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IBM Reports Carbon Nanotube Chip Breakthrough

First time accepted submitter yawaramin writes "IBM has apparently made a breakthrough in arranging carbon nanotubes into the logic gates necessary to make a chip. This should help miniaturize and speed up processors beyond what today's silicon-based technologies are capable of. The article notes though that perfecting the carbon nanotube technology could take up the rest of this decade."

73 comments

  1. Re:enterprise by gagol · · Score: 1

    Maybe it is my insomnia, but I really dont get what you are trying to communicate...

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  2. citation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can someone please provide a citation for the paper they published so I can read something with actual content?

    1. Re:citation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Haven't found the actual paper, yet, but I think it's "High-density integration of carbon nanotubes via chemical self-assembly" as mentioned here: http://researcher.watson.ibm.com/researcher/view_pubs.php?person=us-aaronf&t=1

    2. Re:citation? by Dupple · · Score: 4, Informative

      There's some info here on Nature but it's pay walled

      http://www.nature.com/nnano/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nnano.2012.189.html

      There's some additional info in a pdf from the same site here

      http://www.nature.com/nnano/journal/vaop/ncurrent/extref/nnano.2012.189-s1.pdf

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    3. Re:citation? by Khyber · · Score: 2

      If it's paywalled, don't even fucking bother to link it, most of us will naturally avoid the link.

      If you can't find a non-paywalled version, then don't bother at all.

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    4. Re:citation? by overmod · · Score: 1

      Slashdot effect seems to have killed this server temporarily -- HOLD OFF A FEW HOURS, FOLKS!

  3. Apparently? by hairyfish · · Score: 0, Redundant

    "IBM has apparently made a breakthrough..." They either have or haven't made breakthrough. "Apparently" doesn't really cut it I'm sorry.

    1. Re:Apparently? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you know what "apparently" means? Unless the submitter was actually in the room when they made the breakthrough, it is the appropriate word to use.

    2. Re:Apparently? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you retarded, or just a nincompoop?

    3. Re:Apparently? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes.

    4. Re:Apparently? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 5, Funny

      "IBM has apparently made a breakthrough..." They either have or haven't made breakthrough. "Apparently" doesn't really cut it I'm sorry

      Well, at such a small scale, everything is controlled by quantum mechanics. Oh, excuse me: everything at such small scale may or may not controlled by quantum mechanics.

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    5. Re:Apparently? by i · · Score: 1

      This is maybe a post. Maybe by me. Could be a good post ... or a bad.
      (This was 3 quantbits.)

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    6. Re:Apparently? by Beorytis · · Score: 1

      everything at such small scale may and may not controlled by quantum mechanics.

    7. Re:Apparently? by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      "IBM has apparently made a breakthrough..." They either have or haven't made breakthrough. "Apparently" doesn't really cut it I'm sorry.

      It's not always immediately known if something will be a major breakthrough or not. If and when these chips come to market, we'll be able to look back and decide where the breakthroughs were.

    8. Re:Apparently? by OhSoLaMeow · · Score: 1

      Apparently.

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    9. Re:Apparently? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "IBM has apparently made a breakthrough..."

      They either have or haven't made breakthrough. "Apparently" doesn't really cut it I'm sorry.

      Well, they haven't yet determined if the crack they produced goes through the whole chip (i.e. a breakthrough) or only through parts of it.

  4. How refreshing by scdeimos · · Score: 4, Informative

    Most stories I see say that [insert favourite research here] will be ready for commercial production within five years. Finally, somebody's being honest and saying it won't be ready before the end of this decade.

    1. Re:How refreshing by AbRASiON · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Moderate you up or just type I agree? Too important to just mod, you're bang on point. After using the internet for over 15 years, definitely this is the case with tech articles. I think you could probably count the technological _huge_ leaps in the last 20 years on a single hand in regards to PC parts.

      3D GPU stuff like 3DFX cards
      SSD's
      Ability to burn optical media
      High speed internet
      Flat panel displays

      As for CPU speed increases, memory size increases, memory bandwidth increases, disk storage size increases - ALL of these have been slowly eeked out at a slow pace to keep the money flowing.

    2. Re:How refreshing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Finally, Area 51 Tech being released. Figuring out how clever aliens placed those carbon molecules is the tricky bit.
      Maybe doping the ends with magnetic substance, magnetising, gluing them in place, then using acid or alien spit to wash away the metallic positioners, then a laser to burn traces between the upright and aligned fibers.

    3. Re:How refreshing by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Most stories I see say that [insert favourite research here] will be ready for commercial production within five years. Finally, somebody's being honest and saying it won't be ready before the end of this decade.

