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Nebraska Sheriff Wardriving, Sending Letters About Unsecured Wi-Fi

An anonymous reader sends this quote from JournalStar.com: "The Lancaster County Sheriff’s Office has seen an increase in scammers using unsecured Wi-Fi connections to steal identities and mask their crimes during the past six months, Sheriff Terry Wagner said. ... So deputies spent the past few weeks finding unsecure connections and sending 40 to 50 letters to let people know about the potential dangers of strangers accessing their network connections. 'You're just opening yourself up for a series of potential pitfalls,' Chief Deputy Jeff Bliemeister said. ... Bliemeister said only businesses like coffee shops that offer Internet connections to customers need unsecured Internet connections.

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  1. Law Enforcement at Work by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Applause!

    Much better than that goofball sheriff in Aridzona.

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    1. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by mpoulton · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Applause!

      Much better than that goofball sheriff in Aridzona.

      Those of us in Maricopa County can worry about our sheriff; the rest of the country can worry about theirs. It's a local elected office. I do not understand the national media attention.

      With that said, I do not support Arpaio or his policies and do not vote for him.

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    2. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those of us in Maricopa County can worry about our sheriff; the rest of the country can worry about theirs. It's a local elected office. I do not understand the national media attention.

      When he started wasting taxpayer time and money, crossing state lines on a witch hunt for information to be used to attack the president of the country, he suddenly stopped being a local concern and started becoming a national nuisance.

    3. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by cayenne8 · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Those of us in Maricopa County can worry about our sheriff; the rest of the country can worry about theirs. It's a local elected office. I do not understand the national media attention.

      With that said, I do not support Arpaio or his policies and do not vote for him.

      Hey, I feel for ya'll out in AZ....and I did live out there awhile back too.

      With the federal govt giving absolutely no assistance in trying to help with the porous border there, well, I applaud ya'll doing whatever you have to to try to curb the problems with being for all purposes, invaded by foreign natiionals.

      The problems with crime and the weight on schools and other social services is massive.

      Good luck out there....whether you agree with everything Arpaio does or not...at least you can say he's trying to do "something" about the problems....the feds aren't doing their job, so ya'll have to try to do it yourselves.

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    4. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by IceNinjaNine · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Those of us in Maricopa County can worry about our sheriff; the rest of the country can worry about theirs. It's a local elected office. I do not understand the national media attention.

      As a former Phoenix resident, I have to say maybe it's because of things like this and this?

      Sorry, but once you step over the line and nobody else is reigning it in, it becomes a federal problem.

    5. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Criminal behavior by public officials anywhere in the country affects everyone. The Feds need to make an example of Arpaio, lest his corrupting influence spread.

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    6. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One has to worry about your sheriff because one worries when other idiots might start doing something similarly stupid (monkey see monkey do).

      I can understand the resentment for being put under an unflattering spotlight but rest assured everyone has a blundering public official or two to be ashamed about. I hope you folks get rid of him soon :)

    7. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by pavon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Those of us in Maricopa County can worry about our sheriff; the rest of the country can worry about theirs. It's a local elected office. I do not understand the national media attention.

      American citizens don't deserve to loose the fundamental constitutionally guaranteed rights when they travel through another county. Nor do prisoners deserve to be loose their (more limited) rights because they are transferred into your county. It's essential that his abuses get national media attention, so the rest of us can know to stay out of Maricopa county until you guys (or the feds) finally get around to doing something about it.

    8. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by Dishevel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To be fair though the administration started attacking him first.

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    9. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Those of us in Maricopa County can worry about our sheriff; the rest of the country can worry about theirs.

      Violations of people's first and fourth amendment rights is everybody's business.

    10. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by Larry_Dillon · · Score: 2, Informative

      Because I might drive through your lovely county some day.

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    11. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 2

      I do not understand the national media attention.

      Please remember that Charlie Sheen, Lindsay Lohan, etc are also "worthy" of media attention. It's not like the bar is high. They're nutjobs and so is your sheriff, and it's all fair game for worldwide entertainment, whether the nut represents all spectators or not.

      It's just that people expect that kind of shit from drug-addled Hollywood types; that's a sort of baseline of entertainment. Maricopa county took it to the next step, beating Hollywood in two ways:

      1. It's government, and better yet, the law enforcement part, which will always be special. Charlie Sheen as an actor, or even in government doing a job like Building Inspector, wouldn't be nearly as interesting as Charlie Sheen employed as Sheriff. I'm not even sure governor (there have been a few Hollywood types with that job title, though they weren't in the same league of insanity) would be quite as visceral as a nutjob sheriff.
      2. It's an elected office, not thrust upon you. If Lindsay Lohan were your unelected police captain, people the world over might criticize your mayor. But if you elected Lindsay Lohan, some of her disgrace would be yours. Whether you think it's fair or not, we Americans do get some blame for the low class of people we elect, and your county elected a total scumbag and keeps on doing it. Nothing personal, but it's sort of like America after the 2004 re-election of Bush, or someone going out and buying Windows 98 (rather than being stuck with it as a preload), after already trying Windows 95. At some point, it's hard to not blame the victim, you know? And that makes it all the more shocking/entertaining.

      To recap. Baseline: nut (already attention-worthy, right there). Add: power. Add: elected. Really, you don't understand the attention? No, I think you just regret the attention. ;-)

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    12. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      And also, the Administration is full of corrupt would-be fascists. I don't much like Sheriff Arpaio, but I support him in trying to discover politicians' lies. Barack Obama is a fucking liar and piece of shit.

      He's a politician, what do you expect? If you expect any differently from any of those further right of him (he's not in the left wing, for the record, obama is right of center) you're deluded.

    13. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by fm6 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh that's funny, It's OK for your local official to interfere with stuff that has nothing to do with his responsibilities or jurisdiction and that affect the whole country. But if the rest of us complain about it, we're the ones messing with a local official?

      I love the way right-wingers make idiots of themselves, and then when people notice it, they complain about the "national media". Take some fucking responsibility, dude.

    14. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by ranpel · · Score: 1

      I agree that this is a more agreeable beat than the fence. I'm still having trouble with what, exactly, is so inherently wrong with an open wi-fi? I would offer that it's a bit like an abortion question - one answers that based on one's requirements and circumstance. One's circumstances should dictate how open they, the gear operator, would like it to be - from locked down through wide open.

      Having said that I am 98% with the 'Your Service is Available' notice for those that may be caught unawares. The objective is to protect your own shit. Warnings are fine. Implications that an available network connection is wrong are not. Fuck businesses and coffee shops. I'm a person too.

      However, that open network connection is not an invitation for law enforcement to review, collect or monitor the information behind it without a warrant. Its purpose is to provide service to the Internet. Abuse is the responsibility of the abuser. Security is the responsibility of the provider. Privacy is the responsibility of the law. The law is the responsibility of the people.

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    15. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Those of us in Maricopa County can worry about our sheriff; the rest of the country can worry about theirs.

      Not when he started to investigate Obama's birth certificate. Arpaio is the one trying to put the Maricopa sheriff's office on the national stage, and when he does that the people who elected him have to take the criticism that provokes.

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    16. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you had ever so much as driven through Maricopa county, you wouldn't be using the word lovely.

      Unless you really love dirt.

    17. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, that case where the DOJ mysteriously dropped their accusations because they were wrongful started? All because Sheriff Joe SAID something they don't like

      So why is it you support the use of the Federal DOJ to impose censorship on people illegally? Why do you hate freedom of speech so much?
      It may sound like I'm just being a jerk, but I'm being brutually honest. This administration has a history of using federal power to shut down critics and attack those who disagree with their stances on issues. People like you support this kind of abuse of power. If there were less like you the outrage against this abuse of power would be so great it would stop immediatly, but instead people like you call victims of abuses like this bigots and such.

    18. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Attacking? You mean subpoenaed for an investigation into allegations of racial profiling (if you're familiar with Joe, you know he's so racist he thinks it's normal) and failing to pursue investigations of sexual misconduct with minors. You must have a fucked up definition of fair.

    19. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by reboot246 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you think Obama is right of center, you're deluded.

    20. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being a local offical does not shield him from critisism from his civil rights violations. That's just stupid. Were we supposed to ignore the 60's southern church bombings, just because they didn't happen in my city? Or what about the lynchings? Sometimes small hickvilles need national shame to end their unjust biogotry. And your attitude doesn't help.

    21. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He said he would vote against telecom immunity but voted for it.
      He said he would have the DoJ ease up on the prosecution of medical marijuana but they did the opposite.
      He said he was going to institute a new era of transparency and rule of law but did neither.
      He said he would shut Gtimo, and end torture camps around the world, he did the opposite.
      He escalated foreign wars and most of them are actually secret, unofficial wars.
      He claims the right to kill American citizen without due process; not even Bush made that claim.

      The only one that is deluded is you.

    22. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by wolrahnaes · · Score: 4, Insightful

      On a world scale, yes, yes he is. The US view of "center" is just fucked off to the right by a lot.

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    23. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You know this wouldn't be a problem if there was a union and confederacy. The Union would get obama, the Confederacy could have Romney, and in 4 years everybody could see which shithole smelled better.

      You guys want to put your balls on the block and get chopping? Vote for secession of the South. Us liberals don't need you, and with a bit of work we can re-segregate. Liberals to the Red states, and conservatives to the Blue ones. Then we can once and for all find out which side is right. Split california in half. Liberals get the north half from stockton up, conservatives get the southern half from modesto-ish down.

      Vote right: Vote Secession!

    24. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by Dzimas · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Take a look at this chart of the political opinions expressed by world leaders: http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/internationalchart.png

      Hugo Chavez is left wing. The Dali Lama is left wing. Romney and Obama? On the broad global stage, they're both sharply right wing. The fact that their campaigns have you believing they're worlds apart is simply not reflected in their actual policies and rhetoric.

    25. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by IceNinjaNine · · Score: 1

      People like you support this kind of abuse of power.

      People like me have the intestinal fortitude to at least sign our assertions with a nick, Anonymous Coward.

      Did you even read the second link? Abusing disabled folks? Seriously?

