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Google Blocks 'Innocence of Muslim' Video In Indonesia and India
hypnosec writes "Google has blocked the anti-Islamic video, which was posted on YouTube, in Indonesia as well as India. YouTube has already denied a complete removal of the clip 'Innocence of Muslims' that mocks Islam and Prophet Mohammed. The video has led to protests and violence across the Arab world. The foreign ministry spokesperson of Indonesia and India have confirmed that Google has blocked access to the video. Indonesia has also asked RIM to filter the video on its smartphones."
What happened to freedom of speech, Google? You are the one that always cites of freedom of speech when denying removing material, yet you now block access to videos? Or does freedom of speech only concern the U.S.?
Google has let itself go. They are no longer the freedom loving and defending company they once were. All went downhill after the failured product Google+.
Have you guys tried to use Google? They are constantly trying to guess what we want to search, up to the irritating point. They don't supply the search results we want, they supply search results for another queries they thought we wanted instead. We didn't!
What comes to Google+, they really did a bad choice there. There is a reason why pseudo-anonymity like nicknames is common in internet. There are people that are so against something you say that it gets you into trouble. That is when and why we use nicknames. But nooo, Google+ demands real names for everyone. It's Google's way or the highway.
Google is only little about openness while most of their stuff is actually closed source and closed ecosystem. They have both and in a way that always suits them better. There are in fact more closed systems than open, just see Google's search engine, adwords/adsense, youtube etc.. They only use and support open source when they can't be bothered to do all the work. In a way they steal from open source projects and hardly ever bring anything back.
So in fact this is old problem with Google's products. Other products too... Hell, just look at Google+. It's a perfect copy of Facebook and a product that greatly emphasizes closedness. They are even more closed than Facebook as currently they only allow very few developers to be make apps and games for Google+. I mean it's been like this for ages. It feels like they've given up all hope about Google+. They're just thinking how to phase it out now that they made the whole thing such a big thing, like including it in search results etc. But Google+ is dying.
Android is about the same shit Google has thrown at us multiple times. They only open it because they used Linux as the base. They wouldn't open it otherwise. In fact they've even ignored GPL multiple times when they've been late to open up their sources as required. Android is only open because it has to be.
Google tries to close it, be no mistaken. They require you to pay lots of money to Google if you want to use any of the Android trademarks, logos or name on your product. You don't get any of the Google apps if you don't pay up and stick to Google's "standards" (which are there to limit competition, like in this case). You don't even get to give your users access to Google Play so that they could buy and download apps and games. No, you don't get any of that. It's Google's way or the highway.
That being said, it doesn't surprise me at all that Google is doing like this. They are scared of the competition in China because they can't get Chinese people to like their products. Google China failed miserably too, and they tried to use "ok China is baad mmkay" as an excuse for leaving. The real reason for their escape was that Google China was failing miserably while Baidu was winning as search engine and other Chinese social networks and market places were winning as such. Google just didn't have anything to offer to Chinese people.
And you may wonder what they are afraid now? Well, of course the same Chinese companies. Both North American and European finances are going to shits and Asia just keeps growing. They are already much bigger than US and their GDP is only growing. Soon they are much larger market than we are and that is when things really start rolling and happening. Google is very afraid of that and tries everything it can to limit competition in China. Google is afraid of losing.
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Apparently freedom of speech applies only when it's convenient. Sounds a lot like the model in China where only specific protests/violence are "allowed". Way to go Google for adopting the China model. Maybe they'll let you back in!
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Pass it around, Free Mohammad.
Are they going to block this image from the Onion, entitled "No One Murdered Because Of This Image"? After all everyone tells us that Muslims are no worse than people of other religions, so surely this insult to Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, and Judaism will have the members of respective religions storming embassies and murdering people all over the place?
If not some people might suspect that Islam really is a more violent and savage religion than the others
I believe there is a delicate balance between having and holding values and imposing them upon others. I don't deny that the violent reaction is itself an imposition of values; however, I posit that traditions of free speech can withstand the assault and our culture is unharmed by demonstration of respect. Where as, I am not confident that opposition cultures with outspoken and violent counter-mainstream elements -- unsteeped in and intollerant of traditions of free speech -- are capable of withstanding the intense pressures of cultural imperialism.
I think it is entirely appropriate, for regional stability, diplomatic relations, and national security to consider being judicious in how we share our culture, how we respect minority voices (while at the same time reserving the right to disagree), and how we permit individual members of our society to cause harm through negligent speech or action.
