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Doctorow on the War on General Purpose Computing

Cory Doctorow has posted the content of his talk delivered at Google this month on what he calls the coming civil war over general purpose computing. He neatly crystallizes the problem with certain types of (widely called-for) regulation of devices and the software they run — and they all run software. The ability to stop a general purpose computer from doing nearly anything (running code without permission from the mothership, or requiring an authorities-only engine kill switch, or preventing a car from speeding away), he says boils down to a demand: "Make me a general-purpose computer that runs all programs except for one program that freaks me out." "But there's a problem. We don't know how to make a computer that can run all the programs we can compile except for whichever one pisses off a regulator, or disrupts a business model, or abets a criminal. The closest approximation we have for such a device is a computer with spyware on it— a computer that, if you do the wrong thing, can intercede and say, 'I can't let you do that, Dave.'"

360 comments

  1. It's not that hard actually. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just extend RFC 3514 to add an "Evil Bit" to all executables. If that bit is set, the program won't run.

    Problem Solved.

    1. Re:It's not that hard actually. by VernonNemitz · · Score: 2

      An alternate possibility might be a variant of spyware. It would run like a virus detector, except that the programs it prohibits come from a different list, than the lists of malware programs provided by anti-virus vendors.

    2. Re:It's not that hard actually. by mrstrano · · Score: 1

      The problem is that we have to wait until April 1st of next year to implement the technology. What do we do in the meantime?

    3. Re:It's not that hard actually. by mikael · · Score: 2

      There are really only two choices of either a whitelist or a blacklist. The tricky part is that you must also include kernel objects, dynamic loaded libraries as well as executables.

      For Linux, a whitelist could be updated as modules are installed.

      Android actually restricts execution of user installed files to one or two directories.

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  2. Businesses.... by blahplusplus · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    ... have long taken advantage of public disinterest, ignorance and general stupidity. The trend will continue. One only has to look at the clusterfuck that is copyright and patents. It's too bad we can't go back and time and kill it. It's become a monster. We alright have outright criminal laws that limit the rights of the public at large to own software. The game industry has become more and more corrupt and criminal as time has gone on and its going to get worse.

    The worst thing about it is the millions of mouthbreathing morons who just eat it right up. Diablo 3 had 6Million+ morons buy it. There are days I just want to chuck an asteroid at earth and be dumb with the millions of dumb shits who feed this in the first place.

    1. Re:Businesses.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Diablo 3 had 6Million+ morons buy it."

      No, those are 6 million people that got screwed by Blizzard's business model. Same one used by almost all game makers today. A lot of those simply expected an improved Diablo 2, they didn't care about the reviews, because they expected, expected Blizzard to deliver something just as good as the previous one, or better.

      Why I'm saying the business model is broken? Well, say you have a demo (not gameplay movie on youtube, because that's just a short movie where you just watch people doing stuff how they want it not how you want it, you watch their experience, not yours), in that demo, you don't see the network problems, the online only issues that crop up, the utterly fucked up auction house business model, and most of all it's hardly enough time to realize just how worthless it is compared to other titles, not just today, but in the previous years as well.

      So, they hate piracy? Of course they do, if those 6 million would have played the pirated edition first, they wouldn't have bought the original.

      Most games have very little value, or no replay value. Piracy hurts them, because people get a preview without wasting money on them, then uninstall them and try to forget the experience.

      Should we care? Absofuckinlutley not. They try to con people into buying their games without puting any effort into their work. Those are the kind of games where you get only a few hours of playtime, at best, or hours of pointless grinding at best. Could you name a few names? You could try, but it would be very hard, those are the kind you intentionally wait until can pick them from the bargain bin, then an hour later, sigh with frustration over the wasted money.

      Where am I know? I'm just playing a few flash games, online only, and PS3 to pass the time or socialize, the rest? Well, let's just say I gained a thorough knowledge of emulators for all kinds of platforms in the past decade.

    2. Re:Businesses.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Stop thinking YOU posses the only right answer. People perceive this as a feature. Apple keeps their devices largely free of malware. This is a benefit to them, and one of the major reasons Apple has grown so big so fast.

      Your opinion is not "right", and you are not better than everyone else. People get to make up their own minds, even if you don't like what they decide. If they're tired of the fucked up malware ridden mess that is the Windows PC world, and they value an easy to use and largely safe computing experience, then they have every right to this.

    3. Re:Businesses.... by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      Apple never needed fascism to keep their devices largely free of malware. They even have old television advertisements that brag about this very thing.

      My opinion might not be "right" but yours is certain wrong. It's contradicted by the facts.

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    4. Re:Businesses.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see you got hit with the old "-1 Disagree".

    5. Re:Businesses.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I basically agree. Why impose you own opinion on others? As an long-term Apple user who switched to Linux some years ago I have stopped giving people advise on what to buy or not to buy. If people like the walled-garden approach, fine for them -- and fine for me, too, because don't have to give free support any longer. However, I do reserve the right to ridicule Apple users whenever I wish. Have fun with your glossy "retina" displays, fixed batteries, and soldered memory! ;-)

      That's the user perspective. From a developer perspective, things look a bit different, because in comparison to 10 years ago it does feel a bit as if Apple is wanting to screw us. And you need to make money somehow,right? I still develop for the Mac, but it's likely that in the near future either Apple will have to pay me if they want a Mac version rather than vice versa. Or, more likely, the Mac and iOS versions of our programs will be more expensive than Windows and Android. Other developers should do the same, since app-store overhead, lack of portability, risk of being rejected by Apple for no reason, etc. all create additional costs and risks. No problem, since Apple users just love to pay more and have (obviously) have enough money to burn.

    6. Re:Businesses.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They try to con people into buying their games without puting any effort into their work.

      You're not a game developer, I take it?

    7. Re:Businesses.... by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I basically agree. Why impose you own opinion on others? As an long-term Apple user who switched to Linux some years ago I have stopped giving people advise on what to buy or not to buy. If people like the walled-garden approach, fine for them -- and fine for me, too, because don't have to give free support any longer. However, I do reserve the right to ridicule Apple users whenever I wish. Have fun with your glossy "retina" displays, fixed batteries, and soldered memory! ;-)

      Well, why does it have to be black and white?

      What about using the tool for the job? I recently boughtt a macbook pro. I got it because I knew I'd seen be doing a lot of photo stuff and wanted to use Aperture. I got a high end camera and am looking to do video, weddings,e tc. Final Cut Pro X is what I wanted for that...and the hardware and other software, are nice for everyday stuff on it...email, etc.

      I have a number of linux boxes at home...I set them up as home servers, and my primary desktop in the back is a gentoo box...I'm also playing around with Backtrack, to teach myself security pen testing.

      I have a win7 box (also win7 vm on the mac)...for doing some development for a job...that requires windows.

      So, every job has its tool.

      Sure there are things I don't like about the mac...so, I use a different box for that....etc.

      I mean, these days..computers are largely commodity.....the days of saving forever to only have one family computer is long gone, I have to image most people have at least 2x computers in their homes today, don't they? Or at least a computer...a tablet...a smartphone....etc.

      Tool for the job....

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    8. Re:Businesses.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's only because at the time they had such a small share of the PC market most bad guys wouldn't bother writing malware for them.

    9. Re:Businesses.... by Smallpond · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're missing the point. What happens when nobody sells general purpose computers - just special purpose appliances? Think it can't happen? Where do you go to buy electronics parts? That used to be what Radio Shack sold, now I have to buy parts mail order from Digi-key. How about ball bearings? Hardware stores used to sell the raw materials that I used for projects, now it's all special purpose parts that only work with one manufacturer's product.

    10. Re:Businesses.... by gale+the+simple · · Score: 1

      I regret that buy. I suppose to me it was a lesson of sorts. I was initially holding off, but then my friend bought it and then.. well.. it was a discovery that I tend to follow the instincts of my friends. The worst thing is, once I bought it, the other friends folded and bought it as well. I feel mildly responsible for a minor domino effect.

      Still, I know better now...

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    11. Re:Businesses.... by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And I wonder how many millions more said "Always online? Fuck that noise" and went elsewhere? I know that I can only speak for myself, my friends, and my family and we all just went over to Steam and picked up Torchlight II (Not only is it only $20 but you get Torchlight I for pre-ordering) instead of dealing with the bullshit.

      As long as we have choices? I have no problem with companies being douchebags because the douchebaggery will come around and bite them in the ass. Look at how EA is on the selling block and Activision is talking restructuring, why? Got to be too big of a douchebag and ran off their customers, that's why.

      So as long as I can buy or build my own machine that does what I want? Then go ahead and be a giant douchebag Mr Corp, I'll take my business elsewhere. The threat that Mr Doctorow is pointing out is when ALL the companies decide to be douchebags. Look at desktops, for the vast majority if Win 8 don't bomb you are gonna have the "choice" of an Apple walled garden..or a MSFT walled garden. Too many companies aren't even competing with each other anymore, as we saw in that article a couple of weeks back how Apple and MSFT have signed cross licensing agreements up the ass so they are now buddy buddy.

      It is THAT which we have to watch out for, the day when your choice is black box A or black box B which can be killed at the whim of the OEM and which is completely worthless without the OEMs blessings.

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    12. Re:Businesses.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry let me fix that for you then:

      They try to con people into buying their games without puting any apparent effort into their work.

    13. Re:Businesses.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      path of exile is what D3 should have been

      $10 to get in on the early closed beta, free to play when it goes live :)

    14. Re:Businesses.... by VortexCortex · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem is much deeper than you think, but you're on the right track. The problem is that you can't economically sell copies. It's retarding the industry. Think about Economics 101: if copies are in infinite supply then what is their price (regardless of cost to create)? Zero

      Piracy is just a symptom of an artificial scarcity racket.

      Game developers get paid only when they're making a game. The publishers must add cost to the equation (to support their own existance), and they try to get as much money as possible for doing what? Providing Copies? Well, yes, but that's a bogus reason. The only reason we really need Publishers now is that the market is fucked up -- If we could just do work and get paid, like a mechanic does, or a home builder does, then we wouldn't have to charge extra for the work once the games are finished.

      The publishers are in the way between the customers and the developers. This is why things like Kickstarter are exciting; However, once free from the Publisher's constraints the Developers are quick to adopt the artificial scarcity system only because they can, and because they can't ask enough funds up front. However, if they couldn't use artificial scarcity to make money, then you could have all games for merely their cost to create (plus a little profit to run things). If we can just get you players to fund the development of the game, we can give you the game for free when its done (since you paid us to make it already), and get more money by making more games / producing mods, etc. -- Game prices are WAY over inflated right now for the successes, but for the less stellar games the margin is so small that one misstep kills the studio. Ah, but the publishers don't care that they're gambling with the futures of the studios! There are other groupn of devs to buy up, milk, and slaughter. You keep paying the inflated prices so the Publishers only need to make a few big hits to stay in business.

      Now, to solve the artificial scarcity problem there are a few solutions, some less savoury than others:
      o Ensure artificial scarcity can not be circumvented -- This leads to DRM and closed computing with permanent spyware installed.
      o Tie the game to a service -- This way the publisher is still providing some work, running a server, but the quality of service drops as usage goes up (Protip: That's bad for sales), and leads to games being unplayable without subscription, and planned obsolescence.
      o Stop selling copies, since they're not rare at all. Instead sell our ability to make new content -- to do work -- because that's what is actually scarce. This means having a good reputation, and even releasing a few details of the game up front, like playable demos, to earn investment -- It's a DRASTIC change in the marked, but this is also the ONLY way to end piracy.

      As a race, we haven't adapted to the realities of the Information Age yet. We're still clinging to artificial scarcity and trying to sell information as if it can be a physical thing. We haven't yet adjusted to the SIMPLE idea that you only get paid when you're doing work (like everyone else does). THAT is the REAL problem, and the above solutions apply to all information markets, from Software to Music & Movies.

      If you can't sell ice to an Eskimo in the Ice Age as a valid business strategy, why would you think you could sell 1's and 0's to folks with computers in The Information Age?! As someone who benefits by holding copyrights over the works I create, I say: We must end all copyright. Once we remove the incentive of artificial scarcity I can actually get paid a fair price for doing the work you want us to do, and end the rein of the Money Leaching Middlemen (Publishers).

      Note: there's nothing wrong with charging a subscription for a game service, but forcing a subscription fee where none is required is called rent seeking.

    15. Re:Businesses.... by jonwil · · Score: 3

      I have been a longtime Diablo 2 player and fan. When Diablo 3 came out, I was disappointed that they changed the gameplay so much from Diablo 2.

      All the always online stuff, auction house etc just made it even less likely that I will buy it.

      I recon the Elder Scrolls games (Oblivion specifically) have more of the things I liked about Diablo 2 than Diablo 3 does.

    16. Re:Businesses.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You'll probably always be able to get a "proper" computer from somewhere that sells servers. Companies use servers to do all sorts of non-standard things that don't work well in walled gardens, like using custom filesystems for cloud storage, or virtualizing hundreds of systems, or building and maintaining walled gardens of their own. If someone else's walled garden isn't getting in the way, you can have an advantage over your competitors.

      Until someone starts selling Walled Garden Linux, that works just like normal Linux but is oppressive, and its associated locked-down server hardware, anyone setting up an enterprise-scale datacenter is going to be able to buy commodity general-purpose computers. And you can buy the same stuff at the same price.

      There's no legitimate reason for a normal person to buy a resistor. It could be used to commit crimes. 99% of people are happy with their resistors encapsulated in finished devices. But you can still order them from Digikey, because there's still a market for them.

    17. Re:Businesses.... by MrLizardo · · Score: 1

      Yeah, they had something even better than fascism: obscurity.

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    18. Re:Businesses.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's what the computer industry was like back in the 1980's. My last year of high-school, they were replacing the electric typewriters with LCD screen word processors. You could type a paragraph of text in, rearrange the text, then have the typewriter print out that paragraph. Cheap home computers did have word processors but they were only 40 column. The IBM PC clones allowed 80 and 132 column text.

      If you look at all the early hand-held games like Magic Merlin, Star Invaders, they were all separate games in their own console. Those got wiped out by the Gameboy.

      It flip-flops backwards and forwards. Somebody thinks they can go cheaper than a PC by cutting out legacy components. PC's can offer better value for money than dedicated systems by offering new components.

    19. Re:Businesses.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea, but Digikey will always be around, because they also supply parts to manufacturers, students and ODM houses. There has to be ODMs to make all the special appliances people love, and those ODMs need general purpose tools like programmable computers, logic analysers, prototyping components...

    20. Re:Businesses.... by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Where do you go to buy electronics parts?

      I go to Fry's. It's like an old Radio Shack+++. It still sucks when they're sold out of something but Internet shops are a good fallback.

    21. Re:Businesses.... by jythie · · Score: 1

      Pity I do not have mod points.

      People tend to underestimate what it takes not only to develop such a title, but get it to market and get through all the compromises in the process. Companies do not set out to produce a multi-million dollar bad game, the the people doing it are not idiots... but things go wrong, stuff happens, and all that work and planning can still produce a lemon.

      Things are so much easier when one is just a customer and has the luxury of sitting around complaining about how they would have done it, without having to actually worry or even think about all the details.

    22. Re:Businesses.... by jythie · · Score: 2

      There is a reason publisherless games tend to be smaller and have fan-driven niche-markets. Notice how the kickstarter game market is already starting to loose steam.. there is only so much room for fan driven content that reaches any significant scale.

      People tend to underestimate just how much a publisher does since it does not seem to benefit them. To be honest, the 'kickstarter success' cases have not been all that honest about what it took to get them there... they had massive social networks and a built in fanbase to pay for things, they were stars or got metapeers to spread the word for them.. in other words they were sufficiently well positioned to be able to their their advertizing themselves and small enough to handle their distribution themselves. For most developers though, they can not depend on being high profile enough to get customers to pay up front like that, it takes the resources of a publisher getting the word out, setting up the channels, making sure all those boring details that developers do not think are important happen smoothly. It is a lot of work,.... but beyond that it is not work that respected, it is not work that is sexy, but it can be very make or break.

      I am also not sure I would say publishers do not 'care', but they do have their own set of priorities.. specifically the food on the plates of THEIR staff. They are not charities.. they will invest time and effort in a studio they think will make a good partnership, but they are not going to drag along one they do not think will pan out well. It sucks when a studio we as customers love goes under because publishers stop helping them, but the publishers do not sit down and go 'hey, this studio is doing fine, lets destroy them!'.. they look at the studio and go 'well yeah, they have a loyal following, but not enough people want their stuff to justify the investment', they stop, then they spend those resources on other studios.

      No, it isn't perfect.. there is a lot of corruption and such in the works.. and I completely agree alternate paths need to be developed since some studios are going to be able to survive and sell their goods through other channels... but if we want to change things we need to acknowledge why things are they way they are and what benefits the current systems have, rather then dismissing them completely. Otherwise we will just make all new mistakes and a lot of studios that would have a chance will shut down because they did not take advantage of resources they could have. Purity is bad when you want to stay employed or when you have people working for you.

    23. Re:Businesses.... by jythie · · Score: 1

      Sadly a lot of people like to think that their task is the top of the pyramid, thus all uses and their tools should aspire to be like them.. anyone else must be stupid.. and by proxy, if someone seems smart and happy that might mean 'they' are right, and thus the speaker must be 'wrong and stupid', thus it becomes important to their ego to explain why the person is actually wrong and can not be as happy as they seem.. that something must be wrong with them or something.

    24. Re:Businesses.... by jythie · · Score: 1

      *shrug* the radio shack down the street from me still sells electronic parts. No problems there.

      I do not think this 'general purpose computing is going away!' hysteria is justified. All we are seeing is an adjustment of the market. In the past if you wanted XYZ covered, you had to get a general purpose computer because specialized devices were harder to come by, so people bought tools that served them poorly. Now we have more variety, tasks that never needed a general purpose computer in the first place can be completed with something more specialized, and tasks that honestly DID lend themselves to general purpose computers will still be filled by such machines.

      All we are seeing here is now people have more choice and are getting things that do the jobs they need done better, but there are plenty of jobs that still do and probably always will work best with a computer as we prefer it, and that will continue to be a rich market in the future. In fact they will probably continue to get cheaper, faster, and more flexible.

      Much of this almost feels like 'how dare people find value in something that doesn't do what I want, they should use what I use and bask in my superior usage!'

    25. Re:Businesses.... by awyeah · · Score: 1

      I go to Fry's.

      There's also Micro Center if you're not near a Fry's.

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    26. Re:Businesses.... by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 1

      Perhaps it would be apropo to point out here that games are a stupid waste of your life's time.

    27. Re:Businesses.... by tgd · · Score: 1

      However, if they couldn't use artificial scarcity to make money, then you could have all games for merely their cost to create (plus a little profit to run things).

      Unfortunately, that's an unrealistic view of the economics of the situation. If 100% of the time you could guarantee that a particular business interest will break even plus a little profit, then it would work. But you can't, so the investment in time and resources, and the associated risk, is paid for by the reward of greater profits. When you eliminate the profit motive, you eliminate the risk-taking, and very little actually gets done. Sure, you could go the Kickstarter route and say "everyone who wants this game, pony up $60 now and when we hit $20m, we'll build it." -- that does't work in the real world either. Someone has to pay the salary of the people building it during that time, and the buyers are now shouldering the risk that they hit $20m in funding and never deliver the game. That's not a workable model, either.

    28. Re:Businesses.... by DinDaddy · · Score: 1

      Notice how the kickstarter game market is already starting to loose steam.

      I see what you did there.

    29. Re:Businesses.... by Fned · · Score: 1

      Someone has to pay the salary of the people building it during that time,

      Yes, and that someone is the people buying previous games from the publisher. That's where the money comes from: people pretending that copies have value, so that the delusional fuckers controlling the purse strings will pony up some portion of the take to make the next game.

      Right now, the prices we pay for games shoulder every goddamn dollar of risk on the next one. Sometimes within the company itself, or, if the company fails, through layers of VCs who made their money on successful titles that we paid for. Ultimately, we're paying for every game to be made, already.

      Yes, people will need to understand that they will shoulder that risk directly, instead of having it obfuscated and tacked on to the list price of whatever popular AAA title. But all that will change is the perspective, and the cut that the publishers were taking. The actual process of paying people to make games, and the ultimate costs to the end user of failures of that process, will remain effectively unchanged.

    30. Re:Businesses.... by tlambert · · Score: 1

      Assuming you're in Silicon Valley... Jameco Electronics. Or NXP Semiconductors. Or Micrel. Or Bisco Industries. Or Beyond Components (no idea why the hell they have a store in Payson, Utah). Or Mouser Electronics.

      Or if you live in Japan, you want Yodobashi, Bic, or Labi. Akihabara works if you are a tourist, since they have duty free shops, but you'll want to stay away from the main drag unless you are a cosplay otaku.

