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Lab-Grown Leather Could Be a Reality In 5 Years

fangmcgee writes "Lab-grown leather apparel could hit the runways in as little as five years—all without harming a hair on a single animal's head, according to Andras Forgacs, co-founder and CEO of Modern Meadow, a Missouri-based startup that's approaching meat-and-leather production from a tissue-bioengineering, rather than farming, point of view. Backed by Breakout Labs, the grant-awarding foundation headed by PayPal co-founder Peter Thiel, Modern Meadow seeks to combine regenerative medicine with three-dimensional printing to synthesize leather and ultimately meat."

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  1. Now dawns the age by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 5, Funny

    Of ethical bondage equipment.

    1. Re:Now dawns the age by jythie · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually there are already a number of suppliers for vegan kinksters.

      For many it will not matter since it is all about imagery, thus the fact the leather comes from particular animals is 'important'. Others will probably be happy to have more options in alternatives.

    2. Re:Now dawns the age by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually there are already a number of suppliers for vegan kinksters.

      Wow, that's the fastest I've seen rule #34 apply to a thread in a while. :-P

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    3. Re:Now dawns the age by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Funny

      Which is suddenly making me wonder ... do vegan chicks swallow? Seems it would be an animal byproduct.

      OK, I'm a bad bad person, I know. ;-)

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    4. Re:Now dawns the age by Ironhandx · · Score: 2

      While I don't understand them at all, in my personal experience most vegetarian & vegan chicks swallow.

      Go forth young nerds and benefit from my words!

    5. Re:Now dawns the age by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2

      Actually, that is a good question. If one takes the view that the eating of any product which comes from an animal as wrong, then the logical conclusion would be no, they don't swallow.

      I guess it depends on how far one goes to stand by their beliefs.

      It was like when I made the comment about Rogue. Since she can't touch anyone without draining them of their life force, what would happen if the attempt would be made to artificially impregnate her? Would her body kill the sperm (more than a woman's body does naturally) or could she become pregnant? If so, what would happen to the kid? Would, because half it is related to her, her body allow it to develop or would it drain its life force?

      Yeah, too much thinking for a fantasy story, but like yours, it does pose valid points.

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    6. Re:Now dawns the age by OhSoLaMeow · · Score: 5, Funny
      do vegan chicks swallow?

      Only until they marry.

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    7. Re:Now dawns the age by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      They normally have no problem with that, since you are generally consenting. Animals cannot consent to be killed.

      I am not vegan nor vegetarian.

    8. Re:Now dawns the age by HiThere · · Score: 2

      I can see you've never milked a cow or raised chickens. Though I suppose some modern breeds might just leave their eggs, it's not normal chicken behavior. Generally they secrete them in a nest that is intended to protect them. And will often come back to check on them. So they aren't consenting to your taking their eggs. If they think they can get away with it they will often even peck at you. (Lets not talk about how aggressive roosters can be.)

      Cows are milked in stalls, because if you don't they WILL walk away while you're milking them. Even then, there's "delicious" food in the manger to keep them placid.

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  2. And much more expensive than real or fake by crazyjj · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you have a moral objection to real leather, buy fake.
    If you don't have any moral objection, buy real.
    Or, if you don't like leather, buy neither.

    Any one of these three options will be a LOT cheaper than anything grown in a lab. And I seriously doubt this will ever be able to scale.

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    1. Re:And much more expensive than real or fake by ZeroSumHappiness · · Score: 2

      But what if you have a moral objection to killing an animal for leather but prefer bio-engineered leather to any of the synthetic replacements and are willing to pay the premium for bio-engineered? Then this is perfect for you...

    2. Re:And much more expensive than real or fake by Creepy · · Score: 2

      Like anything, in the short term it will be more expensive. In the long term, we get replicators. This sort of thing would really be good for my old vegan roommate, who every once in a while had to have bacon, but otherwise was faithful to being a vegan. If the bacon was printed, and no matter what the price, I know she'd definitely feel morally better if it weren't from a dead animal.

    3. Re:And much more expensive than real or fake by DigiShaman · · Score: 2

      If it's going to be expensive, might as well grow it with an artificial pattern such as houndstooth.

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    4. Re:And much more expensive than real or fake by s0nicfreak · · Score: 2

      Someone that has a moral objection to real leather but wants the qualities of real leather might use this. From a purely fashion standpoint, yes this seems silly; fake leather looks like real leather. But from a practical use standpoint, this will be great for people that are morally opposed to real leather; fake leather is usually not heat-resistant, rip-proof, etc. etc. - basically it has none of the qualities of leather except looking similar. As someone that is vegetarian largely for moral reasons, that also makes many things by hand, lab-grown leather would be very handy to me.

    5. Re:And much more expensive than real or fake by Tarlus · · Score: 2

      my old vegan roommate, who every once in a while had to have bacon, but otherwise was faithful to being a vegan

      My ex wife would do the same thing. Declared herself a vegetarian but was still a closet meat-eater from time to time when nobody was watching. Had to break the news to her that she was in fact not a vegetarian.