Within the boundaries of our civil society remedy can be sought for harms; however, when the reach of members of our society extend beyond our sphere of influence with ramifications and consequences (blowback) that cause harm or create disruption (directly or indirectly) for our society...it is the duty of governments -- as representatives of the people and charged with the safety and security of the people (and society) to take action.
In this case Google is taking action, but whether it is taking action of its own accord or at the insistance of governments...it is action all the same. I can understand how this would make the EFF and/or the ACLU twitchy... but when it comes to human life, there IS a price that is too high to pay for free speech relative to the time value received in return (or time cost extracted from humanity as a whole).
87% of Indians are not Muslims, and are not going to care one way or another about this movie. What was the need to block it here? Let them block it in dar ul Islam, which includes Indonesia, Malaysia, Bangladesh & Fuckistan, but does NOT include India.
Strange, how the blood-thirstiest Americans on all subjects Islamic are those who have avoided - or, all too often, evaded - wearing one of the uniforms of this nation's military.
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"Muslim world rising against America" is your shock doctrine for this election, please vote accordingly and against your own interests.
Noone would be trying to watch this without the Streisand effect. I can't see how anyone could take such a terrible piece of filmmaking seriously. Hell, it doesn't even make fucking sense most of the time, it's just so disjointed and jarring. Blocking it worldwide would be doing humanity a favour.
Doesn't matter. Muslims already here can slaughter them and others who disagree with them at will, like in Ft Hood, SLC Mall, UNC and so on... various Muslim attacks on American citizens who probably thought that there's nothing wrong with them. Until Americans and other non Muslims from Anchorage to Auckland say GFY to Muslims, that's how it's likely to be.
Specific video have been region blocked for a long while. I can watch many video even from game because it is blocked in germany due to copyright reason. So if you block due to one law (copyright) you can block due to anotehr law (incitation at blasphemy or whatever the law is called there).
I am not saying it is good or bad or anything, it is jsut business as usual and local law compliance.
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this is not about freedom of speech, this is about not angering the animal. say, even if u had the right to poke the monkey in the cage, would it be wise to do it?
freedom only works when the involved partys can reason, and have reasonable education. this is not true about large parts of the world.
the people in the middle east are not human beings, as it is today. their minds can not handle higher functions like duality, humor, poetry, analogy and such...
they are animals, posessed by an abstract entity, Muhammed. be polite and hard towards them, but do not provoke or insult them.
Religious people offended by
...and let's face it, YouTube blocks based on 'country' more than anyone else based on nothing more than COPYRIGHT. How is this a surprise?
The video has now been blocked in Malaysia as well. I guess this request and removal phase is going to go on for a few days. Pity!!!
why do so many of its adherents riot and call for executions every time someone does/says something vaguely (or not vaguely) insulting? Some idiot preacher in Florida says he's going to burn some Qurans and half the middle east goes up in flames. Someone draws a cartoon of Mohammed and gets murdered for it. Now some dopes make a movie and embassies all over the world are under attack.
The official line is that the violence is perpetrated by "a few extremists" but when I watch the news I see hundreds of thousands of people fighting with police, burning cars and buildings, attacking embassies, etc. Peaceful? Really?
Religion, stupidity, and politics are a bad combination.
Jews didn't control much of the world oil, making them filthy rich with little to do to keep their exploding population happy. (The arab "spring" was just a lot of young people with an education and no jobs getting fed up with doing nothing. Even in Libia which could afford to have an enormous essentially un-employed population)
Jews are one of smallest groups in the world, Muslims one of the biggest.
Jews don't hijack aircraft.
There is no mass immigration of jews into atheist countries from Jewish countries and then trying to turn their new homeland into a muslim state. Muslims are fleeing muslim controlled countries, then trying to convert their new country to be run the same way. See Sharia4Beglim and Sharia4Holland. England already has Sharia courts.
Need I go on? Stop comparing the conflict with Islam with nazi germany, the differences are gigantic and the parallells are at right angles to each other.
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Let's just give people an option in their web browsers to filter content. Perhaps a similar option to "do not track" we can have a "stick head in the sand" option?
Perhaps better described as; "If I can't see you you can't see me too"
On a more serious google is a multinational business. As a business it must protect its revenue. A good business knows better than to anger it's customers. When you will anger them anyways, you choose the lesser of two evils. Perfectly understandable on their part.
Besides, the people that really want to see the video will find a way.
About the video...yes the video is intentionally provocative and at the same time it does not preach violence. It makes a mockery of a religion.