  3. And that doesn't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That doesn't work because it has to recognize that if you write an emulator, and program that emulator to perform the "running code without permission", then it will fail.

    1. Re:And that doesn't work by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      It works if the hardware isn't commodity. You could build an emulator for a self-driving car computer, or an artificial limb controller. But without the actual car or limb mechanics, it isn't going to do you a lot of good.

  4. Oh shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm a woman who uses a PC and a Christian.

    So, I now have to deal with a war on PCs, a Republican War on Women, and then there's the War on Christianity.

    What is a girl to do!?

    1. Re:Oh shit! by fustakrakich · · Score: 0

      So, I now have to deal with a war on PCs... What is a girl to do!?

      Buy a Mac... Duh!

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    2. Re:Oh shit! by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm a woman who uses a PC and a Christian.

      I figure I know what you do with the PC. What's the Christian for?

    3. Re:Oh shit! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 5, Funny

      You can stop using the Christian. Stopping being a woman is difficult and PCs are too much useful to get rid of, but at least you'll get rid of a third of your problems.

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    4. Re:Oh shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, that escalated quickly!

    5. Re:Oh shit! by Type44Q · · Score: 2

      I'm a woman who uses a PC and a Christian.

      I figure I know what you do with the PC. What's the Christian for?

      To help her with her grammar (I know, right?!).

    6. Re:Oh shit! by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 1

      I'm a woman who uses a PC and a Christian.

      I figure I know what you do with the PC. What's the Christian for?

      To help her with her grammar (I know, right?!).

      Then she doesn't seem to have been able to find him in time to check her posting. It might be that the War on Christianity has been more successful than we thought; she better check to see if he's OK.

      Maybe he's a funny Christian. I found her post humorous.

    7. Re:Oh shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm waiting for the comments to evolve into those referring to Hitler and the Nazis.

    8. Re:Oh shit! by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Then she doesn't seem to have been able to find him in time to check her posting.

      My [implied] joke was that her grammar would've been even worse had she not had the help of "her Christian."

    9. Re:Oh shit! by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 5, Funny

      Christians have been used as lion food since the heyday of the Roman Empire.

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    10. Re:Oh shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good, we should start using them as lion food again, and as dog food in general.

    11. Re:Oh shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You first

    12. Re:Oh shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lion is OS X 10.7... So Christians and Computers are tied together with something as basic as food chains.

    13. Re:Oh shit! by CrashandDie · · Score: 1

      Christians have been used as lion food since the heyday of the Roman Empire.

      Wouldn't that have made it the "Humanday for Lions", rather than hayday for Romans?

    14. Re:Oh shit! by sgrover · · Score: 1

      I fail to see why stating in a public forum that being a woman is a problem is pertinent to anything. Regardless of the attempt at humor. (I contend that being a man is just as much of a problem, so the two points cancel each other out, and we are left with "being is a problem"...) But this is slashdot, so mod me down and/or ignore my observation.

    15. Re:Oh shit! by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The fact is that the world is divided between users of the Macintosh computer and users of MS-DOS compatible computers. I am firmly of the opinion that the Macintosh is Catholic and that DOS is Protestant. Indeed, the Macintosh is counter-reformist and has been influenced by the ratio studiorum of the Jesuits. It is cheerful, friendly, conciliatory; it tells the faithful how they must proceed step by step to reach -- if not the kingdom of Heaven -- the moment in which their document is printed. It is catechistic: The essence of revelation is dealt with via simple formulae and sumptuous icons. Everyone has a right to salvation.
      DOS is Protestant, or even Calvinistic. It allows free interpretation of scripture, demands difficult personal decisions, imposes a subtle hermeneutics upon the user, and takes for granted the idea that not all can achieve salvation. To make the system work you need to interpret the program yourself: Far away from the baroque community of revelers, the user is closed within the loneliness of his own inner torment.
      You may object that, with the passage to Windows, the DOS universe has come to resemble more closely the counter-reformist tolerance of the Macintosh. It's true: Windows represents an Anglican-style schism, big ceremonies in the cathedral, but there is always the possibility of a return to DOS to change things in accordance with bizarre decisions: When it comes down to it, you can decide to ordain women and gays if you want to.

      Umberto Eco, 1994

    16. Re:Oh shit! by KramberryKoncerto · · Score: 1

      Because GP proclaimed to have problems due to being a woman.

    17. Re:Oh shit! by KramberryKoncerto · · Score: 1

      Actually, I should have said GGP, which is GGGP to this post.

    18. Re:Oh shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      STFU all of you.

      I'm trying to post here!

    19. Re:Oh shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was made up in the 16th century.

    20. Re:Oh shit! by fisted · · Score: 2

      Will you guys be able to get any sleep tonight, after seeing (and replying to) what appears to be an actual woman on /.?

    21. Re:Oh shit! by Merls+the+Sneaky · · Score: 0

      Why do lions lick their ass holes?

      To get rid of the taste of intolerant christians.

    22. Re:Oh shit! by OneAhead · · Score: 2

      The mods who have sense of humor seem to be out of town today.

    23. Re:Oh shit! by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Will you guys be able to get any sleep tonight, after seeing (and replying to) what appears to be an actual woman on /.?

      The real question is, do we fantasize all night long, due to actually having replied to a female... or do we have nightmares, due to the fact that (this being /.), "she" is in all likelihood a "he?!" :p

    24. Re:Oh shit! by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      So Linux is what, Judaism?

      Clearly, Amiga is Scientology, BTW. Or maybe Heaven's Gate or People's Temple.

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    25. Re:Oh shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Prepare for War. You have an advantage here. Call upon the Father.

    26. Re:Oh shit! by skinklizard · · Score: 1

      Linux is atheism of course!!! after the the dust settles what do you think the intelligent people will use?

    27. Re:Oh shit! by EvilIdler · · Score: 1

      No, Linux is Santeria. Just look at what it takes to get sound working when PulseAudio throws a fit ;)

    28. Re:Oh shit! by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      Really? That's quite interesting actually.

      Who came up with that, and was it just accidental myth-building, or part of a smear campaign?

      (For an example of historical smear campaigns, one need look no further than the myth of a flat earth myth*. Mainstream Christianity at no point believed in a flat earth -- the myth belief was invented as a smear campaign in the 19th century....)

      * That's intentional -- the two myths are not a repetition, as I'm saying "the myth that there ever was such a myth".

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    29. Re:Oh shit! by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      Let's see, what are its sacraments?

      The weekly kernel rebuild.
      The daily Reading of The Fucking Manual

      Its geases?

      GPL V-3.0

      Its saints, avatars and demigods?

      Torvalds, Raymond, and Stallman.

      No religion I can think of fits those parameters. It must be a passing fad.

    30. Re:Oh shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact is that the world is divided between users of the Macintosh computer and users of MS-DOS compatible computers. I am firmly of the opinion that the Macintosh is Catholic and that DOS is Protestant

      I guess Linux is Pagan..
      Well they all said I was a Witch.

    31. Re:Oh shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So Linux is what, Judaism?

      I could have sworn I've read an essay by Umberto Eco regarding the GPL/FSF as an evil communist plot, but I can't find it anywhere online. I'll have to look in my book of Eco's essays when I get home.

    32. Re:Oh shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Christians have many uses: They are excellent to bug your neighbors by knocking on their doors on sundays at 8:00 AM, they scare other religious people (specially muslims), you can shatter their flimsy conceptions about the natural world and have a hell of a time watching them trying to reconcile and rationalize 200 years of modern science against their ridiculous ideas.

    33. Re:Oh shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Straight to bashing Republicans. How predictable.

    34. Re:Oh shit! by PhxBlue · · Score: 1

      So, I now have to deal with a war on PCs, a Republican War on Women, and then there's the War on Christianity.

      One of these things is not like the others ...

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    35. Re:Oh shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pray.

    36. Re:Oh shit! by Narnie · · Score: 1

      PulseAudio is just an ALSA cult that thinks more that one application should be able to send sound to the audio devices. And for those unaware of the the history, ALSA was the result of a schism where OSS committed sacrilege against the holy gospel and forsake free open source, thus the believers were left to roll their own audio.

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  5. all in all by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The article in full is a very interesting argument for why we will all regret our eagerness to embrace the "walled garden".

    Has everyone forgotten the days when your computer actually belonged to you? The days before computing was more than just shopping?

    Do you own your PS3 or your Xbox 360?

    How did we reach a point where we will so willingly turn over our individual agency to Apple, Microsoft, Sony? Or AT&T and Comcast? Who here believes that those companies can be trusted to look out for our best interests?

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    1. Re:all in all by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Funny

      How did we reach a point where we will so willingly turn over our individual agency to Apple, Microsoft, Sony? Or AT&T and Comcast?

      First the earth cooled... It was all downhill from there.

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    2. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, going back 30+ years in the industry, it's hard for me to remember what it was like not having to worry about malware or intrusion.

    3. Re:all in all by grumbel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Has everyone forgotten the days when your computer actually belonged to you?

      To make a counterpoint: We need a certain level of restrictions so that the computer actually does what I want instead of does what the application wants. Current OSs offer very little in the way of actually restricting applications. If you execute an application from a third party, it can do quite literally what it wants. Even Open Source doesn't help much as you have no time to audit it all. At best it might not have root rights, but that still doesn't stop it from searching through your personal photo collection, your credit card info, your mail and all that stuff. In contrast you have Apples AppStore, it's a walled garden with all it's problems, but it also comes with a sandbox. If you execute an App from the AppStore it can't do anything to your system, as it's stuck in it's little box. It can't get your photos, credit card info or anything like that unless you explicitly allow it. The AppStore thus shift control away from the application and back to the user where it belongs.

    4. Re:all in all by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The Raspberry Pi has made me realize that computers have just gotten too cheap and ubiquitous for us to ever get to a situation where we can't easily and cheaply a general purpose computer. Sure maybe our phones tablets and even desktops will be severely locked down to the point where only approved software can be run. But that doesn't mean we wont have access to general purpose computers. For 90% of my tasks I don't need to have a general purpose computer and if it offered me the ability to not worry about viruses, malware, or even needing to manually update software, then I would use that computer and have a second general purpose computer for the remaining tasks.

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    5. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      check out SELinux, that does what you want. Or use the Android way and just create a user per application.

    6. Re:all in all by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      And the walled garden is fine for certain models. But when I consider what I've been doing lately, joining queries from heterogeneous data sources, there is no way this can work in a walled garden, where the limits are not so much on the questions I can ask but rather on the kind of data I can bring in to inform the question.

      And for every walled garden we see, we see others bringing in virtualization services to try to capture the server and database markets, which are inherently general purpose in nature.

      That and the fact that if the big guys did manage to wall in the PC completely, there's nothing stopping smaller companies from offering general purpose platforms. The Raspberry Pi and Beagleboard, and many other Linux-based computers show this can be done at the low end, and there's certainly nothing to stop scaling up from there. Most certainly if the next generation (or the generation after that) of PCs are completely locked down, there are and will be alternatives.

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    7. Re:all in all by next_ghost · · Score: 5, Informative

      Current OSs offer very little in the way of actually restricting applications. If you execute an application from a third party, it can do quite literally what it wants. Even Open Source doesn't help much as you have no time to audit it all. At best it might not have root rights, but that still doesn't stop it from searching through your personal photo collection, your credit card info, your mail and all that stuff.

      Ever heard of AppArmor? It comes with a nice little tool which lets you interactively decide which files and directories will the software be allowed to access.

    8. Re:all in all by Nerdfest · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A walled garden does not preclude allowing the ability to turn it off. Apple (and soon, Microsoft) is not limiting you to the walled garden out of the goodness of their hart. It is pure greed. They could quite easily add an 'opt out' and let people install outside software at their own risk.

    9. Re:all in all by SuricouRaven · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because the majority of people are not nerds. They don't know a single command of any programming language, and barely understand the idea of a heirachial filesystem. When the computer doesn't do what they expect, they have no idea how to fix it. They are willing to give up control in return for simplicity - something that, in the words of Apple's marketing department, 'just works.' They are happy to let the manufacturer of their phone and network operator run all the technical stuff because they have no idea what HSPDA, 3G, GSM, TDM and GPRS mean and they don't want to have to know. They just want to be able to make phone calls and use a few simple apps. We've gone past the time when technology was inherently cool, and entered the time when it is just a tool - and the non-nerd wishes to use the tool to achieve an end, not learn how the tool works.

    10. Re:all in all by kwerle · · Score: 0

      How did we reach a point where we will so willingly turn over our individual agency to Apple, Microsoft, Sony? Or AT&T and Comcast? Who here believes that those companies can be trusted to look out for our best interests?

      Nobody* gives a shit about GPC. They don't even want "computers". They want a way to browse the web, play games, do email, and run a few productivity apps - preferably without having to worry about viruses, etc. Oh, and do "phone stuff". In short, consumers are consumers. It's the apps, stupid. Why would you be surprised that the computer Uncle Bob wants to use doesn't look like the one you do?

      Those of us who want/need to do software have a wide variety of CPUs and hardware (and software) to do it with. I don't know that it's more or less choice than ever before, but certainly we have lots of options.

      * You and your /. buddies don't count.

    11. Re:all in all by dpilot · · Score: 2

      Makes you wonder when the first publicly visible lethal abuse of the walled garden concept will happen, who will do it, what it will be, and what will be the logic in the case, and how the garden owners will weasel out of it. Makes you wonder even more about the non-visible case(s).

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    12. Re:all in all by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Walled gardens, meh, everyone of the died given time eg Prodigy, Compuserver, Atari. As soon as customers forget, just like toxic weeds they re-appear and attempt to take over the garden again. Every time they do they end up failing as certain people become more aware of them. Basically those walled gardens become an anti-competitive corporate applied tax sucking up all the profits forcing all those outside to continually strive to break the monopoly which they inevitably do. The harder corporate asshate lawyers and accountants squeeze the sooner the break up.

      It is impossible now especially when you take into account the global basis of the internet, the harder Apple and M$ try to squeeze the sooner other countries will buck the pressure, fine the crap out of them and force the opening of the market. Other countries don't make money out of the monopolists just a hand full a tax avoidance tax havens do, basically they are becoming dangerous sources of corruption of government and a threat to democracy.

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    13. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the majority of people are not nerds.

      Nothing about making a computer suitable for "non-nerds" necessitates

      How did we reach a point where we will so willingly turn over our individual agency to Apple, Microsoft, Sony? Or AT&T and Comcast?

      How is your diatribe in any way relevant to the question asked?

    14. Re:all in all by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      the Raspberry Pi has made me realize that computers have just gotten too cheap and ubiquitous for us to ever get to a situation where we can't easily and cheaply a general purpose computer.

      Will you feel the same when the most powerful Intel processors lock out your choice of OS?

      I suppose if you don't mind using underpowered hardware, and being very limited in your choices of peripherals and software, then you're OK, but that's not the way things have been. Until now, those of us who want a general purpose machine with which to do things (instead of to buy things) have been able to choose among the most powerful personal computing hardware.

      No, the Raspberry Pi is not my idea of a general purpose computer. It's great to use in limited applications, but not as an all-around workhorse.

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    15. Re:all in all by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

      Because the majority of people are not nerds.

      So, because "the majority of people are not nerds" means that nerds must not be allowed to exist?

      Your argument sounds suspiciously like, "If you're so smart, why ain't you rich?"

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    16. Re:all in all by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      At best it might not have root rights, but that still doesn't stop it from searching through your personal photo collection, your credit card info, your mail and all that stuff. In contrast you have Apples AppStore, it's a walled garden with all it's problems, but it also comes with a sandbox. If you execute an App from the AppStore it can't do anything to your system, as it's stuck in it's little box. It can't get your photos, credit card info or anything like that unless you explicitly allow it.

      I'm not sure I understand your argument here. You've already signed away all the rights to your personal information to the operating system, so why are you thrilled that you are given the impression that you can opt out at the app level?

      On my general purpose, non-walled garden machine, I can just block an apps access to the Internet, so no matter what the app does, it's not getting my photos, credit card info, etc.

      The AppStore thus shift control away from the application and back to the user where it belongs.

      The AppStore makes you think you have control, while keeping all the control for itself. If you don't have control, you don't have choice. One of the things a walled garden does not allow is you protecting yourself.

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    17. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As usual, the argument then becomes "only dissidents will want or keep general purpose computers" and "only bad people care about their privacy." Sunrise, sunset.

    18. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's an excellent talk. Go watch it now!

    19. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Do you own your PS3 or your Xbox 360?

      I have a dozen general purpose computers laying around, and IMO it's great that I can buy $600 of video game hardware for $300, and I can buy a $800 cellphone for $200. Yes, there are use-restrictions, subsidies, and so on, but the informed consumer can come out on the winning side of these transactions.

    20. Re:all in all by sgt_doom · · Score: 1

      Has everyone forgotten the days when your computer actually belonged to you?

      Sorry, chum, but most Zombie Americans have forgotten even the value or importance of knowing who owns anything: nobody knows who owns the major banks, oil companies, telecoms, etc., etc., ad nauseum.

      The reason FYI (just in case you are interested?) is that viewing certain shows from a young age (such as Peter G. Peterson's Sesame Street) induces the same brainwave pattern as apathy and obeisance to authority, as does years of viewing TV on a regular basis. Hence, people from ages 10 to 80 are equally zombie-like and apathetic stooges.

      And it's oh so sad.....

    21. Re:all in all by amorsen · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's a bit funny that you use Raspberry Pi as an example. After all, it has code to prevent certain parts of its firmware from running unless unlocked by a license key. You cannot even boot the thing without loading proprietary firmware doing who-knows-what.

      (Disclaimer, I own one)

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    22. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Not the goodness of their hart, but for dough, a deer, a female deer.

    23. Re:all in all by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nobody* gives a shit about GPC

      "Why can't I watch this DVD on my tablet when I lack an Internet connection?"

      "...because your tablet has a walled garden and they want to force you to buy the movie again. We warned you about that before you bought that thing."

      "Damnit make it work now!"

      People most certainly do care about general purpose computing; they just do not know what that terms means or that they actually want it. Apple is not marketing the iPad as, "Do everything you want that we approve of! The magic is in us controlling your computer use!" because that is not what people want to buy. Look at the outcry when Amazon deleted 1984 from the Kindle; people expect their computers to do what they want and not just what Amazon, Apple, Google, Microsoft, the MPAA, the Chinese government, etc. approve of.

      On a subconscious level, people know that a PS3 is somehow different from their PC. They cannot articulate what that difference is, but they refuse to call the PS3 a "computer" -- even when they see a PS3 with a keyboard and mouse, running Firefox in YDL. People absolutely do care; they just lack the sophistication needed to express that, to identify when someone is tricking them into giving up their freedom, or to know how to protect themselves from such attacks.

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    24. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't say that the raspberry pi was a great general purpose computer. But rather thar the existence of such a device verifies to me that computer's arevheap enough and well understood enough that while some companies may not want to sell general general purpose computers there will always be someone to fill that market niche. The Raspberry Pi has its own set of encumberences anddigital locks but those choices were madero meet a certain price point and could have been avoided if the goal was complete openness.

    25. Re:all in all by chrismcb · · Score: 1

      It is pure greed.

      Yes, but not in the way you are thinking. Apple and Microsoft are tired of paying for customer support to help people fix broken software. Apple and Microsoft are tired of hearing about people complain about how stuff doesn't work. The walled garden, where they can help control what software runs, helps alleviate the problem. People in general just want stuff that works.

    26. Re:all in all by Microlith · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yup. Exploiting the ignorance of others is the best way to take power for oneself. Just look at the modern US political process. Exact same thing, and just as much if not a bigger disaster.

    27. Re:all in all by Microlith · · Score: 2

      That does not negate his more valid point, that if you could turn it off there would be little fuss. They don't because the walled garden bolsters their bottom line and gives them more power over both users and developers.

    28. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that's a good way of putting it.

    29. Re:all in all by epp_b · · Score: 1

      ...where we can't easily and cheaply a general purpose computer.

      I think you just accidentally a word.

    30. Re:all in all by Twinbee · · Score: 1

      I do programming, video creation, art, music composition and other things, yet I'm still bitter that (say) setting up a Belkin router (even in Win 7) is as tedious as it is, and how messy the state of (say) the video codec world is.

      I shouldn't have to worry about these things, they should indeed, 'just work', leaving me to get on with the creativity. The hierarchical filesystem is a poor man's metadata/database filesystem, which we should all be using instead. Haven't even heard of HSPDA or TDM.

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    31. Re:all in all by the_humeister · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because the majority of people are not nerds.

      So, because "the majority of people are not nerds" means that nerds must not be allowed to exist?