      Which is a shame, because we will need those powerful computers to crack the secret to controlled nuclear fusion, which, *after* getting those computers, will only be twenty years away!

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    4. Re:How refreshing by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      SSD's are not revolutionary. They are older than spinning magnetic disks, it just took them a lot longer to increase in speed and capacity compared to the first few generations of magnetic disks.

    5. Re:How refreshing by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      ... in the last 20 years ...

      Ability to burn optical media

      Sorry, but this didn't happen in the last 20 years. I bought my first CD-R writer in the fall of 1991 (21 years ago), and I think that they were on the market for about a year before that. If I recall correctly, the price was just under $8000.

    6. Re:How refreshing by justthinkit · · Score: 1
      Most of what you list is incremental. SSD over HD, really? Then why not mention SATA over ATA?
      .

      And how is a flat panel display a "huge" technological leap? Especially with LCD latency issues, LCD looks more like a downgrade, albeit a cheaper than CRT one.

      "Ability to burn optical media" is as revolutionary as "buggy whip manufacture". I burn, on average, a disk or two per YEAR. At least you could have gone for USB thumb drives.

      "High speed internet" is so "huge" a leap, it is not even needed for the low tech, text-based site we are discussing it on.

      I was thinking more like:
      Napster
      Kazaa
      Bit Torrent
      Tor

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    7. Re:How refreshing by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      Finally, Area 51 Tech being released. Figuring out how clever aliens placed those carbon molecules is the tricky bit.
      Maybe doping the ends with magnetic substance, magnetising, gluing them in place, then using acid or alien spit to wash away the metallic positioners, then a laser to burn traces between the upright and aligned fibers.

      Borrow from nature and use a jig to place parts like making proteins.

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    8. Re:How refreshing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reminds me of AI research, it's been 20 years away since 1955!

    9. Re:How refreshing by default+luser · · Score: 2

      3D GPU stuff like 3DFX cards

      No. There was nothing revolutionary about this. The progress was slow-and-steady like everything else.

      You could already do fully-featured real-time 3D rendering for years before 3DFX cards were even conceived, and the price came down iteratively.

      At first the only source for real-time 3D was government contractors with supercomputers. But this performance had a price (usually a million+)

      Then the cost was reduced to the "thousands of dollars" over the next few years for arcades (and for major workstation vendors like SGI). This involved custom cores designed for that specific purpose (that were more efficient), and 1-2 die shrinks. Arcade games started with sprite scaling and rotation, or polygonal graphics in 1988, and scaled all the way up to games like Sega's Daytona USA (1993) featuring a texture-mapped and filtered immerse game world.

      The cost was then reduced over the course of the next 4 years. In that time you had 1-2 silicon shrinks, allowing for greater integration. You also had the sudden appearance of the Pentium and Pentium Pro processors with strong floating-point performance, allowing for another cost reduction (temporary removal of the geometry unit from 3D chipsets).

      In the end you got the 3DFX chipset (along with several other competing products), which was a result of 15 years of iterative progress.

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    10. Re:How refreshing by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      You aren't really logical at all. SSD and HD (as in spinning media) are different technologies, with the former allowing for much greater speeds of data access. SATA vs ATA [sic] is just a change in interface. Both SSD and HDD can use the either, though I am not aware of any SSDs using (P)ATA.

      LCD panels allow for smaller displays. They use less energy. You can fit one anywhere. Today's phones have better resolution than the desktop of 10 years ago. Try that with a CRT.

      Being able to burn optical media was a huge deal. Before that, the most standard method of data interchange on physical media was the floppy. Just because it's (mostly) obsolete today has no bearing on its historical importance. That comment of yours is just you being a shithead.

    11. Re:How refreshing by sethmeisterg · · Score: 1

      LOL!! I agree :).

    12. Re:How refreshing by Mashdar · · Score: 1

      I don't know. SATA vs ATA seems analagous to SSD vs HDD to me...

      • *In a black box, both pairs are roughly identical (in fact, SATA requires more adaptation from ATA than SSD from HDD),
      • *Both SATA and SSD are faster and fancier than their 1990s era brethren,
      • *SATA and SSD are really modern incarnations of much older technology coming back into vogue,
      • *And most importantly, SATA and SSD both begin with the letter S (crucial).

      (PS I don't know why you wrote sic after ATA, since ATA was its original name.)

    13. Re:How refreshing by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      My impression is that the "5 years" can be read "It's not available right now, there are some other barriers to this being marketed that I don't work on, it's anyone's guess as to how long that will take, but everyone will keep asking us how long until it's available unless we throw out a number so five is close enough to let you know you should remain interested but not so close that you'll expect it next year."