I'm not a scholar of Islam but I am told that a Muslim must always try to represent Islam in a positive manner. If anything such an approach would lead one to behave in a manner that was better.
Is this how those people hat are burning flags and embassies want to represent Islam? will this lead people to respect your beliefs?
Just because some people believe in some unicorns does not mean it's special. Does not mean it demands respect. Heck it can be a genuine fact based belief and still would be made fun of.
I believe that humor is the real offense to totalitarian regimes, the real danger to unilateral and undisputed rule.
A 'singular oddity' is an event that cannot be explained and only happens when you are alone.
I really don't care... Really. This is just the latest excuse someone somewhere tossed out for the reason that muslims are killing people... again.
If it wasnt this video it would be some cartoon. Or maybe a book. Or a newspaper. Maybe just something someone somewhere did or said... or didnt say.
You can't deal with a religion that wants everyone else dead by saying ' i respect your right to religious differences' and pandering to them.
It's just not gonna work.
Someday the world is gonna have to deal with the muslims in a much stronger tone. A good chunk of them don't seem to be compatable with the rest of the people on the planet.
Doesn't look like that's gonna change anytime soon either. In fact it seems to keep getting worse.
The longer you wait to deal with the problem. The worse it will be to deal with too.
These are just angry poor people who want someone to blame for the injustices and inequities in their lives, there is no coherent ideology, kinda like poking bees. They deserve our sympathy for the pathetic uneducated lives that they leave. Despite all this, how we treat them is a test (of sorts) for how far "we" have progressed from them.
I actually like what they are doing here.
Refusing to take it down entirely is good. Blocking it in countries where the authorities want it blocked is also good. Refusing to do that would be a typical USA "we know better than you" move, and that is a big piece of the reason why the US is hated in so many places around the world.
If people within the country don't like what their government is doing, it is their job to solve that problem. If they need help, they can ask for it. Don't force "help" on people who may or may not want it.
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This still not blocked in Pakistan. Google should block it in all the Islamic countries.. India is not Islamic country however after Indonesia it has the 2nd largest Muslim population.
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Indosiar (one of the largest TV networks in Indonesia) is running a vicious anti-Hindu series "Sembilan Wali". The Balinese are upset but they aren't beheading anyone.
"The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old......They literally know nothing." - Ben Rhodes
We're being told night and day that these protests are against this video and not a general uprising against the US and its policies, yet when you watch coverage of the mobs they don't seem to mention it at all. This is the propaganda work of an administration desperately trying to get re-elected.
This morning, Sept 17, 2012, I've been watching and listenting to reports of riots and civil unrest all over the World - from mostly international sources.
While the American news sources are focused almost exclusively on the Middle East, their are riots in China, Japan, S. Africa, Western Europe, etc ....
NONE of them are about Islam. They are all about economics.
Deep down it's the same with the MIddle Eastern riots. This piss-ant video was just a the spark or an excuse for the riots.
ANYONE who thinks these riots are really about Islam being "insulted" is horribly provincial and uninformed.
An example of something similar in the States would be the Occupy Wall Street protests. It's really not about Wall Street "greed". It's about young people pissed off about the percveived lack of economic opportunities and jobs that are available to them - exactly the same reason all those young people in the Middle East are rioting. Give'em jobs and they'll be back in their homes.
We have BILLIONS of people trying to get a slice of the ecnomic pie and the pie isn't growing fast enough for us all to have increasing standards of living. Hence, the haves are getting more and the have nots are being left in the dust.
But go ahead, blame the video and Islam because that's what the media is telling you.
And go ahead be a smug that you have a nice life because you were smart enough to get a degree in the right field in the right country and live in the right are.
If this keeps up, YOU will be affected - if not already.
There is nothing that indicates this was a purposely manufactured or media overblown event.
*cough* *cough*. Yeah, right.
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"And the idea of using something that some people consider sacred and then parading that out a negative way is simply inappropriate and wrong," [Romney] said. "And I wish people wouldn't do it."
I'm not going to justify the actions of any extremists, but keep in mind that most of us hold certain concepts sacred. This can be anything from our social norms, our privacy, our way of life, and our national beliefs. There are many many hot button issues....this isn't just unique to religion. We usually live in environments and consume media that censors most content we find objectionable. YouTube is an exception because it has the ability to broadcast content to the entire world, to a people who may have different belief systems from ours. Personally, i think this video should be banned completely. Its express purpose is to offend by specifically targeting the beliefs that uniquely define a certain set of people. Its not art, debate, information, humor or balanced satire. The single reason it was made was to get a reaction. It's that reaction from extremists which gets the attention, but what about the vast majority of more moderate people who are offended by this too? Freedom of speech is important, is isn't anything that has any kind of merit to justify that defense. Before you argue otherwise, think of something you hold extremely sacred...what would your thoughts be if someone expressly produced something that was specifically designed to deeply offend those beliefs?...not debate them, or hold them up for examination, only to offend.