      Wow, way to misinterpret something and bring up a straw man. Nowhere does he state that "nerds must not be allowed to exist." He's stating that the device demographic has changed. These things used to be by nerds for nerds. Now they're by business managers/bean counters/nerds for decidedly non-nerds.

      Nerds, however can still get their fix because they're nerds (eg Cyanogenmod for phones, Raapberry Pi, any x86 computer, etc.)

      *posting from my Samsung Galaxy S II running Debian.

    32. Re:all in all by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Will you feel the same when the most powerful Intel processors lock out your choice of OS?

      In a world where that happens, either that OS will be easy to work with, or people will move to AMD's most powerful processors.....

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    33. Re:all in all by Microlith · · Score: 1

      Indeed, they want TV 2.0. And Apple/Microsoft are more than happy to give it to them. The RIAA and MPAA are cheering them on.

      Those of us who want/need to do software have a wide variety of CPUs and hardware (and software) to do it with. I don't know that it's more or less choice than ever before, but certainly we have lots of options.

      We do now. But with the push towards more and more walled gardens I can see what we want falling by the wayside. It's already being attacked.

    34. Re:all in all by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      I think the issue is that the number of computer users, and the number of users that are concerned with being in control of their computer has become a smaller percentage of the overall user base. Media cartels and governments favor walled gardens, and the value in pleasing them has risen. So, we've got more users that don't care, and more pressure from important partners to take away user freedom. The angry nerds are no longer a real concern for these companies.

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    35. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Will you feel the same when the most powerful Intel processors lock out your choice of OS?

      You know what, though? Modern languages and implementation methods are so poor in performance, that just two things would make life just fine: a slower CPU, and writing code more to the metal.

      I have software written for "the old days" and it *screams* on modern hardware. Then I open modern competition... and wait... and wait....

      All someone really needs to do is build a half-decent CPU, pop an OS on there that isn't from some company that's trying to own you, and we'd have a good general purpose computing platform. Maybe it'd be best to keep it off the net -- but you know what? Maybe that's not such a bad thing. The net has, IMHO, become a hive of scum and villainy. Surf using an "appliance", compute using the computer over on the desk that has no connection other than power, monitor, keyboard and your preferred pointing device.

      If it isn't on a network, and you don't stick infected shit in it, hows it going to get infected?

    36. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This is commonly repeated yet utterly wrong. The seemingly paradoxical truth is that people don't care about GPC but desperately need it. GPC is where their apps come from, not just because it enables development but also provides a large pool of programmers. Without widely available GPC you don't have the cool iPhone everyone wants, you have the original iPhone that you wanted let you surf some of the web, useful, but not useful in the same way. You might get serious apps by serious app developers and large games by large developers but that'd be it. Your pet app that does just that little niche thing you really want? Gone, not going to happen without that part time developer who shares your niche.

    37. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try running the application in a VM. You can define the limits of what computer resources the VM can access.

    38. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't buy an $800 cellphone for $200, if you believe you can you are misinformed. Just because your cost is vaguely hidden doesn't negate it.

    39. Re:all in all by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not pure ignorance though. I'm perfectly happy to run a walled garden 99% of the time. I'm happy to sacrifice freedom for security. Why? Because sometimes sacrificing one freedom provides you more freedom somewhere else.

      Let's say for instance that you give up the freedom to drive whatever speed you want wherever you want. That's a freedom we've sacrificed--we have police who enforce rules. It's now a walled garden. But in exchange for that loss of freedom I now am far less likely to crash, I'm less likely to get hit by a car, if someone does hit me my insurance is affordable and can restore my car to a new state and I'm more likely to drive since safety is greater.

      My goal is to simply get from point A to B safely and as quickly as reasonable. Ultimately the structure and rules increase traffic volume and speed so that the commons don't slow to a crawl from frequent crashes and poor right of way.

      Similarly if I just want my applications to work then a lightly walled garden that ensures spyware isn't running in the background actually reduces the odds that my privacy will be compromised. Sure it might also provide a backdoor to the government if they get a warrant but that unlikely scenario is far less dangerous in my opinion to identity fraud resulting in huge financial loss and credit damage. The government can read my email I really don't care. Knock themselves out--they'll be bored to death. Not sure why they would want to. But I would be exceedingly worried if someone got my bank account info.

    40. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I would be exceedingly worried if someone got my bank account info.

      You can rest assured that is just the tip of the information iceberg they have harvested about you in the last 10 years.

      Why do you think the government have the greatest datacenters? And nobody is going to read your email, they'll just run it through their datawarehouse and correlate it with everything else they got on you.

    41. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You will only have reasonably priced general purpose computers if enough other people wants them too. Right now, that works because general purpose computers are considered standard office equipment. Would you want to have the raspberry as your main computer?

      If all you want is a system without viruses or malware though, it is easy. No walled garden needed, Linux fits that bill nicely. It is only commercial os vendors that make vulnerable systems...

    42. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, because "the majority of people are not nerds" means that nerds must not be allowed to exist?

      You forgot to tick the "post as Anonymous Troll" box.

    43. Re:all in all by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      The meaning of HSPDA or TDM isn't important, suffice to say the are some of the technologies involved in making cellphones work that you, as a user, don't need to worry about.

      The mess of video codec is really down to three causes: A rapid pace of advancement that leads to shifts in dominant codec every few years, issues of patents, and some companies being unwilling to support any codec that competes with their own. In the years I've dabbled in media I've seen many come and go. MPEG1 first, then realmedia came along for internet - the first codec to cram watchable video streams down dialup. Windows media video sucked in it's first incarnation, for although the codec was decent the implimentation was appalling, requiring the use of the supported-by-nothing WMV container and with no ability to transcode. With DVDs came the rise of MPEG2 and, at around the same time, divx ;-) - the latter actually a hacked form of Microsoft's codec that allowed it to be used without also requiring the barely-useable WMV container. Divx ;-) gave way to the non-microsoft-based Divx, which ruled for a time - certainly among pirates - as *the* codec for dodgy internet video, while Flash video was the only choice for streaming because Flash was the only way to have video on websites. Divx forked into xvid over ideological differences, and stayed on top until h264 came along - once that took off, it spread with amazing speed simply due to far superior performance. And now we have the patent conflict going on. All that in the last fifteen years or so, no wonder we've had to keep installing new codecs!

      Can't install a new codec so easily on embedded devices though. The future may involve a lot more people transcoding videos into slightly-obsolete codecs so their tablets or televisions can play them.

    44. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the walled garden in about money, pure and simple. It allows them to take a percentage of all sales. They don't care about customer support at all - most of Microsoft's software is supported by the vendor and not direct by them after all.

    45. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No-one is banning nerds here, you guys just won't be having a free ride from now on. Before, unlocked hackable hardware and software was cheap, because general purpose stuff sold to everyone was that, even if they didn't actually need it. So you could go buy a cheap PC, slap Linux on it, and call it a day. Now that's not going to be cheap anymore, because you'll have to go and find someone who makes a device for your needs. But such a device can still be made, and you can still buy it if you have the $$$.

    46. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you answer why you nerds believe that everything must be made for you, and you rage impotently all over this poor internet when someone dares to create something that doesn't fulfill your every need?

      I assume it's the arrogance, but it might be something else so I'm giving you a chance to explain.

    47. Re:all in all by Linsaran · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Your argument is slightly flawed, roads are a public resource, you can only fit so many cars on any given road, and if those cars don't behave in a way which is predictable to other drivers then travel time would be erratic, and the danger of crashes is increased. Further without rules and an enforcement process if someone felt like being an asshole, they could simply park their 18 wheeler across the street and stop anyone from going anywhere. We have traffic laws because the road is a public place and without agreeing on some common rules they would be unusable. You are not giving up your freedom to speed, you are agreeing that if you want to use public roads you won't speed on them. If you however had a private road you could drive your car anyway you like on it, at any speed and any amount of recklessness.

      If I was using a public computer with agreed upon rules about how the machine would be used to ensure the safety and security of others I would have no problem operating within a walled garden, it's not my hardware, and if I want to use it the owner is perfectly justified at setting rules on how it is to be used. However if it's MY hardware, why does some other company have the right to decide what I can and can't do with my hardware. Now if I was either too lazy or unskilled to properly secure my hardware I have the right to allow some other company to do it for me by creating a 'walled garden' as it were, but I should always have the right to say screw you I want to run this program anyways, acknowledging the risks involved. If I want to let someone else handle the responsibility of securing my device that's fine, but I shouldn't HAVE to let someone else handle that responsibility.

      This would largely be the same as the owner of a private road hiring a private security company to police their road and make sure that drivers on it obey whatever rules you institute, but you always have the right to fire that security company.

      Instead what we have is a situation where I can buy a private road (piece of computing hardware), and the company I buy it from says, "ok you can only use your road (computer) to do these certain things we have already decided are allowable, otherwise we'll stop you from doing it"

      Screw that, if I want to drive around like a mad man (expose my personal information to potential identity thieves), flip my car (have my banking info exposed to a Nigerian prince), and leave be hind some flaming wreckage (have all my money stolen) on my own private road (personal computing hardware) I should be allowed to.

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    48. Re:all in all by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      In contrast you have Apples AppStore, it's a walled garden with all it's problems, but it also comes with a sandbox.

      Sandboxing isn't an ability inherent in the "walled-garden" model of AppStores. For example, Android is an "unwalled" garden (you can install apps from any source), but still sandboxes them. You shouldn't have to be restricted to vendor-blessed apps just to get sandboxing.

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    49. Re:all in all by fermion · · Score: 1
      Have you ever owned a console or a game. Maybe the original Atari where one could do quite bait. But own a game? If the ROM was damaged ther was no breplacement for cost of parts. You boughts a new one at full cost or a used on. The reason you bought a console was because it was cheaper due to future profits from the ecosystem. If we have anything to blame for current walled garden, it is the console.

      There is a small group of people who want to control their computer and software. Those people have a computer and run OSS and hopefully contribute if only in a small way. The rest just want to get email and look at pictures of cats on ihaschhezburger. the question is how to sell this really overly complex device to them.

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    50. Re:all in all by Twinbee · · Score: 1

      Just found out yesterday how to save the most popular video format - H.264 - from my video editor - Sony Vegas Movie Studio. It was unexpectedly tricky.

      First off, I look for H.264 codec. Of course, H.264 is just the spec. So eventually, I find x264 - it's free and open source, but alas CLI only (I just want to save from Vegas). So after an hour, I finally hit upon the VFW (Video for Windows) term, and find the "x264vfw" codec, which indeed does the trick, and saves H.264 under the AVI wrapper. However, some advise against that and instead recommend a frame buffer/server which is a little more tricky to use. At least then though, you can save as a 'proper' ".mp4" file or similar.

      So to save a video in H.264, we have to know tons of jargon: x264, h264, AVI, MP4, VFW, MP3, WAV. And that x264 is just one of a number of implementations of the h.264 codec (QuickTime, Main Concept, Sony etc. do their own, thanks I'll pass). Not to mention the billion and one options the x264 spec expects the user to understand. I know some are necessary, but they should make more of an effort to simplify things (pretty sure it's laziness on their part).

      Maybe H.265 will streamline things!

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    51. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course not. But the $800/$200 cellphone costs no more than the $200/$0 cellphone. The high-end users are being subsidized by the cheapskates. Good deal for us.

    52. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yup, you're right, they are tired.

      need new blood.

      jr

    53. Re:all in all by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Give up all your privacy all you want. Leave mine alone!

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    54. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not concerned if the government can read my email, either. However, I am very concerned if the government can read the email of the opposition parties.

    55. Re:all in all by Microlith · · Score: 1

      I'm happy to sacrifice freedom for security.

      Do you vote the same way?

      Because sometimes sacrificing one freedom provides you more freedom somewhere else.

      Or you just end up less free and no more secure.

      insert invalid car analogy

      The government can read my email I really don't care. Knock themselves out--they'll be bored to death.

      Aha, so you are in fact a "if you aren't guilty of something what do you have to hide" type of person. Good to know.

    56. Re:all in all by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      So? not having spyware that remote controls allowed applications won't stop such people from using their devices the way they want.

    57. Re:all in all by epyT-R · · Score: 2

      What the hell? Free ride? I paid for my hardware, thank you.

      Then you can say goodbye to innovation.. programming will become something that only large corporations and government can afford to do. That's the day when computers truly cross the line from empowering users to enslaving them. Those geeks and nerds balance the push from vendor trolls who build businesses on false scarcity by coding alternative software that is user empowering. Trust me, you want this kind of competition because it's the only thing keeping vendors even remotely honest.

    58. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Has everyone forgotten the days when your computer actually belonged to you?

      I remember those years with fondness. To use the computer you generally had to learn how to develop programmes often in BASIC or assembly language or even machine code if an assembler was not available. The computers were interesting, Coca-Cola was the real thing and contained more caffeine than sugar, the music was popular definitely better, and I could eat like a lumber jack without gaining any weight or girth. Oh the good old days of computing. ;)

    59. Re:all in all by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      It's not just about the nerds. It's the users too. These nerds write alternative software that forces the big vendors into offering at least some value in their products. You're welcome to throw around as many 'neckbeard' jokes as you want, but many of these guys write code that ends up in software that average users want to run. Locking the devices down prevents this development from happening. This is why general purpose computing is crucial to continued innovation.

    60. Re:all in all by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      So you'll sacrifice your privacy and rights for fake security? Lovely. Leave mine alone, thank you very much. Oh, and your car analogy sucks. Programming software and the ability to choose what software runs on your device is NOT the same thing, for one, and secondly, insurance and cops do NOT keep you safer on the road. The self preservation instinct in the drivers does, along with skill, vehicle condition, and situational awareness.

      Ensures no spyware? So, you won't tolerate spyware unless it's corporate or government sanctioned? ..because that's what these walled gardens are. Hey buddy, reality check: if you're running spyware, you're compromised! It really doesn't matter who put it there because the reason is obvious. They want to monitor and/or control your use behavior.

    61. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do programming, video creation, art, music composition and other things, yet I'm still bitter that (say) setting up a Belkin router (even in Win 7) is as tedious as it is...I shouldn't have to worry about these things, they should indeed, 'just work', leaving me to get on with the creativity.

      Configuring a consumer-grade router is practically too easy. All you need do is plug in the router, set your computer to a static IP address, typically 192.168.1.X or some documented variant thereof, type the default administrator password which is documented, selecting DHCP and typing the address range, if these values are not already pre-configured, set a WPA/WPA2 password if desired to encrypt traffic if the router serves as an WiFi access point, and finally changing the default administrator password. All in all, a mere 5 minutes of time for even the most technically illiterate.

    62. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Even Open Source doesn't help much as you have no time to audit it all. At best it might not have root rights, but that still doesn't stop it from searching through your personal photo collection, your credit card info, your mail and all that stuff.

      This is a gross misunderstanding of open source. Open source isn't audited per user ... all users can audit open source for all other users. Even if a great majority of users don't audit open source, even if the only people who do audit open source is the community of open source authors, it is still the case that the open source software gets audited by people who use the software.

      As an example, here is the list of people who contribute to the open source VLC media Player:
      http://www.videolan.org/videolan/team/

      How exactly is anyone on this team supposed to get an anti-user feature embedded into the VLC codebase past the eyes of the rest of the team?

      One simply cannot have anti-user features in open source software when that software is written in the open by people who use the software themselves.

      As a non-member of this team and a potential end user of the open source VLC Media Player software, all that you have to do is assure yourself that the version of the VLC Player software you are running contains no malware or anti-user features is to make sure that your copy is the same as that written by the VLC open source team. That is, make sure you get it from the VLC team, and not via some untrusted third party. If you do that, you certainly will be able to be assured that it won't "search through your personal photo collection, your credit card info, your mail and all that stuff".

    63. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, only sacks of ignorant pig shit like you need to go away. Way to shit out a strawman you blithering dumb fuck.

    64. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have recently been dealing with this issue... that was a very Informative post. Bitcoin address?

    65. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      goodness of their hart

      Now, now, there's no reason to bring deer into this.

    66. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell me what decoration the compiler should have and I'll accept this as a possible solution.

    67. Re:all in all by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      AVI is a terribly outdated format, but I find it's quite good enough for intermediary work - it's a widely-supported and dependable container for video while you work on it, before you mux the video into something more modern that supports VBR audio properly.

      The many options do serve a purpose. They allow someone knowledgeable to get the best possible quality from a low bitrate, allow for handling of awkward inputs like interlaced video, and provide a means of handling profiles. A lot of hardware decoders have strict limits on what they can decode due to limited memory or processor capacity, knowing how to work within a profile allows you to be sure that a specific device will play your video and not choak on an out-of-memory error.

      I know a lot about the options. I wrote (shamelessplug) http://birds-are-nice.me/publications/Optimising%20x264%20encodes.htm

    68. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sections of the German autobahns have no speed limit.

      http://www.gettingaroundgermany.info/autobahn.shtml
      http://maps.unomaha.edu/peterson/funda/sidebar/autobahn.htm

      The accident / fatality percentage is lower then that of the US Interstate system, according to these websites.

      Oh, incidentally, thanks for inviting the government in. A huge percentage of people have done something illegal without realizing it due to stupidly large amount of rules and regulations in place (some of which are grossly out of date). Not only that, but if you phrase something incorrectly with just the right name, you might be placed on a terrorist watch. Good luck getting through airports without getting harassed if this is the case.

      You just gave up your freedom for what you thought was safety -- but it's only a mirage. The problem with walled gardens? You can't easily get out, but if someone wants to get in? You're in trouble. If you can attain root / admin access to a device, so can hackers. (see Charlie Miller sneaking root-access command-and-control application into a so-called walled garden) Similarly, if you put limiters on cars? You will be slow, but I'll bet you a large percentage will bypass it (even if it's illegal)

    69. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Almost all routers I've used for the past 10 years have been a plug-in-and-go deal. Throw in a wifi password, and 95% of the internet / applications just work.

      The remaining 5%? Random servers (web, game). Do I want these to be run without my permission? No. adding a few ports is easy once you know where to navigate to.

      So ya, not sure what you're doing (or what Belkin is... did you pay $15 and expect the same level of refinement and capability as a $50?)

    70. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      May I point out that Apple and now Microsoft with Windows 8 are expending extra effort to prevent nerds from using hardware they have purchased. We aren't asking for extra work to cater to us, but that they NOT do extra work to hinder us!

    71. Re:all in all by Alex+Belits · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What the hell? Free ride? I paid for my hardware, thank you.

      It's called "raising the drawbridge". Once a group of worthless greedy assholes used some existing wonderful resource or phenomenon for their own benefit, assholes are eager to destroy it, so no one can use it to challenge them in the future. To justify this, they claim that others are "freeloaders" and "don't deserve" to use something as great as the resource being destroyed.

      Among other examples are "international" patents on drugs and other patent-related bullshit, copyrights and trademarks on formerly freely-distributable material (from Disney to Tivo-ization), and even "non-proliferation of nuclear weapons" when promoted by the country that can be only deterred from invasion by nuclear weapons.

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    72. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm constantly amazed when people demand, "Turn the commercial back up!"

      As if there weren't enough product placement already in the "program".

    73. Re:all in all by next_ghost · · Score: 1

      What compiler decoration? AppArmor plugs into the kernel and hooks directly into filesystem syscalls. No special support of/from compilers is needed.

    74. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How did we reach a point where we will so willingly turn over our individual agency to Apple, Microsoft, Sony? Or AT&T and Comcast? Who here believes that those companies can be trusted to look out for our best interests?

      When the first home computers and IBM PC clones came out, the only form of security was read-only, system, hidden and archive bits in the DOS system. Any application could reformat the disk drive, inspect memory at arbitrary locations and grab copies of the framebuffer. Malware like disk boot viruses, keyboard loggers and screen grabbers were a constant threat.

      That led to the introduction of supervisor, hypervisor and virtual memory systems for processes. "Dangerous" commands like disk formatting, disk block reading and writing were restricted to the supervisor mode and above.

      Then internet browsers came along with plugins and always online connections. That introduced a whole load of new vulnerabilities, requiring anti-virus software, which didn't always catch new exploits. Then there was the problem with regional DRM like DeCSS which had encrypted lists of encryption keys, along with do-not-copy bits. But anyone can build a patch cable that disables various pin connections, so the logic has to be placed in a sealed system-on-a-chip.

      But there is still the danger of someone writing or patching kernel modules, dynamic loaded libraries and applications, so the final solution is to pre-screen all applications before making them available.

    75. Re:all in all by V!NCENT · · Score: 1

      My iPad doesn't agree with iOS to be buttery fast. In fact; it's slow as fsck. First gen iPad and last gen iOS. Loading a pdf is a pain in the ass.

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    76. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the FUCK are you talking about?

      The Raspberry Pi is a piece of shit, it is locked down, there is no specifications for how it works or how to program it, and even when you run the blessed software, you have to buy a license key to enable some of the hardware features.