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    6. Re:And much more expensive than real or fake by ZeroSumHappiness · · Score: 2

      I have plenty of friends who love meat but only eat meat that was hunted, not farmed who would prefer grown leather.

    7. Re:And much more expensive than real or fake by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      Exactly. There are precisely zero cows killed for their skin; they're killed for their meat. The only way lab-grown leather would make any sense is if they simultaneously introduce lab-grown beef. As long as cows are killed for their meat, there's going to be piles of left-over cow skin. If you don't use it for leather, it's just going to go to waste.

    8. Re:And much more expensive than real or fake by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      Or grow a coat/seat cover without seams.

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    9. Re:And much more expensive than real or fake by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      Depending on the production process, there might also be engineering advantages:

      Real leather is constrained by the shape and properties of the animal you removed it from. Unless your intended use case is eerily cow shaped, this usually means a bunch of cutting and sewing or other joining needs to happen. If the synthesized stuff is handled by some 'print collagen matrix, seed with cells, immerse in nutrient fluid' type process, you could theoretically produce pieces that are seamless and correctly shaped(possibly even with neat extras like variable thickness/stiffness depending on the mechanical durability required in different areas of the piece) without any cuts or stitches.

      Cutting and sewing are relatively cheap, so you wouldn't do that just for the cost savings; but seams can be points of weakness in more demanding designs.

    10. Re:And much more expensive than real or fake by RicktheBrick · · Score: 2

      I do not like to eat meat. If I am at a party I will try my best to determine if the dish has meat in it and if I can see meat, I will not eat it but if I do not see meat and take the dish I will not throw it away. I see no purpose to that. It is the same with leather. I do believe that leather is the only reason someone kills a cow as the main reason is the meat. For me the question is do I think their skin should go to waste rather than me using it? I have trouble with that since they will make money by making leather so it will reduce the price of the meat. So by buying the leather I am making it easier for people to purchase meat and therefore I would be encouraging the killing of cows. But than I ask who is more humane because if no one ate cow meat than there would be a lot less cows in existence. So by not eating meat I would be encouraging a lot of cows not ever existing. The same thing can be said about humans, Is it better to not exist at all than it is to exist for a short time? There are other reason why I do not eat meat since it takes a lot more energy and resources to produce the meat than to produce the corn of other vegetables, it makes sense to me not to eat the meat so that those resources could be used to feed starving people on this planet.

    11. Re:And much more expensive than real or fake by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 2

      I don't have a moral objection to leather. I have a financial objection to it. That shit is expensive.

      Plus, the size of the animal limits how big a solid, unstiched sheet of it can be. I am all for in-vitro leather if it can bring the price down and give us larger pieces.

  3. Headline-Generating Verbage by AttillaTheNun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I could discover sustainable cold fusion in as little as 5 years. Of course, there is always the chance it may take me longer, or forever.

    1. Re:Headline-Generating Verbage by tnk1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I could discover sustainable cold fusion in as little as 5 years. Of course, there is always the chance it may take me longer, or forever.

      I already have discovered it. It works perfectly and solves all the energy issues we might have for a few hundred years of constant growth.

      The only obstacle that is in front of me is just finding the right lobbyist to help get a repeal for certain regressive laws of nature currently on the books.

  4. Even better by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Leather is fine, but this could lead to new synthetic materials that improve on leather.

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    1. Re:Even better by Dogtanian · · Score: 2

      Or even just leather without physical imperfections, creases, etc.

      Want to bet that if this lab-grown leather becomes successful, many people will latch on to those "imperfections" as a sign of "real" leather and it'll become more desirable?

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  5. Leather is a wonderful material. by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Leather as a material is actually very interesting.

    Light, Flexible, Sturdy, Tough, and a great insulator.

    Still there isn't a replacement for it in a lot of protective gear. Such as Motorcycle jackets, they are not to make you look bad-ass but if you fall off your bike as an armor so you don't scrape yourself all up. Metal and Plastic is too ridgid, or too flimsy. Leather has the perfect use.

    However I don't see much of a market for artificial leather, only because we are still eating cows. Most farms don't produce leather only cattle, but beef cattle what use the hides for leather.

    Now if this technology makes affordable meat like it thinks it could, then perhaps artifical leather can come in.

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    1. Re:Leather is a wonderful material. by ZeroSumHappiness · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There are plenty of synthetic replacements for motorcycle leather at much the same price, mostly in the kevlar family, approximately.

    2. Re:Leather is a wonderful material. by WillAdams · · Score: 4, Informative

      Leather is constrained in size by how large a cow will grow, in thickness by the thickest point available for a given area (if you want to work really large, you can't get hides as thick as if you're willing to work smaller) and in quality by how pampered the creature was in its life (Rolls Royce uses cows raised in special pastures w/ wooden fencing (no barbed wire) and the hides which they reject would be top quality elsewhere).