All I've seen is a max a 14 minute trailer. Is this supposed to be the whole movie? 5 million dollars to create a terrible trailer? The movie probably doesn't even exist.
On one hand, believing God X is the one and true; the controller of all; omnipotent in every way, and on the other hand, killing people over the lamest and poorly done parodies to defend God X almighty? Make up your mind: is God X an unassailable, infallible supreme being, or a 98-pound weakling that must be defended from bullies kicking sand in his face?
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It's made out of pig shit and it depicts the prophet having gay sex with Allah.
Now go burn something down, fucktards.
Every angle of this one shines a light on some horrible aspect of human nature. Why would someone make the video in the first place? Why would anyone believe their God ever would want them to hurt or kill sentient beings, especially over a taunt? The situation is so sad, the "freedom of speech" and censorship issues are actually an also-ran here imo. Increasingly I call our world the planet of the apes.
Would it kill the Muslim culture to get a sense of humour? It seems every single time a video is posted that is apparently "offensive" we get wars, protests and freak outs. If a Christian sees a picture of Jesus eating a hot dog we laugh and close it or just don't do anything. If a Muslim notices a picture of Muhammad eating a hot dog seven mosque's get blown up, acts of terrorism get spoken against the free world and people get killed. Here is a new idea, laugh or ignore but shut the F up, radical Muslims are children maturity wise, time to grow up a bit.
people dont rise up and have mass riots when parody of the christian god figure is made fun of ... i dont understand the violence in relation of a film of
or other used for joke material same for JC
someones' opinion based most likely in ignorance
those countries have no problems with videos bashing Christianity, etc...
I would think that slashdot'ers were more intelligent. In code perhaps you are intelligent, in geopolitics your a bunch of fucking MUPPETS.
t isn't a movie doing this bullshit, it's the STATE DEPARTMENT where they use state secrets to cover up the corruption they execute. I been telling you this crap for four years now. Still you don't listen, you talk about movies and free speech, and where to post shit, how to get past the powers that be with proxies, tor, and rooted boxEn yet you fuckers can't grasp reality beyond the motherfucking television set.
Wake the fuck up. YOU are causing the problem.
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Meanwhile (government complicit protest) China about to declare war on Japan?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/postcards-furious-china
Maybe when you wake the fuck up it will because you are now DRAFTED because of the monetary collapse because there's no fucking difference between Republicans and Democrats who are both corporate and foreign driven.
You did sign up for selective service after all. You had to have paid attention to that. You signed it, saying it was correct, under penalty of perjury.
So my only question left for you is, when you raise your hand to swear that oath, the part where "to protect the Constitution" will you actually protect the constitution or will you just fight in another undeclared war, under the direction of the treasonous untouchable unapproachable fucking scum running our government take away your god given rights?
Of course like yesterday, there will be about two hundred comments to squish this on off the bottom. That's not a coincidence either.
Still no one murdered because of this offense to Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism.
But, there's no shortage of twats on Slashdot and elsewhere making excuses about how offensive the film is, the intent of the producer, it's not Islam, it's about economics, this is only a trigger, bullshit, blah, bullshit, blah, bullshit.
What about the cops in Los Angeles picking up the film's producer for "questioning"? What the fuck is that about? How is that acceptable?
Blocked in India? I just checked, and I can still see it.
Were it not for violent reaction to that awful movie, I would have never watched it.
Frankly I wonder if Muslim's would not be better off if they had condemed the movie, but not made any big deal out of it.
Now that it is officially censored, we can be sure that people will jump through hoops to watch it.
I am in the process of making a film that insults your imaginary friend. hope google censors it after you make a big deal about it
artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.
I watched the trailer over the weekend, and could not stop laughing. There are so many obvious jokes in there it's crazy. In fact, this could be the 21st version of Plan 9 From Outer Space. It's that bad, it's good.
Jews are famous for their self-deprecating humor but Catholics too have mercilessly made fun of their own faith. It was a great liberator because it was not always thus. Once, religion was deadly serious and to question let alone make fun off, that is heresy and that gets you killed.