      "Oh but it runs Linux, the free operating system"

      Fuck you.

      Some of us have other ideas of what we want to do with our computers that don't involve poor imitations of an operating system for the PDP11.

    77. Re:all in all by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      A walled garden does not preclude allowing the ability to turn it off.

      That's like saying you have "freedom" while in jail because you can always kill yourself.

      I'm talking about choices, not options.

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    78. Re:all in all by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      But rather thar the existence of such a device verifies to me that computer's arevheap enough and well understood enough that while some companies may not want to sell general general purpose computers there will always be someone to fill that market niche.

      How many companies make CPUs? Now what if Microsoft says they're not going to "certify" those CPUs unless they are all locked down?

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    79. Re:all in all by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Are you really saying we'd all be better off if CPUs were just slower?

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    80. Re:all in all by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      (eg Cyanogenmod for phones, Raapberry Pi, any x86 computer, etc.)

      We've already dealt with why phones and the Raspberry Pi are not acceptable general computing platforms.

      Regarding the x86, you do understand that this entire discussion has been about locking the x86 to a particular walled garden, no?

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    81. Re:all in all by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      In a world where that happens, either that OS will be easy to work with, or people will move to AMD's most powerful processors.....

      You believe AMD is immune to Microsoft's influence? If Microsoft said tomorrow that AMD must comply with their walled garden or Windows won't run on it, AMD would change their policy in a hurry and accept being locked down.

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    82. Re:all in all by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Can you answer why you nerds believe that everything must be made for you, and you rage impotently all over this poor internet when someone dares to create something that doesn't fulfill your every need?

      I assume it's the arrogance, but it might be something else so I'm giving you a chance to explain.

      Thank you for the generosity.

      I'm not asking that nothing be created that does not fulfill my every need. I'm asking that they not stop producing a level of technology that has made the whole fucking thing possible. And by "fucking thing" I mean the Internet, personal computing, etc.

      If you need me to explain further, go fuck yourself.

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    83. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How did we reach a point where we will so willingly turn over our individual agency to Apple, Microsoft, Sony? Or AT&T and Comcast? Who here believes that those companies can be trusted to look out for our best interests?

      Nobody* gives a shit about GPC. They don't even want "computers". They want a way to browse the web, play games, do email, and run a few productivity apps - preferably without having to worry about viruses, etc. Oh, and do "phone stuff". In short, consumers are consumers. It's the apps, stupid. Why would you be surprised that the computer Uncle Bob wants to use doesn't look like the one you do?

      Those of us who want/need to do software have a wide variety of CPUs and hardware (and software) to do it with. I don't know that it's more or less choice than ever before, but certainly we have lots of options.

      * You and your /. buddies don't count.

      Oh, they WILL come around ... they just don't have first hand experience of being burned by it, and thus they can't imagine what will happen, but it will come to pass eventually and then there'll be a huge public outcry and it will become everybody's business, not just some nerds' minutia.

    84. Re:all in all by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      There is a small group of people who want to control their computer and software. Those people have a computer and run OSS and hopefully contribute if only in a small way. The rest just want to get email and look at pictures of cats on ihaschhezburger.

      Considering that Ubisoft is claiming a 95% piracy rate, I think that's pretty much proof that it's not just a "small group of people" who want to "control their computer and software". Even if you subtract the portion of those who just want something for free, you still get a lot more than a "small group", no?

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    85. Re:all in all by Graham+J+-+XVI · · Score: 1

      Now if I was either too lazy or unskilled to properly secure my hardware I have the right to allow some other company to do it for me by creating a 'walled garden' as it were, but I should always have the right to say screw you I want to run this program anyways, acknowledging the risks involved.

      Sounds like Gatekeeper on OSX.

    86. Re:all in all by Graham+J+-+XVI · · Score: 1

      You can opt out in OSX. Search Gatekeeper.

    87. Re:all in all by StripedCow · · Score: 1

      Nerds, however can still get their fix because they're nerds (eg Cyanogenmod for phones, Raapberry Pi, any x86 computer, etc.)

      However, it is becoming increasingly difficult. Mods are not something even the average nerd/scientist wants to deal with. And x86 computers will soon have the UEFI bootloader restriction.

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    88. Re:all in all by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Let me say that I am NOT a fan of the walled garden... I feel that this needs to be made clear. However, I fear the remainder of this may not be as clear. It is difficult for me to put the entirety of the thought process into a short post I suspect as there is much to be covered and I make it a point to assume nothing as a base level of understanding/agreement/education/civility/openness when having an online conversation. To be frank, history and personal experience (no offense intended) have shown me that assuming the commenter has an even basic grasp of logic is risky. I don't direct that at you personally but wish to make it clear and give the reason for the length and, oddly, lack of depth. (See? There's an example of that right there. I can already tell this will be a longer post than I'd hoped.)

      Now what if, we just suppose that your analogy was taken a step further and this internet moniker of "information superhighway" means something. If that too is true and if the internet is a public resource (both of which are fairly difficult to argue against) then your argument begins to fall apart.

      I don't support such legislation BUT I'd understand the pressures in place to support it. Let's say that this public resource needed protecting from idiots who can't maintain a secure computer without the walled garden approach... Where are we then?

      Basically, you are presenting an argument that could easily be for forcing walled gardens onto all computers that access the internet. Malware infected devices cause problems and propagate. A walled garden can be a very effective tool to ensure the security of the devices connected to the public space.

      I could EASILY see laws proposed that attempted to enforce that all computers accessing the internet (which is one of the major features of the items being discussed so exceptions do exist but are pointless for this conversation and will surely remain available for the foreseeable future) be at a certain level of expected security and because we humans seem incapable or unwilling to learn precautions the walled garden is the most effective solution at this time and thus may be a portion of this mythical law.

      We have, to use your analogy, certain behaviors and certain equipment standards that must be maintained to legally operate a vehicle on a public way. The precedent has been set and your 'argument' is actually in favor of this.

      As you say, if you want to drive around like a madman you're free to do so on your private property (maybe, there are some exceptions surely). However, the devices sold are being sold not for use in your back yard but for cruising down the information superhighway. (Yes, I did feel dirty typing that.) In much the same way, these devices are being sold with these restrictions in place. Just as you can modify your car and tool about in your backyard with little regard for your emissions or speed you can modify your device to install all the malware you want. Someone will be along to help you do it if you're incapable of doing it on your own actually.

      The restrictions aren't something you can't overcome just like you can modify your Honda to handle your backyard demolition derby.

      And that, my good sir, is likely where the argument is going to go. I'm all in favor of keeping devices open and the risks of being infected high - it helps keep some of my best friends employed and makes the 'net a more interesting place. The company, as you insinuated, isn't saying that you can't do those things - they're saying that the device isn't meant to do those things, that they won't support or warranty your device if you do those things, and that if you want to utilize their additional services then you won't do those things.

      What I find more frightening and concerning is that we're moving backwards even though our compute cycles are insanely cheap now yet we're moving towards dumb terminals and centralized computing and storage. I find that a lot more worrisome than having to sideload an app onto my iPod or rooting an

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    89. Re:all in all by Pope · · Score: 1

      The article in full is a very interesting argument for why we will all regret our eagerness to embrace the "walled garden".

      Has everyone forgotten the days when your computer actually belonged to you? The days before computing was more than just shopping?

      Do you own your PS3 or your Xbox 360?

      The PS3 and XBOX 360 are not computers; neither were the Atari 2600 or Intellevision. What exactly was your point?

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    90. Re:all in all by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      OS X is not yet a walled garden. iOS is. 'Metro', or whatever its name is this week is as well.

    91. Re:all in all by grumbel · · Score: 1

      How exactly is anyone on this team supposed to get an anti-user feature embedded into the VLC codebase past the eyes of the rest of the team?

      See the Debian OpenSSH incident. A very high profile software package with an obvious and easy to detect bug that rendered all newly installed machines wide open, yet nobody found it for two years. So how did they get past the OpenSSH maintainers? Easy, they didn't, Debian people introduced the bug while packaging OpenSSH, where none of the original developers where looking. There are a lot of orphaned and abandoned Open Source packages around that one could adopt, introduce a backdoor and then slip into a distribution without anybody noticing.

      Most of the time the trouble is of course not even security, but just basic consistency. Does an app store it's config data in ~/.appname, in ~/config/appname, maybe in ~/.local/share/appname/? Or how about maybe in ~/.gnome/appname/ or in the depths of ~/.kde/? With a proper sandbox model that's not a questions you would ever need to ask, because the sandbox would only allow a single location. File system hierarchy would thus be no longer just a policy that an application could adopt or not, but something that is actively enforced.

    92. Re:all in all by cdrguru · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but the computing experience for the average Joe is a pretty bad one these days. He can be certain that his computer will be used by malware authors for their own ends and he is powerless to stop them.

      Anti-virus solutions do not work when the user of the computer makes bad decisions. Because the user is incapable of being the knowledgable administrator of the computer that is required, it is going to turn into a bad experience. Nothing can prevent that - Joe doesn't want the training that would be required for him to effectively administer his computer.

      Nobody else wants to do this job for free either. Sure, there are services Joe can sign up for that will do this for him and keep uninstalling Weather Bug every time he installs it. But they cost money and it is money Joe would rather spend elsewhere.

      Bring in the walled garden or the Internet appliance and you have the solution to Joe's worries. His experience will not be sullied by malware, bots, trojans and viruses. This isn't what the geeks would like to happen, but unfortunately the malware authors have spoken and turned the world of general purpose computing into a minefield. Sucks to live in a minefield when you don't understand the mines or even that they exist.

    93. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should have understood this as: What operations is the compiler allowed to perform?

    94. Re:all in all by Requiem18th · · Score: 1

      Actually his argument is on track (pun intended) he just forgot about the idea of failsafe measures.

      Your idea that you could do whatever you wanted as long a you "own" the road gets complicated by the fact that, just like roads are public resources, the Internet is a public resource too. No one would care if you have access to military grade encrypted communication systems if you only used them in your "private Internet" and no, a VPN is not a private Internet.

      User im_thatoneguy is right, giving up some freedoms is convenient somehow however you should be sure to put failsafe measures. For instance, instead of traffic police regulating speed limits, we could have mandated that cars simply couldn't go over certain speeds.

      However what if you are being pursued by thugs? What if there's an accident that requires you to drive faster? What if there is a medical emergency? (in order of increased realism but all valid examples)

      The point is that it's all right to have limiters as long as you can get them out when you need them. The problem with the war on general computing is that it's a war against the ability of users to run whatever they want in their computer. In other words it is not about limiting machines, it's about controlling people.

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    95. Re:all in all by Twinbee · · Score: 1

      You'd like to donate to me? Thanks for the offer, but just glad to help - spread the info around to help others if you like though.

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    96. Re:all in all by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      I think the issue is that the number of computer users, and the number of users that are concerned with being in control of their computer has become a smaller percentage of the overall user base. Media cartels and governments favor walled gardens, and the value in pleasing them has risen. So, we've got more users that don't care, and more pressure from important partners to take away user freedom. The angry nerds are no longer a real concern for these companies.

      Exactly.

      First off - the computer is a valuable TOOL. So valuable, that no modern economy can run without them, and I don't mean stuff like HFT. I mean basic jobs and tasks all involve a computer in some way. From the machinist using a CNC machine (someone has to program it), to the mechanic diagnosing what's wrong with your car, to the cook using it to organize their business and menus, a computer ends up being involved.

      Most of these people don't give a hoot about their computers - they want their computers to do the job they were bought for. Jobs were lost for computerization (e.g., typing pools, secretaries), so people have to use them.

      It's true that computers require maintenance - all tools do. But people jump for things that require lower maintenance - newer tools, like newer cars and such. And right now, the general purpose computer is a very high maintenance piece of equipment. Software updates, malware removal, antivirus, "don't click that link", etc. And people still get infected with stuff like "spear phishing" (see RSA hack that got the RSA token keys), social engineering, etc.

      Hell, the PC you use for your job may be locked down hard by corporate IT to prevent such things from infecting their computers.

      The war is basically that people end up wanting something simpler - to do the stuff they need without having to worry about crap. Like for example, online banking, online shopping, etc.

      Users don't care because they're inundated with stuff they should and should not do with their computers that they can be afraid to use them. And everytime you roll your eyes at your parents and siblings when they ask you to fix their computers, drives them towards the walled garden even more. Everytime you mock them for bringing their PC to Geek Squad makes them want to see those locked down machines.

    97. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm happy to sacrifice freedom for security.

      A person willing to give up freedom for security will have neither freedom or security
      Ben Franklin

    98. Re:all in all by lavers · · Score: 1

      Pi owner here as well. I'm genuinely disappointed at how closed that Broadcom chip actually is, compared to the open/hackable machine I thought I was getting.

    99. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Part of the free software philosophy is that you don't have to audit it all---other people will, and will publish their results. Likewise, because anyone can alter the program and share their work, user-hostile problems have a hard time existing.

      It doesn't work perfectly because modern programs trick people with their complexity and grab a little bit more user info by making tangled excuses for spying that mire people in debate and get objectors tarred as wing nuts. Or, for DRM, they bury the free software geeks with changes. You don't need real DRM if you have a team making daily pushes to your video website to break downloading scripts. However you must agree software in Ubuntu's repository is less user-hostile and spies less than software in a walled-garden app store, right? The problem is it's all crippled by patent paranoia or minifier wing-nuts.

    100. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll agree with some of those below: most of us aren't engineers. I am not.

      When I was younger and PCs were first becoming ubiquitous, I wanted what we called an IBM-compatible in those days. Why? Because I could play with the programming and such more easily than on the (newly introduced) Macintosh. I hated the idea that I couldn't even write my own stuff that easily; the GUI seemed cumbersome and I couldn't get into the "guts" of the machine.

      Now? I simply don't have time for any of that. I'm not in the IT profession; I have a set of things I need my computer to do. And I can't be dicking around with it. It needs to work. I have a story to file and I can't be digging into the bloody OS to figure out what's wrong, you know? Lots of people have other stuff to do in their lives.

      A lot of engineering-oriented "nerdy" people never seem to grasp this.

      I'll make another car analogy: in 1920 if you bought a car you had to like tinkering with it. Because the damned things were simply not reliable; they were for the tech nerds of their day. But to reach a mass market and above all, make them useful a car has to "just work." Now, cars were until recently simple enough that it didn't take a whole semester's worth of work to learn how to do things like change the plugs or the air filter, or do basic maintenance. But computers are vastly more complex. The fact that MS Word still crashes -- and there really isn't any effective way to find out why -- is partially a testament to that. Heck, every OS built today will sometimes crash and there isn't technically speaking a "reason" that can be traced. Unlike a car, which at least you can diagnose. Yes I know a lot of the time you CAN diagnose what goes on in a computer, but I'm talking about the times you can't. And even when yo can diagnose it, it isn't the kind of thing most people can fix.

      Think of all the other pieces of technology in the house. I have a toaster. Should I have to be an electrical engineer to understand it? I want to make toast! How useful would a toaster that works most of the time but not all the time and might or might not toast your bread be?

      So some of the "willingly turning over individual agency" is "I don't want to have to take 2 semesters of CSC to write a goddamned letter."

      In fact, the giving over of that agency, as you put it, is precisely why computers are useful for people who aren't in the field. Is it sexy? No. But my computer works and does what I need it to do.

      Now, there's another question about the freedom to use certain software and the limits of ownership, which is what you may be getting at. But you have to also ask yourself how you keep things useful, you know? How to create systems that don't just drive people who aren't computer nerds crazy. I mean, I am willing to learn a bit about how systems work, because I have to, but there are times when I just need to get shit done.

    101. Re:all in all by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      The PS3 and XBOX 360 are not computers

      Before they borked it, the PS3 ran Linux pretty well for something that was "not a computer".

      Maybe we need to have a little review of the meaning of the word, "computer".

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    102. Re:all in all by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Bring in the walled garden or the Internet appliance and you have the solution to Joe's worries. His experience will not be sullied by malware, bots, trojans and viruses.

      I'm not trying to outlaw walled gardens or internet appliances.

      I'm trying to make sure that unlocked, high-powered computing is still available at reasonable prices, as it has been for the past, what, about 25 years?

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    103. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol, as long as Intel makes the most 'powerful' cpu 95% of people won't care. Even for the few years AMD made the fastest processors it was hard to get people to buy them.

    104. Re:all in all by westlake · · Score: 1

      Wow, way to misinterpret something and bring up a straw man. Nowhere does he state that "nerds must not be allowed to exist." He's stating that the device demographic has changed. These things used to be by nerds for nerds. Now they're by business managers/bean counters/nerds for decidedly non-nerds.

      For a generation, the geek has been dependent on commodity hardware designed for the MSDOS and Windows PC eco-system. That world is changing --- and the geek is beginning to look like a bit like a dinosaur foraging desperately for food after the asteroid hit.

    105. Re:all in all by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Problem is that Android phones are cheap plastic junk. They slow to a crawl, need to be restarted,

      Damn, Samsung copied EVERYTHING from Apple's iPhone!

    106. Re:all in all by Rakarra · · Score: 2

      Pi owner here as well. I'm genuinely disappointed at how closed that Broadcom chip actually is, compared to the open/hackable machine I thought I was getting.

      Every time I hear of a new 'open,' 'hey, you can run linux on it!' platform I end up being disappointed. I felt the same about the Playstation 3, thinking I could run linux on it, set up some old game emulators, make it into a real console to replace all my others. Unfortunately the hardware was almost totally locked off from the Yellowdog Linux image. You had the CPUs (some of them), but not the GPUs. It was intentionally crippled so that it would be useless for game-playing.

    107. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are allowed to expose all your information if that's what you choose. It is clearly your choice as any tech oriented person can see that. No one forces you to by an apple product, no one forces you to by a Microsoft product. No one forces you to buy a blackberry or a Nokia. No one is forced to buy a smartphone for that matter. The choice is yours. So you are already allowed to do those things (expose personal identification) as you wish.

      I think the big issue here is that this argument supports google's open standards OS as if this should be the only way we use computers, smartphones, technology. Not that it was said this way but it is certainly implied. But this would unltimately take away any choice for the consumer. As it is Android has the majority of the smartphone OS market and that will most likely not change. As the same with windows pc's. So that is not enough? We need to have a 100 percent market domination? So there is no choice. From a business perspective this is unacceptable.

      Some of the comments get so up in arms about a walled garden being so horribly wrong. Its not as if anyone is forcing you to buy into that walled garden. I hear an argument to have just one OS out there for all things. And I am guessing that this one OS would come from google, since anybody who follows the industry well enough knows that google is tops in subtlety creating false mind share to further support its goals.

      Let's ask Erik schmidt page and bring if it's ok if everyone in the industry can get a hold on its search algorithm so that everyone can have and use googles technology at will. It's incredible that google gets away with telling everyone that everything should be free and open except the part that makes google all their money. It's like a thinly veiled lie that just keeps going and going.

    108. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a terrible metaphor. Guess how all the fiber networks were developed -- with public resources. Come back when you own your own network or communicate directly with someone else using wifi. If someone else owns the pipes (or the roads), you are powerless, because they can shut you off at any time.

    109. Re:all in all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fact is ,the great majority of computer users hardly use it as a tool at all..at least compared to the power within it
                  a) basic web surfing/entertainments and b) basic communications..
            I agree with previous descriptions of the dicotomy between types of users...
                  I think that most users are not interested in what else their computer could do for them besides a & b ..
                  and not interested in what`s 'under the hood'
                      And that mac users represent an even larger proportion of that spectrum than pc`rs

    110. Re:all in all by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      I agree that there are cases where I want full control. I want a private road. And at least in the case of Windows 8 you have that with the desktop environment. You can run buggy developer code that opens you up to insecurity.

      But you also have the metro WinRT environment which I know is well vetted and secure. I want the ability to tinker and build a car of my own design. But I also expect the Volvo I buy to be 5 star safety tested from the store.

      The car analogy isn't perfect but it's one example of a scenario where we all give up some freedom in exchange for greater freedom. You could say you're losing freedom, but are you losing 'net freedom'. Sometimes you have to trade a little freedom for more freedom. I am willing to give up a little bit of my freedom of speech in order to have the freedom of not being unnecessarily trampled. I'm willing to give up a little bit of my freedom to dump toxic waste into the gutter in order to have the freedom to safely drink water without fearing radiation.

      I would argue that a walled garden perhaps as part of an open lawn, most of the time is more of a benefit to my freedom: freedom from identity fraud for instance, than it is a hindrance to my freedom.

      I'm also willing to give up a little bit of freedom of choice in order for simplicity. I will probably pay a premium by using the Microsoft Store but I've paid extra for music to buy it from an ecosystem in the past that was where I bought everything else. The extra cost is worth the convenience. The ability to turn on a fresh new computer and restore all of my applications from another computer... worth the price of admission right there.