      It's the marketing types, the reporters, and the audience of the news that demand the 5 year predictions, the researchers and engineers don't know, but we wouldn't be happy with "It will get here when it fucking gets here."

  5. Re:enterprise by posthxc1982 · · Score: 1

    one step closer to Captain Bradley

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  6. Perfect give by santax · · Score: 2

    for the wife. Now she can vacuum and have some logic. Assuming the tube is large enough.

    1. Re:Perfect give by santax · · Score: 1

      gift* sjee. To many beers. Sorry.

  7. URL for the IBM research paper and press release by aheath · · Score: 5, Informative

    The IBM research paper is available at http://www.nature.com/nnano/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nnano.2012.189.html The paper is protected by a paywall.

    The IBM press release is available at http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/39250.wss

    I recommend reading the comments on the New York Times article. My favorite comment so far is:

    MC - NYC
    The Singularity edges closer...

  8. Re:URL for the IBM research paper and press releas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Can't wait for marketing to get involved, changing high-density carbon nanotube transistors (CNTs) into carbon ultra-nanotube transistors.

  9. Re:URL for the IBM research paper and press releas by aheath · · Score: 2

    IBM marketing will never approve a 4 letter acronym when a 3 letter acronym will suffice. ( Deadpan humor mode set on full. )

  10. Re:URL for the IBM research paper and press releas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    article text:
    Carbon nanotubes have potential in the development of high-
    speed and power-efficient logic applications1–7. However, for
    such technologies to be viable, a high density of semiconduct-
    ing nanotubes must be placed at precise locations on a sub-
    strate. Here, we show that ion-exchange chemistry can be
    used to fabricate arrays of individually positioned carbon nano-
    tubes with a density as high as 1 3 109cm22—two orders of
    magnitude higher than previous reports8,9. With this approach,
    we assembled a high density of carbon-nanotube transistors in
    a conventional semiconductor fabrication line and then electri-
    cally tested more than 10,000 devices in a single chip. The
    ability to characterize such large distributions of nanotube
    devices is crucial for analysing transistor performance, yield
    and semiconducting nanotube purity.
    The precise placement of carbon nanotubes on a substrate typi-
    cally involves one of three techniques: the direct growth of nano-
    tubes on a substrate10,11, the transfer of nanotubes from a ‘growth’
    substrate to a device substrate5,6, or the deposition of nanotubes
    from solution onto a device substrate8,9,12–18. Because nanotubes
    can be metallic or semiconducting, a further consideration for
    high-performance digital logic is the degree to which metallic nano-
    tubes can be eliminated. Although approaches for enriching sub-
    strate-supported semiconducting nanotubes during or after
    synthesis have been demonstrated19,20, currently the most effective
    techniques involve processing the nanotubes in solution21.
    One promising approach for placing solution-based nanotubes is
    to selectively position them on a specific substrate by chemically
    functionalizing the nanotubes or the substrate14–18. This typically
    involves using a patterned surface (such as SiO2/HfO2) such that
    nanotubes deposited from solution adhere only to one part of the
    pattern (the HfO2, for example). Key metrics for determining
    the efficacy of the deposition are the density of individually
    placed nanotubes, which must exceed 1 × 1010cm22, with a pitch
    smaller than 10 nm for high-performance logic6,7, and the selectiv-
    ity, which is the degree to which adsorption takes place only on the
    pattern of interest. In general, however, solution-based approaches
    that result in high density exhibit poor selectivity14,16, and those
    that offer high selectivity have low density17,18.
    We have developed a selective placement method based on ion
    exchange between a functional surface monolayer and surfactant-
    wrapped carbon nanotubes in aqueous solution. Strong electrostatic
    interaction between the surface monolayer and the nanotube surfac-
    tant leads to the placement of individual nanotubes with excellent
    selectivity and a density of 1 × 109cm22. Furthermore, the
    approach is compatible with the most efficient solution-based sep-
    aration schemes21, allowing wafer-scale integration using highly
    purified carbon nanotubes.
    Our nanotube placement using an ion-exchange technique
    is illustrated in Fig. 1a. The surface monolayer is formed from
    4-(N-hydroxycarboxamido)-1-methylpyridinium iodide (NMPI)
    molecules, which were synthesized from commercially available
    methyl isonicotinate (see Methods). The monolayer contains a
    hydroxamic acid end group that is known to self-assemble on
    metal oxide surfaces, but not on SiO2(refs17,18,22). We selectively
    self-assembled NMPI on HfO2regions of a patterned SiO2/HfO2
    surface. The functionalized surface was then placed in an aqueous
    solution of carbon nanotubes. Solubility of the nanotubes was
    achieved using an anionic surfactant (sodium dodecyl sulphate,
    SDS). Excess surfactant in the solution was removed by dialysis.
    The anion of NMPI (that is, iodide) is exchanged with the
    anionic surfactant wrapped around the nanotubes, leading to a
    strong coulombic attraction between the negatively ch