A joke might not seem like much but it forces you to not take things to serious, it was essential in tearing down the ivory towers of religion and force it to become accountable. And this was not something that has stopped. The chaos in the Catholic church now people are talking about its abuses is just part of process. For decade, no, centuries, people knew and did not nothing.
For evil to triumph all that is needed is for good men to do nothing.
The so called moderate muslim, does nothing. This leaves a tiny handful of reformers who are often prosecuted or killed (Pakistan can't even protect its ministers, what hope does a normal civilian have) fighting the extreme elements who have the backing of countless hangers on, protected behind the veil of silence. Moderates might not agree with all the extremists do but you stick up for your own, regardless what.
A very recent case in Holland has a man under arrest for having had sexual encounters with over 200 boys. How did he manage to go undetected with so many victims? Well, people knew, but didn't speak out. The community is a closed one and they keep their troubles to themselves...
There are countless such cases in history and far bigger ones, hidden behind walls of silence and false respect. But humor has created cracks in this facade. In holland, the catholics created the 8 may movement, which basically told the pope to mind his own business. It allowed people to ignore the church doctrine and make up their own minds on birth-control, on politics, on marriage. On everything.
For modern free youth, it is hard to realize just how controlled religious communities are. In certain place, if a young couple is married and has not produced a kid after the first your, the pastor comes by to have a talk.
This control is not nice control, it is to make sure everyone walks the line, no dissenters, no free-thinkers. It is very effective. If you don't question, you don't challenge to status quo and those in charge like that.
Read up on some of the practices of popes, these weren't devout people, they were depraved men who craved power above all else. And they got away with it, because they were beyond question.
But humor, that challenges everything, breaks down the most powerful with a simple line or drawing. Don't believe me?
How tall was Napoleon? He was in reality above average height for french men of that age. It was a cartoon drawing that started the idea that he was a small power crazed war monger. A British cartoon made at a time Napoleon was kicking limey ass.
Spitting Image, a British satire puppet show, ripped politicians and others in power to shreds, and changed politics forever. People remembered the caricature better then the real person.
In my life time, the same joke has been done twice. The pope speaking and having underwear thrown at him as if he was a popstar. Caused mild affront but was considered part of a free society. The same joke was done off the Ayatollah (the previous one) in Germany. It caused a crisis, the comedian had to be protected and politicians fell over themselves to try to a peace Muslims.
It wasn't always allowed to joke about the pope, the christian faith. And the Muslim leaders KNOW what humor lead to and they don't want the same to happen. So anyone who dares to question, make humor, challenge, is silenced. Silenced most of all by moderates who do nothing but silently support the extremists by their inactivity. If you donate to your mosque even when you know the money goes to extremist, turning a blind eye to does, still makes you a supported of these extremists.
Western leaders are at a loss about how to deal with it. In the west, the crumbling of organized religion just seem
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By "more enlightened" read dhimmi.
And by dhimma you mean members of other Abrahamic faiths that follow scripture (Jews, Christians, and Sabians) living in majority-Muslim countries, correct? Of course people of Abrahamic faiths need to be encouraged to see their similarities and love one another. What point are you trying to make exactly?
how did this particular video become relevant to all these Muslims? Something seems off about why this became important and the timing is suspicious right before the US election.
I say pull out all the call centers in India.
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November 1 is "Burn a Holy Book Day". Light a bonfire and burn the holy book of your choice film it and then post to YouTube, FaceBook et al.
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Recently there were two cases of FGM (female genital mutilation) discovered in the muslim community in Sydney , and now this.
Muslims already have a bad name here and have been accused of shoving their way into Australia on boats and trying to get sharia law instated (in Sydney, no less) on the grounds of how many muslims there are in one area
Of course that doesn't stop them from trying..
Now words like islamophobia are being thrown around while a 8 year old muslim girl calls for deaths
Harken also to the darling child with the sign stating that anyone who insults mohammad should be beheaded
They most interesting thing about all of this? Combine this together and you have muslims fleeing their countries due to war, war caused by islamic based religious differences, muslims attempting to replace existing laws with mediaeval sharia law in other countries, threats and actual violence in multiple counties for a video made in America, muslims cutting their female children's genitals and one little 8 year old girl calling upon her kind to wage war.
I do really wonder if she will feel the same way when they take her into a back room, hold her down, pull off her panties, and cut off her labia and clitoris. Perhaps this has already been done, and this bile and hatred we see from this 8 year old girl is due to the constant pain and misery she is in and will be in for the rest of her life.