  6. Welcome to 2006, Cory Doctorow by SuperBanana · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Let's see, where have we heard all of this before, on Slashdot, pointed out by average commenters? Oh yeah:

    When TPM was introduced in 2006.

    When Apple started doing code signing in 2008 on OS X.

    Oh, and I forgot driver and application signing in Windows. When did that start?

    1. Re:Welcome to 2006, Cory Doctorow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Cory Doctorow has been writing about this stuff for years, and is a huge influencer on slashbot comments. Lame critique, dude.

    2. Re:Welcome to 2006, Cory Doctorow by lightknight · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And perhaps you would like to argue that things are getting better instead?

      Processors have bumped up against Murphy's Law. Multiple cores only go so far.

      Windows 8 is scaring a large number of IT implementers.

      Apple is {comment redacted}.

      Google has become the US Government's willing bitch; the search results it returns are pure trash.

      A fair number of judges, everywhere, lacking any understanding about how technology or freedom of speech works, have opted for a (holds at arm's length, with a gloved hand) social policy that undermines both, with their horrible rulings on 'deep linking / linking to copyrighted works.'

      For some odd reason, we need a cyber-army now. Haven't had one for the past two decades when technology was actually evolving, but now that the power is flowing away from tech, we suddenly need one. I could have sworn that all the IT out there was the cyber-army, seeing as they know how to secure devices better than most wanna-be security experts, but then, company policy has been a brake on that for years.

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      I am John Hurt.
    3. Re:Welcome to 2006, Cory Doctorow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Did you read TFA? Frankly, the headine here is inaccurate. His article is called "The Coming Civil War over General Purpose Computing" with the emphasis being on "civil".
      The article assumes we all agree we want "big brother" out of our computers, and then continues to discusses what should be the rights of owners as compared to the rights of users of computers.
      I don't think I have seen the subject matter he presents covered before (and I've read plenty about trusted/treacherous computing).

    4. Re:Welcome to 2006, Cory Doctorow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      >Cory Doctorow is a self promoting nobody who has been writing BS about this stuff for years and doesn't influence anyone with more than two brain cells in their head.

      Fixed that for you.

    5. Re:Welcome to 2006, Cory Doctorow by PostPhil · · Score: 2

      Don't you mean "Moore's Law", not "Murphy's Law"? Murphy's Law hasn't had a major effect on processors since the Pentium fdiv bug.

    6. Re:Welcome to 2006, Cory Doctorow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's see, where have we heard all of this before, on Slashdot, pointed out by average commenters? Oh yeah:

      No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.
      The average commenter on slashdot knows jack shit.

    7. Re:Welcome to 2006, Cory Doctorow by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      It will now. Thanks a lot.

    8. Re:Welcome to 2006, Cory Doctorow by Alioth · · Score: 1

      Actually, talking of multiple cores, he's probably thinking of Amdahl's Law

  7. If you don't like it, make it yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AFAIK nobody is preventing you from making your own computer that will run any program you want. Nobody is preventing you from designing your own microprocessors and any other component for which you can do computation. Nobody is preventing you from writing the software to do whatever computation you want.

    Sharing that capability is what's being constrained.

    1. Re:If you don't like it, make it yourself by sjames · · Score: 1

      Preventing the sharing, that is preventing all collaboration, is effectively preventing the whole process. For one thing, fabbing a CPU is an expensive process. It only becomes practical on a large scale.

    2. Re:If you don't like it, make it yourself by next_ghost · · Score: 3, Insightful

      AFAIK nobody is preventing you from making your own computer that will run any program you want. Nobody is preventing you from designing your own microprocessors and any other component for which you can do computation. Nobody is preventing you from writing the software to do whatever computation you want.

      Actually, it's already a criminal offence to run some programs (DRM crackers etc.). I say we'll see the first attempt to seriously enforce laws against running certain kinds of offline software (as opposed to online software like filesharing tools) by 2020.

    3. Re:If you don't like it, make it yourself by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      If you've got the money for it. This isn't about just desktop PCs. It's about more embedded systems as well. The example of self-driving cars was used several times. Could you build a new control computer for a car, including reverse-engineering all the propritary (and likely encrypted) protocols used to communicate between the driving computer and the control chips in the engine, breaks, steering motors and sensors?

    4. Re:If you don't like it, make it yourself by nitehawk214 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      AFAIK nobody is preventing you from making your own computer that will run any program you want.

      Except an army patent lawyers at every major computer and software company.

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    5. Re:If you don't like it, make it yourself by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's already a criminal offence to run some programs (DRM crackers etc.).

      I'm quite sure it is also a criminal offence in many jurisdictions to use a word processor that you purchased completely legally, to write the planning for a murder, a kidnapping, a bank robbery and so on.

    6. Re:If you don't like it, make it yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm quite sure it is also a criminal offence in many jurisdictions to use a word processor that you purchased completely legally, to write the planning for a murder, a kidnapping, a bank robbery and so on.

      Nope. You are allowed to write crime novels. Or for that matter, thrillers with terrorist plots.

    7. Re:If you don't like it, make it yourself by Abreu · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's already a criminal offence to run some programs (DRM crackers etc.).

      I'm quite sure it is also a criminal offence in many jurisdictions to use a word processor that you purchased completely legally, to write the planning for a murder, a kidnapping, a bank robbery and so on.

      Source?

      This sounds awfully hard to enforce, and besides, How do novelists work around such a prohibition?

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    8. Re:If you don't like it, make it yourself by cbhacking · · Score: 1

      Not at all; that's a ludicrous claim of any reasonably free society (including once rather worse off than the USA). For example, it's completely legitimate to write a book in which the character plots the execution of a real-world individual, and to include the full details of that plan in the book. Nothing about your writing becomes illegal until you try to use the book as a mechanism to break a law which is completely unrelated to writing (specifically, conspiracy to commit murder) by doing things like telling other people that they should, in real life, follow the plan laid out in the book. Even in that case, it's not the actual writing that is the illegal part, it's the use to which you put the writing. If you don't actually engage in a conspiracy to commit murder, you can write about murder all you like. Indeed, you may instead use the book for completely legal purposes (random example: as part of a course for bodyguards, where the plan as outlined in the writing is used as a scenario in which you now have to defend the target).

      On DRM, however, it's a different issue. It is illegal to operate a system for breaking DRM, regardless of the purpose of breaking the DRM or the way the system is used. For example, you're not legally allowed to defeat DRM for the purposes of making a backup, even though you're explicitly legally permitted to make personal backups of copywrited works. You're also not legally permitted to break the DRM on an item which you paid for under an agreement of perpetual use, even if the company that provided the item has gone out of business without compensating you for the breach of contract.

      It is also illegal to break DRM for the purpose of commiting actual copyright infringement - that is, the distribution of unlicensed copies outside the scope of fair use exceptions - but that makes sense, right? Wrong! The copyright infringement is illegal, sure, but breaking DRM is neither a sufficient nor necessary step toward copyright infringement. It is one avenue which helps enable copyright infringement, of course, but so are VCRs, handheld video recording equipment (camcorders, etc.), memorizing a song, writing down the words of a speech, and many other legally completely valid devices or behaviors. DRM gets singled out as an area where merely doing something which may enable copyright infringement is itself illegal. That's bullshit, but it's the law.

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    9. Re:If you don't like it, make it yourself by Chrontius · · Score: 1

      Yes.

      I may even succeed before the actuarial tables suggest I should die of natural causes.

    10. Re:If you don't like it, make it yourself by cpghost · · Score: 1

      Fabbing the CPU is the easiest part of the game. Designing it is what is really expensive. Fortunately, we have the source code for a good CPU to get started, should we ever need to re-bootstrap the IT industry.

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    11. Re:If you don't like it, make it yourself by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I don't believe patents work that way.

      You can make an exact replica of most anything you want. What you can't do is SELL it. You can make a "2012 Ford Mustang" in your garage, complete with ECU and everything.

      What you can't do is sell it.

      You can make your own iPad, you can even round the corners and include the logo. You can even install the OS and have it be identical in every way. You'll still not have violated patent laws until you market it.

      In some of those cases there's some nasty DRM laws that may get you in trouble but that hasn't anything to do with patents.

      Now, I could be mistaken but I'm pretty sure I'm not and I'm pretty sure you're mistaken and that you're not alone on that. A lot of people think that. A lot of people think you have to file, put a symbol, and include a date (and update it) for copyright too - that is also incorrect.

      Patents are public knowledge, you can use any of them in your own private project. You can't market them.

      Trademarks a whole different entity, more like copyright that people think copyright is (when it isn't - copyright laws were changed a long time ago) and, again, you can't use them without permission if you're going to market them. I'm a little unsure of this one - but I'm pretty sure and too lazy to check which means I'm likely correct - but you can use a trademark without permission at any time you want for your own personal use. I can put the Nike "Swoosh" on my boat shoes if I want.

      Copyright, actually is way confusing, but is created on creation and is assumed from the start. Registering copyrighted works is only valuable if you expect to recoup losses of a certain type.

      Again, just so you know, if you want to use something and there's a patent then you're free to do so without fear so long as you don't market it. The minute you market it, or even insinuate it, or even have it somehow associated with a profitable venture I'd recommend both not doing it and getting a lawyer. There is absolutely nothing stopping you from creating your own Windows 8 operating system - complete with logo - for personal use. There is no legal recourse either.

      However, if you then use that OS to sell or even use it in your office where you perform profitable activities I'd get a lawyer or ten. The first one is certainly going to get you in trouble and the second one just might but I'm not entirely clear on that.

      Also, you don't "lose" a copyright like you can a trademark. Yes, we all blow our nose on a Kleenex but you can't just bang out a rehash of Never Gonna Give You Up. I include that just because the subjects are often intertwined and there is a lot of confusion.

      If I'm mistaken then I'm sure someone will be along but I don't believe I am. You can use the patent library and build yourself a whole bunch of awesome and there's not a damned thing the lawyers can do. To say so is silly and is nothing less than FUD. Which leads to this...

      I'm going to assume it was a mistake based on ignorance but that doesn't speak very well for you. I'm going to assume you just didn't know better but you made an attempt to speak authoritatively on the subject, as in you presented a clear and precise statement that is patently (pun intended) false.

      Now, my question is, why did you say that? You stated, clearly, that making "your own computer" would be prevented by an "army of patent lawyers" which is false. Even if they did send you a letter there's no judge out there that's going to accept the case. There is no case to be had so long as it is "your own computer" (which is pretty clearly established in the text).

      I guess I can understand that some folk wouldn't know this BUT there are a few things strange about this.

      Your comment is moderated as being insightful.

      Your comment is not correct.

      The reason I know your comment is incorrect is because it is an often discussed topic here on Slashdot.

      In other words, I learned (from here) more about patents than I'd needed to know and I learned tha

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    12. Re:If you don't like it, make it yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it's already a criminal offence to run some programs (DRM crackers etc.).

      I'm quite sure it is also a criminal offence in many jurisdictions to use a word processor that you purchased completely legally, to write the planning for a murder, a kidnapping, a bank robbery and so on.

      You're so right. Watching DVDs I purchased on a media PC I put together does undermine the fabric of society. The only way to avoid mass chaos is to buy a player sanctioned by the DVD forum.

    13. Re:If you don't like it, make it yourself by sjames · · Score: 1

      Fabbing quantity 1 or two is extremely expensive. You'd need to be able to share so a large group could combine their orders into a worthwhile run size to get decent pricing.

    14. Re:If you don't like it, make it yourself by alexo · · Score: 1

      In Canada, the mere presence of "digital locks" (read DRM) trumps any and all rights that the person may have with regard to the work.
      For example, if a DRMd work falls into the public domain, breaking the DRM is still a criminal offense.

      Thank you Harper's Conservatives.

  8. Authorities-only Engine Kill by DevotedSkeptic · · Score: 2

    Are we willing to give up more control to "Authorities" and who exactly should these authorities be. Should those with authority be able to execute such a kill switch without notice or should users/citizens have notice? Thinking into the future, if i decided to go to a soft drink vending machine that is "smart" and i choose to purchase a sugar laden drink but my bmi is over a certain number should these authorities dispense a diet soft drink instead. I don't believe we are quite in a big brother society (but approaching it) IMHO users should have the option to disable the "dummy switch" on their devices. For example: if a user has(or feels they have) the technical savvy to be able to take care of their computer or device they should be able to retain responsibility for their devices/computers without being required to give it up to an "authority". Looking to a future where if you are 1 second late on your utility payment...oops you don't have that utility any more..

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    1. Re:Authorities-only Engine Kill by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Where would the money be in a machine like that? How about a machine that takes a photo of you from a distance, runs it against a customer database, and reforms it's e-paper front to advertise whichever brand of soft drink you have been determined most likely to buy, and using whichever style of advertising has previously proven most effective on you personally? It'll even record the time and location in your file, for use in marketing other things.

    2. Re:Authorities-only Engine Kill by DevotedSkeptic · · Score: 1

      you missed my point, I was indicating that with this sort of technology and "authority" decisions could be taken away from the user/consumer. Not entice the consumer/user into a behavior but actually remove the decision.

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    3. Re:Authorities-only Engine Kill by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      But now you've gotten me thinking of evil vending machine ideas! Perhaps a user-based price... query the database to check your income level based on past purchases, and determine your rate of travel on foot over the previous hour, then estimate what you would be willing to pay and set the price accordingly.

    4. Re:Authorities-only Engine Kill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We believe in democracy here. Democracy is the idea of one man, one vote. I am that one man (for proper values of gender) and I have that one vote. I guess I am, de facto, that authority.

      What is your IP address and user name?

  9. Gosh by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Its almost as though freedom requires responsibility or something.

    1. Re:Gosh by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Too bad "responsibility" has come to mean things like, "buying things from corporations," "obeying pointless and destructive laws," and "not helping dissidents in China."

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    2. Re:Gosh by lightknight · · Score: 2

      Indeed. We need a time machine, to send people with these dark tendencies back to the wonderful days of Stalin's reign. A decade of his rule, and I am certain that freedom will acquire a new ineffable quality that makes it positively attractive when compared to the other options.

      Which reminds me, new rule: He who does not understand the subject material does not get to make policy, in whole or in part.

      I hate the idea of having to resort to technocracy to keep the various fields from collapsing under the weight of stupidity (not everyone need hold a Philosophy degree to contribute to the field; most of its major contributors did not), but then I am running into the minor problem of finding a pattern that prevents corruption and stupidity from spreading elsewhere ("Dude, if we use the corn that the farmers have stored for planting next year, this year to feed starving children in {third-world country}, we can come out ahead! I've been to the hardware / gardening store, a packet of seeds costs like $5, and they always have a lot of them! This way, we can feed the children, and stimulate the economy! Double-win!"), and we seem to be running into far too many of these idiotic situations (if it isn't dangerous now, it will be soon enough).

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    3. Re:Gosh by Doctor_Jest · · Score: 2

      It also requires eternal vigilance. Basking in the glow of one's freedom means that someone's (or some other "entity" acting on behalf of someone) going to try to snatch the freedom while you're not looking.

      I like Penn Jillette (of Penn and Teller), and I respect his positions and agree with most of what he says, but recently I watched a youtube interview with him and he said something that seemed uncharacteristic and almost naive. He said that he believes that people are generally good. He hasn't personally met very many evil people, you know, the inherently evil people. But I have to disagree. The current political climate and the wholesale slavery that is being attempted by major corporations with the force of law and lack of alternatives is not something inherently good people come up with. Evil is as evil does. The fruits of evil are abundantly clear and all around us.

      The trick is to stamp the roots rather than burning the fruit. We're not working at the right level, which is why this crap keeps cropping up every few years. It's as if someone (or some group) like the *AA's or their kind keep the evil plan on the back burner until the hype wears down and tries again every so often, hoping we're asleep at the wheel. They are nothing if patient. One day we will be asleep at the wheel and they'll get another pile of restrictive slavery put into the mechanisms of the world. Just like they've done in the past.

      Time to start killing the roots, people. Not slowly... quickly. And without mercy. Or we'll be looking back on the "wild west" days of the Internet and society fondly as they plug us into the thought scanner 9000 to make sure we aren't being subversive, like thinking for ourselves...

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    4. Re:Gosh by Telvin_3d · · Score: 1

      If freedom requires that everyone be an expert programmer who can (and has the time to) audit every piece of code they run then we need a more useful definition for digital 'freedom' as well as 'responsibility'.

      I am not expected to be a professional mechanic in order to drive a car, and no one sane would suggest I should need to be. Rather, cars are manufactured in such a way that they are expected to be inherently reliable to operate.

    5. Re:Gosh by Microlith · · Score: 2

      I am not expected to be a professional mechanic in order to drive a car, and no one sane would suggest I should need to be. Rather, cars are manufactured in such a way that they are expected to be inherently reliable to operate.

      But should you want to, you can maintain your own car. Efforts in the auto industry to make that impossible have been defeated legally, many times. Cars still fail, I am not forced to go to the dealership for maintenance, spare parts, or fuel.

      I want the same liberties, at minimum, with my computers.

    6. Re:Gosh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have recently become convinced that there are those (even in America) who truly do not desire freedom. the other part of this issue is that most consumers do not need or want a truly general purpose computer. they need and want a walled garden. that's what happens then you try to make something for the masses.

    7. Re:Gosh by russotto · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Right. "Freedom requires responsibility" is a meme authoritarians came up with the undermine freedom; you'd think it would be obvious, as "responsibility" always ends up meaning "do what we say", but a lot of people are taken in.

      You have the freedom to speak, and the responsibility not to speak against the government (or not to say something which might upset The Children, or teach them something not correct). You have freedom of religion, and the responsibility to make it the right religion. You have the right to keep and bear arms, and the responsibility to limit this to single-shot muzzle loaders kept at an approved range. You have the right to deny soldiers the use of your home, but wouldn't it be irresponsible and unpatriotic to do so? You have the right to be free of unreasonable search and seizure; but your responsibility to prevent terrorism requires you to assume the position.

    8. Re:Gosh by ibwolf · · Score: 2

      I like Penn Jillette (of Penn and Teller), and I respect his positions and agree with most of what he says, but recently I watched a youtube interview with him and he said something that seemed uncharacteristic and almost naive. He said that he believes that people are generally good. He hasn't personally met very many evil people, you know, the inherently evil people. But I have to disagree. The current political climate and the wholesale slavery that is being attempted by major corporations with the force of law and lack of alternatives is not something inherently good people come up with. Evil is as evil does. The fruits of evil are abundantly clear and all around us.

      No, he is right. Most people are, basically, "good". And by "good" I mean they mean well. There is this saying about the road to hell...

      Also, most people are greedy. Especially those in positions of power. The greed tends to cloud their judgments. Its not that they become maniacal, cartoon-ish, villains who cackle with glee at the thought of doing their evil deeds. The greed simply causes them to find justifications for why what is good for them is ultimately good for society. It doesn't matter if those justifications are logically unsound (or indeed obvious logical fallacies), they have a vested interest in believing them and will defend them at all costs as otherwise they would have to acknowledge that they aren't "good people". Everyone is the hero in their own story.

      This is what makes the corruption so difficult to defeat. The justifications will ensure that there is a steady stream of new supporters (like law makers who receive campaign contributions) to the cause as long as it is profitable. Fighting against it is often not at all profitable on an individual level even though it is in the general interest of the people. That leaves the fight up to idealist who, all too often, are ill equipped for the task.

       

    9. Re:Gosh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not expected to be a professional mechanic in order to drive a car, and no one sane would suggest I should need to be. Rather, cars are manufactured in such a way that they are expected to be inherently reliable to operate.

      But should you want to, you can maintain your own car. Efforts in the auto industry to make that impossible have been defeated legally, many times. Cars still fail, I am not forced to go to the dealership for maintenance, spare parts, or fuel.

      I want the same liberties, at minimum, with my computers.

      Um... yeah no one is even trying to take away those liberties on your computer. However just like maintaining your own car you need to learn the function of the whole system, and have the correct tools.

      For computers if you want to completely maintain your own, you're going to have to do the same. That includes breaking out the soldering iron sometimes.

    10. Re:Gosh by Microlith · · Score: 1

      Um... yeah no one is even trying to take away those liberties on your computer.

      Yes they are. What do you think platforms like iOS and Windows RT are centered around? Control centered in the hands of the platform vendor.

      However just like maintaining your own car you need to learn the function of the whole system, and have the correct tools.

      I only need to know how the whole car works if I want to tear the entire thing down and rebuild it. Otherwise I can focus on small parts at one time. But hey, we're wandering down into the area where the car analogy goes sour as computers generally provide their own tools (compiler, linker, etc.) and (until recently) didn't fight the user over running arbitrary software.