    26. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh please, when i visited germany i got stopped at damn near every train station by undercover police and asked to see my passport, and I am german by ancestry! When will you people give it a rest if you are here on a visa, in the agreement, you have to have your papers on you, if you are driving a car, you have to have your papers on you, When they start "stop and frisk" like they do in NYC, than I will say its gone too far until than Az is doing everything right while our leader does everything wrong.

      posting anon to reserve mod points

    27. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah and the BC that obama gave us was photoshopped, this is /. anyone of us here can take the "scan" and see it has been touched up with PS. posting anon to save mods

    28. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, the world's view of "center" somehow got fucked off to the left by a lot.

    29. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So why is it you support the use of the Federal DOJ to impose censorship on people illegally? Why do you hate freedom of speech so much?

      If we assume that isn't a loaded question... then why is it you support the use of the local authorities to impose censorship on people illegally? Why do you hate freedom of speech so much? Arpaio has had his share of incidents harassing critics and opponents.

    30. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it were just about checking papers, I have local issues to worry about more than Arizona at the moment. But when it comes to incidents involving serious injury and deaths due to mistreatement, that should be a concern to everyone, local or not. And any of the "clean up your own house" stuff shouldn't apply. Even if you live some place with a ruling regime murding millions, you are quite capable, and shuold, denouce such wrongful treatment no matter how common.

    31. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      posting anon to save mods

      No, you're posting anon because you realize how stupid what you just said is.

      I am posting anon because I realize how stupid it looks to argue with people like you

    32. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are worlds apart. One thinks naming someone a terrorist allows them to kill a citizen in a foreign country based on "secred evidence", arms Mexican drug lords with thousands of assult rifles and ignores pleas for extra security from ambassadors on Sept 11. All these actions done while blaming others for his mismanagement.

      The other has done no such things.

    33. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those of us in Maricopa County can worry about our sheriff; the rest of the country can worry about theirs. It's a local elected office. I do not understand the national media attention.

      Because if I want to travel in that area of the country, it becomes my problem. We need to know when there's a loose cannon with little or no regard for the Constitution and law of the land running the show. If you're a minority or believe in Freedom of Speech, then you'd be well advised to avoid his turf entirely.

    34. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      "Please remember that Charlie Sheen, Lindsay Lohan, etc are also "worthy" of media attention."

      Well Sheen is hilarious (and actually fights for your rights even if you don't) and I would gladly be locked up in Lohen's hot little prison, but Arpaio is a menace of national proportions. My freedom from unfettered travel includes the expectation that my constitutional rights will be respected during such travel. Ergo, it is every US citizen's business. Arpaio is the kind of nutjob that has no socially redeeming qualities and should be charged with and convicted of high crimes against humanity.

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    35. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      posting anon to save mods

      It doesn't work that way. Instead of warning you, they just get silently removed (unless you change your IP and log out).

    36. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      Obama is a fairly extreme right-winger.

      Romney and the like though are lunatic-extreme ultra-right wingers. La belle nutcase Palin included, and I wish she'd stand, to remove any lingering uncertainty.

      I'm glad we don't have to deal with Septic politicians on a daily basis ; it's drive us to murder.

      Perhaps that explains American gunophilia?

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    37. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      On a world scale, yes, yes he is. The US view of "center" is just fucked off to the right by a lot.

      There are sites out there that offer a political test. You can see where you sit. When I take it I'm right in the middle, almost dead center. Obama on the other hand would be far left. Just to the right of a guy like Stalin or Marx perhaps. The rest of the world has been sold a bill of goods for years. They have clearly suffered a great deal for it. Look at France, Spain, Greece, Cuba, etc.. The US Capitalism isn't perfect, however it's the best humanity has come up with so far.

    38. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair though the administration started attacking him first.

      So, this sheriff, in a town I couldn't point to on a map, was on the President's mind first? Were they acquaintances first? If not... do you think my neighbor is on his mind too? What about me? What about my cats? Exactly where does the President's knowledge end?

      I'm thinking this comment is disinformation... have any proof?

    39. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a new Phoenix resident, it's helpful to know I've already read up about Shrrrf Joe and what sort of misbehavior to watch for. Fortunately, I'm white and don't have to worry about most of it, still intend to vote him out unless his challenger is worse.

    40. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What, really? (posting anon, logged out, to test)

    41. Re:Law Enforcement at Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't work that way. Instead of warning you, they just get silently removed (unless you change your IP and log out).

      I logged out and tested this, and my moderations were preserved -- you don't need to change your IP address.

  2. How do they know exactlywhere to send the letters? by ZorinLynx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In a dense area you might pick up 15 different access points, 2-3 of them open. Unless they have sophisticated RF locating equipment the letters are just going to be out based on a best guess scenario.

    The only place I can see this working is suburbs with wide spacing between homes, or rural areas.

  3. I'd leave my wifi open by mcgrew · · Score: 1

    However, the ISP's TOS forbids it. Nobody's going to break into the computer unless it has no password. But as I've gotten free wifi from unsecured hotspots, I see no reason not to repay by doing the same.

    1. Re:I'd leave my wifi open by joaosantos · · Score: 2

      In some places you are legally responsible for what people do with your internet connection.

    2. Re:I'd leave my wifi open by Crasoose · · Score: 1

      They don't need to break into your computer if you leave it unsecured, everything you are transmitting via wifi is open. Unless you never use wifi, I'd shoot for a dual band router if you are trying to help random people and leave some quality of service on that connection while you're at it. If they need internet so badly at that point they can always knock on your door and ask nicely.

    3. Re:I'd leave my wifi open by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In some places you are legally responsible for what people do with your internet connection.

      In all places in the US at least you are assumed responsible for what others do until you prove otherwise (sort of a "your connection did it so you are guilty" type of thing). You really don't want to risk getting dragged through court, losing your job, having your reputation smeared in the papers, etc. just because some pedo van parks outside you house while you are at work and uses your connection. Or a neighbor downloads a bunch of movies... It isn't worth the risk to allow others on your network. Those damn others - you just can't trust a high enough percentage of them...

    4. Re:I'd leave my wifi open by AK+Marc · · Score: 0

      There are very few of those in the world, none of them in the US, yet. The biggest worry is the harassment from suspicion, not fear of conviction. Didn't the Constitution previously protect from the massive harm that befalls accused who are never convicted?

    5. Re:I'd leave my wifi open by hawkinspeter · · Score: 1

      That's what I do with mine - a hidden wpa2 network for private use and an unsecured public one (that only has internet access) for friends/neighbours/passer-bys to use. I hate the way people are trying to scare people away from altruistic behaviour - it's kind of like warning people against giving away free water in case someone drowns someone in it.

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    6. Re:I'd leave my wifi open by shiftless · · Score: 0

      In all places in the US at least you are assumed responsible for what others do until you prove otherwise (sort of a "your connection did it so you are guilty" type of thing). You really don't want to risk getting dragged through court, losing your job, having your reputation smeared in the papers, etc

      Sure, if you're a fucking coward. Patriots and freedom-loving citizens however don't mind providing free Internet to folks.....ESPECIALLY the "criminals."

    7. Re:I'd leave my wifi open by chronoglass · · Score: 1

      but if it's encrypted and used in that manner, it's harder to prove it wasn't you(despiste being just as easy to use in said manner). Leave it open, that way you've always got the "someone stole my wifi!" scapegoat.

    8. Re:I'd leave my wifi open by kermidge · · Score: 1

      Seems to me, a problem is defense on wireless modem/router is static, attack is not; upshot, all defense eventually overcome. So even if your wireless is 'secured', if it's used to do something 'bad' then you're on the hook unless and until somebody else looks better for it. From what I see, prosecutors and judges are more concerned with no-comeback conviction rate to tout in next election than with truth or reality. Existing law is far worse than b.s. ISP TOS.

      Proving innocence is a losing proposition. Since by then all your computer stuff will be in the hands of the police, good luck with that.

      Secured or no, you're screwed. For casual stuff, sure, use WPA2 and whatnot and play the odds; it'll give you a warm feeling of false security right up until the time the SWAT team comes through the door.

    9. Re:I'd leave my wifi open by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My neighbor's have passwords on their wi-fi, yet here I am. I haven't paid for internet in 10 years.

      Next will be the ISPs going around and locking down access points...

      Backtrack Linux FTW.

    10. Re:I'd leave my wifi open by rtkluttz · · Score: 1

      This is FUD at its worst. Yes you'll have to clear your name but this is America and only the person responsible for the crime is the one who is in trouble. I keep my wifi open because I have lots of guests and work on lots of computers. Screw the FUD type threat from the government. I'd send their letter back telling them to mind their own business.

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    11. Re:I'd leave my wifi open by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But it's not, really. I used to leave my router wide open as well; until one day I get a knock att he door to two sheriffs officers serving a warrant based on Comcast giving back my IP for a child-porn investigation. 2 months later one of the neighborhood kids ran screaming to her parents about the weird guy in the blue house and all said and done, my issues rapidly disappeared after that; but that was still after 2 searches of my house, all my electronics being seized, spending days answering questions and shelling out for a lawyer, and having to desperately explain to my boss and co workers that no, no, it wasn't me and it wasn't anyone in my family either...

      So now my wifi has a WPA2 key on it, connects to an isolated, logged port on the router with only port 80 outbound access, restricted DNS services, limited access to LAN resources. Annoying, yes, but I wish I'd done it far far sooner.

  4. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

    Are there many cities (I mean, real ones, not "A disparate group of buildings, divided by excessive zoning, spread over a wide area, connected legally purely for political organizational, and taxation purposes" Anytown USA type places) in Nebraska? I always thought it was mostly rural.

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  5. unsecured wifi? by clemdoc · · Score: 1

    While I think this action is quite cool, I would argue that not even coffee shops and businesses like that need open wireless connections.
    They could just as well make the WPA2 key easy to remember and put it in some obvious place, enabling their clients to use encrypted connections and avoid all that Firesheep stuff as well.

    1. Re:unsecured wifi? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Um, firesheep works in that scenario.

      You're confusing L2 security with transport security for http traffic, very different things

    2. Re:unsecured wifi? by cluedweasel · · Score: 2

      We tried this where I work. You would think it would be easy. Just set a key and put a notice up with the key on it. Forget it. It was way beyond the ability of most of our visitors to input a simple key, just a simple pass phrase. After a week of people complaining, the boss decided we should go back to fully open guest wireless access.