I won't hold someone's beliefs against them. If you tell me that you think that a magical pony that shits rainbows helps you get through life then I will thank you for sharing your unique view of this world with me and get on with my life. Threatening me my family or my country is quite another thing. Actually attacking me, my family or my country just provides physical proof of suspected intentions.
I have to go now, my uncle took a glass bottle to the head recently, thanks to some people who came here from another country claiming that they were being threatened and wanting to get away from the war in their home land. How sad.
When was the Innocence of Mulsims completed?
Not when was it uploaded, but when was it completed. I sense something wrong in the force here...
but I have not heard one Catholic priest say that child abuse is right
What you say and what you do are two different things. If you decry violence against women, but beat your wife (or support people who beat their wives) behind the scenes, then you're either a thug, a hypocrite, or both.
No, they may not "say" that it's OK. But they knowingly covered it up many, many times, moving offenders around to abuse other children rather than having them face the law.
The character Otto was (almost) completely removed from the film because it offended Zionists.
Most theories are wrong. So we shouldn't like theories because they are wrong most the time? Conspiracy theories are common, proven and every bit as legitimate as other theories - most of what the FBI does is investigate criminal conspiracies. Clearly they are not so poor as to devote a whole federal police task force to dealing with.
The problem is with people who cling onto a theory and make up new theories to keep the old one going -- more like creative writing or brainstorming. The conspiracy theory can be totally reasonable but like any theory it can be lumped together with a whole lot of unreasonable theories. This is when the theory becomes a belief and a religious like defensive behavior invokes imaginative thinking. In this society we have somehow decided that conspiracy theories are automatically a lower class of theory. They are not and there is no logical reason why they should be. you prove they are lesser theories as you believe they are.
Politically related theories always involve MULTIPLE PEOPLE and therefore they are almost all going to be conspiracy theories. Politics brings in a lot of emotions and religious defensiveness. Look at global warming and how a really strong non-political theory is attacked by politics. Luckily, being a scientific theory there are no experts willing to risk their reputation by making up crazy defenses (or feeling they need to do so) but instead the opposition is making up the crazy stories to attack it even going so far as to try strawman attacks by lumping made up claims onto the science - like how the head of GM claims incorrectly that scientists claimed we'd be under water by now. I don't know of any such claims; he must have wanted to misunderstand 100 years to be 10 years or something like that.
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Google believes in freedom of speech unless there's a slight hint of it having an effect on their profits. So basically freedom of speech only has PR value to them. So that makes them just like any other corporation. No real surprise there.
I wrote this on Facebook and G+ last week, and figured I'd share. The down side of the Google block is that it makes it harder for Muslims that are offended to verify information like below.
The anti Muslim movie trailer currently causing and uproar is a fraud, and was created and intended for that purpose. Here is what you should consider and share with friends, especially those who are Muslim.
The alleged producer is labeled "Sam Bacile". This name has been used for a long time as a pseudonym for "imbecile". In American English, say the name of the producer as a single word, then the word imbecile and you will immediately see the resemblance. Several people have tried to locate "Sam Bacile" since the movie trailer first made appearance, and there is no such person to be found.
The way the pseudonym works in English, is not that the producer is an "imbecile" mind you, but rather you are an imbecile for believing the hoax.
If you watch the trailer you will see that it is extremely poor quality. The whole trailer is filmed in a green screen with a few props. The film is cheap and chintzy almost to the point of being comical, if not for defaming a Religion.
Voices have been over dubbed on top of movie actors lines. This is extremely apparent through out the trailer. Offensive lines are read without anyone being in screen on several occasions, or actors lips are not moving at all. Match the lines with the actor's and actress's lips, and you will begin see that this is a ruse.
Consider that you and a friend were at a coffee shop discussing the food, while a third person video taped the conversation. Then they took the tape home, and every time someone said a sentence they recorded their own voice over the original audio defaming a Religion. This appears to be exactly what we have in this trailer.
According to information with the release of the trailer, the "Sam Bacile" alleged that "hundreds of rich Jews" paid for the movie. What a better way to anger people and generate a reaction right? Not one person is named as funding the movie. This makes it more apparent that the movie trailer is a hoax intended to simply increase tensions between people of different Religions.