  11. Ars Technica by tsa · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ars also has a piece on this, here.

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  12. It's a small breakthrough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    of interconnected tubes

  13. SPECS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just want to know what the specs are, like power consumption, clock speed, and FLOPs

    1. Re:SPECS? by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      8, 5, 2.

      I'm not giving you units, though.

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    2. Re:SPECS? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      In order - Kilowatt-hours, decahertz, and kiloFLOPS.

      Trying to hide the dismal performance of your company product? Perhaps you should be a bit more forthcoming, 'lest your NDA kill your company with your bullshit answer.

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    3. Re:SPECS? by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Weeks, zettahertz, and petaflops.

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    4. Re:SPECS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, Kilowatt-hours are energy, not power. And for the last number, the unit was already given in the question: FLOPS, not kFLOPS.

    5. Re:SPECS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see, you are using an unit-less measurement system. Must be Planck units. Thus using SI your specs are:

      2.9*10^53 W, 9.3*10^43 Hz, 3.7*10^43 FLOPS

      Now the clock speed and FLOPS are impressive, but I fear the power requirement is quite prohibitive.

    6. Re:SPECS? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      power = energy, oh anonymous high school dropout.

      kWh is power rate over time.

      Please come back when you hold a certification or license to do electrical work.

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  14. Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So the internet may turn out be a bunch of interconnected tubes after all?

    1. Re:Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      at both the macro and soon to be micro level

    2. Re:Internet by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      But not nano?

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  15. premature optimization postponed by epine · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A failure to increase performance would inevitably stall a growing array of industries that have fed off the falling cost of computer chips.

    Actually, no. Micro-architecture could continue to evolve without die shrinks (likely toward a proliferation of specialized units) and software could also evolve. Probably both for a decade or so, before the shrink stall becomes a fed stall. A feature of Moore's Law rarely expressed is that software lags architecture, and architecture lags die size.

    I realized a long time ago that if I could gain a 50% speed increase by rewriting a critical application loop in assembly language, it generally wasn't worth the bother. The next processor architecture would mess up you clever clock-count calculations. The effort was almost always better invested in satisfying feature demand as PCs became more capable. Not only does the architectures improve, but so does the cleverness of your compiler (not including your hand-polished asm). If the software people actually knew that die shrinks were a thing of the past, it would make sense to be more aggressive in the choice of algorithms and execution regimes. They might even be well paid to indulge in premature optimizations postponed, since this would become the main avenue to sustaining performance gains.

    There might be more pressure to bet on the right horse, which could thin the herd. Competence gradients tend to have this effect.

    1. Re:premature optimization postponed by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      This is correct. It is why I have always argued that 'Software Bloat' is not a problem. $10,000 spent on optimizing a piece of code is a worse investment than spending $2000 on writing another piece of 'bloated' code that optimizes your business and makes you $10,000s more in profit. All the while having the steady march of hardware development both make all of the code faster, as well as reduce the value of any previous optimizations.

      If and when we hit a wall on hardware speed, then we can spend the next few decades on optimization.

    2. Re:premature optimization postponed by rdnetto · · Score: 1

      There's a difference between premature optimization and software bloat. I can see absolutely no reason one program should take up 2+ orders of magnitude more resources than a competing product with 90% of the features.

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  16. Take up the rest of this decade? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What, all of it? I've got a lot on my plate already you know.

  17. Re:IBM will do nothing but patent troll it by bws111 · · Score: 2

    Do you have any evidence of IBM doing this? Ever?

  18. Re:IBM will do nothing but patent troll it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you have any evidence of IBM doing this? Ever?

    You mean, IBM betting on the right horse? Never.

  19. Re:enterprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Manning was a corporal. And corporals never amount to anything.

  20. Can you name the converse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can you name the converse? They were granted nearly 3000 patents in year 2000 alone, perhaps you can name 10 of them used by IBM to actually make and sell things? Just 10 out of those 3000 patents would do.