    3. Re:unsecured wifi? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      set BSSID to: the password is McDonald's

    4. Re:unsecured wifi? by fermion · · Score: 1
      I am not opposed to shops printing a code at the bottom of a receipt to get into the Wifi for a number of hours. If the WiFi is close, that is the only thing that makes sense. On the key is known, then anyone can use it and it might as well be open. Even the individual key is not going to stop snooping.

      Honestly, if I were going to snoop traffic, I would do it at a public place where the acces was open. People are crazy and wil do all sorts of confidential stuff over an open line. At home you feel safer, but may not be. Even with a 'protected' connection it is not going to stop the dedicated wardriver. Passwords can be cracked. Much better to lower the power of your access point so that no one can get a good connection on the street.

      BTW, are cable modems still party lines?

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    5. Re:unsecured wifi? by PTBarnum · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I thought that using a PSK still allowed people to decrypt your packets, as long as they knew the PSK and were able to capture the beginning of your session. So while having a PSK is slightly better than not having one, it doesn't really guarantee a secure connection.

      Does anyone make an easy-to-use 802.1x appliance for coffee shop type uses?

    6. Re:unsecured wifi? by Nikker · · Score: 2

      Just wait till they type in as the password "the password is McDonald's", allow hilarity to ensue.

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    7. Re:unsecured wifi? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A BSSID is in hex only. I guess at the most you could set it to 00:04:07:C0:FF:EE

    8. Re:unsecured wifi? by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 4, Interesting

      On the key is known, then anyone can use it and it might as well be open. Even the individual key is not going to stop snooping.

      You obviously don't understand anything about wireless security. If a connection is open (no encryption), anyone (even those not connected to the router) can stniff EVERYTHING sent over the connection (barring https and the like). With a password, even if every person in the world knows the password, nobody can sniff anyone else's packets. The passwords intiates a transaction where the router and your computer set up their own sessions keys which are used to encrypt everything else. so even though everyone used the same password, everyone is using different encryption keys, so everyone is protected (at the wireless level at least).

    9. Re:unsecured wifi? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dammit. I was thinking of the ESSID maybe, or just the SSID. You know the one that can be 31 characters long.

    10. Re:unsecured wifi? by MrKevvy · · Score: 1

      Only if you use a weak password. There's no known attacks against WPA other than dictionary and brute-force which will work on anything. It allows a 63-character password, so for all practical purposes a 63-character WPA password of random mixed-case letters, numbers and punctuation is unbreakable (currently.)

      WEP, of course, is cryptographically weak and crackable

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    11. Re:unsecured wifi? by PTBarnum · · Score: 1

      Having a highly secure password does not help, if you give it out to everyone who walks into the store.

    12. Re:unsecured wifi? by Vegemeister · · Score: 1

      That doesn't stop man in the middle attacks. If I know the password, I can run my own AP with the same SSID and password, and proxy all traffic through to the real AP, with whatever snooping of malicious transformations I care to implement.

      Actually solving the prolem requires public-key cryptographic verification of the access point. WPA-PSK just authenticates the users to the AP, not the other way around.

    13. Re:unsecured wifi? by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      With a password, even if every person in the world knows the password, nobody can sniff anyone else's packets.

      I think that's not quite true for WPA. In the version where everyone knows the password, there are certain attacks possible once you know the password. That's why it's fine for home use where only trusted people get the password, but not say for company use where you can be sure that a hacker will find some idiot giving them or selling them the password.

    14. Re:unsecured wifi? by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      There's no known attacks against WPA other than dictionary and brute-force which will work on anything

      You mean, apart from known attacks on WPS, which is commonly enabled on access points using WPA.

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    15. Re:unsecured wifi? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not true. If you have the password and sniff the initiation handshake, you can decrypt the whole session.

      http://wiki.wireshark.org/HowToDecrypt802.11

  6. If a Business can do it, why can't I. by gurps_npc · · Score: 0

    If it is legal and not unreasonably dangerous for a business to use an open wifi connection, then why can't I? If I get incorporated, does that make it safe? The only 'danger' you expose yourself to by keeping an open wifi is that a moronic lawyer claims it must have been you and decides to sue you for things you didn't do. The proper response to that is to counter sue the lawyer and to educate the public, judges and jury that an IP address does not prove identity. I have the right to keep an open WIFI connection and if someone else uses it for bad purposes that does NOT expose me to any reasonable danger or risk. People have the right to anonymity and that means government and lawyers do not have the right to intimidate people into making anonymity harder to obtain.

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    1. Re:If a Business can do it, why can't I. by fak3r · · Score: 1

      well said!

    2. Re:If a Business can do it, why can't I. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is so much retardation in your post

    3. Re:If a Business can do it, why can't I. by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Their guns give them the right to do what they want. These actions are designed to prevent ad hoc networks that are outside 'authorized channels' from springing up.

      --
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    4. Re:If a Business can do it, why can't I. by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      If it is legal and not unreasonably dangerous for a business to use an open wifi connection, then why can't I?

      You can. This sheriff isn't arresting people for having hotspots, he's simply mailing them FUD.

    5. Re:If a Business can do it, why can't I. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You (and they) can. This office just sent a letter detailing the potential risk.

    6. Re:If a Business can do it, why can't I. by Hatta · · Score: 2

      The only 'danger' you expose yourself to by keeping an open wifi is that a moronic lawyer claims it must have been you and decides to sue you for things you didn't do.

      Or if a moronic judge issues a search warrant for your home.

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    7. Re:If a Business can do it, why can't I. by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      I have the right to keep an open WIFI connection and if someone else uses it for bad purposes that does NOT expose me to any reasonable danger or risk.

      It does make you the initial point of contact/suspicion until they (maybe) figure out it wasn't you. But by then, your PC's have been confiscated, your name in the news, and possibly dragged through the courts.
      I get your point, but if someone does use your open connection for illegal purposes, you are where the investigation will start.

    8. Re:If a Business can do it, why can't I. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      100% correct! We should all cry and moan about public servents serving the public and make up crap to make it sound like people are being fined or jailed... Welcome to Slashdork. Herp!

    9. Re:If a Business can do it, why can't I. by Liquidretro · · Score: 3, Informative

      They are not mandating you close your wifi, they are just suggesting you do. Making you aware of something you were unsure of maybe. Very much the same as if they were to wring your door bell to tell you your garage door is open at midnight, etc.

    10. Re:If a Business can do it, why can't I. by idontgno · · Score: 2

      It's not strictly FUD. For people who leave an AP open because they don't know better, this is a good service. For people who leave a WAP open because of some kind of principled and conscentious decsion, there's nothing there they're not already familiar with and willing to risk.

      And let's face it. There is risk. If some random bad actor uses your unsecured WAP for random badness, it will inconvenience you. You will be a "person of interest" until they find a better suspect. Again, this might be a risk worth taking if you decide it is, but for a clueless schlub who just bought the router and plugged it in? Not so much.

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    11. Re:If a Business can do it, why can't I. by mpoulton · · Score: 2

      If it is legal and not unreasonably dangerous for a business to use an open wifi connection, then why can't I? If I get incorporated, does that make it safe?

      No, but there's a general presumption that it's intentional when a business does it and that they understand the risks and decided to accept them. There's a (well justified) presumption that when a random house has an open AP called "Linksys" it's an accidental result of cluelessness. The sheriff isn't shutting peoples' netowrks down or threatening them with any sort of law enforcement action, they're just informing people that it's a security risk.

      The only 'danger' you expose yourself to by keeping an open wifi is that a moronic lawyer claims it must have been you and decides to sue you for things you didn't do. The proper response to that is to counter sue the lawyer and to educate the public, judges and jury that an IP address does not prove identity. I have the right to keep an open WIFI connection and if someone else uses it for bad purposes that does NOT expose me to any reasonable danger or risk. People have the right to anonymity and that means government and lawyers do not have the right to intimidate people into making anonymity harder to obtain.

      If you want to play lawyer for yourself without being one, consulting with one, or actually studying the law, you're welcome to do so. But the legal system is no place for the blindfold-and-shotgun approach.
      1: Lawyers sue people on behalf of clients, not on their own. It's some other party (like a copyright holder, perhaps) that would be suing you. They are the party initiating the action, and it's up to them to decide whether to spend their hard earned money on the expensive process of suing you for something that may or may not be stupid. Their attorney may or may not be a moron or a dick, but it always takes a moronic/dick client to generate a moronic/dick lawsuit.
      2: Countersuing the other party's lawyer is a good way to rapidly generate a large judgment for the other lawyer's fees, which you will have to pay if you initiate such a misguided action.
      3: You may be contractually liable for other peoples' use of your open network in some circumstances. If the terms of service for your ISP so state, and the cause of action arises in a way that those terms are relevant, you could find yourself in a bad position. And while IP addresses are not proof of identity, they are evidence, and it would put you in a compromised defensive position to have your IP associated with "bad stuff".
      4: The implied right of anonymous speech within the 1st Amendment is not relevant to any issues at play here. There's a misinterpretation of something going on if that seems important in this context.

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    12. Re:If a Business can do it, why can't I. by CanHasDIY · · Score: 0

      Their guns give them the right to do what they want.

      Really? That's how it works??

      * looks at the 1911 strapped to his own hip

      Oh, FUCK yea

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    13. Re:If a Business can do it, why can't I. by hillbluffer · · Score: 1

      Sure you've got the right to it NOW. How soon before a "sponsored" law gets submitted making it illegal to leave your wifi open... you know, "to protect the children"?....