I understand that it is against Muslim beliefs to depict or view images of Muhammad. I take no issue with that belief but will ask that if given my scenario above with friends in a diner, is that really Muhammad because someone dubs words over the real voices and says the name? If not, perhaps more Muslims can view the trailer for themselves and determine the same as I. That this is a hoax created with the intent of harming people in both Muslim and Jewish faith. If you see that I am correct, then perhaps we can focus on finding and punishing the people that generate these scams instead of harming each other.
People that generate hoaxes, like this one, are the most despicable people on Earth. I have my suspicions on who is behind it, as you probably will also. We can't find or prosecute them if we are to busy fighting each other, and I'm sure that they take glee in that fact.
It's not as if the protesters actually need to watch the clip to know how offensive they find it, or why.
So far the full movie has only had one poorly-attended screening in Hollywood. It's not online. The YouTube clip is a short preview, and it doesn't appear that the violent protesters even had to watch *that*. Someone they trusted told them they...I mean their prophet... had been insulted, and that was enough.
Muslims are fleeing muslim controlled countries, then trying to convert their new country to be run the same way.
you've never met a Muslim who's actually fled their home country have you? hell i'd bet 50/50 you've never had a real conversation with one of Islamic faith. everyone i know certainly does not want to turn this country into something like where they came from (hint: there's a reason they fled.) generally those with enough power who's anti-west statements you hear did not need to flee their home country, and those on the streets inciting violence are just lapping up what they say (and like do not know what their hometowns are like)
It is interesting to note, however, that complaining about how one's new country is not like one's old country is a common staple in *any* immigrant community. I spent years living in Japan, and one sliver of the gaijin community there loved to complain that Japan wasn't the UK/US/Australia etc, and go on and on about how XYZ thing about Japan should be just like it is in the UK/US/Australia etc, and then everything would be so much better.
So there's a certain amount of what the GP says here that rings true. But with their blinders so firmly in place, they probably haven't noticed that this is something that all humans do, to some extent, when transplanted to a new country and culture.
Cheers,
"What in the name of Fats Waller is that?"
"A four-foot prune."
Speaking of animals, here is a picture about Nigerian Muslims protesting the movie by crucifying a CAT
http://news2.onlinenigeria.com/news/top-stories/195435-muslim-youths-in-nigeria-crucify-a-cat-on-the-cross-to-protest-anti-islam-film.html
You stay classy, Mohammedans!
All those dajjali peoples supporting anti-islamic movie are the one from the family of people who killed our prophet jesus p.b.u.h, and those people never get any learning from the prophet jesus of peace and respecting others. Christians say they are not terror, but actually they are big terror in world making films against muslims to heart them, killing innocent peoples in libya, afghanistan, iraq, phalastin, and scared that muslims are increasing each day so why not to do those things, remember those things will not gona finish muslims but will make muslims a one in the world....BTW your poor pop is not giving you the good lesson that is shameful he is actually a big terror.
Censorship is one of the most dangerous things in the world. Period.
We censor the world "for the children" to protect them from words and ideas that some people think people are not mature enough to handle. A monstrous idea promoted in the US by people who are to lazy to do the job of parents and raise their children themselves and other people who use it for their own gain. So can someone tell me how Google treating these countries like little kids helps in any way? How will they learn that there is a whole world out there that is different then them that they will have to learn to live with? How will they learn tolerance and understanding?
Most everybody has seen the terrible damage over sheltering an individual has had on someone, especially once they have to survive in the real world. Now an American company helps perpetuate this on a national scale? This sets a precedent that should strike fear into the hearts of anyone who uses the internet as there are no laws that regulate or stop such a thing from happening.
What does "Christianity is good/bad" even mean? According to traditional Catholic doctrine, if you aren't a Catholic, you aren't really a Christian and you'll go to hell. Luther, on the other hand, thought that the Pope was the anti-Christ.
Many Christians have committed heinous crimes, in the name of Christianity, with the blessing of recognized Christian churches and authorities. Catholicism in particular claims doctrinal, spiritual, moral, and economic continuity with its entire past and claims to derive its authority from that. So, if you call yourself a Catholic, that means that you take responsibility for, and approve of, the historical actions of the Catholic church: its support of totalitarian leaders, its corruption, its torture, its oppression of minorities, its destruction of entire cultures and peoples. And others are justified in judging you by your choice.
And it's the same when you call yourself a Muslim: either you accept and take responsibility of what mainstream Islam has done in the world since the time of Mohammed, what its preachers and holy books say and teach, or you shouldn't call yourself a Muslim.
Google gets stuck in a 'do no evil'-mantra, but don't get that is understood differently by different people/cultures.