    1. Re:Can you name the converse? by bws111 · · Score: 1

      I am not about to search for IBMs patents and then tell you where there are used, that is just pointless. But you would have to be a complete idiot to think that there is nothing patented in their new z12 mainframes, or Power 7 systems, or the new Pure Systems stuff. Then there are the chips themselves which no doubt have many patented things (including manufacturing processes). And their systems manufacturing processes probably have patented elements. Then of course there is their software.

  21. OK, I'll help you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I chose 2000 because its a round number and 12 years is long enough for them to get a product out the door. Lets take their star patent the one they marketed with the announcement of getting most patents, the micro inductor on silicon one.

    I'm guessing from a patent search its this one, although it seems to pop up as 1999,2000,2002, with minor variations.
    http://www.google.com/patents/US5884990

    Let identify what the invention is there. Perhaps it's coils on silicon? That way of fabricating the microcoil looks clever? Nope, that's Texas Instruments from 1973
    www.google.com/patents/US3881244

    So what did they invent there? Buggered if I know, seems to be laying them out in a loop so they occupy smaller space on the die?

    "I am not about to search for IBMs patents and then tell you where there are used"
    If you're not prepared to search patents, just search Slashdot

    http://slashdot.org/story/10/11/25/0416208/coder-accuses-ibm-of-patenting-his-work
    Man creates heapcheck lib to guard against heap overflow attacks, IBM patents his work IN AN OS. As if bundling in the OS actually constitutes an inventive step.

    http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/01/10/1450255/ibm-snags-patent-on-half-day-off-of-work-notifications
    IBM patents 'portion of a day' busy notifications. (seriously USPTO, seriously?)

    http://idle.slashdot.org/story/09/12/30/166220/uspto-awards-lol-patent-to-ibm
    IBM patents LOLs, seriously???

    They're a troll, they patent derivations of others inventions and keep re-patenting them with minor tweaks, they are the worlds biggest patent troll. A cleverly marketed on, I'll give you that, but a troll nevertheless.

    1. Re:OK, I'll help you by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      Can we get a -1 : Batshit insane(ly jealous)?

  22. What A Load Of Bull by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If all software were made as clunky and bloated as typical M$ software, we would not have smart phones that last longer than one hour, we would not have lightning fast search engines.

    If we would use lead to make A380s, one aircraft could fly every other week; propelled by Saturn V engines. But who cares ? In the future we will have nuclear engines and we can actually have Lead Planes For Everyone !!!!

    The Logic Of American Waste.

    1. Re:What A Load Of Bull by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think of optimization like a supercar. I can either start replacing bits of the frame with carbon fiber at clever engineering to make it faster/better endurance (fuel effeciency is worth it's weight in gold in a race), or I can use better engineering in the engine to make it better at using less gas and creating more horsepower and torque.

      in computers, there is not much of a point in making the body lighter because you get a much better return on investment by going with engine (hardware) design because it only takes a year or so to get an extra 50 HP from the same size, weight, and cost engine.

  23. Thank you! by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1

    Thank you!

    I don't know how many times I've wanted to read a paper mentioned here that's essentially unavailable.

    I think your method of cut/paste the text strikes a good compromise between giving out the information and preventing unauthorized copy. The information is available to motivated readers, but can't easily dilute the journal's copyright. A truly interested reader could then pay for the actual article from the Journal.

    Keep up the good work, whoever you are.

    1. Re:Thank you! by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I think your method of cut/paste the text strikes a good compromise between giving out the information and preventing unauthorized copy.

      You seriously don't think that copying and pasting the whole text of a work constitutes copyright infringement?

      I'm not a fan of paywalls for research papers, but you can't just magic them away.

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  24. Re:URL for the IBM research paper and press releas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is all that babble about the 'singularity' serious, or just ironic posturing?

    Does MR. 'MC', who posted "The Singluarlity edges closer...", really believe that IBM's efforts are a step towards greater-than-human superintelligence? Or is it like so much zombie-preparation: ironic overemphasis of the dangers for comic effect (with the secondary effect of assuaging real fears about the future-unknown in these somewhat-more-than-usually uncertain times)?

  25. Another amazing breakthrough from IBM... by sethmeisterg · · Score: 1

    ...that'll take another few decades to realize. They're really awesome about tooting their own horns. Execution? Not so much.

  26. Re:IBM will do nothing but patent troll it by overmod · · Score: 1

    Perhaps not, but I CERTAINLY remember what happened to the Peanut in order to satisfy the Displaywriter people. Semantically there is little difference to me who the gatekeepers who restrict development actually call themselves... when the result is suppression of the fruits of applied technology.

  27. obligatory XKCD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://xkcd.com/678/