    14. Re:If a Business can do it, why can't I. by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      Others have already explained why you can, so I'll explain why you shouldn't

      • Unless you have 2 wireless connections, everything you do is ALSO transmitted unsecured over the air exposing you to packet sniffing. Even your internet connections (from one computer to the other over samba/shared folders/etc). BAD
      • Coffee shops typically have surveillance cameras in and round their building, so if someone uses the connection to steal CC numbers or upload child porn, the police have at least some leads as to its source.
      • Coffee shops institute throttling, if someone starts torrenting or downloading huge files, they etther get throttled or booted, if a neighbour did it to you, you'd probably have a hard time kicking them off without having to quicly set up passwords on all your machines (MAC only stops Joe).
      • If someone abuses a McDonald's connection, the police start looking at customers and employees. If someone abuses your internet connection, they start investigating YOU and that is not something you want to have to go through. You may win in court, but your name and reputation will be ruined and you'll probably lose a lot in court costs and personal costs (family, friends, job, etc).

      So go ahead, keep that connection open, just don't post a "The police are harrassing me" bitch-fest ask-slashdot story when it bites you in the ass as you will get NO simpathy from me or the majority of the readers here.

    15. Re:If a Business can do it, why can't I. by shiftless · · Score: 0

      Perhaps you could point it out and explain said "retardation", asshole? Looks perfectly reasonable to me.

      PS go fuck yourself.

    16. Re:If a Business can do it, why can't I. by hawguy · · Score: 1

      It's not strictly FUD. For people who leave an AP open because they don't know better, this is a good service. For people who leave a WAP open because of some kind of principled and conscentious decsion, there's nothing there they're not already familiar with and willing to risk.

      And let's face it. There is risk. If some random bad actor uses your unsecured WAP for random badness, it will inconvenience you. You will be a "person of interest" until they find a better suspect. Again, this might be a risk worth taking if you decide it is, but for a clueless schlub who just bought the router and plugged it in? Not so much.

      Agreed, it's not FUD - the majority of people with open Wifi access points don't know and and don't know why it's bad. Those that leave their AP open on purpose will read the letter and ignore it. I used to keep a guest Wifi connection open, bandwidth constrained to less than 1mbit with port 25 blocked outbound. I saw a few dozen MAC addresses on it, so I think it was useful to some people.

      Hopefully the letter included some online resources and companies that those AP owners could use to secure their Wifi it's likely that many of those with an open AP don't have any idea how to secure it.

      When I moved into my last apartment, before I had set up internet service I found that a neighbor (no idea who, I could see dozens of SSIDs) had left their Wifi open, so I used it. It was a little flaky, kept dropping my VPN connections so I wished I could reboot it. He had left the default password on it, so it was trivial to log in and reboot it (and it behaved a lot better after that!)

      I'm pretty sure that what I did was illegal, but do you really think that my neighbor purposely left his access point wide open and able to be reconfigured by pretty much anyone who wanted to?

    17. Re:If a Business can do it, why can't I. by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      If my doorbell is that saturated with water that it needs it, they're welcome to wring it, but I think it'll still not work when they're done....

      --
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    18. Re:If a Business can do it, why can't I. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only 'danger' you expose yourself to by keeping an open wifi is that a moronic lawyer claims it must have been you and decides to sue you for things you didn't do.

      Sadly, that's not the only risk. If a crime is committed using your network, this sheriff will come and kick your door down and take every electronic device you own. Sure, eventually he'll return it, but only if he can't trump up something else from things he saw while searching for evidence.

    19. Re:If a Business can do it, why can't I. by Kjella · · Score: 1

      You can. This sheriff isn't arresting people for having hotspots, he's simply mailing them FUD.

      Then again while it's fully legal to not lock your doors there's also no laws against the sheriff saying "You may want to lock your doors at night, sir. It will help protect you against burglary and vandalism." A crime is always 100% the criminal's fault, a theft is the thief's fault, a robbery the robber's fault, a rape the rapist's fault and so on. And it's still 100% the criminal's fault even if you act stupidly or recklessly, nobody forced them to be criminals even if you gave them an easy opportunity. I don't lock my door because it distributes the fault between me and the would-be thief, I just do it to take away his opportunity. The idealist in me would like to leave the door unlocked and everybody would leave my thing alone, but the realist in me would lock it every time. Part of life is dealing with reality as it is, not as you'd like it to be.

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    20. Re:If a Business can do it, why can't I. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i leave my car windows down so assholes don't break them.
      Locks are expensive.
      Bullets are cheap.

    21. Re:If a Business can do it, why can't I. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might want to revisit that "100% his fault" policy, with modern criminology completely disagreeing with that.

      It’s a graph of influences. For example: If you throw rocks at a wild tiger, climb on top of the fence, and mock him, it’s your own damn fault if the tiger decides to climb the fence and "mock" you too. ^^

      We are the product of those influences. Which is exactly, why the concept of "guilt" and "fault" are considered very outdated and harmful.

      The goal is to counter-balance harmful imbalances in those influences.
      If somebody beats up people mainly because his dad hit him and those people also threatened to hit him because of their own issues, it is a *way* smarter move, to 1. make that person experience true parental love to get rid of that inner rage and 2. also fix the issues of those threatening people, to prevent them getting beat up.
      That way everyone becomes a working part of society and happy again.

      But hey, it's just so much easier to take the dumbest thought-terminating clichée and lazy-ass caveman-retard-like way anyone could possibly think of, right?? Right??
      Just find a scapegoat and club him to death! No thought or improvement involved. Simple rules for simple people. (No, I don't mean that in a good way!)

      Jeez, it's like we're still living in the dark ages, where people didn't know how to fix such problems...

    22. Re:If a Business can do it, why can't I. by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      The only 'danger' you expose yourself to by keeping an open wifi is that a moronic lawyer claims it must have been you and decides to sue you for things you didn't do.

      Or if a moronic judge issues a search warrant for your home.

      Well thank Jeebus there are no moronic judges in the US!

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    23. Re:If a Business can do it, why can't I. by Aqualung812 · · Score: 1

      So, would you be cool with the sheriff walking around town, opening people's doors, and sending letters to everyone that had an unlocked one?

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  7. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is 1 city in that county, and it ain't exactly NYC.

  8. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by wierd_w · · Score: 4, Informative

    2 deputies with directional antennas.

    If you can find warships that way, you can find wifi hotspots.

  9. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by taustin · · Score: 4, Informative

    You've never been to Nebraska, have you? Google says the population of Lincoln is about 260,000 total. There are apartment complexes in Los Angeles with nearly that many people. Houses have yards, there aren't many multi-story buildings (especially residential). The only "sophisticated RF locating equipment" is the number of bars on the signal idicator in the system tray in Windows, which will vary visible from one house to the next.

  10. Proactive Police Work Preventing Victimization by Lashat · · Score: 2

    Other Law Enforcement please take note. Follow this model for other crime prevention and imporve your community.

    Thank You
    Taxpayers

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    1. Re:Proactive Police Work Preventing Victimization by Revotron · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you were to equate this article to trying to prevent rape, then the equivalent action by the police would be to tell women not to fall asleep naked spread-eagle in a dark alley. To some people, that's a "duh" thing, but to some less-street-smart people it's quite a notion. THAT'S the basic premise here. Make it harder for a criminal to do their job and you decrease the chance that a crime will happen.

    2. Re:Proactive Police Work Preventing Victimization by AK+Marc · · Score: 1, Interesting

      They've already made it illegal to leave your car running with the keys in to prevent auto theft. But I never see anyone complaining about that.

    3. Re:Proactive Police Work Preventing Victimization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop taking my money.

      Thank You
      Taxpayers

    4. Re:Proactive Police Work Preventing Victimization by shiftless · · Score: 0

      Dear Taxpayer,

      Fuck you, because you don't speak for me.

      Also, fuck you, because I happen to want MY cops doing useful jobs, not policing people's wireless networks. What a stupid waste of taxpayer dollars.

    5. Re:Proactive Police Work Preventing Victimization by WGFCrafty · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If you were to equate this article to trying to prevent rape, then the equivalent action by the police would be to tell women not to fall asleep naked spread-eagle in a dark alley.

      Just stop.
      Not only is it a shit analogy but you like a fucking idiot imply that women who get raped are asking for it by being sluts.

      To some people, that's a "duh" thing, but to some less-street-smart people it's quite a notion. THAT's the premise here.

      Again you imply it is a completely intuitive thing that "you see a bitch being slutty, she should expect that raping. I mean you'd be shocked, some people think they can act sexually and ACTUALLY EXPECT to NOT get raped."

      Do you understand why what you said was actually ignorant trash? Grow up.

    6. Re:Proactive Police Work Preventing Victimization by Revotron · · Score: 0

      Where in that ENTIRE fucking comment did I say anything about women being slutty? I do NOT appreciate you putting words in my mouth. I'm saying that rape, like other crimes, is a CRIME OF OPPORTUNITY. If a woman falls asleep naked spread-eagle in an alley, there's a greater chance that she will GET RAPED. It has nothing to do with being a "slut", which I did not even bring up ANYWHERE IN MY COMMENT. If you weren't such a fucking psycho white knight maybe you would be able to read and interpret things like a normal human being.

      Do you understand that you are being an ignorant fucktard? Didn't think so.

    7. Re:Proactive Police Work Preventing Victimization by chrismcb · · Score: 1

      Thats awesome. And they are trying to amend the law to allow you to warm up your car in your driveway if the temp is below freezing.
      How about, let me do what I want to do?
      The claim is 40% of cars that are stolen, have the keys in them. Does this mean they won't arrest the car thief now, if you leave your keys in the car?
      And what will they do when 100% of the cars that are stolen, don't have the keys in them?

    8. Re:Proactive Police Work Preventing Victimization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's more similar to telling women not to ever have a drink, because a man might spike it and rape them. Certainly, it's possible - but having a drink and having open wi-fi are both legal activities that increase social utility, and people shouldn't refrain from them simply to make the job of law enforcement easier.

    9. Re:Proactive Police Work Preventing Victimization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I'm sorry to say that you're trying to argue with a brick wall.

      You have encountered a person on one of the far ends of the Rape Culture debate. To them, facts, statistics, common sense are all secondary to the fact that nobody asks to be raped (by definition; if you ask, it's not rape) to the point that facts, statistics and common sense may as well not exist.

      Your reply that a woman has a greater chance of being raped if she falls asleep naked, spread-eagle, in an alley (than most other situations a woman may find herself in, presumably) are likely to be construed as the statements of a Rape Apologist who is simply blaming the victim.