      "Oh but you can just not buy those" - what about people who decide, after the fact, that they want to do X, Y, or Z but can't because the platform is crippled? I know for a fact that many, many people got more involved with programming and related projects precisely because they could without any additional investment and at a young age when buying additional computers and software and yearly permission slips was impossible. On these platforms, they're explicitly denied the ability to do so.

      For computers if you want to completely maintain your own, you're going to have to do the same. That includes breaking out the soldering iron sometimes.

      You can't get around AES signatures with a soldering iron on modern equipment unless you have schematics and a SMD rework system. And such an immensely high bar should not be forcibly put in place.

      But go ahead, continue being an apologist for abusive shifts in technology.

  10. how long be for a Rosa Parks or concentration camp by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    how long be for a Rosa Parks or concentration camp like thing comes up.

    Banning apps based on connect is pushing 1st amendment issues.

    Also there maybe anti trust issues as well now I don't think dell and say MS will be able to get away with selling systems that can't boot Linux or some other OS lets say apple open mac os x for more hardware and MS comes in and try to lock that out.

  11. Glitch in the Matrix... by fustakrakich · · Score: 3, Interesting

    11 of 9 comments loaded

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    1. Re:Glitch in the Matrix... by russotto · · Score: 3, Funny

      11 of 9 comments loaded

      We liked 7 of 9 so much we cloned her twice.

  12. Re:how long be for a Rosa Parks or concentration c by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Quite possibly they won't. But the case will drag through the courts for a decade, and eventually Microsoft would face a fine of a few hundred million dollars. I'm sure they'd be willing to pay that much, if doing so allowed them to destroy linux on the desktop almost entirely. We've been through this before with their bundling decisions: A seemingly endless legal battle, and while Microsoft eventually lost the benefits they gained from their anticompetative actions arguably outweighed even the record-setting fine.

  13. it's what people demand. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People are buying products like the iPad and Android phones by the hundreds of millions. People are demanding exactly that: computers that are controlled by the "mothership" as he puts it. That's Apple's entire business model, and they're the most valuable company on the planet right now.

    When that many people all want the same thing, it's inevitable than it will happen Those of us who don't want this world and refuse to buy such devices are in the tiny minority. We simply don't matter in any significant way to the market.

    1. Re:it's what people demand. by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      People are buying phones. They aren't buying computers.

      So your anti-geek screed is pretty meaningless.

      The fact that it is a computer pretending to be a phone is no more meaningful than a 68030 being embedded in your microwave.

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    2. Re:it's what people demand. by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 2

      In fact, most programmers have an iPhone or an Android and accept the fact that they don't and don't need to completely control that device. It doesn't limit what they can do on OTHER devices that they own.

      People without the technical savvy to manage a general purpose computer without support and restrictions don't NEED a general purpose computer without support and restrictions. They'll always be the bulk of the market.

    3. Re:it's what people demand. by robsku · · Score: 1

      People are buying products like the iPad and Android phones by the hundreds of millions. People are demanding exactly that: computers that are controlled by the "mothership" as he puts it. That's Apple's entire business model, and they're the most valuable company on the planet right now.

      A common claim, which I very much doubt. I don't believe that people buying these devices, apart from maybe small fringe group, even care about it - their willingnes to buy those devices would not dimmish if there was a simple way to install (slash enable installing) of 3rd party apps, for example, especially if it were not a feature that's enabled by default.
      And then there are people who are not buying these (except for Android devices, in which I believe it's very small number of devices where rooting the system is not extremely simple to do) exactly because of their walled garden approach - leading to, if my theory is correct, walled garden actually hurting the sale f those devices.

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  14. Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First, legally define what a general purpose computer is, and whatever regulation you think should apply to that, blah blah blah. Then all the same manufacturers you're complaining about now can say their computer is not that. Done.

  15. depends on intended users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Here is car/microwave analogy.. and forgive my crassness.

    A) Stupid or indifferent people want a computer (car) that just works and they don't have to/nor want to fuck with the innards. They want the computer to be microwave simple. 1) Put food in microwave. 2) Press the "30 sec" button repeatedly until they get the cook time to time they want.* That is it. (Or for the car: key, ignition, go. It came from the factory with everything needed and how it came from the factory is how it will stay)

    B) Slashdot "power users" car analogy is that of the muscle cars of the 1960s in the united states. They want to redo the suspension, the transmission. the engine, the carb(s), the differential, get it from the factory with aluminum instead of steel for the body, and have no federal E.P.A. emissions regulations.. straight pipes off the headers. They will get their hands greasy and it will not bother them.

    Economically, Apple and Microsoft and all the other players know there is greater market of people for A than B.

    Now, I do like the idea of a walled garden to protect the idiots from themselves without telling them "No" outright. (Just don't run as admin/root and you're 90% there, but most ISV can't or won't write code that works as non-root) I just don't want the walled garden applied to me. I don't need their excuse of "give me your freedom so I can keep you safe". I know how to fix my own car.

    * About the 30 seconds and microwave. for some it seems "time cook" + "5" + "0" +"0" + "start" is too complex.

    1. Re:depends on intended users by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Yeah. Sometimes you just want a phone that "just works".

      When I bought an Apple smart phone, what I actually got was something that I had to hack before it operated like my previous Nokia feature phones. I had to jailbreak it and write a shell script and mess around with an sqlite database.

      A phone that "just works" is a pleasant enough idea assuming that the relevant hardware vendor does their slieght of hand well enough.

      Anything that is supposed to "run programs" is by definition NOT an appliance. So any anti-geek screed is pretty irrelevant at that point.

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    2. Re:depends on intended users by fa2k · · Score: 2

      The analogy isn't perfect. It's not just that I want a computer with great performance. In the end, a car only exists for transportation (and to some: entertainment or shelter), and a microwave only heats food. A computer is like a TV to some, a telephone to some, a newspaper to some and many other things. A walled garden is fine for all these people. The problem is that a computer is a toolbox to some, with thousands of uses, facilitating all the other uses and inventing new ones.

    3. Re:depends on intended users by TheLongshot · · Score: 1

      Course, the problem with car A is that when things go wrong you either can't fix it yourself or you have to pay thousands to fix it. Sometimes, it is because of all of that stuff that makes is "simple" that makes it complicated to fix.

      This seems to mirror my experience with Android, when you have to do something beyond the bounds of just normal usability.

    4. Re:depends on intended users by bertok · · Score: 1

      To continue the car analogy, what Microsoft and Apple want is the "Plan C", where the if the car that you bought no longer "just works", you can't take it down to your local friendly mechanic, because the diagnostics computer interface is encrypted to lock out anyone but the car manufacturers' approved mechanics.

    5. Re:depends on intended users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they've actually tried to do that with real life cars, and got busted in the courts over it

    6. Re:depends on intended users by lexman098 · · Score: 1

      for some it seems "time cook" + "5" + "0" +"0" + "start" is too complex

      This might be a little off-topic, but the reason for this I think stems from shitty microwave buttons. Having to move your finger around *and* jam the button in sucks compared to the ease of just pushing on one spot a few times. It's literally cheaper to design for single-button functions than to make a better set of buttons.

  16. I don't buy GM by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The OnStar system is one of many deal breakers that would prevent me from buying a GM product; that along with a zillion horror stories. Seeing that many people feel the same way all this does is open up an easy way for competitors to compete. They just won't put that feature in. Their advertising becomes easy, "Look we didn't screw up your purchase."

    The only companies that will put these sort of features in are usually defending some other business model. So Apple will put in measures to defend iTunes. Google will put in measures to defend their store, and it looks like Microsoft is thinking about measures to defend either their OS or their store.

    But does anyone really think that the server manufacturers are going to make servers that make it hard to install Linux? Also Microsoft is becoming weaker and weaker. They certainly have some weight to throw around but even if they bully a few desktop manufacturers into forcing some protection onto their systems no doubt they will just release a "server only" motherboard that doesn't have any protection and is a complete copy of the desktop except something like the BIOS will boot up and say "Server BIOS". Not to mention that other MB manufacturers will just tell MS to go pound sand.

    Also does anyone think that say the Raspberry Pi will give a hoot as to what MS has to say?

    The real war on General purpose computing is the trend people using smart phones and tablets. These devices do almost everything the average user needs. It is the more power user types who need what is becoming the specialty hardware of a desktop that they can control. As a programmer I need to be able to install the OpenCV libraries and whatnot but my mother wants the fewest clicks to get to her mail.

    Also keep in mind that the seemingly locked down iPhone has done as well as it has due to the fact that it is far less locked down than the phones that proceeded it including the blackberry. Often you would buy a phone from Telus or Sprint only to find that they had crippled some features such as custom ring tones so as to sell you ring tones. When Apple introduced the iPhone they didn't let the Telcos crap up their phones. Can you imagine what the Telcos would have done to the iPhones if they could. All kinds of custom backgrounds, remove the app store and replace it with one of their own, make it so you can't upload your own music, can't surf via WiFi. Again these companies would have crippled the iPhone to protect their other business model.

    Again as a programmer if Apple were to lock down the next version of the OS, I would not upgrade and then begin exploring other options. As it stands my next phone will almost certainly be something like an Openmoko.

    PS The business model that GM seems to be defending is the fact that the government is their primary lifeline. They know who is buttering their bread and it certainly isn't the consumer.

    1. Re:I don't buy GM by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      They certainly have some weight to throw around but even if they bully a few desktop manufacturers into forcing some protection onto their systems no doubt they will just release a "server only" motherboard that doesn't have any protection and is a complete copy of the desktop except something like the BIOS will boot up and say "Server BIOS".

      ... and cost twice as much.

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    2. Re:I don't buy GM by vux984 · · Score: 1

      no doubt they will just release a "server only" motherboard that doesn't have any protection and is a complete copy of the desktop except something like the BIOS will boot up and say "Server BIOS".

      Not even that it. it will just be labelled an enthusiast board, and be an exact copy of the desktop bios except secure boot is user programmable, and all the settings are wide open. It might have to forego its "windows 8 logo certification" but they know enthusiasts will know exactly why.

      Linux desktops will be readily available well into the foreseeable future.

      The problem though is that an awful LOT of us got our first taste of linux and BSD and so forth by installing it on our "last years Dell". And that route to Linux may be dying out, because it may be very very difficult to get Linux to run on your "old PC or Mac" in the not too distant future, unless you had the foresight to buy "Linux ready".

    3. Re:I don't buy GM by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      The only companies that will put these sort of features in are usually defending some other business model. So Apple will put in measures to defend iTunes. Google will put in measures to defend their store, and it looks like Microsoft is thinking about measures to defend either their OS or their store.

      But does anyone really think that the server manufacturers are going to make servers that make it hard to install Linux?

      So next time I want to go buy something other than a server, who exactly do you suggest I go buy it from?!

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  17. Already there... by hamster_nz · · Score: 2

    The author has obviously never tried to get an unsigned device driver running under Windows 7.

    Having to switch the OS into "test mode" and jumping through other hoops is a real pain.

    1. Re:Already there... by lightknight · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Freedom, security, stability. Choose two.

      Most people have chosen security and stability. I prefer freedom and stability. If the machine is unwilling or cannot run the programs I create, I have no use for it (save it were an AI, but that's an entirely different situation); were I a carpenter, and my tools unsuited for carpentry, what use would they be to me?

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    2. Re:Already there... by amorsen · · Score: 1

      There is no technical problem with implementing a system where the owner of the machine has the root key. That gives you all 3.

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    3. Re:Already there... by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      were I a carpenter, and my tools unsuited for carpentry, what use would they be to me?

      [sarc]
      But...but...we must prevent racists from using those tools to make wooden crosses to burn on peoples' lawns!

      Only racists want carpentry tools that aren't designed/controlled by authority to prevent such bigotry and racism!
      [/sarc]

      Strat

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    4. Re:Already there... by lightknight · · Score: 1

      Sadly, those are the style and substance of the arguments we are hearing today.

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    5. Re:Already there... by Telvin_3d · · Score: 1

      Can a system that is not secure (and thus can't be trusted) ever really be considered either truly free or stable?

      'Freedom' for a professional programmer would represent a very different thing than 'freedom' for a political dissident who wants to be able to trust their computer.

    6. Re:Already there... by rrohbeck · · Score: 5, Informative

      Freedom, security, stability. Choose two.

      I have all three with Debian stable or CentOS.

    7. Re:Already there... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Freedom' for a professional programmer would represent a very different thing than 'freedom' for a political dissident who wants to be able to trust their computer.

      WTF? Shutup and give us your RealName so we can sell your data.

      Sincerely,

      Mr. and Mrs. Facebook-Google.

    8. Re:Already there... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Signing" posts is obnoxious.

    9. Re:Already there... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Freedom, security, stability. Choose two.
      Bulshit I run debian, and have all 3 in far greater measure then the 'competition'

    10. Re:Already there... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll all three plus Performance for $300, Alex.

      What is BSD?

    11. Re:Already there... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of coarse the other side is:

      Whaaa My screwdriver isn't also a socket wrench!

    12. Re:Already there... by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      "Signing" posts is obnoxious.

      Well, I'm happy that I gave you something to bitch about of such importance to the universe and the course of human history with so little effort.

      Enjoy. :)

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    13. Re:Already there... by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Ah, try running either of those distros on a version of glibc other than what they were supplied with. That is a recipe for a LOT of pain and likely less stability as well. If you do it with Gentoo the pain level goes way down, but arguably the stability is not as high.

      Freedom is only freedom if you can exercise it to do stuff not intended by whoever made the distro.

  18. Overblown by sqrt(2) · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I can still go to Newegg.com and order a bunch of commodity parts and assemble a general purpose computer, install a completely FLOSS operating system and all the software I want on it. I can load it up with quad GPUs for password cracking, terabytes of storage for all my pirated media and warez, run TOR and Truecrypt, and all sorts of other "evil" features. If there's a war on general purpose computing it's clear which side is winning.

    As it stands now, an individual has never had more access to computing power, bandwidth, and data than they do now. Yes, there are locked down boxes you can buy if you're not interested in all that, but individual components are still being sold. There's a thriving market for computer hardware that isn't going to disappear any time soon, and neither will the free software made to run on such hardware. As little as $35 (or whatever the Raspberry Pi costs) gets you a "general purpose computer", albeit a very simple and underpowered one.

    Walled gardens can peacefully co-exist without threatening general purpose computing.

    And as we've seen from every iOS device, even walled gardens don't keep people locked in if they are determined to leave. If you make compelling hardware people will always find ways to use it how they wish. I can easily take root control over my iPhone if I wanted to. Same is true for Android devices.

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    1. Re:Overblown by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I can still go to Newegg.com and order a bunch of commodity parts and assemble a general purpose computer

      Until every motherboard comes with a locked-down BIOS that only supports Microsoft/Verisign approached bootloader signing keys. Unless you are building your computer from discrete logic, this argument does not fly. We also have to worry about possible bans on general purpose computers connecting to the Internet (see e.g. ITU proposals for "next generation" networks, past proposals in the US congress, etc), or de facto bans i.e. ISPs/banks/utilities/etc. requiring a locked-down computer (and not everyone can afford two computers). This is not as simple as, "I can build one for myself!"

      Walled gardens can peacefully co-exist without threatening general purpose computing.

      Thus explaining the prevalence of not-locked-down cable and satellite TV receivers, DVD players, and video game consoles.

      as we've seen from every iOS device, even walled gardens don't keep people locked in if they are determined to leave

      Which is a nonsense argument for most users, and is simple silly -- you are suggesting that it is reasonable for people to have to attack their own computers just to run the software (or in a dystopian nightmare, compose the documents) they want to run.

      If you make compelling hardware people will always find ways to use it how they wish

      Yet someone who publishes a book on hacking cable modems is arrested. Do you really think the police would hesitate to arrest someone who is teaching people how to unlock their laptop's bootloader?

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    2. Re:Overblown by lightknight · · Score: 1

      The original manufacturers of software (operating systems and such) are experiencing some duress which is damaging to the field in general. In short, the Intelligence organs of the State are doing some terrible damage to the technology sector, and we cannot fathom why they have been told to f*ck off.

      If the people are hell-bent on being happy as enslaved individuals, being told when and where to think, I prefer to stand on my own. To this degree, I am not alone.

      I just find it very odd that the State is so interested in undermining itself. Distrust was spread because of their actions with capturing OBL and the vaccination program, and now they are interested in spreading distrust about machines (which is what happens when people are not sure they are their own; when you mandate backdoors; when you continuously use an iron fist inside a velvet glove to bend search engines to your pathetic wills). You take the good with the bad, or you only get the bad.

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    3. Re:Overblown by nurb432 · · Score: 2

      As long as we have discrete logic, old computers and silicon like FPGA, ( and someday leaked 'DoD' approved development machines when its impossible to get hardware ), the true hardcore will always have something to play with.

      But eventually i agree, when 99.9% of the world are in their walled gardens, and the risk factor of getting caught is too high even for most of the hardcore, "we" lost.

      But that said, for 90% of the world, its what they wanted, and will be happy.

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    4. Re:Overblown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "As little as $35 (or whatever the Raspberry Pi costs) gets you a "general purpose computer", albeit a very simple and underpowered one."

      And for an interesting idea, apply Moore's law to Raspberry Pi for a few years, it will get you a real computer so cheap that you can have one in each room of your house...

    5. Re:Overblown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      raspberry pi has locked bootloader bits. Your argument assfucked itself.

    6. Re:Overblown by PPH · · Score: 1

      And when the lockdown is legislated, the 10% who buy components will be tracked like the guy buying a truckload of ammonium nitrate fertilizer. Right now, the 10% can blend in to the rest of the crowd.

      Once the lockdown is legislated, new technology development will be driven out of 'the garage' where people like Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak, Bill Hewlett, and Dave Packard practiced it and into the R&D divisions of large corporations. And your new idea will never see the light of day if it doesn't sell more copies of Windows, iPads, or ad space on Google.

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    7. Re:Overblown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How long do you think they will keep selling MBs and CPUs in retails. That is the biggest concern. As long as you can buy parts and build your own
      there is no problem. This crazy Post PC thing will get to the point where most of the makers will only be making utility devices like tablets and phones
      with limited functionality. The market for DIY will shrink to the point where buying individual components will either be too expensive or completely
      impossible. Currently it is possible to buy individual components only because of demands from underdeveloped and developing countries, where
      the established vendors have not quite been able to penetrate the cottage industry of DIY pcs. More than 90% of the pcs sold in developed countries are made by some established vendors so the market for individual components is extremely small. Once this market in underdeveloped countries too becomes small
      the makers like ASUS or Gigabyte will have no motivation to build and ship these individual components. They will just supply parts to established makers, why worry about extra supply-chain hassle. I really hope this wont happen, freedom to build your own pcs and install whatever the fk you want should be possible for the coming generations as well.

    8. Re:Overblown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There will always be toys for developers to play with. Today's smartphones would be nothing if it weren't for third party apps.

    9. Re:Overblown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Walled gardens can peacefully co-exist without threatening general purpose computing.

      I think this is what really bothers some nerds. We aren't afraid that we won't be able to do what we want with our computers; as computer experts, we know we'll be able to jailbreak/root/hack anything we choose to buy. We're afraid that other, less knowledgeable people are going to be manipulated into using inferior computing systems by someone who benefits from doing it.

      Or does it not bother you when you see your parent using IE to search on Bing?

    10. Re:Overblown by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but look at what you're proposing. Old computers - presumably the reason I buy a new computer is that I'd rather not be using my old one. FPGA - sure, I guess I could use one to implement an i386, or maybe even an i486. However, there is no way an FPGA is going to be half as fast as even a fairly ancient computer, since the technology is just not nearly as cost-effective.

      And if you need remote attestation to get on the internet you have to add hacking into some chip on a brand new computer to the list as well.

    11. Re:Overblown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet someone who publishes a book on hacking cable modems is arrested. Do you really think the police would hesitate to arrest someone who is teaching people how to unlock their laptop's bootloader?

      That is a strawman.

      Cable modem is actual theft of bandwidth which costs real money to the ISP, much like stealing electricity is also theft.

      Unlocking a PC is no more a crime than to install an after market stereo in your car.

  19. Who really cares? by Sasayaki · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've got karma to burn, so here goes.

    As I get older I want to tinker with my machines less and I want them to just work more. That means that my home setup has gone from a half dozen servers all running a variety of Windows and Linux/BSD operating systems to one simple desktop with ESXi. All the VMs are backed up automatically, they're upgraded automatically (to stable versions -- I don't care about bleeding edge anymore), and they basically don't need to be touched for months and months and months. It means my desktop computer has gone from multibooting various flavours of Linux with Wine to just... Windows 7.

    Why?

    I just want things to work.

