise that most people won't see anything wrong on that apart from paying 5 bucks for the thing themselves. Some people will even see this as a good thing; well, it's an extremely cheap car tracking service!
There were really few contrary opinions to the resolution. Mr. Raul Jungmann, national representative, filed a request for its suspension, alluding to privacy concerns, but no final solution was given to the matter since 2007. It had no big repercussion on media, too. That's how things work in Brazil: these stuff get approved with enough antecedence, but become news just over the deadline. I can't say if it's intentional, but it really seems so.
Boa sorte!
It's a tax and a power grab. You are going to be taxed, whatever the cost of installation will be (5 bucks? I don't think so) and it's a power grab by the government, that will use the device you'll be paying for to track your ass.
You can't handle the truth.
I bet a cousin of a curtain politician has a company with thousands of those devices preordered and in stock. I also bet that there are only a few brands of these devices allowed in the brasilian market, those brands already exclusive to curtain cousins of active politicians. And the show must go on...
cars are slaverie
They can now track where and when your car has been in real time with radio tags all they need to do is set up radio towers in a grid like pattern, even if they only do it in cites that's useful information to them.
happening right now?
Romney/Ryan. A great pair to kick Obama's ass.
And you leftist free software hippies and still asleep after a long night playing D&D I guess.
Wake up and smell the budget cuts, losers. You might all have to go out and get jobs. Ooes Noes!
let's hope they do things like let people store medical information on these radio ID's, not just things that make it easier to collect money.
If someone were to get in an accident but be able to indicate they're a hemophiliac, for example.
I can see RFID work in such an application, as long as they are write-once. Otherwise I'd give it a week before everyone is Spartacus :).
RFIDs are actually more practical than ANR - less horsepower required to read, and no games with "accidentally" leaving mud on the plates (however, if they cannot be read very quickly there may be an issue). However, I can only see this work with vehicle attached RFID - license RFID should be separate or you'll have to leave the chip open to reprogramming, which is IMHO where the problems hide here (as above :).
I was actually waiting for something like this to happen - vehicle ID hasn't seen progress since VINs. However, as always I'd be worried about privacy implications - with ANR there is already enough discussion.
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I am the retard who is telling you to invest in Kapsch who creates the infallible E-Z Pass.
Three or four articles and press releases have been released in the past twelve hours. I deduct that Kapsch (the same producer of the failed E-Z Pass) is going to be producing these devices for the Brazilian government. ( See: http://www.kapsch.net/en/KapschGroup/press/articles/files/2012/PR_KTC_First_order_for_delivery_of_on-board_units_from_Brazil_EN.pdf posted 13 hours ago ). Their stock is down in case anyone is interested. Articles are being simultaneously released by Bloomberg. All articles released within a four hour difference.
Clone it, zap the original, leave hidden clone in car for daily tracking.
Spoof different RFID and keep in Faraday wrap.
Swap as desired.
"This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
The chips will be supplied by Kapsch ( http://www.kapsch.net/en/KapschGroup/press/articles/Pages/ktc_120810_pr.aspx ). These chips/devices are similar to the E-Z Pass in the NorthEast U.S. They are notorious for malfunctioning... http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-05-17/toll-poaching-ezpass/55038948/1 http://www.newstribune.com/news/2012/jun/28/e-z-pass-not-always-so-easy/ http://www.wkbw.com/news/local/49044786.html http://consumerist.com/2007/07/e-zpass-charge-you-fee-when-it-malfunctions.html The difference is that these are mandatory. If they do malfunction, how would it affect an innocent individual?
Identifying people like this, and it does identify people, should be very helpful for kidnappers and terrorists. Now they'll be able to setup automated booby traps.
Users, there's trouble ahead
I said users, it is totally sad
But users, the future lies in your hand
Cause it's all about surveillance
Comrades, you don't know what I mean?