      Good luck.

    10. Re:Proactive Police Work Preventing Victimization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >And they are trying to amend the law to allow you to warm up your car in your driveway if the temp is below freezing.

      No, that's already illegal in many places because the extra 1% of emissions is destroying the environment somehow.

      Of course, for people whose cars HAVE to warm up to be safe (eg: propane fueled vehicles--without the warm up you can enjoy a nice lean backfire) well, tough shit.

    11. Re:Proactive Police Work Preventing Victimization by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      The law already allows me to warm up my car in my driveway. A remote start that turns the car off if put in drive and does not require the keys in it is legal in most places.

      And none of your comments are relevant to the point of the thread about contributory negligence.

  11. Oops... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

    What's with slashdot today? An earlier story gave a bogus link and this gives none at all. I tried to find it by googling wifi sheriff site:JournalStar.com but the story didn't come up. Is this for real?

    1. Re:Oops... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://journalstar.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/sheriff-looks-to-lock-down-open-internet-connections/article_3a98d107-05c6-5a11-8d09-8769e6e7dacd.html

    2. Re:Oops... by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Informative
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    3. Re:Oops... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    4. Re:Oops... by cffrost · · Score: 1

      What's with slashdot today?

      I ask myself that question every day.

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  12. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In a dense city...

    That isn't applicable here. This is nebraska.

  13. Correction: by ericloewe · · Score: 0

    NOBODY needs unsecured Wi-Fi (unless it just gives you instructions on how to properly connect to the real network). Trivial passwords at least allow for encryption.

    1. Re:Correction: by Hatta · · Score: 2

      Wifi encryption is useless if anyone and everyone can join the network. Once you join, it's just like being on any other shared medium network. All your packets are available in the clear. If you're worried about security, use application level encryption.

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    2. Re:Correction: by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      Wifi encryption is useless if anyone and everyone can join the network. Once you join, it's just like being on any other shared medium network. All your packets are available in the clear. If you're worried about security, use application level encryption.

      It's not useless. Packets are not available in the clear, because everyone joining the network with the same password will get a different key. However, there are attacks possible against that version of WPA so a hacker on the network can crack someone else's key. But nothing is in the clear.

    3. Re:Correction: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NOBODY needs unsecured Wi-Fi (unless it just gives you instructions on how to properly connect to the real network). Trivial passwords at least allow for encryption.

      Hi, I forget... was this Chris Dodd or Cary Sherman using the "ericloewe" persona? Great going man, you tell 'em. Never mind that you might want to give passers-by an opportunity to check their e-mail and set up a 2nd SSID/network for that. Remember: they have to lock it down and then THEY have the burden of proof that it was someone else that "did it". Remember how we always joke "IP is our business and IP equals a person" to confuse people? With locked-down-WiFi-is-the-new-normal we can get closer to that goal!

  14. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by ackthpt · · Score: 1

    How about some id on each wireless access point, which can be tracked through the service providers in the region? Doesn't sound unreasonable, particularly if law enforcement is provided with the necessary tools and training.

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  15. Even coffee shops shouldn't have 'open' wifi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think even coffee shops should have open wifi. That is just asking for people to snoop on everything and passwords to fly in cleartext. However, most people don't know that if you get the right packets of the handshake (not even the whole thing), you can eavesdrop on any wifi security that relies on PSK. They really need to add some sort of DHE exchange at the beginning and encrypt that exchange with the PSK. That way, you can prevent random people from joining if you don't want them too, and keep people safe from each other. That seems to me something that you could add in software and not require a hardware upgrade (therefore perfect for already deployed hardware).

    1. Re:Even coffee shops shouldn't have 'open' wifi by hawkinspeter · · Score: 1

      Open wifi isn't a problem if you always use https to connect to websites. https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere is an easy way to use https if it's available for a website.

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    2. Re:Even coffee shops shouldn't have 'open' wifi by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Oh, how sweet. Someone that thinks the Internet is only for browsing the web.

      While I could tunnel my email, my ssh/sftp, my torrent downloads and the good old fashioned telnet that I use for one specific online service through HTTPS it's frankly just not worth the hassle.

    3. Re:Even coffee shops shouldn't have 'open' wifi by fa2k · · Score: 1

      If you're not already using SSL for your email, you're doing it wrong. And no, I don't mean webmail, but that's also good.

    4. Re:Even coffee shops shouldn't have 'open' wifi by hawkinspeter · · Score: 1

      Your ssh/sftp don't need any extra tunnelling, but your telnet certainly does and your email might if you're using something like POP3 or IMAP (not the encrypted versions).

      If you're already using ssh, then you can just tunnel everything through that instead - how much hassle is that?

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    5. Re:Even coffee shops shouldn't have 'open' wifi by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Yeah, everything except the telnet and the torrents is encrypted from me to the server. I don't telnet on open connections either, I ssh through to a box that I telnet from - the service doesn't support a secure connection.

      My point is that the internet is not just the world wide web, secured or otherwise.

      Actually, I'm not sure my steam downloads are secured either. Frankly I don't even care - my sign-in to steam is the bit that matters.

    6. Re:Even coffee shops shouldn't have 'open' wifi by hawkinspeter · · Score: 1

      I get your point, but I originally specified using https to connect to websites. Any other protocol is best tunnelled through ssh as https is only relevant for websites.

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    7. Re:Even coffee shops shouldn't have 'open' wifi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And all of that wouldn't matter if they did security correctly and used some sort of key exchange like the Diffie one for opening any new connection.

  16. Who says you can't? by phorm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't see anything in the article that said it was illegal to have open wifi, or that you couldn't.
    It said that open wifi was being used for identity theft, and that notices of potential dangers (I'd imagine such as possible repercussions for the wifi owner if fraud is traced back to their internet connection) were sent out.

    For a couple of older folks or just generally non-technical people who potentially just plugged in an unsecured D-link, not a terrible thing to be given information about, and somewhat pro-active of the Sheriff. It seems little different from the notices given to people who leave their cars unlocked in neighbourhoods experiencing an increase of car thefts...

    1. Re:Who says you can't? by PRMan · · Score: 1

      So the Sheriff laughs at visitors for locking their cars, but tell the locals to lock their internet?

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    2. Re:Who says you can't? by detritus. · · Score: 1

      How would they know these open access points are connected to the Internet without connecting to them?
      If they did so and it crossed state lines, they could face federal charges.

  17. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by segin · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Google says the population of Lincoln is about 260,000 total. There are apartment complexes in Los Angeles with nearly that many people.

    There are conversion vans in Los Angeles with that many Mexicans in them

  18. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by JDG1980 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In a dense area...

    We're talking about Nebraska here.

  19. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lancaster county does hold the second largest city in Nebraska, which happens to be the state capitol. Sure we aint NYC, but there are a couple hundred thousand people here at least. Ohh BTW there are more then one cities in the county.

  20. It depends on how you're using the word "dense" by Picass0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    There are some very dense areas in Nebraska. Some of them are even well populated.

  21. Not about identity but security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are there really this many people who don't care if crimes by others are committed using their equipment? C'mon, where's the America spirit at? Drinking beer, watching football, and forgetting about the security of our nation? Probably.

    1. Re:Not about identity but security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's plenty of security theater. That's why we molest people at airports and spy on phone calls without a warrant.

  22. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lancaster County has Lincoln, NE - a city of about a quarter of a million people. The other dot on the map is Omaha, which if you count the whole metro area is close to a million.

  23. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by AK+Marc · · Score: 0, Troll

    Ohh BTW there are more then one cities in the county.

    How about "There is more than one city in the county." You must be from Nebraska or something.

  24. vs google? by v1 · · Score: 1

    so how is this any different than when people went ballistic over google's streetview cars logging wifi?

    Not that I'm saying there should be anything wrong with it in the first place, but why are the freaks that tried to go after google for doing this going to leave this guy alone? Looks like about the same thing to me.

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    1. Re:vs google? by idontgno · · Score: 2

      Do you have evidence that the Sheriff's wardriving captured and stored packet information? Because the furor over Google doing it was precisely that: indiscriminate and promiscuous capture and storage of any packets in transit in any AP's footprint that they passed through. And then Google kept that information, even after being ordered to delete it.

      Tell me that a law-enforcement agency is sniffing and recording packet traffic and trolling for evidence of lawbreaking without formal suspicion or a wiretap court order, and I'll be appropriately angry at the privacy violation. Until then, there's no meaningful equivalence.

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    2. Re:vs google? by Hatta · · Score: 2

      It's not. People blew that way out of proportion. Transmissions on public spectrum can be recieved by anyone. People need to deal with it.

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  25. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windstream here in Lincoln does have a universal naming scheme for their routers where the SSIDs are unique. You see these SSIDs everywhere you look in the city. IF Windstream keeps records, they may have found out that way as well.

  26. Because of racsim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and he along w/ the state of Arizona deserve to be shamed for it. Not that it's going have any effect giving the history of that state.

    1. Re:Because of racsim by Aardpig · · Score: 0

      Racsim? That's the new medieval torture virtual reality device, right?

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    2. Re:Because of racsim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I had the same thing happen in my home county. Our jail was under federal oversight for over 13 years due to constant escapes, inmate injury, and general code violations. We had a sheriff who hired a known thug deputy to be an assistant warden. The man hired numerous thugs for guards, and gave a good old boy system "wink, wink" to the guards who "beat the inmates who needed it."

      This entire reign of terror ended after an inmate was beaten to death while in the restraint chair. The video showed the man get slammed into the chair, strapped in, pepper sprayed, and hooded with the spit hood. Then each inmate proceeded to either punch/kick, strike with a baton, or use a tazer on the poor victim. The coroner determined what happened and the federal justice department filed criminal charges against a bunch of "officers." I believe 18 of them either resigned, plead guilty, or plea bargained to lesser charges. Only one or two were convicted of the worst charges, and they happened to be the ringleaders. The only lack of justice is that the assistant warden was never charged, he did end up resigning and no longer works in law enforcement. This entire debacle cost the sitting sheriff his seat in the next election.