I think religion is stupid, but ignoring hundreds of million of people is even more so...
Islam has become more of a political machine than a religion just like when the Catholic Church used Christianity to get their way with the world, well especially with Europe, they still do today to some degree. Religion should be about having a personal relationship with their creator not turn it into a political ideology orgy where a few use it to control the masses and wielding it against the non-believers. This is why it's good to have here, in the U.S, separation between church and state and in place we have common, Statutory, and Constitutional Law . But who am I kidding, look at how Bush, Obama, democrats, republicans, supreme court, all have twisted, misinterpreted, raped our laws for the governments own benefit or their corporate masters.
People need to stfu, not be so thin-skinned, and just try to live their lives as best as they could instead of getting upset of what others think of their religion, country, or as a people. You have only 1 life so don't waste it so carelessly.
We should pick someone we hate, and wind them up and point them in that direction.
Seriously, those idiots are not storming a US embassy because they are upset about a Youtube video, they are storming it because it's a US embassy, and 9/11 was a convenient excuse to celebrate by storming an embassy.
According to Reuters http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/13/us-usa-libya-attack-idUSBRE88B1C620120913 and the Wall Street Journal http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444517304577653680320732176.html?mod=googlenews_wsj, the Libya attack was planned in advance.
We indigenous Terrapin tribespeople of so-called 'North America' don't riot over you depicting us as stupid, lazy, drunken Indians, denying the existence of Chief Black Hawk and claiming that the mass-murderer Abraham Lincoln who waged 'Total Warfare' against us was 'The Great Emancipator' but schizophrenic, mental-retard, hate-criminal Arabs actually believe that they can torture, rape and murder a U.S. Ambassador in retaliation for a movie called 'Innocence Of Moslems' because it mocks their fortune-teller Mohammed. Screw their inferior asses.
Hello, we're talking MUZZIES here. They go nuts over books, cartoons, TV shows - just about anything.
I thought Muzzy was a British animated TV show, which was dubbed into several languages for teaching second languages to children.
Slavery was defended by Christians based on scripture as well (remember all the laws regarding slaves in the Old Testament).
But people who call themselves Christians (Matthew 7:21) can twist scripture to make it say something that clearly wasn't intended. For one thing, slavery in the pre-1860s United States wasn't the same thing as the sort of slavery regulated by the Mosaic law. An ancient Hebrew manservant was more like an apprentice, to be set free as a free agent after six years (Exodus 21:2). For another thing, Christians haven't been under the Mosaic law since 50 CE.
But if Christians are so sure of themselves, what is it with all the proselytism?
Jesus commanded Christians to give everyone a chance to hear the good news (Mark 16:15), to warn them of what was coming (Matthew 24) so that the sins of the people they could have warned won't be charged against them (Ezekiel 33:8-9). This is why certain Christian groups go door to door (Acts 5:42) and teach people about YHWH God and his Son Jesus Christ.
Also, if this god is so special, why the need to sell it/him/her/whatever? [Ding-Dong], "Yes?" "Hello, have you thought about letting the Lord Jesus Christ in your life?"
Answered here.
There's a subtle difference between sitting in Fergal O'Fuckery's with a Guinness or eight reciting your latest anecdote about what a bunch of filthy idle wankers the Belgians are and crashing an airliner into the Atomium.
Cheers,
"What in the name of Fats Waller is that?"
"A four-foot prune."
I formatted my post above using generic <ol> and <li> tags, but it appears that Slashdot's code is so broken that these don't format correctly -- using Chrome on Win 7, I see no numbers; the two blocks of text are slightly indented and separated as if by a <br/> tag.
C'mon, guys. CSS shouldn't be that difficult.
"What in the name of Fats Waller is that?"
"A four-foot prune."
Youtube is banned in Pakistan because people here are too retarded, cancel that, because the Government here is too retarded. I mean Google banned the video anyway, why the hell did you ban effing Youtube. For Thor sake, it's just stupid. If you don't like the video, DON'T WATCH IT, if you can get easily trolled then don't use the Internet. I am just pissed off, they always do this shit. If one party doesn't take something down, they will ban the complete range, fucking terrorists.
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OK then: The founding fathers of the country where Google is headquartered.
I thought it was anti-acting! Horrible! Those "actors" should be tarred and feathered for their acting alone!
Muslims should be laughing at such a feeble attempt to mock their religion and prophet.
If a faith is strong, no amount of ridicule will weaken it or its followers.
If a god is strong, nothing a mortal could do would insult or anger him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominant_minority
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