    I don't want to spend hours trying to get Wine to run World of Warcraft better, I just buy a new video card and be done with it. I use an iPhone because its working is binary; either it works perfectly, more or less easily, or it doesn't work at all and I'm not tempted by some half-broken package that if I tinker with it enough will be mostly stable (this version). It just works or it doesn't, and there's nothing an iPhone can't do that I care enough to go Android. Who really care if you can't telnet to your phone? Really?

    Windows 7 just works. My iPhone just works. That's what I want my machines to do.

    After all, if you work for your machines, who owns who?

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    1. Re:Who really cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who really care if you can't telnet to your phone? Really?

      OMG! The Ponies! Won't someone think of the ponies, butterflies, rainbows and prancing unicorns set free by telnet!

    2. Re:Who really cares? by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I just want things to work.

      Me too -- when I instruct my computer to play a movie, copy a file, or print 1000 pamphlets criticizing the government, I want it to do what I tell it to do.

      I don't want to spend hours trying to get Wine to run World of Warcraft better

      So complain to Blizzard -- what does that have to do with running a free operating system? Blizzard ships malware with WoW; why are you not pointing the finger at them for failing to deliver an easy to use, malware-free product?

      I use an iPhone because its working is binary

      No, whether or not any particular program works is binary, and that decision is up to Apple. Do you consider a product that will run an email program but will not run a political cartoon program to be working or broken?

      Who really care if you can't telnet to your phone?

      That's a red herring and you know it. Hardly anyone is trying to telnet to their phone, but large numbers of people have been told that their program cannot run on iOS for one arbitrary reason or another -- it performs bytecode translation, it might offend Republicans, it might offend Democrats, it might enable jailbreaking, etc. Your iPhone only does what you want as long as Apple approves, and Apple's approval process is not about stopping you from telnetting to your phone (though I must wonder why they would even care), it is about making sure you keep paying them and the politicians stay happy.

      After all, if you work for your machines, who owns who?

      Funny how my laptop running ScientificLinux does everything I ask it to do without first checking with CERN...

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    3. Re:Who really cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I for one welcome our hackable robotic overlords if the alternatives are regulations or monopoly.

    4. Re:Who really cares? by jmbeck15 · · Score: 0

      This honestly has nothing to do with his article. I highly recommend you read it.

    5. Re:Who really cares? by fyi101 · · Score: 2

      I just want things to work.

      Why are "Things just working" and "General Purpose Computing" in opposition? You see, that's just the thing. After a certain point of adding and adding restrictions, things will just "not work". I mean, you said it yourself regarding iPhones:

      ...its working is binary; either it works perfectly, more or less easily, or it doesn't work at all...

      I can understand how this "seems" to be a nice thing (maybe if iPhones where 20 bucks a unit, and you could buy them from a vending machine along with a sandwich)

      After all, if you work for your machines, who owns who?

      You imply that the choice is "(in Soviet Russia) you work for machine" xor "machine works for you", when it's more along the lines of "you work for YOUR machine" xor "you work for THEIR machine". In any case, this is all nothing but empty expressions. I think there is a balance between "just works" and "tinker ready". I don't see how this things are mutually exclusive, if users are sufficiently warned about the problems of tinkering. Are we talking about "walled gardens" or "walled prisons"? Real walled gardens are supposed to protect from intrusion and protect children from wandering off, not protect from entry and preventing everyone from escaping. The good thing is that the nature of general purpose computing means putting TRULY EFFECTIVE limits on certain activities almost certainly means crippling the machine in some important way. The bad news is... that the nature of general purpose computing means putting TRULY EFFECTIVE limits on certain activities almost certainly means crippling the machine in some important way. And given the nature of computers as an extension of ourselves (like all tools), this means crippling OURSELVES.

      Windows 7 just works.

      Inigo Montoya:You keep implying that Windows 7 is an example of "tinker proof walled garden". I don't think you're implying what you think you're implying...

    6. Re:Who really cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bytecode translation is banned on the App Store? That's fucking retarded.

    7. Re:Who really cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kill yourself, retard.

    8. Re:Who really cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cool story bro.

    9. Re:Who really cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's funny, but you are talking past each other.

      You have a diatribe and he is the target.

      Congratulations on not understanding a single thing he said.

    10. Re:Who really cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doubly irrelevant at this point but I had to add that WoW runs flawlessly under Wine with minimal configuration, including their "Sentinel" program and self-updating launcher (if you disable peer to peer downloads).

  20. "I can't let you do that, Dave." by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Funny

    Except in this case it's "They told me not to let you do that, Dave."

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    1. Re:"I can't let you do that, Dave." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are more right than you think and your comment should be modded insightful instead of funny, if you read the book(s) you would know that what hal really meant by "I can't to let you do that, Dave." was: "They told me not to let you do that, Dave and you can't know that because this mission have one more objective which you are not supposed to know."

      Those contradicting objectives made hal go terminator on the crew. So much for programming supercomputer to lie.

  21. Same exact thing with cars by gig · · Score: 1, Interesting

    A car with a computer in it that prevents the car from hitting another car also prevents you from deliberately ramming other cars. We use our brains to make a judgement that it is worth it on balance. And no, we can't make a car that never ever crashes, but we can take legitimate steps to reduce crashes significantly, and in fact it is immoral to do any other thing.

    The main thing people want from a computer is also not to crash. Not just literal crashes where the kernel panics, but also getting a virus that takes the machine down, or having data stolen, or being added to a botnet, or even just doing something that requires the user to stop their own work and put on an I-T hat and do some maintenance. We have to do everything we can to reduce those crashes, because again, it is immoral not to. If a computer wastes 30 minutes of a user's time per week, that is more than one day of their life per year your lousy computing product is stealing from that user. And 30 minutes per week is low.

    Once again, Doctorow describes a Nerd Utopia where the other 90% of humanity die in car crashes and spend a day or more out of every year working around unproductive computer behavior. All to satisfy Nerd Dogma. The 90% is not interested. They did not even buy PC's — nerds did, business replaced their typewriters with them, and then sales topped out at 350 million per year, making up an installed base of about 1 billion PC's at any one time. The regular person does not want a general purpose computer that can configure. They want iPods: an easy-to-use device that has 100 specific features that never stop working, does specific tasks in a transparent manner, and yet provides the benefits of computing, and gets better via software updates.

    iPad is not a general purpose computer — it only does about 1 million things. However, the regular consumer, armed with a general purpose computer can typically accomplish only a handful of things, and all of those are well within the 1 million things iPad does. That is why Nerds say iPad does less than a PC and everyone else says iPad does more.

    A general purpose computer is like a workshop where you can go in and with a little work, make any tool. To some people that is Nirvana — to most, it is a grim jail cell. An iPad is a Swiss Army knife with 1 million tools inside, all ready to use. Nerds have to understand, for most people that is not just enough tools do they don't need a general purpose computer, they are also thankful that iPad has saved them from PC's. And there are plenty of True Nerds who find an iPad on the coffee table is Just Fine Thank-You. The monster workstation is still there in the Nerd Cave for your bash scripts.

    To me, I don't think you have to do anything more on this issue but compare the first 5 years of Windows XP malware (seemingly infinite — at one point XP malware was the majority of Internet traffic) to the first 5 years of iOS native malware (zero.) END OF DEBATE. The iOS devices were online most of the time via various wireless networks and had no I-T managing them. They went from 16 native apps to 600,000. iOS should be awash in native malware but it has zero and that is the MINIMUM acceptable behavior for a consumer computer. An iPad has to be as reliable as paper.

    And BTW — the same company that makes these blasphemous consumer computers that don't crash, also runs 4 giant developer programs (Mac, iOS, Safari, iTunes,) one of the most successful open source projects ever (WebKit,) and their instructions for how to make iTunes Extras/LP include bash commands. There is another side to the coin. They are serving the consumer computing user with iOS which does exactly what they want and serving developers and creatives with the Mac, which can do anything. To Buddhists, Mac OS and iOS are yin and yang, it is obvious. You can't make one thing for everybody. Doctorow is assuming that there will be only one kind of computer, either general purpose or not. No. Nobody is taking away your Unix. (Your Windows is

    1. Re:Same exact thing with cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Once again, Doctorow describes a Nerd Utopia where the other 90% of humanity die in car crashes and spend a day or more out of every year working around unproductive computer behavior. All to satisfy Nerd Dogma. The 90% is not interested.

      This is brilliantly put. The vast majority of the market does NOT want what nerds what, and the nerd-rage this causes is astonishing to see sometimes. People want devices that are safe, reliable, and "just work". If that means handing control of the device over to Apple, then that's what it means. And in actual fact, that is what is happening, and to the rage of nerds everywhere, it seems to be what people actually want.

    2. Re:Same exact thing with cars by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Interesting

      To me, I don't think you have to do anything more on this issue but compare the first 5 years of Windows XP malware (seemingly infinite â" at one point XP malware was the majority of Internet traffic) to the first 5 years of iOS native malware (zero.) END OF DEBATE

      End of debate? Really? I would have thought the debate ended when Apple decided that the Bush II countdown app was not allowed on iPhone because it might offend Republicans, but then again, maybe I care more about free speech than I care about run-of-the-mill viruses (don't think for a moment that an intelligence agency could not create the iPhone equivalent of Stuxnet).

      Nobody is taking away your Unix

      This is not about Unix, this is about my ability to run the programs I want to run and to use my computer to do the things I want to do, and yes, that includes my ability to copy files without permission. If I want to run an Obama countdown app, why should I be prevented from doing so? Heaven forbid Democrats might be offended, right?

      It is a sad day when we can honestly say that Windows users have more freedom than Linux users, but that is where we are now (but not for much longer it seems). Everyone loves it when their computers "just work," but when their computers start saying, "No you cannot play that movie, "No you never purchased 1984," and "That file is not allowed to be printed, except for a few author-selected paragraphs" people will suddenly demand their PCs back -- and by then it will be too late.

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    3. Re:Same exact thing with cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well what is there to say, people are stupid - after all, people on a regular basis vote against their best interests, why expect them to do better with their wallets?

    4. Re:Same exact thing with cars by PPH · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nobody is taking away your Unix.

      UEFI came close though.

      A better car analogy would be the (unsuccessful) attempts made back in the 1970s to regulate auto power to weight ratios. The mother hens in congress were bent upon killing off the muscle car market. Fortunately, they were laughed out of that attempt. In some European countries, cars capable of higher speeds were to be taxed or outright prohibited. So you got cars with speedometers that maxed out at 85 MPH (125 KPH). Even though the car could keep going.

      Sure. You can still have your Unix. On a $25K workstation. Just like the old days, before some crazy Finn ported it to a 386.

      And no, we can't make a car that never ever crashes, but we can take legitimate steps to reduce crashes significantly, and in fact it is immoral to do any other thing.

      We don't legislate morality. This isn't the Soviet Union. Or Saudi Arabia.

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    5. Re:Same exact thing with cars by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      It is a sad day when we can honestly say that Windows users have more freedom than Linux users

      I'm not sure I understand this right... do you mean Android, or something else entirely?

    6. Re:Same exact thing with cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe I am an optimist, but closed systems have a way of getting hacked. Look at every single game console. These are some of the most locked down pieces of hardware and every one of them have been hacked to run unsigned code for homebrew and pirated games. If Microsoft made a huge push for TPM chips and UEFI, how long before it was hacked to run an alternate OS? More importantly, do you think that every computer manufacturer in the world will go along with Microsoft's plan? Sure they have an enormousness amount of clout in the western world, but do you think the China and India care? Sure those companies will go along with Microsoft but I guarantee they will continue to cater to the market for people who don't want that crap.

    7. Re:Same exact thing with cars by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      TiVo? Android? There are places where the Linux kernel (and related utilities) are being deployed in a way that prevents the users from accessing hardware, running their own software, etc., and it is being done to a greater degree than it is being done with Windows (at least for now -- we will probably see a change with Windows 8).

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    8. Re:Same exact thing with cars by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      That's the other side of being open source - it's an obvious platform to build various products on, including the not-so-free ones. So long as regular desktop Linux (and open mobile versions, like MeeGo or Tizen) exist, I don't really see that as a problem.

    9. Re:Same exact thing with cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure. You can still have your Unix. On a $25K workstation. Just like the old days, before some crazy Finn ported it to a 386.

      Doubtful.

      There was a lot of competition back then for Unix workstations, the reason they cost that much is because that's how much they cost to make, or rather, since the workstations were for developing applications to run on big servers, it was to meet volume quantities to cover the R&D to build the big machines. It costs a lot to design a machine, and when you only have a few 10thousand customers, you have to spread that R&D cost out pretty thick over them. Of course they knew if you wanted Sun servers, you needed Sun workstations, SGI servers, SGI workstations. The competition was in the server pricing, so the workstations had to be expensive to feed R&D.

    10. Re:Same exact thing with cars by Graham+J+-+XVI · · Score: 1

      This should be +5, best post here.

    11. Re:Same exact thing with cars by Jiro · · Score: 1

      No, that's not true.

      We even had a story a few months ago.

      Nobody has successfully hacked the 3DS or Vita yet (the only "hack" for the Vita is actually a PSP hack that runs inside the PSP emulator). A successful PS3 hack requires keeping the operating system at a certain revision, which most people will have already passed and cannot use, and a successful Xbox 360 hack only runs on certain kernel versions and requires modification that is beyond most people's expertise.

    12. Re:Same exact thing with cars by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Well, that is more of a bug in the GPLv2, depending on your viewpoint. I mean, if all you cared about was open source, but not free software, then you'd license it BSD in the first place...

    13. Re:Same exact thing with cars by justthinkit · · Score: 1
      So you got cars with speedometers that maxed out at 85 MPH (125 KPH). Even though the car could keep going.
      .

      Part of that persists, last I checked (_quite_ a long time ago). If you drive your car in excess of 85mph and press cruise, cruise will engage...and your car will slowly decelerate...to 85mph.

      I would be curious if this is still true in 2012, and for what cars.

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  22. People aren't idiots for wanting things that work. by Brannon · · Score: 0

    ...and you're not a genius because you like to fiddle with half working crap. Get over yourself.

  23. Engineering Workstations & Servers 4EVA by RickRussellTX · · Score: 1

    The Death of the PC has been predicted many times. I can believe that the modern surge of high-powered phones and tablets will displace laptops, but general purpose computing workstations? Engineers and scientists need lots of computrons in close communication with local high-speed storage and graphics hardware, so consequently there will always be a stream of low-to-mid-range server technology feeding into general purpose computing workstations, and so there will always be something for hobbyists. I suspect that any significant regulatory forcing in this ecology would affect scientific and engineering innovation to such a degree that any nation implementing draconian technology restrictions would soon find itself at the bottom of the heap. Those who allow free technology will define the next generation.

    1. Re:Engineering Workstations & Servers 4EVA by Microlith · · Score: 1

      Obviously those people are professionals and can spend thousands on the hardware. Also, since they're professionals they'll either need to be licensed or work for a licensed corporation/institution.

      I suspect that any significant regulatory forcing in this ecology would affect scientific and engineering innovation to such a degree that any nation implementing draconian technology restrictions would soon find itself at the bottom of the heap.

      Well the US is already on its way there anyway, I don't see why more laws favoring large corporations would hurt.

  24. Re:People aren't idiots for wanting things that wo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and you're not a genius because you like to fiddle with half working crap.

    More intelligent than the other imbeciles, though.

  25. Your topic is irrelevant... by rmdyer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    People should at least know a couple of things. Some companies make computer hardware, and some companies make computer software. Software is something that works on computer hardware. It "can" be the case that the same companies who make the the hardware could also make the software, but this is NOT implied. In the past, we've had the pleasure that we could get our software from anyone because the PC design philosophy was "open".

    The standard car analogy may suffice here. Some companies make cars. Some companies make gas. We don't buy "Ford" or "Chevrolet" gas do we? But the analogy gets deeper than this. The gas is seen as the OS in this analogy. We figure that if we put in a single type of gas, example "Ford" gas, we can still travel where we want. But the problem is that the "Ford" gas will only work on certain highways that the car maker will allow us to go down. Going forward in the computer industry, this exactly what is going on. If you use Apple computers and devices for example, you can only view the world through Apple's lens.

  26. Torchwood by devent · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Do you know Torchwood? The very first episode was that the policewoman find Torchwood and gets in the headquarter. After she gets out Jack drugs her with an amnesia-pill and she runs home and write everything about Torchwood in her PC before she fells asleep and forgets everything. Before she almost felt asleep, Torchwood control her PC, the PC goes blank and everything she wrote is gone.

    Free operating systems are a thread to every government, because such controls are impossible on a system that can be modified by the user. If you think it's scri-fiction: the TPM chips are around since at least 2006.

    TPM is for "Trusted Platform Module". Of course the "Trusted" part is that a third party can trust your PC that you didn't change it in any undesired way.

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    1. Re:Torchwood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The TPM chip can't even do that, dumbass. UEFI Secure boot, yes, Intel TXT yes, Intel SMM, yes, TPM no.

      The TPM is just a smartcard that you can't remove from your computer. It allows YOU to prove the identity of your machine to a third party. This of course can be used for DRM, for example so you can only play an online game from a machine that is registered, but it can also be used for lots of useful things, for example I use TPM to authenticate thin clients against a terminal server, so that an adversary has another barrier, they can't just snoop the password, they also have to physically obtain a legitimate terminal (which will hopefully be reported stolen and deactivated).

    2. Re:Torchwood by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      TPM allows for remote attestation. That isn't just identity - it can also certify that the software is in some particular configuration. How do you think all that fancy passwordless full-hard-disk encryption software used in the enterprise works?

      You stick a bootloader on the hard drive that can decrypt the hard drive, then you encrypt the rest of the hard drive, and store the key in the TPM chip, telling the TPM chip to only release the key if the system was booted from a bootloader with some particular signature. So, if you boot off of anything but the trusted bootloader the key is stuck in a hardware vault, and you can't read the rest of the drive.

      You can set all of this up on linux if you want - Trusted GRUB is a bootloader that preserves the chain of trust, and the linux kernel has supported this for ages. So, you implement passwordless full-disk encryption using linux and if your bootloader or kernel changes it won't be able to read the rest of your drive.

      That attestation can be extended to remote hosts as well - besides asking the TPM to authenticate your identity it can also authenticate the stored boot configuration chain, assuming your OS created it in the first place. Nobody uses it to do this now, but the hardware necessary to do this is present in almost every working PC on the planet.

  27. War on General Purpose Computing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the immortal words of Benjamin Franklin:

    "Those who are willing to trade Freedom for security deserve neither."

  28. Re:how long be for a Rosa Parks or concentration c by kamapuaa · · Score: 1

    As much time as for a Rosa Parks or concentration camp like thing comes up!

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  29. "The pen is mightier than the sword" by Paracelcus · · Score: 2

    And the pen of today is the PC, the evil empire fears the computer more than they fear guns, bombs or riots! "They" can crush any armed resistance like swatting a fly, "they" can subvert, obfuscate, terrorize, propagandize, manipulate the uninformed population with a constant stream of artfully crafted disinformation! Creating "Dire emergencies", "deadly boogimen", one "crisis" after another, thereby keeping the unsophisticated, sufficiently frightened and therefor easily controllable! The PC and the Internet allows the average person the ability to do an "end run" around all the lies, fabrication and propaganda being spewed by the government/corporate controlled media.

    Without open source software and a free and public Internet, REAL, open, barefaced, undisguised, tyranny would already be here.

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    1. Re:"The pen is mightier than the sword" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the pen of today is the PC, the evil empire fears the computer more than they fear guns, bombs or riots!

      Yes, of course. Which is why you need a license to possess general purpose processors and motherboards. And why you can by full auto AKs from newegg.

      You're partly right; obviously governments would prefer people to have neither the power of guns or general purpose computers.

      But let's keep things in perspective.

      "They" can crush any armed resistance like swatting a fly

      Absolutely. Assuming they're willing to nuke their own back yard.

      If they don't want to do that? Well, then we're talking about cost. See Iraq, Vietnam, etc.

    2. Re:"The pen is mightier than the sword" by Paracelcus · · Score: 1

      " Assuming they're willing to nuke their own back yard."

      Yes they are, it was created in the 1950's to thwart a possible Soviet "invasion", it was and still is called "the garden plot" a plan to nuke American territory if it fell into enemy hands, Johnson considered using it if the countries violent riots turned into full scale revolution.

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  30. General purpose computing is easy and convenient by erroneus · · Score: 2

    Special purpose computing is a maintenance intensive task and a management nightmare on any large scale.

    It can be done. It's called "ROM" code. The computer device should ONLY run code from the address space reserved for ROM chips. Forget about the convenience of loading programs into RAM for execution. It leads to compromises.

    Updates, patches and the latest awesomeness will just have to wait. And when [security] bugs are found, you just have to turn the thing off until someone can come along with a new ROM.

    People don't want PITA systems like these. They are expensive, slow to deploy and all sorts of things like this. Before anyone says "CD/DVD ROM" please don't. Just don't.