      The man who took his place almost immediately increased the pay for guards, increased hiring standards, and began the process of fixing all of the code violations that had been ignored for years. The county commission thought he was "spending too much money" and fought him non stop. Apparently they don't think anything of having the justice department look over your shoulder for years. I only hope that the sheriff gets re-elected and can continue to fix the problems in the county. I do not want the county to look like "Sheriff Joe" and his "tent city."

      Should anyone want to read what happened, the events in question were from Harrison County Mississippi, during February 2006. The sheriffs name was George Payne. I do know it is against the rules to read the article/story/research/etc. but it is an interesting read.

    3. Re:Because of racsim by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      Racsim? That's the new medieval torture virtual reality device, right?

      I think unlimited campaign spending launching super PAC commercials is the modern equivalent or mideval torture.

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  27. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by HangingChad · · Score: 2

    The only place I can see this working is suburbs with wide spacing between homes, or rural areas.

    Or Nebraska.

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  28. This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Honestly, "locking down" your wi-fi only keeps honest people off it. WEP is super easy to crack and WPA isn't far behind. If someone wants on a Wi-FI and they have the know how, then they're getting on the Wi-Fi. The real solution is to only allow authorized macs to get on the Internet.

    1. Re:This is stupid by hawkinspeter · · Score: 2

      WPA2 isn't at all easy to crack, but it's definitely easy to spoof MAC addresses.

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    2. Re:This is stupid by luther349 · · Score: 1

      just from my house there is a open hotspot 2 wpa ones and 3 wep ones lol. wpa takes more time to crack then wep being it still needs the password brute forced.at least where i work they must have a smart admin working all there buildings everything is wpa2. but walk across the parking lot to the residential area bam open hotspots all over the block. point is the problem is far worse then you think, most wifi spots are wep or open,

    3. Re:This is stupid by Penurious+Penguin · · Score: 1

      I strongly disagree in cases where WPA is properly configured. It is simply insane to try to crack a strong WPA2 setup for any average or even above-average person. Also, the MAC can be duplicated by the attacker and used during times when the owner is not active -- it can also cause problems. On the rest, I concur. A good router -- especially with good firmware -- can be intricately configured and offer quite a bit of basic security. Aggressively discouraging people from maintaining open APs is stupid and should be punishable in itself.

      The amount of people out there looking at putrid content or committing crimes is small. If all aspects of our lives are to be re-arranged in response to the lowest common denominator, we will follow suit. If this sheriff had sent out passive, informative educational material to people, I would commend him/her. Stupid indeed.

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    4. Re:This is stupid by shiftless · · Score: 1

      And if they commit crimes while logging into your *locked and encrypted* AP....guess what....then it's even harder for you to prove your innocence.

    5. Re:This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It must be tough in the ghetto.

  29. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by cffrost · · Score: 2

    There is 1 city in that county, and it ain't exactly NYC.

    Well, there's only 1/5th of one city in New York County. :o)

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  30. Might Want to Talk to the Local University by Revotron · · Score: 1

    The University of Nebraska-Lincoln's general student wireless network (UNL-AIR) is wide open and unencrypted. The only form of security in place is a MAC access list. I'm pretty sure somebody wardriving around the campus (or "warsitting" in the middle of the damn student union) could collect all sorts of yummy private data from that network each and every day.

    So, will the University be getting a letter from the Lancaster sheriff? Probably not. Should they change it anyway? Hell yes.

  31. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    As a Nebraskan... yes.

    I'm regularly shocked by perceptions people from the larger cities, or from the coasts have. Yes, by land area, Nebraska is mostly rural, but it does have cities that typically have malls, movie theaters, and at least 10 square miles of urban/suburban space.

    Lancaster County, in particular, averages 311 people/sq mi, and has Lincoln in the center, which even has some buildings with more than one story. Evidence: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lincoln_DT.jpg

  32. The situation is worst than it looks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aparently the "police" is so noob that they have no freaking idea about how pathetic easily you can crack wpa/2.
    Lol @ U$A-eagle-f**k-yeah-burger-cola...

    1. Re:The situation is worst than it looks. by Revotron · · Score: 2

      It's so easy to bust down your door, run into your house, and grab your big-screen TV, so why don't you just leave your door unlocked so I can walk right in?

      Also, since it's so easy to smash your car's windows, hotwire it, and drive away, why don't you just leave your car unlocked and set your keys in the cupholder?

    2. Re:The situation is worst than it looks. by chrismcb · · Score: 1

      The reason I keep my keys in my pocket, and lock my doors, is to stop the random bored teenager who is out looking for some fun.
      I didn't use to lock my sliding glass door. But then I figured locking the door would stop the kids who are just bored, out looking for some fun. Of course the lock won't stop a real thief from entering through my HUGE sliding glass door.
      I don't lock my car doors, because the convertible top is worth more than most of the contents in my car. I'd rather someone not slice it open, trying to get into my car. I keep my car keys in the pocket, not to stop the professional thief, but to stop a random joy riding teenager.

  33. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by SJHillman · · Score: 1

    We in NY feel your pain, but in reverse. A chunk of NY larger than several nearby states is designated "Forever Wild" and is the largest state park in the Lower 48. Several townships near where I grew up measure population density in fractions of a person per square mile.

  34. No, they dont *need* to secure them by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Its a choice, not a law. The police needs to stick to enforcing the law, which is their job.

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    1. Re:No, they dont *need* to secure them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are trying to raise awareness to prevent crimes in the area. It's exactly the same as going through a neighborhood with a rash of recent burglaries and telling people how they got in, and reminding people to lock their doors or not leave cars with garage door openers/house keys in the driveway.

    2. Re:No, they dont *need* to secure them by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      Police also walk around parking lots and point out cars whose doors aren't locked, and they drive around neighborhoods where nothing has happened - yet. Preventing crime isn't any less important than investigating it, and it seems that in this case they are trying more to point out the possibilities of crime than punish those who made a choice.

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    3. Re:No, they dont *need* to secure them by chrismcb · · Score: 1

      I though there job was to "protect and serve"
      This sounds like a bit of overkill. But if they felt it was good for the community, then it is their job to do it.

  35. northern NY state is awesome by Chirs · · Score: 1

    I was living up in Ottawa, and it was quicker/easier to cross the border down into the Adirondacks than to drive up to Algonquin park. Fewer people, fewer fees, less traffic. I'm surprised more people don't do it.

  36. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by slapout · · Score: 1

    If the SSID is broadcasting, "Smith" and the name on the mailbox is "Smith", you can probably take a guess about it.

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  37. Utter Horse-shit! by Penurious+Penguin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In my area DSL isn't available and FIOS or broadband is upward of $70. This affects me and many others who have difficulty with such prices. The act of intimidating people with open APs is ludicrous and shit-brained. A secured router with a unique user-ID, strong password, along with various options such as filters, availability-configurations, etc., is more secure than WEP with default settings. This sheriff should have a router fastened to his head until the microwaves loosen the rocks. I think the EFF elaborated on this topic quite well, also mentioning Schneier and his views on the subject.

    Sharing, especially of educational/informational resources is a good thing. Intimidating people into doing otherwise against their will is encouraging greed, inefficiency and paranoia.

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    1. Re:Utter Horse-shit! by Jeng · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So the sheriff is trying to put a stop to cyber crimes and you oppose it because you like to leave an access point for neighbors?

      Why not give the password to the neighbors you want to allow on your network?

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    2. Re:Utter Horse-shit! by Penurious+Penguin · · Score: 1, Troll

      Why intimidate others into conforming to one (reasonably-disputed) perspective? If the sheriff had distributed passive, informative information, I would condone the effort, but disagree with the premise. Instead, intimidation was used without exploring other possibilities. The number of people committing serious "cyber"-crimes is too low to warrant this level of paranoia, especially when sporting a WEP-key does little to prevent it.

      We have all sorts of buzzards poking around in our personal data, whether we've ever done anything objectionable or not. Most of these buzzards happen to be doing so "legally". It surprises me that people would be concerned about their neighbors -- which are with great likeliness indifferent -- but pay no attention to the gross and potentially harmful privacy-violations taking place en masse through officially sanctioned sources. This smacks of deformed priorities.

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    3. Re:Utter Horse-shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A secured router with a unique user-ID, strong password, along with various options such as filters, availability-configurations, etc., is more secure than WEP with default settings.

      Mmm hmm, so you missed the part where they said it was about unsecured wifi, then. Hm? Oh, sorry, that WAS a fairly subtle part of the article. You know, that tiny part known as the entire fucking point? Yeah, yeah, don't worry, going over the rest of your post, it's pretty easy to see how your brain failed to comprehend basic words in your native language.

    4. Re:Utter Horse-shit! by Penurious+Penguin · · Score: 2

      Footnote: If law-enforcement can wiretap me with the warm, affectionate assistance of the ISP and without a warrant, maybe my neighbors should be given a fair chance too! -- at least they are more likely to be employed in something other than whoring to the plutocracy and fucking over the serfs. I've had very few neighbors (if any) that have ever pulled a gun on a marijuana-smoker and stuffed them in a cage, or tazed someone because they were having a bad day. I also highly doubt most of my neighbors would demand $10,000 for a single song. Law-enforcement is necessary, but it needs to stick with its job, which is not auditing people's networks.

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    5. Re:Utter Horse-shit! by Penurious+Penguin · · Score: 1

      If you are actually being serious, the term "secured wifi" colloquially and often formally implies either WEP or WPA. In addition, the term "open wifi" does not imply insecure. When addressing those not in the field of IT, I expect both terms are more often misnomers than not, particularly when the terms are being used to promote something by dubious sources. I presume you are trolling though, and give you credit for successfully wasting a small amount of my time. Now either go do your high-school homework like a good brat, or focus on something you're better at than reading-comprehension and critical-thinking, e.g. pRon or annoying your parents.

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    6. Re:Utter Horse-shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I provide wifi for my neighborhood-- if anybody wants to use it. Since I live across the street from a sandwich shop, and a block of subsidized housing, a lot of folks do.

      Yes, stupid cops are a risk-- your IP is linked to _fill in the blank_, but just like those who run TOR exit nodes, the public good outweighs the risk.