      Also, presumably this material won't require the tanning process, so one will get material equivalent to vegetable tanned w/o the nasty chemicals of chrome tanned.

      Moreover, even though leather can be considered a by-product of the meat industry, it's not cheap --- a full hide is well over $100.

      William

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  6. Frederik Pohl's Space Merchants by inputdev · · Score: 2

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Space_Merchants
    I can't read about synthetic animal parts without thinking about the enormous mass of chicken, referred to as "Chicken Little" that is used in the book as a source of protein by continually slicing off hunks from the always growing mass of chicken heart cells. :)

  7. We shall create PETBL by mromanuk · · Score: 2

    People for the Ethical Treatment of Bioengineered Leather (PETBL) Because the bioengineered leather has rights too...

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  8. And what will happen ... by Zemran · · Score: 2

    ... to the skins of all those cows we eat? The beef industry is not going to stop killing the cows, but now they will have to throw away the skins rather than turn them into leather. We will have to pay more for our beef, pork etc. to cover this cost and then pay for the fake leather as well...

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    1. Re:And what will happen ... by Verdatum · · Score: 3, Informative

      The same fears happened when vinyl pleather first came out. The same fears happened when man-made diamonds became feasible. The market adjusts. The skins still get sold, and the price of the original commodity usually doesn't drop as much as people fear.

  9. Re:also in principle interesting for skingrafts. by vlm · · Score: 2

    How about a cosmetic skingraft industry to leatherize your skin? I can hear the tv commercials now "You could spend a decade suntanning to achieve the trendy new leatherskin(tm) look but now after a simple operation at your doctors office...". You could pick your leatherized skin color, maybe even fake alligator...

    Never underestimate the ability of young people to spend large amounts of money to do stupid things in the name of "rebellion". This could be the next "tattoo" or the next "piercing". We're getting close to the point where the early adopters of those fads have kids who need to rebel against them... Leatherskin could be the answer.... Hmm you could look like a Dune stillsuit when you're naked or motorcycle leathers... this could work and make a lot of money for people who invest early...

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  10. XKCD explains this by Scareduck · · Score: 2
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  11. Re:Misses the point by dkleinsc · · Score: 2

    After all, as the Arrogant Worms pointed out, Carrot Juice is Murder.

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  12. Re:Misses the point by cellocgw · · Score: 2

    Uh, really? Since most micronutrients are elements or minerals, perhaps you could explain what an artificial version is. Vitamins, the only other class of micronutrients, are easily added to lab-grown biologicals.
    I didn't see anything in TFA about adding teratogenics to the mix. On the contrary, it's the four-legged "real cow" version which is chock full of antibiotics and feed additives.

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  13. Re:also in principle interesting for skingrafts. by ackthpt · · Score: 2

    Not to mention the cosmetic industry.

    And auto industry - Rich Corinthian Leather* could actually be grown in labs in Corinth!

    Tip o' the propeller beanie to Ricardo Montalban

    It'll also save the hides of thousands of Naugas annually!

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  14. Potential for use in protective gear? by Burning1 · · Score: 2

    As a motorcyclist, I'm really interested in this.

    Although amazing progress has been made in synthetics, for heavy duty use (read, racing, trackdays, etc.) leather is still king. We've known for a while that there are benefits to the way cows are cared for. The most protective leather comes from cows that aren't kept in barbed wire fences, and raised above the mosquito lines; there is less damage to the hide that way, making for fewer potential points of failure.

    Large sheets of leather are also valuable, as they reduce the number of seams in the leather, and permit them to be moved away from common abrasion zones.

    Type of leather is also important to us... Good cow leather is usually at least 1.4mm thick, and a full leather suit can be quite heavy (>10lbs.) Kangaroo leather is desirable for this application, since it's lighter and often stronger than cow leather.

    I'll be interested seeing what comes of these materials.

  15. Re:Citation needed by Garridan · · Score: 2

    Your references only discuss carbon emission. In my post, I refer to nasty chemicals that are likely involved in the production of vatmeat. These are different topics. We can reduce our carbon emissions to zero and still destroy the world by inappropriate handling of chemical, biological, and radioactive products.

    Please read before jumping to conclusions, and avoid ad hominem* attacks.

    Of course factory farms cause environmental harm. Like all other large-scale production, we need to carefully capture and recycle products which are wasted. Personally, I'd love to see ecologically friendly production of healthy, nutritious, tasty vatmeat. However, I have concerns about the ecological impact, and about the safety of these products.

    Finally, inhibiting progress can be a good thing. Monsanto GM corn / roundup have been linked to significant increase of cancer in rats. If we'd inhibited Monsanto's progress, we wouldn't be finding this out a full decade after they started selling this for human consumption.

    *(oh... this is truly sad: Mozilla's spellchecker wants to correct 'hominem' to 'Eminem'... I like Eminem and all, but what has this world come to?)

  16. false ethics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am an omnivore, and I maintain that it is no more unethical for me to kill and eat animals than it is for chimps,bear, dogs, racoons, or any other omnivore to kill and eat animals.