    Cheap and convenient invariably creates holes in security. It's just the way things are.

  31. Re:how long be for a Rosa Parks or concentration c by Miamicanes · · Score: 2

    Let's not go overboard here. Microsoft is far from being saintly, but at the end of the day, Microsoft is largely indifferent to the existence of desktop Linux.

    Microsoft views desktop Linux kind of like the tiny black ants you see walking behind the toilet after a week of thunderstorms. You could go get the ant spray and wipe them out, but then the second floor will smell like ant spray for the rest of the day, and it would mean having to go downstairs, hunt for the ant spray, go back upstairs, and use it.

    More importantly, from Microsoft's world view, half the computers running Linux have a paid OEM license for some version of Windows anyway, and the other half are owned by people who, if you backed them up against a wall and forced them at gunpoint to give up using Linux, would buy a Mac. If Linux annoys Microsoft, it's only because Microsoft is forced to stop and find some way to accommodate it.

    Server Linux? Yes, that annoys Microsoft. Android? Hell yeah, that annoys Microsoft even more. But Desktop Linux? Meh. Barely even on the radar. Now, if somebody fights back against Metro by porting KDE or Gnome to Windows 9... well, THEN Microsoft might get really annoyed and notice...

  32. Re:how long be for a Rosa Parks or concentration c by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

    Banning apps based on connect is pushing 1st amendment issues.

    It's not, because a private entity does it. The 1st only restricts how the government may censor you.

    This, by the way, is also why both Rosa Parks and concentration camps are a complete non sequitur.

  33. War is a big word. by joocemann · · Score: 1

    It is ridiculous to see 'journalists' wash away the importance and implication of the word "war" with this popular loose application b.s.

    There is no army of organized funding and violence to include killing many humans and destruction of societies in these "wars". A war on women? A war on net neutrality? A war on gp computing? NO. Bad choice of words.

    War is a big word.

    1. Re:War is a big word. by joocemann · · Score: 1

      How does it feel to know that the attention you garner is not from the value of your post, but rather the deliberate inflammatory nature of it?

      Trolling is a habit that neglected/ignored children exhibit to gain attention. I'm sorry the habit for getting attention has carried into your adult life. Most people, from healthier upbringings, learn that the merits of their claims and actions are the cause for attention. I wish you the best in your future and that you may someday draw the benefits in life that come with appropriate behavior.

  34. Ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's ironic when Microsoft finally decides to get serious about computer security people complain that they're losing control. People complained when XP made you run everything including your web browsing as administrator. Now people complain because Windows 8 will block host file changes, SmartScreen will make it much harder to run malicious programs, and the new application model has better security.

  35. Bad Ideas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This guy sounds like a dick

  36. Non exclusive garden example by DrYak · · Score: 3, Informative

    A walled garden does not preclude allowing the ability to turn it off. {...} They could quite easily add an 'opt out' and let people install outside software at their own risk.

    As an example of a non obligatory garden: the webOS system from Palm/HP/Gram, on Pre smartphones and the like.

    Out of the box your Pre/TouchPad is the classical walled garden example:
    It has a application manager, which lets you download or buy applications from a official repository of doctored applications.

    But if you want to use your device in creative new way, you need just to type 1 command to switch the phone into developer mode. This command is well documented in the developer documentation. (The only draw back is that the first version was a little bit long to type, because it was a joke on the komani code. later versions introduced shorter alternatives). And then you can do pretty much anything you want with your smartphone/tablet. including installing any software of your liking. Or even installing an application manager which can also use homebrew and opensource repositories. (= Preware). And once you've finished sideloading external software, just switch back into regular mode and continue using your new homebrew apps or the new app manager.
    There are no need for hacking, for exploits, for stolen keys, etc.

    Using this is at the owners' own risk. But if you corrupted your smartphone/tablet by installing too much weird shit, there's the webOS doctor which is designed by Palm/HP/Gram, to revert back your hardware to factory default. (Though you lose anything you did which was not backed up on the cloud. You lose your homebrew applications. But not the personal assistant data).

    And a non-locked android smartphone works in the same way, letting the user do side-loading or replace the firmware altogether.

    BUT

    Apple and Microsoft decided they didn't wanted to do it that way. They are trying to do as much as possible to prevent going out of the walled garden.
    Apple refused to let users do anything else than get applications from the Apple AppStore and at some point even tried to sue against circumvention.
    Microsoft is at the center of a controversy due to their abusive requirement regarding the ARM version of Win8 and the Secure UEFI booting.

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  37. and t he Pirate software movement.... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    Get's it's justification. I always ran the pirated versions of games on my PC, because they were more stable with the DRM removed. Now it seems that legitimate software users will also benefit from the Pirated software sources as it will not have the self destruct or report home capability.

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  38. The problem: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We want to do whatever we can think, because some things are wondrous -- like having a system to build things called "Materialise".

    We don't want to be able to do the things which are horrible, because some of us would really do them -- for various reasons, including for no particular reason.

    Want to have it, want to not have it.

  39. I think Cory's dead right. by hillbluffer · · Score: 2

    It's _VERY_ likely in the future that if your software/hardware is not "blessed" by your government, it will be illegal to own, and you will be blocked from accessing any network, including the internet. This neatly stops things like Wikileaks, offenses against the media, etc, etc. What, this is unthinkable?... Weeeeeeeeel, The iPad's selling in record numbers, and ALREADY does this, by design. Unless Apple loads the software in the "App Store" it _cannot_ be loaded onto an iPad without "jailbreaking" it. And most sheeple are just fine with that. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPad#Digital_rights_management It's only a short stroll to making that kind of behavior lawfully required for _ALL_ computing equipment. After that, no more worries about proving what IP Address belongs to whom; just prove that you "unlawfully" hacked hard/software to make it do something the government doesn't want, and throw you in a cell.

  40. Everything has a dark side by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    The sad thing is the fact that legislators and do-gooders fail to understand duality. Everything, and I mean everything, can be used for both good and bad, used and abused. A piece of rope has lots of useful applications. It also can be used to strangle someone or tie someone up against their will. A knife can be used to prepare food...or to slit someone's throat. Do we legislate against the potential misuse of these things i.e. try to prevent someone from buying a piece of rope because they might hang themselves? Or take more nebulous concepts such as legislating against so-called hate speech. Who decides what hate speech is? You? Me? And on what basis? Gut reaction? How it makes you feel? Why is what some talk show hosts or politicians say acceptable to one group yet considered hate speech to another? And why are the same "tests" not applied equally?

    The simple fact is that it all boils down to someone's interpretation of a concept as to whether or not it's good or bad. You can legislate all you want and never solve the problems. People will always find a way around it. (And legislators don't really care about the efficacy of their laws because they're only interested in getting reelected saying "Look, I tried to do something, vote for me").

    Technology will always be subject to misuse. Trying to prevent it is a waste of time and money. Trying to prevent Darwinism from thinning the herd only weakens the gene pool.

  41. Result will be a bunch of single-purpose applets by knorthern+knight · · Score: 2

    First of all read http://www.ranum.com/security/computer_security/editorials/dumb/ item #2. You cannot "enumerate evil". Similarly big brother will find that they can't come up with an all-inclusive blacklist of "evil apps". There will *ALWAYS* be something they haven't thought of.email

    Instead, it's much more effective to whitelist "harmless apps". So you'll end up with...

    * an email applet
    * a spreadsheet applet
    * a chat applet
    * etc, etc, etc

    Either that, or the "general purpose applet" will be Facebook... bleagh.

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  42. Re:how long be for a Rosa Parks or concentration c by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

    Linux on the desktop is nothing today, but it still poses a threat because of what it could become. Particually in developing countries, where few computer owners can afford a windows license - their options are linux or pirate windows. Most choose the latter. Linux isn't much of a competitor, but on the desktop it's the only competitor Microsoft has.

  43. Only ourselves to blame by MrMickS · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If the end comes, which I don't believe just that general purpose computers will go back to being a more specialist/expensive tool, then we, the technologists, will only have ourselves to blame.

    The reason this is happening is because we have just cared about the other tech users. We've poured scorn on people that click on the wrong link and download a virus. We've tutted at those people that don't know what a file-system is, or why one is better than others. We've laughed when we've heard that someone is still running Windows ME. In short we've cared about ourselves, and our needs, rather than the needs of everyone.

    If we had tried to make things simpler and harder to break, but still retained the flexibility, we could probably have done it but it was cooler to rewrite a device driver, or develop a new filesystem/GUI. We didn't, and this is the result.

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    1. Re:Only ourselves to blame by Plammox · · Score: 1

      Amen.

    2. Re:Only ourselves to blame by Burz · · Score: 1

      The open source crowd hasn't helped that situation much, either. They are really keen on reminding themselves that they're only coding to scratch their own itch.

      I sometimes try to make a point here and elsewhere that even though Linux distros try to standardize on libraries/APIs below a certain level for coders to use, the UI itself is an interface like an API and needs consistency for the sake of users. An interface is a contract to offer functionality in a consistent way. This ought not to mean coders only stabilizing interfaces that are of particular interest to other coders, but in FOSS that's how it plays out because the Linux Foundation will scarcely touch the issue and distros like to officially support between 3 and 5 DEs.

      Officially offering anything more than 1 is crazy. But the distros (all of them, even the so-called easiest to use) are caught up in the hacker mentality and they all have the same politics of "choice" that eschew a standard UI. They are hypocritical because in most distros they are not exerting pressure for totally different kernels or shell environment.

    3. Re:Only ourselves to blame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.

      The reason this is happening is because we have just cared about the other tech users. We've poured scorn on people that click on the wrong link and download a virus. We've tutted at those people that don't know what a file-system is, or why one is better than others. We've laughed when we've heard that someone is still running Windows ME. In short we've cared about ourselves, and our needs, rather than the needs of everyone.

      No. We installed ubuntu for them, and it would have worked just fine*. But they begged to have windows back for app compatibility.

      But then, when mac osx / android / ios / arm came along? Suddenly that app compability argument goes out the window.

      People need corporate marketing to make it seem shiny. They need to see advertisements to give them the perception of value of the os. They need the TV man to validate their choice. Because, apparently, it's better for the TV man to choose for you, rather than choosing yourself or having a trusted friend / relative choose for you.

      No, if things had been done our way, it would have worked out just fine. Don't apologize for problems you didn't cause. Guilting you into doing so is a standard enemy tactic.

      * yeah, i know, ubuntu then, not ubuntu now

    4. Re:Only ourselves to blame by robsku · · Score: 1

      Officially offering anything more than 1 is crazy. But the distros (all of them, even the so-called easiest to use) are caught up in the hacker mentality and they all have the same politics of "choice" that eschew a standard UI. They are hypocritical because in most distros they are not exerting pressure for totally different kernels or shell environment.

      What? Since with most distros the default automated install will install exactly one (1) default desktop I will assume that the evil you're talking about is offering alternative WM's and DE's in official repositories and that they should only be available from 3rd party repositories and/or to be installed by compiling from source - needless to say that this is not your regular dumb but just silly.

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  44. What people are looking for (a generalization) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Here's what I see a standard user looking for application-wise in each device category (regardless of tech-savvy).
    1. On a smartphone/small portable: short games, music, photos, search, social connectivity, convenience apps (calorie counter, etc.)
    2. On a tablet/medium portable: everything listed for phones, ebook support, movies, e-mail
    3. For a laptop/desktop: Everything listed for tablets, AAA games, office software, storage, photo/video editing.

    As you get more computing power, your needs become more general. I think that we will see basic users move away from the desktop paradigm and into the laptop/tablet/phone setup. For a current $800 laptop you can do pretty much anything you want. AND as device connectivity gets better you will be able to use a laptop as a media source for your tv, etc. I don't think IT departments will go the same route because it's so much easier to keep desktops working with part interchangeability. This means there should be a market for desktops for the forseeable future (just maybe not at your local store).

    Now to the real topic: you have your hacker desktop sitting in front of you, can you use it to do whatever you want with it? I would generally say yes you can. Knowing how IT depts work, and how many of them need to have control over what software is on a workstation, I believe that there will be SOME way to get program X working on desktop Y. Otherwise software vendors and companies that use them are going to get very pissy, very quickly. And there are a lot more established software vendors than I think Apple and Microsoft can take on. If there's any hiccups in a DRM policy (likely), Windows-compatible operating systems may magically come into the public eye.

    Your standard user may not want general computing, but it's pretty much required in our current workplace society. Still, it never hurts to stand up for freedom.

  45. Re:General purpose computing is easy and convenien by Chrontius · · Score: 1

    What about a device that fits in a 5 1/4" bay, bears a slim optical drive, and a tiny SSD? The SATA write commands are ignored by the controller; if possible, the relevant lines are physically cut off from the motherboard. They instead lead to a slim optical drive; when a disk is placed in the drive, and a (recessed, molly-guarded) switch is pressed, the device's ROM code instructs the disk contents to be flashed onto the SSD. If you can be certain your image supplier is trustworthy, you can distribute the images over the internet with minimal fuss (and a lot of standard public-key cryptographic authentication to ensure the image isn't tampered with in transit).

    The only attack surface I can see is the ROM code in the OS drive's loader, and compromising the OS vendor. Cracking AES is also possible, but there are other more lucrative goals for a black-hat hacker with the keys to AES' kingdom.

  46. Please explain why this in not Troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your ad hominem attack is not supported by any counter argument as to why his extrapolations are invalid.

    "Pro-piracy". Really?

  47. Re:how long be for a Rosa Parks or concentration c by Burz · · Score: 1

    Now, if somebody fights back against Metro by porting KDE or Gnome to Windows 9... well, THEN Microsoft might get really annoyed and notice...

    Wow, the delusion here is so intense its hard to look at. :)

    The very idea that Windows users would buy into the mentality that their cohorts and support desk people should have 8 or 10 different UI environments to choose from is ludicrous. I know that's not exactly what you meant, but it doesn't make sense that you'd port an alternative desktop to Windows without also importing the culture that produced the alternatives. Windows has had its own (few) desktop alternatives in the past and it will once again, and no one will be under the misapprehension that troubleshooting and maintenance all be done in the CLI just because desktop alternatives exist (because Windows will come with a standard desktop even if some people don't like it).

    The sad truth here is that Desktop Linux mostly annoys the consumers who encounter it, and a big part of that annoyance is the DE conundrum.

  48. Almost a non-entity by Burz · · Score: 1

    People in developing countries are probably even less prepared to deal with the amorphous nature of 'Desktop Linux' than are people in the more developed countries.

  49. Why the TPM "certainty" model is broken by fa2k · · Score: 1

    That is a long article. I stopped reading after the section on TPM (looks interesting, but I don't have the time right now).. The argument about TPM is flawed:

    According to TFA, the TPM allows the user to install keys for any bootloader they want when it is in "certainty" mode. I have never seen this option in the BIOS, so it has to be possible to install keys after the OS has booted. The TPM cannot take over the UI of the computer, because it isn't directly connected to the keyboard and mouse, so the UI for adding new keys has to be produced by the CPU. This means that any sufficiently advanced malware can also do exactly what the "add keys " UI does and install its own bootloader keys. A possible objection is that if the OS only runs signed executables, the malware wouldn't run in the first place. There are many problems with this argument, but even if we assume that is true, the OS could be written to only load signed executables without a TPM. There is no logical connection there. For malware, the TPM is at best like MAC address filtering on WLAN, adds an extra inconvenience for the attacker.

    The other purpose of the TPM in TFA is to protect against physical attacks. Assuming again that keys can only be added after a valid OS is loaded, the protection actually works, and it would also work with a password-protected BIOS. I'm sure there are again many interesting attacks (maybe you can even load a different OS by overwriting memory using a FireWire device, and the TPM will think you never rebooted). There are also tonnes of other mischief hackers could do to your HW, but it's usually detectable. The problem is that you are worried about *someone stealing your laptop, then returning it to you with a keylogger or something*. I bet that many people for whom that level of paranoia is justified wouldn't trust that the NSA have snuck a little key into the TPMs by default.

  50. land of the free by StripedCow · · Score: 1

    The US with its big corporations and lawyers is becoming too restrictive.

    It is time to move to a different "wild west" which is actually in the east.
    China, land of the free!

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  51. You realize I can't allow you to do this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The solution here is easy: hand over control to the MCP.

  52. Geeks vs. Joe Sixpack by cdrguru · · Score: 1

    The problem that we face today is that "general purpose computers" need administration. In a corporate environment they get this from the IT department. In a geek home, they get this from the users. In Joe Sixpack's home there isn't any at all.

    The end result of this is Joe Sixpack's home computer is laden with trojans, viruses and malware. His banking information isn't safe and neither are credit cards or any other financial information. His computer is used by others to send spam and to infect other computers on the Internet. Needless to say every once in a while Joe gets his computer fixed (or replaced) and he isn't happy about the cost of doing this. When one of his neighbors gets an iPad and he sees the functionality without the risks he is sold and he will never go back to a PC that needs administering but doesn't get it.

    The geeks are (of course) offended by this move. In many ways the response needs to be "Too bad, the marketplace has spoken."

    When Joe Sixpack also happens to be involved in the government at some level this takes on a whole new aspect. Why should the government not take steps to protect other Joes from what he has experienced? Why should their private and financial information be at risk? We have pretty much proven that anti-virus and anti-malware software doesn't work, so that isn't a solution. The walled garden approach or the restricted functionality Internet appliance approach works and fits in well with what most users really want.

    Of course you are going to see legislative moves to push people further and further towards solutions to the malware problem. And this is a good thing because we cannot as a society continue to tolerate unadministered computers that are actively being used against their owner's interests.

  53. that cant have gone down well at Google by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

    They are ultra keen on the locked down walled garden approach with the chrome book.

  54. Use the 2nd Amendment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A GPP is the most important thing a well regulated milita could have today so the 2nd Amendment should be invoked to protect our right to arm ourselves with information. Let the lawyers figure out the details,

  55. give me a virus by peawormsworth · · Score: 1

    When friends tell me how wonderful life is with an iphone or ipad, I always ask them how they expect to install a virus. Because if you dont have the option to install a virus of your choosing then you really dont control the device and it is not a computer. We often think of a virus as undesirable, but in reality it expressed one thing: full control over the hardware. No viruses = limited control. At some point a virus will be something you will want to get. Like the one that will sweep across the world moving from router to router. The one that will open up the massive free worldwide wireless bandwidth we all have sitting mostly idol on our locked down routers right now. When that happens, many will find themselves scrambling to remove the security measures on their routers in order to allow the virus to improve their computing lives.

  56. Sticks and stones by westlake · · Score: 1

    A) Stupid or indifferent people want a computer (car) that just works and they don't have to/nor want to fuck with the innards.

    Calling the tens or hundreds of millions of people who side with the Apple, Microsoft or Amazon product "stupid" simply takes the geek out the game. You've given them no reason to care if the OEM hardware manufactuer writes the geek off as a profitless niche market.

  57. 5 + 0 + 0 doesn't even work on some now by justthinkit · · Score: 1
    You press "5" and it starts "Express microwaving" your food. You want 25 seconds? Too bad, you press "2" and away it goes for 2 minutes. Metro-fication is everywhere...
    .

    And while we are on the insanely stupid things that microwaves do and we can't stop them doing...it used to be that when you popped the door open (after the cook time finished) the beep(ing) would stop. Now you get a beep for the door opening, and four beeps you can't mute. All thanks to Yet Another Interface Spiralling Out Of Control (pronounced Yay-Suckage!).

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  58. Halting problem by Randym · · Score: 1
    "Make me a general-purpose computer that runs all programs except for one program that freaks me out."

    Isn't this just another version of the halting problem, with mathematics replaced by politics?

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  59. Re:how long be for a Rosa Parks or concentration c by robsku · · Score: 1

    The sad truth here is that Desktop Linux mostly annoys the consumers who encounter it, and a big part of that annoyance is the DE conundrum.

    Apart from people (mostly who aren't part of the group they refer to) on internet criticizing desktop Linux I have not seen this... And I have some 1st hand experience, as I have turned a couple "average Joes" and a bunch of non-experts with better than average computer skills into Linux - I only remember two people who were actually happy about it when I gave them an alternative DE to supplement what they did not like (one didn't like the default interface and one had machine which ran quite a bit smoother with XFCE).

    I did notice a certain growth in doubt towards Linux from couple Windows users who saw my Ion 3 desktop, but I countered that with explaining that it's a minor league alternative environment I installed and configured myself for my specific needs, and demonstrated the default Gnome and XFCE desktops to them - after that I was left with the impression that, if anything, they felt that the choice was a good thing.

    Distributions offer quite well configured default DE's, and mostly, I believe, average users don't much bother themselves by thinking about other DE's - there's no reason for them to care, and that pretty much crumbles the argument that the number of available alternatives is a negative thing for success of DE Linux.

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