      I shape the connection (bittorrent is pretty close to unusable-- it was just too much of a bandwidth hog), and run all web traffic through a squid proxy, to allow lots of folks on my limited connection. Other than that, the only thing I have is a captive portal spash screen that informs you that others may be eavesdropping on your communication since it is an unencrypted network, and that you "agree not to be a dick." Yes, that is the actual wording. Click agree and you are on the net.

      I will admit that I would feel safer running this if I didn't live in the US. Getting pretty scary around here.

    7. Re:Utter Horse-shit! by Threni · · Score: 2

      > Why not give the password to the neighbors you want to allow on your network?

      He might want to let *anyone* onto the network. What's he going to do, paint his password on the front of his house?

      If he wants to let people use his internet connection, that's his business. And if that makes it harder for people to figure out who has done what online, tough shit! If you're serious about freedom you have to make difficult choices* like `what if me letting people use my house as a TOR exit node or free wifi point makes it easier for person one to get information from person two`.

      * I was just kidding - that's not a difficult choice.

      You know, before the American Republican party, headed by that fucking idiot Bush, was first elected into power, America was pretty much universally seen as a positive beacon of freedom and justice. It's almost amusing how quickly all that was pissed away to make the ruling classes a little more cash.

    8. Re:Utter Horse-shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you are perfectly aware you have an open access point. What is your problem again?

      It's not like anyone is forcing you to do anything. Most people who get a cheap $20 router plug it in and it just works. It's all magic, remember? They have no idea what open wifi means and likely have no idea their AP is configured such.

      These letters are for "most people". You could just silently say to yourself "Duh, I know I am" and ignore the letter. (Or can you? Perhaps your post indicates I am incorrect)

    9. Re:Utter Horse-shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Intimidating? Informing the public is a form of intimidation in your eyes? Wow. Just wow.
       
      You're a total loon.

    10. Re:Utter Horse-shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We leave a public ssid on for passers by. There minimal cell coverage here and I figure it probably helps a few folks find themselves. I even registered the MAC with Skyhook et al.

      Lots of routers support multiple SSIDs and isolated networks just for this reason. Guests get 128kbps- not quite enough for Netflix.

    11. Re:Utter Horse-shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the sheriff is trying to put a stop to cyber crimes and you oppose it because you like to leave an access point for neighbors?

      I think you may have misread... he wrote:

      In my area DSL isn't available and FIOS or broadband is upward of $70. This affects me and many others who have difficulty with such prices.

      That doesn't sound like the musings of one who wants to share - but rather of one who wants other to share, so that he can have cheap/free access. The opposition, thus, would be from potentially losing that access and having to pony up for his own connection.

      Otherwise, your argument certainly applies both ways - if he wants to share with his neighbors (and not the EFF's poor fellow who just wants to be able to view a map on their cellphone and thus needs open wireless for the betterment of mankind and all that), or if the neighbors are willing to share with him, then handing out the password shouldn't be a problem.

      On the other hand, a lot of ISPs over here are now giving out modem/router combos that can set up at least 2 separate networks, allowing anyone who is a subscriber with the same ISP to use the open side of the network (I suppose it would require a login to establish ISP-alignment) freely without interfering with or security issues for the subscriber who is using the closed side of the network.

    12. Re:Utter Horse-shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah! Think of the Children! Think of the Terrorists! Think of the Terrorists' Children! And the Children's Terrorists!
      Now that you thought about them all, behave like a good little dog errr citizen, and do as you're told.

    13. Re:Utter Horse-shit! by fa2k · · Score: 1

      It depends on how the letters are written... If someone gets a letter from the sheriff, the presumption may be that they have done something wrong, because AFAIK sheriffs don't send out informative letters all that often.

    14. Re:Utter Horse-shit! by glitch0 · · Score: 1

      sounds to me more like he's stealing wifi from a neighbor and doesn't want to lose his free internet.

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    15. Re:Utter Horse-shit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't and won't apologize for making investigations tougher on police. This is still America.

      I let anyone use my wifi who wants to and they and only they are responsible for what they do with it. I encrypt all my stuff and law enforcement would not be given the keys to access it they came in and took my stuff.

      I also don't show receipts when I leave a store even when occassionally threatened by a cop pretending he has authority to take it from me. If I'm not guilty then their not gettin' shit from me to help and I'm not going to live my life in a way that just because it makes police work easier for them.

    16. Re:Utter Horse-shit! by Penurious+Penguin · · Score: 1

      Thank-you for that.

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  38. They've tried by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 3, Informative

    A federal grand jury wouldn't return an indictment.

    1. Re:They've tried by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Fuck.

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  39. Kills plausible deniability by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For someone up to no good, I'm not sure that securing WiFi is smart move.

    If someone has an open wifi, and something illegal (copyrighted content, kiddie porn, etc.) is downloaded via his IP, the person has plausible deniability that he himself did the downloading.

    If that persons has secured his WiFi with a password, then I would think he's more likely to get convicted.

    1. Re:Kills plausible deniability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Except that Jammie Thomas already tried that defense in two separate jury trials, and lost both times. An open wifi does not give you plausible deniability.

    2. Re:Kills plausible deniability by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      If someone has an open wifi, and something illegal (copyrighted content, kiddie porn, etc.) is downloaded via his IP, the person has plausible deniability that he himself did the downloading.

      Obviously a prosecutor will hold that against you. If you are a person who knows about secure WiFi, passwords, and plausible deniability, then keeping an unprotected connection means you're up to no good.

    3. Re:Kills plausible deniability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some people know about it and don't secure anyway so that they can connect all of their devices easily. It's totally plausible.

    4. Re:Kills plausible deniability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the deal is, "we're busy enough with real problems; you better add something by being secure, and don't subtract something by willingly bringing chaotic insecurity into our dynamic system."

      Being vaccinated against the Flu does NOT mean you're free to go asking people to sneeze on you, especially if someone ELSE will see the ill results of your errors.

      That someone else can be the anti-crime agency, or the in the case of medicine, the global insurance subscriber pool that collectively pays small fractions of your single flu cases. What is significant isn't the COST paid by the insured, but the illness burdens you place on those you put at risk of getting sick. Turning the topic back around to IT, the cost is whatever false negatives and lost leads the police has to consider. In a closed network, there ARE no doubts, and no extras to deal with.

    5. Re:Kills plausible deniability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Germany, Portugal any many other countries, it DOES.
      Including judges repeatedly openly saying so in court cases.

    6. Re:Kills plausible deniability by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      Except that Jammie Thomas already tried that defense in two separate jury trials, and lost both times. An open wifi does not give you plausible deniability.

      Good point. But I'm curious whether or not people with different lawyers and juries would get the same outcome.

    7. Re:Kills plausible deniability by GNULinuxGuy · · Score: 1

      Why does it not? Because of the proximity required? What if she had been running a tor exit node?

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  40. you are free to do so, but by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    The vast majority of people with open APs at home don't know what the fuck they are doing.

    A coffee shop has some business interest in maintaining open access to wifi. Perhaps the assumption is that there is some chance of them hiring someone who can configure a basic firewall+AP properly. I'm not particularly optimistic about that, but let the Sheriff solve one problem at a time.

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  41. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 2

    If the SSID is broadcasting, "Smith" and the name on the mailbox is "Smith", you can probably take a guess about it.

    I think if you're a residential broadband customer, and your access point is wide open, the SSID is gonna be "Linksys" or other default name.

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  42. You must live on Earth-602 or something by logicassasin · · Score: 4, Informative

    I just left AZ a bit over a year ago and lived in Maricopa County. Joe Arpaio started his b.s. first, but even before that he and his office were a menace to the Latino populace of the county. Don't get me wrong, there ARE illegals there, no one will ever dispute that claim, however he's been less than truthful when he repeatedly states that they're responsible for all the crime there. Take a look at the mugshots his office posts daily, plenty of black and white faces to go along with the brown ones he singles out.

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    1. Re:You must live on Earth-602 or something by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't get me wrong, there ARE illegals there, no one will ever dispute that claim

      Nobody is illegal.

      Actions can be illegal, humans are not.

    2. Re:You must live on Earth-602 or something by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Right, they are criminals.

  43. Wow by nilbog · · Score: 1

    Wow this is what we've been asking for all along - someone to educate everyone on securing their wifi. I think this is a good thing for police to spend their time doing. Serve and protect.

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  44. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by wierd_w · · Score: 1

    A directional antenna doesn't need to be expensive to be effective.

    I made one for a friend of mine for about 20$ in parts, out of a clamp-on style work lamp, a usb extension cable, and some epoxy putty. Works great. 20dbi increase in gain over a fixed FoV direction.

    Couple with netstumbler, kismet, or some other profiling software and a cheap wifi dongle, and you have yourself an aimable wifi probe.

    Course, it looks ghetto as fuck, be he doesn't care. It works, and can go through several walls.

    I am contemplating the purchase of a makerbot or thing-o-matic, and making parabolic enclosures for wifi dongles as a for fun activity. I designed one that has a "same direction" dual dish design. Wide dish reception, narrow dish broadcast. Would love to make it and try it out.

    Maybe sometime next year I will get one (3d printer).

    The point being anyway, is that this doesn't need to be extraordinarily expensive. 2 deputies, some ghettodish equipment, and some compases with cheap netbooks, and you can easily calculate intersecting vectors for unsecured wifi.

  45. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Grammar Nazi

    I wrote the post at work, and did not have time to throughly review for correct syntax. Forgive me for making a mistake, please oh please wont you good sir?

    All mistakes in syntax and punctuation were left in soley to anoney yu. Eye HOPE U lIker it!

  46. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually they could probably triangulate the source of the signal fairly easily.

  47. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by Abalamahalamatandra · · Score: 1

    And I believe Lincoln is actually the largest city in Nebraska on Cornhuskers game days.

    I kid, but it's close. You do NOT want to drive on Interstate 80 when most of Omaha is driving to Lincoln for the game.

  48. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lancaster county slashdot gathering anyone?

  49. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 1

    Unless they're working with the ISPs to recover the address associated with the IPs. If this is simply advice being given out (in line with ISP advice anyway), and information isn't being stored or intercepted then fair enough in my book. Too many people end up in court giving it the "but I was hacked!" excuse when they had no password, or an astoundingly weak one, ignorance may be no ecuse but it's nice to see some proactive action in educating people.