Well comrades, there's new tech on the scene
Come on comrades, stand up fight for your right
There's a need for your experience
It's fun to hack the RFID
It's fun to hack the RFID
Technology is just a matter of choice
You can microwave all their toys
It's fun to hack the RFID
It's fun to hack the RFID
They want to store everything about you
But there's plenty of things you can do
Ownage, it's the way to resist,
I said ownage, let's call it "digital fist"
Ownage, there's not much time left
For civil disobedience
Awesome, there's a lot we can share
Awesome, let's destroy the nightmare
I said awesome, a million lines of code
We just need the right compiler
It's fun to hack the RFID
It's fun to hack the RFID
They use it in passports and cellphones you buy
but fuck it, it's all a lie
RFID, you'll find it at the supermarket
No folks, zap them all by yourself
Put your pride on the shelf
Hack it, fuck it, hack it, fuck it
Hack it, fuck it, hack it, fuck it
Uncovers hidden assets, secret meetings, clandestine love affairs, business associates. With governments going bankrupt and 'Tax the Rich' being a popular solution, With Dirt and Scandal being a popular theme for Political Campaign Commercials.
NYPD to Launch Expansive For-Profit Surveillance System
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/08/09-3
Joe Normal has nothing to worry about. But Mr. Big and Rich transporting illegal waste does. Mr. Mogul with a substandard workplace does. The rich dude being undertaxed on his swimming pool does.
'Private Police Force' or Private Army? There is a meme about TPTB wanting to return to medieval times. OK, Let's explore that meme. Back in the day, the rich and powerful had their own Armies. Sometimes one Lord or Baron used his army to attack another Baron. Sometimes all the Baron's ganged up on the King.
Private Police. Private Surveillance/Data Collection/Street View. For Profit Police. For Profit Surveillance. What could go wrong. Hey, I got no money. But those guys with Mansions on the hill do.
Drones, Surveillance Cameras. So what do the poor care? For the poor, it is already a police state. For the poor, it has always been a police state. The man has been stomping them down and keeping them in place for 10 thousand years. Only the make and the style of the boot is changing.
Joe Middle class is already being milked to the maximum with speeding cameras and red light cameras.
But the rich, ah, the medium is the message, the tool betrays it's purpose.
And a culture that evolves until kidnapping is a big issue. Only a fool would think these magic chips will be now suddenly be used in a wholesome Christian manner.
So having poor people automatically disqualifies a country in the geographic west, speaking a western language, believing in a western religion, ruled by a western style democratic government, and having a population of mostly white people from being Western? Or does West mean only rich Anglo-Saxon countries? I suppose it's far easier to assert Western superiority by including only the successful countries in the definition.
Big brother's coming! They already tried two years ago to put this on all cars, then the law vanished... Now they're trying again... let's see if they'll be able to overcome privacy and "distribution" problems...
My favorite Terry Gilliam film.
There will be no additional loss of privacy, most Brazilians (like most of the world population) can already be tracked by their cellphones (Brazilians have 1.1 mobiles per person). The fact that we now can be also tracked by our cars does not make a difference.
Avoiding the implementation of technology will not guaranty privacy, legislating how it can be used will.
easier to avoid the cell phone brother: get a prepaid in someone else's name; get a phone abroad; setup call forwarding from "your" cell phone to some skype or other net service, which ends up on the prepaid. Doesn't solve the problem, but makes it harder (and way, way, costlier) for some honcho to find you in 3 mins.
I never understood the no personally identifiable information meme. Broadcasting a unique ID becomes quite personal when the data is aggregated and mined. Even if the IDs are themselves encrypted in a way that prevents unique discrimination without a key that same key or group thereof would need to be hidden in hardware in all other vechicles making compromise of all or parts of the system assured. Further since this system is being guarded by secrecy and NDAs, not subject to public scruitny of professionals its security properties will undoubtably suck.
Two observations:
Since these devices will be mandatory and everyone will have one and know about the system why would anyone assume a criminal would not immediatly destroy or disable the device upon taking a joyride in your vechicle or otherwise escaping authorities due to prior criminal activity? The standard you would be surprised at how stupid people are defense only goes soo far.
The second and more serious issue is that some people..unfortunatly way too many live in constant fear of injury or death from crazed x's and assorted stalker psychos. This system puts everyone in this category at unecessary increased risk.
Further what happens when someone decides to start attaching the receipt of an ID to an explosive trigger?
Commiting a crime in a 2010 yellow 4 door vehicle, but broadcasting a 2005 blue 2 door ID with someone else's plate number. If nobody pays close attention to anything other than "what the computer said", that'll be useful.