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  50. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by Jahf · · Score: 1

    Whenever I look up my maps location on a non-GPS device using Google maps ... Google is VERY good about pinpointing the location in my home. This is due to my other devices, with GPS, reporting the information back to Google. Google knows "oh, that SSID is at these coordinates".

    Not rocket science. Not foolproof either, but good enough for a project like this.

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  51. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, by land area, Nebraska is mostly rural, but it does have cities that typically have malls, movie theaters, and at least 10 square miles of urban/suburban space.

    I think most states in this country qualify as being mostly rural by land area. What's in California outside of what's along the coast? In New York outside of NYC?

    Personally, I like it here in Lincoln. Good cost of living, 3.7% unemployment, and I can get across town in 15 minutes.

  52. They did the right thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's all that there is to be said about it - letting others know about it, no fines too? Come on, to any "naysayers" on that note.

    * Good job - a good way to start a Friday night here too, on a good "lighter" note...

    (Also nice to see a fairly technically saavy enough cop putting his BRAIN to use too for doing the right thing (@ the surface of things so far @ least on this afaik, as in they might be out to track "ghetto-isp's" as we call them around here, & no: I didn't "RTFA" yet either (& if the 'spin' title put on it here or the summary is misleading? Not my fault either - that'd be the editors))!

    APK

    P.S.=> Whoever the cop was who did it actually did something pretty cool, imo @ least so far....

    ... apk

  53. Flood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SSID Flood of "Fuck the Police" in 3.. 2...

  54. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by rat7307 · · Score: 1

    "Cleetus, we got ourselves another member of that there 'Linksys' family, they sure are a big clan!"

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  55. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by KaoticEvil · · Score: 1

    Actually, you're right. I lived in Lincoln for a while earlier this year, and yes, it IS the largest city in the state when there's a Husker gamer. By contrast, I now live in rural Texas. In a county where the largest "city" is about 3300 people...

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  56. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I live across the street from them and it's never "Smith". It's either "Smith_coastisclear" or "Smith_hubbyishome".

  57. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Save your money. What good are plastic parabolic antennas reflectors?

  58. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by wierd_w · · Score: 1

    Pretty good when you gently touch them with a hot air gun to level the plastic, then gently spray with conductive paint.

    (Or give the full montey with silver nitrate solution.)

  59. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Time to set the SSID to "FuckYouSherrifWagner"

  60. i got tired of arguing with you security nazi's So by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now, ever sorority girl that calls in because she is missing the "lock thingy" on her ipad gets here WPA passphrase set to 12345678.
    And for the super duper routers that force you to change the login password. I show them how easy that is too!
    See! you can make all of the people happy all of the time.

  61. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I visited Omaha(?) a few years back and it definitely had the feel of Sacramento (CA) say 20-30 years ago. Big, few malls, didn't feel overly stuffy but obviously in the 'suburban with a commercial core' type setup. Hadn't gone through the huge 'tipup facade' building phase we have here (One of the big local grocery stores we went to still had the old 'big glass' fronts that took up most of the front entrance wall. (Basically nowhere in Sac still has those except for maybe a half dozen buildings across the county, and most of them are either no longer Grocery/Dept stores, or are 'independents' who're too poor to do 'big time remodeling'.

    Overall seemed like a nice place to live if I was more religious. (Mind you my view may've been colored by the company I kept when I visited.)

  62. internet security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In this instance I think the sheriff is right in doing what he has done. But here is the thing, when my ISP or their agent came to install my Internet connection, he did a fine job or so he thought, after he made sure my system was hooked up to the net, he was about to leave when I asked him if it was secure, He returned to the computer picked up the modem and pulled on the cable then he picked up the router and pulled on the cable, he then turned to me and said. "yes it secure the cables won't come out they are locked in", need I say any more

  63. Another meatspace analogy by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 1

    A long-standing police activity is to walk down the street and try the doors of closed businesses to be sure they're locked.

  64. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't have to visit Nebraska, the summary says only about 50 unsecure WiFi connections were found. We don't need any "I've seen Los Angeles on TV" analogies. Sending letters to lock it down is step one. After they get locked down, the number of open connections drops below 50, probably to about a dozen or so. Step two, watch activity on those handful of connections until you see the scammers. Step three, prevent profit. Even if you had a ton of multi-story buildings, the fact that the population is so low is why there are only about 50 open connections. Your entire county could live in one giant apartment complex, and 50 connections (minus the honest ones scared straight) would still be easier to catch a scammer with than what you'd get with LA's population -- even if LA were entirely single story buildings spread out with large gaps over a thousand miles.

  65. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by blackest_k · · Score: 1

    use a curved photo frame myself wrapped in tinfoil and taped, just enough to make my 3g usable. would be interesting to see your trailing lamp design. Sounds like it could be very useful.

  66. Or... by AlienIntelligence · · Score: 1

    Or...

    You can leave it open so your neighbors with kids who are broke
    and living month to month can have internet so the kids can do
    their homework and everyone else in the family can enjoy something
    that should be free anyway.

    -AI

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  67. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There was a Reddit meetup just tonight in Lincoln...

  68. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would two Sheriff deputies in Nebraska look for warships? :P

  69. sharing by swell · · Score: 1

    Last I checked it seemed that half of San Francisco was sharing open wifi connections. Yes, that might expose you to nasty hackers. I haven't heard of any problems though. I'd guess that on average, SF surfers are more sophisticated than Nevada surfers, yet they exposed themselves for the public good.

    Would it be such a terrible thing if 75% of all wifi connections were shared openly? Not good for the ISPs who charge $100/mo, but good for the poor, good for the soul of the generous.

    Is paranoia a tool for monopolist ISPs, security software providers, homeland security and the Republican conspiracy to spread FUD to get what they want? Can we shake off that dark cloud and show some public spirit?

    What protections would be appropriate for an ordinary person who is willing to share their internet connection with their neighbors?

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  70. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think GN just imploded.

  71. Chief Deputy Bliemeister says... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bliemeister said only businesses like coffee shops that offer Internet connections to customers need unsecured Internet connections.

    Hey, how about you don't tell people what the fuck they "need," because you have no idea.

  72. It is the Sheriff that facing problems. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is not the responsibility of owner's of WI-FI to secure their networks. We all know that it is legal and acceptable to allow friends and neighbors to share their private networks as they see fit. Private in this case means private as in private property, which the sheriff has no authority to infringe upon. The sheriff by acting as THE police force of the world cannot be judge nor jury, and cannot make any threats of legal action based on actions of others known or unknown to the owner of the network. Such actions will constitute a threat and actions can AND SHOULD be taken against vigilante law officers.

  73. Somone set us up the bomb by fa2k · · Score: 1

    Why does the link in the summary point to an article about the FIFA football game? Has there been 211 comments and nobody has RTFA?

    1. Re:Somone set us up the bomb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is slashdot. Not even the people telling you to RTFA have RTFA.

  74. I would be a FP by dskoll · · Score: 1

    My WiFI access point looks unsecured to the casual wardriver. However, the firewall to which it's connected only accepts OpenVPN traffic. So yeah, you can pick up an address with DHCP, but you can't do anything until you establish an OpenVPN session.

    I did it this way because I trust SSL/TLS a bit more than WPA and certainly a lot more than WEP.

  75. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by imahawki · · Score: 1

    This is in Nebraska. So yeah, wide spacing. We don't all live on top of each other.

  76. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hi, Lancaster county resident here. There's about 50 square blocks of urban area, the rest of almost all suburban or exurban.

  77. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by cffrost · · Score: 1

    How about some id on each wireless access point, which can be tracked through the service providers in the region?

    How about "fuck no?"

    Doesn't sound unreasonable, particularly if law enforcement is provided with the necessary tools and training.

    Authoritarian policies always sound reasonable to authoritarians.

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  78. wifi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On the key is proverbial, then anyone can use it and it strength as well be arise. Modify the individualist key is not exploit to kibosh snooping.

    You manifestly don't read anything roughly wireless certificate. If a shape is coarse (no encryption), anyone (symmetric those not related to the router) can stniff EVERYTHING sent over the connexion (riddance https and the similar). With a password, justified if every individual in the group knows the watchword, nobody can smelling anyone else's packets. The passwords intiates a dealings where the router and your machine set up their own sessions keys which are victimized to encrypt everything added. so justified tho' everyone victimized the said secret, everyone is using disparate encryption keys, so everyone is bastioned (at the wireless train at minimal).
    http://byefun.blogspot.com/

  79. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by evilviper · · Score: 1

    Unless they have sophisticated RF locating equipment the letters are just going to be out based on a best guess scenario.

    Uh, yeah... Because every WiFi device ever created doesn't have any way for you to measure the signal strength, as you walk around a building. Hell, I can pinpoint an AP without taking my phone out of my pocket. It might be a bitch in an ultra-dense, high-rise complex, but most places it just takes a little leg-work.

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  80. Technically illegal by Cyfun · · Score: 0

    I've always wanted to do this for people, just cruise around, find open access points, knock on their doors and offer to secure their network for $20. Only problem is that it's illegal, and technically extortion if you ask for money. But the illegal part is simply that you're connecting to their network unauthorized. The federal laws still on the books actually mandate that one must obtain express WRITTEN permission from someone BEFORE you connect to their network. I know, I know, this means anyone using free wifi at the coffee shop is breaking the law, so the practicalities of this do become quite grey. But this is THE LAW, and if a government official is technically breaking the law, even if it's for good intentions, there is still quite a problem here, they could easily get sued. It would be nice if this would prompt them to rewrite the law... but would make far too much sense, and as such, will never happen.

    In the mean time I'll just check to see if their router's admin web interface is unsecure, and in the likely event that it is NOT, rename their SSID to "YOU SHOULD SECURE YOUR NETWORK," or if I'm feeling mean, something particularly racist or disgusting.

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  81. Re:How do they know exactlywhere to send the lette by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Save your money. What good are plastic parabolic antennas reflectors?

    Let me know when you find a work lamp with a plastic reflector and ask again.